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On 15/06/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Am 15.06.2015 um 01:24 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:

 There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not
 something wanted in OSM.

For the record: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pascal%20Cuoq/diary/1

 who in osm would be able to reject what can be mapped?

It's not rejected, it's discussed and argued about. In the link above,
the mapper was asking for community opinion to begin with.

 To some native farmers those paths may be very significant. The rejection
 reflects a 'western culture'.

I plead guilty of westerner bias in my answer in that blog, but the OP
was mapping in France, so a westerner POV was needed in this case. And
I maintain that animal trails probably should not be mapped in France.

 farmers or hunters? If something is sufficiently significant  to someone
 (and persistent) to map it and potentially maintain the mapping, he will
 just do it, not?

I agree with that, in France or elsewhere. *IF* the trails are
significant, persistent, and OSM-maintainable, they should be mapped.
But I think that the conditions are rarely met. Surely there are
regions of the world where they are more easily met, and asking the
local community will yield a different answer. Hopefully there's a
local OSM community there :)

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[OSM-talk-fr] Question BANO

2015-06-15 Thread Jean-Claude Repetto

Bonjour,
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi la rue Alexis Julien est affichée en rouge :
http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#19/43.64221/7.00963

Une idée ?

Merci d'avance.
Jean-Claude

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Lester Caine

On 15/06/15 11:15, Simon Poole wrote:
 All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying
  to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link?
 ...
 
 We're really getting substantially off topic now.
 
 Apps on android in general don't have specific other apps hardwired to
 perform tasks that they themselves don't handle. They will use a so
 called intent to indicate that they want to do something, for example
 display a location on a map,

The question started with 'remote mapping', and I see no reason that we
can't HELP any other parts of the world. In disaster areas, imagery is
made available fairly promptly and updating the on-line mapping is
something that can be done away from the scene, allowing those on the
ground to get on with the recovery effort, BUT if the local emergency
communications network also allows integration so that remote mappers
can fine tune the details then that has to be a help? Moving away from
the emergency environment, the same tools allow a proper conversation
between bodies in the field, and 'back office' bodies who can use higher
bandwidth connections to do the heavy grunt?

Google may control the platform, but they continue to prove their
unsuitability in that role, so there is perhaps a place for a more open
framework for both mapping and more general data management? Perhaps
managed via f-droid and designed for naive users using simple devices?
But of cause OSMAND does not come under that umbrella :(

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Jo

Also many of our paths started out as animal paths. In some areas they may
be the only way to get from A to B.

Jo

2015-06-15 10:55 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:



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  Am 15.06.2015 um 01:24 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
 
  There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not
 something wanted in OSM.


 who in osm would be able to reject what can be mapped?


  To some native farmers those paths may be very significant. The
 rejection reflects a 'western culture'.


 farmers or hunters? If something is sufficiently significant  to someone
 (and persistent) to map it and potentially maintain the mapping, he will
 just do it, not?

 cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Lester Caine

On 15/06/15 09:59, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
 Do you have any specific ideas on what would make OSM more compeling
 in India ? I'm thinking along the lines of working better with cheap
 phones and bad/expensive network coverage.Maybe smarter
 surveying/editing tools. Maybe a combined Mapillary photo + OSM note
 app.Maybe offline maps that are cut into smaller pieces.Maybe a smart
 social media campaing.

You think it's only India that has problems with bad/expensive network
coverage? I can't drive down the M5 without loosing a data connection,
so OSMAND is the only way to work and that works on cheap android
devices. I've actually got it running on a £40 tablet for a bigger sat
nav display ...

All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying
to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link?

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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM

2015-06-15 Thread Simone

Anche per sono enormi le potenzialità, resta da risolvere e capire le eventuali 
voci ambigue su wikipedia ( quelle che generano pagine di disambiguazione dove 
si sceglie l'una o l'altra voce presentata.), questo per dar un rag unico che 
per me é il wikidata, quello di wikipedia da quel momento diventa superfluo 
come dato cartografico.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Eric Brosselin - Osm



Il y a en tous cas une grande diversité de dangers potentiels (animaux) 
et donc de panneaux.

Juste quelques liens pour illustrer cela.

Adaptation à la faune locale
Une histoire vraie : 
http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/oise-60/a-villotran-les-ralentisseurs-ce-sont-les-canards-18-09-2013-3145995.php
Le panneau : 
http://s3.lprs1.fr/images/2013/09/18/3145995_11-0-3683594380.jpg


Noter les variantes des biches
http://www.jacky-latrubesse.com/galerie/theme.asp?pre=865Rubrique=886suiv=1445
http://acustomtripplanning.com/2012/04/12/hey-look-at-that-one/
http://www.changesinlongitude.com/unusual-animal-crossing-signs-around-the-world/
http://www.buvettedesalpages.be/2009/02/asturies-des-panneaux-indicateurs-pour-prevenir-de-la-presence-d-ours-brun.html

Diversité des dangers  
http://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/wildlife-crossing-sign.html (2 
pages)
Attention crapauds   
http://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/toad-crossing-road-sign.html

Existe en Allemagne , Pays-Bas il me semble : C'est taggué ?
Spécial canards  
http://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/duck-crossing-sign.html

etc

En plus de lire les panneaux il faut apprendre à manœuvrer  ;-)
http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-a-Moose-or-Deer-Collision


Bon et cette variante de biche ? ;-)
http://www.lejsl.com/edition-charolais-brionnais/2014/12/01/des-panneaux-cibles-d-artistes-farceurs
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole



Am 15.06.2015 um 11:37 schrieb Lester Caine:
...
 
 All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying
 to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link?
 
...

We're really getting substantially off topic now.

Apps on android in general don't have specific other apps hardwired to
perform tasks that they themselves don't handle. They will use a so
called intent to indicate that they want to do something, for example
display a location on a map, see

https://developer.android.com/guide/components/intents-common.html#Maps

the Android system will them either provide the user a selection of the
apps that have indicated that they can perform the requested action, or,
if the user has indicated the preferred app for a task, use that.

The latter can naturally be changed by the user. Both OSMand and
Vespucci support geo URIs on android.


https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/android/intents

lists all the intents that google maps support. I have to say that I
haven't tested if all of these can be changed in the above fashion, it
is obvious from the documentation that google has made that a bit
harder. It would be interesting to see if you could convince android to
at least offer the option of starting Mapillary instead of Streetview.

Simon



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Re: [Talk-lv] Rīgas adrešu punktu imports no opendata.riga.lv

2015-06-15 Thread Vitaly Bolshakov


Sveiks, Rich!

Pievienoju permalink, tagad var norādīt interesējošas vietas uz kartes,  
piemēram  
http://bolshakov.lv/osm#map=17/56.95171505435233/24.113380908966064


Ar cieņu, Vitālijs.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:43:51 +0300, Rich ric...@nakts.net wrote:


oo, ideaali - iespeeja katram paarbaudiit sev zinaamos regjionus
starp citu, vai buutu sarezhgjiiti pielikt permalink fiichu ? labpraat
paraadiitu dazhas vietas/lietas apsprieshanai, bet pagruuti (piemeeram,
rimi staavvietaa ir 2 laikam veesturiskas adreses  )
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping



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 Am 15.06.2015 um 01:24 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
 
 There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not something 
 wanted in OSM.


who in osm would be able to reject what can be mapped?


 To some native farmers those paths may be very significant. The rejection 
 reflects a 'western culture'.


farmers or hunters? If something is sufficiently significant  to someone (and 
persistent) to map it and potentially maintain the mapping, he will just do it, 
not?

cheers 
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] annuaire service-public.fr - Banque de France

2015-06-15 Thread Romain MEHUT

Bonjour,

Sauf que building=public ne peut pas s'appliquer à tous les cas de figure
si le bâtiment de localisation de la succursale n'est pas entièrement dédié
à la banque.
Et le tag amenity=public_building n'est plus en vigueur.

Romain

Le 12 juin 2015 00:26, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft jb.holcr...@gmail.com a
écrit :

 Concernant la Banque de France, pour moi les succursales sont des banques
 amenity=bank, avec des mission de service publique supplémentaires donc
 building=public et comme operator Banque de France. Quelqu'un a une autre
 suggestion ?

 Le siège me semble cependant mal tagué :
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/54046037
 Un exemple existant sur une succursale (le nom est erroné) :
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42578893
 --
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 Le 11 juin 2015 23:23, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :

 ça intéresse pas grand monde, c'est moins intéressant que des biches
 (surtout des biches avec des bois!).

 j'ai mis là la liste des organismes present (avec leur nombre) et la tête
 du xml avec des tags osm que je verrais bien :


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oc-h_ieXFIoB_Ud9M1bev-zhkgg5RehwF2VNq3xyPn4/edit?usp=sharing


 Le 11 juin 2015 02:18, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :

 la source c'est 62000 fichiers xml (ça devait déjà être du même genre vu
 ça :
 https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/merge_data/service_public_FR.rb
 ).
 De la forme (j'ai rien trouver qui donner toute les possibilités) :

 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 Organisme id=mairie-01041-01 codeInsee=01041
 dateMiseAJour=2014-12-04
pivotLocal=mairie
NomMairie de Bettant/Nom
EditeurSourceLa Direction de l'information légale et administrative
 (Premier ministre)/EditeurSource
Adresse type=géopostale
   Ligne15, route de Saint-Denis/Ligne
   CodePostal01500/CodePostal
   NomCommuneBettant/NomCommune
   Localisation
  Latitude45.9453010559/Latitude
  Longitude5.35293006897/Longitude
  Précision6/Précision
   /Localisation
   Accessibilité type=ACC/
/Adresse
CoordonnéesNum
   Téléphone+33 4 74 46 82 51/Téléphone
   Télécopie+33 4 74 46 04 63/Télécopie
   Emailmairiedebett...@wanadoo.fr/Email
   Urlhttp://www.truc.truc/Url
/CoordonnéesNum
Ouverture
   PlageJ début=jeudi fin=vendredi
  PlageH début=15:30:00 fin=17:30:00/
   /PlageJ
   PlageJ début=samedi fin=samedi
  PlageH début=10:00:00 fin=12:00:00/
   /PlageJ
   PlageJ début=lundi fin=mardi
  PlageH début=15:30:00 fin=17:30:00/
  Noteil peut il y avoir des notes/Note
   /PlageJ
/Ouverture
 /Organisme

 Si l'adresse physique et postale ne sont pas les même il y a ça comme
 adresse à la place :

 Adresse type=physique
   Ligne9 boulevard Victor-Hugo/Ligne
   CodePostal06130/CodePostal
   NomCommuneGrasse/NomCommune
   Localisation
  Latitude43.6556416/Latitude
  Longitude6.9195698/Longitude
  Précision8/Précision
   /Localisation
   Accessibilité type=ACC/
/Adresse
Adresse type=postale
   LigneCaisse d'allocations familiales des Alpes-Maritimes/Ligne
   CodePostal06175/CodePostal
   NomCommuneNice Cedex 2/NomCommune
/Adresse


 Sinon pour ce qui est des tags je sais pas trop, c'est pour ça que je
 l'ai écrit ça sur la liste pour avoir d'autres opinions sur les tag
 contact: , opening_hours ...
 Bien sur garder les tag présent avec l'ancienne version.
 Apres facile avec les mairie, il y a un tag pour mais que fait-t-on des :
 Banque de France (succursale),
 Caisse d’allocations familiales (CAF) ,
 Chambre d’agriculture,
 Groupement d'établissements publics d'enseignement (Greta),
 Mutualité sociale agricole (MSA), réseau local ,
 ...
 ...
 ...
 (voir http://www.service-public.fr/info/docs/liste-type-organisme.pdf )


 Le 10 juin 2015 22:42, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a
 écrit :

 Bonjour,
 Oui la mise à jour est manuelle est donc pas vraiment fréquente. Pour
 les données déjà présentes c'est les mêmes colonnes avec le même format de
 contenu ?  Pour faire une simple mise à jour.
 Pour l'ajout un pull request serait le bien venu. Ou au moins une liste
 de tags et de colonnes pour faire le mapping.

 Frédéric.
 Le 10 juin 2015 14:20, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a
 écrit :

 Bonjour,

 L'annuaire de service-public.fr est disponible depuis longtemps et il
 permet grâce à osmose d’intégrer des mairies et d'autres services publics
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=8110).
 La source de donnée n'a pas évolué dans osmose et date de 2 ans, les
 données a jour sont ici :

 https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/service-public-fr-annuaire-de-l-administration-base-de-donnees-locales/
 la localisation me semble meilleur, là dans osmose il y a pas mal de
 mairie positionné dans la mauvaise commune...
 ça pourrait être bien de changer pour des données plus à jours.

 Il y a aussi

Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Marc Gemis

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no
 personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for
 money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea that runs
 against the spirit of OSM.


I wonder what you think of holiday-mapping. Does not have this the same
problems as remote mapping ?
I'm thinking here of e.g. Overlanders that will map campsites and other
tourist information on a otherwise possibly empty map in Africa or Asia.
But I also thought that there are other popular holiday destination in e.g.
Europe that were mapped by tourists instead a locals.

Do you see this as a problem as well ?

regards

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM Re: comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Francescu GAROBY

Philippe :
* Primo, mon propos était une boutade ;
* secundo : pour être né et avoir vécu 21 ans en Corse, je sais que les
cochons ne sont pas en ville ! Par contre, les vaches en divagation que tu
te prends en sortie de virage, je l'ai déjà vu...

Francescu
(qui arrête là cette discussion)

Le 15 juin 2015 11:12, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :

 Le 15 juin 2015 08:31, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit :

 En Corse, on ne met pas de panneaux pour les cochons ou les vaches, sinon
 il en faudrait tous les 10 mètres...


 Les cochons ne sont pas partout (pas en ville) mais dans les routes de
 montagne. Concernant les vaches, c'est plutôt rare : elles restent dans
 leurs enclos, mais pas les cochons qui se faufilent partout et n'hésitent
 pas à bousculer aussi cyclistes et piétons.

 Cependant des touristes qui s'aventurent dans l'arrière-pays peuvent être
 surpris et je pense qu'à l'entrée de ces routes qui sortent du milieu
 urbain côtier avec leur véhicule de location, de tels panneaux seraient
 utiles

 Espérons que les loueurs de véhicules préviennent leurs clients touristes
 de la présence fréquente de ces animaux sur les routes corses, et aussi de
 l'usage quasiment obligatoire de l'avertisseur sonore avant chaque virage
 en montagne (ce qui demande aussi de rouler vitre ouverte, de baisser
 l'autoradio, et de l'attention à la fois visuelle et auditive, d'autant
 plus que les virages ont peu de visibilité, peu larges, et sont dangereux
 par leurs accélérations : les limites de vitesse ne sont clairement pas
 suffisantes, il faudrait là aussi des panneaux partout si on ne veut pas
 forcer tout le monde à rouler partout à 30 km/h sur ces routes rurales).

 Maintenant c'est un marché tentant pour les vendeurs de panneaux (mais les
 petites municipalités corses n'ont pas les moyens de se les offrir et les
 entretenir).

 ---

 On a le cas similaire dans le nord des Deux-Sèvres avec les lapins
 (souvent bien gros) présents en nombre sur les routes rurales le soir (même
 les principales départementales) autour de Bressuire. Comme ces routes sont
 assez tortueuses, avec des dénivelés importants et changeants souvent, la
 visibilité est réduite en sommet de côte.

 Le danger d'ailleurs n'est pas que les lapins mais aussi les véhicules
 venant en face qu'on voit au dernier moment et qui ne respectent pas les
 lignes continues centrales... à cause du très mauvais état des routes, et
 des virages en épingle à cheveux mal balisés qui peuvent surprendre même en
 freinant. Ce n'est pas la montagne mais les routes sont faites comme en
 montagne et il y a aussi des arbres et murets sur les bas-côtés (très peu
 larges et très instables quand il y a un fossé).

 Ces routes ont été tracées il y a de siècles quand on circulait encore à
 cheval, elles n'ont pas été reprofilées quand elles ont été bitumées et
 même pas quand des villages et habitations se sont progressivement
 construits autour, et le passage maintenant des poids lourds n'arrange
 rien. Si on ne connait pas le coin et ne pas stresser longtemps en
 conduisant, il vaut mieux allonger le trajet et rester sur les autoroutes
 ou grandes nationales (la route Niort-Bressuire, les deux principales
 villes du département, est une horreur surtout justement à près de Niort et
 près de Bressuire, le reste ce sont de longues lignes droites mais en
 montagnes russes avec des petits carrefours non signalés! il vaut mieux
 allonger un peu en passant par Parthenay mais ce n'est même pas la route
 indiquée sur les panneaux... et par les navigateurs GPS qui facilement vous
 envoient à l'aventure et qui facilement vous trouvent des chemins qui ne
 sont que des chemins de cailloux et de boue, pour tracteurs où on peut
 s'enliser car le bitume a disparu il y a longtemp ou est complètement
 fracturé par les hivers successifs: il n'y a plus aucun entretien mais là
 encore aucun panneau avant d'y entrer pour prévenir que ce n'est que pour
 les résidents locaux ou les engins agricoles).

 Bref, taguer les panneaux pour animaux je veux bien, mais il y a du ménage
 à faire aussi sur le réseau routier à déclasser (pas que dans OSM
 d'ailleurs, car ce n'est pas mieux avec les cartes de NavTec ou Google
 basées sur des imports de données très anciennes ou des images aériennes
 prises dans des périodes très favorables où elles semblent en bon état et
 même sembler plus larges qu'elles ne sont réellement dans leur partie
 roulable) ; même le cadastre n'est pas à jour, il n'a gardé en fait que
 les limites de parcelles mais pas de trace de la bande roulable même quand
 elle est sensée être entretenue par la commune ou le département !

 Il faut encore attendre qu'il y ait un accident grave pour qu'il y ait des
 travaux ponctuels et quelques panneaux posés suite à l'intervention du
 préfet (mais vite oubliés ensuite). Les routes étaient nettement mieux
 entretenues de façon continue (et même préventive par des inspections
 saisonnières régulières pour vite boucher les

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Florian LAINEZ

Il me semble tout à fait prioritaire d'ajouter celui-là sur
panneauxbiche.com ^^
https://customtripplanning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/stripper.jpg
Plus sérieusement il y a en effet une grande diversité de panneaux. D'où
l'intérêt de les décrire correctement et précisément dans OSM

2015-06-15 11:56 GMT+02:00 Eric Brosselin - Osm o...@eric.brosselin.net:


 Il y a en tous cas une grande diversité de dangers potentiels (animaux) et
 donc de panneaux.
 Juste quelques liens pour illustrer cela.

 Adaptation à la faune locale
 Une histoire vraie :
 http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/oise-60/a-villotran-les-ralentisseurs-ce-sont-les-canards-18-09-2013-3145995.php
 Le panneau :
 http://s3.lprs1.fr/images/2013/09/18/3145995_11-0-3683594380.jpg

 Noter les variantes des biches

 http://www.jacky-latrubesse.com/galerie/theme.asp?pre=865Rubrique=886suiv=1445
 http://acustomtripplanning.com/2012/04/12/hey-look-at-that-one/

 http://www.changesinlongitude.com/unusual-animal-crossing-signs-around-the-world/

 http://www.buvettedesalpages.be/2009/02/asturies-des-panneaux-indicateurs-pour-prevenir-de-la-presence-d-ours-brun.html

 Diversité des dangers 
 http://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/wildlife-crossing-sign.html  (2
 pages)
 Attention crapauds  
 http://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/toad-crossing-road-sign.html
 Existe en Allemagne , Pays-Bas il me semble : C'est taggué ?
 Spécial canards 
 http://www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/duck-crossing-sign.html
 etc

 En plus de lire les panneaux il faut apprendre à manœuvrer  ;-)
 http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-a-Moose-or-Deer-Collision


 Bon et cette variante de biche ? ;-)

 http://www.lejsl.com/edition-charolais-brionnais/2014/12/01/des-panneaux-cibles-d-artistes-farceurs

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Philippe Verdy

Le 15 juin 2015 12:35, Florian LAINEZ winner...@free.fr a écrit :

 Il me semble tout à fait prioritaire d'ajouter celui-là sur
panneauxbiche.com ^^
https://customtripplanning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/stripper.jpg

Donc après le panneau [Danger cerfs-volants],  il va falloir signaler aussi
les [gazelles] à l'orée des bois...
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread maning sambale

 There is no remote mapper that I know of that believes they can produce a
better map than a local can ... Sharing the remote burden all over the
world instead of a small local populace, probably with limited internet
connectivity, hardware and leisure time - to me that can only be a good
thing.

Agree. I dont think it should be a hardline stance of local vs remote.
There should be balance. For example, remotely mapping roads is useful for
us since it provides an initial framework for newbies to add POIs.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Question BANO

2015-06-15 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry

Bonjour,

 De: Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr
 
 Je ne comprends pas pourquoi la rue Alexis Julien est affichée en
 rouge :
 http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#19/43.64221/7.00963
 
 Une idée ?

Le rouge concerne ici les données BAN. La cause a priori est le code Fantoir, 
qui n'est pas rapproché car obsolète depuis 1994 : 061520441Z, au lieu du code 
actuel utilisé dans BANO : 061520170E. Donc pas grand chose à faire côté 
données OSM en l'état.

vincent

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[Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Aziende, uffici e quant'altro

2015-06-15 Thread Max1234Ita

Ciao a tutti,
Mi è capitato recentemente di attraersare a piedi una zona industriale (non
mappata, ovviamente) e di non sapere come taggare molte delle attività ivi
presenti.

Qualche esempio (i nomi sono di fantasia):

- TecnoCart - Azienda che produce macchinari per la cartotecnica 

- Frisco - Azienda leader nelle Telecomunicazioni (Uffici della sede
italiana) 

- Fratelli Rossi - Profilati in alluminio

- AirPress - Compressori industriali

- Di Tutti i Colori Srl - fabbrica di vernici

- Studio Bianchi  Verdi - Architetti

- Dott. Massimo della Pena - Ufficio Legale


E così via. Sono sicuro che sia una lacuna mia: sono troppi casi perchè si
tratti di argomenti non coperti dal Wiki. 

Qualcuno potrebbe darmi una dritta su cosa e dove guardare?

Ciao e grazie in anticipo,
Max



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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Joseph Reeves

Agree. I dont think it should be a hardline stance of local vs remote.
There should be balance. For example, remotely mapping roads is useful for
us since it provides an initial framework for newbies to add POIs.

Indeed, I've written up the same experience with remote building tracing:

http://hotosm.org/updates/2012-09-24_from_remote_tracing_to_field_mapping_in_padang

Photo'd:

https://twitter.com/iknowjoseph/status/248298952661811201

Cheers, Joseph






On 15 June 2015 at 12:40, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:


  There is no remote mapper that I know of that believes they can produce
 a better map than a local can ... Sharing the remote burden all over the
 world instead of a small local populace, probably with limited internet
 connectivity, hardware and leisure time - to me that can only be a good
 thing.

 Agree. I dont think it should be a hardline stance of local vs remote.
 There should be balance. For example, remotely mapping roads is useful for
 us since it provides an initial framework for newbies to add POIs.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

On 15/06/2015, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maps are a relatively new concept in Indian society and is still used only
 by a small minority in urban areas in daily life. Naturally one cannot
 expect strong OSM communities at this stage till maps gain wider
 reach. Remote mapping in cases like this can serve to catalyze the process
 by making the maps more attractive to use. I happened to talk about a few
 of these points in my lightning talk at SOTMUS last week which might give
 more context on mapping in India:

 https://youtu.be/4fK_cWhCQbE?t=22m1s

 Devoting more resources to make these maps and tools accessible to the
 common person would be more fruitful than worrying about colonizing
 countries by remote mapping.

Do you have any specific ideas on what would make OSM more compeling
in India ? I'm thinking along the lines of working better with cheap
phones and bad/expensive network coverage.Maybe smarter
surveying/editing tools. Maybe a combined Mapillary photo + OSM note
app.Maybe offline maps that are cut into smaller pieces.Maybe a smart
social media campaing.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson


Þann 15.6.2015 10:07, skrifaði Marc Gemis:


On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org 
mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote:


   I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no
personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for
fun, for
money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea
that runs
against the spirit of OSM.


I wonder what you think of holiday-mapping. Does not have this the 
same problems as remote mapping ?
I'm thinking here of e.g. Overlanders that will map campsites and 
other tourist information on a otherwise possibly empty map in Africa 
or Asia.
But I also thought that there are other popular holiday destination in 
e.g. Europe that were mapped by tourists instead a locals.


Do you see this as a problem as well ?
I'm assuming no. I watch changesets in Iceland and we get a fair number 
of tourist changesets, which we welcome (and fix if needed - spelling 
mostly).


In 2009 Frederik gave an interview to Steve Coast where he said his 
biggest fear was that OSM would go towards elitism - that only certain 
people would be allowed to map. I'm hoping he hasn't changed his mind 
(although that is of course everyones prerogative). 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN1pjZsL1mA


Defining areas to be local and to only be touched by locals and, worse, 
forming their own unique cultural mapping style (buildings are now 
lines, roads are areas etc) that would be incompatible with the rest of 
the map, these things would be a form of elitism, no outsiders allowed.


There is no remote mapper that I know of that believes they can produce 
a better map than a local can, as I've categorized it in my tool then 
mapping is at least a two phase action, one that can be done remotely 
and the other locally. Sharing the remote burden all over the world 
instead of a small local populace, probably with limited internet 
connectivity, hardware and leisure time - to me that can only be a good 
thing.


No village left behind.

--Jói


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Re: [Talk-cat] name:ca a qualsevol lloc?

2015-06-15 Thread Joan Montané

El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 10:35, César Martínez Izquierdo 
cesar@gmail.com ha escrit:


 Però per poder fer totes aquestes combinacions, la base de dades ha de
 contenir name:ca i name:es allà on existeixin. Per això crec que no
 hem de prendre aquestes decisions prèvies durant l'edició, si no
 tenir les opcions a la base de dades i d'aquesta manera donar
 possibilitats als usuaris de les dades.


La idea de l'OSM és aquesta. Qualsevol pot introduir un name:xx. En el
nostres cas, els name:ca sempre que tingui sentit. No conec ningú que es
posi a traduir toponònims al català perquè sí. Tots els topònims en
català que conec són justificats per relacions històriques (l'Havana i
Andalusia, però Huelva). En general, si un topònim té forma en català
**documentada**, caldria posar-lo en el name:ca. El que **no** hem de fer
és traduir topònims a tort i a dret sense una documentació que ho
justifiqui.

Com diu en Cèsar, cada aplicació després usarà les dades segons el desig i
propòsit del desenvolupador o equip de desenvolupadors.

Per exemple, nominatim i OSM, usen l'user-agent declarat pel navegador. Com
deia en un altre missatge, això té pros i contres. En la majoria de casos
és una bona opció. En el nostre cas, atesa la nostra situació
sociolingüística, i per simplificar-ho, resulta que la gent amb un
navegador en castellà ( gran part de l'estat espanyol, incloent-hi més d'un
50% dels usuaris catalans) veuran els topònims en espanyol en fer una
cerca. Això és bo? crec que no.

La gran majoria de topònims en espanyol de Catalunya i altres zones on
l'espanyol no era majoritari són a causa d'un període històric nefast. No
és el mateix cas els topònims Lérida o Gerona, tradiconals en espanyol des
de tota la vida, que, per posar un exemple, San Baudilio de Llobregat,
San Cucufate del Vallés o Sardañola del Vallés. No hi podem fer gaire cosa
des de talk-cat. Només assegurar-nos que el name:ca sigui arreu on tingui
sentit, que les dades del name i name:ca siguin correctes, i intentar
que el name:es no sigui gaire estrafolari. No m'agradaria que a OSM
apareguessin els toponònims de la Wikipedia ES, compareu [1] i [2]. Ho
podrem impedir? difícilment. Ningú no té autoritat sobre els name:xx.

Tot el que està relacionat amb els exònims (topònims estrangers o en una
altra llengua) són maldecaps. A nivell internacional s'intentat evitar la
creació de nous exònims, però clar... una cosa és la voluntat i l'altra la
realitat.

Per posar un exemple llunyà. Pequín [3]. És un topònim catalanitzat a
partir del topònim anglès Peking o del francès Pékin. Resulta que els
xinesos odien profundament el topònim Peking, els recorda l'època colonial.
Els darrers anys han aconseguit recuperar el topònim Beijing a nivell
internacional. De fet, surt així a la Wikipedia anglesa [4] i a OSM [5].
Quan de temps apareixerà Pequín (i similars) a OSM? no ho sabem, però estic
segur que els xinesos faran tot els possible per a anar-ho canviant cap a
Beijing (i similars). Potser d'aquí uns anys aquesta fitxa [6] de l'ésadir
l'hauran de canviar.


Per cert, [2] no té name:ca, però sí name:es :(

Atentament,
Joan Montané


[1] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarda%C3%B1ola_del_Vall%C3%A9s
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/346442
[3] https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pequ%C3%ADn
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing
[5] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/25248662
[6] http://esadir.cat/Toponims/Toponims_del_mon/Asia/Xina/Pequin
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[Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM

Ciao a tutti.
qualche giorno fa mi sono guardato questo interessantissimo video sulla
conferenza riguardante i wikidata in osm avvenuto al SotMUS 2015 [1]e 
tenuto da Andy Mabbett 
è stato presentato il progetto wikidata e i vantaggi che porta l'utilizzo di
questo unito ad osm.
Purtroppo ci si è concentrati sul fatto che il value dell'eventuale tag da
inserire in osm non fosse leggibile dalle persone (è solo una Q seguita da
cifre che indicano l'elemento nel DB wikidata) e del fatto che l'ipotesi di
aggiungere il tag tramite bot non fosse da molti ben vista (complice il
risultato mediocre di molti import avvenuti in passato).
A mio avviso i vantaggi sono innumerevoli dall'utilizzo di questo tag e
quindi volevo sapere che idea avesse la community italiana al riguardo sia
per quanto riguarda il loro utilizzo sia per quanto riguarda la metodologia
utilizzata per inserirli.
Siete favorevoli e contrari ad un loro utilizzo? se favorevoli preferite che
sia in sostituzione del tag wikipedia o contemporaneo ad esso (ricordo che i
due sono interconnessi)?
Sareste favorevoli al eventuale uso di un bot per l'aggiunta o no? se si
come dovrebbe funzionare? mettendo il tag wikidata sfruttando il tag
wikipedia o facendo un confronto nome/posizione indicati in wikidata e osm
come prospettato da Andy Mabbett 
Se non siete favorevoli al bot preferireste un metodo/tool/pagina che elenca
i contenuti wikidata raggiungibili (come fatto per il tag wikipedia) e poi
fare una aggiunta (semi)manuale?

L'utilizzo dei wikidata ha secondo me enormi ripercussioni positive sul
progetto osm e potrebbe portare alla creazione di strumenti di QA per
validare/verificare i dati nei DB di entrambi i progetti o permettere
l'estrazione di informazioni da parte di computer/algoritmi in maniera più
semplice che analizzando il solo db OSM (per esempio l'appartenenza ad un
territorio/amministrazione). Più molti altri vantaggi 

Che ne pensate?



[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6pnDQcrtwQ



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 Am 15.06.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Max1234Ita max1234...@gmail.com:
 
 Ciao a tutti,
 Mi è capitato recentemente di attraersare a piedi una zona industriale (non
 mappata, ovviamente) e di non sapere come taggare molte delle attività ivi
 presenti.


purtroppo i dettagli non sono quasi mai previsti (cosa si produce per esempio)
ma dei tags basici ci sono 

 
 
 Qualche esempio (i nomi sono di fantasia):
 
 - TecnoCart - Azienda che produce macchinari per la cartotecnica 


man_made=works


 
 - Frisco - Azienda leader nelle Telecomunicazioni (Uffici della sede
 italiana) 


office=telecom


 
 - Fratelli Rossi - Profilati in alluminio


cosa fanno con i profilati? Li producono? 
Qual'è la scala? (man_made=works oppure craft)


 
 - AirPress - Compressori industriali


vedi sopra


 
 - Di Tutti i Colori Srl - fabbrica di vernici


man_made=works


 
 - Studio Bianchi  Verdi - Architetti


office=architect


 
 - Dott. Massimo della Pena - Ufficio Legale


office=(dovresti vedere in taginfo/wiki)

ciao 

MArtin
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Re: [Talk-br] Reunião Periodica - OSM Brasil‏

2015-06-15 Thread Thierry Jean

Caros,
 
Como a reunião não aconteceu (mal entendido) a semana passada, vamos fazer uma 
nesta quarta feira dia 17/6/15 das 12h às 13h. Principal assunto: Como lançar o 
projeto de banco de dado de endereços aberto?
 
 



Time: Jun 17, 2015 12:00 PM (GMT-3:00) Sao Paulo .


Join from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5694747229


Or join by phone:


+55 21 3958 7888 (Brazil Toll)


Meeting ID: 569 474 7229 


International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference 



Thierry Jean
+55 11 996071319



 
From: thierryaj...@hotmail.com
To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 01:39:05 -0300
Subject: [Talk-br] Reunião Periodica - OSM Brasil‏




Caros,
 
Como a reunião foi bem produtiva a semana passada, vamos ter outra já esta 
semana.
 
 
Thierry Jean is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. 
Topic: Thierry Jean's Personal Meeting Room
Join from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5694747229
 
Or join by phone:
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Meeting ID: 569 474 7229 
International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference 
 

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+55 11 99607 1319


 
  

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

On 15/06/2015, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
 You think it's only India that has problems with bad/expensive network
 coverage?

Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local
community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks
could improve things. Since this thread mentions the westerner bias
a lot, I prefer to ask to get educated about a particular local
community.

 I can't drive down the M5 without loosing a data connection,

Me too, losing network on the go, I hate it. But let's be honest :
this pales in comparison to the coverage issues in many countries
(presumably like India, but my experience in the matter is getting
old).

 so OSMAND is the only way to work and that works on cheap android
 devices. I've actually got it running on a £40 tablet for a bigger sat
 nav display ...

 All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying
 to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link?

I've got a pretty good todo-list of what would improve my European OSM
contributor's life, but I was curious about India. It has a huge
population, good level of IT skills, offline functionality needs,
good-but-not-great Google maps... It ought to be a prime location for
OSM to shine, but it isn't (yet). I wonder why.

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Re: [Talk-lv] Rīgas adrešu punktu imports no opendata.riga.lv

2015-06-15 Thread Vitaly Bolshakov


Labdien!

Ir labi pamanīts! Būs laikam tādus gadījumus arī jāizlabo OSM (adrešu  
sarakstā tādu atstarpju nav starp numuriem un burtiem). Ja tādu gadījumu  
neatradis daudz, tad mēģināšu manuāli izlabot.


Ar cieņu, Vitālijs

On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:54:21 +0300, Viesturs Zarins viest...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Izsktās tīri ok.

Vienu lietu pamanīju - Brīvības gatve 212A -  
http://bolshakov.lv/osm#map=19/56.97040114477699/24.15818452835083

Tipa ir adrese bet ar mazo burtu un atstarpi.
Mos var uztaisīt lai automātiski atrod esošās adreses kas ir līzīgas  
līdz lielajiem/mazajiem burtiem un atstarpēm un izlabo tās.



Viesturs


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Re: [Talk-cat] Enroda't i Fòrum TIC Social

2015-06-15 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran

Molt bé, ànims! Però tot i que a molts us agrada el Mapillary, si us
plau, no el confongueu amb OpenStreetMap.


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[Talk-it] opening_hours: mappa ed evaluation tool

2015-06-15 Thread Damjan Gerl

Ciao a tutti!
Volevo solamente segnalare a chi non lo conosce ancora il sito 
openingh.openstreetmap.de [1] che mostra in tempo reale se un dato esercizio o 
altro sia aperto o no. Inoltre è anche molto utile, perché mostra i vari errori 
nel tag opening_hours. Si basa sulla libreria javascript opening_hours.js [2]. 
Esiste anche una pagina evaluation tool, dove potete testare e validare i 
parametri da mettere nel tag opening_hours [3].

Questa mia mail vorrebbe essere di sprono per usare questi tool per correggere 
gli errori che si trovano ma anche per usare il tag opening_hours il più 
possibile. Ricordatevi di usare anche l'opzione PH (public holiday), per es. 
come in Mo-Fr 10:00-20:00; PH off che sta ad indicare che l'esercizio rimane 
chiuso durante le festività nazionali. Da notare inoltre che la libreria 
javascript opening_hours.js dispone già anche delle festività italiane :-).

Buon tagging con gli opening_hours!
Damjan


[1] 
http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/?setLng=itzoom=16lat=41.89061lon=12.48896layers=B0Tfilter=nonetags=opening_hours
[2] https://github.com/ypid/opening_hours.js
[3] http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/?setLng=it

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 Am 15.06.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
 
 c'era anche una discussione su talk in questi giorni


è lungo, ma contiene tanti argomenti 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-May/072982.html
e risposte...


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] opening_hours: mappa ed evaluation tool

2015-06-15 Thread Matteo Zaffonato

Grazie mille, questo tool può venire utile per un futuro mapping party 
in quel dell'Alto Vicentino.


Matteo


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Question BANO

2015-06-15 Thread Donat ROBAUX

Bonjour,

J'en profite. Est-ce que le fichier Fantoir de 2015 est opérationnel pour
Bano, c'est-à-dire que les rapprochements se font? et la liste brute à jour?
Sur http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ le copyright est toujours à
2014.

Donat



 -- Message transféré --
 From: Vincent de Château-Thierry osm.v...@free.fr
 To: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
 Cc:
 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:15:32 +0200 (CEST)
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Question BANO
 Bonjour,

  De: Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr
 
  Je ne comprends pas pourquoi la rue Alexis Julien est affichée en
  rouge :
 
 http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#19/43.64221/7.00963
 
  Une idée ?

 Le rouge concerne ici les données BAN. La cause a priori est le code
 Fantoir, qui n'est pas rapproché car obsolète depuis 1994 : 061520441Z, au
 lieu du code actuel utilisé dans BANO : 061520170E. Donc pas grand chose à
 faire côté données OSM en l'état.

 vincent





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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Question BANO

2015-06-15 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry


 De: Donat ROBAUX dona...@gmail.com
 
 J'en profite. Est-ce que le fichier Fantoir de 2015 est opérationnel
 pour Bano, c'est-à-dire que les rapprochements se font? et la liste
 brute à jour?
 Sur http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ le copyright est
 toujours à 2014.

Ah, le copyright, voilà l'ennemi ! :)
On utilise actuellement le 1er millésime de 2015, à savoir janvier, sachant 
qu'un second est apparu (avril). Il va falloir corriger la mention de 
copyright... et remettre à jour la source. Ça témoigne d'un ralentissement dans 
la maintenance de BANO au printemps, mais la saison des SOTM et autres 
lancements BAN étant passée, on va pouvoir reprendre une activité normale :)

vincent

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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM



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 Am 15.06.2015 um 12:41 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com:
 
 A mio avviso i vantaggi sono innumerevoli dall'utilizzo di questo tag


+1
c'era anche una discussione su talk in questi giorni



 e
 quindi volevo sapere che idea avesse la community italiana al riguardo sia
 per quanto riguarda il loro utilizzo sia per quanto riguarda la metodologia
 utilizzata per inserirli.
 Siete favorevoli e contrari ad un loro utilizzo?


favorevole 


 se favorevoli preferite che
 sia in sostituzione del tag wikipedia o contemporaneo ad esso (ricordo che i
 due sono interconnessi)?


contemporaneo


 Sareste favorevoli al eventuale uso di un bot per l'aggiunta o no?


no bot


 se si
 come dovrebbe funzionare? mettendo il tag wikidata sfruttando il tag
 wikipedia o facendo un confronto nome/posizione indicati in wikidata e osm
 come prospettato da Andy Mabbett 
 Se non siete favorevoli al bot preferireste un metodo/tool/pagina che elenca
 i contenuti wikidata raggiungibili (come fatto per il tag wikipedia) e poi
 fare una aggiunta (semi)manuale?


si, certo, più comodo che sia meglio è. Vorrei un umano che controlla perché le 
entità non corrispondono sempre 1:1 tra wikidata e osm, e nel dubbio non 
dovrebbe essere creato il link.


ciao 
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Re: [Talk-it] opening_hours: mappa ed evaluation tool

2015-06-15 Thread cascafico

Grazie Damjan! 'sto server non lo conoscevo... 
adesso il lavoro si fa tosto :-)



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Re: [Talk-lv] Rīgas adrešu punktu imports no opendata.riga.lv

2015-06-15 Thread Viesturs Zarins

Izsktās tīri ok.

Vienu lietu pamanīju - Brīvības gatve 212A -
http://bolshakov.lv/osm#map=19/56.97040114477699/24.15818452835083
Tipa ir adrese bet ar mazo burtu un atstarpi.
Mos var uztaisīt lai automātiski atrod esošās adreses kas ir līzīgas līdz
lielajiem/mazajiem burtiem un atstarpēm un izlabo tās.


Viesturs

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM Vitaly Bolshakov v.bolshak...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Sveiks, Rich!

 Pievienoju permalink, tagad var norādīt interesējošas vietas uz kartes,
 piemēram
 http://bolshakov.lv/osm#map=17/56.95171505435233/24.113380908966064

 Ar cieņu, Vitālijs.

 On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:43:51 +0300, Rich ric...@nakts.net wrote:

  oo, ideaali - iespeeja katram paarbaudiit sev zinaamos regjionus
  starp citu, vai buutu sarezhgjiiti pielikt permalink fiichu ? labpraat
  paraadiitu dazhas vietas/lietas apsprieshanai, bet pagruuti (piemeeram,
  rimi staavvietaa ir 2 laikam veesturiskas adreses  )
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Re: [Talk-lv] Rīgas adrešu punktu imports no opendata.riga.lv

2015-06-15 Thread Viesturs Zarins

VEF rajonā kādus piecus jau pamanīju. Varētu būt diezgan izplatīta štelle.
Cilvēki pamatā liek mazos burtus, jo tādi ir uz numuru plāksnēm.

Viesturs

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:00 PM Vitaly Bolshakov v.bolshak...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Labdien!

 Ir labi pamanīts! Būs laikam tādus gadījumus arī jāizlabo OSM (adrešu
 sarakstā tādu atstarpju nav starp numuriem un burtiem). Ja tādu gadījumu
 neatradis daudz, tad mēģināšu manuāli izlabot.

 Ar cieņu, Vitālijs

 On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:54:21 +0300, Viesturs Zarins viest...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Izsktās tīri ok.
 
  Vienu lietu pamanīju - Brīvības gatve 212A -
  http://bolshakov.lv/osm#map=19/56.97040114477699/24.15818452835083
  Tipa ir adrese bet ar mazo burtu un atstarpi.
  Mos var uztaisīt lai automātiski atrod esošās adreses kas ir līzīgas
  līdz lielajiem/mazajiem burtiem un atstarpēm un izlabo tās.
 
 
  Viesturs

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[OSM-talk-be] Cycle surveying party in Brussels ?

2015-06-15 Thread Matthieu Gaillet

Bonjour à tous,

J’ai dans dans l’idée de mettre sur pied une opération de surveying 
participative axée sur les aménagements cyclables à Bruxelles. J’ai remarqué 
que cet aspect des choses était assez peu ou mal mappé à Bruxelles. 

L’idée serait grosso-modo de monter cette opération en collaboration avec les 
associations de défense des droits des cyclistes Gracq et Fietserbond et de 
demander à leur membre d’utiliser Mapillary pour enregistrer leur relevés sur 
le terrain (les rendants ainsi disponible à d’autres utilisateurs pour d’autres 
usages d’ailleurs). On leur assignerait un secteur déterminé dans lequel ils 
photographieraient tout ce qui est relevant du point de vue cycliste.

Ces données seraient ensuite utilisée par un team de mappeurs volontaires. 

Qu’en pensez-vous ? 

Merci pour le brainstorm.

Matthieu



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[OSM-ja] 京都世界遺産マッピングパーティ　第４回は 7/11 に東寺

2015-06-15 Thread yasunari

京都の山下です。皆さんこんにちわ。

毎月一つづつ世界遺産をコンプリートしようという企み、
京都世界遺産マッピングパーティ第４回は
7/11 に東寺をターゲットにします。
https://openstreetmap.doorkeeper.jp/events/26487

ゆるーり観光しながらサーベイ
向日市の公民館に移動して OpenStreetMap にマッピング、
マッピングの後は激辛懇親会！！

参加をお待ちしています！
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Philippe Verdy

On a les canisettes en ville (crottoirs pour chiens, autrement dit bac
à sable avec un distributeur de sacs putrescibles en amidon, et une
poubelle à disposition, pour ramasser derrière)

C'est mieux encore que les canivaux entre le trottoir et les voitures
stationnées que les chiens ne manquent pas d'arroser, et qu'on se prend
dans les chaussures au moment de monter dans sa voiture). Les chiens
comprennent vite l'intérêt des canisettes une fois un court dressage
effectué, ils n'iront plus polluer les pelouses ou les trottoirs ou
saccager les plantations.

Malheureusement quand ces canisettes existent, elles ne sont pas
régulièrement entretenues et ça devient des infections que les chiens
eux-mêmes ne veulent plus utiliser (d'autant que le maitre non plus ne veut
pas y entrer pour y amener son chien) et ça finit par les déjections tout
autour sauf dans l'endroit prévu. Cela demande un passage de temps en temps
pour ratisser le sable, le laver, en recycler une partie et le renouveller
(mais ça coute quand même moins cher que le nettoyage des trottoirs). Il
devrait y en avoir beaucoup plus pour que leur usage décolle réellement.

N'y a-t-il pas de panneau signalétique dédié ?

Le 15 juin 2015 16:19, Eric Brosselin - Osm o...@eric.brosselin.net a
écrit :

  Le 15/06/2015 12:33, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :

  Il me semble tout à fait prioritaire d'ajouter celui-là sur
 panneauxbiche.com ^^
 https://customtripplanning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/stripper.jpg
  Plus sérieusement il y a en effet une grande diversité de panneaux. D'où
 l'intérêt de les décrire correctement et précisément dans OSM

 J'en ai deux à mettre (des pano biches bien sûr) dans un territoire encore
 vierge.

 Pas encore vu les sharks ... où sont-ils ?
 Sinon je m'attendais à voir des moose au Canada et aux USA mais rien :-\


 Et pour les panneaux A15a1 et A15a2 (passage d'animaux domestiques)
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Re: [Talk-cat] Enroda't i Fòrum TIC Social

2015-06-15 Thread Konfrare Albert

Hola José Luis,

Fantàstica iniciativa ;))

Comentar només tres cosetes:

- Per la presentació si vols pots aprofitar aquesta:
https://prezi.com/ypsgawnos4g5/openstreetmap-i-la-palma-de-cervello/ Ja és
una mica antiga i caldria actualitzar-hi alguna cosa i treure la part de la
Palma. És una idea.

- Sobre el Wheelmap cal saber que vaig començar a fer-ne la traducció al
català i per altres temes vaig deixar-ho córrer. L'aplicació per Android i
el lloc web estan gairebé al 95%, només falta que algú s'hi posi, ho revisi
una mica i demani que pugin la traducció. Potser la gent d'Enroda't els
sembla interessant i volen fer-ho.
La traducció es fa des de Transifex:
https://www.transifex.com/organization/sozialhelden La traducció per a
iPhone no la vaig començar.

- I sobre la jornada en sí, et suggereixo que l'afegeixis a:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Activitats I així
tenim un recull de tot el que es va fent.

Gràcies!!

El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 14:56, Simó Albert i Beltran s...@probeta.net
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 Molt bé, ànims! Però tot i que a molts us agrada el Mapillary, si us
 plau, no el confongueu amb OpenStreetMap.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Florian LAINEZ

Hello,
-Je cherche toujours les sharks moi aussi ^^
-Les moose sont en finlande
-Pas de panneaux pour les canisettes lol

Je note le passage d'animaux domestiques comme évol éventuelle.
Merci pour les contributions de panneaux biche à venir !

++

Le 15 juin 2015 17:02, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :

 On a les canisettes en ville (crottoirs pour chiens, autrement dit bac
 à sable avec un distributeur de sacs putrescibles en amidon, et une
 poubelle à disposition, pour ramasser derrière)

 C'est mieux encore que les canivaux entre le trottoir et les voitures
 stationnées que les chiens ne manquent pas d'arroser, et qu'on se prend
 dans les chaussures au moment de monter dans sa voiture). Les chiens
 comprennent vite l'intérêt des canisettes une fois un court dressage
 effectué, ils n'iront plus polluer les pelouses ou les trottoirs ou
 saccager les plantations.

 Malheureusement quand ces canisettes existent, elles ne sont pas
 régulièrement entretenues et ça devient des infections que les chiens
 eux-mêmes ne veulent plus utiliser (d'autant que le maitre non plus ne veut
 pas y entrer pour y amener son chien) et ça finit par les déjections tout
 autour sauf dans l'endroit prévu. Cela demande un passage de temps en temps
 pour ratisser le sable, le laver, en recycler une partie et le renouveller
 (mais ça coute quand même moins cher que le nettoyage des trottoirs). Il
 devrait y en avoir beaucoup plus pour que leur usage décolle réellement.

 N'y a-t-il pas de panneau signalétique dédié ?

 Le 15 juin 2015 16:19, Eric Brosselin - Osm o...@eric.brosselin.net a
 écrit :

  Le 15/06/2015 12:33, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :

  Il me semble tout à fait prioritaire d'ajouter celui-là sur
 panneauxbiche.com ^^
 https://customtripplanning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/stripper.jpg
  Plus sérieusement il y a en effet une grande diversité de panneaux.
 D'où l'intérêt de les décrire correctement et précisément dans OSM

 J'en ai deux à mettre (des pano biches bien sûr) dans un territoire
 encore vierge.

 Pas encore vu les sharks ... où sont-ils ?
 Sinon je m'attendais à voir des moose au Canada et aux USA mais rien :-\


 Et pour les panneaux A15a1 et A15a2 (passage d'animaux domestiques)
 quelque chose est prévu ?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Kate Chapman

Simon,

Can you explain to me who the core OSM contributors are?

Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped data?
That we don't really believe in our own success?

-Kate

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 Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick:
 ...
 
  Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the project
  and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM contributors, not
  to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and perhaps
  contribute to the project. As a result the remote component has gotten
  an outsized amount of attention within the greater OSM community even
  though it’s only half of the story.
 ...


 I had a long diatribe here as a response that I thought better of, but I
 really did want to point out that the remote part of missing maps has
 never addressed the core OSM contributors at all. I don't think, even
 with giving everybody a lot of slack, that it can be seen as anything
 else than a marketing activity of the involved organisations in which
 the net result is not of any real concern. And I don't think shifting
 the blame for the above to the journalists is in any way fair.


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[OSM-talk-fr] Chemin mitoyen avec deux noms

2015-06-15 Thread Jean-Claude Repetto

Bonjour,
Je viens de tomber sur un cas un peu spécial. Le chemin
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25384380 appartient à deux communes
qui ont chacune donné un nom au chemin. J'ai mis dans OSM les deux noms,
séparés par un point-virgule. Je ne sais pas si c'est la meilleure
solution, d'autant plus qu'il y a une erreur BANO :
http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#18/43.67847/7.02424
Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Voici la photo Google Street View montrant les deux panneaux :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@43.677068,7.024269,3a,75y,327.22h,53.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSREUNoCbrfu78ljTyIL0lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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[Talk-pt] Alterações por karolinaheck

2015-06-15 Thread Topo Lusitania Lusitania


Pede-se a atenção para:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31697629  

Já lá está um comentário:
What was the purpose of this huge changeset? 
It is very unusual that a brand new users first changeset is that big.
The change created a big amount of errors and I assume your JOSM must have 
shown a lot of errors before the commit.
Are you ok if I revert this changeset? 

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Re: [Talk-br] Reunião Periodica - OSM Brasil‏

2015-06-15 Thread Wallace Silva

Como posso participar da reunião?

Em 15 de junho de 2015 10:20, Thierry Jean thierryaj...@hotmail.com
escreveu:

 Caros,

 Como a reunião não aconteceu (mal entendido) a semana passada, vamos fazer
 uma nesta quarta feira dia 17/6/15 das 12h às 13h. Principal assunto: Como
 lançar o projeto de banco de dado de endereços aberto?



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 Como a reunião foi bem produtiva a semana passada, vamos ter outra já esta
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Eric Brosselin - Osm


Le 15/06/2015 12:33, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
Il me semble tout à fait prioritaire d'ajouter celui-là sur 
panneauxbiche.com http://panneauxbiche.com ^^ 
https://customtripplanning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/stripper.jpg
Plus sérieusement il y a en effet une grande diversité de panneaux. 
D'où l'intérêt de les décrire correctement et précisément dans OSM
J'en ai deux à mettre (des pano biches bien sûr) dans un territoire 
encore vierge.


Pas encore vu les sharks ... où sont-ils ?
Sinon je m'attendais à voir des moose au Canada et aux USA mais rien :-\

Et pour les panneaux A15a1 et A15a2 (passage d'animaux domestiques) 
quelque chose est prévu ?


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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Aziende, uffici e quant'altro

2015-06-15 Thread Max1234Ita

Quindi, se ho ben capito:

 - Nel caso di manifatture industriali (nei casi da me citati, costruzione
di macchinari, realizzazione di profilati, vernici, ecc. = man_made=works


- Nel caso di piccoli laboratori artigianali = man_made=craft


- Nel caso di attività nel Terziario (studi legali, uffici vari) = office=*
(poi vedo sul wiki cosa si può usare)



Mi mancava completamente il tag office. Però ho notato che se provo ad
inserirlo in JOSM non viene riconosciuto e viene visualizzato come un
semplice nodo... spero che altri rendering riescano ad interpretare
correttamente quest'informazione!

Ciao e grazie,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SPAM Re: comment taguer des panneaux biche (dot com) / animaux sauvages

2015-06-15 Thread Francescu GAROBY

En Corse, on ne met pas de panneaux pour les cochons ou les vaches, sinon
il en faudrait tous les 10 mètres...

Le 15 juin 2015 08:24, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :

 Pas de panneau pour les hérissons ? Ni pour les cochons sauvages en Corse ?


 Le 15 juin 2015 00:06, Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr
 a écrit :

 Pour ajouter aux interrogations de Florian ;-)

 Trouvé sur Twitter :

 https://twitter.com/la_pollice/status/610061470995509250


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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Andrew Wiseman

Interesting thread! And I'm glad it's civil.

I think everybody agrees that local mappers are best. But that's obviously
easier said than done. Like Robert said, it requires outreach and some big
efforts to find and empower those local mappers, as many people would never
have seen or thought to use OpenStreetMap for many reasons: maybe it's
technology or free time or knowledge about geography or something else that
I don't even know about. And maybe they just don't want to, which is
perfectly fine, but I think showing people it exists and what is possible
is a worthwhile effort. If you don't know something exists you're not going
to be interested in it.

There are a lot of good efforts already doing that: HOT of course in many
places, the American Red Cross does a lot with local Red Crosses in other
countries, Missing Maps, the project USAID is doing with a university in
Bangladesh, and lots of local communities doing their own projects and
finding members and doing more. (Full disclosure, my office at USAID also
funded HOT to build two OSM groups in Haiti, but I am talking as a guy who
loves OSM.)

When I was visiting one of those projects in Haiti I found that the tourist
map at a local hotel was basically a print-out of the city in OSM. That's
great, and an example of local people using OSM for their own goals (in
this case for marketing to tourists, which could be its own discussion, but
still it's a locally-generated use.) And I bet there are many more people
who would love to use OSM if only they knew about it.

It's certainly not an easy problem to crack, but to me there are many ways
to start -- technological solutions, training materials in local languages,
and so on. And a lot of those are being worked on now. And like Robert
said, they require people, not just to map -- people to teach, people to
write, people to talk, people to organize, and so on.

(And I do not agree that Missing Maps is a marketing ploy. You are free to
start your own effort.)

Kathmandu Living Labs is a great example of a local group leading the way
and serving as a hub -- but they were organized through the Open Cities
Project for this purpose.[1] To me that is not a bad thing, or colonialism,
or whatever -- a good development project helps local people do something
they want to do or find useful that they might not have had the money, time
or skillset to do before, and KLL is obviously very successful now. (And
psst, they could use some donations. [2]) That's not to say that everybody
should go around setting up KLLs, but assistance from afar is not a bad
thing per se.

Something else semi-related that might be a terrible idea: I wonder if
there ought to be some way to show which edits are by remote mappers and by
locals? Could you do this automatically via IP address or something by
seeing who was nearby and who was not? I do a fair amount of remote mapping
but tend not to fix existing things that appear to me to be wrong because
maybe a local person added it -- I assume they know better than me, the guy
looking at Bing from thousands of miles away. But if I could tell that edit
was also by a remote mapper, I would be more likely to fix it or send them
a message about it. I know you can do some research by looking at the
user's profile and the How Do You Contribute tools,[3] but that takes some
time and can be inconclusive. That's not to say there should be tiers of
edits, but maybe some more metadata about the edits would be helpful,
especially since people are not very diligent about changeset comments or
other such things. Just a thought.

Thanks,

Andrew

[1] http://www.opencitiesproject.org/cities/kathmandu/
[2] http://kathmandulivinglabs.org/
[3] http://hdyc.neis-one.org/

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 Following this thread makes me wonder how people feel about some of the
 issues raised. The link below is quick survey about some of the issues
 raised in the thread. Please take a minute or two to respond. If I get
 sufficient answers I will publish the results.

 https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TRQYHFP

 Clifford


 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 06:11:50PM +, Eros, Emily wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In the midst of the discussion about remote mapping, I couldn¹t help but
  notice this comment from Sarah:
 
  In my experience, the issue is not that OSM is not welcoming for woman
  but simply that it is not
  interesting enough for them.
 
  I was surprised to see this and I have to say that I disagree. I find it
  hard to believe that half the population isn¹t interested in mapping
 just
  because they are female; the active engagement of so many women in the
 OSM
  community certainly suggests otherwise.

 This is naturally slippery ground and involves more guessing than solid
 research but let me try to explain a bit more what I meant.

 The people who drove OSM in the early stages of development were

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rentrer un itinéraire vélo

2015-06-15 Thread Eric Bechet


Le 15/06/2015 23:22, Eric Debeau a écrit :

Bonsoir

J'aimerais savoir quel est le moyen le plus simple pour saisir un
itinéraire (ie velo) sur OSM.



Rentrer un itinéraire se fait en deux temps
1- vérifier que les chemins empruntés existent. Si ce n'est pas le cas, 
les ajouter (en s'aidant du GPX mais jamais en uploadant directement le 
GPX). Il ne faut pas dédoubler des chemins existants !
2- tagguer l'itinéraire (créer un relation et ajouter tous les éléments 
en faisant partie (chemins, routes, etc...)


Pour du monde non habitué à OSM, c'est pas si simple je pense...



Existe-t-il des outils permettant de traduire un itinéraire depuis un
fichier GPX en format OSM ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de plugin JOSM.

L'objectif est de sensibiliser des acteurs locaux à rentrer les
itinéraires balisés sur le terrain dans OSM et donc de leur proposer les
outils les plus simples possibles sachant qu'ils ont à disposition des
fcihiers GPX.

Merci de vos retours

Eric


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in India

2015-06-15 Thread Arun Ganesh

 Fair enough. Although a quick mapcompare session shows that GM has
 nowhere near the quality that it has in Europe/America, so it should
 be less work for OSM to overtake GM in India than it took in Europe (I
 know, if the community is tiny, less overall work is still way more
 work for each individual).

Businesses throughout the country want to list themselves on GM to get more
customers. I have been to remote parts of the country where hoteliers or
shop owners ask me how they can be listed. This POI database is massive and
along with it comes address information which is data gold in India for
geocoding. There is low business incentive for anyone to list themselves on
OSM, moreover the computer skills to do that is lacking by most people. If
there were more users of openstreetmap, this can change quickly.


 You point out an interesting bit of information though: GM is for
 English speakers. Do you render a Hindi (and other languages)
 slippymap ? Provide Hindi OSMand and Garmin maps ? That might catch
 the attention of many users. In Ireland we have an all-Gaelic map
 (
 http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/?zoom=9layers=00BFFlat=52.92847lon=-7.65252
 )
 that attracts people from outside OSM.


Its a given that most users of new technology in the country are familiar
with English, or atleast the Latin alphabet. One may not be able to speak
the language but can easily read street signs and it is more familiar than
localized signage. We have had trials with localized maps
http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/ but apart from being good PR they have
limited practical use in daily life.

We would need to support 22 languages and in offline mediums to make the
maps truly accessible to most of the people. Till then maps will continue
to be used only by a small class of the population..


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Re: [Talk-br] Reunião Periodica - OSM Brasil

2015-06-15 Thread Vitor George

Wallace, só é preciso instalar o Zoom e usar o código que o Thierry enviou.
A reunião é aberta a todos. Vitor

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015, 11:20 AM Wallace Silva wsi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Como posso participar da reunião?

 Em 15 de junho de 2015 10:20, Thierry Jean thierryaj...@hotmail.com
 escreveu:

 Caros,

 Como a reunião não aconteceu (mal entendido) a semana passada, vamos
 fazer uma nesta quarta feira dia 17/6/15 das 12h às 13h. Principal assunto:
 Como lançar o projeto de banco de dado de endereços aberto?



 Time: Jun 17, 2015 12:00 PM (GMT-3:00) Sao Paulo .

 Join from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5694747229

 Or join by phone:

 +55 21 3958 7888 (Brazil Toll)

 Meeting ID: 569 474 7229

 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference


 Thierry Jean
 +55 11 996071319



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 From: thierryaj...@hotmail.com
 To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 01:39:05 -0300
 Subject: [Talk-br] Reunião Periodica - OSM Brasil

 Caros,

 Como a reunião foi bem produtiva a semana passada, vamos ter outra já
 esta semana.


 Thierry Jean is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 Topic: Thierry Jean's Personal Meeting Room
 Join from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5694747229

 Or join by phone:
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[OSM-talk-fr] La production carto à la RATP

2015-06-15 Thread Carfil Cem

Bonjour à tous,

 

En recherchant des informations sur la future mise en œuvre de la 
dépénalisation des PVs de stationnement pour mes élus, je suis tombé sur un 
article de 3 pages sur la production cartographique de la RATP dans un mag. du 
CRE-RATP.

Je pense que cela pourrait intéresser certains :

http://www.ce-eco.ratp.fr/pmb/opac_css/doc_num.php?explnum_id=4124 

C’est en page 8/9/10.

 

Bonne lecture !

 

Cordialement.

 

Cem CARFIL

Directeur des Systèmes d’Information

 

 

 

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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM



sent from a phone

 Am 15.06.2015 um 15:12 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com:
 
 beh, teoricamente i tag wikipedia già puntano a voci non ambigue o
 altrimenti il mapper che lo ha inserito ha fatto un errore.


Wikipedia è un enciclopedia e i tags in osm puntano su dei articoli. Un 
articolo può trattare di tante cose (anche insieme) mentre in OSM tendiamo di 
usare tags per elementi atomici. La relazione testo WP a oggetto OSM spesso non 
è 1:1


ciao 
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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM

dieterdreist wrote
 
 Wikipedia è un enciclopedia e i tags in osm puntano su dei articoli. Un
 articolo può trattare di tante cose (anche insieme) mentre in OSM tendiamo
 di usare tags per elementi atomici. La relazione testo WP a oggetto OSM
 spesso non è 1:1

no aspetta...non ti sto capendo.
Non possiamo usare un value wikipedia che punta ad una pagina generica ma
alla pagina che tratta specificamente dell'oggetto su osm (e poi può
divagare su altri argomenti ma l'oggetto principale dell'articolo deve
essere lo stesso indicato su osm). quella stessa pagina ha una
corrispondente in wikidata che tratterebbe di tutti gli altri eventuali
argomenti come link ma l'oggetto principale del wikidata rimane l'oggetto
del titolo nell'articolo wikipedia corrispondente. quindi o si sbaglia ad
inserire l'oggetto wikipedia su osm e di conseguenza sbagliamo anche il
wikidata  altrimenti l'argomento wikipedia corretto ha l'equivalente
wikidata corretto . eventuali altri argomenti verrebbero trattati in
wikidata come arcomenti correlati (non mi ricordo come vengono
chiamati...sono una sorta di nostra relation con altri elementi) ma comunque
l'oggetto della pagina wikidata è l'oggetto principale dell'articolo
wikipedia.
Mi fai dire che è più facile che l'elemento atomico, a cui dovremmo legare
l'elemento osm, si trovi su wikidata e non su wikipedia. i vari wikidata, da
quello che ho visto, hanno un unico oggetto e al massimo indicato il legame
con altri...

non so...potresti portarmi qualche esempio di quello che intendi? non riesco
a capire come possano esserci i casi di ambiguità in wikidata se non c'è
errore nella scelta ed inserimento dell'articolo wikipedia in un oggetto su
osm.




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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bidford Bridge

2015-06-15 Thread Andy Mabbett

Having seen this sad news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348

I've marked the OSM object:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348

as access=cyclists; pedestrians. Is there a better tag?

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Re: [Talk-de] fire_hydrant:position street - lane?!?

2015-06-15 Thread Harald Hartmann

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 Frage mich eher woher die ganzen street tags überhaupt kommen.

Habe es mal stichprobenartig geprüft, und mir v.a. die nun v2 Nodes
angesehen. Die kommen von iD genauso wie anscheinend von anderen
Importen wie z.b. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22756694
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Re: Bidford Bridge

2015-06-15 Thread Rob Nickerson

Forward to list.
R

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob
Date: 15 Jun 2015 19:44
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bidford Bridge
To: Andy
Cc:

 Yeah I heard about that on the radio.

 The tags would be access=no, with foot=yes, bicycle=yes if they can still
use it.

 We need to remember to change it when it reopens.

 Rob

 On 15 Jun 2015 19:19, Andy wrote:

 Having seen this sad news:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348

 I've marked the OSM object:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348

 as access=cyclists; pedestrians. Is there a better tag?

 --
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 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Eros, Emily

Hi all,

In the midst of the discussion about remote mapping, I couldn¹t help but
notice this comment from Sarah:

In my experience, the issue is not that OSM is not welcoming for woman
but simply that it is not
interesting enough for them.

I was surprised to see this and I have to say that I disagree. I find it
hard to believe that half the population isn¹t interested in mapping just
because they are female; the active engagement of so many women in the OSM
community certainly suggests otherwise.

Maybe I am misreading the intent of that comment? If so, please disregard.
If not, and I¹m reading this correctly, then may I suggest looking deeper
to see if there are other factors (beyond pure lack of interest)
preventing the women you know from taking an interest in OSM? Maybe
there¹s a different engagement strategy you could consider?

#InterestedEnoughToMap,
Emily




From: Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de
To: Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com
Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping
Message-ID: 20150614083150.ga20...@denofr.de
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


 Diversity to me has never just been gender. Though it has been shown
that
 if you make a place welcoming to women it also makes it more inviting
for
 other underrepresented groups. Intersectional feminism is about equality
 for everyone.

This argument still has a sour taste to me. In my experience, the issue
is not that OSM is not welcoming for woman but simply that it is not
interesting enough for them. The outcome is the same but the actions to
take are vastly different. I do agree with you though, that finding
a solution to attract more woman will also show a way to attract other
underrepresented groups. After all, it is exactly the same argument as
above: the interests of the map makers and the potential map users
don't match.


Sarah


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Re: [Talk-de] fire_hydrant:position street - lane?!?

2015-06-15 Thread Andreas Goss


Ich finde so riesige changesets ja schon doof weil man da so schlecht
nachvollziehen kann was da gelaufen ist.


fire_hydrant:position=street = fire_hydrant:position=lane

Macht laut dokumentation schon irgendwo Sinn. Frage mich eher woher die 
ganzen street tags überhaupt kommen.

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[Talk-GB] June Nottingham pub meeting

2015-06-15 Thread SK53

Sorry for the late reminder: tomorrow night is our June OSM meet-up at the
Lincolnshire Poacher from 19:30 (Tuesday 16th), with possibility of mapping
beforehand from 18:30.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Rafael Avila Coya

Hi all:

I have read all the emails of this thread, and found some of the views
about remote/local mapping as well as imports quite interesting. Anyway,
I have to say that, although this conversation can lead to some people
to enrich/modify their views about this subject, it won't lead to real
changes on the OSM mapping rules. It is amusing for me thinking on the
OSM community deciding to restrict the remote mapping or banning imports
in any way whatsoever. It would be a seriously destructive move, and I
would strongly oppose any such moves.

About remote vs. local mapping and import-yes vs. import-not, my opinion
is quite clear:

If you make me have to choose, I will tell you that I find local
on-the-ground mapping better than remote mapping. We should encourage
local mapping by local people (and growing local, active OSM
communities), but that doesn't mean that remote mapping by non-locals is
bad. I find remote mapping by non-local people very good and positive,
and we should also encourage people to map remotely as well as locally,
teaching them how to do that and what the limits are for both
approaches. I have mapped more than a million objects in the last 6
years in 84 countries, and I am ***very proud and happy*** of my remote
mapping, whether I knew the area on the ground or not. Needless to say,
when you map an area you don't know on the ground, you will apply a more
conservative approach. But that's it. Apart from that, I repeat, we
should not only say that remote mapping is a good thing, but in fact
teach/encourage people to join. And I will go on happy-remote-mapping as
I did up to now. And proudly.

My opinion about imports is similar. In a perfect world, we would map
everything from scratch, but we don't live in that mapping Paradise.
Importing data is a very good thing, and many of the data we have now in
OSM come from imported datasets. So, again, we should encourage and
welcome non-importing mapping, but we should also help and encourage, as
I do, those people who have data that want to import it to OSM and make
it a better geo-database. We use Imports Guidelines to assure any import
is done properly.

I honestly find that discouraging users on remotely mapping or on
importing data is destructive/negative for the growth and health of the
OSM community. But it's up to everyone of us to promote certain ways of
mapping and discourage others. We are a free community with freedom of
speech, aren't we?

Cheers,

Rafael. (edvac)

On 13/06/15 16:37, Frederik Ramm wrote:
 Hi,
 
I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no
 personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for
 money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea that runs
 against the spirit of OSM.
 
 (I'm willing to concede that there are exceptions, and that sometimes
 doing something that's against the spirit may still be useful. But these
 are individual cases, to be carefully justified, and remote mapping
 should never become anyone's standard mode of contribution.)
 
 Until now I thought that the main exception, one that even I would have
 to accept, is mapping for humanitarian purposes.
 
 I was all the more surprised - positively surprised - to read this
 thoughtful essay by Erica Hagen, who founded Map Kibera:
 
 http://groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm-mapping-power-to-the-people/
 
 I'd encourage everyone to read that. It questions some rarely questioned
 assumptions; it even says that mapping by locals doesn't really count
 if those locals are just doing it for the money (a sentiment that I've
 always felt but rarely dared to express, because who can expect locals
 in the poorest parts of the world to map for fun like privileged
 westerners do?).
 
 It also says that local isn't local if the locals from the wealthy
 city map the slum in their midst. I've tended to routinely associate the
 call for more diversity in OSM as mainly being one for levelling the
 gender playing field but this article goes much further.
 
 In some parts the article echoes a rather more acerbic posting written
 last month by Gwilym Eades, a university lecturer in London:
 
 http://place-memes.blogspot.de/2015/05/the-hubris-of-proactive-disaster-mapping.html
 
 which essentially accused humanitarian mapping (and as I would add, any
 remote mapping really) of homogenising, westernising, and colonising
 the map.
 
 I don't agree with everything written in these postings but they
 certainly deserve some wider audience, and that's why I am writing this
 here - since neither author is on these lists and I haven't seen their
 messages mentioned or quoted anywhere.
 
 I think the tl;dr of both these postings could be: Whenever you give
 someone a map by remote mapping, you also take something away from them.
 
 Bye
 Frederik
 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Johan C

2015-06-15 20:22 GMT+02:00 Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com:

 Hi all:

 I have read all the emails of this thread, and found some of the views
 about remote/local mapping as well as imports quite interesting. Anyway,
 I have to say that, although this conversation can lead to some people
 to enrich/modify their views about this subject, it won't lead to real
 changes on the OSM mapping rules. It is amusing for me thinking on the
 OSM community deciding to restrict the remote mapping or banning imports
 in any way whatsoever. It would be a seriously destructive move, and I
 would strongly oppose any such moves.


Except for rules the DWG applies on bad edits I'm not aware of a decision
making process within OSM which can restrict remote mapping or banning
imports. So this thread will not lead to a decision, unless Frederik wants
to change the rules the DWG applies.

Cheers, Johan
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Re: [Talk-it] [Mappatura] - Aziende, uffici e quant'altro



sent from a phone

 Am 15.06.2015 um 17:50 schrieb Max1234Ita max1234...@gmail.com:
 
 - Nel caso di manifatture industriali (nei casi da me citati, costruzione
 di macchinari, realizzazione di profilati, vernici, ecc. = man_made=works
 


si, produzione industriale 



 
 - Nel caso di piccoli laboratori artigianali = man_made=craft



si, cos'è industriale e cos'è ancora artigianato non è del tutto chiaro, lo 
decide il mappatore



 
 
 - Nel caso di attività nel Terziario (studi legali, uffici vari) = office=*
 (poi vedo sul wiki cosa si può usare)


si, soprattutto se non c'è niente nel amenity namespace

ciao 
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[Talk-br] Hyperloop, como classificar

2015-06-15 Thread Francisco

Ola lista linda,

Hoje no irc rolou uma ideia de como devemos classificar o Hyperloop do Elon
Musk, já adiantando algo e prevendo a agilidade da comunidade.

Vide: http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop ... nosso caro Aun Johnsen vai
empreender aqui no Brasil e seria uma boa pensarmos em algo segundo
o Nelsão,

Tarcísio alguma ideia?

Atenciosamente.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chemin mitoyen avec deux noms

2015-06-15 Thread bernard


Bonjour,
Tu trouveras ta réponse à la page wiki :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:name
en l'occurence:  name: right et name :left
Cordialement

bernard


Le 15/06/2015 18:12, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

De: Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr

Je viens de tomber sur un cas un peu spécial. Le chemin
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25384380 appartient à deux communes
qui ont chacune donné un nom au chemin. J'ai mis dans OSM les deux
noms,
séparés par un point-virgule. Je ne sais pas si c'est la meilleure
solution, d'autant plus qu'il y a une erreur BANO :
http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#18/43.67847/7.02424
Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Voici la photo Google Street View montrant les deux panneaux :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@43.677068,7.024269,3a,75y,327.22h,53.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSREUNoCbrfu78ljTyIL0lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Tu pointes là un vieux sujet porté indirectement par ce ticket :
https://github.com/osm-fr/bano/issues/27 qui a pile 1 an aujourd'hui (!).

Le ticket parle du alt_name, dans ton cas la modélisation s'appuierait plutôt 
sur name:left et name:right, le point commun étant qu'il faut voir au delà du 
simple tag name pour les rapprochements. Je viens de compléter le ticket en ce 
sens.

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[OSM-talk-ie] (no subject)

2015-06-15 Thread Martin Costello

Could I have sheet 23/11NW please.  Murt
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chemin mitoyen avec deux noms

2015-06-15 Thread bernard


désolé , j'avais pas lu la suite

Le 15/06/2015 18:12, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

De: Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr

Je viens de tomber sur un cas un peu spécial. Le chemin
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25384380 appartient à deux communes
qui ont chacune donné un nom au chemin. J'ai mis dans OSM les deux
noms,
séparés par un point-virgule. Je ne sais pas si c'est la meilleure
solution, d'autant plus qu'il y a une erreur BANO :
http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#18/43.67847/7.02424
Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Voici la photo Google Street View montrant les deux panneaux :
https://www.google.fr/maps/@43.677068,7.024269,3a,75y,327.22h,53.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSREUNoCbrfu78ljTyIL0lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Tu pointes là un vieux sujet porté indirectement par ce ticket :
https://github.com/osm-fr/bano/issues/27 qui a pile 1 an aujourd'hui (!).

Le ticket parle du alt_name, dans ton cas la modélisation s'appuierait plutôt 
sur name:left et name:right, le point commun étant qu'il faut voir au delà du 
simple tag name pour les rapprochements. Je viens de compléter le ticket en ce 
sens.

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Re: [Talk-de] fire_hydrant:position street - lane?!?

2015-06-15 Thread Harald Hartmann

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Ich hab den User, den ich heute erst im Forum gesehen habe, einfach
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Re: [Talk-de] fire_hydrant:position street - lane?!?

2015-06-15 Thread Harald Hartmann

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Ach und ich habe auch noch einen Kommentar direkt am Changeset
hinterlassen...

Am 15.06.2015 um 19:28 schrieb Harald Hartmann:
 Ich hab den User, den ich heute erst im Forum gesehen habe,
 einfach mal eine PN via openstreetmap.org geschickt ;-)
 
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[Talk-at] LUGT/OSM-Stammtisch Innsbruck am 18. Juni 2015

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Legner

Servus!

Wir möchten zum nächsten gemeinsamen LUGT-/OSM-Stammtisch einladen:

 am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015
 im Restaurant Kastanie
 Innsbrucker Straße 4, 6176 Völs

Wir freuen uns auf ein zahlreiches Erscheinen!

Die Einladung ist wie immer auch auf der LUGT-Webseite und im OSM-Wiki
zu finden:
 http://www.lugt.at/
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Innsbruck/Stammtisch

Grüße
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chemin mitoyen avec deux noms

2015-06-15 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry


 De: Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr
 
 Je viens de tomber sur un cas un peu spécial. Le chemin
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25384380 appartient à deux communes
 qui ont chacune donné un nom au chemin. J'ai mis dans OSM les deux
 noms,
 séparés par un point-virgule. Je ne sais pas si c'est la meilleure
 solution, d'autant plus qu'il y a une erreur BANO :
 http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#18/43.67847/7.02424
 Qu'en pensez-vous ?
 
 Voici la photo Google Street View montrant les deux panneaux :
 https://www.google.fr/maps/@43.677068,7.024269,3a,75y,327.22h,53.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSREUNoCbrfu78ljTyIL0lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Tu pointes là un vieux sujet porté indirectement par ce ticket :
https://github.com/osm-fr/bano/issues/27 qui a pile 1 an aujourd'hui (!).

Le ticket parle du alt_name, dans ton cas la modélisation s'appuierait plutôt 
sur name:left et name:right, le point commun étant qu'il faut voir au delà du 
simple tag name pour les rapprochements. Je viens de compléter le ticket en ce 
sens.

vincent

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Re: [Talk-de] fire_hydrant:position street - lane?!?

2015-06-15 Thread chris66

Am 15.06.2015 um 18:32 schrieb Florian Lohoff:

 Ich finde so riesige changesets ja schon doof weil man da so schlecht
 nachvollziehen kann was da gelaufen ist.

Wurde die mechanical Edits policy eingehalten?

Wenn nicht - revert.

Chris





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[OSM-talk-ie] Next OpenStreetMap Ireland Meet - 27th June

2015-06-15 Thread Dave Corley

Hi all,

Time for another meetup maybe? I think so :)

Fingal County Council are kindly donating space (and wifi) for us to use in
the council building in Swords on 27th Jun located here
http://osm.org/go/etqCH~JbZ-?m=

We have the space from 9:30am to 6pm. I'll be sticking around for a while
in the evening also for anyone who wants to go for drinks or a bite to eat
afterwards.

There will be no food provided however you are welcome to bring your own or
there are plenty of cafe's and shops within a short walk in Swords itself.

As with all other events, its open to anyone, so if you are a long time
editor / newbie / hacker / data user or just plain curious, you are more
than welcome.

For those using the bus, there is a stop right outside the building and it
is served by the following routes (according to Dublin Bus) 33, 33a, 33b,
41, 41a, 41b, 41c,  43. Check which best serves you on the Dublin Bus
website here http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/

For those driving, you'll want exit 3 off the M1, and there is free parking
on Saturday on Chapel Lane, just around the corner from the council building

Hope to see you all there

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-cat] Recull d'usos d'OpenStreetMap

2015-06-15 Thread Jan Esquerra

el nou web i app de platges
http://aca-web.gencat.cat/aca/platgescat/index.html#inicial
que han presentat avui
http://premsa.gencat.cat/pres_fsvp/AppJava/notapremsavw/285026/ca/territori-i-sostenibilitat-millora-informacio-lestat-platges-crea-web-amb-prediccio-metereologica-maritima.do
fa servir OSM

ben bé no ho diu però remenant hi ha una pestanya de crèdits
http://aca-web.gencat.cat/aca/platgescat/index.html#credits
on hi apareix Mapbox, Nominatim i la llicència ODbL. Enlloc veig lo de “©
Col·laboradors d'OpenStreetMap”, amb el processat de Mapbox s'hauran
despistat.

També hi ha mapes i ortofotos del ICGC en la informació detallada de cada
platja (serveismapa de la zona), així segur que tothom sabrà arribar-hi ;-)

Salut i bona feina

Jan

PD. els noms del mapa surten en català, triïs l'idioma que triïs en les
preferències

El dia 27 de maig de 2015, 0:13, Konfrare Albert 
lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com ha escrit:

 Seguint la idea de Yopaseopor,

 He creat aquesta pàgina:

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Usos_d%27OpenStreetMap
 Per recollir-hi usos que es fan/s'han fet d'OpenStreetMap als PPCC.
 He enllaçat la pàgina a la pàgina principal del projecte.

 Segur que en falten molts, però entre tots segur que podem ampliar molt el
 llista. Siusplau, afegiu-hi tots aquells que us vinguin al cap.

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[Talk-de] fire_hydrant:position street - lane?!?

2015-06-15 Thread Florian Lohoff


Hi,

gabs da irgendwo eine Diskussion zu ? Nicht das mich fire_hydrant
interessieren - aber ich bin da eben über einen gigantischen changeset
gestolpert wo 5385 hydranten automatisch geändert wurden.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31972734

Ich finde so riesige changesets ja schon doof weil man da so schlecht
nachvollziehen kann was da gelaufen ist.

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Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-15 Thread stevea


Paul Norman writes:
The most important change is probably setting appropriate surface 
information. I don't know the exact secret sauce magic of 
cycle.travel, but surface information is very important for 
selecting reasonable routes on a bike - or indeed, any non-foot 
method of transportation.


Also, keep in mind, most rural highway=residential from TIGER should 
be either highway=unclassified, highway=track, highway=service, or 
deleted.


EXCELLENT points, BOTH of these, Paul.  Unfortunately, surface tags 
are not especially widespread (in the USA, where I am familiar), but 
where found, they do make excellent choice points in bicycle routing 
logic.


Richard (Fairhurst), if cycle.travel/map's router logic is not paying 
attention to surface= tags, perhaps it should, as doing so truly can 
improve selected routes.  (Not that isn't a fine router already!)


Who knows, it's possible, even likely that OSM gets lots of new 
surface tagging if we have a router that pays attention.  (Data feeds 
usage, usage feeds data, ad infinitum).


SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Arun Ganesh

 Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local
community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks
could improve things.

The very simple answer is that most people who know English and can afford
a smartphone already use Google maps which work reasonably well in India.
OSM is atleast 10 years behind in coverage and there is just a handful like
me who have the luxury of free time who can see the long term benefits of
contributing to open source. To the rest, they already have working maps,
so why bother.

What is changing the scenario is some popular classified services switching
to OSM, but they do this at a big risk, because the data is really poor.
Another is the recent open source policy approved by the government which
makes gives localized open source software the preference in new
e-governance applications. Also the education system is looking at mapping
as an activity for learning about computers and the environment.

Change is happening, but its going to take a few years till there is
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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM



sent from a phone

 Am 15.06.2015 um 20:15 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com:
 
 quindi o si sbaglia ad
 inserire l'oggetto wikipedia su osm e di conseguenza sbagliamo anche il
 wikidata  altrimenti l'argomento wikipedia corretto ha l'equivalente
 wikidata corretto


faccio un esempio: piazza di spagna a Roma. La famosa scalinata non ha un 
articolo nella Wikipedia italiana, e quindi anche in wikidata mancava il nome 
italiano. Infatti con lo stato attuale non c'è link ad una pagina italiana di 
WP per la scalinata: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/134400816
Situazioni simili occorrono tantissimi, soprattutto se uno guarda più lingue 
(se guardi solo una lingua non ti accorgi, o molto meno).

ciao 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole


Kate

I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are,
perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could
easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an
afternoon and so on.

But that is not the point, Robert was claiming that the remote part of
MM was designed to address 'the Western core of OSM contributors'. His
words, not mine, and clearly, from the first events on, that was not the
case, regardless of definition.

Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be. I'm
sure it is a big boon for the involved organisations in any case.

Everybody can do more or less do what they please in OSM which naturally
includes MM, but just so I don't have to like everything and I do
reserve myself the right to call a spade a spade.

To end on a positive note: the team from HOT working on the activations
in the wake of the Nepal earthquake had to come to grips with the
reality that using disasters as a newbie recruiting events is perhaps
not such a good idea and after a considerable number of issues labelled
a lot of the tasks explicitly for experienced mappers which is likely
the way it should be.

Simon


Am 15.06.2015 um 17:33 schrieb Kate Chapman:
 Simon,
 
 Can you explain to me who the core OSM contributors are? 
 
 Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped
 data? That we don't really believe in our own success?
 
 -Kate
 
 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
 mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
 
 
 Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick:
 ...
 
  Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the project
  and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM contributors, not
  to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and perhaps
  contribute to the project. As a result the remote component has gotten
  an outsized amount of attention within the greater OSM community even
  though it’s only half of the story.
 ...
 
 
 I had a long diatribe here as a response that I thought better of, but I
 really did want to point out that the remote part of missing maps has
 never addressed the core OSM contributors at all. I don't think, even
 with giving everybody a lot of slack, that it can be seen as anything
 else than a marketing activity of the involved organisations in which
 the net result is not of any real concern. And I don't think shifting
 the blame for the above to the journalists is in any way fair.
 
 
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Re: [Talk-pt] Alterações por karolinaheck

2015-06-15 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira

Bom, do que olhei é tudo duplicação.
Estou revertendo em #31697629

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Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst

SteveA wrote:
 Richard (Fairhurst), if cycle.travel/map's router logic is not 
 paying attention to surface= tags, perhaps it should, as 
 doing so truly can improve selected routes

It very much does - it'll look at surface=, and failing that tracktype= or
smoothness=, as one of the principal criteria for how cyclable is this?.
I've suffered on too many bumpy dirt paths in my time to let that one past!

cheers
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Re: [Talk-cat] Recull d'usos d'OpenStreetMap

2015-06-15 Thread Jaume Figueras i Jové


Hola,

doncs ho posem a la wiki i els enviem el correu (això traduït vol dir 
que algú ho escrigui i si voleu els envio el correu :D ).


Ja que estem en el tema, vaig enviar el correu a TV3, m'han respost i 
estem a l'espera que decideixin qui s'encarregarà d'aquest tema a TV3.


Salut!

On 15/06/15 20:39, Jan Esquerra wrote:

a la pestanya de crèdits hi ha aquest contacte sistemes@gencat.cat
mailto:sistemes@gencat.cat?subject=Platgescat

El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 19:11, Konfrare Albert
lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com mailto:lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com
ha escrit:

Hola Jan,

Ara fa uns moments estava afegint més webs de diferents tipus que
fan servir OpenStreetMap a

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Usos_d%27OpenStreetMap
Afegiré també aquesta troballa. Gràcies ;))

Ara bé, penso que hauríem d'enviar-los una petició perquè afegeixin
el «© Col·laboradors d'OpenStreetMap» amb aquest enllaç:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
És imprescindible que ho afegeixin.
Com voleu fer-ho? Fem una carta oberta a la wiki com vam fer per TV3?
Això és interessant -penso- perquè així queda tot documentat.
Ja direu ;)

Salut!

El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 18:15, Jan Esquerra
jan.esque...@gmail.com mailto:jan.esque...@gmail.com ha escrit:

el nou web i app de platges
http://aca-web.gencat.cat/aca/platgescat/index.html#inicial
que han presentat avui

http://premsa.gencat.cat/pres_fsvp/AppJava/notapremsavw/285026/ca/territori-i-sostenibilitat-millora-informacio-lestat-platges-crea-web-amb-prediccio-metereologica-maritima.do
fa servir OSM

ben bé no ho diu però remenant hi ha una pestanya de crèdits
http://aca-web.gencat.cat/aca/platgescat/index.html#credits
on hi apareix Mapbox, Nominatim i la llicència ODbL. Enlloc veig
lo de “© Col·laboradors d'OpenStreetMap”, amb el processat de
Mapbox s'hauran despistat.

També hi ha mapes i ortofotos del ICGC en la informació
detallada de cada platja (serveismapa de la zona), així segur
que tothom sabrà arribar-hi ;-)

Salut i bona feina

Jan

PD. els noms del mapa surten en català, triïs l'idioma que triïs
en les preferències

El dia 27 de maig de 2015, 0:13, Konfrare Albert
lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com
mailto:lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com ha escrit:

Seguint la idea de Yopaseopor,

He creat aquesta pàgina:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Usos_d%27OpenStreetMap
Per recollir-hi usos que es fan/s'han fet d'OpenStreetMap
als PPCC.
He enllaçat la pàgina a la pàgina principal del projecte.

Segur que en falten molts, però entre tots segur que podem
ampliar molt el llista. Siusplau, afegiu-hi tots aquells que
us vinguin al cap.

Merci ;)
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2015-06-15 Thread john whelan

 Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be.

I tend to validate in HOT more than map these days and one comment I'd make
is I've seen new mappers come into Nepal and later transfer into other HOT
projects, their mapping skills are improving as well.  Once they get going
with JOSM their productivity tends to go up so they're getting close to the
5% core.  Quite a number of projects have benefited from the Nepal newbies
and whilst they might be new to OSM at least two are better than I at
picking out details or knowing what to look for.  I think one comment was
its much the same as their normal work when they were looking at the
flooding in the UK.

Perhaps we need something like the HOT validation system in OSM more
generally but I don't know how it would work.  Locally OSM mappers have
used a rich range of tags, I'd say about 25% other than highways didn't get
rendered for one reason or another when they were initially tagged.

Cheerio John



On 15 June 2015 at 15:39, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:


 Kate

 I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are,
 perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could
 easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an
 afternoon and so on.

 But that is not the point, Robert was claiming that the remote part of
 MM was designed to address 'the Western core of OSM contributors'. His
 words, not mine, and clearly, from the first events on, that was not the
 case, regardless of definition.

 Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
 much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
 coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
 the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be. I'm
 sure it is a big boon for the involved organisations in any case.

 Everybody can do more or less do what they please in OSM which naturally
 includes MM, but just so I don't have to like everything and I do
 reserve myself the right to call a spade a spade.

 To end on a positive note: the team from HOT working on the activations
 in the wake of the Nepal earthquake had to come to grips with the
 reality that using disasters as a newbie recruiting events is perhaps
 not such a good idea and after a considerable number of issues labelled
 a lot of the tasks explicitly for experienced mappers which is likely
 the way it should be.

 Simon


 Am 15.06.2015 um 17:33 schrieb Kate Chapman:
  Simon,
 
  Can you explain to me who the core OSM contributors are?
 
  Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped
  data? That we don't really believe in our own success?
 
  -Kate
 
  On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
  mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick:
  ...
  
   Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the
 project
   and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM
 contributors, not
   to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and
 perhaps
   contribute to the project. As a result the remote component has
 gotten
   an outsized amount of attention within the greater OSM community
 even
   though it’s only half of the story.
  ...
 
 
  I had a long diatribe here as a response that I thought better of,
 but I
  really did want to point out that the remote part of missing maps has
  never addressed the core OSM contributors at all. I don't think, even
  with giving everybody a lot of slack, that it can be seen as anything
  else than a marketing activity of the involved organisations in which
  the net result is not of any real concern. And I don't think shifting
  the blame for the above to the journalists is in any way fair.
 
 
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Re: [Talk-pt] Alterações por karolinaheck

2015-06-15 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Topo Lusitania Lusitania
topolusita...@yahoo.com wrote:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31697629

O bbox (a área) grande se dá por causa desta linha de transmissão:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/351221653

Eu creio que foi algum erro do usuário.
Note como a pessoa utilizou o JOSM e todos os objetos possuem versão 1
(ou seja, ela não apagou e nem modificou nada do que existia, apenas
inseriu novos objetos)

Parece que de alguma forma ela duplicou o que já existia.
Por exemplo, a mata que já estava traçada:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/283786935

E a que ela inseriu (idêntica, duplicando):
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/351221664

Para ver o que foi inserido:
http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=31697629

Se a duplicação se der em todos os objetos precisa reverter o changeset.

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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM



sent from a phone

 Am 15.06.2015 um 20:15 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com:
 
 Mi fai dire che è più facile che l'elemento atomico, a cui dovremmo legare
 l'elemento osm, si trovi su wikidata e non su wikipedia. i vari wikidata, da
 quello che ho visto, hanno un unico oggetto e al massimo indicato il legame
 con altri...


gli oggetti wikidata che ho visto corrispondono ad articoli Wikipedia, per 
esempio spesso wikipedia non distingue tra entità amministrativa e luogo 
geografico (distingue, ma tratta entrambi nello stesso articolo)


 
 non so...potresti portarmi qualche esempio di quello che intendi? non riesco
 a capire come possano esserci i casi di ambiguità in wikidata se non c'è
 errore nella scelta ed inserimento dell'articolo wikipedia in un oggetto su
 osm.


non sono proprio errori. Il mappatore ha scelto l'articolo WP che tratta 
l'oggetto OSM  che ha mappato, e in wikidata hanno poi creato un oggetto per 
l'articolo WP. Solo che non è detto che questa operazione funziona anche 
nell'altra direzione, e che quindi quel oggetto wikidata sia lo stesso di 
quello OSM.

Per non essere frainteso: spesso funziona, ma i casi dove non funziona non sono 
poi così rari (penso a base di qualche campione che ho guardato, non è 
un'analisi sistematica), quindi va bene inserire link wikidata, ma non in 
maniera automatica.


ciao 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bidford Bridge

2015-06-15 Thread Brian

Highway=cycleway

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Jun 2015, at 19:17, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Having seen this sad news:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348
 
 I've marked the OSM object:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348
 
 as access=cyclists; pedestrians. Is there a better tag?
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Rafael Avila Coya

Hi, Eros:

Yes, this was another subject that arose during this conversation. And I
agree totally with what you say.

I have been always interested/worried about the low numbers of women
involved in free software/free knowledge projects. The situation in OSM
is far from being healthy in what respects to genre equality, and there
have been several talks about this issue in some of the SOTM's. I've
been teaching for many years in secondary schools, so I can assure you
that girls aren't less interested in computing than boys, and in the
several activities I did with OSM, girls numbers were actually bigger
than boys. Believe me: I didn't see any difference in students, as far
as you take inclusive measures to avoid discrimination of any kind.

Apart from the links given by Kate, I can recall a very interesting
keynote of Alyssa Wright about this subject in the SOTM 2013 [1] (only
slides).

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1]
http://web.archive.org/web/20150328164447/http://www.slideshare.net/apw217/changing-the-ratio

On 15/06/15 20:11, Eros, Emily wrote:
Hi all,

In the midst of the discussion about remote mapping, I couldn¹t help but
notice this comment from Sarah:

In my experience, the issue is not that OSM is not welcoming for woman
but simply that it is not
interesting enough for them.

I was surprised to see this and I have to say that I disagree. I find it
hard to believe that half the population isn¹t interested in mapping just
because they are female; the active engagement of so many women in the OSM
community certainly suggests otherwise.

Maybe I am misreading the intent of that comment? If so, please disregard.
If not, and I¹m reading this correctly, then may I suggest looking deeper
to see if there are other factors (beyond pure lack of interest)
preventing the women you know from taking an interest in OSM? Maybe
there¹s a different engagement strategy you could consider?

#InterestedEnoughToMap,
Emily

From: Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de
To: Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com
Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping
Message-ID: 20150614083150.ga20...@denofr.de
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Diversity to me has never just been gender. Though it has been shown
that
if you make a place welcoming to women it also makes it more inviting
for
other underrepresented groups. Intersectional feminism is about equality
for everyone.

This argument still has a sour taste to me. In my experience, the issue
is not that OSM is not welcoming for woman but simply that it is not
interesting enough for them. The outcome is the same but the actions to
take are vastly different. I do agree with you though, that finding
a solution to attract more woman will also show a way to attract other
underrepresented groups. After all, it is exactly the same argument as
above: the interests of the map makers and the potential map users
don't match.

Sarah

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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM

dieterdreist wrote
 sent from a phone
 
 Am 15.06.2015 um 20:15 schrieb Aury88 lt;

 spacedriver88@

 gt;:
 
 quindi o si sbaglia ad
 inserire l'oggetto wikipedia su osm e di conseguenza sbagliamo anche il
 wikidata  altrimenti l'argomento wikipedia corretto ha l'equivalente
 wikidata corretto
 
 
 faccio un esempio: piazza di spagna a Roma. La famosa scalinata non ha un
 articolo nella Wikipedia italiana, e quindi anche in wikidata mancava il
 nome italiano. Infatti con lo stato attuale non c'è link ad una pagina
 italiana di WP per la scalinata:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/134400816
 Situazioni simili occorrono tantissimi, soprattutto se uno guarda più
 lingue (se guardi solo una lingua non ti accorgi, o molto meno).
 
 ciao 
 Martin

appunto, non c'è la pagina wikipedia riferito alla scala quindi non è stato
associato alcun tag wikipedia a questo elemento. a questo punto, anche
utilizzando un sistema automatico, non verrebbe associato neanche l'elemento
wikidata alla scalinata.
 potrebbe esistere comunque una pagina wikidata a lei dedicata, ma non
verrebbe associata attraverso l'utilizzo del tag wikipedia, ma ci dovrebbe
pensare il mappatore  (o un sistema automatico che usa altri dati e non il
tag wikipedia).
Quindi mi stai confermando che se c'è un elemento wikipedia associato ad un
oggetto su osm ci deve essere un elemento wikidata ugualmente associabile?





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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Pierre Béland

Hi Simon
There are projects that can contribute in various ways to the development of 
OpenStreetMap.  Any of these add a piece and contribute to make a complete, 
accurate map.
Imports are important to provide structured informations like boundaries, place 
names, etc. Surely not something to neglect. The same with the remote mapping.  
This help cover large areas, adding roads and buildings. But this does not 
either make a complete map. This is what I call the black and white map.
And yes local knowledge is adding color to the map. This is essential to 
develop better maps.  But should we accept statements saying that this is 
colonialism, western views to contribute to map in development countries?
This is not my perception coordinating over the last years to the various OSM 
responses including Hayian/Philippines, Ebola, Nepal and many others. At the 
same time, some of us have developped expertise and are supporting the local 
communities. We are a global community exchanging through internet and it is 
important to develop the thrust, to learn how to work together.
With the humanitarian responses, we have the opportunity to work together and 
develop this thrust and learn how to work together. I was pleased to see for 
the Nepal Earthquake response that I could co-lead with the Kathmandu Living 
Labs folks. They where working in quite difficult context and surely needed 
help. We have organized rapidly various working groups to deal with imagery, 
imports, validations, etc. plus interfacing with the international community. 
Manning Sambale from Philippines has also given back after we helped his 
community for the Hayian cyclone in 2013. Our colleagues from Africa, India, 
south America and surely elsewhere also contributed organizing various 
mapathons. 

As you pointed out,  we had to adjust for the Nepal response to the massive 
contribution of new contributors in a few weeks.  We have never seen that. 
There was more then 7,000 contributors and 17 million objects in 7 weeks. This 
is more then for the West Africa Ebola over a year. The first week, there was 
an average of 1,000 contributors a day.

This is the ransom of success for OSM,  being exposed to the medias, the 
international organizations recognizing our significant contribution to such 
humanitarian responses.
The answer to this is global. We should surely not let each community alone. 
The global OSM community needs to offer expertise to the national communities, 
to support them, help them manage for their contry adding significant 
informations to the map. 
Crowdsourcing is an OpenStreetMap reality.  There is not only the mapathons. 
Anybody can open an account and contribute, whatever are there skills. We like 
to say that we have more then 2 million contributors. But yes, a lot contribute 
only once. How can we assure that their experience will be fun and that they 
will come for a second day? 

Operations like for Nepal help see where we should improve collectively to 
produce better maps. The Tasking manager offers ways to coordinate the remote 
mapping. But we realize that we need to adapt it to the less experienced 
contributors. Reserving tasks for more experienced contributors for Nepal was 
not enough since any new contributor can select these tasks anyway. We are 
looking at ways to improve that, to assure that new contributors are better 
oriented to adapted learning material and easier tasks.
We could also pursue this reflexion with our Editors. Are they sufficiently 
adapted, the learning material easily accessible and adapted for the first 
contributors, the presets simplified, all of this assuring the new contributors 
will come back a second day? And this either for remote mapping or local 
mapping! 

regard 
Pierre 

  De : Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
 À : Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com 
Cc : osm talk@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Lundi 15 juin 2015 15h39
 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping
   

Kate

I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are,
perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could
easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an
afternoon and so on.

But that is not the point, Robert was claiming that the remote part of
MM was designed to address 'the Western core of OSM contributors'. His
words, not mine, and clearly, from the first events on, that was not the
case, regardless of definition.

Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be. I'm
sure it is a big boon for the involved organisations in any case.

Everybody can do more or less do what they please in OSM which naturally
includes MM, but just so I don't have to like everything and I do
reserve myself the right to call a

Re: [Talk-pt] Alterações por karolinaheck

2015-06-15 Thread Marcos Oliveira

Obrigado Nelson!

No dia 15 de junho de 2015 às 21:33, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Bom, do que olhei é tudo duplicação.
 Estou revertendo em #31697629

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Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson

Minh Nguyen writes:
  You aren't alone. I stopped bothering with tiger:reviewed tags back in 
  the Potlatch 1 days. It just isn't a well-designed tag:
  
  - not very discoverable to mappers who weren't around in 2008

Makes ways a sickly yellow if you edit using JOSM.

  - doesn't say whether the names, classification, or geometry was 
  reviewed, or whether the review covered the entire way

I remove it when I've checked (usually via field survey, but sometimes
when someone else that I know has been there) that the name is
correct, and ensured that the geometry is correct. I used to just
remove tiger:reviewed, but now I remove all the tiger: tags.

  But I think it'd be unfortunate to totally discount
  tiger:reviewed=no ways.

I think the usual thing to do is check to see if DaveHansenTiger is
still the owner.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Kate Chapman

I'm unsure if we have a good way to compare, but most people introduced to
OSM generally don't stick with it. Are the Missing Maps attrition rates any
different than people who find out about OSM in other ways?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

  Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
 much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
 coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
 the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be.

 I tend to validate in HOT more than map these days and one comment I'd
 make is I've seen new mappers come into Nepal and later transfer into other
 HOT projects, their mapping skills are improving as well.  Once they get
 going with JOSM their productivity tends to go up so they're getting close
 to the 5% core.  Quite a number of projects have benefited from the Nepal
 newbies and whilst they might be new to OSM at least two are better than I
 at picking out details or knowing what to look for.  I think one comment
 was its much the same as their normal work when they were looking at the
 flooding in the UK.

 Perhaps we need something like the HOT validation system in OSM more
 generally but I don't know how it would work.  Locally OSM mappers have
 used a rich range of tags, I'd say about 25% other than highways didn't get
 rendered for one reason or another when they were initially tagged.

 Cheerio John



 On 15 June 2015 at 15:39, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:


 Kate

 I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are,
 perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could
 easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an
 afternoon and so on.

 But that is not the point, Robert was claiming that the remote part of
 MM was designed to address 'the Western core of OSM contributors'. His
 words, not mine, and clearly, from the first events on, that was not the
 case, regardless of definition.

 Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
 much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
 coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
 the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be. I'm
 sure it is a big boon for the involved organisations in any case.

 Everybody can do more or less do what they please in OSM which naturally
 includes MM, but just so I don't have to like everything and I do
 reserve myself the right to call a spade a spade.

 To end on a positive note: the team from HOT working on the activations
 in the wake of the Nepal earthquake had to come to grips with the
 reality that using disasters as a newbie recruiting events is perhaps
 not such a good idea and after a considerable number of issues labelled
 a lot of the tasks explicitly for experienced mappers which is likely
 the way it should be.

 Simon


 Am 15.06.2015 um 17:33 schrieb Kate Chapman:
  Simon,
 
  Can you explain to me who the core OSM contributors are?
 
  Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped
  data? That we don't really believe in our own success?
 
  -Kate
 
  On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
  mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick:
  ...
  
   Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the
 project
   and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM
 contributors, not
   to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and
 perhaps
   contribute to the project. As a result the remote component has
 gotten
   an outsized amount of attention within the greater OSM community
 even
   though it’s only half of the story.
  ...
 
 
  I had a long diatribe here as a response that I thought better of,
 but I
  really did want to point out that the remote part of missing maps
 has
  never addressed the core OSM contributors at all. I don't think,
 even
  with giving everybody a lot of slack, that it can be seen as
 anything
  else than a marketing activity of the involved organisations in
 which
  the net result is not of any real concern. And I don't think
 shifting
  the blame for the above to the journalists is in any way fair.
 
 
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Re: [Talk-cat] Recull d'usos d'OpenStreetMap

2015-06-15 Thread Konfrare Albert

Ok,

Aquí el que podria ser la carta/correu:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Carta_a_PlatgesCat
Modifiqueu-hi el que us sembli adient.

@Jaume l'envies tu, doncs?

Merci!!

El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 21:56, Jaume Figueras i Jové 
jaume.figue...@upc.edu ha escrit:

 Hola,

 doncs ho posem a la wiki i els enviem el correu (això traduït vol dir que
 algú ho escrigui i si voleu els envio el correu :D ).

 Ja que estem en el tema, vaig enviar el correu a TV3, m'han respost i
 estem a l'espera que decideixin qui s'encarregarà d'aquest tema a TV3.

 Salut!

 On 15/06/15 20:39, Jan Esquerra wrote:

 a la pestanya de crèdits hi ha aquest contacte sistemes@gencat.cat
 mailto:sistemes@gencat.cat?subject=Platgescat

 El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 19:11, Konfrare Albert
 lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com mailto:lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com
 ha escrit:

 Hola Jan,

 Ara fa uns moments estava afegint més webs de diferents tipus que
 fan servir OpenStreetMap a

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Usos_d%27OpenStreetMap
 Afegiré també aquesta troballa. Gràcies ;))

 Ara bé, penso que hauríem d'enviar-los una petició perquè afegeixin
 el «© Col·laboradors d'OpenStreetMap» amb aquest enllaç:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
 És imprescindible que ho afegeixin.
 Com voleu fer-ho? Fem una carta oberta a la wiki com vam fer per TV3?
 Això és interessant -penso- perquè així queda tot documentat.
 Ja direu ;)

 Salut!

 El dia 15 de juny de 2015, 18:15, Jan Esquerra
 jan.esque...@gmail.com mailto:jan.esque...@gmail.com ha escrit:

 el nou web i app de platges
 http://aca-web.gencat.cat/aca/platgescat/index.html#inicial
 que han presentat avui

 http://premsa.gencat.cat/pres_fsvp/AppJava/notapremsavw/285026/ca/territori-i-sostenibilitat-millora-informacio-lestat-platges-crea-web-amb-prediccio-metereologica-maritima.do
 fa servir OSM

 ben bé no ho diu però remenant hi ha una pestanya de crèdits
 http://aca-web.gencat.cat/aca/platgescat/index.html#credits
 on hi apareix Mapbox, Nominatim i la llicència ODbL. Enlloc veig
 lo de “© Col·laboradors d'OpenStreetMap”, amb el processat de
 Mapbox s'hauran despistat.

 També hi ha mapes i ortofotos del ICGC en la informació
 detallada de cada platja (serveismapa de la zona), així segur
 que tothom sabrà arribar-hi ;-)

 Salut i bona feina

 Jan

 PD. els noms del mapa surten en català, triïs l'idioma que triïs
 en les preferències

 El dia 27 de maig de 2015, 0:13, Konfrare Albert
 lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com
 mailto:lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com ha escrit:

 Seguint la idea de Yopaseopor,

 He creat aquesta pàgina:

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Usos_d%27OpenStreetMap
 Per recollir-hi usos que es fan/s'han fet d'OpenStreetMap
 als PPCC.
 He enllaçat la pàgina a la pàgina principal del projecte.

 Segur que en falten molts, però entre tots segur que podem
 ampliar molt el llista. Siusplau, afegiu-hi tots aquells que
 us vinguin al cap.

 Merci ;)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

2015-06-15 Thread Simon Poole



Am 15.06.2015 um 22:18 schrieb Arun Ganesh:
 Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local
 community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks
 could improve things. 
 
 The very simple answer is that most people who know English and can
 afford a smartphone already use Google maps which work reasonably well
 in India. OSM is atleast 10 years behind in coverage and there is just a
 handful like me who have the luxury of free time who can see the long
 term benefits of contributing to open source. To the rest, they already
 have working maps, so why bother.
 
...

I would just want to point out that that the last point is not vastly
different in Western Europe and a lot of other regions.

I suspect the key to success is to find the itch that OSM can scratch
that currently isn't well served by google or other map providers. In
Europe early on (and still) it was cyclists. In full realisation that
the economic constraints are very different and this is a very cultural
dependent thing. What worked for region X is unlikely to work for Y.

...
 
 Change is happening, but its going to take a few years till there is
 visible traction in community growth.
 

I see no problem with that, I liken OSM to the tortoise in the fable.*

Simon

* I have at other times shown https://youtu.be/TdUsyXQ8Wrs as a
introduction particularly when competition has been present :-).




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Re: [Talk-it] Wikidata in OSM

dieterdreist wrote
 gli oggetti wikidata che ho visto corrispondono ad articoli Wikipedia, per
 esempio spesso wikipedia non distingue tra entità amministrativa e luogo
 geografico (distingue, ma tratta entrambi nello stesso articolo)
 
 
 non sono proprio errori. Il mappatore ha scelto l'articolo WP che tratta
 l'oggetto OSM  che ha mappato, e in wikidata hanno poi creato un oggetto
 per l'articolo WP. Solo che non è detto che questa operazione funziona
 anche nell'altra direzione, e che quindi quel oggetto wikidata sia lo
 stesso di quello OSM.

scusami non riesco a capire...la vedrò troppo da ingegnere ma se
datoOSM=datoWP e datoWD=datoWP (perchè da esso generato) allora
datoOSM=datoWD.
posso capire il fatto che alcuni dati osm possano trovare riscontro con dati
wikidata e non con dati wikipedia (almeno nei casi di wikidata non generati
automaticamente da wikipedia) ma non riesco a capire il contrario cioè di
dati wikipedia associati ad osm validi e dati wikidata generati da quella
stessa pagina wikipedia che non sono validi associati allo stesso oggetto.
il caso che porti di articoli wikipedia che trattano sia luogo geografico
che confine amministrativo teoricamente sono ambigui e non potrebbero essere
associati ne al confine amministrativo ne al luogo su osm. essendo quindi il
WP ambiguo lo diventa in egual maniera l'elemento WD da esso generato e
quindi ugualmente incorretto associarlo a quell'elemento su osm. il caso di
WP corretto secondo me genera un WD ugualmente corretto (se non di più);
Dove sto sbagliando?
Per farmi capire cosa intendi, potrebbe essere molto utile trovare  un caso
in cui la pagina WP sia correttamente associata ad un elemento OSM con la
relativa WD generata da essa che invece sarebbe sbagliato associare
all'elemento OSM.a
Fino ad adesso ho visto casi di WP associati male ad elementi  OSM e quindi
i cui WD sarebbero ugualmente sbagliati ed un caso dove WP non è proprio
associato ll'elemento osm e quindi dove il problema non si pone a priori.

Scusami se ti faccio perdere tempo Martin, ma vorrei capire bene questa cosa
prima di inserire (naturalmente a mano, non ho le capacità per fare un bot)
tag ad elementi potenzialmente sbagliati senza avere i dovuti dubbi su ciò
che sto facendo ;)






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[OSM-talk-fr] Rentrer un itinéraire vélo

2015-06-15 Thread Eric Debeau

Bonsoir

J'aimerais savoir quel est le moyen le plus simple pour saisir un
itinéraire (ie velo) sur OSM.

Existe-t-il des outils permettant de traduire un itinéraire depuis un
fichier GPX en format OSM ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de plugin JOSM.

L'objectif est de sensibiliser des acteurs locaux à rentrer les itinéraires
balisés sur le terrain dans OSM et donc de leur proposer les outils les
plus simples possibles sachant qu'ils ont à disposition des fcihiers GPX.

Merci de vos retours

Eric
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