[Talk-us] [Talk-us-nps] North Carolina National Park

[Jim McAndrew]

Nic,

I'm CCing the general talk-us on this, since National Forests are outside
of the separate from the National Park Service, and there may be someone
there who can provide more guidance.

In this particular case the Pocosin Wilderness Area is managed by the
Forest Service (part of the US Dept of Agriculture), although "wilderness
areas" can be managed by a number of groups within the federal government.

If you're using data from state governments, you will need to look at the
licensing restrictions, because many states do not release their data into
public domain. US Federal government datasets are mandated to be in the
public domain, so there are no issues using them for OpenStreetMap.

Since this National Forest and Wildlife area are not units of the National
Park System, you will not find them in the irma.nps.gov dataset. It looks
like your best source of data for this will be the PDF that you linked:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5403940.pdf --
Although it doesn't appear that the PDF is geo-enabled.

I was able to find the boundary in the dataset named "Administrative Forest
Boundaries": https://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/edw/datasets.
php?dsetCategory=boundaries
That may be another good source.

I would also suggest overlaying the boundaries and making tweaks to the
existing OSM boundary instead of importing the new boundary and deleting
the old. That would allow existing points in the database to maintain their
history.

I'm hoping someone from the general talk-us group can provide more input on
this. Best of luck!

--
Jim McAndrew



On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:39 AM Nicolas Duclos  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I’m new in OSM Community and after a short trip on East Coast of North
> Carolina, I decided to help making NC more accurate than it is right now.
>
> I’m currently trying to edit or remake the Croatan National Forest, but
> I’m not too sure how to achieve it by importing data. Currently for some
> reasons there is two Croatan National Forest at the same place and the
> shape is not really accurate compared to other maps out there.
>
> Here is what I found :
>
> http://data.nconemap.gov/geoportal/dataexplorer/index.jsp
>
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5403940.pdf
>
> Not too sure about the proclamation area on the map and what’s the
> difference between national forest and wilderness.
>
> I could also create trails and outdoor activities spot in OSM.
>
> Data :
>
> http://data.nconemap.gov/geoportal/catalog/main/home.page (type *marea*
> in search box)
> or
> https://irma.nps.gov/DataStore/Reference/Profile/2224545?lnv=True
>
> Not too sure which data to take or how they works.
>
> Thank you very much for your help.
>
> Nic from Canada 
>
>
>
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] NJ Mapping Party Sunday 4/16 for National Park Week

[Jim McAndrew]

OSM-US,

I'm going to be running a three hour Mapping Party in Gateway National
Recreation Area in conjunction with National Park Week. If you know of
anyone who wants to attend, or have any good tips for getting information
out about it, let me know!

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstreetmap-party-sandy-hook-nj-tickets-24439452059

--
Jim McAndrew
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

[Jim McAndrew]

Sorry for the google maps links on this, but I've found NJ's use of
shoulders (or "curb lanes") as bike lanes kind of strange. I would tag this
as cycleway=lane but nothing for shoulder.
For example: (note the trash can in the "lane")

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5149298,-74.5297972,3a,40.9y,53.58h,83.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QLvGdBx82YW5Xs75YzWzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Although I felt perfectly safe biking on this road this morning (without
the sharrows / bikes only sign):
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5407346,-74.5356208,3a,75y,207.71h,66.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJwFCiQoh4c09hukm1CsuNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This would be a good candidate for the shoulder tag, but some shoulders are
not bikable at all because of debris, grates, illegally? parked cars, etc.

The second one looks more similar to CR 546, and I would definitely want to
be able to see this information in OpenStreetMap, because these road tend
to be far more bikable than something without a shoulder. Which is
extremely common in NJ.

(example:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.299179,-74.8338145,3a,75y,69.82h,65.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DedhRN9KpSkOu9mpGC1w-SQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.6606%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656
)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> Take a look at this map of the area
> http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/
>
> It would not be used as a source, but it gives you an idea of what
> people call bike-able around here.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
> > Elliott Plack wrote:
> >> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps
> >> recommending that the routing tools consider that.
> >
> > I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to cycle.travel when
> > there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM
> > database - missing shoulder information is the second biggest bike
> routing
> > issue in the US IMO (after bogus TIGER highway=residential, of course).
> But
> > as Paul says, please don't misuse cycleway tags for this.
> >
> > cheers
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Extra-wide-shoulders-travel-lanes-in-NJ-tp5856823p5856885.html
> > Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> > ___
> > Talk-us mailing list
> > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
>
>
>
> --
> James Michael DuPont
> Kansas Linux Fest http://kansaslinuxfest.us
> Free/Libre Open Source and Open Knowledge Association of Kansas
> http://openkansas.us
> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org
> Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion
> http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com
>
> ___
> Talk-us mailing list
> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
>
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] hgv=designated in US National Park

[Jim McAndrew]

Trail Ridge Road is a bit of an exception to normal NPS rules because it
does connect two population centers that are otherwise very far from each
other.
I don't have any more specific knowledge on the exceptions other than the
stories from Russell.
In any case, you do need to check in at the gate and explain why you can
legally use the road.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Russell Deffner russdeff...@gmail.com
wrote:

 No problem, had to do some searching and further remembering. The
 ‘agreement’ we were using was called the ‘tri-county waiver’ which allowed
 Boulder, Grand and Larimer county residents to pass through for work (it
 has changed a bit according to a search).  However, there is also:
 http://www.nps.gov/romo/planyourvisit/commercial_trucking_permits.htm so
 I think access=destination may be best choice through RMNP (according to
 the wiki, first thought was =permissive)?

 =Russ



 *From:* Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 9:28 PM
 *To:* Russell Deffner
 *Cc:* Open Street Map Talk-US
 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] hgv=designated in US National Park



 Russ,



 Thanks for the additional information. Perhaps hgv=destination?



 I am pretty sure that if one showed up at one of the Estes Park entrances
 with a semi and told them that you had to make a delivery in Granby they
 wouldn't let you through. The next time I am up there I will ask.



 Mike



 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Russell Deffner 
 russell.deff...@hotosm.org wrote:

 Dang, sorry; just caught my typo, hgv=private may NOT be the proper tag.



 *From:* Russell Deffner [mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org]
 *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:02 PM
 *To:* 'Mike Thompson'
 *Cc:* 'Open Street Map Talk-US'
 *Subject:* RE: [Talk-us] hgv=designated in US National Park



 Hi again Mike, I should have specified – the entirety of Trail Ridge Road
 J



 I think we did actually come in (from the east, i.e. FC to Granby) via
 36.  I would say hgv=private is the ‘correct’ tag; in this case the
 ‘highway’ is actually ‘State controlled w/ agreements of the Park Service’,
 maybe Jim or one of them have a better answer, but it seems more like “this
 is a State Highway” if you ‘know the rules’ and have a valid ID you can use
 it accordingly. (in our case we just had to have a Fort Collins address and
 say “we’re on our way to work in Granby” – this was in either our work
 trucks or my personal vehicle).



 Anyway, hope this helps find proper tagging for 34/36/Trail Ridge Road;
 cheers!

 =Russ



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] Proper tagging for crosswalks

[Jim McAndrew]

I am looking into tagging some crosswalks, and I've just been putting a
node at the intersection. Some crosswalks are really long though, and I
think that information is important to the person crossing the road. Is
there an acceptable way that we can tag a way as a crosswalk without
interfering with its other tags (ex: highway=crossing on a way could
interfere with a tag like highway=path).

I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on what we can do or why we shouldn't
try this.

--
Jim
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Proper tagging for crosswalks

[Jim McAndrew]

Paul, Bryan,

Thanks for your help with this! My issue was with bicycle trails that cross
roads, as they usually put a crosswalk in for these cases, but the route
itself can support other non-motorized vehicles. I think this gives me some
good options that would be acceptable.

1) I could use highway=footway, footway=crossing, bicycle=yes -- which is a
little misleading, but could make sense

2) I could also use highway=path, crossing=yes, bicycle=yes -- this seems
better to me, but I don't know if it's acceptable to use crossing without
connecting it to a value

--
Jim

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote:

 It’s ok to map them as either a single intersection node or a way.  Here
 is my understanding from the various wiki pages the document these things,
 and it matches what I see people map in places with sidewalks and
 crosswalks.  Keep in mind, the wiki does seem to change kind of frequently,
 and in my opinion there are too many extra detail crosswalk tags that just
 aren’t used in practice.

 If mapping only the intersection node, `highway=crossing` on that node is
 enough.  If you want to add detail, `crossing=zebra` for a typical striped
 crosswalk, or `crossing=*` for whatever other kind of crosswalk people can
 dream up (there are plenty, see wiki).

 If mapping the crosswalk as a way, I map the node as above, and also map
 the way that crosses the street as `highway=footway + footway=crossing`.
 Again you can add `crossing=zebra` or `crossing=*` for more detail.  These
 don’t conflict with anything, as the ends of the crosswalk typically join
 up with a `highway=footway + footway=sidewalk`.

 iD currently only has a zebra crossing preset, and I think I’m going to
 add an unmarked crossing preset also, following discussion on HOT list.

 Thanks, Bryan





  On Jun 23, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:
 
  I am looking into tagging some crosswalks, and I've just been putting a
 node at the intersection. Some crosswalks are really long though, and I
 think that information is important to the person crossing the road. Is
 there an acceptable way that we can tag a way as a crosswalk without
 interfering with its other tags (ex: highway=crossing on a way could
 interfere with a tag like highway=path).
 
  I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on what we can do or why we
 shouldn't try this.
 
  --
  Jim
  ___
  Talk-us mailing list
  Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Data sources for National Monument boundaries?

[Jim McAndrew]

We (NPMap at the National Park Service) use the IRMA boundaries for most of
our maps, but we have updated a few of the park boundaries in our own
database.

You can find our data here:
https://nationalparkservice.cartodb.com/u/nps/tables/parks

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 Steve,
 That Ten Steps plan sounds interesting. I would appreciate a copy as well.

 Clifford

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 Ian McEwen writes:

 Does anyone know where this data is available/usable for OSM purposes?


 You might try
 http://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/edw/datasets.php?dsetCategory=boundaries
 where you can scroll down to National Forest Lands with Nationally
 Designated Management or Use Limitations and download the shapefile.
 (Shapefiles can be opened in JOSM if you also install a plugin). These data
 only contain National Monuments WITHIN National Forests, but the data are
 not even a week old, and are at least something.  I don't know what is
 included in Arizona, but it's probably worth a look.

 If this is daunting, too large a dataset, or you need additional
 technical help, email me and I'll send you my Ten steps for getting USFS
 data into OSM tutorial, which I've sent out several times to grateful
 recipients.

 SteveA
 California


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us




 --
 @osm_seattle
 osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us
 OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] request to revert changeset

[Jim McAndrew]

If it's your own changeset, it's pretty easy to do in JOSM:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/731/how-can-i-revert-a-changeset

You can also go back and manually make the edits, but I find that sometimes
its a lot easier just to revert an entire changeset than to go in and try
to make it correct.

If you'd like, I can revert it as well, just let me know.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Ed Hillsman hills...@pobox.com wrote:

 How do I request to revert a changeset? This morning I went into Potlatch
 2 to do some editing, and I noticed a park lot of streets were missing in
 long narrow east-west area. The features still showed as missing after
 making a number of changes in zoom and panning along the window. So,
 without looking at the rendered map (I’ll do this if it ever happens
 again), I added the missing features back. Upon closing the changeset, I
 noticed what looked like original data (a tag value I couldn’t add back
 without making a site visit to the area). When I then re-opened the editor,
 I found the missing data along with what I had just added.

 The changeset number is 31177943, titled retrace/add a number of streets
 mysteriously deleated, Matthew Avenue NW and viciinity, an east-west window.

 Ed Hillsman
 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] New York, Ellis Island Boundary

[Jim McAndrew]

This is correct, the island is part of NY, but the water is part of NJ,
when they made the island bigger, the new land was in NJ.

Similar to how Delaware has the entire Delaware Bay in its boundaries. They
added some fill to the NJ side, and now there's a piece of Delaware
connected to New Jersey:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.6142/-75.5635
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finns_Point


On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Luis Villa l...@lu.is wrote:

 Possibly useful context:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_v._New_York

 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 9:30 AM Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 wrote:

 On 5/10/15 11:57 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
  On 5/10/15 11:31 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
  Hi,
 
 puzzled about
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37573502#map=18/40.69986/-74.03910
 
  is this really part of today's political boundary, then (historical)
  should perhaps be removed from the name. And is there any significance
  to the funny shape (an owl sitting on a branch?) or should it rather be
  aligned with the coastline?
 
  this looks like a carve out, a tiny enclave of NYS/NYC surrounded by
  New Jersey. i'll look at the newer TIGER data in a little bit and see
  what i can see there.
 now that i have thought about it, Ellis Island is mostly fill. the
 political
 boundary likely matches the original waterline of the island and it
 was simply never changed. as it was operated by the Federal government,
 there was probably little motivation to do so.

 richard

 --
 rwe...@averillpark.net
  Averill Park Networking - GIS  IT Consulting
  OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux
  Java - Web Applications - Search


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Great Lakes Boundaries

[Jim McAndrew]

Mike,

Thanks for doing this! It sounds like a much bigger ordeal than I had
originally thought.

--
Jim

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote:

 All,

 Since no objection to removing natural=water from the Lake Superior
 relation has been expressed, I have removed it. I also amended the note on
 the relation asking that it not be added back in.

 Mike

 On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 9:08 PM, David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Inland sea...



 On Apr 25, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
 wrote:





 Am 24.04.2015 um 17:23 schrieb AJ Ashton aj.ash...@gmail.com:

 Yes, if Lake Superior is mapped as natural=coastline (which I think is
 the easier-to-maintain approach for such a large  complex water body) then
 we should remove natural=water from the multipolygon relation (r4039486).
 Does anyone have any objection to this? It's causing some noticeable
 rendering issues both in the standard style and for data consumers.



 yes, if the coastline tag remains it seems logical to remove the
 natural=water tag. Semantically the coastline tag on a freshwater lake is
 clearly wrong, but it seems to be an accepted compromise in this case:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline#What_about_lakes.3F


 cheers
 Martin

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] No Parallel/Resize or Copy/Paste in iD editor?

[Jim McAndrew]

This is great, we're using a recent build of iD and we love the
cmd/ctrl-C/V commands, it has really made our editing a lot quicker!

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote:

 iD will use the modifier key Cmd on Mac and Ctrl on Windows/Linux.  It
 adjusts the popup tooltips to say the correct thing too.

 I didn't put anything in the builtin help yet about Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V but
 I do intend to. I only added the copy buffer code in the latest release a
 month ago.  Also I'll probably be implanting a popup help page to list all
 the keyboard shortcuts sometime in the next few months.

 Thanks, Bryan


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 20, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com
 wrote:

 Bryan,

 Do you mean Control-C and Control-V, which are the usual Windows
 way to copy and paste?

 --C


 At 07:19 AM 4/19/2015, you wrote:

 On Apr 18, 2015, at 8:39 PM, David Wisbey  yourvillagem...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  don't
 see any way to create parallel features (or Copy and Paste as in JOSM).


 We don't have a way to create parallel features yet, but there is an open
 issue for it in github.  It's something that a lot of people request and I
 agree would be a useful tool.

 Copy and paste does now work with cmd-C / cmd-V, this is a recent
 addition.

 Thanks, Bryan


 Sent from my iPhone


 ___ Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

  Charlotte Wolter
 927 18th Street Suite A
 Santa Monica, California
 90403
 +1-310-597-4040
 techl...@techlady.com
 Skype: thetechlady

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Great Lakes Boundaries

[Jim McAndrew]

Mike,

That's the issue! I know there's some weird stuff going on with the great
lakes either being coastlines or giant lakes. I don't have any experience
working on something that large in OSM. We are using OSM data for an NPS
map, and Isle Royale is a NPS unit, so I'd like to try to get it to look as
correct as possible.

--
Jim

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim,

 Are you referring to how Isle Royale spills into Lake Superior?  Might
 it be a broken relation rather than a tagging issue?

 Mike

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:

 I've been noticing some weird tile issues around the Great Lakes.
 What is the best way to tag these islands so they render properly?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/47.9399/-88.8770

 I suppose the lake might be frozen right now, so maybe it is correct :).

 Thanks!
 --
 Jim

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors

[Jim McAndrew]

I'd like to thank Russ as well!

I was a long time lurker in OSM, but never did any edits myself. I saw a PR
piece for the Boston mapping party, and thought.. Maps and Parties? Why am
I not attending that? Then I saw that there would be a meetup in New York
the next week. I borrowed my brother-in-law's GPS and I mapped Central
Park.  6 years later, I'm still doing something with OSM (almost) every day.

Thanks Russ, Dirk, Sarah, Thea, and Hurricane!

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:

  On 4/6/15 12:06 AM, Kate Chapman wrote:

 Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson
 when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore,
 that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to
 that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood. Thanks Russ!


  i'll thank Russ too. we go back in an entirely different internet
 community (anti-spam) and when he dropped out to go to
 Cloudmade it piqued my interest due to my long term love of
 maps (going back to boy scouts). so here i am.

 richard

 -- rwe...@averillpark.net
  Averill Park Networking - GIS  IT Consulting
  OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux
  Java - Web Applications - Search


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Meetup sponsorship

[Jim McAndrew]

Steve,

Our meetup group OSM-Colorado is up for renewal in September, what can I
do to have Telenav help us sponsor the group?

--
Jim


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Hi

 I had a number of threads with people on Telenav sponsoring meetup groups.
 The process has now been worked out (much more smooth) and I wanted to make
 sure I closed the loop with everyone. So if I've missed you please drop me
 a line.

 Thanks

 Steve
 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Beach routing

[Jim McAndrew]

I think this would be a great addition for routing.
I would make sure that you add tags like bicycle=no, even though bicycles
are probably not forbidden, bicycles and sand generally do not mix. (
http://www.njbikemap.com/ omits dirt roads in southern jersey for this
reason)
Another consideration is that outside of Atlantic City and Wildwood, most
beaches require a beach tags/badges to use the beach. I'm not sure what the
best way to tag these areas would be, but it would be important for routing
people who are not familiar with the area.

--
Jim


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com
wrote:

 A few years ago, I mapped beach access paths, too: http://ow.ly/yZT3G
 But I did not map along the beach as there was no clearly defined path or
 boardwalk, nor could I see a compelling case for doing so. I can see a
 reason if driving, horses, bikes compete for access, or there are areas
 that permit/restrict access to the beach.

 -- SEJ
 -- twitter: @geomantic
 -- skype: sejohnson8

 There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate
 from incomplete data.


 On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com
 wrote:

 I say go ahead and add it, though `highway=track` (with appropriate
 access tag) might make more sense if vehicles drive along the beach.

 Here in NJ, people have also been mapping the paths that lead down to the
 beach from the boardwalks, but they generally aren’t connected.  I’m a
 runner, so I would find it useful to know which stretches of beach are
 passable and what the surface is like.

 Thanks, Bryan



 On Jul 9, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 OSM US:

 I've been using some routing engines to map fitness routes (e.g. Strava)
 that use OSM data. Along our US coasts, there are beaches. The beaches I'm
 familiar with are popular with walkers and joggers to go up and down the
 shore, since access is generally open to anyone along the water's edge. I'm
 considering adding a `highway=path` along the beach to facilitate this. I'd
 add the connections to the walking paths between parking lots and the beach
 as well.

 For uninterrupted strips of sandy beach, would a path be appropriate to
 indicate walkability?

 How the map looks now in iD: http://i.imgur.com/2EQ06BR.jpg
 What I'd propose to do (note the connections):
 http://i.imgur.com/i8dj6lQ.jpg
 Area of the examples:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/38.45143/-75.04957

 Thanks,

 --
 Elliott Plack
 http://about.me/elliottp
  ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] NJ Orthoimagery

[Jim McAndrew]

Ian,

I can put you in contact with the people in charge of the map servers at
the USGS.  There has been some turnover in the position recently, so things
have been a bit mixed up.  In the meantime, The National Map uses the
following link:
http://basemap.nationalmap.gov/arcgis/rest/services/USGSImageryOnly/MapServer

Bryan,

Thanks for this NJ data, it may come in handy!

--
Jim




On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote:

 Hey Ian that’s cool, I didn’t know this service was available.
 Would you consider proxying the New Jersey high res orthos too from
 2012-2013?
 More info:
 https://njgin.state.nj.us/NJ_NJGINExplorer/jviewer.jsp?pg=2012_OrthoImagery

 Metadata for this layer is here:

 https://njgin.state.nj.us/NJ_NJGINExplorer/ShowMetadata.jsp?docId={DF49386A-73AC-4A1A-B6DC-13B769E176A4}
 (their page indicates that there are no constraints on access or use,
 though a source acknowledgment is appreciated)

 Their WMS server is here:

 http://njwebmap.state.nj.us/njimagery?REQUEST=GetCapabilitiesSERVICE=WMSVERSION=1.1.1





 On Jul 7, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Note that the OSM US server tiles and caches the USGS NAIP and High Res
 Orthos and more information can be found here:


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Servers/Imagery

 ...but the upstream USGS server that used to host this imagery seems to be
 broken (it's throwing 500's). I'm working on finding someone to talk to
 about that, but until then we'll have to find something else.


 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com
 wrote:

 The project for the common imagery sources is here:
 https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index

 You could enter an issue there to include this source so that it will be
 available in the various OSM editors.  Before including it in the index,
 they will want to ensure that the source is properly licensed and has a
 bounding polygon around where the imagery is valid.



 On Jul 6, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi all,


 I noticed that there is a wiki page on the USGS High Resolution
 Orthoimagery
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/USGS_High_Resolution_Orthoimagery,
 but that the link is outdated. The new resource to use is likely one of
 these http://isse.cr.usgs.gov/ArcGIS/rest/services/Orthoimagery
 folders. I've looked at the 1-foot imagery, and this seems to be sharper or
 equal quality than the Bing imagery in at least two areas. In addition,
 according to this http://cumulus.cr.usgs.gov/listofortho.php page,
 only Canada and the border data is marked as View only; all other
 counties are public domain.


 Is there any reason this imagery can't be used in OSM, and perhaps even
 be added as one of the pre-existing imagery sources in JOSM?


 --
 Saikrishna Arcot
 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

[Jim McAndrew]

It would be nice to have the SOTM-US within driving distance from Denver,
but I enjoy the travel too. I'd suggest Philly if I wanted to get a bid
together, but I don't think I'll be doing that this year.

I would love to see some good bids this year, and hopefully if those bids
aren't selected, the information can be updated for next year's bidding.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM, richiekenned...@gmail.com wrote:

  Seeing as how the “official” location of the lower 48’s centroid is in
 north-central Kansas, I’d have to dispute your claim that Tulsa is the
 closest major metro area. Looks to me that Lincoln, Nebraska would be the
 closest.  There’s also Wichita, Omaha, Topeka, and Kansas City.

 --
 Richie Kennedy
 www.route56.com * richiekenned...@gmail.com
 facebook.com/route56 * twitter.com/route56

 I'm not crazy. I'm just ahead of my time.

 *From:* Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
 *Sent:* ‎Friday‎, ‎November‎ ‎15‎, ‎2013 ‎10‎:‎19‎ ‎AM
 *To:* OpenStreetMap talk-us list talk-us@openstreetmap.org

 How about Tulsa, Oklahoma?  Closest major metro area to the lower 48's
 centroid.  Can't get much more heartland than that.

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] OSM US election status

[Jim McAndrew]

I agree that it's great that so many great people are motivated to
participate on the board!

In the past, we have had enough interest in the project that we created
working groups, and it looks like we may be getting enough interested
again. The interest in the working groups has certainly waned since OSM US
first started, but I think the groups can be recreated and can be very
helpful to the advancement of open source mapping within the United States.

I think that we should have an Editathon working group that plans the
Editathons and themes.
I would like to participate in a group devoted to mapping national parks
such as this project:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_US_National_Parks

I think last time we had too many groups and no real organization between
them.  I'm hoping we can learn from that and have successful working groups
this time around.

Good luck to all the candidates!
--
Jim McAndrew
(Soon to be former Vice President of OSM US)


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:

 On 10/5/2013 1:51 PM, Michal Migurski wrote:

 Can I just point out that the breadth of candidates this year is a very
 pleasant surprise?


 Agreed!  It turned the voting into a challenging process.



 __**_
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

[Jim McAndrew]

It sounds like we want CDPs and not hamlets, although there is some
overlap.  What would be ideal would be to remove all the hamlets and import
the CDPs, but we could also just remove all hamlets that aren't also a CDP.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 wrote:

  i think this varies state-to-state.  the following applies to NY.
 
  hamlets are not incorporated areas and have no government functions.

  in urban areas, hamlets are generally once distinct communities
  that have been absorbed into larger entities. they have no legal
 standing,
  but frequently the postal service will still deliver based on the name.

  in rural areas in NY, hamlets generally have white on green road signs
  erected by the state highway department and may have a CDP boundary.
  local post offices and/or school districts may use the same name as the
  hamlet.
 
  the CDP boundaries are at best vaguely related to the post office
 delivery
  routes sharing the name.

 I'm disinclined to touch a CDP based on my experience of living in
 one. In some places, they have the same function as a town.

 In NYC and DC, the hamlets were not places I'd ever heard of (even if
 they were close by). If they're just apartments, then it seems silly
 to keep them around, even if the post office delivers to them.

 So if I read you correctly, it seems like in urban areas that we know
 it's generally safe to reclassify them (either as a building, or
 building complex (as a multipolygon), or perhaps a neighborhood.

 Is that a fair statement?

 - Serge

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

[Jim McAndrew]

In Pennsylvania, Villages are often labeled as Hamlets.  These villages
always appear within another municipality (as the entire state is
incorporated).  They don't have any legal entity associated with them, and
they are probably becoming less important as suburbs take over the old
farming areas.  They are still fairly important to people in Pennsylvania
as far as giving directions or discussing a location.

There are also populated places (such as this one, Chickentown:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/157635699) that  the locals have
no idea that it exists. The people who do know about, know it because
online services tell them that they are in that town.  Down the road a
little bit, there is another Hamlet (Hecktown:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1993248917) which definitely
exists. They have their own fire station, and people in the area generally
know where it is.  Hecktown is also a village, where Chickentown is not.

To confuse this further, there are Census Designated Places in PA, which
are very well known. Hershey (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/25930002) is a very good example
of this, which is oddly labeled as a town, which isn't a form of
government recognized in Pennsylvania (There is one exception, Bloomsburg,
which is essentially a Borough, but uses the name 'town').  It should be
noted that this isn't an import, although there is a boundary (Admin level
8) which is imported from TIGER.

Nobody really gets this stuff right.  But I think the census data is a
little bit better than the GNIS data, where a lot of these hamlets came
from initially. In fact, the GNIS does list when a record is connected to a
Census record on their website, it just isn't published in their
downloadable files.

See on the GNIS website:
Hershey, PA:
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:2307265203645995::NO::P3_FID:1176895
Chickentown, PA:
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:1767520712437467::NO::P3_FID:1210868
Hecktown:
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:1179118570263105::NO::P3_FID:1176752

So, while I like the GNIS dataset, and I actually am working on a
crowdsourcing project to improve the GNIS dataset (
http://navigator.er.usgs.gov), I think the Census data is much more useful
for our purposes.

--
Jim McAndrew

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 On 6/21/13 11:07 AM, Sean Bartell wrote:


  I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that
 the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things
 messing up the geocoder. A neighborhood is understood to be a place
 that's not often in an address, but a hamlet is a village, and so a
 hamlet in the middle of an urban place doesn't make sense.

 So a hamlet within municipal boundaries is almost certainly wrong. Could
 we try to detect which imported hamlets are within cities, and delete
 them or change them to place=neighbourhood?

  i think we need to pull things like CDPs and hamlets out of the
 admin_boundary framework and confine it strictly to real government
 administration (and i think things like fire districts should be excluded
 from the admin_boundary framework as well).  i have heard the argument
 that all of these things can be considered administrative, but this
 become so broad and general that you end up with a useless mess.

 i also think the US is a little peculiar in that our official addressing
 derives solely from postal routes, which can differ significantly from
 the admin boundary framework. this is one of the issues with virtually
 all of the data consumers that try to handle this; european assumptions
 are the norm and the US isn't europe. i see this in the address handling
 for things like OsmAnd and mkgmap as well. i suspect we need some
 algorithmic changes in these entities to reflect US reality; fiddling the
 data is only a bandaid.

 richard



 __**_
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Virtual Mapping Party Hangout

[Jim McAndrew]

The OSM US Virtual Mapping party is going on now:

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/065ef2b3439320b01dca2d62de6a0e81a1fb7fdd?gpsrc=selm0utm_medium=embdenfplmutm_campaign=lrnmreutm_source=lmnavbrrtsl=1
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Dual Carriageway?

[Jim McAndrew]

It looks like there were a few points where there were garden dividers,
but that changed after a repaving.

From looking around on OSM, it doesn't seem like people are marking roads
with a garden in the middle of the road as a dual carriageway, maybe they
should be?

Bing Maps:
http://binged.it/RlDDUD

Google Streetview:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Albany,+NYhl=enll=42.643872,-73.778837spn=0.006235,0.007263sll=38.997934,-105.550567sspn=6.743459,7.437744oq=albt=hhnear=Albany,+New+Yorkz=17layer=ccbll=42.643811,-73.778784panoid=uk2V_olPu0SkG1ZsvlA-oAcbp=12,298.26,,0,11.3



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 On 11/29/12 1:48 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 Yes, in that the carriageways are effectively separated. But in a very
 tortured sort of way.

  from looking at bing imagery, it looks like they tore out a badly
 deteriorated
 section between the two carriageways.

 richard



 __**_
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Jim McAndrew]

The city/county of Denver, CO does have a parcels database (in a bunch of
formats)
(http://data.denvergov.org/dataset/city-and-county-of-denver-parcels)

But it is licensed under a CC BY 3.0 License
(http://data.denvergov.org/dataset/city-and-county-of-denver-parcels)

Is this something that should even be added to the spreadsheet?  It looks
like all their data is from Sanborn, so the older data should be out of
copyright by now, if it can be found elsewhere.



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.comwrote:

 That was exactly my reaction as well. My understanding is that these data
 are essentially in the public domain. I'll note it in the spreadsheet.


 -- SEJ
 -- twitter: @geomantic
 -- skype: sejohnson8

 Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
 -- Einstein



 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote:

 On 11/29/2012 1:11 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

 On 11/29/12 1:03 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 The
 data are copyrighted and Arlington County owns all rights to the data
 and
 allows use ...as an acknowledged source to produce maps or analysis but
 you may not redistribute, resell, or copy the data (except for back-up
 purposes).

  the redistribute clause is a real problem, as we don't attempt to
 control
 people taking copies of OSM as long as they honor the ODbL. i'd say this
 license is ODbL incompatible (not a lawyer, though.)

 richard


 Local governments may claim copyright, but whether they can legally is
 another matter. A very quick review of Virginia state law appears to show
 they have liberal open records laws.
 http://www.opengovva.org/**virginias-foia-the-lawhttp://www.opengovva.org/virginias-foia-the-law

 We should probably track these public records problems, e.g. counties and
 cities that claim copyright, etc but the state law says otherwise.

 Brian



 __**_
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Jim McAndrew]

Brian,

That's probably true.  There is no reference to Sanborn in the metadata,
but there is an attribute PARCEL_SOURCE which seems to be set to Sanborn
in most cases.

--
Jim


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote:

  If Sanborn was just a contractor hired by the govmt agency to help with
 digitizing, data conversion, etc. there should be no copyright issues with
 them. I didn't see a reference to Sanborn in the parcel metadata.

 Brian


  On 11/29/2012 2:36 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:

 The city/county of Denver, CO does have a parcels database (in a bunch of
 formats)
 (http://data.denvergov.org/dataset/city-and-county-of-denver-parcels)

  But it is licensed under a CC BY 3.0 License
 (http://data.denvergov.org/dataset/city-and-county-of-denver-parcels)

  Is this something that should even be added to the spreadsheet?  It
 looks like all their data is from Sanborn, so the older data should be out
 of copyright by now, if it can be found elsewhere.



 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.comwrote:

 That was exactly my reaction as well. My understanding is that these data
 are essentially in the public domain. I'll note it in the spreadsheet.


 -- SEJ
 -- twitter: @geomantic
 -- skype: sejohnson8

 Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
 -- Einstein



   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote:

 On 11/29/2012 1:11 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

 On 11/29/12 1:03 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

 The
 data are copyrighted and Arlington County owns all rights to the data
 and
 allows use ...as an acknowledged source to produce maps or analysis
 but
 you may not redistribute, resell, or copy the data (except for back-up
 purposes).

  the redistribute clause is a real problem, as we don't attempt to
 control
 people taking copies of OSM as long as they honor the ODbL. i'd say this
 license is ODbL incompatible (not a lawyer, though.)

 richard


  Local governments may claim copyright, but whether they can legally is
 another matter. A very quick review of Virginia state law appears to show
 they have liberal open records laws.
 http://www.opengovva.org/virginias-foia-the-law

 We should probably track these public records problems, e.g. counties
 and cities that claim copyright, etc but the state law says otherwise.

 Brian



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us




 ___
 Talk-us mailing 
 listTalk-us@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

[Jim McAndrew]

There are a few exceptions, but the local post offices know how to handle
them.  They are also extremely minor and the people who live or do business
in these areas are probably used to the confusion.

If you're curious though:

Part of Kentucky has a Tennessee zip code and addresses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend

There's also a town in Illinois with a Missouri zip code, although the
current ZCTA map shows it as being in an Illinois zip code:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskaskia,_Illinois


Fishers Island, NY has a Connecticut zip code, but its own post office, so
this is really only a special case from a routing point of view:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishers_Island,_New_York#Culture

--
Jim McAndrew

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
 wrote:
  Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
  It looks pretty good from what I saw, with the obvious exception
  that newer homes aren't tagged.  I'm going to clean up my code
  a bit and stick it up on github somewhere.
 
  If you chaps are all dead set on doing another massive TIGER import -
 hey,
  it's your funeral - could I at least urge a little caution on the
  practicalities of it all?
 
  Just having a look at the .osm file posted here, for example, the street
  names are all unexpanded: Washington St, Park Ave, Deer Run Ln, etc.
 There
  have been about 937 threads about expanding TIGER street names since the
  initial import and it would be a shame to fall into the same hole again.

 None of the Iowa data that I am processing originates with the US
 Census or TIGER.  The underlying sources of the data are described ad
 nauseum here:

 ftp://ftp.igsb.uiowa.edu/gis_library/counties/Story/Address_85.html

 Basically the data comes from county auditor parcel data, processed
 through the US Postal Service addressing database, and compared
 against aerial photography to move the point to the intersection of
 the driveway with the road.

 As for name expansion, I'll take a look into that.  The data source
 that I'm using doesn't separate prefixes and suffixes out like TIGER
 does though...

  I'm also very very doubtful about the value of importing city, state and
 (!)
  country: if we don't have polygons for all of those already, then we
 really
  should. Importing n billion nodes into the States which all say hey,
 this
  is in the States will bloat the database and hammer download speeds for
  absolutely no gain whatsoever.

 As Richard Welty said, the addr:city tag is pretty much required, as
 US addresses aren't defined by the boundaries of the city you live in
 (or don't live in for rural addresses), but the post office that
 delivers your mail.

 I can see not including the country or the state, do the various
 routing/geocoding engines take advantage of state/country polygons?
 Are there any exceptions out there where the address is physically in
 one state, but their postal address is from a neighboring state
 because that's where the post office is?

 --
 Jeff Ollie

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

[Jim McAndrew]

Paul,

Martijn had suggested contacting the local library and seeing if you can
reserve a study room or something like that.

If you can't pull something together this weekend (it's not really a good
weekend for get togethers in the US), I would love to attend a mapping
party in OK in the future. So planning a mapping party in the future could
also be a good idea.

--
Jim


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 I don't think the Tulsa one is going to happen, lack of venue.


 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de wrote:

 Hi Folks,

 the organisation of Operation Cowboy seems to be nearly finished.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Operation_Cowboyhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_Cowboy

 I guess we have enough target areas and thanks to Martjins Map Roulett
 enough ideas on how to find new tasks :) Thanks fly out to everybody who
 starts a mapping cake!

 Thanks to Charlotte (Techlady) we had some *press releases* and it seemed
 to worked:
 http://www.spatialsource.com.**au/2012/11/20/article/**
 OpenStreetMap-second-annual-**map-a-thon-on-this-weekend/**
 RNXTDSVBSV.htmlhttp://www.spatialsource.com.au/2012/11/20/article/OpenStreetMap-second-annual-map-a-thon-on-this-weekend/RNXTDSVBSV.html
 http://www.h-online.com/open/**news/item/OpenStreetMap-**
 launches-Operation-Cowboy-**1751382.htmlhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/OpenStreetMap-launches-Operation-Cowboy-1751382.html

 But if you like, you can try to still push the event, as it might be a
 good idea to bring attention of US IT media to the quality assurance topic
 and that we still looking for more mappers becausethere is still a lot of
 work to do in America. Sadly slashdot and raddit didn't work for me here :/

 Another good thing would be *social media* so spreading to word to
 attract our global community (and others of course):
 - https://twitter.com/opcowboy and #OPC2012
 - Starting a facebook or google+ account anyone?
 - Maintaining the IRC channel? Setup a bot?

 Might be interesting, that this party, we __might__ get a nice animation
 by Derick Rethans. But hey, let's first do the job and enjoy the results
 afterwards ;)

 bye,
 Matthias

 __**_
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Utah voronoi mapcraft

[Jim McAndrew]

Brian,

Quantum GIS does Voronoi polygons pretty well. (under Vector - Geometry
Tools - Voronoi Polygons)  I would suggest trying that first.

Otherwise, there is always ArcMap, but I think it's a spatial analyst tool,
so if you don't have those tools already, it's not worth investing in for
something you can do freely in qgis.

--
Jim


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm not Martijn, but I'm going to guess he may have pulled GIS data of a
 few selected cities in Utah and used a GIS application to create the
 Thiessen polygons. I did just that for the Operation Cowboy - Texas map
 (with a few liberties taken).


 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Brian DeRocher br...@derocher.orgwrote:

 Martijn,

 How did you create the voronoi partitions for this mapcraft map?

 http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/**pie/168http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/168

 Brian

 --
 Brian DeRocher
 http://brian.derocher.org
 http://mappingdc.org
 http://about.me/brian.derocher


 __**_
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ushttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us




 --
 Clay

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Geography Awareness Week

[Jim McAndrew]

Brian,
  Back in the day of the ambassadors, there was a pretty good presentation
going around about the basics of OpenStreetMap.  I know Kate Chapman and
Tim Water have created a few presentations and put them up on slideshare:
http://www.slideshare.net/wonderchook/introduction-to-openstreetmap-7974442
http://www.slideshare.net/chippy/volunteered-geographic-information-and-openstreetmap

There's also a decent intro from Steven Johnson floating around the
internet somewhere:
http://149.168.87.13/NCGISConference2011/presentations/Johnson_Steven_Fri_130.pdf

We have been using the google hangout format for our meetings and
semi-scrums, and it seems to be working well for us.

Good luck!
---
Jim McAndrew


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 I think this is an awesome idea. Are you just going to use Google Hangout
 and stream to youtube? If you need help on getting set up with this, let me
 know. It's easy. What's great with it hangout is that you get the youtube
 video for free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU51Tfne9pEfeature=plcp -
 I am not sure whether the res is good enough for screencasts.

 On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Brian DeRocher br...@derocher.org wrote:

  Geography Awareness Week is November 11-17, 2012
 
 
 http://education.nationalgeographic.com/education/collections/geographyawarenessweek
 
  My goal is to create a 20 minute OSM introduction / presentation to
 fellows geeks at my company about OpenStreetmap.  I'd like to make this
 presentation in a way that it's re-usable to other people in other
 companies.  Would anyone like to help?  Has this been done before?
 
  Brian
 
  --
  Brian DeRocher
  http://brian.derocher.org
  http://mappingdc.org
  http://about.me/brian.derocher
 
 
  ___
  Talk-us mailing list
  Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
  http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

 Alex Barth
 http://twitter.com/lxbarth
 tel (+1) 202 250 3633





 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] REST Services

[Jim McAndrew]

Awesome work on this Ian!
Randy, looks like you're going to have to find something else to complain
about.

Bats?

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Randal Hale 
rjh...@northrivergeographic.com wrote:

  Wiki page updated...
 Imagery displayed in JOSM
 ...and I can no longer complain If I only had the newest imagery.

 Randal Hale, GISP
 North River Geographic Systems, Inc.
 ESRI Business Partner and Certified 
 Trainerhttp://www.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 
 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com


 On 10/23/2011 3:58 PM, Ian Dees wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Randal Hale
  rjh...@northrivergeographic.com wrote:
 
  I know there's probably a better list to send this to...
 
  The county (Hamilton County, TN) I reside in is pumping out their 2010
  Imagery over a REST Service or whatever I'm supposed to call it. I
 can
  completely use this in Arcmap. Can I use this in Merkaartor or JOSM? So
 far
  I have found a few other messages from people with the same problem
 digging
  around on the intertubes - but no answer. It may be right in front of
 me and
  I'm just
 
  You're probably talking about ArcGIS's REST interface. It's basically a
  simplified or RESTful WMS service.
  There is no way to access the ArcGIS REST interface directly from JOSM
 at
  this point. There might be a way to hack it with the undocumented
 Imagery
  keywords, but what I've been doing is adding it to the
 tile.osm.osuosl.org
  tile server [0] as a tile proxy source and using it from there.
  If you give me the REST API's URL I can add that relatively quickly and
 spit
  back a tile URL you can add to JOSM or Potlatch.

 Sounds like the same interface that Virginia uses for their VBMP
 orthoimagery. Just so others know, if the projection offered by the
 ArcGIS server isn't OSM-style (EPSG:3857, EPSG:900913, etc), and the
 Export Map functionality isn't backed by raw imagery (i.e. it's just
 tiled at the given projection, such as one of the state plane
 systems), then it's likely Ian's method won't work. Unfortunately this
 is the case with Virginia's server.


  The tiles are working for the imagery in question here. I don't think we
 ever figured out what was going on with the Virginia imagery that the export
 functionality wasn't working.





 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

[Jim McAndrew]

I agree about the idea of the handoff agenda, but with or without, I will
also be in the meeting tomorrow.  We should at least go in with some goals
on what we plan to accomplish this year, and discuss if those goals are
practical and how we can work together to help each other with our goals,
and how our goals fit with the goals of the greater OSM US.

I'm going to try to be on the IRC channel more often as well.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote:
  Hey, cool!
 
  Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim, and
 Richard.
 
  According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow,
 but the most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow
 and see what happens. =)

 Perhaps the outgoing board can help you to put together an agenda,
 here on the list?  I'm sure they'll have some thoughts on a smooth
 transition as well.

 Also #osm-us is a low traffic irc channel that might work for you.
 #osm-us is on irc.oftc.net, and available from the browser at
 http://irc.openstreetmap.org/

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

[Jim McAndrew]

The Drop-U? call in that we used to use still appears to work.  We have used
it recently for GeoBus calls:

Call-In:
 218-486-3891
 x663610833

You can't call in from google voice though.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

  the number works, i'm enjoying hold music. no need for an emergency
 search for another free conference call service.


 On 10/12/11 6:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

 i'll be there, although i think i'll call the number at 6:30pm ET tonight
 to
 verify that it works. anyone should feel free to join me at that time.

 cheers,
richard

 On 10/12/11 5:50 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:

 Hah, hooray for all newly and re-elected members, including myself. I'm
 eager to get started as well.

 Thanks to Ian, Richard, and Jonathan for overseeing and managing the
 elections!

 A meeting tomorrow sounds like a great way to kick start. It would be great

 if a few outgoing board members could join to ensure a smooth transition.

 Agenda, let's see: a round of introductions (I for one don't know most of
 you), goals and ambitions, see which of those we share and how we can work
 together to achieve them. Practical stuff like finances/bookkeeping. Who's
 going to be president, secretary, treasurer (do we need to have these
 roles?). Set best time and frequency for future meetings.

 I like collaborative editors to jot down minutes on the fly, we could use
 PiratePad which does not require an account unlike Google Docs. Example --

 http://piratepad.net/d4mimIgxOx

 As for IRC, I will try to be on there more but it doesn't come naturally to

 me.

 Looking forward to this!

 Martijn

 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Michal 
 Migurskim...@stamen.comm...@stamen.com
 wrote:

 Hey, cool!

 Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim, and
 Richard.

 According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow, but

 the most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow and
 see what happens. =)

 -mike.

 On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

 Dear All,

 The results of the US local chapter board election have been received
 and found to be valid.  Fourteen valid ballots were received from 50%
 of the eligible members.

 I would like to thank the outgoing members of the board for their
 service to the community.  I would also like to thank all of the
 candidates for offering to serve for the next year.

 Richard Welty, was re-elected.  Martijn, Randy, Jim and Mike were each
 elected.

 You can find the detailed results on the wiki,


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections

 Best regards,
 Richard Weait, independent scrutineer, on behalf of,
 Jonathan Bennett, independent scrutineer,
 Ian Dees, member of outgoing board.

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

  
 michal migurski- m...@stamen.com
  415.558.1610




 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us





 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us





 ___
 Talk-us mailing 
 listTalk-us@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping party best practices

[Jim McAndrew]

Hi,

We're been trying to come up with ways to help people run mapping parties,
and have come up with a very basic outline.
You may find the best resource to be here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Weekend_Howto

As far as focusing on people, we've have good response from GIS groups, and
universities.
If you can find a local Geography department, you can send them a flyer
about the party.
Community colleges tend to be a good source too, and a lot of places have
GIS classes.

The real hard part is to get the word out, and to the right people, but
there are a few places you can start.

--
Jim McAndrew

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi,

 As I am preparing my first mapping party here in Salt Lake, I am
 wondering what works and what doesn't. I'm used to organizing events
 in The Netherlands, but geographical and cultural differences may
 require a different approach in the US so I'd like to poke your
 brains: are there formats that work particularly well or not at all?
 Particular types of venues to gather, interest groups to target, types
 of mapping to do... Any input welcome.


 I had a decent response when I sought out GIS user groups and university
 folks. They seemed to be most interested in what OSM is and how to change
 it. They were also the quickest to disappear once they heard what OSM is
 (back then it was you can't use ESRI? oh...), but a few stuck and helped
 find other groups to work with.

 As far as location, I looked for places with fast wifi and decent places to
 sit down. Zoos, libraries, outdoor mall/commercial districts, etc. are all
 good places to start.

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and

[Jim McAndrew]

There has been some informal talk about when the elections are coming up.
I think with SOTM this year, things have been more focused on that than the
elections.

I'm not a member of the board, although I am running this time around, but
this is my understanding of the questions:


   - Where are the financial reports?
  - The secretary most likely has these, if they are published, I'm not
  sure how current they are
  - What assets does the Chapter have? e.g  cash, investments, servers
   and other hardware
   - The cash number would probably be in the financial report, there are
  servers and some schwag
  - Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?)
  - I believe that Ian is doing at least 90% of this
  - Will administration of the servers change after the election?
  - I think Ian is pretty set on doing this, but if he isn't on the new
  board, we may want to have him bring someone else up to speed
  - What are Chapter servers being utilized for now?
  - This is a very good question, I think it's mostly imports and bots,
  but I really don't know
  - What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the
   servers?
  - These are pretty minimal right now, this should also be answered in
  the financial report
  - What projects are going on now or will be started after the
   election,
  - There are a number of subgroups that are all linked from the OSM US
  Chapter page on the wiki
 -
 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States
 - and what are the financial commitments?
  - I'm not sure on this, it would be on the financial reports as well
  - How many members are there?
  - I believe it to be 25ish
  - Has the Technical, Education  Student Outreach or US Tagging
   working groups ever met?
  - The groups as a whole haven't, but each board member is responsible
  for one or more groups, and the board members voice the group concerns


I hope my view of these situations at least gets some people talking on this
subject. I don't know if my answers are 100% right, but it should be enough
to get the ball rolling on these issues.

--
Jim McAndrew
@JimmyRocks

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
  I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the
  OSM US chapter,

 The 2010 election was held in August, by email.  So it's probably a
 bit late this year.

 Minutes from meetings since March, if any, are missing from
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_Minutes

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] What should a US map of OSM data look like

[Jim McAndrew]

If we're going to be picking apart the style.. I have a few things to add:

* Trails (hiking/biking) are often darker than roadways
* Limited Access highways (blue) should be darker, wider, etc.. made to
stand out more
* I really like the tolls idea, the data is there.. if you look at the PA/NJ
bridges in open.mapquest.com versus normal mapquest.com, you'll see that the
toll bridges actually show up as such in open, but not the main version.
* Powerlines are cool to map, but they clutter the map a lot of the time
too, they should be lighter in color
* Municipalities boundaries are really interesting too, but usually they're
just clutter

--
Jim McAndrew


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) 
calvin.metc...@state.ma.us wrote:

 Shields def, also using the interstate, (urbal/rural) arterial,
 collectorand local nomenclature instead of trunk, primary, secondary.   Fix
 the labling issues related to mulitiple cities near each other (ie Cambridge
 and all of the cities bordering Boston).
 Sent with Verizon Mobile Email


 ---Original Message---
 From: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
 Sent: 9/12/2011 6:43 pm
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] What should a US map of OSM data look like

 On 9/12/2011 5:57 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
  A few of us were just asking on irc what a US-style tile theme would
  look like?

 Many printed US maps emphasize divided highways (often including
 undivided multilane highways). Perhaps a thicker line style at low zooms
 where lanes=4 or oneway=yes -lanes=1.

 A separate color for toll=yes (like MapQuest does, but also for toll
 non-motorways).

 Fix bloody Georgia and the way the trunks (and other highways) blend
 into the trees.

 Render shields at lower resolutions, since the US is not as dense as the
 UK.

 De-emphasize railways at lower zooms.

 Label motorways with both name and number where both are tagged (this
 would be useful even in Europe).

   Ian Dees liked the idea of fewer different colors for roads, blue /
   motorway, green / trunk, red / primary ...

 I'm not sure what the point of this would be - there's definitely enough
 variation in importance for all these classifications to be useful.

   For extra credit, can it also look good in Canada and Mexico?

 Canada and the US have rather similar road systems, so what works in one
 should be good for the other. I believe Mexico has a fair number of
 rural non-motorway toll roads.

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Road Trip to SotM

[Jim McAndrew]

Kate, Richard,

Although Denver isn't much of a roadtrip for me anymore, I'd still love to
do at least some of this trip, either as part of the GeoBus project or
something separate.  I like the idea of multiple carpools coming from
different parts of the country as well.  Maybe find out some people who are
interested and design a few bus stops along the route.

--
Jim

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I know there was some talk about the GeoBus for State of the Map.
 
  Well, on a much smaller scale myself and Iván Sánchez are going to
  drive from Washington D.C. to Denver.  This is a one way trip and I
  plan to sell my car at the end.
 
  Anyway if anyone is interested in meeting up along the way here is now
  currently tentative schedule including dates.
 
  DC   Sept 1
  KnoxvilleSept 2
  Memphis  Sept 3
  Dallas   Sept 4
  Dallas   Sept 5
  Amarillo Sept 6
  Pueblo COSept 7
  Denver   Sept 8

 Sounds like fun.  If you can get Albuquerque / Santa Fe into the mix,
 the landscape  is wonderful.  Of course, I've not been to Amarillo and
 that might be equally great. ;-)

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Who is mapping on the ground in US?

[Jim McAndrew]

I've been to a successful mapping party in NYC, which was run by CloudMade.
The meetup.com group still exists, and someone is funding it.  I don't know
anyone specific who is still working with it though.

I believe Lancaster, PA is still trying to have monthly meetups as well.

--
Jim McAndrew

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 On 6/2/11 1:19 PM, Steve Coast wrote:



 Well.. it's chicken and egg. There wasn't anyone interested in the UK when
 I ran the first mapping parties there either.

 If you set up a group on meetup.com you'd be surprised how many people
 join and start to get interested once you have a group meeting monthly.

 We should really be aiming for one meetup per state. I think we have MA,
 WA, CA, CO now all have monthly meetups. How does NY, TX and the captiol
 look?

  i'm trying to get a group going in the Capitol District of NY; i think
 that NYC needs its own group, but i don't know of anything going
 on down there.

 richard



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Ideas for OSMF US Swag

[Jim McAndrew]

I'm in the same boat as Ian with limited space in my apartment, but I'd love
to help out with the mailing.

--
Jim McAndrew

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd be happy to do some mailing. I don't have a whole lot of room to store
 boxes of pamphlets in my apartment, but I could do a few batches.


 On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Richard is right, there is an English language flyer.  I believe
 Frederik Ramm has it.

 If someone can volunteer to mail it that would be great.  I'm home
 less than 50% of the year so I don't think I'm the right person.

 -Kate

 On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thea Aldrich wrote:
 
  Our question to the
  community is: If you like this idea, what types of branded materials
 would
  you like?
 
  I think it is a great idea and is the sort of thing a local chapter can
 be
  useful for to support the community and help spread the word.
 
  One thing that would imho be useful is to create flyers [1] to hand out
 to
  people who haven't heard about OSM to explain what OSM is about and why
  people should care to contribute.
 
  From what I have gathered, the German flyer [2] has been quite a
 success
  with apparently 40.000 flyers printed and distributed to date. There is
 now
  also an English flyer which the UK chapter distributes for free [3],
 but it
  only extends its offer to UK.
 
  So perhaps OSMF-US could print and distribute a similar flyer in the
 US,
  although it might be good to adapt it to fit the needs of the US better
  first.
 
  There is at least one English language flyer around.  If I recall the
  biggest hold up is that nobody volunteered to do the actual mailings
  from a US address.  Is somebody willing to do that?  ideally, the
  volunteer would send out flyers each week in response to the requests.
 
  ___
  Talk-us mailing list
  Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
  http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
 

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us



 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] GeoBus call tonight

[Jim McAndrew]

There will be a GeoBus call tonight at 8pm Eastern Time.
Part of the agenda for this evening will be discussing the new Community
Events and Mapping Party work group:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Working_Groups/Community_Events

The idea is to merge these two projects together because they will both
mutually benefit from the other.

The other topics for this evening include:

   - Fayetteville, GA Mapping Party
   - Repository for Mapping Party documentation
   - Party Marketing
  - Failures / Successes
  - Objectives
  - Common tasks to make it easy for anyone to run a mapping party
   - How this new group will affect the GeoBus project
   - Magnets / Stickers / Marketing ideas

If you're interested in joining:

Tonight's Call is at 8:00pm Eastern Time
The Call In Number is:
 218-486-3891
 x663610833

--
Jim McAndrew
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

[Jim McAndrew]

Pennsylvania township administrative lines were added with the Tiger 2000
import, they do not have point data associated with them, and I have found
them to be mostly correct in location.  I don't believe there is any reason
to add these municipalities as places on the map as point data, for they do
not have a traditional center.

As far as Pennsylvania and New Jersey are concerned, a township isn't really
a point place.  These townships were set up to govern a portion of a
county.  Many townships offer minimal services.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Township_%28Pennsylvania%29)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Township_%28New_Jersey%29)

There are a few exceptions to this because some townships have grown
extremely large in the past 50 years, and these two states are not very
active in creating new boroughs, towns (NJ), or cities. An example of this
would be Upper Darby township in Delaware County, PA.  Even in that case,
people in Upper Darby are more likely to claim they are from a CDP inside of
the township such as Drexel Hill.  People generally go by whatever their
post office is.  Locals will generally have an idea of some of the township
boundaries but will rarely use them for reference.

Townships are not suburbs.  Townships were created before most cities and
boroughs in Pennsylvania.  An excellent example of this process is the
creation of Philadelphia as it is today.

Philadelphia started as a small cities along the Delaware River, as it grew,
it started adding surrounding areas.  The farm land around the city, but
still in Philadelphia county became townships, as population grew in certain
spots in these townships, new villages would form, these villages would then
become boroughs.  Philadelphia also had another form of municipality called
Districts at the time, which is no longer relevant.  In 1854 Philadelphia
City decided to join with the county, and incorporate every township,
borough, and district within the county borders.  Townships in adjacent
counties had become the locations for the newer suburbs, as well as older
boroughs in the area that were created distinctly from Philadelphia.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Consolidation,_1854)

What is now Lancaster city was originally not an incorporated place, but
instead a village within a township.  Lancaster became a borough from the
surrounding Lancaster Township within Lancaster County in 1749, 20 years
after the creation of Lancaster County from Chester County. In 1818
Lancaster borough was transformed into Lancaster City, and in 1924 it became
a modern class-3 city.  While the growth of Lancaster as a place contributed
to the popularity of surrounding areas, and the surrounding boroughs (such
as Lititz, Ephrata, East Petersburg) now act as almost suburbs to the city
of Lancaster, they are not truly suburbs, and people from these boroughs
would probably be offended by being labeled as such.
(http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/lancastercity/cwp/browse.asp?a=3bc=0c=42722
)

Suburbs can form in townships and boroughs, but they are not suburbs
themselves.

New Jersey has an interesting history with the creation of boroughs that
makes them seem a little bit more suburban:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boroughitis

There are townships in other states that are managed differently, but in PA
and NJ, they are just county subdivisions, and are not points to put on a
map.

--
Jim McAndrew
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] GeoBus call Sept 30, 2010

[Jim McAndrew]

*GeoBus Meeting*:
There will be a meeting tomorrow (September 30, 2010) about the GeoBus
project at 8:00pm Eastern Time.  This meeting will focus on some of the
GeoBus initiatives.  I don’t want to get caught up talking about funding,
what to do with the funding, and the possibility of buy a bus.  The focus of
this meeting will be to come up with what will define the GeoBus.

*GeoBus Call-In*:
September 30, 2010 8:00pm Eastern Time
 218-486-3891 x663610833

*My ideas for the GeoBus*:
The idea of the GeoBus is a group of people who get people together and
map.  It will help build communities and promote mapping to special
interests groups.  It will be clearly defined and simple enough that other
people can easily pick it up.  It will focus on rural areas, parkland, and
special interests (such as hiking, biking, fishing, and skiing).  There may
be a physical geobus in the future, and this will help get the media
attention the geobus wants.  There is no need to have a bus in order for
GeoBus to be successful, instead, the physical bus should be a sign of the
the GeoBus’ success.  While the GeoBus can be a single bus going across the
country, the GeoBus can be a lot chain of events to promote mapping to the
masses.

*Triangle Mapping Party*:
The Triangle mapping party is this weekend.  We are going to use this
party as a study of what the GeoBus can do.  This mapping party will include
some special interest mapping (such as biking) and we will use the people
who are mapping in this as a case study for what the GeoBus needs to do to
promote mapping to these groups.

Please reply to this with your ideas for the discussion, and if you are
available Thursday night, please sit in the meeting and discuss where you
believe the GeoBus should be going.

--
Jim McAndrew
j...@loc8.us
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] GeoBus call tonight

[Jim McAndrew]

Hello,

We are planning another GeoBus call tonight.  It looks like we have a logo!
We only have a few things to discuss, so we can try to keep it short!  There
will be another call next week to prepare what we can for the Triangle
Mapping Party.

Tonight's Call is at 8:00pm Eastern Time
The Call In Number is:
 218-486-3891
 x663610833

--
Jim McAndrew
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] Geobus call tonight

[Jim McAndrew]

Hey,

There will be a brief GeoBus call tonight.  I want to go over the action
items quickly and discuss where we are going from there.

The call will take place at 8PM Eastern Time

The Call In Number is:
 218-486-3891
 x663610833

Thanks,
Jim McAndrew
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Reminder: Geobus call tomorrow

[Jim McAndrew]

Did anybody make the call last night?

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com wrote:

 On 9/2/2010 10:50 AM, Jim McAndrew wrote:

 Hey,

 I am out of the country today and will not be able to attend the call
 this week either.


 Sorry, I can't make it either. Being Friday night before Labor day weekend,
 I have a feeling the attendance may be thinner than usual... :)

 - Lars

 --
 Lars Ahlzen
 l...@ahlzen.com


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Reminder: Geobus call tomorrow

[Jim McAndrew]

Hey,

I am out of the country today and will not be able to attend the call this
week either.  I have been leading the calls with a lot of help from Serge.

The action items from last weeks' meeting were:

   1. ZipCar / Rentals
   2. Next OSM meeting -- keep discussing GeoBus keep it with OSM US
  1. Will OSM US handle the money
  2. Continue working on the website - Serge
   3. Create a logo - Lisa  Carl

Some major talking points were:


   1. We are anxious to get the GeoBus idea on the road, and while having an
   actual bus is a great idea, we want to focus on mapping and community
   building, and not bus maintenance. So we want to come up with some estimates
   on rental prices just so we can compare the ideas.
   2. Lisa has been doing good work on the logo, and is working with Carl to
   come up with something that is fun, yet professional.
   3. This project is not board-approved, and we are waiting for the new
   board to come on before the idea will be formally suggested to the board.
   *This may be a talking point for the week of Sept 2, 2010.*
   4. Serge will continue to work on the website.
   5. We want to focus on getting people to map and to continue mapping, and
   we used information from Nama Budhathoki's presentation to come up with some
   ideas on how we would find groups of people who will continue to map.

I am really sorry to have to miss this meeting, I will be able to attend
next week's meeting.  If you have any questions for me before the meeting,
please email me back and I will make sure to find a way to check my email
before the meeting tonight.

Tonight's Call-In information is:
Call in number: 218-486-3891 x663610833

--
Jim McAndrew

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,

 Just a quick reminder that there's a Geobus call tomorrow night at 8pm.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GeoBus

 Unfortunately a personal issue that has come up and I won't be
 available tomorrow, but the Geobus is a really cool project and I
 think we can really make this happen.

 - Serge

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBus Discussion

[Jim McAndrew]

I am planning on another phone meeting tonight at 8:00pm:

Thursday August 26, 2010
8:00PM EDT
Call in number: 218-486-3891 x663610833

I will try to get the minutes into this email as soon as the conversation is
over, so we can keep the discussion going here.

Katie had some good questions, so I'm going to try to answer them here:


When do you think this would happen?  Duration?  Would anyone really be
 available for the entire duration? or just portions?

I think the Bus will be a symbol of the project, and will be flexible
enough that it can do a month long trip, but also be used for smaller trips.



 Agree with the concerns over costs and burden of maintenance.  Do we really
 want to maintain something in the long-term?  What about renting a vehicle?
 Considering the costs of ownership, perhaps this might be a better option?

Having a Bus as a marking symbol is the way we want to go.  Eric Wolf has
some good information on VW buses.  A lot of it is kind of scary.  We did
discuss renting a van for a short time.  I'm not sure of how that would
work, but it's not a bad idea.


 Also, what about taking Amtrak across the country? (always been interested
 in doing this)  Amtrak offers unlimited passes for 15 days, 30 days, or 45
 days of travel.  They also have good group specials and perhaps we could
 lower the costs.

I had a roommate in college that did this one summer, he had some great
stories.


 I would also be happy doing car trips at a smaller scale, doing outreach at
 universities and engaging people, (e.g. ambassadors, trainers) and
 scheduling things during weekends.

 In reality, not sure how much vacation time I would have for this anyway,
 versus other ways of spending vacation time.

That is a major problem with it, and people would probably each only do a
short stint on the bus.

I'll keep these in mind for the discussion tonight, and I hope to talk to
some of you there! I'll be back with the meeting minutes before tomorrow.

--
Jim McAndrew


On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Eric Wolf ebw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just to jump in here... As a former owner of a '74 VW Bus, I can tell you
 that there are serious positives and negatives to going that route.

 First, the positives:

 1. If you can find someone not wanting to rape you, they can be purchased
 fairly cheap ~ $2500 for a decent camper. However, decent doesn't mean the
 same thing here as it would for any newer vehicle. That means:
a. Engine runs well enough to get it home.
b. Minimal rust through (straight frame, no undercarriage rust)
c. Interior isn't hideously gross (and I'm not just talking 70s plaid
 gross)

 2. They get pretty good gas mileage (~ 20mpg) and are fun to drive once you
 get used to it. They are amazingly easy to parallel park! Very short
 wheel-base.

 3. Style + Substance - better than a schoolbus

 4. There is a great network of people to help you WHEN you break down:
  http://www.type2.com/rescue/

 5. You will be a decent mechanic after owning one

 Second, the negatives:

 1. 90% of the buses for sale now are in the rape category. I'm talking
 $11,000 for a vehicle with 150K miles?!? If you want a classic 21-window,
 you'll spend at least $5K for a rolling body and no engine.

 2. Be sure to clean it thoroughly. If you have a friend in the police
 department, ask them if you can have a drug dog check it for you. There are
 about a billion places to hide (or lose) drugs in a VW bus. You don't want
 to get pulled over by an over-zealous redneck cop and then find out there's
 a kilo of cocaine in some hidden corner.

 3. You get good gas mileage because you won't be going fast. The semis will
 be blowing past you. It will be life in the slow lane.

 4. You will be a decent mechanic after owning one because you will do
 repairs on the side of the road. I always had the necessary tools with me in
 the bus to remove the engine on the side of the road. Fortunately, I only
 ever had to do this in my driveway.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ebwolf/269029370/

 -Eric



 -=--=---===---=--=-=--=---==---=--=-=-
 Eric B. Wolf   720-334-7734





 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:

 Blars,

 I do realize that the telephone format is inconvenient to a lot of people,
 especially considering time zones and availability.  It is a good suggestion
 to move it to an email list.

 As far as the amount of work involved, we know that getting an old school
 bus is expensive and won't be easy.  The mileage, insurance, and fuel cost
 are all concerns to us.  Thea Clay is currently in the process of pricing
 the total cost of ownership for different vehicles, and we think that a VW
 bus will probably be the best solution for this idea.

 If you would like, I can send you the meeting minutes from last week's
 meeting.

 --
 Jim McAndrew


 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Blars Blarson 
 openstreetmap-talk...@scd.debian.net wrote:

 In article

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBus Discussion

[Jim McAndrew]

Blars,

I do realize that the telephone format is inconvenient to a lot of people,
especially considering time zones and availability.  It is a good suggestion
to move it to an email list.

As far as the amount of work involved, we know that getting an old school
bus is expensive and won't be easy.  The mileage, insurance, and fuel cost
are all concerns to us.  Thea Clay is currently in the process of pricing
the total cost of ownership for different vehicles, and we think that a VW
bus will probably be the best solution for this idea.

If you would like, I can send you the meeting minutes from last week's
meeting.

--
Jim McAndrew

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Blars Blarson 
openstreetmap-talk...@scd.debian.net wrote:

 In article 
 aanlktinhg331nozjxjhkwceg2va+gnbcerhtzxm7p...@mail.gmail.comaanlktinhg331nozjxjhkwceg2va%2bgnbcerhtzxm7p...@mail.gmail.com
 j...@loc8.us writes:

 Tomorrow (Thursday) night at 8pm EST, we are going to have a meeting to
 discuss the GeoBus.

 You should realize by making it a phone discussion, you are excluding
 some people.  I'm much more likely to participate in an email or IRC
 discussion.



 I think you are underestimating the amount of work involved in such a
 conversion.  Used busses (school, local or long distance) tend to be
 very high mileage and need a lot of maintenance.  I think a used RV
 should also be considered, they tend to have maintenance issues from
 lack of use.  Also, the bus is more likely to need a commercial
 drivers licence.


 --
 Blars Blarson   blar...@scd.debian.net

 With Microsoft, failure is not an option.  It is a standard feature.

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

[Jim McAndrew]

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Alan Millar amillar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Furthermore, don't store redundant data in the OSM database.  There's
  absolutely no excuse for having 200 ways which all say name=Cain Rd,
  name_base=Cain, name_type=Rd.  It's absolutely terrible design.
 
  Patches welcome.  Please contribute a fix.

 I've been fixing it.  The fact that Cain Rd has a base of Cain and
 a type Rd is already in the database over and over and over again.
 I've been taking out the redundant copies of that information (which
 should have been in a separate lookup table from the beginning
 anyway).

  I was never a fan of splitting a way, duplicating its tags, for something
like a small bridge over a creek
It would be great if attributes could be assigned to a number of ways, at
least from a normalization standpoint.
From a UI standpoint, I don't really know how it would be done, but it could
be possible.
Modifying all the existing OSM data would be a challenge though.
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Jim McAndrew]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote:


 What are the goals for the openstreetmap.us web page?


 That's a good question that we should probably all discuss.

 My opinion is that it should be a one-stop-shop for growing the US OSM
 community. Not entirely sure what that entails, but I imagine it starts
 with:
 - a calendar
 - pages for specific communities both new and established (the DC and Bay
 Area folks come to mind)
 - resources for getting involved (for someone that maybe doesn't want to
 commit to a mapping party yet but still wants to be involved?)
 - ...I ran out of ideas

 Any others?

I like the ideas that Richard Weait has of integrating it with more social
networking tools.  I'm not entirely sure how that would be done without
being too obtrusive.

People coming to the openstreetmap.us website are going to be interested in:

   - Events
  - Mapping parties
  - Meetups
  - Talks
   - How people can help
  - Holding Mapping Parties
  - Doing Personal Mapping
  - Ideas
   - Funding OpenStreetMap.us
  - at least it should be easy for them to do so
   - Learning more about the organization
   - How to get a hold of people
   - Equipment needed to map
  - walking papers
  - GPSes

There's really a lot that can go into it.  The wiki format would make it
easy for the community to add these things as people wish to see them, but
isn't as attractive to people that aren't used to technical webpages.

-
Jim McAndrew
___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[Jim McAndrew]

Who is paying for these meetup.com groups?
I met with someone at Where 2.0 from meetup.com  mentioned that OSM uses the
site for some meetups, but it's hard because they charge $12/mo.  There may
be a way to get these groups sponsored by meetup.com, so that OSM mappers
aren't footing the bill for the groups.  There's also Yahoo!'s
upcoming.comwhich is just free in general.

--
Jim McAndrew

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Christopher Covington c...@vt.edu wrote:

 On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 13:59 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
  Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
  for local US OSM meetings?
 
  http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
  http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
  http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
 
  Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add
  OpenStreetMap as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area
  OSM waiting list will be able to find them.

 While it's generally handy to have listings on multiple websites, what's
 the special importance of having OpenStreetMap groups listed on this
 particular paid service?

 -Chris C.


 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap U.S. Inc

[Jim McAndrew]

Excellent news Kate! I know this has taken a lot of work from you and a few
others. It's great to see it all coming together!

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Hey All,

 Just wanted to let you know OpenStreetMap U.S. Inc exists now.  This
 is so we can eventually become a chapter of OpenStreetMap.  We'll be
 moving forward with getting an EIN (tax number) from the IRS, working
 out the Chapter agreement, etc shortly.


 Thanks for all your (and the temp board's) hard work on this, Kate!
 Woohoo!

 ___
 Talk-us mailing list
 Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


___
Talk-us mailing list
Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us