Re: [talk-ph] Cebu health facilities
Hi Marion, I usually just search in the search box of wiki.openstreetmap.org when I don't know a tag. doctors leads to : amenity=doctors Dental to : amenity=dentist Optometrists to : shop=optician ... browsing the map_features page can also give ideas http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Also keep in mind that pois are sometimes already there on areas or buildings, and do not always need to be on nodes. Cheers, Totor --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Marion Singleton wrote: From: Marion Singleton Subject: [talk-ph] Cebu health facilities To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 3:04 PM Hello I am new to this group. I am currently personlly surveying health facilities in the Cebu, Mandaue and Consolacion area of Cebu Province for my own needs. I am a newbie at adding points to the database. I have come across some of the following different types of places both public and private: Doctor offices Dental offices OptometristsPrivate clinics with and without emergency facilities Public clinics with and without emergency facilitiesHospitalsTreatment centersBirthing Centers Diagnostic test centers Health care training facilities and schools I am sure this is not an exhaustive list. What I need to know is how should each be identified on the map. What codes should I use to enter each one. I have only been using the simplest methods so far but I think it is important to differentiate to help the user find what they need. I would like to discuss this with someone very knowledgeable in this area before starting to enter the data. Please contact me here. Marion Singleton aka Bossfish -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Cebu health facilities
Hi Marion I'm no expert either, but generally the OSM wiki is a good place to start: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital It gives useful guidelines like Hospital is bigger than Clinic. Clinic is bigger than Doctor, and it also answers your query about emergency services: amenity=clinic name=Cebu Wellness Center emergency=yes|no You should be able to get most of the info from there. At the end of the day, OSM is a consensus of users, so if you feel strongly that other tags should be used, or don't fit your needs, then you can argue your case on the mailing lists. Jim Marion Singleton wrote, On Friday, 01 February, 2013 11:04 PM: Hello I am new to this group. I am currently personlly surveying health facilities in the Cebu, Mandaue and Consolacion area of Cebu Province for my own needs. I am a newbie at adding points to the database. I have come across some of the following different types of places both public and private: 1. Doctor offices 2. Dental offices 3. Optometrists 4. Private clinics with and without emergency facilities 5. Public clinics with and without emergency facilities 6. Hospitals 7. Treatment centers 8. Birthing Centers 9. Diagnostic test centers 10. Health care training facilities and schools I am sure this is not an exhaustive list. What I need to know is how should each be identified on the map. What codes should I use to enter each one. I have only been using the simplest methods so far but I think it is important to differentiate to help the user find what they need. I would like to discuss this with someone very knowledgeable in this area before starting to enter the data. Please contact me here. Marion Singleton aka Bossfish ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On 01.02.2013 22:07, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: The verb 'to geocode' is generic English language word and I'll stand by that even if a US court decides otherwise. +1 And there was also mentioned that tradmark was rejected in EU. Additionally: if i search for the some information in the WWW I always found the trademark for GEOCODE in all capital letters. = a question to all experts: does this matter? I guess so... http://trademark.markify.com/trademarks/wipo/geocode/1131057 http://socialmedia.trademarkia.com/socialmedia/username-geocode-78663072.htm http://www.trademarks411.com/marks/78663072-geocode ...even if I search at the USPTO directly: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=tocstate=4009%3A48lrkt.1.1p_search=searchssp_L=50BackReference=p_plural=yesp_s_PARA1=p_tagrepl~%3A=PARA1%24LDexpr=PARA1+AND+PARA2p_s_PARA2=GEOCODEp_tagrepl~%3A=PARA2%24COMBp_op_ALL=ANDa_default=searcha_search=Submit+Querya_search=Submit+Query Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
From: Ilya Zverev [mailto:zve...@textual.ru] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue Hi. Since no one has explained, I'd quote a part from OSMF Board Meeting Minutes: OSMF received C+D letter from someone who trademarked the word “Geocode(TM)” and asks us to remove all references to this from our web site where it is connected in some way with Google services. Simon is in contact with a lawyer about this. We might actually remove the few occurrences because they are not essential to us. So, you can still use geocode as a word. But you cannot, as it seems, use it in relation with Google services. That is, no geocode using google and such. That's why some links to Google Maps were removed. I don't know about Nominatim, especially MapQuest's Nominatim, but to be on a safe side, better use search. And if you don't mention any services, you can use that word freely, as in now having parsed coordinates, do the reverse geocoding to aquire their human-readable locations. After all, the wikipedia page for Geocoding doesn't mention any trademarks (although it has Google Maps as its first reference). I have no more information than what's publically available but my bet is that the trademark owner is going after Google. Without any more detail than what has been released it's hard to say, but I quite understand if the board is holding off on releasing more details until after they get more legal advice. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On 02/01/2013 04:22 PM, Simon Poole wrote: Please address any questions on the matter to me by e-mail and not to the list. Why? Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that if the OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki, the solution, for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server that's not paid for by the OSMF. I'm positive finding such a server wouldn't be difficult (in fact the home page says it is hosted at UCL ByteMark -- so if the OSMF is neither hosting nor writing the content, should it accept the C+D? The admins *are* OSMF members, but they're not OSMF). The OSMF has at some point started assuming responsibility for what is being published in the database and now on the wiki. In the case of the database it makes sense for someone to give some level of warranty that the data in it in fact is legally usable, although the consequences of this step have had a terrible effect on the map and the community so far. +100 Current situation is getting silly to the point that I'm seriously considering abandoning this project and leaving history tab, vector tiles and my other projects unfinished just to have peace of mind and work in a sane project with sane organization behind it like KDE. On one hand OSMF is telling us they don't want any strategic planning and involvement, on the other they are redacting and editing data and wiki. And this is possible mostly because what Andrzej said - that they host the servers (which I am personally grateful for - to the admins - no to people who use it for political bullshit like this). This is NOT how a project should work and you will only discourage people by doing such stunts. Either finally get your act together and prepare a proper organization like KDE e.v (http://ev.kde.org/) or get out of the project and leave it be. There is still plenty of energy that will fill the void after you (I'm talking to OSMF). Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On Friday, February 1, 2013, Simon Poole wrote: If you find use of the term “geocode” on our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic term (for example search), or report it to my e-mail address. Hey Simon - I find this hard to believe. Can you confirm that OSMF was requested to entirely cease the use of the term 'geocode' in any of its properties? If that's the case, I wonder how much legal ground this has. Even if it was sadly possible for someone to trademark an everyday term it seems we should be able to use it in documentation like the wiki, in help forums, in a blog article, etc. Can you publish the notice? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
+1 to many responses in this thread. I'm in favour of a bit more centralized steering of OSM. Not only by OSMF, but also by other people (within and outside working groups) who will put a bit more coordinated energy in thinking about strenghts, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. Like addressing this threat: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2012-December/001951.html And luckily the board acts on this (source: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19wLhnezowHBio9zGaJkNaCbDX-gmWNHUSdx1kdQJYY0/edit# ): *The board resolves to strengthen the OSMF position with respect to its intellectual property, in particular trade and service marks. The board requests the Chairman to engage suitable, cost effective, legal support to a) register the OpenStreetMap mark and logo in the USA, if not possible as separate marks, as a combined mark. b) register the same in any other territories key to the further development of OSM (example: Russia) c) the same as for any other potentially valuable marks (including registration in the EU) d) to complete the transfer of the EU OpenStreetMap mark to the OSMF * It would be unimaginable if we couldn't use the word Openstreetmap anymore in the Wiki, because someone in some state on this globe trademarks it :-) I also believe it's simply not always possible to have 100% transparancy, so I like Simon's offer to address him personally. Let's act on these kind of threats (go on with that, OSMF), and let's act on other important things for the future of OSM, with a bit more coordination. Cheers, Johan 2013/2/2 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com On Friday, February 1, 2013, Simon Poole wrote: If you find use of the term “geocode” on our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic term (for example search), or report it to my e-mail address. Hey Simon - I find this hard to believe. Can you confirm that OSMF was requested to entirely cease the use of the term 'geocode' in any of its properties? If that's the case, I wonder how much legal ground this has. Even if it was sadly possible for someone to trademark an everyday term it seems we should be able to use it in documentation like the wiki, in help forums, in a blog article, etc. Can you publish the notice? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On 02/02/2013 02:38 PM, Ed Loach wrote: As far as I can see, OSMF Ltd is very like KDE ev; compare http://blog.osmfoundation.org/about/ and http://ev.kde.org/whatiskdeev.php Legal status is the least of what I meant. Compare what OSMF does with this quarterly report from the KDE foundation: http://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-quarterly-2012_Q3.pdf Not only is all this stuff happening but they also have people who prepare such a nice quarterly report. Also note fund raising efforts, expenses and donations, partners, new members etc. This is an organization that actually supports the community in their efforts. And they are not evil in doing that. What can be done to steer OSMF into that direction? Can it be even done at this point? Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store
yes; http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Cool, getting my iPhone next week, so can't wait to try it out! Is it listed on the OSM wiki yet? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I'd like to highly recommend a brand-new, native, and free* iOS OSM editor: Go Map!! https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=592990211mt=8 The author is a member of the Seattle OSM community, so I'm biased, but I think it rocks. Regards, Jeff * as in free beer! -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 osm: Historical OSM / my OSM user page t: @GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Wiki documentation on GPS devices - please help answer some questions
Hi Rob As a UK countryside mapper using a Blumax and Garmin 62s and JOSM I'd make the following comments: At this time my personal answer would be almost anywhere (path, tracks, roads etc. etc.). I also understand that the accuracy of the GPS trace will vary with time due to the position of the satellites (particularly when you're in a valley or on the side of a slope and I guess the same goes for when your in an urban environment.) so recording the same route repeatedly at different times would also be helpful. When editing having more gps traces certainly gives you greater confidence when drawing and/or adjusting elements. I suspect the answer to the use of phones, tablets etc is it depends on where/when you're mapping and how good the reception and therefore accuracy is. I always assumed the 62s would have better accuracy with an external aerial but experience shows that this isn't always the case and sometimes the Blumax, with its internal aerial is better. My suggestion would be just to encourage people to record and upload gps tracks rather than make any recommendations. I would also add that the section on PDOP is rather technical for a newbie. Perhaps this could be moved to a separate wiki page and the answer to the question changed to be more general. If your GPS has a display then this is more likely to be given as a distance. I must admit I never bother with this and generally leave determining the accuracy to when I use the traces for editing. However this only works if you already have map features of other gps traces. If the trace looks awful in the editor then I also wouldn't upload it. This work with JOSM but I don't know how this practice would fit with other editors. The section in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy is a much better answer to this question but even this could do with some diagrams to go with the text. I don't know what the rules are about moving or duplicating content on the wiki but as a newbie this is much more useful that PDOP. I get the impression that satellite numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ConstellationGPS.gif) and positioning in the sky is a bigger issue than multipath reflection but might be wrong. Apparently the latter is less of an issue when moving quickly in a car. Something to be added to the section on the in vehicles section? I use the BT747 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BT747) application for talking to the Blumax and converting traces to GPX format. Hopefully others will comment as it is good to see these pages being updated and make more user friendly for newbies. Kind Regards Dudley Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:54:16 + From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org; newb...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-newbies] Wiki documentation on GPS devices - please help answer some questions Hi All, I have been updating the wiki pages about recording, converting and uploading GPS tracks. My aim is to have these 3 pages (record, convert, upload) acting as a nice guide. == Progress so far == 1. I updated the Upload page [1] to bring it up to date with the fact that GPS data is just one part of the picture. The original page was from a time when aerial imagery and other data sources were not available. I also moved FAQ questions to this page. 2. I rewrote the Making GPX Tracks tool to include the fantastic online conversion tool at GPSVisualizer.com (no need to confuse people with GPSBabel software). A simple how to for conversion is now prominent at the top of the page. Technical details at the bottom. == Current project - Where I need your help == 3. I have started to update the page on recording GPS tracks [3]. This is where I need your help. There are some obvious questions that should be addressed on this page: * Can I use a iPhone / Android phone? What is the accuracy like? Which Apps are best? * Where should I record tacks? If the answer is anywhere, then where would you recommend I focus my attention (e.g. rural roads)? Is this the same globally? What should the page say in regard to these questions? All thoughts welcome. == Future == Really the page titles should be updated to Recording GPS traces, Converting GPS traces and Uploading GPS traces. How do I move the pages without messing up the language stuff? Is it possible to mass move all translations at the same time? Regards, RobJN [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Upload [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Making_GPX_Tracks [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Recording_GPS_tracks ___ newbies mailing list newb...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
I've taken the time and at least on more or less current pages have redone the edits with a bit a finer brush, essentially with a very small number of exceptions there should be no noticeable impact on actual content now. I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we can release the CD, but IMHO it is unlikely. Further I know that the statement has caused some unease and questions about problematic/unproblematic use of the term in question and the scope of our request to refrain from using it, I will again see if we can issue a clarifying statement on that. Simon Am 01.02.2013 19:41, schrieb Simon Poole: Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite rough, however most (as in all except a handful) of the links were either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which should have been deleted years ago. Naturally you can add back sanitized links, however I would in general question why we would want to use google data in our own documentation in the first place (that is naturally a different discussion). As for the rest Jeff Meyer has summarized it nicely. Simon Am 01.02.2013 18:57, schrieb Ilya Zverev: Hi. Regardless of that trademark business, I've checked Simon's edits and they mostly consist of removing links to google maps, which contain empty geocode parameter and them (and many other redundant parameters that editors didn't bother to omit). Some of the edits are quite funny, for example, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Essex_Waydiff=prevoldid=861689 (removed a link to display kml with google maps). I cannot understand why links to google maps have become prohibited in our wiki, but there are probably one or two meaningful edits and lots of what can be called vandalism. For example, cleaning Copyright Easter Eggs pages from links to mentioned easter eggs. So, I vote for 1) reverting all those edits; 2) explaining in detail what is prohibited (what words, which links etc.) and what is not; 3) editing wiki more thoroughly, so every edit could be understood. IZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Simon Poole si...@osmfoundation.org wrote: If you find use of the term “geocode” on our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic term (for example search), or report it to my e-mail address. Hey Simon - I find this hard to believe. Can you confirm that OSMF was requested to entirely cease the use of the term 'geocode' in any of its properties? If that's the case, I wonder how much legal ground this has. Even if it was sadly possible for someone to trademark an everyday term it seems we should be able to use it in documentation like the wiki, in help forums, in a blog article, etc. Can you publish the notice? Both the use of the term “geocode” and the use of the Google API are merely incidental to us. Doing without them does not in any way impact the core goals or operation of OSM. Please address any questions on the matter to me by e-mail and not to the list. Thank you Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 04:45:56PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we can release the CD, but IMHO it is unlikely. Further I know that the statement has caused some Come on. That's rediculous. What's this? A secret government order? What do you fear will happen if you publish it? Thousands of CD letters have been published on http://www.chillingeffects.org/ . What makes you think that this one is so special that you can't do that? Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On 02/01/2013 07:47 PM, f.dos.san...@free.fr wrote: It's here : https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/19wLhnezowHBio9zGaJkNaCbDX-gmWNHUSdx1kdQJYY0/edit /Cease+Desist letter Geocode(TM)/ /OSMF received C+D letter from someone who trademarked the word Geocode(TM) and asks us to remove all references to this from our web site where it is connected in some way with Google services. Simon is in contact with a lawyer about this. We might actually remove the few occurrences because they are not essential to us./ Is a cease desist letter all it takes for the OSMF to cave in to silly demands from random parties ? Can't we at least make a symbolic stand and let the aggressor escalate before we capitulate ? From a purely material point of view, that would be cheap publicity for the project. I thought that a free software project such as Openstreetmap (yes - geographic data is software too) would have, out of its principles, shown a stronger backbone under such disgusting pressure. I am disappointed. The OSMF board's action are the precautionary measures that best protect the interests of the Openstreetmap project in the strictest sense and in the short term. But while we may acknowledge the wisdom of precaution before rash reaction, do we really want to project the image of a project that can be so easily pushed around ? Is that in our best interests ? And more important : are those the actions that best foster the spirit embodied by a project whose members have a strong interest in protecting the commons. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
was: geocoding trademark thread I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? And, to an even more relevant issue: how many people like Paweł show up on the doorstep and don't bother engaging for the same reasons he mentions? There's a group working in parallel to put together a strategic plan, in the absence of one, but doing this without leadership and support from the top can be problematic. And, no, saying, That's great, go for it, isn't really support. I hope Paweł doesn't leave, but I cannot blame him for feeling the way he feels. His points are on target. Are there any plans in place for OSMF to address these types of questions by SotM 2013? - Jeff -- Forwarded message -- From: Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue To: talk@openstreetmap.org On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that if the OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki, the solution, for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server that's not paid for by the OSMF. I'm positive finding such a server wouldn't be difficult (in fact the home page says it is hosted at UCL ByteMark -- so if the OSMF is neither hosting nor writing the content, should it accept the C+D? The admins *are* OSMF members, but they're not OSMF). The OSMF has at some point started assuming responsibility for what is being published in the database and now on the wiki. In the case of the database it makes sense for someone to give some level of warranty that the data in it in fact is legally usable, although the consequences of this step have had a terrible effect on the map and the community so far. +100 Current situation is getting silly to the point that I'm seriously considering abandoning this project and leaving history tab, vector tiles and my other projects unfinished just to have peace of mind and work in a sane project with sane organization behind it like KDE. On one hand OSMF is telling us they don't want any strategic planning and involvement, on the other they are redacting and editing data and wiki. And this is possible mostly because what Andrzej said - that they host the servers (which I am personally grateful for - to the admins - no to people who use it for political bullshit like this). This is NOT how a project should work and you will only discourage people by doing such stunts. Either finally get your act together and prepare a proper organization like KDE e.v (http://ev.kde.org/) or get out of the project and leave it be. There is still plenty of energy that will fill the void after you (I'm talking to OSMF). Paweł -- Forwarded message -- From: Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue To: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org On 02/02/2013 02:38 PM, Ed Loach wrote: As far as I can see, OSMF Ltd is very like KDE ev; compare http://blog.osmfoundation.org/**about/http://blog.osmfoundation.org/about/ and http://ev.kde.org/whatiskdeev.**php http://ev.kde.org/whatiskdeev.php Legal status is the least of what I meant. Compare what OSMF does with this quarterly report from the KDE foundation: http://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-**quarterly-2012_Q3.pdfhttp://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-quarterly-2012_Q3.pdf Not only is all this stuff happening but they also have people who prepare such a nice quarterly report. Also note fund raising efforts, expenses and donations, partners, new members etc. This is an organization that actually supports the community in their efforts. And they are not evil in doing that. What can be done to steer OSMF into that direction? Can it be even done at this point? Paweł -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Hi all, hi Simon, I tried to wait a day and think about what's been written and to calm down about this unspeakable issue. But I can't stop myself from replying. I don't mind about the word/trademark GEOCODE, nor do I mind about your wiki changes. But what makes me furious is your/the OSMF's handling of a community project. Simon Poole wrote: Please address any questions on the matter to me by e-mail and not to the list. It is unacceptable that an issue like this is/should be processed in a private manner when in fact everyone in the community is concerned. Second, I'd like to see the CD. As a matter of course this should be the first thing that happens: Publish the CD before any other actions are taken, even before you contact a laywer. I'm really disappointed and angry about this issue. What happens here is not the understanding of a *community project* I have. I'd like the OSMF to become more democratic and community based. It should be the mappers that decide and be able to decide (and thereby I don't mean voting some members every few years) and not the board. Therefore, it would be a great start if OSMF members could file a motion that has to be decided on (mine would be to publish the CD ;)). I also still hope, Frederik will give a statement in this thread, too. Peda -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Jochen123 wrote On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 04:45:56PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we can release the CD, but IMHO it is unlikely. Further I know that the statement has caused some Come on. That's rediculous. What's this? A secret government order? What do you fear will happen if you publish it? If I am not mistaken, non of the OSMF board are lawyers. So it is not really in their realm of expertise to know what will happen legally. However, it is clear that one wrong move in these legal battles has the potential for serious consequences either for the individual or OSM(F) as a whole. So it makes absolute sense that the OSMF board first consults with legal counsel to be on the safe side! After all, once something is published on the internet you can't take it back if it turns out to be a mistake. That said, I very much hope that the letter can be published so that more people can judge its consequences and for OSM to possibly get some sympathy PR out of it, as it does seem ridiculous that they would try and forbid the use of the term geocoding (btw, is it just one spelling that is trademarked and e.g. geo-coding or geo coding ist fine?). But then if you look at the fact that e.g. Apple has seemingly managed to design-patent a device with round edges or that Deutsche Telekom tried to defend a trademark on the generic colour magenta (which apparently cost a 4 man start-up over 60.000 EUR in legal fees to defend against and if they had lost would have cost them in the range of a million EURs), it is clear that this area of law is illogical, insane and an absolute mine field! Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Recent-edits-in-the-wiki-Trademark-issue-tp5747591p5747775.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote Is a cease desist letter all it takes for the OSMF to cave in to silly demands from random parties ? Can't we at least make a symbolic stand and let the aggressor escalate before we capitulate ? From a purely material point of view, that would be cheap publicity for the project. I thought that a free software project such as Openstreetmap (yes - geographic data is software too) would have, out of its principles, shown a stronger backbone under such disgusting pressure. I am disappointed. Do you really want the OSMF to gamble all of OSM's server infrastructure and other resources on a random legal battle about a possibly invalid trademark? Particularly without first a thorough due diligence of getting qualified legal advice from their counsel? These trademark issues seem have the potential to quickly escalate to $100.000s of dollars in cost. Either for legal fees or for damage fees if one looses. That is more or at least on the order of the entire assets of the OSMF. Is it really worth that risk to show a stronger backbone? Particularly as it isn't impossible to first comply and then if after thorough consideration or due to negotiations with the originator the matter is resolved reinstate those changes. So far I have seen no changes that actually negatively impact the project in any real way other than for ideological reasons. So complying in the short term doesn't seem to be an immediate problem. That said, I do hope the board will work intensely together with legal counsel and the rest of the community to find a way to dismiss these seemingly ridiculous claims (although I don't yet understand what exactly the issue is or what the CD actually covers). Given the genericness of the term geocode, I would assume that a number of larger companies might equally be effected who have much more resources than OSMF to defend against these claims. Or a another question is what is different about the use in OSM that they specifically targeted the OSMF? Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Recent-edits-in-the-wiki-Trademark-issue-tp5747591p574.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On 02/02/2013 07:41 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: There's a group working in parallel to put together a strategic plan, in the absence of one, but doing this without leadership and support from the top can be problematic. Couple of people have mentioned the Strategic Working Group[1] to me in the last few days when I ran the idea by them. It seems to be an ideal platform for this kind of effort. It looks like SWG has been inactive for quite a while now: * Last meeting minutes are from December 2011 [2] * Last mailing list thread is from September 2012 [3] I am not sure what are the reasons of this inactivity, whether it is intentional (OSMF does not want to set the agenda for the future) or people just don't have the time/energy but regardless of that it looks like the right place to discuss further. The initiative that Jeff mentioned is in very early stages, basically few people got together via e-mail after one of those recent OSM Future Look threads and we came up with an idea to start a more structured brainstorming. I think it should be revealed soon how to participate and what this is exactly. The most interesting challenge is of course moving from talking to action, we have some ideas how to avoid degenerating into another talking initiative. Involving OSMF in some capacity would be another idea to give the initiative more momentum. [1] http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Strategic_Working_Group [2] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes#Strategic_Working_Group [3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/strategic/ Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
For what it's worth, I agree with Jeff and Paweł on this. If OSMF is going to be a big, beautiful mess it should own that and publish the CD for everyone to see. Anarchists gonna anarchate. If on the other hand we want strong leadership that can handle a trademark dispute on its own, then we're missing a lot of what leadership is about: clear communication, visible power structure, authority figures who can speak on behalf of the organization, draw fire, and so on. Does the board want to be a board? -mike. On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Jeff Meyer wrote: was: geocoding trademark thread I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? And, to an even more relevant issue: how many people like Paweł show up on the doorstep and don't bother engaging for the same reasons he mentions? There's a group working in parallel to put together a strategic plan, in the absence of one, but doing this without leadership and support from the top can be problematic. And, no, saying, That's great, go for it, isn't really support. I hope Paweł doesn't leave, but I cannot blame him for feeling the way he feels. His points are on target. Are there any plans in place for OSMF to address these types of questions by SotM 2013? - Jeff -- Forwarded message -- From: Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue To: talk@openstreetmap.org On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that if the OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki, the solution, for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server that's not paid for by the OSMF. I'm positive finding such a server wouldn't be difficult (in fact the home page says it is hosted at UCL ByteMark -- so if the OSMF is neither hosting nor writing the content, should it accept the C+D? The admins *are* OSMF members, but they're not OSMF). The OSMF has at some point started assuming responsibility for what is being published in the database and now on the wiki. In the case of the database it makes sense for someone to give some level of warranty that the data in it in fact is legally usable, although the consequences of this step have had a terrible effect on the map and the community so far. +100 Current situation is getting silly to the point that I'm seriously considering abandoning this project and leaving history tab, vector tiles and my other projects unfinished just to have peace of mind and work in a sane project with sane organization behind it like KDE. On one hand OSMF is telling us they don't want any strategic planning and involvement, on the other they are redacting and editing data and wiki. And this is possible mostly because what Andrzej said - that they host the servers (which I am personally grateful for - to the admins - no to people who use it for political bullshit like this). This is NOT how a project should work and you will only discourage people by doing such stunts. Either finally get your act together and prepare a proper organization like KDE e.v (http://ev.kde.org/) or get out of the project and leave it be. There is still plenty of energy that will fill the void after you (I'm talking to OSMF). Paweł -- Forwarded message -- From: Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue To: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org On 02/02/2013 02:38 PM, Ed Loach wrote: As far as I can see, OSMF Ltd is very like KDE ev; compare http://blog.osmfoundation.org/about/ and http://ev.kde.org/whatiskdeev.php Legal status is the least of what I meant. Compare what OSMF does with this quarterly report from the KDE foundation: http://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-quarterly-2012_Q3.pdf Not only is all this stuff happening but they also have people who prepare such a nice quarterly report. Also note fund raising efforts, expenses and donations, partners, new members etc. This is an organization that actually supports the community in their efforts. And they are not evil in doing that. What can be done to steer OSMF into that direction? Can it be even done at this point? Paweł -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 osm: Historical OSM / my OSM user page t: @GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On 02/02/2013 19:55, Michal Migurski wrote: For what it's worth, I agree with Jeff and Paweł on this. If OSMF is going to be a big, beautiful mess it should own that and publish the CD for everyone to see. Anarchists gonna anarchate. If on the other hand we want strong leadership that can handle a trademark dispute on its own, then we're missing a lot of what leadership is about: clear communication, visible power structure, authority figures who can speak on behalf of the organization, draw fire, and so on. Does the board want to be a board? -mike. Heck, I'll step up to the board and reply on their behalf if they're all too scared to do so. Publishing a Cease Desist notice isn't illegal - ChillingEffects should be evidence enough of this. It would be in the best interests of demystifying this whole debacle if the notice was published immediately, prominently and in full on the OSM web site. Personally I also wonder as to the legal legitimacy of this CD, particularly when it emanates from America and is on behalf of an American company whose CTM application was (as has been well noted) refused in the EU on absolute grounds (the genericism of geocode). As far as I can see, Geocode Inc.'s request has absolutely no legal weight in the EU. Personally I would have politely acknowledged receipt of the original CD, noted their request and replied with we kindly refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram. This whole thing is quickly becoming borderline ridiculous. We should't be afeared of some marauding American company with the mistaken belief that they have exclusive rights to a term even outside of their trade mark's jurisdiction. They can fly over here and pursue the matter in an English court if it so concerns them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D, didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a sign of weak leadership to ask for legal advise in a case that can be as hairy as trademark and copyright issues. Not that I support trademarking dictionary words, but obviously somebody do, and some patent authorities accept. OSMF need to thread correctly into this matter, and temporarily removing potentially material is one of the steps. As far as I can see, none of SimonPoole's edits are actually redacting the matter in question, his edits are more a first response, like a we have recieved your notice and prepare ourself for action. If this case turns toxic maybe SimonPoole will have to redact the edits with the contaminated trademark, let us hope it never comes to that. Let us all also work together in this case to show support to OSM and OSMF and do what can be done to undermine the claims from the issuer of the C+D in such a way that any court cases will tip in favour of OSM continuing what we always have done. I would very much like to see the C+D myself as I find the claims (as far as I have understood from the information already leaked) totally unacceptable, but have put myself with patience, at least until SimonPoole and OSMF have had time to get a formal advise from any legal partner. Aun Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
You might think that OSMF is not being transparent enough at this point. I think we'll learn more in time. I've gone into detail on my blog if you want more words. :-) But, looking at the CD as a negotiation, it would be foolish to discuss settlement terms in advance in public. For example, if OSMF as a settlement were to decide, we'll ask the person for $1 million to settle this, but we'll take $200,000 at the low end, well, that would be silly. You've just told the other side to offer 200k as a counter. So some of this will stay less-transparent, at least for a while. Many more words on my site, about litigation and trade marks in general. http://weait.com/trade-mark-2 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] STFU
Maybe a few of you braver than the brave, loud-mouthed, armchair lawyers should just STFU and give the board a break. When some of you have had as much abuse and hassle in an unpaid job they volunteered for, in their spare time, maybe then you would understand how hard it is to please all of the people all of the time. Impossible is the answer. *IF* mistakes have been made, then they are honest mistakes made by volunteers who stepped up to the mark to try to make OSM better. *IF* mistakes have been made, AFAIK no real harm has been done. The worst damage so far is to the pompous, over-sensitive We Must Know Everything brigade who feel offended because they have not been informed of every breath drawn. To them I say: Grow Up. An Open community doesn't mean getting an email, text, tweet and personal letter every time something happens. That's why we have a board - to deal with stuff. To the board I say, do your best guys and thank you very much for what you do and how you do it. Don't be tempted to pick up the toys thrown out of prams by a small group of people. That mistake was made during licence-change and it just caused more upset. You were elected for a term (at least) to do your best, so do it and good luck. Threats to leave the project remind me of the bullshit thrown around during licence-change when hardly anyone actually had the balls to follow through. If people are so unhappy then go, but do so quickly and quietly and leave the people really interested in OSM to continue making the very best map database we can. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
I'm not a lawyer with experience in this area, so for me it would make no sense to take a look at the CD at this moment. If there's such a lawyer among the readers of this list or in our related friends/family, he/she can advice the OSMF board directly with the needed level of professional advice. And maybe such an advice would be that we shouldn't fight, but let others with more money do the fight. Let OSMF move on to protect the use of the word and logo Openstreetmap. And let us help OSMF in that to look out for malicious people who want to abuse our logo and name somewhere in this world. Cheers, Johan 2013/2/2 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com You might think that OSMF is not being transparent enough at this point. I think we'll learn more in time. I've gone into detail on my blog if you want more words. :-) But, looking at the CD as a negotiation, it would be foolish to discuss settlement terms in advance in public. For example, if OSMF as a settlement were to decide, we'll ask the person for $1 million to settle this, but we'll take $200,000 at the low end, well, that would be silly. You've just told the other side to offer 200k as a counter. So some of this will stay less-transparent, at least for a while. Many more words on my site, about litigation and trade marks in general. http://weait.com/trade-mark-2 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
On 02/02/2013 10:23 PM, Chris Hill wrote: Threats to leave the project remind me of the bullshit thrown around during licence-change when hardly anyone actually had the balls to follow through. If people are so unhappy then go, but do so quickly and quietly and leave the people really interested in OSM to continue making the very best map database we can. So you don't acknowledge that there are people (like me) who are really interested in OSM and same time they are discouraged by a situation like this and are considering leaving the project? By your logic either everyone has to STFU and agree with the actions of OSMF or they have to leave the project because they are not really interested in OSM. Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D, didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a sign of weak leadership to ask for legal advise in a case that can be as hairy as trademark and copyright issues. I'm extremely interested to see what in the notice specifies that the TM holder believes that they can pursue and control usage when mentioned in proximity of Google services. It's such a risible request. That's what makes this delay so frustrating for the community as a whole! Those of us in favour of publication are hardly 'screaming' for it. (This includes all the 'armchair lawyers' and some of us who have some real world experience dealing with the wonderful world of US and Community TMs including disputing, filing and applying for invalidity). Community members are requesting it as it impacts upon work they do, there's no real reason to withhold the text of the notice. OSMF has no real requirement to seek legal guidance prior to first publication, this can be sought after initial acknowledgment of receipt, tailoring their action accordingly. Redacting or editing directly as a result of simply receiving a CD is not an ideal first step. Does OSM consider itself to be in breach of something discussed in the CD or that it has actually done something wrong? I unequivocally believe the opposite to be true - and that Geocode Inc. is misrepresenting the situation. Not that I support trademarking dictionary words, but obviously somebody do, and some patent authorities accept. OSMF need to thread correctly into this matter, and temporarily removing potentially material is one of the steps. As far as I can see, none of SimonPoole's edits are actually redacting the matter in question, his edits are more a first response, like a we have recieved your notice and prepare ourself for action. If this case turns toxic maybe SimonPoole will have to redact the edits with the contaminated trademark, let us hope it never comes to that. The USPTO's mark awards have no jurisdiction outside of the States. Geocode Inc.'s CTM was 'absolutely refused' on grounds of genericism (prior art, if you will), by OHIM. This is an open-and-shut case! Let us all also work together in this case to show support to OSM and OSMF and do what can be done to undermine the claims from the issuer of the C+D in such a way that any court cases will tip in favour of OSM continuing what we always have done. I like most others support the OSMF's contribution to the mapping projects. OSM has made great progress over the past few years. There's no need to do anything to undermine the issuer's claims, they undermine themselves if they claim trade mark authority in Europe when no such authority exists. To fully protect their reg mark, Geocode would need to follow the procedures of the Madrid System and apply for an International TM to cover ~70 territories where they wish to protect the mark (including the USA). OHIM handle Community Trade Marks for the EU (you can still register a mark solely for the UK without it covering the EU which is what it looks like Geocode tried to do). With it costing 600 Euros just to renew a CTM for ten years, I expect they don't think it's worth their while to file for an International trade mark... Given their existing refusal it's reasonable to assume they'd never get it. Geocode are trade mark trolling! I would very much like to see the C+D myself as I find the claims (as far as I have understood from the information already leaked) totally unacceptable, but have put myself with patience, at least until SimonPoole and OSMF have had time to get a formal advise from any legal partner. Without seeing the specifics of the CD (and now we're talking in circles), I still believe that any legal counsel worth their salt would instruct OSMF to refer Geocode to the response in Arkell v. Pressdram. I'm willing to stake five of the Queen's English pounds on this ;-) If the legal advice substantially differs, I'll double this £5 then donate to the Foundation's fighting fund, and I'll become a paid-up OSMF member. May still become an OSMF member to vote in the next Board elections. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
On 02/02/13 22:07, Paweł Paprota wrote: On 02/02/2013 10:23 PM, Chris Hill wrote: Threats to leave the project remind me of the bullshit thrown around during licence-change when hardly anyone actually had the balls to follow through. If people are so unhappy then go, but do so quickly and quietly and leave the people really interested in OSM to continue making the very best map database we can. So you don't acknowledge that there are people (like me) who are really interested in OSM and same time they are discouraged by a situation like this and are considering leaving the project? By your logic either everyone has to STFU and agree with the actions of OSMF or they have to leave the project because they are not really interested in OSM. Actually, no, you are twisting my words. The world is not black and white, it is shades of gray. There is a a place where you can care about OSM and disagree with the board, just not abuse and criticise them them for volunteering to do a hard job or threaten to to stop your development work out of spite. Actually, I question just how valuable the work is of someone who uses it to threaten the community with withdrawing it if he is a bit upset. I prefer to see the work given freely without strings attached - that's what I see as what Open means. YMMV. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
On 02/02/2013 22:07, Paweł Paprota wrote: On 02/02/2013 10:23 PM, Chris Hill wrote: Threats to leave the project remind me of the bullshit thrown around during licence-change when hardly anyone actually had the balls to follow through. If people are so unhappy then go, but do so quickly and quietly and leave the people really interested in OSM to continue making the very best map database we can. So you don't acknowledge that there are people (like me) who are really interested in OSM and same time they are discouraged by a situation like this and are considering leaving the project? By your logic either everyone has to STFU and agree with the actions of OSMF or they have to leave the project because they are not really interested in OSM. Paweł Everybody volunteers their time and knowledge but the existence of a board at OSMF doesn't simply mean that some volunteers are now more equal than others. (Organisations frequently rotate through board members.) Thinking about structure, some discussion should be given as to OSMF possibly converting to a co-operative structure - it's the perfect type of organisation to benefit from a co-op arrangement, either an IPS Mutual, BenCom or even workers co-op. People can be nominated to represent the org but ultimately they are answerable to all Members. It can also seek investment and those members can also gain one vote (irrespective of contribution) in company business. As it is, OSMF seems notionally answerable to the greater OSM community after being nominated to oversee its concerns and become custodian of the equipment, run outreach projects, fundraise etc. The board is elected by just 358 paid OSMF members from (we can only assume) the OSM community (of thousands? Tens of thousands?). The work they do is fabulous and contributes to the continuation of OSM but there's still not, that I can see, a sufficiently stable framework in place should this arrangement change. If OSMF decided to function differently, selectively disregard the community or even operate oligarchically as 'benevolent dictators' what could be done? Not much short of an insurrection or establishment of parallel service with a new name as they hold all the cards. A worldwide project deserves membership representation and answerability of the controlling board. My concern here comes from seeing other community organisations torn apart by subsets of nominated people who initially took charge, ran it with some vision, decisiveness but when they got cold feet or wanted a change, the organisation inevitably ran onto the rocks through lack of continuity and attrition. It's often very hard to resurrect a project or organisation once it's ground to a halt. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
Pawel, you are too impatient, at least too impatient for the occasionally glacial pace at which things move in OSM(F). You have been with OSM for about 6 months now if I'm not mistaken, and most of your recent messages (at least most of the messages that reach me) are about how and why you might be leaving. Most people take a bit longer than that! You are also jumping to conclusions (OSMF doesn't want to set agenda for the future) - maybe OSMF simply wants to think it over? The work you've done for OSM is undoubtedly of a high standard, and your history tab prototype was widely acclaimed. I don't want to diminish that effort at all - but I do feel that I need to put in into perspective. There are many others who have, over the years, done much more work that you have, in their spare time, and who haven't after only six months sent lots of emails about having to abandon all their work if OSMF doesn't finally manage to implement strategic planning or so. In fact, for most coders, what OSMF does or doesn't to was quite irrelevant. It seems that in your particular case you see a connection between coding for OSM and the OSMF because ultimately you would like to get paid for your work, and you don't see OSMF paying developers without a strategic plan. Is that reading correct, or do you simply fear that without a strategically planning organisation the OSM project will die and your contributions with it? You have, several times, mentioned KDE e.V. as a good example. I looked at their quarterly report and indeed, personally I would quite approve of OSMF going in that direction. It seems that the KDE people are spending a lot of money to facilitate meetings between volunteer developers, paying for flights and accomodation and such. Of course they are a software development project, whereas in OSM the software development is only one part of several, but still, things like paying for a developer to fly to a code sprint or so sounds like something that would make sense. But even though software development is at the core of the KDE project, KDE e.V. doesn't pay for coding work as far as I can see; their staff is administrative only. Also, KDE e.V. is now 15 years old, the OSMF is 7; you should be looking at KDE e.V. documents from 2005 to make a fair comparison ;) - but even back then they had a nice quarterly report: http://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-quarterly-2005Q3.pdf Finally, I am somewhat puzzled by the connection that you (and also Jeff) seem to make between the perceived lack of planning and the current trademark issue that spawned the thread. You wrote On one hand OSMF is telling us they don't want any strategic planning and involvement, on the other they are redacting and editing data and wiki. And Jeff followed up: I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? In what way would an organisation with great strategic planning, one that is efficient and organised, handle such a trademark issue differently? In how far is the current trademark issue a sign of lack of planning? I really don't get it. Is there a connection between these issues that goes beyond both are issues where the OSMF is criticised by some? Bye Frederik (I am a member of the OSMF board but this is, as always, completely my personal opinion.) -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: And Jeff followed up: I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? In what way would an organisation with great strategic planning, one that is efficient and organised, handle such a trademark issue differently? In how far is the current trademark issue a sign of lack of planning? I really don't get it. Is there a connection between these issues that goes beyond both are issues where the OSMF is criticised by some? Communication is hard, and there are ways to do it that make people feel like they're getting a complete story instead of a confused glimpse through an accidentally-open door. Simon's mail left out a lot of important things, most notably that he's a member of the OSMF Board and that it was an official statement. Dear OSM Contributors, We at the OSM Foundation have recently received a cease desist letter from Geocode, Inc. of Alexandria, Virginia, USA regarding the use of links displaying the Google geocoding service on the wiki. We have consulted with our legal counsel, and they have advised us to remove these links from all OSMF-owned domains. While we believe that Geocode's claims are without merit, we have decided that the potential negative impact of Geocode's actions outweighs the benefits of keeping those links on the wiki. [detailed description of potential negative outcomes]. We will be watching all future edits to the wiki to ensure that new references to the Google geocoding service are not introduced to the site. Editors attempting to add these links will be automatically referred to this message explaining why their edits have been rejected. [link to this message on an OSMF-controlled blog or domain]. We will be responding to Geocode Inc. and contacting Google Inc. to [do whatever happens next]. We apologize for the drastic nature of this action, but we feel that the [detailed description of potential negative outcomes] is an unacceptable risk to the mission of OpenStreetMap, and outweighs the adverse impact of removing the problem links. As a representative of the board on this issue, I will be available to discuss it [on email, IRC, conference call, whatever]. -Sincerely, Joe Q. Boardmember OpenStreetMap Foundation. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
Christopher, On 02.02.2013 23:29, Christopher Woods (IWD) wrote: As it is, OSMF seems notionally answerable to the greater OSM community after being nominated to oversee its concerns and become custodian of the equipment, run outreach projects, fundraise etc. The board is elected by just 358 paid OSMF members from (we can only assume) the OSM community (of thousands? Tens of thousands?). The work they do is fabulous and contributes to the continuation of OSM but there's still not, that I can see, a sufficiently stable framework in place should this arrangement change. The OSMF board discussed this issue at their F2F meeting in Berlin last November (meeting minutes: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_Minutes_2012-11-03). At the meeting we churned through several variations on the topic of who is the community, who is OSMF, who decides etc.etc., and essentially agreed that we would like to actively pursue the goal of getting a greater proportion of the community to become OSMF members so that we achieve a solid and representative democratic footing. I quipped on the glacial pace in another email just now, and this is one of the issues where things haven't progressed too fast; personally I now think it is likely that any grand membership drive activities will happen after this year's SOTM and not before. But this doesn't mean that the goal is abandoned. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Paweł's q: what can be done?
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Finally, I am somewhat puzzled by the connection that you (and also Jeff) seem to make between the perceived lack of planning and the current trademark issue that spawned the thread. I didn't make that connection actually thought they were separate topics, hence I separated the thread. I was more worried about a motivated developer (who had demonstrated his commitment with code) leaving the community because of a perceived absence of leadership than I was about the trademark thing. - Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
On 02/02/2013 23:17, Frederik Ramm wrote: The OSMF board discussed this issue at their F2F meeting in Berlin last November (meeting minutes: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_Minutes_2012-11-03). At the meeting we churned through several variations on the topic of who is the community, who is OSMF, who decides etc.etc., and essentially agreed that we would like to actively pursue the goal of getting a greater proportion of the community to become OSMF members so that we achieve a solid and representative democratic footing. That's encouraging to hear. I haven't kept up with OSMF discussions for a while so it's encouraging to know it's at least on the agenda. Has any more progress been made since the November meeting? I quipped on the glacial pace in another email just now, and this is one of the issues where things haven't progressed too fast; personally I now think it is likely that any grand membership drive activities will happen after this year's SOTM and not before. But this doesn't mean that the goal is abandoned. If I have any knowledge or skills which OSMF would find useful, I'd be happy to contribute to these activities. Cheers Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
Everybody volunteers their time and knowledge but the existence of a board at OSMF doesn't simply mean that some volunteers are now more equal than others. (Organisations frequently rotate through board members.) Thinking about structure, some discussion should be given as to OSMF possibly converting to a co-operative structure - it's the perfect type of organisation to benefit from a co-op arrangement, either an IPS Mutual, BenCom or even workers co-op. People can be nominated to represent the org but ultimately they are answerable to all Members. It can also seek investment and those members can also gain one vote (irrespective of contribution) in company business. As it is, OSMF seems notionally answerable to the greater OSM community after being nominated to oversee its concerns and become custodian of the equipment, run outreach projects, fundraise etc. The board is elected by just 358 paid OSMF members from (we can only assume) the OSM community (of thousands? Tens of thousands?). The work they do is fabulous and contributes to the continuation of OSM but there's still not, that I can see, a sufficiently stable framework in place should this arrangement change. If OSMF decided to function differently, selectively disregard the community or even operate oligarchically as 'benevolent dictators' what could be done? Not much short of an insurrection or establishment of parallel service with a new name as they hold all the cards. A worldwide project deserves membership representation and answerability of the controlling board. My concern here comes from seeing other community organisations torn apart by subsets of nominated people who initially took charge, ran it with some vision, decisiveness but when they got cold feet or wanted a change, the organisation inevitably ran onto the rocks through lack of continuity and attrition. It's often very hard to resurrect a project or organisation once it's ground to a halt. __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk OSM is complex. We do have differing aims and things are not black and white. I took a civil service middle management course once that talked about personalities and management. For simplicity we can split them into type A and type B. Type B's where more likely to achieve their goals, they had lower staff turnover, their staff were happier and where better at handling complex problems. Type A were more forceful but less likely to communicate and seek input. Their projects were more likely to fail. From my computer background the larger the project the higher the failure rate. What is interesting is smaller projects have a higher rate of success. So we can expect projects that are limited in scope to do quite well. Adding a new sort of asset to OSM for example. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_projects is a good example. Perhaps what we need is a newsletter to improve communications? If we are reliant on volunteers then directive counseling or telling them to STFU may not be the most productive way to get the most out of them. Cheerio John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] STFU
I'm interested in OSM. I do mapping. I subscribed to Talk after a few weeks on Newbies, but all these political outcries strongly tempt me to unsubscribe. They don't contribute to the mapping that is presumably our primary interest. On 02/02/2013 5:07 PM, Paweł Paprota wrote: On 02/02/2013 10:23 PM, Chris Hill wrote: Threats to leave the project remind me of the bullshit thrown around during licence-change when hardly anyone actually had the balls to follow through. If people are so unhappy then go, but do so quickly and quietly and leave the people really interested in OSM to continue making the very best map database we can. So you don't acknowledge that there are people (like me) who are really interested in OSM and same time they are discouraged by a situation like this and are considering leaving the project? By your logic either everyone has to STFU and agree with the actions of OSMF or they have to leave the project because they are not really interested in OSM. Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
I support the boards's decisions not only because of being consequent (having elected them democratically) but because of good reasons. Although I worked next to Einstein's office (90 years later after he was at Swiss patent office :-) I'm not a lawyer. But I learned to be cautious when there's a mine - and a nasty dance - field as others stated here before, where lawyers are waiting alongside to make money. I think there is reasonable evidence that not publishing the C+D letter was a wise step to save money and keep options open. For those who want to fight for freedom of speech I suggest to direct your first anger and disappointment to the origin of the such U.S. trademark and copyright wars (like Richard wrote in his blog)! Like Yngve I'd like to suggest to calm down (but still commited), be patient (but still attentive) and save time and money for better reasons - unless you offer more than 5 pounds to a OSM war chest! After all, Simon immediately communicated his actions after the board's decision. Now let's wait what comes next after a lawyer has been consulted. - S. 2013/2/2 Christopher Woods (IWD) chris...@infinitus.co.uk: On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D, didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a sign of weak leadership to ask for legal advise in a case that can be as hairy as trademark and copyright issues. I'm extremely interested to see what in the notice specifies that the TM holder believes that they can pursue and control usage when mentioned in proximity of Google services. It's such a risible request. That's what makes this delay so frustrating for the community as a whole! Those of us in favour of publication are hardly 'screaming' for it. (This includes all the 'armchair lawyers' and some of us who have some real world experience dealing with the wonderful world of US and Community TMs including disputing, filing and applying for invalidity). Community members are requesting it as it impacts upon work they do, there's no real reason to withhold the text of the notice. OSMF has no real requirement to seek legal guidance prior to first publication, this can be sought after initial acknowledgment of receipt, tailoring their action accordingly. Redacting or editing directly as a result of simply receiving a CD is not an ideal first step. Does OSM consider itself to be in breach of something discussed in the CD or that it has actually done something wrong? I unequivocally believe the opposite to be true - and that Geocode Inc. is misrepresenting the situation. Not that I support trademarking dictionary words, but obviously somebody do, and some patent authorities accept. OSMF need to thread correctly into this matter, and temporarily removing potentially material is one of the steps. As far as I can see, none of SimonPoole's edits are actually redacting the matter in question, his edits are more a first response, like a we have recieved your notice and prepare ourself for action. If this case turns toxic maybe SimonPoole will have to redact the edits with the contaminated trademark, let us hope it never comes to that. The USPTO's mark awards have no jurisdiction outside of the States. Geocode Inc.'s CTM was 'absolutely refused' on grounds of genericism (prior art, if you will), by OHIM. This is an open-and-shut case! Let us all also work together in this case to show support to OSM and OSMF and do what can be done to undermine the claims from the issuer of the C+D in such a way that any court cases will tip in favour of OSM continuing what we always have done. I like most others support the OSMF's contribution to the mapping projects. OSM has made great progress over the past few years. There's no need to do anything to undermine the issuer's claims, they undermine themselves if they claim trade mark authority in Europe when no such authority exists. To fully protect their reg mark, Geocode would need to follow the procedures of the Madrid System and apply for an International TM to cover ~70 territories where they wish to protect the mark (including the USA). OHIM handle Community Trade Marks for the EU (you can still register a mark solely for the UK without it covering the EU which is what it looks like Geocode tried to do). With it costing 600 Euros just to renew a CTM for ten years, I expect they don't think it's worth their while to file for an International trade mark... Given their existing refusal it's reasonable to assume they'd never get it. Geocode are trade mark trolling! I would very much like to see the C+D myself as I find the claims (as far as I have understood from the information already leaked) totally unacceptable, but have put myself with patience, at least until SimonPoole and OSMF have
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Just for the curious of this ridiculous U.S. trademark thing: I found another company claiming GEOCODE as trademark: http://www.markhound.com/trademark/search/WbEfGtOgm And I'm wondering what these 65 services will do http://www.programmableweb.com/apitag/geocoding especially TomTom with it's geocode.com domain... Yours, S. 2013/2/3 Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com: I support the boards's decisions not only because of being consequent (having elected them democratically) but because of good reasons. Although I worked next to Einstein's office (90 years later after he was at Swiss patent office :-) I'm not a lawyer. But I learned to be cautious when there's a mine - and a nasty dance - field as others stated here before, where lawyers are waiting alongside to make money. I think there is reasonable evidence that not publishing the C+D letter was a wise step to save money and keep options open. For those who want to fight for freedom of speech I suggest to direct your first anger and disappointment to the origin of the such U.S. trademark and copyright wars (like Richard wrote in his blog)! Like Yngve I'd like to suggest to calm down (but still commited), be patient (but still attentive) and save time and money for better reasons - unless you offer more than 5 pounds to a OSM war chest! After all, Simon immediately communicated his actions after the board's decision. Now let's wait what comes next after a lawyer has been consulted. - S. 2013/2/2 Christopher Woods (IWD) chris...@infinitus.co.uk: On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D, didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a sign of weak leadership to ask for legal advise in a case that can be as hairy as trademark and copyright issues. I'm extremely interested to see what in the notice specifies that the TM holder believes that they can pursue and control usage when mentioned in proximity of Google services. It's such a risible request. That's what makes this delay so frustrating for the community as a whole! Those of us in favour of publication are hardly 'screaming' for it. (This includes all the 'armchair lawyers' and some of us who have some real world experience dealing with the wonderful world of US and Community TMs including disputing, filing and applying for invalidity). Community members are requesting it as it impacts upon work they do, there's no real reason to withhold the text of the notice. OSMF has no real requirement to seek legal guidance prior to first publication, this can be sought after initial acknowledgment of receipt, tailoring their action accordingly. Redacting or editing directly as a result of simply receiving a CD is not an ideal first step. Does OSM consider itself to be in breach of something discussed in the CD or that it has actually done something wrong? I unequivocally believe the opposite to be true - and that Geocode Inc. is misrepresenting the situation. Not that I support trademarking dictionary words, but obviously somebody do, and some patent authorities accept. OSMF need to thread correctly into this matter, and temporarily removing potentially material is one of the steps. As far as I can see, none of SimonPoole's edits are actually redacting the matter in question, his edits are more a first response, like a we have recieved your notice and prepare ourself for action. If this case turns toxic maybe SimonPoole will have to redact the edits with the contaminated trademark, let us hope it never comes to that. The USPTO's mark awards have no jurisdiction outside of the States. Geocode Inc.'s CTM was 'absolutely refused' on grounds of genericism (prior art, if you will), by OHIM. This is an open-and-shut case! Let us all also work together in this case to show support to OSM and OSMF and do what can be done to undermine the claims from the issuer of the C+D in such a way that any court cases will tip in favour of OSM continuing what we always have done. I like most others support the OSMF's contribution to the mapping projects. OSM has made great progress over the past few years. There's no need to do anything to undermine the issuer's claims, they undermine themselves if they claim trade mark authority in Europe when no such authority exists. To fully protect their reg mark, Geocode would need to follow the procedures of the Madrid System and apply for an International TM to cover ~70 territories where they wish to protect the mark (including the USA). OHIM handle Community Trade Marks for the EU (you can still register a mark solely for the UK without it covering the EU which is what it looks like Geocode tried to do). With it costing 600 Euros just to renew a CTM for ten years, I expect they don't think it's worth their while
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http://www.barksnkisses.com/components/com_content/yaid3523.php . El Segundo Can#39;t win___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Demo mehrsprachige Karte
Hallo, die Demoseite scheint nicht mehr zu funktionieren. Jedenfalls werden hier keine Straßennamen mehr angezeigt http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=18lat=51.76091lon=14.32664layers=B0Tlang=de grüße Andreas Am 30.11.2012 15:38, schrieb Jochen Topf: Ich arbeite an einer mehrsprachigen Karte, also einer Karte auf der Du, der User, einstellen kannst, in welcher Sprache die Namen erscheinen sollen. Unter http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ gibts jetzt eine Demo. Die Tiles für diese Demo werden auf tile.openstreetmap.de gerechnet als Software kommt der Mapquest Render Stack mit einigen Änderungen von mir zu Einsatz. Du kannst jede beliebige Sprache oder Sprachkombination auswählen. Dies ist nur eine Demo-Seite, sie kann manchmal langsam sein oder auch garnicht funktionieren. Probierts aus und sagt mir, was Euch gefällt und was Euch nicht gefällt. Mehr über dieses Projekt unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_Wikipedia_project Jochen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo mehrsprachige Karte
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 11:48:21AM +0100, Andreas Dommaschk wrote: die Demoseite scheint nicht mehr zu funktionieren. Jedenfalls werden hier keine Straßennamen mehr angezeigt http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=18lat=51.76091lon=14.32664layers=B0Tlang=de Doch, das funktioniert schon. Wahrscheinlich gibts an der Stelle halt keine name:de-Tags, sondern nur name-Tags, wie man das ja auch erwarten würde. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo mehrsprachige Karte
Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=18lat=51.76091lon=14.32664layers=B0Tlang=de Doch, das funktioniert schon. Wahrscheinlich gibts an der Stelle halt keine name:de-Tags, sondern nur name-Tags, wie man das ja auch erwarten würde. Genau, denn das hier funktioniert: http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=18lat=51.76091lon=14.32664layers=B0Tlang=de,en,_ Sven -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wiki-Probleme
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Moin,
abgesehen davon, dass die Wiki vor ein paar Nächten gar nicht erreichbar
war, habe ich derzeit einige Probleme mit ihr:
1. mit HTTPS nur unzureichend nutzbar.
Schalte ich in meinem Chrome HTTPS fürs Wiki an (ok, macht
HTTPS-Everywhere automatisch), wird die Seite nicht vollständig geladen.
Chrome verhindert das nachladen unsicherer Elemente. Leider sind ein
Script und mehrere StyleSheets hart codiert via HTTP eingebunden :(
2. Multilinguale-Templates nicht einbindbar
Normalerweise binde ich ein Template über {{Vorlagenname}} in eine Seite
ein. Wenn ich ein Map Features für eine andere Sprache erstelle, so wird
das Sprachkürzel zu Beginn des Vorlagenname geschrieben (Template:DE:Map
Features:office). Wenn ich aber nun versuche {{DE:Map Features:office}}
einzubinden, versucht das Templatesystem des Wikis die Seite DE:Map
Features:office einzubinden, die nicht existiert. Erst durch
voranstellen des Namensraumes {{Template:DE:Map Features:office}} ist
das Problem gelöst :(
MfG Andreas
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Re: [Talk-de] Edits von Nodekiller
On 01/02/13 22:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 01.02.2013 17:27, fly wrote: Hey Werde jetzt doch mal auch auf talk@osm posten und mache mich bereit zumindest die Zentralen Azoren zu revertieren. Ich kann das auch uebernehmen, aber ich moechte gern einen stichhaltigen Grund dafuer haben. Danke, reiße mich nicht um den Job. Dass Nodekiller die Aktion nicht vorher diskutiert hat, ist nicht in Ordnung und hat ihm eine Verwarnung eingebracht und die eindringliche Bitte, sowas in Zukunft zu unterlassen. Was ist mit den Edits die zur immer noch gültigen Sperre geführt haben. Wenn die Edits in den zentralen Azoren wirklich die Daten verschlechtert haben, dann koennen wir sie auch revertieren. Aber wir sollten nicht aus Prinzip revertieren (so nach dem Motto: Der hat aus dem 500-Node-Way 100 geloescht, das MUSS ja eine Verschlechterung bedeuten). Denn in dem Fall ist die Gefahr gross, dass man durch den Revert zahlreiche unnoetige Nodes wieder einfuehrt. Wie schon geschrieben: Auf Pico und Faial haben sich die highways verschlechtert. Die Küstenlinien kann man wohl vernachlässigen wobei es meistens Steilküste ist und die Gezeiten in der Mitte des Ozeans auch nicht so ins Gewicht fallen. Die anderen Inseln habe ich mir nicht so genau angeschaut bzw kenne ich mich da auch nicht aus. Wobei bisher auch nur Mapper auf talk-de@osm informiert wurden oder wurde das Problem auch noch wo anders berichtet? Leider fehlt es mir an der Infrastruktur dies hier deutlich zu demonstrieren. Also - Revertieren aus Qualitaetsgruenden ist ok, Revertieren aus Prinzip ist eine Ausnahme, zu der wir nur bei besonders dreisten Faellen greifen. Danke Frederik, ich habe schon verstanden. Belastet halt auch alles die Server und ist Arbeit. Finde allerdings ein Edit der zB den veralteten Tag building=entrance durch entrance=yes ersetzt wesentlich angenehmer als jemand der daher kommt und einfach mal Löscht und dann jegliche Kommunikation verweigert oder verschwindet. Habe leider immer noch keine überzeugendes Argument für die großflächigen Edits gehört. Mir hat er folgende Fragen nicht beantwortet: * What was your intense by simplifying. (Did you try some tool ?) * Why did you choose these islands. * Are you getting around on these islands. * Why didn't you first try to get into contact before doing these mechanical edits. Die Server wird es erst mal nicht entlasten. Vielleicht hat er Dir ja mehr geschrieben. Grüße fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Neues von maps.osm2world.org
Hallo, es gibt Neues von unserer 3D-Slippymap zu berichten. Die auffälligste Änderung zuerst: Ab jetzt ist die Karte offiziell für ganz Deutschland verfügbar. http://maps.osm2world.org Auch auf den zweiten Blick sind aber noch einige Neuerungen zu entdecken, die wir in den letzten Monaten ergänzt haben. Beispielsweise funktionieren jetzt Multipolygone mit mehreren outer-Ways korrekt, so dass auch größere Seen und Waldstücke korrekt dargestellt werden. OSM2World kann außerdem Küstenlinien verarbeiten - jetzt, wo wir nicht mehr nur Bayern rendern, konnten wir uns nicht mehr um dieses Thema drücken. ;) Andere neue Features in OSM2World, von denen die Slippymap profitiert, sind u.a. die Darstellung von Hochspannungsmasten sowie etliche weitere Kleinigkeiten wie Apfelbäume und verbesserte Gebäudetexturen. In der Ansicht nach Norden ist seit einer Weile die Höhenschummerung von Hike Bike Map sichtbar. Auch die Seite selber haben wir etwas aufpoliert und ein Suchfeld sowie einen Link zum direkten Bearbeiten in JOSM ergänzt. Alles ist noch nicht perfekt: Wir sind noch nicht auf die neueste OpenLayers-Version umgestiegen und auch an der Darstellung des Meeres werden wir noch arbeiten. Wir bemühen uns, dass alle Kacheln mindestens einmal in der Woche auf den neuesten Stand gebracht werden. Der aktuelle Stand kann wie gewohnt in der About-Seite und im Timestamp-Overlay begutachtet werden. Wie bisher nehmen wir auch weiterhin Wünsche zu kleineren Gebieten außerhalb Deutschlands entgegen, dafür haben wir noch Kapazitäten frei. Gruß, Tobias PS: Wer noch Motivation braucht, kann einen Blick auf Gebiete werfen, wo Mapper bereits mit 3D-Mapping begonnen haben, zum Beispiel ... * Graz - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=47.06283lon=15.47047 - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=47.06969lon=15.45582 * Karlsruhe - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=49.0116lon=8.41699 - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=48.95678lon=8.45186 * Coburg - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=50.27082lon=10.96465 * Rostock - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=54.07486lon=12.11155 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues von maps.osm2world.org
echt toll Schön, dass ihr sogar die Spuren mit rendert. Bei der Farbgebung, könnte man vllt noch die Landuses/Landcover mit einbeziehen...momentan wirkt es durch den gleichmäßigen Hintergrund etwas eintönig. Sogar treelines wertet ihr aus...und die Stromleitungen sehen klasse aus Hier scheint es ein Renderfehler zu geben: Linkhttp://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=50.79302lon=12.87965layers=B0TTFF ich habe bereits kurz in die Daten an der Stelle geschaut, konnte aber kein Problem entdecken mfg Christian Am 2. Februar 2013 23:02 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Hallo, es gibt Neues von unserer 3D-Slippymap zu berichten. Die auffälligste Änderung zuerst: Ab jetzt ist die Karte offiziell für ganz Deutschland verfügbar. http://maps.osm2world.org Auch auf den zweiten Blick sind aber noch einige Neuerungen zu entdecken, die wir in den letzten Monaten ergänzt haben. Beispielsweise funktionieren jetzt Multipolygone mit mehreren outer-Ways korrekt, so dass auch größere Seen und Waldstücke korrekt dargestellt werden. OSM2World kann außerdem Küstenlinien verarbeiten - jetzt, wo wir nicht mehr nur Bayern rendern, konnten wir uns nicht mehr um dieses Thema drücken. ;) Andere neue Features in OSM2World, von denen die Slippymap profitiert, sind u.a. die Darstellung von Hochspannungsmasten sowie etliche weitere Kleinigkeiten wie Apfelbäume und verbesserte Gebäudetexturen. In der Ansicht nach Norden ist seit einer Weile die Höhenschummerung von Hike Bike Map sichtbar. Auch die Seite selber haben wir etwas aufpoliert und ein Suchfeld sowie einen Link zum direkten Bearbeiten in JOSM ergänzt. Alles ist noch nicht perfekt: Wir sind noch nicht auf die neueste OpenLayers-Version umgestiegen und auch an der Darstellung des Meeres werden wir noch arbeiten. Wir bemühen uns, dass alle Kacheln mindestens einmal in der Woche auf den neuesten Stand gebracht werden. Der aktuelle Stand kann wie gewohnt in der About-Seite und im Timestamp-Overlay begutachtet werden. Wie bisher nehmen wir auch weiterhin Wünsche zu kleineren Gebieten außerhalb Deutschlands entgegen, dafür haben wir noch Kapazitäten frei. Gruß, Tobias PS: Wer noch Motivation braucht, kann einen Blick auf Gebiete werfen, wo Mapper bereits mit 3D-Mapping begonnen haben, zum Beispiel ... * Graz - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=47.06283lon=15.47047 - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=47.06969lon=15.45582 * Karlsruhe - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=49.0116lon=8.41699 - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=48.95678lon=8.45186 * Coburg - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=50.27082lon=10.96465 * Rostock - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=54.07486lon=12.11155 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues von maps.osm2world.org
Hallo Christian, Am 03.02.2013 00:20, schrieb christian.pietz...@googlemail.com: echt toll Schön, dass ihr sogar die Spuren mit rendert. Bei der Farbgebung, könnte man vllt noch die Landuses/Landcover mit einbeziehen...momentan wirkt es durch den gleichmäßigen Hintergrund etwas eintönig. schön dass es dir gefällt! In Zukunft wollen wir auf jeden Fall noch weitere Flächenarten mit aufnehmen. Hier scheint es ein Renderfehler zu geben: Linkhttp://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=50.79302lon=12.87965layers=B0TTFF ich habe bereits kurz in die Daten an der Stelle geschaut, konnte aber kein Problem entdecken Da ist vermutlich auch kein Fehler in den Daten. Dieser Effekt entsteht durch einen Bug bei der Kreuzungsflächen-Schätzung von OSM2World, der leider an manchen Nodes auftritt - häufig bei Ways, die in relativ spitzem Winkel zusammentreffen. Gruß, Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues von maps.osm2world.org
Hier stehen noch einige Gebäude im Wasser ... http://maps.osm2world.org/?h=128view=Ezoom=17lat=49.44349lon=8.89665layers=B0 On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:02:44 +0100 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Hallo, es gibt Neues von unserer 3D-Slippymap zu berichten. Die auffälligste Änderung zuerst: Ab jetzt ist die Karte offiziell für ganz Deutschland verfügbar. http://maps.osm2world.org Auch auf den zweiten Blick sind aber noch einige Neuerungen zu entdecken, die wir in den letzten Monaten ergänzt haben. Beispielsweise funktionieren jetzt Multipolygone mit mehreren outer-Ways korrekt, so dass auch größere Seen und Waldstücke korrekt dargestellt werden. OSM2World kann außerdem Küstenlinien verarbeiten - jetzt, wo wir nicht mehr nur Bayern rendern, konnten wir uns nicht mehr um dieses Thema drücken. ;) Andere neue Features in OSM2World, von denen die Slippymap profitiert, sind u.a. die Darstellung von Hochspannungsmasten sowie etliche weitere Kleinigkeiten wie Apfelbäume und verbesserte Gebäudetexturen. In der Ansicht nach Norden ist seit einer Weile die Höhenschummerung von Hike Bike Map sichtbar. Auch die Seite selber haben wir etwas aufpoliert und ein Suchfeld sowie einen Link zum direkten Bearbeiten in JOSM ergänzt. Alles ist noch nicht perfekt: Wir sind noch nicht auf die neueste OpenLayers-Version umgestiegen und auch an der Darstellung des Meeres werden wir noch arbeiten. Wir bemühen uns, dass alle Kacheln mindestens einmal in der Woche auf den neuesten Stand gebracht werden. Der aktuelle Stand kann wie gewohnt in der About-Seite und im Timestamp-Overlay begutachtet werden. Wie bisher nehmen wir auch weiterhin Wünsche zu kleineren Gebieten außerhalb Deutschlands entgegen, dafür haben wir noch Kapazitäten frei. Gruß, Tobias PS: Wer noch Motivation braucht, kann einen Blick auf Gebiete werfen, wo Mapper bereits mit 3D-Mapping begonnen haben, zum Beispiel ... * Graz - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=47.06283lon=15.47047 - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=47.06969lon=15.45582 * Karlsruhe - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=49.0116lon=8.41699 - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=48.95678lon=8.45186 * Coburg - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=50.27082lon=10.96465 * Rostock - http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=17lat=54.07486lon=12.11155 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de -- Johannes Hüsing johan...@huesing.name ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Errori in OSM
Il 01/02/2013 20:48, Leonardo ha scritto: Ciao, potresti zoomare fino a 10 metri sopra l'errore in JOSM, il server non dovrebbe farti storie per scaricare quella parte. Leonardo Grazie Leonardo per i nodi uso 0 e per le aree come suggerisci tu 10 è perfetto. Ciao, fair (Mario). ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
allora, ho registrato due tracce del percorso che faccio di solito, -ho usato OSMtracker, -ho visto che c'era la possiilita' di prendere appunti vocali e l'ho fatto nei punti salienti, -ho convertito in GPX, dal telefono ho individuato queste directory che dovrebbero essere relative alle tracce: 2013-01-29_17-18-59 2013-01-30_17-39-30 che contengono files tipo questi: 2013-01-29_17-18-59.gpx 2013-01-29_17-32-29.3gpp 2013-01-29_17-34-23.3gpp openstreetmap/data che contiene altre directory e altri files tipo quelli di sopra. adesso, cosa devo fare ? :- grazie, :-) ciao :-) pier ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
Il giorno 02 febbraio 2013 11:28, yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.itha scritto: allora, ho registrato due tracce del percorso che faccio di solito, -ho usato OSMtracker, -ho visto che c'era la possiilita' di prendere appunti vocali e l'ho fatto nei punti salienti, -ho convertito in GPX, dal telefono ho individuato queste directory che dovrebbero essere relative alle tracce: 2013-01-29_17-18-59 2013-01-30_17-39-30 che contengono files tipo questi: 2013-01-29_17-18-59.gpx Questa è la traccia. 2013-01-29_17-32-29.3gpp 2013-01-29_17-34-23.3gpp Queste dovrebbero essere le note vocali. (3gpp è un formato audio/video mobile) openstreetmap/data che contiene altre directory e altri files tipo quelli di sopra. Questa boh non so cos'è.. adesso, cosa devo fare ? :- Apri con JOSM la traccia (apri JOSM, trascini la traccia nell'area e si apre, poi scarichi i dati sopra, dovrebbe capire da solo l'area, altrimenti clicchi col destro sulla traccia e dovrebbe esserci un scarica dati intorno alla traccia). Se ricordo bene (lo facevo con le foto) dovrebbero apparirti anche dei marcatori lungo la traccia che se clicchi ti aprono il file corrispondente (a patto che tu li abbia compiati insieme alla traccia). grazie, :-) ciao :-) pier Ciao, Stefano __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Problema routing
Buongiorno Chi sa spiegarmi questo [1] comportamento della OSRM? [1] http://map.project-osrm.org/?hl=itloc=45.875600,12.286620loc=45.872710,12.280030z=17center=45.874570,12.284743alt=0df=0re=0 Grazie ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problema routing
Il giorno 02 febbraio 2013 12:13, gpstracks.it m...@gpstracks.it ha scritto: Buongiorno Chi sa spiegarmi questo [1] comportamento della OSRM? [1] http://map.project-osrm.org/?**hl=itloc=45.875600,12.286620** loc=45.872710,12.280030z=17**center=45.874570,12.284743** alt=0df=0re=0http://map.project-osrm.org/?hl=itloc=45.875600,12.286620loc=45.872710,12.280030z=17center=45.874570,12.284743alt=0df=0re=0 Grazie C'era una relazione turn restriction sbagliata, l'ho corretta! Penso fosse quello il problema (in pratica diceva che l'uscita della rotonda poteva condurre solo a rientrare sulla rotonda) I dati non si aggiornano subito su OSRM :-) Ciao, Stefano __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
2013/2/2 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: adesso, cosa devo fare ? :- Apri con JOSM la traccia (apri JOSM, trascini la traccia nell'area e si apre, poi scarichi i dati sopra, dovrebbe capire da solo l'area, altrimenti clicchi col destro sulla traccia e dovrebbe esserci un scarica dati intorno alla traccia). +1, si, vedi un po' quanto siano attendibili (precise) e quanti punti sono registrati (ogni secondo, o peggio ogni tot di metri). Poi vedi tu. Personalmente considero le tracce che ottengo tramite cellulare (sia iPhone 4S che SonyEricsson) non sufficienti (di qualità) per caricarli sul portale OSM, gli uso in locale però se non ho alternative ;-) Generalmente credo che per cose che si vedono nelle foto aeree le tracce gpx di un cellulare non ti servono a niente, ma potrei essere contradetto dallo sviluppo dei cellulari (non lo sò, perchè la parte cruciale è l'antenna del GPS che pratticamente non è mai buono per motivi di priorità, esigenza e di spazio disponibile). Forse se hai un logger esterno che colleghi tramite bluetooth la situazione cambia. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Guida PostGIS
bisgona imporatare i dati in postgis. osm2pgsql osmosis sono 2 tool che potrebbero andare bene. è una domanda troppo generica per rispondere più specificatamente. :) 2013/2/1 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com http://blog.openstreetmap.it/utenti/ un utente ha fatto un commento qua (non capisco perchè l'ho lasciata aperta, vabbè :D) e ha fatto una domanda su postgis chiedendo se ci fosse una guida semplice per usare osm in locale. Chi ha la risposta pronta? Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
On 02/02/13 12:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/2/2 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: adesso, cosa devo fare ? :- Apri con JOSM la traccia (apri JOSM, trascini la traccia nell'area e si apre, poi scarichi i dati sopra, dovrebbe capire da solo l'area, altrimenti clicchi col destro sulla traccia e dovrebbe esserci un scarica dati intorno alla traccia). +1, si, vedi un po' quanto siano attendibili (precise) e quanti punti .. ok ho optato per joms da browser visto che per linux c'e' solo per ubuntu, ho visto che la maggior parte dei punti sono tracciati, ma c'e' un pezzo di una strada che ha il nome sbagliato, come faccio a dividere quella strada in due e dare al pezzo il nome giusto?? poi c'e' una rotonda che hanno appena aperto, come faccio ad aggiungerla?? ciao :-) grazie ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
.. ok ho optato per joms da browser visto che per linux c'e' solo per ubuntu, ho visto che la maggior parte dei punti sono tracciati, ma c'e' un pezzo di una strada che ha il nome sbagliato, come faccio a dividere quella strada in due e dare al pezzo il nome giusto?? Se ho capito bene, non hai convertito la traccia in layer osm, ma la stai usando x controllare i dati preesistenti. Per spezzare la strada: devi passare dal modo selezione (tasto s) a quello editore (tasto a), quindi fare Click sx nel punto quando josm evidenzia la way; ciò creerà un nodo appartenente alla way tasto p spezzerà la way e potrai editare i due pezzi indipendentemente poi c'e' una rotonda che hanno appena aperto, come faccio ad aggiungerla?? Se la già traccia ha punti sufficienti, puoi convertirla in layer osm, editarlo a dovere e caricare sul planet :) Finetra dei layer seleziona il gpx click dx e trasforma Ciao! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Guida PostGIS
Il giorno 01 febbraio 2013 20:50, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: http://blog.openstreetmap.it/utenti/ un utente ha fatto un commento qua (non capisco perchè l'ho lasciata aperta, vabbè :D) e ha fatto una domanda su postgis chiedendo se ci fosse una guida semplice per usare osm in locale. Chi ha la risposta pronta? (Ho appena iniziato ad usarlo. Non so se in rete ci siano info migliori, ma qui ci sono un po di pagine del Wiki.) Ci sono diverse possibilità, dipende da cosa si vuole fare. Rendering: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2postgresql - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Imposm Analisi dei dati: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis/PostGIS_Setup (un tutorial: http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/a-self-updating-openstreetmap-database-of-us-bridges-a-step-by-step-guide/ ) Routing: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgrouting Altro: Spatialite: - https://www.gaia-gis.it/fossil/spatialite-tools/wiki?name=OSM+tools Dati OSM: - download.gfoss.it/osm/osm/ Convertitore di formati: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmconvert ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
2013/2/2 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it: .. ok ho optato per joms da browser visto che per linux c'e' solo per ubuntu, ho visto che la maggior parte dei punti sono tracciati, ma c'e' un pezzo di una strada che ha il nome sbagliato, come faccio a dividere quella strada in due e dare al pezzo il nome giusto?? seleziona il punto dove vuoi spezzare e fai p dovresti stare attento nel caso che ci siano delle relazioni (lo vedi in proprietà) che dopo lo spezzamento sono ancora a posto. Per una introduzione in JOSM guarda il wiki. JOSM gira su java, quindi lo puoi usare su ogni piattaforma con java. Per Linux consiglio lo script di cobra: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Cobra/JOSM-script https://github.com/cobra/josm-update-script (nel conf metti version=latest) poi c'e' una rotonda che hanno appena aperto, come faccio ad aggiungerla?? fai un way che collega 2 lati opposti (il centro della strada) e poi premi o. Aggiungi tags (alt+a): junction=roundabout highway=* name=* ... controlla il verso e inverti il senso se necessario. poi la connetti alle strade esistenti ;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. Uno a caso: Girare a destra su FIXME http://osrm.at/2fC Come già detto in lista in passato (non trovo più il thread), è sbagliato taggare così le vie prive di nome, tanto più adesso che esistono dei siti che le segnalano comodamente, come: http://qa.poole.ch/?zoom=6lat=41.70699lon=12.68095layers=TFB0 Forse risalgono ad un po' di tempo fa. Il loro numero non sembra calare, quindi non penso esistano o siano attivi bot che rimuovono automaticamente questi tag. Cosa ne facciamo? A) Niente, lasciamoli lì. Così possiamo riparlarne un'altra volta... ;-) B) Cambiamo name=fixme in fixme=name?. C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta, o dovremmo aggiungere nel fixme anche tutti gli altri tag potenziali (cit. Martin, nel thread che non ritrovo). +1 Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Il 02 febbraio 2013 15:06, Groppo O ha scritto: Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. e ci sono diverse varianti: count | name ---+-- 1 | fix 3 | FIX 1 | FIXED 1 | fixend 1 | Fixke 128 | fixme 2 | fix me 1 | fIXME 371 | Fixme 1 | Fix me 21 | FixMe 1 | Fix Me 5 | FIxme 1 | FIXme 1 | FIXMe 380 | FIXME 31 | FIX ME 3 | FIXME 1 | fixme 561 ? 1 | fixme - AltaVia Tappa 15 - Variante sentiero 1 | FIXME Bike 10 1 | FIXME - Bike 12 5 | FIXME - Bike 5 1 | FIXME - Bike 6 1 | FIXME - Bike 7 1 | FIXME - Bike 8 1 | FIXME Bike 9 2 | FIXME contattare killer fiore serve tracccia gps 1 | fixme continua 1 | fixme downhill mtb 1 | FIX ME lost signal 2 | FIX ME lost trail 1 | FIXME - MASSICCIO MARCOLANO 5 | fixme mtb 1 | fixme - Mulino del pesce 1 | FIXME (ran out of batteries) 1 | fix me Rif. Lausa 1 | FIXME Str Olza 1 | fixme type 1 | FIXME-U30 1 | FIXME_verso patarè 4 | FIXME Via Gioachino Rossini 1 | fixme; Via San Benedetto 2 | FIXMYNAME (44 righe) il secondo FIXME ha uno spazio finale C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta +1 almeno per quelli più semplici -- Daniele Forsi name -- fix FIX FIXED fixend Fixke fixme fix me fIXME Fixme Fix me FixMe Fix Me FIxme FIXme FIXMe FIXME FIX ME FIXME fixme 561 ? fixme - AltaVia Tappa 15 - Variante sentiero FIXME Bike 10 FIXME - Bike 12 FIXME - Bike 5 FIXME - Bike 6 FIXME - Bike 7 FIXME - Bike 8 FIXME Bike 9 FIXME contattare killer fiore serve tracccia gps fixme continua fixme downhill mtb FIX ME lost signal FIX ME lost trail FIXME - MASSICCIO MARCOLANO fixme mtb fixme - Mulino del pesce FIXME (ran out of batteries) fix me Rif. Lausa FIXME Str Olza fixme type FIXME-U30 FIXME_verso patarè FIXME Via Gioachino Rossini fixme; Via San Benedetto FIXMYNAME (44 righe) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Direi di toglierli, tanto JOSM segnala le strade senza nome come errore e comunque, come hai linkato tu, esistono i siti che le segnalano. Leonardo Il 02/02/2013 15:06, Groppo O ha scritto: Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. Uno a caso: Girare a destra su FIXME http://osrm.at/2fC Come già detto in lista in passato (non trovo più il thread), è sbagliato taggare così le vie prive di nome, tanto più adesso che esistono dei siti che le segnalano comodamente, come: http://qa.poole.ch/?zoom=6lat=41.70699lon=12.68095layers=TFB0 Forse risalgono ad un po' di tempo fa. Il loro numero non sembra calare, quindi non penso esistano o siano attivi bot che rimuovono automaticamente questi tag. Cosa ne facciamo? A) Niente, lasciamoli lì. Così possiamo riparlarne un'altra volta... ;-) B) Cambiamo name=fixme in fixme=name?. C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta, o dovremmo aggiungere nel fixme anche tutti gli altri tag potenziali (cit. Martin, nel thread che non ritrovo). +1 Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
02.02.2013 - 15:06 - Groppo O: Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. Uno a caso: Girare a destra su FIXME http://osrm.at/2fC Come già detto in lista in passato (non trovo più il thread), è sbagliato taggare così le vie prive di nome, tanto più adesso che esistono dei siti che le segnalano comodamente, come: http://qa.poole.ch/?zoom=6lat=41.70699lon=12.68095layers=TFB0 Forse risalgono ad un po' di tempo fa. Il loro numero non sembra calare, quindi non penso esistano o siano attivi bot che rimuovono automaticamente questi tag. Cosa ne facciamo? A) Niente, lasciamoli lì. Così possiamo riparlarne un'altra volta... ;-) B) Cambiamo name=fixme in fixme=name?. C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta, o dovremmo aggiungere nel fixme anche tutti gli altri tag potenziali (cit. Martin, nel thread che non ritrovo). +1 Ciao, Groppo Bisognerebbe capire cosa si intendeva con questo tag: che il nome è da correggere (ma se non c'è?) oppure che la way è da correggere. Nel primo caso cancellerei il tag, nel secondo lo trasformerei in fixme=* Damjan ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Secondo me sarebbe meglio convertire in fixme=name per i name=fixme, gli altri mettere fixme=yes e copiare name in note. Il giorno 02 febbraio 2013 15:30, Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com ha scritto: Direi di toglierli, tanto JOSM segnala le strade senza nome come errore e comunque, come hai linkato tu, esistono i siti che le segnalano. Leonardo Il 02/02/2013 15:06, Groppo O ha scritto: Sulla mappa ci sono un po' di strade (~450) taggate con name=fixme o name=FIXME. Uno a caso: Girare a destra su FIXME http://osrm.at/2fC Come già detto in lista in passato (non trovo più il thread), è sbagliato taggare così le vie prive di nome, tanto più adesso che esistono dei siti che le segnalano comodamente, come: http://qa.poole.ch/?zoom=6lat=41.70699lon=12.68095layers=TFB0 Forse risalgono ad un po' di tempo fa. Il loro numero non sembra calare, quindi non penso esistano o siano attivi bot che rimuovono automaticamente questi tag. Cosa ne facciamo? A) Niente, lasciamoli lì. Così possiamo riparlarne un'altra volta... ;-) B) Cambiamo name=fixme in fixme=name?. C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta, o dovremmo aggiungere nel fixme anche tutti gli altri tag potenziali (cit. Martin, nel thread che non ritrovo). +1 Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing listTalk-it@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
Il giorno sab, 02/02/2013 alle 15.29 +0100, Daniele Forsi ha scritto: e ci sono diverse varianti: count | name ---+-- 1 | fix 3 | FIX 1 | FIXED 1 | fixend 1 | Fixke 128 | fixme 2 | fix me 1 | fIXME 371 | Fixme 1 | Fix me 21 | FixMe 1 | Fix Me 5 | FIxme 1 | FIXme 1 | FIXMe 380 | FIXME 31 | FIX ME 3 | FIXME 1 | fixme 561 ? 1 | fixme - AltaVia Tappa 15 - Variante sentiero 1 | FIXME Bike 10 1 | FIXME - Bike 12 5 | FIXME - Bike 5 1 | FIXME - Bike 6 1 | FIXME - Bike 7 1 | FIXME - Bike 8 1 | FIXME Bike 9 2 | FIXME contattare killer fiore serve tracccia gps 1 | fixme continua 1 | fixme downhill mtb 1 | FIX ME lost signal 2 | FIX ME lost trail 1 | FIXME - MASSICCIO MARCOLANO 5 | fixme mtb 1 | fixme - Mulino del pesce 1 | FIXME (ran out of batteries) 1 | fix me Rif. Lausa 1 | FIXME Str Olza 1 | fixme type 1 | FIXME-U30 1 | FIXME_verso patarè 4 | FIXME Via Gioachino Rossini 1 | fixme; Via San Benedetto 2 | FIXMYNAME (44 righe) il secondo FIXME ha uno spazio finale C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta +1 almeno per quelli più semplici +1 per quelli semplici ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utilizzo del Suolo - Suggerimenti e critiche per le regole di conversione
Il 31/01/2013 20:22, Leonardo ha scritto: Si potrebbe aggiungere un subtag centre_zone=yes per non perdere l'informazione? Ammetto che non c'è nessun uso precedente di questo tag (0) +1, meglio aggiungere un tag in più per distinguere una specifica caratteristica della zona. Non trovo sul wiki centre_zone=yes. Vedo invece una proposta landuse=centre_zone, con centre_type=sub_centre/main_centre (ed altre interessanti combinazioni con historic...). Che facciamo? Spostiamo da landuse=residential a landuse=centre_zone? Il 31/01/2013 23:48, Groppo O ha scritto: Sì, forse è meglio genus=* se c'è solo il genere e species=* se si conosce anche la specie. Vedo che Giovanni ha convertito i taxon:genus a taxon. Se volete si può cambiare in species o anche tenere taxon (per me è uguale). Il 31/01/2013 23:37, Groppo O ha scritto: Si potrebbe aggiungere alla lista di controlli di considerare un tag diverso per le radure nei boschi. Mi pare che sulla mappa siano mappate con meadow, solitamente. +1 Quello che mi fa preferire la lista ai fixme è che (visto che comunque non si parla di tag sbagliati ma da precisare) è più veloce aggiungere un tag dove serve, scorrendo la mappa, piuttosto che rimuovere tanti fixme uno ad uno; e non si corre il rischio che qualcuno carichi numerosi fixme perché si è dimenticato di toglierli. Ok, vada per la lista dei controlli. ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Utilizzo del Suolo - Suggerimenti e critiche per le regole di conversione
Ciao a tutti, ho provato a fare un test di conversione utilizzando le regole fissate fino ad oggi e a controllare il risultato su JOSM. Ho scelto uno dei casi peggiori ovvero Padova. La prima conversione da è andata senza nessun problema, ho riproiettato su QGIS e trasformato con shp-to-osm. Il risultato finale sono stati 3 file osm (shp-to-osm spezza i file troppo grossi in alcuni più piccoli) che ho aperto in JOSM e controllati con il validatore. -Circa 8000 nodi sovrapposti e altri 2 nodi duplicati di altro genere sono stati corretti automaticamente senza nessun intoppo (spero abbiate un pc decente perchè il validatore è tosto su file così! :) ). -Fondere i livelli è una cosa abbastanza veloce anche se inchioda letteralmente il PC. -È necessario applicare un tag a tutti i poligoni, anche solo note o fixme perché altrimenti JOSM si lamenta di Chiave non valida - Valori di tag vuoti. -Ci sono circa 220 percorsi sovrapposti. Sembrano tanti ma in realtà per uno shape di queste dimensioni sono veramente pochi e rapidamente sistemabili (certi fabbric scaricati dal geoportale arrivavano persino a 400 e passa percorsi sovrapposti da sistemare uno ad uno, causati da uno shp originale fatto malissimo!). -Se avessi dovuto caricare il file convertito sarebbero stati 55.175 elementi spediti al server OSM, suddividendoli in pacchetti da 250 (come faccio di solito) avrebbero necessitato di 221 richieste al server. Il mio record fino ad ora era stato 125 :D In conclusione dobbiamo finire la stesura delle regole e pensare a chi potrebbe effettuare l'import di file così grossi e delicati perché se non va a buon fine (salta la corrente, errore di connessione...) il revert del changeset potrebbe essere un vero inferno! Possiamo anche pensare a caricare i vari shape dei landuse raggruppati per categoria (es. prima tutti i landuse orchard, poi tutti gli industrial, ecc). Leonardo P.s. invito tutti ad aggiornare JOSM all'ultima versione stabile (la 5608 a questo momento) perché è stato riscritto il validatore, ottimizzandolo nella ricerca e correzione degli errori. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Errori numeri di telefono
Il 02/02/2013 14:42, Groppo O ha scritto: Il giorno 01 febbraio 2013 11:51, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com mailto:mario.piche...@gmail.com ha scritto: In Errori in OSM, sto correggendo *Numeri telefonici non conformi.* Non sarebbe male se assieme al numero di telefono si inserisse anche: addr:city addr:country addr:housenumber addr:street name: e se è presente un sito, website: esempio: 46.0746795 lon=11.1252445 (Trento). Ciao, fair (Mario) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Errori numeri di telefono
2013/2/2 Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com: Il 02/02/2013 14:42, Groppo O ha scritto: Non sarebbe male se assieme al numero di telefono si inserisse anche: addr:city addr:country addr:housenumber addr:street e se è presente un sito, website: esempio: 46.0746795 lon=11.1252445 (Trento). c'è anche ref:vatin (partita iva), cuisine (ristoranti ecc.), wikipedia, operator, ... ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Errori numeri di telefono
Il 02/02/2013 18:56, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Il 02/02/2013 14:42, Groppo O ha scritto: Il giorno 01 febbraio 2013 11:51, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com mailto:mario.piche...@gmail.com ha scritto: In Errori in OSM, sto correggendo *Numeri telefonici non conformi.* Non sarebbe male se assieme al numero di telefono si inserisse anche: addr:city addr:country addr:housenumber addr:street name: e se è presente un sito, website: esempio: 46.0746795 lon=11.1252445 (Trento). Ciao, fair (Mario) anche addr:postcode Io se li metto li inserisco sempre tutti. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Rimuoviamo i tags name=fixme dalle strade?
2013/2/2 Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com: C) Cancelliamo name=fixme e basta +1 almeno per quelli più semplici si, nel caso che non contiene informazioni toglierei il tag (name=fixme ecc. anche FIXME contattare killer fiore serve tracccia gps) invece questi (e simili) mettrei come valore sotto la chiave fixme: 1 | fixme - AltaVia Tappa 15 - Variante sentiero 1 | FIXME Bike 10 1 | FIXME - Bike 12 5 | FIXME - Bike 5 1 | FIXME - Bike 6 1 | FIXME - Bike 7 1 | FIXME - Bike 8 1 | FIXME Bike 9 1 | fixme continua ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Errori numeri di telefono
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:56:37 +0100, Mario Pichetti wrote: Il 02/02/2013 14:42, Groppo O ha scritto: Il giorno 01 febbraio 2013 11:51, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com mailto:mario.piche...@gmail.com ha scritto: In Errori in OSM, sto correggendo *Numeri telefonici non conformi.* Non sarebbe male se assieme al numero di telefono si inserisse anche: addr:city addr:country Non questi due, per favore :( -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] link
Ciao a tutti. Ho trovato molti errori nei link ai siti web. Consiglio_verificate sempre collegandovi al sito_ e usate il classico Ctrl_CCtrl_V. E' semplice, veloce, sicuro. Ciao fair (Mario) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mia prima traccia-(pla1)che devo fare adesso??
On 02/02/2013 15:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/2/2 yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it: .. ok ho optato per joms da browser visto che per linux c'e' solo per ubuntu, ho visto che la maggior parte dei punti sono tracciati, ma c'e' un pezzo di una strada che ha il nome sbagliato, come faccio a dividere quella strada in due e dare al pezzo il nome giusto?? seleziona il punto dove vuoi spezzare e fai p dovresti stare attento nel caso che ci siano delle relazioni (lo vedi in proprietà) che dopo lo spezzamento sono ancora a posto. Per una introduzione in JOSM guarda il wiki. kk, prima modifica fatta, e l'ho pure caricata sul server visto che il software lo chiede prima di chiudere, domani vediamo se riesco a fare la rotonda..:-) dopo quanto posso vedere il risultato di quello che ho fatto:-)) ?? ciao, :-) grazie :-) pier ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Osmveneto] Organizzazione Import Utilizzo del Suolo dal Geoportale Veneto
Ciao, fatto un test su Montebelluna dato che presenta anche un ospedale, delle scuole e dei parchi. Allora il risultato non è male, c'è un pò da lavorare post conversione ma niente di estremo. La maggior parte dei terreni segnati come 12130 Aree destinate a servizi pubblici, militari e privati e 11300 Classi di tessuto urbano speciali controllandole con Bing/PCN sono scuole, ospedali o altre categorie che si può provare a desumere sia dai dati già importati (fabbric, dati precedentemente caricati da altri utenti). Comunque necessitano di un fixme o note (es. controllare tramite bing/PCN), non lasciamo niente scoperto (tranne gli oceani/mari e le zone a rischio incendio). Il riallineamento sarà OBBLIGATORIO (sottolineato in rosso, grassetto e a carattere 72 :) )!!! Gli shape convertiti sono troppo discostati rispetto alla PCN, direi di utilizzare quest'ultima per sistemare il file. Direi anche di aggiungere un note sulle varie densità del landuse residenziale, non si sa mai che in futuro OSM sviluppi un tag appropriato. In linea di massima cerchiamo di tenere più informazioni possibili dai dati originali, senza generalizzare troppo i tag. Infine direi di importare solo i riquadri in cui sono già stati importati i file fabbric.shp per un motivo logistico: quando si va a convertire il file, prima dell'upload dei dati dei fabbricati c'è la necessità di scaricarsi i dati già presenti in quel riquadro e se ce ne sono troppi già presenti il server rifiuterà la richiesta, obbligando a scaricare zone molto più piccole e creando difficoltà nella pulizia pre-import. Quindi chiederei gentilmente di permettere l'upload solo delle zone zone già coperte dagli edifici. Per controllare ciò basta guardare la mappa fatta da Groppo O (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41550819/OSM/Overlay_CTR_OSM/Overlay_CTR_OSM.html), selezionando fabbricati dalla colonna di destra. Se qualcuno volesse contribuire ad accelerare l'import dei fabbricati, anche solo nel convertire gli shape e senza successivo upload, mi contatti! Leonardo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Errori numeri di telefono
02.02.2013 - 19:03 - David Paleino: Non sarebbe male se assieme al numero di telefono si inserisse anche: addr:city addr:country Non questi due, per favore :( +1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
On Viernes, 1 de febrero de 2013 06:44:45 Ricardo Sanz wrote: propongo aprobar esta tabla ya [...] No está bien por varias causas. a) autopistas y autovías están señalizadas igual 'highway=motorway' b) las carreteras de doble calzada no son troncales per se, no pueden etiquetarse como 'highway=trunk' c) doble calzada no implica 2 o más carriles por sentido, puede ser uno, el requisito es que las calzadas para cada carril estén separadas (independientemente de que realmente exista este tipo de vías y de que las matrículas azules les correspondan) d) figuran dos tipos de carreteras convencionales de primer nivel. Deberían unirse. Aparte, lo de X en negro es cierto. En la tabla original estaba en amarillo sobre fondo amarillo para que se viera igual que en la sealización. Saludos - A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
El 2 de febrero de 2013 12:45, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.orgescribió: a) autopistas y autovías están señalizadas igual 'highway=motorway' Exactamente como en el resto del territorio español. b) las carreteras de doble calzada no son troncales per se, no pueden etiquetarse como 'highway=trunk' Pueden etiquetarse así si así lo acordamos. Tienes razón en que el hecho de que una carretera sea de doble calzada no necesariamente debe implicar que sean troncales, pero lo que se está diciendo es que las carreteras de doble calzada con referencia de fondo azul y que no sean autopistas ni autovías se consideran trunk. c) doble calzada no implica 2 o más carriles por sentido, puede ser uno, el requisito es que las calzadas para cada carril estén separadas (independientemente de que realmente exista este tipo de vías y de que las matrículas azules les correspondan) Por favor: casos prácticos. Obviamente, supongo que al indicar doble calzada se refiere a doble calzada con más de un carril por sentido. d) figuran dos tipos de carreteras convencionales de primer nivel. Deberían unirse. Creo que están separadas para clarificar que, aunque sean administrativamente distintas, se van a mapear igual. -- David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
De acuerdo en todo con David Marín :) --- Ricardo Sanz Moreno El 02/02/2013, a las 15:08, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: El 2 de febrero de 2013 12:45, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org escribió: a) autopistas y autovías están señalizadas igual 'highway=motorway' Exactamente como en el resto del territorio español. b) las carreteras de doble calzada no son troncales per se, no pueden etiquetarse como 'highway=trunk' Pueden etiquetarse así si así lo acordamos. Tienes razón en que el hecho de que una carretera sea de doble calzada no necesariamente debe implicar que sean troncales, pero lo que se está diciendo es que las carreteras de doble calzada con referencia de fondo azul y que no sean autopistas ni autovías se consideran trunk. c) doble calzada no implica 2 o más carriles por sentido, puede ser uno, el requisito es que las calzadas para cada carril estén separadas (independientemente de que realmente exista este tipo de vías y de que las matrículas azules les correspondan) Por favor: casos prácticos. Obviamente, supongo que al indicar doble calzada se refiere a doble calzada con más de un carril por sentido. d) figuran dos tipos de carreteras convencionales de primer nivel. Deberían unirse. Creo que están separadas para clarificar que, aunque sean administrativamente distintas, se van a mapear igual. -- David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
On Sábado, 2 de febrero de 2013 16:13:19 Ricardo Sanz wrote: De acuerdo en todo con David Marín :) Adelante pues Hay que actualizar también la lista de Carreteras de Tenerife Noel er Envite - A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Normalización de Carreteras en Canarias
No es la misma? --- Ricardo Sanz Moreno El 02/02/2013, a las 17:19, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org escribió: On Sábado, 2 de febrero de 2013 16:13:19 Ricardo Sanz wrote: De acuerdo en todo con David Marín :) Adelante pues Hay que actualizar también la lista de Carreteras de Tenerife Noel er Envite - A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-at] Wochenendaktion: OSMBUGS
Na Prost Mahlzeit, durch einen OSMBug bin ich auf diese Gegend hier (in Wien) beim Trillerpark gestoßen. Das ist ja grauenvoll.. so schlecht können doch nichtmal Yahoo-Bilder gewesen sein? http://osm.org/go/0JrMwsVCI- Ich werde mich mal von Süden ans verbessern machen. Best, Markus On 02/01/2013 06:03 PM, Markus Straub wrote: Hi, mir ist aufgefallen, dass auf osmbugs.org eigentlich kaum Bugs gefixt werden. Ich dachte mir, lasst uns doch dieses Wochenende versuchen, da ordentlich aufzuräumen! Wer ist dabei? LG, Markus ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] kurier.at nutzt OSM
Hi, ich habe das buildings-tool 29210 installiert (josm 5608) und finde diese Funktion nicht. In den Shortcut-Einstellungen finde ich wenn ich nach building suche nur den 'draw buliding mode' und 'set building size'. Es muss sich also um ein anderes Plugin handeln? Ich würd das auch gerne haben :) Danke! Markus On 01/23/2013 09:36 AM, Günther Zin. wrote: Am Mi, 23.01.2013, 09:04, schrieb Lars Schimmer: Nuja, es ist eine elendige Arbeit, Häuserblöcke in einzelne Häuser und building:parts=yes aufzuteilen, um dann dort korrekte Tags zu setzen. Besser gleich richtig machen. Gleich machen ist sicher besser, das stimmt. Bei mir geht das in JOSM aber auch recht schön: die 2 Punkte zum Trennen setzen, gemeinsam markieren und Alt+X drücken. Schon hat man 2 geschlossene Polygone. Ich glaub, diese Funktion war im Plugin Building-Tools drinnen, mit mir aber nicht ganz sicher. Mfg Günther ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] kurier.at nutzt OSM
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 10:59:27 +0100 Markus Straub markus.straub...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, ich habe das buildings-tool 29210 installiert (josm 5608) und finde diese Funktion nicht. In den Shortcut-Einstellungen finde ich wenn ich nach building suche nur den 'draw buliding mode' und 'set building size'. Es muss sich also um ein anderes Plugin handeln? Ich würd das auch gerne haben :) das ist im utilsplugin2 -- Kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Stefan Tauner ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] map für turn restrictions QA
Am 02.02.2013 01:15, schrieb Stefan Tauner: gerade in #osm vorbegehuscht: http://mapcomlu.com/ eine karte, die (schadhafte) turn restrictions sehr hübsch visualisiert. Der Link ergibt nur Seitenfehler - Server nicht gefunden!? Peter. ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] map für turn restrictions QA
http://map.comlu.com/ Weiteres gibt es im Forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=19834 Am 03.02.2013, 00:22 Uhr, schrieb Peter Kössler pkoess...@gmx.net: Am 02.02.2013 01:15, schrieb Stefan Tauner: gerade in #osm vorbegehuscht: http://mapcomlu.com/ eine karte, die (schadhafte) turn restrictions sehr hübsch visualisiert. Der Link ergibt nur Seitenfehler - Server nicht gefunden!? Peter. ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] map für turn restrictions QA
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:22:15 +0100 Peter Kössler pkoess...@gmx.net wrote: Am 02.02.2013 01:15, schrieb Stefan Tauner: gerade in #osm vorbegehuscht: http://mapcomlu.com/ eine karte, die (schadhafte) turn restrictions sehr hübsch visualisiert. Der Link ergibt nur Seitenfehler - Server nicht gefunden!? danke, da ist warum auch immer ein . verloren gegangen. http://map.comlu.com/?zoom=14lat=48.21363lon=16.36919layer=OSM%20Standardoverlays=FTT -- Kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Stefan Tauner ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-ca] Gouvernement ouvert , Gatineau
I agree that advocacy with all levels of government is important. They seem in general to be interested, and to listen politely, but often to not understand that creating a new license is poison to open data. So it is important to keep talking with them, more and more of them, until they comprehend. Data law is relatively new, in terms of law. Data law is applied unevenly by countries. The very nature of data demands mixing with other data sets. This means that explicit and careful drafting of a license is required so that it will work everywhere without accidentally discriminating against a potential user. I disagree that ODbL is the right license for municipalities or other governments. ODbL is absolutely the right license for OSMF and the OSM community. OSMF must serve the OSM community of mappers, and the share alike provision is important to a substantial portion of the mapping community. ODbL deliberately discriminates against those who would take ODbL data, improve it, and not share the improvements. That is an important and deliberate feature of the ODbL license Governments must serve all of their citizens, even those who would not choose to share. The ODbL share alike provision is not suitable for government publishers who mush serve both their sharing and non-sharing constituents. I recommend that governments publish their open data under ODC PDDL. PDDL allows use, not just in OSM, but in any open data project. PDDL allows use, not just in open data projects, but in closed commercial projects that chose not to share at all. PDDL allows use in all jurisdictions with established data law, but also in jurisdictions where data law is not recognized and copyright law is used to fill the gaps. Governments must serve a broader audience than the OSMF must serve. OpenDataCommons recognize that one Open Data license is not sufficient, and have drafted a suite of licenses. Their licenses are drafted to be compatible, so that PDDL data can be included in ODbL data sets. Advocating that governments publish open data under PDDL _should_ be easier than advocating for ODbL because publishing under PDDL is good for OSM, but also good for any other potential use of the data. So, those advocates should be seen as not simply advocating something for the benefit of their own pet project, OSM, but for the benefit of all potential open data users. To advocate that governments support only one specific open data project, even a project as wonderful as OpenStreetMap, could be seen as mere self-interest, rather than enlightened advocacy. Best regards, Richard [1] ODC - OpenDataCommons.org - the same publisher of the ODbL license. [2] PDDL - Public Domain Dedication and License ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Sidewalks
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:08 PM, nicholas ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com wrote: My personal preference is to enable the JOSM sidewalk style and then use the sidewalk:right sidewalk:left, sidewalk:both, or sidewalk:none tags on the actual street. The footpaths are just about useless (as in the example above) as they are not related to the street in anyway. So the routing engine couldn't say turn left onto Maple Street. It could only say turn left. If the tags are on the actual street and not separately mapped, it is much easier for a routing engine. I think Bernie has raised an interesting question with a complicated group of replies. I don't think that we will find One Universally True Answer. As a mapper, I don't always add ordinary sidewalks where I see them. Initially, I thought, I have roads and other things to map, I'll worry about sidewalks later. It was the early days of OSM. Available aerial imagery was much more limited and much lower resolution. When higher resolution aerial imagery became available to us, I had a bit of a freak out. Oh my!!! Look at all the PIXELS!!! I can map sidewalks, and, and, and, and, everything!!! And so I did. I added sidewalks in some of the places that already had roads and schools and parks and rivers, etc. Now, I'm not as consistent, I guess. I'll add interesting walkways that aren't simply parallel to a street. I think adding a pedestrian path between neighbourhoods, and adjacent, non-adjoining streets is worthwhile. As a pedestrian, I use those paths to cut the walking distance to the store, or school. But I generally don't add the ordinary sidewalks. Except when I do add them. The points raised by Gordon and Harald, above, are important. There are routing services for pedestrians and cyclists and they can use separately-drawn sidewalks in ways that they can not extract data from road centerline parameters. I make an effort to properly connect new objects that I map with existing sidewalks, even if I'm not planning to map more sidewalks immediately. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Gouvernement ouvert , Gatineau
Thanks Richard, I better understand the difference between the two licenses. Pierre De : Richard Weait rich...@weait.com À : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Samedi 2 février 2013 4h26 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Gouvernement ouvert , Gatineau I agree that advocacy with all levels of government is important. They seem in general to be interested, and to listen politely, but often to not understand that creating a new license is poison to open data. So it is important to keep talking with them, more and more of them, until they comprehend. Data law is relatively new, in terms of law. Data law is applied unevenly by countries. The very nature of data demands mixing with other data sets. This means that explicit and careful drafting of a license is required so that it will work everywhere without accidentally discriminating against a potential user. I disagree that ODbL is the right license for municipalities or other governments. ODbL is absolutely the right license for OSMF and the OSM community. OSMF must serve the OSM community of mappers, and the share alike provision is important to a substantial portion of the mapping community. ODbL deliberately discriminates against those who would take ODbL data, improve it, and not share the improvements. That is an important and deliberate feature of the ODbL license Governments must serve all of their citizens, even those who would not choose to share. The ODbL share alike provision is not suitable for government publishers who mush serve both their sharing and non-sharing constituents. I recommend that governments publish their open data under ODC PDDL. PDDL allows use, not just in OSM, but in any open data project. PDDL allows use, not just in open data projects, but in closed commercial projects that chose not to share at all. PDDL allows use in all jurisdictions with established data law, but also in jurisdictions where data law is not recognized and copyright law is used to fill the gaps. Governments must serve a broader audience than the OSMF must serve. OpenDataCommons recognize that one Open Data license is not sufficient, and have drafted a suite of licenses. Their licenses are drafted to be compatible, so that PDDL data can be included in ODbL data sets. Advocating that governments publish open data under PDDL _should_ be easier than advocating for ODbL because publishing under PDDL is good for OSM, but also good for any other potential use of the data. So, those advocates should be seen as not simply advocating something for the benefit of their own pet project, OSM, but for the benefit of all potential open data users. To advocate that governments support only one specific open data project, even a project as wonderful as OpenStreetMap, could be seen as mere self-interest, rather than enlightened advocacy. Best regards, Richard [1] ODC - OpenDataCommons.org - the same publisher of the ODbL license. [2] PDDL - Public Domain Dedication and License ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Sidewalks
Bonjour all To add my comments on this topic, I never add ordinary sidewalks except if they are physically separated from the street (not adjacent to). If I had to map them, I would use sidewalk:* tags. I still think as Richard wrote: I have roads and other things to map; I'll worry about sidewalks later. However, having this sidewalk wonderings only means is that the map is really getting detailed! Cheers, Daniel From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: February-02-13 06:15 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Sidewalks On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:08 PM, nicholas ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com wrote: My personal preference is to enable the JOSM sidewalk style and then use the sidewalk:right sidewalk:left, sidewalk:both, or sidewalk:none tags on the actual street. The footpaths are just about useless (as in the example above) as they are not related to the street in anyway. So the routing engine couldn't say turn left onto Maple Street. It could only say turn left. If the tags are on the actual street and not separately mapped, it is much easier for a routing engine. I think Bernie has raised an interesting question with a complicated group of replies. I don't think that we will find One Universally True Answer. As a mapper, I don't always add ordinary sidewalks where I see them. Initially, I thought, I have roads and other things to map, I'll worry about sidewalks later. It was the early days of OSM. Available aerial imagery was much more limited and much lower resolution. When higher resolution aerial imagery became available to us, I had a bit of a freak out. Oh my!!! Look at all the PIXELS!!! I can map sidewalks, and, and, and, and, everything!!! And so I did. I added sidewalks in some of the places that already had roads and schools and parks and rivers, etc. Now, I'm not as consistent, I guess. I'll add interesting walkways that aren't simply parallel to a street. I think adding a pedestrian path between neighbourhoods, and adjacent, non-adjoining streets is worthwhile. As a pedestrian, I use those paths to cut the walking distance to the store, or school. But I generally don't add the ordinary sidewalks. Except when I do add them. The points raised by Gordon and Harald, above, are important. There are routing services for pedestrians and cyclists and they can use separately-drawn sidewalks in ways that they can not extract data from road centerline parameters. I make an effort to properly connect new objects that I map with existing sidewalks, even if I'm not planning to map more sidewalks immediately. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] Dva dotazy
Jasne turisticke stejne jako cyklisticke trasy pomoci relaci :) mrkni na http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions#Turistick.C3.A9_zna.C4.8Den.C3.AD 2013/2/2 Pavel Pilát pavel.pi...@gmail.com: ad 1) JOSM hlásí varování právě pro případ, že by jsi na společný bod zapomněl. V tomto případě se cesty kříží mimoúrovňově - takže to s klidem ignoruj. :) ad 2) turistické trasy se dělají pomocí relací, jestli se nepletu - ale na to odpoví zkušenější. 2013/2/2 Michal Tauchman michal.tauch...@gmail.com: Ahoj, potřeboval bych poradit s těmito záležitostmi: 1) V našem městě je viadukt, na kterém vede železnice a pod mostem prochází silnice. Problém je, že KeepRight mi hlásí chybu chybějící tag railway. Nemohu dam přece dát crossing (pro chodce) ani level_crossing (nejedná se o přejezd). Pokud smažu křížení cest, to mi zase JOSM hlásí varování překřížené cesty. Jak toto korektně zanést? 2) Jak zanést turistické trasy? Už jsem tu kdysi měl dotaz, ale ten už někde zapadl. Bylo mi tam něco doporučeno a tak jsem to zkusil (pomáhal jsem si i OSM Wiki). Problém je, že trasa nebyla vykrelena, tag kct_green - yes byl zanesen, ale v mapě nebyla. Po mne to někdo (konkrétně uživatel wizz) předělal, tag kct smazal a vytvořil trasu. Ta je již vykreslena v mapách korektně. Jak tedy správně zanést turistické cesty? Díky za odpovědi. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Dva dotazy
-- Původní zpráva -- Od: Michal Tauchman michal.tauch...@gmail.com Datum: 2. 2. 2013 Předmět: [Talk-cz] Dva dotazy Ahoj, potřeboval bych poradit s těmito záležitostmi: 1) V našem městě je viadukt, na kterém vede železnice a pod mostem prochází silnice. Problém je, že KeepRight mi hlásí chybu chybějící tag railway. Nemohu dam přece dát crossing (pro chodce) ani level_crossing (nejedná se o přejezd). Pokud smažu křížení cest, to mi zase JOSM hlásí varování překřížené cesty. Jak toto korektně zanést? Nevím, jak konkrétně to máš, ale pokud je železnice na mostě, tak by mělo stačit dát železnici tag bridge=yes a layer=1. Pak by už nikdo řvát neměl. Marián ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz;___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Dva dotazy
Ahoj, ad 2) pokud nahodou to nebyla vykreslena plati pro http://mtbmap.cz tak radeji odpovidam: pro vykresleni na teto mape je nutne zodpovedne uvadet tag osmc:symbol. Bez nej se trasy KCT nevykresli. Martin Dne 2. února 2013 12:10 Michal Tauchman michal.tauch...@gmail.comnapsal(a): Ahoj, potřeboval bych poradit s těmito záležitostmi: 1) V našem městě je viadukt, na kterém vede železnice a pod mostem prochází silnice. Problém je, že KeepRight mi hlásí chybu chybějící tag railway. Nemohu dam přece dát crossing (pro chodce) ani level_crossing (nejedná se o přejezd). Pokud smažu křížení cest, to mi zase JOSM hlásí varování překřížené cesty. Jak toto korektně zanést? 2) Jak zanést turistické trasy? Už jsem tu kdysi měl dotaz, ale ten už někde zapadl. Bylo mi tam něco doporučeno a tak jsem to zkusil (pomáhal jsem si i OSM Wiki). Problém je, že trasa nebyla vykrelena, tag kct_green - yes byl zanesen, ale v mapě nebyla. Po mne to někdo (konkrétně uživatel wizz) předělal, tag kct smazal a vytvořil trasu. Ta je již vykreslena v mapách korektně. Jak tedy správně zanést turistické cesty? Díky za odpovědi. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Dva dotazy
Křížení železnice a silnice může být buď mimoúrovňové, nebo tam může být přejezd. V prvním případě nesmí být mezi oběma liniemi žádný společný bod a na komunikaci, která je výš se vyznačí most tak, že se tato komunikace na koncích mostu rozdělí a mostní úsek se vyznačí jako bridge=yes + layer= 1. V druhém případě tam naopak společný bod být musí, a tem má být otagovaný jako crossing/level_crossing. Pokud není při mapování známé, jak se komunikace kříží, tak je nejlepší to udělat bez společného bodu a mostů - ale potom samozřejmě bude validátor hlásit problém. Turistické trasy by se měli značit pomocí relace route (1), práce s nimi je popsána na 2 a 3. Tagování turistických relací je, jak píše Tomáš na 4; jak píše Martin, je nutné zahrnout mezi relační tagy i osmc:symbol. Prosím všechny, aby pro značení tras používali relace a tagování přímo na waye požívali jen opravdu v odůvodněných případech (například pokud je znám pouze malý zlomek trasy). Taky prosím, aby si zkontrolovali, jestli není trasa přerušená byť jen kratičkými vynechanými úseky (v editoru relací v JOSM stačí trasu seřadit tlačítkem nalevo). [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route [2] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Dialog/RelationEditor [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Advanced_editing#Relations [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic/Editing_ Standards_and_Conventions#Turistick.C3.A9_zna.C4.8Den.C3.AD -- Petr Dlouhý petr.dlo...@email.cz -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Michal Tauchman michal.tauch...@gmail.com Datum: 2. 2. 2013 Předmět: [Talk-cz] Dva dotazy Ahoj, potřeboval bych poradit s těmito záležitostmi: 1) V našem městě je viadukt, na kterém vede železnice a pod mostem prochází silnice. Problém je, že KeepRight mi hlásí chybu chybějící tag railway. Nemohu dam přece dát crossing (pro chodce) ani level_crossing (nejedná se o přejezd). Pokud smažu křížení cest, to mi zase JOSM hlásí varování překřížené cesty. Jak toto korektně zanést? 2) Jak zanést turistické trasy? Už jsem tu kdysi měl dotaz, ale ten už někde zapadl. Bylo mi tam něco doporučeno a tak jsem to zkusil (pomáhal jsem si i OSM Wiki). Problém je, že trasa nebyla vykrelena, tag kct_green - yes byl zanesen, ale v mapě nebyla. Po mne to někdo (konkrétně uživatel wizz) předělal, tag kct smazal a vytvořil trasu. Ta je již vykreslena v mapách korektně. Jak tedy správně zanést turistické cesty? Díky za odpovědi. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz;___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Tag pour Direction générale des Finances publiques
Le message suivant de : ## Bonjour, Je me pose la question suivante: Comment tagger les batiments de la Direction générale des Finances publiques En fait les bâtiments qui importent vraiment sont ceux qui reçoivent du public (là où l'on doit faire des démarches). Wikipedia: [url:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale_des_Finances_publiques]Direction générale des Finances publiques[/url] Par Google, je suis tombé sur deux exemples: * Grenoble: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43471859 * Avignon: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83770584 Un des deux exemples utilise [url=http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_building]amenity=public_building[/url], mais le wiki indique que ce n'est pas une bonne idée. Bref à Mulhouse pour le bâtiment: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/133153891 Je voudrais indiquer quelque chose comme Finances publiques, mais je ne sais pas ce qui est correct. a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2t=493 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleures réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] comment contacter un contributeur?
Le message suivant de : ## Bonjour, s'il vous plait j'aimerais savoir comment contacter une personne qui a apporter des modifications sur la carte OSM? Merci a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2t=494 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleures réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Support publicitaire
Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr wrote: Je suis aussi assez dubitatif sur ce genre de rendu qui peut avoir certains intérêts (on a tous des centres d'intérêts différents et un rendu généraliste ne pourra pas satisfaire tout le monde) mais un tel niveau de détail me perturbe quand on trouve a quelques kilomètres de là des zone ou il manque de la voirie... Il faut suivre les intérêts des 70% de la population mondiale qui habite en ville. Sur ce point je suis très dubitatif... Je suis pas sur que tu puisses te faire, aussi radicalement, l'interprète de l'intérêt de 70% de la population mondiale ;-) Plus sérieusement, l'intérêt d'une cartographie est aussi d'être relativement homogène. Lorsqu'il manque des routes entre des coins (même un peu a l'écart) c'est dommageable pour la qualité globale de la carte et son usage, AMHA. C'est valable pour d'autre éléments que le voirie. -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cantons : tracés suivant les limites d'anciennes communes
Nous sommes plusieurs à avoir mis ces découpages d'anciennes communes en admin_level=10 comme si il s'agissait de quartiers. admin_level=9 n'est à utiliser que pour les arrondissements municipaux (Paris, Lyon, Marseille). Pour conserver le ref:INSEE, un old_ref:INSEE est sûrement une solution (je crois que c'est ce que j'ai mis). Le 2 février 2013 01:28, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Le 1 février 2013 11:36, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Pas mal de cantons continuent de suivre les limites communales d'anciennes communes, et qui ont depuis fusionné avec une autre commune. Où trouver les limites communales de ces anciennes communes ? Notre outil cadastre.openstreetmap.fr ne semble pas les proposer... Moi je me pose la question du fait que les communes nouvelles de 2013 résultant d'une fusion ont encore conservé leur nom et leurs limites aux communes déléguées ou associées qui persistent même s'il n'y a plus qu'un seul conseil municipal fusionné, et que malgré cela on a viré les anciennes relations au lieu de les changer de niveau (9?) ou de les garder sans niveau défini (ou alors old_admin_level=8; avec des tags pour indiquer le statut actuel, susceptible d'évolutions mineures à l'occasion du redessin de certains quartiers avec des microfragments frontaliers réunis au sein des nouvelles communes déléguées ou associées) Comment sont modélisées les communes associées et déléguées dans OSM ??? Ont-elles encore des frontières bien définies ou persistent-elles seulement sur la carte des agglomérations, qui ne sont pas nécessiarement bien joitives au sein d'une même commune, avec des espaces ruraux réunis dans la nouvelle commune fusionnée mais plus attribués à une commune associée ou déléguée ? Je trouve qu'on a été trop rapide à supprimer les anciens tracés, alors qu'on aurait pu changer les statuts pour ne pas les confondre avec les communes nouvelles actuelles. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
