Re: Poor Dialog Positioning
One additional clarification... My monitor setup is basically like this | _ _ _ with the bottoms of all screens aligned because they are physically aligned on my desk. TheBat appears to be positioning the dialogs in the center of the overall desktop rectangle which, in my case, includes empty areas above the three 1024x768 screens. In addition to multi-monitor desktops, I can see laptop users with docking station setups that will have a similar problem unless all displays are the same height. -- Steven Vallière | tb 8.8.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Poor Dialog Positioning
I have a multiple monitor setup with the leftmost screen at 1080x1920 and the next three screens at 1024x768. The center of three 1024 screens is the primary display. I was working with a table in an HTML formatted message and all of the table property dialogs *ALWAYS* appear partially off screen across the the border between the 2nd and 3rd screens. This means that I cannot see all of the controls in the dialog and if I did not remember all of Windows' shortcut keys for moving a window, it would be impossible to move those controls into view. It is well past the time that all programs should be aware of multiple monitor desktops. TheBat! needs to center the initial appearance of popup dialogs on the currrently active screen (look into the MonitorFromWindow function and related functions.) It might be nice if these dialogs "remembered" their previous positions and subsequent openings of the same dialog would place it in the same location where it was closed previously. But that may be asking too much. As it is, most of these dialogs will not be usable by typical users who are unaware of all of the keyboard shortcuts. -- Steven Vallière | tb 8.8.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5.8
Vilmos, Tuesday, September 24, 2013, 1:15:44 PM, you wrote: VK> Show me ANY other software that works that way. HelpNDoc does something similar: free updates for one year or one full version increase (i.e. from whatever version you purchased to that version +1). -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Font Rendering Question
Vilius, Friday, March 1, 2013, 8:33:17 AM, you wrote: VŠ> It's probably using an older API which doesn't VŠ> support ClearType or *newer* version of ClearType. If I hadn't just spent the past two weeks troubleshooting a visual bug in my own code that was caused by ClearType, I'd believe that. However, the code I was working on was originally written in 1997, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't use any "newer" APIs, but when I turn ClearType on/off I see the font change to match the VS2010 rendering, either way. (My problem was with rendering one character cell at a time -- ClearType causes the font renderer to write OUTSIDE the character cell, even of fixed-width fonts.) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.8.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! MSI
Maxim, Monday, February 11, 2013, 11:25:19 AM, you wrote: MM> Could you please try the following MSI files: MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-3-8.msi Some filters are still not working. The TB! log shows that *ALL* of the mis-filtered messages somehow scored *EXACTLY* 100 by the junk filter, which is somewhat suspicious. Looking through my spam filter's detailed logs, I'm seeing that sources like ritlabs.com and things referenced in all of my misfiled CERT bulletins are listed at multi.uribl.com which is causing my spam filter to mark them bad. However, if I visit admin.uribl.com and look up ritlabs.com manually, they show it as being in their whitelist. I'm not sure why my anti-spam (regula) is suddenly thinking that ritlabs.com is blacklisted instead of whitelisted, but I'm going to disable checking that server to see if it fixes my filtering issues. If anyone else is having issues with mail unexpectedly landing in their junk folder, this may be the reason. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incoming message filtering stopped working??
gandalfmeister, Saturday, December 22, 2012, 10:44:35 AM, you wrote: g> None of the tbbeta messages are being filtered into g> my dedicated folder. If I manually refilter the inbox g> - they move - but not automatically. Anyone confirm? I can confirm that several (but not all) of my filters have stopped working as well. However, selecting those messages for manual refiltering doesn't work either. FWIW, sometimes (but not always), restarting TB! or rebooting the entire computer gets the filters working again. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter Problem?
Friday, February 8, 2013, 8:13:46 AM, I wrote: SPV> Today it was all of the new messages from this group (TBBETA) SPV> that landed in the Junk mail folder. Even the one I posted. SPV> Something is definitely wrong. TBBETA messages have been SPV> filtered correctly for *YEARS* with virtually zero false SPV> positives for junk. It is almost infinitely unlikely that SPV> ALL of the messages from yesterday would be considered junk. SPV> All of my other filters (including TBUSER) are still working SPV> correctly today. I'm thinking that my question actually SPV> belongs in the "Incoming message filtering stopped working??" SPV> thread, because I believe that's what I've been experiencing. I should note that this behavior is what I saw during the first few minutes after booting this morning. After I sent this message, I rebooted my computer again to see what happened and now the TBBETA message are being filtered correctly again. I didn't run anything differently either time. TheBat! is the first (and only) program automatically started when I log in. So it seems that TheBat! is now doing different things for me each time my machine is booted. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter Problem?
Roelof, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 10:49:30 AM, you wrote: RO> Hallo Steven, RO> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:59:19 -0500GMT (7-2-2013, 13:59 , where I RO> live), you wrote: SPV>> What happens first: Filtering or Junk Checking? RO> Junk checking happens first. Cannot be altered. Thanks, that's what I needed to know. Maybe my suggestion for allowing the user to choose where in the filtering sequence junk (and virus) checking occurs will be considered... RO> However, what you can do, is make your spam filter add a header (or RO> add something to the subject), but not drop it to the junk folder. RO> And configure the sorting office to move everything with that spam RO> header to your junk folder. RO> You should place that spam filter in your sorting in such a way that RO> addresses with lots of false positives get filtered before your spam RO> filter gets activated. RO> Unfortunately I don't know for sure whether this is possibe with your RO> Regula plug-in. I just checked the config and there's no option for header modification. BUT it does have its own filter rules where I could mark specific header values (just like TB!'s filters) as always being SPAM or HAM. BUT... Today it was all of the new messages from this group (TBBETA) that landed in the Junk mail folder. Even the one I posted. Something is definitely wrong. TBBETA messages have been filtered correctly for *YEARS* with virtually zero false positives for junk. It is almost infinitely unlikely that ALL of the messages from yesterday would be considered junk. All of my other filters (including TBUSER) are still working correctly today. I'm thinking that my question actually belongs in the "Incoming message filtering stopped working??" thread, because I believe that's what I've been experiencing. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Thomas, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:59:17 AM, you wrote: TF> What if I want to print in white, because the TF> paper I use is black? Interesting. You have a VERY rare printer... But you also have a point. TF> No, I don't think the software should be second-guessing what colour I TF> would like better than the one coded into the HTML email, I think it TF> should print the colour exactly as in the email. (But then, I also TF> believe that emails should not be in white colour.) I was just hoping for something approaching HTML printing consistency, so that we could rely on things to print the same whether printed from a browser or an email program. All of the browsers I tried (Firefox, Chrome, IE and Opera) printed the white text as black and did not print the background colors (using the default settings.) A few years ago I found the setting to tell one of the browsers (probably Firefox, but I'm not positive) to print background colors and then it DID attempt to print the text in white -- but since my color printer has no white ink, that didn't work any better than printing white on white. For most of us, the print job needs to be rendered as a full page bitmap and then printed so that the "white" places are simply not printed at all. Some printers can probably handle that themselves, but I doubt it is a generally available feature. TF> If a "smart" printing module is introduced, please make it optional, TF> so I can turn it off. I agree with that completely. I never like being forced to do something the programmer's favorite way when alternate options are available. Since the current code obviously already exists, what I'm hoping for could be a new option (possibly even an optional add-on/plug-in?) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter Problem?
I've been noticing that message from one particular sender are often sent to the junk folder instead of going where the filter that matches both the subject and the sender (though the filter is set to the OR of either one.) This doesn't ALWAYS happen, but it has been happening often enough that I need to ask a question: What happens first: Filtering or Junk Checking? I have the Regula anti-spam plug-in and, overall, have been very happy with it, so this is more of a curiosity than a problem. I think I can correct it by adding the automated account that sends me the daily report that is having trouble to my address book (and thereby whitelisting it for the anti-spam plug-in.) I'm still curious about the order of evaluation, though. It certainly /looks/ like the anti-spam is run BEFORE any of my filters. I wonder if it would be possible (and useful) to be able to have the anti-spam and anti-virus plug-ins listed in the filters so that we could move some of our own special exceptions before or after them? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Ivan, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 3:07:00 PM, you wrote: >> Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images >> when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike >> my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE >> text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed >> today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it >> assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print >> it (I assume.) >> It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate >> setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell >> TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an >> option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, >> which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink >> and/or toner. >> However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make >> a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text >> as BLACK when printing. IP> You can change the color of printout's background manually by creating IP> and customizing a viewer profile in preferences->profile layout and IP> selecting it in print setup. IP> But that's a workaround, of course. I'm not really interested in printing backgrounds because, IMHO, they're a waste of ink/toner (both of which are rather expensive.) Not to mention that IMAGE backgrounds almost ALWAYS reduce readability. But still, an /option/ to enable printing background colors and/or images might be useful to some people. I was more thinking of having the print function "smart" enough to recognize that a [text] color will be invisible and "fix" the color. In the code I've written, the print function pre-scans what is to be printed and replaces white with black for all text and graphic elements. If *I* can do it, I know that the wizards at RIT can do it, too!(That's an honest compliment, by the way, not a wisecrack.) (Sorry for the delay, I've been out of the office for a bit.) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Printing White Text
Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print it (I assume.) It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink and/or toner. However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text as BLACK when printing. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.3.6.0 on Win7
Thomas, Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 11:48:27 AM, you wrote: TF> Just upgraded my Windows and have two problems: TF> 1.) TheBat does not flap any more when there are unread messages. TF> 2.) I cannot see the To header, even though it is selected (see TF> attached screenshot). TF> Any confirmations? Sorry, no. In fact, the receipt of your message caused TheBat! icon to flap (in my tray) and is showing the To: header just as it should. However, my Win7 Pro x64 system was installed cleanly on an empty drive. Since you said "upgraded my windows" perhaps something in the Windows upgrade process has caused this issue to manifest. Ever since I first got Win7 (at home, when it first came out) I've read that upgrading to it was fraught with problems, mostly with existing applications not quite working as expected. I also greatly dislike Aero and run my system with the Windows Classic theme (it looks pretty much like a Windows 2000 desktop) so that may also be related. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.4.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.4.1
Rick, Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 4:18:42 PM, you wrote: MM>> The Bat! 5.3.4.1 (BETA) is available at MM>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5341.rar MM>> What's new in 5.3.4.1 since 5.3.4.0: R> The System templates are still showing "Windows 6.2 Build 9200" for Windows 8 "Windows 8" is the *NAME* of the product Windows 6.2 is the *VERSION* Or are you just saying that the build number is wrong? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.4.1 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.4.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FR: a macro for software edition
Vilmos, Friday, November 30, 2012, 2:29:56 PM, you wrote: VK> I think it would be a complete waste of time of the developers. VK> Who cares about if TB Home or TB Prof is used... It would VK> unnecessarily increase the code. If there's no difference between the code (or code paths) between the Home or Pro versions, then why are two versions being sold? If there *ARE* differences, then the developers most definitely care which of the editions is being used because that info is (or at least may be) *REQUIRED* in order to successfully duplicate a bug. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.2.8 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.2.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.3.2.2 AV
I'm not sure just what TheBat! was doing when it got the attached error because I was away from the computer at the time. I thought it was just checking mail, but since it has only happened once, perhaps there is some other periodic, automatic function that it was performing. I just installed 5.3.2.2 about one hour before I saw this error. After pressing the 'OK' button in the message box, TheBat! seems to still be running normally, so the error didn't really affect it as far as I can tell. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.2.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 5.3.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange Viewer Scrollbar Issue
Steven, Friday, August 17, 2012, 3:53:35 PM, you wrote: SPV> I'm amazed! the scrollbars appear to be working fine now SPV> in all of the messages where they were strange in .13 - .8 SPV> (and maybe earlier.) That was really fast! Thanks! As usual, I was wrong. After using this version for a week (which includes at least one reboot each morning when I turn my computer on for the day) I still have problems with the scrollbars on the text-only messages from the pflogsumm program. Oh well. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.14 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange Viewer Scrollbar Issue
I'm amazed! the scrollbars appear to be working fine now in all of the messages where they were strange in .13 - .8 (and maybe earlier.) That was really fast! Thanks! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.14 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange Viewer Scrollbar Issue
This has existed for several recent versions, at least since I jumped from 5.1.6.8 to .13 today and I don't know how far back it goes... When I start up TheBat! with it focused on a text-only email and then switch to an automated messages sent by pflogsumm (on my mail server) the scroll bar disappears, even though the message is hundreds of lines long. The scroll bar WAS visible for the previously viewed text-only message (oh, the pflogsumm report is also text-only) and will be reactivated when I switch to a different text-only message. But on any of the pflogsumm report emails I have, it disappears. UNTIL, I've viewed a text/html message. From that point on, the scroll bar works normally for the pflogsumm messages, too. The only header differences I see are that the pflogsumm messages have these header fields (in this order): Return-Path: X-Original-To: Delivered-To: Received: Subject: From: To: Received: Message-Id: Date: Text emails that work have these headers (again, in order): Return-Path: X-Original-To: Delivered-To: Received: To: Subject: Date: Message-Id: From: I haven't experimented much beyond this, but if I can provide any additional information, I'm willing to give it a shot. That is, if anyone care, of course -- I realize this is a very minor issue. But it is definitely strange. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.13 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Target Machine Actively Refused?
Last Saturday evening, TheBat! started logging these messages: !7/28/2012, 19:18:50: FETCH - Connect failed they continued until these messages started: !7/29/2012, 02:31:51: FETCH - Could not connect to the server. No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it and those continued until I restarted TheBat! this morning. Since I happen to be the admin for the mail server, I can say with reasonable certainty that the second message was untrue. I tried a number of things to see if my server was broken or if TheBat! was confused and concluded that somehow, TheBat! had gotten confused. 1. I monitored the server's logs and watched many other users checking and fetching mail, yet when TheBat! logged this message, no attempt to access the mail server from my account was logged. 2. I ran tcpdump on the mail server to monitor incoming connect attempts for POP3 (the protocol configured for the failing account.) None were being made from my machine or the internet gateway my machine traverses to get to the mail server /when I pressed 'Receive New Mail' and the message was logged/ -- but other machines inside our office WERE accessing the POP3 server through the gateway. 3. I rebooted the mail server and gateway, just to be sure. The issue did not go away. 4. I stopped and restarted TheBat! and since then, it has worked just fine. This is the first time I've ever seen anything like this. I wish I knew how to trigger it, but all I can do is report what I saw, what I tried and the results. I hope it is useful. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Images in HTML mail
Rick, Thursday, July 12, 2012, 2:10:54 PM, you wrote: >> That bug appears to be related to a problem with viewing >> images in email RECEIVED BY TheBat, while my problem has >> always been with messages SENT FROM TheBat. I don't >> think it applies to the problem I'm reporting. R> If you have truly embedded an image, I have found that it will show in other email clients R> If you are seeing an image displayed from a LINK, it will NOT R> appear when you forward it from the Bat. R> That is an issue that must be addressed when they redo the message editor I may not have been clear about this in previous messages, but the image is *NOT* a link. However, Thunderbird and the others show only an empty placeholder where the image belongs and they show that there is an attachment, too, which is the image that belongs where the placeholder is shown. I think that if you looked at the screen shots at the links I posted it would have been quite clear. Also, if it was not clear, this problem has existed in TheBat! as long as I have been using it. RIT's standard response has always been to say that they are right and everyone that doesn't display their messages correctly is wrong. While that may be technically correct, it would seem very sensible to ensure that TheBat!'s messages would display correctly in any email client that is more popular than TheBat! I checked a few sites that track such things and have deduced that TheBat! (while a very good product) has significantly less than 0.5% of the total market for email clients. http://visibleranking.com/most-popular-email-clients.php http://www.labnol.org/internet/email/most-popular-email-clients/9340/ http://www.smartinsights.com/email-marketing/email-marketing-analytics/most-popular-email-marketing-clients/attachment/email-client-popularity/ I believe that, if TheBat! were in the top few, then it is possible to force others to conform if you adopt the "We're right, everyone else is wrong" attitude, but TheBat! isn't at that point, so they should probably conform to the more commonly accepted standards rather than sticking to the letter of one particular standard (or is it actually only an RFC?) that they got working. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images in HTML mail
Thomas, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 12:04:47 PM, you wrote: TF> The bug report is here: TF> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=44 TF> Please add a note with your comments. Since Bug #44 is about TheBat!'s HTML image viewer and my problem is with OTHER PROGRAMS viewing inline images in HTML messages /generated/ by TheBat!, I submitted a new report https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=46 after recreating my account. I wanted to search, but Mantis really doesn't have any useful search feature and the database is small so far, so it is not likely that I'm creating a duplicate. (I know about Mantis, since I use Mantis to track our bugs, too, and I find myself forced to export the whole bug database so I can use another program to search through the exported data for the things I need to find!) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
***SPAM*** Re: Images in HTML mail
Thomas, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 12:04:47 PM, you wrote: SPV>> http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-sm.png SPV>> http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-rr.png SPV>> http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-tb.png TF> Or is this TheBat! rather than Thunderbird? The three places I saw problems were Thunderbird (tb), Squirrel Mail (sm), my RoadRunner ISP's web mail (rr) and RoundCube (no image captured.) In all of those, the image appears as an attachment and I /can/ eventually see it. In some, there is a placeholder for the image and sometimes the placeholder is the correct size, but the image is not shown. All of these programs show images fine when they come FROM each other or Outlook or gmail or whatever. So far, I've only had trouble with HTML messages sent from TheBat! TF> I believe you just missed the bug report as per TF> mid:421411532.20120710201...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de TF> The bug report is here: TF> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=44 TF> Please add a note with your comments. That bug appears to be related to a problem with viewing images in email RECEIVED BY TheBat, while my problem has always been with messages SENT FROM TheBat. I don't think it applies to the problem I'm reporting. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images in HTML mail
Steven, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 8:26:05 AM, you wrote: SPV> ...Since I'm not sure about attaching images SPV> to messages in the group, I've put screen caps of what I SPV> see when a simple message with one embedded image was viewed SPV> in Thunderbird (tb), RoadRunner (rr) and SquirrelMail (sm) SPV> on my web server: SPV> http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-rr.png SPV> http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-rr.png Oops. The Thunderbird screen cap has a typo, it should be http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-tb.png Sorry (though I'm sure it wasn't difficult to guess, since a few folks looked at it, too, after I posted the message. I'm also wondering what the total lack of replies to my previous message might mean... Has no one had a chance (or the interest) to check out my claim? Have people tried my process and got the same results? Different results? Or maybe the steps I've listed have shown that I am simply too dumb to bother helping? Hopefully, it is just no one has had time, but ... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images in HTML mail
Gleason, Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:46:52 AM, you wrote: GP> Embedded images appear correctly in email I send to correspondents. Well, I must be doing it wrong, then, because I've NEVER been able to send an HTML formatted message containing an embedded image to a Thunderbird user (including myself) and have the message remain intact. When I've reported this in the past, RIT's response has always been, essentially, "they are wrong and we won't change" and my feeling is that RIT might be able to get away with that attitude when TheBat! has more users than Thunderbird, but I'm not sure that will be true, for a while at least. Anyway, here's the way I attempt to embed images in HTML mail. Perhaps someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong? * My default mail format shows "Plain Text (MicroEd)" in TheBat!'s status bar. * I create a new message by using the drop-list on the "Create a new message" button. * I click the status bar to change the message format to "HTML only" * I enter some text, set fonts, styles, colors, etc. * I click the "insert image" button on the message edit toolbar and TheBat! puts my image right where I wanted. * I enter a bit more text to follow the image. * I leave the default signature block that TB inserted when I created the message. * I press the "Send message" button. The result looks as I want in gmail, hotmail and yahoo mail. It looks wrong in Thunderbird, RoadRunner's web mail app (they're my ISP) and in SquirrelMail (which some of my recipients use.) Since I'm not sure about attaching images to messages in the group, I've put screen caps of what I see when a simple message with one embedded image was viewed in Thunderbird (tb), RoadRunner (rr) and SquirrelMail (sm) on my web server: http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-rr.png http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-rr.png http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug-ei-sm.png (I apologize for the partial images, the whole thing just didn't fit on the screen.) I contend this is TheBat!'s problem, since all of these mail viewers show images fine from any other source that has ever sent mail to me. Unless, of course, I'm making a mistake in the process above -- but then it is STILL a problem with TheBat! because if what I'm doing is wrong, then why is it allowing me to convince it to create a message with odd formatting? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Images in HTML mail
Before I start, let me say that I've asked this several times before and I expect to get shot down again just like I did back then. But I still think this is a valid question: Why is it that few email clients will display images inline with an HTML message that TheBat! sends while they will do so for similar messages sent from Outlook, Thunderbird, GMail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, etc.? TheBat! also displays messages from all of those other sources correctly, so why is it that TheBat! cannot CONSTRUCT a message that other programs can view correctly? I'm sure that TheBat! is "doing it right" according to the programmer's interpretation of some arcane point of "law" in the mail RFCs and the other programs are "wrong" -- BUT at least all of the others seem to be interoperable, while TheBat!'s method for embedding inline images in HTML mail seems to be the odd man out, at least as far as interoperability goes. Until we can convince the world to give up Thunderbird and things like it, shouldn't TheBat! play nice and allow us to create nice looking HTML formatted email messages that can contain embedded images and still look right in Thunderbird and its brethren? Perhaps there is a magic setting that I've got wrong (FSM knows that there are more than I'll ever know about, let alone remember!) If so, could someone please tell me how to configure TheBat! so that an HTML formatted email that contains embedded images will look the same when received by Thunderbird as it does when I press SEND in TheBat! ?? Please? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Highlights Only button reversed?
MAU, Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 8:59:07 AM, you wrote: >> To me, the PRESSED state indicates that the button is in >> effect, however, the exact opposite is true: Pressing the >> "Highlights only" button changes the log to showing ALL >> events and unpressing "Highlights only" causes the log to >> show only 'important' (i.e. highlight) messages. M> Not here. When pressed ONLY highlights are shown. Interesting. I made a mistake in some code I'm writing and managed to get Windows to hang. Now that I've rebooted my machine, the button is working correctly for me, too. I guess that upgrading to 5.1.6.7 by stopping the older version I was running, extracting the RAR file and then restarting TheBat wasn't enough to get it all copacetic. I didn't really expect to NEED a reboot, but it seems to have fixed my problem. Sorry to bother. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Highlights Only button reversed?
I was just checking the account log (to find out when TheBat thought the mail server stopped working) and noticed that the button labeled "Highlights Only" seems to have the OPPOSITE effect that its visual state would seem to indicate. It is rendered as a sort of two state button that shows as pressed (indented) or pressable (flat or outdented when the mouse moves over it.) To me, the PRESSED state indicates that the button is in effect, however, the exact opposite is true: Pressing the "Highlights only" button changes the log to showing ALL events and unpressing "Highlights only" causes the log to show only 'important' (i.e. highlight) messages. Does this deserve a whole bug report or is it simple enough that this message is enough? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Report
Thomas, Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 9:38:41 AM, you wrote: TF> If you view HTML mail, hover over the link with the mouse and it will TF> show the actual URL. In pliantext mails, or by clicking on the Texy TF> tab in HTML mail, you see the actual URL in plain text. TF> It's all there. I have never had to retype a URL into the browser TF> since using TB!. I find myself using so many different email clients that I've tried to train myself to have good habits rather than trusting the email client to protect me. If I changed my habit and trusted TB (which I use more than any other,) then I could very likely get into trouble when I'm stuck helping on someone else's machine and/or when I'm forced to use webmail on a "foreign" computer (i.e. one that I don't control.) Frankly, I'd be happy with an option to have TB pop a message box that tells me I've chosen to disable links if I click on one. This is especially true for links that don't LOOK like links, which is fairly easy to do with HTML formatting and images (at least on a web page,) But this is a choice, not a problem report. I'm paranoid and I admit it. I've been burned by my bad habits in the past and I'm doing my darnedest to avoid it happening again. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Report
Gleason, Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 9:32:47 AM, you wrote: >> Personally, I would call that a bug in TB. As far as >> *ALL* other program I have that open links are concerned, >> the "system viewer" is the program currently configured >> as the default system browser. That means that I can >> get things to automatically open IE, FF, Chrome, Opera, >> or even Safari (if I'm temporarily insane) when I click >> a link. If TB always uses IE, then TB is wrong and broken. G> A bug would be if you set Firefox to be your default browser, and you G> get Opera when you click on a link. "Not implemented" is when a G> feature is not offered. 1. The fact that TB uses the system default browser when viewing a message as TEXT shows that TB knows how to correctly access the default system browser. 2. The fact that TB uses IE instead of the system default browser when viewing a message as HTML would appear to be a bug in relation to fact #1. 3. The fact that there is only one setting for which browser TB should use, coupled with facts #1 & 2, would indicate that TB is not using its own setting in one of the two different view modes and, most would call that a bug. 4. It is possible (perhaps even likely) that the dialog where the browser selection exists is using "Microsoft Internet Explorer" as a sort of generic name instead of saying "system default browser." This could make sense due to a combination of language translation issues combined with the idea that many people still have IE as their default system browser. Or not, this one is pure supposition on my part, but it seems reasonable (to me.) 5. I'm not sure where "not implemented" got into this, but if you're trying to imply that TB has "not implement" any access to the default system browser, I believe that you are incorrect. When I have Chrome as my default browser, the links I click in TB open Chrome. When Firefox is my default browser, those same links in TB open FireFox. I always use text mode, which is where the original poster reported the system default browser to work correctly. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Report
>> You mean, that 'System Viewer' is in TB hardcoded to IE only? RT> It clearly says so next to the setting in Preferences. Personally, I would call that a bug in TB. As far as *ALL* other program I have that open links are concerned, the "system viewer" is the program currently configured as the default system browser. That means that I can get things to automatically open IE, FF, Chrome, Opera, or even Safari (if I'm temporarily insane) when I click a link. If TB always uses IE, then TB is wrong and broken. There is ONE somewhat reasonable exception: Windows Update always uses IE, regardless of the default browser setting. But now that newer versions of Windows have a dedicated Windows Update tool, IE isn't /visibly/ used any longer (though I suspect that the IE core is still /invisibly/ being used by Windows Update. Also, the original reporter mentioned that TB opens a DIFFERENT browser when viewing a message in TEXT vs viewing the same message in HTML. Since there seems to be only one setting for choice of HTML viewer, a user should reasonably expect that clicking a link in ANY view mode would open the same browser. That also sounds like a TB bug. Lastly, none of this matters to me because I consider it totally insane to EVER click a link in an email, for security reasons. I always retype them into my browser or perhaps copy and paste them, but clicking can all too easily lead you to a web site of evil. Then again, it might be nice if TB had an option to provide a special warning if the link text doesn't match the link that will be followed and/or if the link will execute some script or macro. Then it MIGHT be arguably safe to click a plaintext link. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Raymund, Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 4:02:09 PM, you wrote: RT> Well, Max warned you about this. If you already have 5.1.6.0 RT> installed, deinstall it first. Well, you didn't (and neither did RT> Steven). So what do you expect? My (admittedly bad) excuse is that I saw the note about "German strings" and assumed that it didn't apply to an English install. I feel pretty dumb now. Sigh. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Raymund, Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 10:51:31 AM, you wrote: RT> Hi Steven, >> First, I searched the specific key mentioned above. Not found. RT> I hope you didn't search for thebat_prc as I wrote. That should have been RT> thebat_pro... Silly me, taking things literally.I just thought that the '_prc' was some internal acronym that RIT attached to 'thebat' to ensure it was unique. It didn't even occur to me that you were referring to part of a file name. I'm searching again with the correct string, but one of the registry fix/clean tools may have already eradicated it, since the latest (5.1.6.2) MSI did not complain. Ah... once I realized that I needed to search in 'data' instead of 'key' or 'value' this was MUCH easier to locate. And it helped me get rid of some bat guano from my registry, too, since there were still entries for 5.1.6 and 5.1.6.1 after I'd run the MSI for 5.1.6.1 and 5.1.6.2 (in that order.) Thanks for the correction! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
To anyone interested, I'm not sure if this issue has been corrected, or if Miguel's "trick" caused it, but I ran the 5.1.6.2 MSI today and, for the first time in over a year, NEITHER of the address drop-lists was missing after the install completed and TheBat restarted. I've got my fingers crossed, hoping that I can forget about this issue forever! Thanks to the folks who helped! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Raymund,
Monday, May 14, 2012, 12:10:30 PM, you wrote:
RT> (The key should be somewhere in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Installer\strange
RT> number)
RT> Please let me know the strange number...
I looked up the documentation for the (un)install registry
keys, searched for 'bat' within that area and (after I
eliminated all of the acroBAT items) found entries for both
TheBat! 5.1.6.1 and TheBat! 5.1.6. That surprised me, since
I expected the newer one to have replaced/removed the older.
Also, I'm not well versed in UUIDs, so I don't know if I
should be surprised that 5.1.6 and 5.1.6.1 use different
UUIDs:
5.1.6:{3C4A8F69-DD0D-4B06-A765-4DFF1F6C8C02}
5.1.6.1: {09E7FC03-5E08-4D53-ABCA-9F9E2BCF6FB7}
And, FWIW, the root key for the uninstall information is
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall
Later followup...
I used the 5.1.6.2 MSI and it did not produce the warning
message about the old 4.x version. This could be due to
either the Microsoft Fix-It utility finally having worked,
the Glary Utilities Registry Cleanup which reported issues
with uninstallers for missing programs and claimed to have
cleaned them and/or RIT changed something in the MSI.
Regardless, the issue is gone for me. Hooray!
--
Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com
--
"If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen."
-Larry Zana
Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Raymund, Monday, May 14, 2012, 12:10:30 PM, you wrote: RT> (The key should be somewhere in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Installer\strange RT> number) RT> Please let me know the strange number... First, I searched the specific key mentioned above. Not found. Second, I searched my ENTIRE registry (keys *and* values). Not found. Any other ideas? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.1 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 4:08:20 AM, you wrote: M> ...I have found a "trick" that makes it work. At least it does M> for me... Your "trick" worked for me, too. The restart was critical. I looked before restarting and the "Create a New Message" drop list had reverted to only "Quick Template" after I added the single address, but the RMB menu was correct instead of being empty (as it was BEFORE I added the single address.) After restarting TB! both address lists are populated as I think they should be. THANKS! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.1 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Dwight, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 9:16:14 AM, you wrote: DC> in mine, it's looking for 4-0-18.msi. I assure you that this DC> particular msi was deleted LONG AGO. Yes, the old MSI was deleted very long ago here, too, but the Microsoft Fix-It tool for cleaning up and correcting (un)installer issues still managed to locate /something/ about it, because it is always listed in the list of things produced by the Fix-It tool. But even the Fix-It tool does not seem to want to actually /remove/ whatever it is finding, or it needs a non-obvious (to me) incantation to make it do so. DC> I continue to see no reason to fuss with this. cancel works every DC> time. I'm a programmer and therefore somewhat obsessed with the elimination of bugs. So fuss I must. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.1 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Raymund, Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 12:59:22 PM, you wrote: RT> Try this: RT> http://support.microsoft.com/mats/Program_Install_and_Uninstall RT> There are some left over of the 4.0.16.2 Installation. Thanks, I tried to have the tool 'uninstall' TheBat! Professional 4.0.16 Then I ran the new 5.1.6.1 MSI and got the same warning. This time when I ran the tool linked above a second time, it now shows me THREE versions of TheBat! Professional installed: v4.0.16, v5.1.6.1, and v5.1.6! So, not only did it NOT remove the ancient one, but now the v5.1.6 seems to be "stuck" as well. Sigh. However, the tool looks promising, so I'm giving it another attempt, largely because the options seem fairly cryptic and/or vague. After all, I get the error I'm trying to fix when trying to INSTALL a program, but I think I need to tell the tool that I'm actually having trouble UNINSTALLING a program that I successfully (as far as I knew) uninstalled years ago. And if it matters, I'm running on XP, too. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.1 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 4:23:11 AM, you wrote: M> let's see how long it lasts. Well, FWIW, I could not get the cascading menu feature to work *AT ALL* in 5.1.2, but by de-selecting all of the options for it in each of my address list groups, my ENTIRE list of favorites would appear in both the Create a New Message /and/ the RMB in an address field drop-lists. After installing 5.1.6, the cascaded menus are working again in the Create a New message drop list and once again, *ALL* addresses have been removed from the RMB menu in the address fields. With this feature's functionality changing with every release (for me, at least), it seemed like RIT was actively working on it. However, I'm now starting to believe that there may just be an uninitialized variable or two involved and every compile is leaving them with different "random" values that cause different aspects of this feature to work (or not) in different ways with each release. At least, the second option makes more sense to me (as a programmer myself.) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Maxim, Monday, May 7, 2012, 4:29:15 PM, you wrote: MM> Could you please check the 5.1.6 MSI files: The last few MSI files I've tried have all produced a strange message that I've attached as an image. For some reason, they are all asking me for the path to TheBat's 4.0.16.2 MSI. That is especially strange, since I ran 4.2,44 since it came out and haven't had the 4.0.x version on my system for a very long time. I don't recall any of the 4.x MSIs ever asking about this, so I consider it a 5.x series bug. I'm willing to check things like the registry, INI files, or whatever else you want me to look at to determine why the 5.x MSIs are so obsessed with this old MSI that I no longer have a copy of. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Steven, Monday, April 23, 2012, 8:09:51 AM, you wrote: SPV> Sadly, I installed the 5.1.0.4 update and, once again, SPV> everything has reverted to the broken/missing state (as SPV> is the RMB list in the address fields.) I guess I get SPV> to fix this every single time I install a new version. I just finished unchecking and rechecking all of the necessary items in the address book group properties but have NOT yet restarted TheBat! and, so far, the "Create a New Message" drop-list is still empty, BUT for the first time in many YEARS, the RMB list in the address fields now shows the list of groups with the selected addresses at the next level *AND* the normal cut, past, copy, etc! Previously, when the RMB list is visible at all, it shows every favourite I have selected at the top level, without any group hierarchy. I'm going to save this as a draft, restart TheBat! and let you know what the menus look like after the restart, too... OK. After restarting, both the "Create a New Message" drop-list *AND* the RMB pop-up list in the address fields show the SAME MENU! I haven't seen that for at LEAST FIVE years. Now, if it will only continue working when I install the inevitable next release. And the one after that. And... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Saturday, April 21, 2012, 3:47:40 AM, you wrote: >> Thanks MAU for your suggestions! M> You owe me a beer ;-) Next time you're going to be on Florida's Space Coast let me know and I'll take care of you! Sadly, I installed the 5.1.0.4 update and, once again, everything has reverted to the broken/missing state (as is the RMB list in the address fields.) I guess I get to fix this every single time I install a new version. Since I seem to be the only one having this issue, I must once again ask what could be unique about my system that is upsetting this particular function...and what other things [that I don't use much or at all] are also being "broken" every time I upgrade? Getting an answer to this question just might help resolve other issues as well... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.1 MSI
Dwight, Friday, April 20, 2012, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: DC> I fired up my XP machine and ran the MSI, and got this same result. I DC> have seen it on that box with TB! msi's for a long time. I always DC> assumed it was because of something I had done some time, and gave it DC> no mind. Just hit cancel, and it went away. Installs without further DC> problems. If it had only happened once I would have ignored it, but since I got the same message from the two most recent MSI installs of 5.x, I thought it was worth mentioning. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: space shuttle Discovery's final flight
Bob, Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 4:39:00 PM, you wrote: BR> I watched these videos in tears, which some of you will understand. I felt much the same when I visited her in the VAB about a week before she left... http://www.svalli.com/files/Discovery120406.jpg -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.1 MSI
Steven, Friday, April 20, 2012, 11:12:02 AM, you wrote: SPV> Maxim, SPV> FWIW, both this MSI and the previous one triggered a SPV> message box that looked something like this: I forgot to mention that pressing the CANCEL button allowed the install to continue and complete without further incident. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.1 MSI
Maxim, FWIW, both this MSI and the previous one triggered a message box that looked something like this: +--[ The Bat! Professional v5.1.0 ]+ | | | The feature you are trying to use is on a | | network resource that is unavailable. | | | |Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a| |folder containing the installation package| |'thebat_pro_4-0-16-2.msi' in the box below. | +--+ (I didn't show the buttons or the image icon ) What I find interesting is that the last several MSI files I used were: 4.2.42 4.2.44 5.0.8 (uninstall 5.0.8) 4.2.44 5.0.36 5.1.0 (this one) So it seems rather odd that it is complaining about the 4.0.16.2 MSI. Also, it is complaining about it being missing from a NETWORK RESOURCE, but I have always downloaded and installed from my boot drive, which is definitely NOT a network drive. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Friday, April 20, 2012, 6:20:28 AM, you wrote: M> - If I select the option 'Add items to Instant Address Pop-Up' I do get M> the groups and favourites (maybe after re-starting), but then the M> right-click context menu in Editor does NOT show any group or M> favourites. I normally don't have this option selected and I only get M> the favourites without the groups, but they also appear in editor's M> context menu. 1: I went through ALL of the groups in my address book and *UNCHECKED* the "Add items to the Instant Address Pop-Up" and "Hide items if not explicitly selected" items for everything. 2: I restarted TheBat! 3: *ALL* of my addresses checked as "Favourite" now appear on the "Create a new Message" drop list *AND* when I RMB in an address field! 4: I went through my address book again and RECHECKED the "Add items to the Instant Address Pop-Up" and "Hide items if not explicitly selected" items for all of the groups that still have addresses marked as "Favourite" (I now have a few that have none.) 5: I restarted TheBat! 6: The "Create a new Message" drop-list is back to what I'm familiar with and the RMB context menu in the address fields is back to "cut, copy, paste, undo and select all" with no addresses (or groups) listed. It is too bad that the RMB context menu in the address fields cannot be like the "Create a new Message" drop- list. Having a complete list of ALL of my favourite addresses is too large to be usable. The hierarchical list that "Create a new Message" offers is MUCH BETTER. I'm guessing that the "Create a new Message" list went empty because the first group I had checked no longer contained any favourite addresses and it got confused and gave up. At least it is working as it was, if not really correctly (at least, not as I understand "correctly" to mean.) Thanks MAU for your suggestions! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Friday, April 20, 2012, 6:20:28 AM, you wrote: M> I don't use favourites addresses from the drop-down list but from the M> context menu when right clicking on the To: or CC: field of the editor. I'd love to use a feature like that! When I right-click in To: CC: or BCC: I get a context menu containing only these items: copy, cut, paste, undo and select all. M> Anyway, I was curious about your problem Thanks for your interest and research, it is appreciated. M> I assume you have re-started TB many times. At least a few dozen. M> - If I select the option 'Add items to Instant Address Pop-Up' I do get M> the groups and favourites (maybe after re-starting), but then the M> right-click context menu in Editor does NOT show any group or M> favourites. I normally don't have this option selected and I only get M> the favourites without the groups, but they also appear in editor's M> context menu. I guess I'll try *NOT* selecting anything for inclusion in the pop-up menu and maybe they will magically appear in the address field context menu instead. I've not been able to get an address list pop-up in the address fields since somewhere in v2 or v3 (though I do get a list of things that kind of match what I've started to type, but that doesn't always help if I do not remember the name I'm looking for!) I'm sure there's a setting to control which of the context menus is displayed, but actually /finding/ a specific new setting in TB is far too much like finding a four-leaf clover in a very large clover field! (At least, that's the way it feels to me!) M> - I have been playing with both v4.2.44.2 and v5.1.0.4 and they both M> seem to behave the same. So, whatever the issue/problem is, I don't M> think it is something new to v5. The last time this happened was when I went from 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8 in April 2011 and reverting to 4.x "fixed" the problem. FWIW, I've had this list go empty several times when trying new betas over the years, but they happen so far apart that I forget how to fix them! It is starting to look like I'll be going back to 4.2.44.2 again. It isn't that I need (or use) any of the new things added to the 5.x line, I was just trying to stay current on a product I find worthy of supporting. But it keeps breaking the one age-old feature that I *DO* use often. Sigh. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Extra info about the missing contacts in the 'Create a new message' drop-list: All of the groups I want listed have the "Add items to the Instant Address Pop-Up" and "Hide items if not explicitly selected" items checked in the "Edit Group Properties" dialogs. All of the users I want listed have "Favourite" checked. However, the drop-list shows only "Quick templates" instead of the groups/users it should be showing. I'd really, REALLY, *REALLY* like to get this back. I probably used that feature more than any other. HELP! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
(I posted this to the TheBat! User List, but since it is about the 5.1.x.y BETA, I figured I should post it here, too.) I recently upgraded from 4.2.44 => 5.0.x.y => 5.1.x.y and the "Create a new Message" drop-list has gone empty again (except for 'Quick Template'). This has happened before but all I remember is that there's some magic file I need to delete so that TB! will re-create the drop-list content (or something like that.) I have everyone correctly checked as a favorite in the address book, but they no longer appear on the drop-list. I've restarted the program several times and it is not fixing itself, so I'm hoping someone knows how to get them back. Help? Please? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Negative Unread Messages?
Rick, Monday, April 11, 2011, 11:35:01 AM, you wrote: >> I deleted all of the messages (read and unread) from my >> "Probably SPAM" folder this morning, and now TB! shows >> that I have -2 Unread messages and 0 Total in that folder >> (see attached image or http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug2.png) R> I have had a similar problem. Go onto the messages and invoke FIND R> and then in the ADVANCED tab, choose "unread messages" and search Ok, I tried that and it found nothing. Is that what you thought I should get? Also, five new messages went into that folder so far today. When I noticed that, there was only -1 unread, so I opened the folder and saw there are actually NINE messages in the folder, and three of those were marked unread. When I went and marked them read, I now have -4 unread and 5 total but the numbers should be 0 unread and 9 total. I just stopped and restart TB! to see if it might correct the counts (since v4 seemed to recomputed them every time it started.) Alas, that folder still shows -4 unread and 5 total instead of 0 and 9. Sigh. TB5 seems to be a bit dain bramaged. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Negative Unread Messages?
I deleted all of the messages (read and unread) from my "Probably SPAM" folder this morning, and now TB! shows that I have -2 Unread messages and 0 Total in that folder (see attached image or http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug2.png) I tried the same thing with a couple other folders that had a mix of read/unread messages, but it only happened once. Random (or at least, apparently random) program behavior is VERY disturbing. Between this, filters randomly honoring/ignoring the "Mark Read" action (and who knows what ELSE), and other issues, I'm VERY, VERY concerned about TB5... Is it possible to roll back to TB4 right over my current TB5? I have a backup from the day I "upgraded" but I'd prefer not to lose the messages sent/received since then. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Ctrl+Del behavior changed?
In TB 4.2.42 and earlier, I used Ctrl+Del all the time to delete all of the messages from a folder (especially my "probable spam" folder.) Back then, Ctrl+Del moved the deleted message to the TRASH and Ctrl+Del in the Trash folder permanently deleted the files. Imagine my surprise when I used Ctrl+Del on my probable spam folder today and the messages were immediately permanently deleted instead of going in to the TRASH. Is this a planned new behavior? If so, what replaces the old Ctrl+Del? If not... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office Filter(s) not working
After upgrading to 5.0.8 I've noticed that the "Mark the message as read" action in my sorting office filters is no longer working. The messages are correctly being sorted in different folders, but they are all showing as UNREAD, even though many of my folders should never have an unread message (most notably, my "probable spam" folder.) Hopefully this will be corrected quickly... Or is there some other magic file I'll need to go delete to make this feature work, too? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing favorites -- again
Oh, the last time this happened, someone here told me what magic file to delete and the list was back. It seems that this kind of thing should be documented /somewhere/ and perhaps even built in to the program as a "repair" system that can restore various parts of TB back to the factory settings on demand. Also, the list was working find with TB 4.2.42, which I was running prior to the upgrade. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Tony, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:23:10 AM, you wrote: TH> I have the full text of the release message if anyone is not on the TH> mailing list I think it is also available at http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=3370 at least, the page matches the email I saw. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
DoCiphersSelfTest failure?
I tried running thebat /AES_BENCHMARK on my machine and was told my CPU doesn't have the new instructions. I expected that, but after I pressed OK in that dialog, I was presented with the attached message, which doesn't seem like a good thing. Is it normal? If the attachment is missing/broken, the image is also available at http://www.svalli.com/files/baterr.png -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing favorites -- again
Once again, a TB upgrade has made a useful feature disappear: The drop-list for the new message button has once again reverted to showing nothing but the "Quick Templates" choice -- all of my favorites are missing. BUT, all of those favorites are still marked in the address book. Also, is there a way to change the hideously ugly tool- tip font being used (you can see it behind the drop-list in the attached image)? If not, can I at least set the size smaller so that they don't look like something made by an amateur Visual Basic programmer? If the attached image is missing or doesn't work, it may also be seen at http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug.png -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: no text in reply
Ron, Monday, March 7, 2011, 4:36:53 PM, you wrote: RS> On Monday, March 07, 2011 Gary, [G] wrote: RS> ...works fine here... You've just nailed the primary issue that has kept me from running TB5. I've tried a few of the betas but wierd things are always broken and all the ones I've found in the bug tracker are marked as fixed a long time ago. Not knowing or remembering what magic file(s) to delete to make things fix themselves (as if by magic!), I keep returning to TB4.2.42 and it keeps working as I expect. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.42 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.0.145 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Check Mail At Startup -- still broken
MAU, Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:27:04 AM, you wrote: M> Hello Steven, >> The "Check Mail At Startup" setting has been flaky >> for at least the past few builds. M> For quite a few builds. See this BT report from 26-Apr-2007 M> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6351 Thanks, at least I know that (a) I'm not alone and (b) it is in the bug database already. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.36.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Check Mail At Startup -- still broken
I've asked about this before without getting any responses, but since the issue still exists in 4.2.36.4, I thought I might as well mention it again. 4.2.36.4 is the newest version I can find, but I'm not sure if it is current or not, since the version numbers being discussed on the beta list are so varied, it is starting to get confusing. Anyway, here's what is happening: The "Check Mail At Startup" setting has been flaky for at least the past few builds. TB is ignoring this setting when it is started as part of my boot/auto-logon sequence. But, if I /restart/ TB by itself (i.e. without restarting Windows), then the setting is respected. I'm starting to think that the "Periodic Checking Each" setting might be triggering immediately when TB starts at boot time. If so, then TB may be honoring the "Check Mail At Startup" setting in spirit, but not in fact due to an immediate check being performed by the periodic checker. Or it could be something else, but either way, it is slightly disturbing to have TB ALWAYS display a fetch error when my computer reboots. This is obviously not a critical thing, it would just be nice for the settings to do what they're documented to do. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.36.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Check mail at startup?
This setting has been flaky for the past few builds, at least. TB is ignoring this setting when it is started at part of my boot/auto-logon sequence. However, if I /restart/ TB by itself, then the setting is respected. This is not a critical thing, but it causes TB to display a FETCH error every time my computer boots because it takes POPFile longer to get started than TB... -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.35 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edit as New?
Feli, Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:23:37 AM, you wrote: SPV>> It is not uncommon for me to want to re-send an old message, SPV>> sometimes to the same people, sometime to new people, and SPV>> sometimes with additional or updated information. FW> Why don't you copy the already sent message to the outbox and FW> edit the header and the message there? This is already possible and FW> should suit your needs. It isn't always easy to remember all of the "magic" features of different folders in TB! and I figured that, since the existing right-click menu on an email message already has at LEAST 50 (yes, I counted them) choices, who would be bothered by just one more that would provide a feature that other email programs provide? Of course, if there's a TB! macro programming language that would allow me to create a macro that does this *AND* add the macro to the right-click menu, then I'm golden -- as long as the macro doesn't get lost on a version upgrade. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.13.4 ALPHA | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inline Images
When I CC'd my home address on a message I sent from work today, I noticed that TB /still/ doesn't format HTML mail with inline images in a way that Thunderbird can correctly handle. For some reason, the images are all collected at the bottom of the message, instead of where I placed them. I'm sure that TB conforms to the /letter/ of the necessary RFCs for this, however, it would really be nice if it could conform to the common practice instead -- at least as an option of via an add-in or something. I use Thunderbird at home and receive mail from people using many, many different email programs and the ONLY one that generates messages with the images out of line is TB. I understand that the weakness is actually Thunderbird's, but no one (or almost no one) is /paying/ them to fix things and create a fully compliant email program. I'm reasonably sure this request will not get implemented, but as a paying customer of TB for the past seven years, I felt I had a right to request it (again). If Thunderbird were some fly-by-night, barely used program I wouldn't bother, but since it is free and rather popular (especially among my friends, family, co-workers and customers), this doesn't seem to be an unreasonable request. Of course, it could also be fixed by RIT Labs contributing the necessary code to the Thunderbird project to correctly render messages in the format TB is using... -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.13.4 ALPHA | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Edit as New?
Didn't previous a version (or versions) of TB have a menu option for messages to "Edit as new"? I may be thinking of some other email program, but the only other one I use is Thunderbird, and it doesn't have that option (and I don't think it ever did). It is not uncommon for me to want to re-send an old message, sometimes to the same people, sometime to new people, and sometimes with additional or updated information. While it is /possible/ to do this in TB by cutting the old message and pasting it into a new one, that loses the old addressee lists, which are tedious enough to enter now that the address drop-menu is gone from the To:, CC: and BCC: fields in the Edit Mail Message window. If I can manually get "Edit as New" back on the menu and/or get the drop-lists back in the address fields, could someone /please/ tell me how? Thanks! -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.13.4 ALPHA | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost feature?
Steven, Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:07:50 AM, you wrote: SPV> I'll see if removing ALL of my "favorites" (which appears to be the SPV> shorter, easier to find version of the "Add Items to the Instant SPV> Address Pop-up" setting), restarting TB and then adding them one at SPV> a time brings back the popup. Sadly, I doubt anything will until SPV> RIT has the time to look into this -- i.e. not anytime soon. Oh well. It didn't help at all. And the new set of favorites has fewer items than previously, so it should also meet the "uncheck any ONE of the addresses' "Add items..." box test as well. And, FWIW, at one point even though I had all of the favorites UNCHECKED, I still got the popup menu from the "Create a new message" drop-down. And the opposite also happened: when I had favorites CHECKED, I got only "Quick Templates" on the "Create a new message" drop-down. After restarting those generally went away. Now I'm confused as to why empty groups appear on the drop-down as well as why I cannot get the drop-down to appear in response to a right-click in an address field on a new message. I love TB and I don't like seeing it in sickness and pain... -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.1.14.2 (RC2) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost feature?
Dmitry, Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 8:05:05 AM, you wrote: DN> Hi Steven, DN> Please see my report attached hereto (for some reason, it never appeared on the mailing list). DN> I suspect you are having the same problem. The problem certainly /looks/ the same, but I tried playing with the only "Add Items to the Instant Address Pop-up" check I could find (on the 'Other' tab of an individual address book entry's properties), both adding some and removing some and nothing had any effect on the popup menu. I sure wish I could get the thing back as I used it ALL the time! The search/suggest feature is painfully slow (and requires me to remember more than I want as well) and going to the address book itself is worse. I can empathize with RIT on this issue as one of the programs I maintain has more configuration options (and paths to those options) than are documented anywhere except the code -- just like TheBat (although TB has many more than mine). The problem is that a tiny change to the way one setting is interpreted can ripple beyond anything the programmer expects. I'll see if removing ALL of my "favorites" (which appears to be the shorter, easier to find version of the "Add Items to the Instant Address Pop-up" setting), restarting TB and then adding them one at a time brings back the popup. Sadly, I doubt anything will until RIT has the time to look into this -- i.e. not anytime soon. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.1.14.2 (RC2) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office Problem/Suggestion
[At least] One of my filters has apparently stopped working. Sadly, it is the one that deletes all of the messages that SpamAssassin has tagged as SPAM, so its failure is having a quite noticeable effect on my mail volume. I have the condition as: Header field X-Spam-Status contains Yes OR Subject contains :SPAM: And yet I still receive hundreds of messages that meet one or both of those conditions. Since it is /possibly/ (though highly unlikely) that an earlier filter is grabbing them, I looked at the log to check, but alas, the log only has the past few hours and shows none of the messages I was looking for. I wanted to increase the log size, or have it written to disk, but I cannot find any log control settings in the preferences dialog. So... I have a suggestion/request: I think it would be nice to have an option that tells TB! to add an additional mail header that names the filter TB! matched for the message. For example, something like: X-TheBat-Filter: Mail From Joe And maybe even an additional option to add the part of the rule that triggered the match, if such a thing is known: X-TheBat-FilterRule: Sender contains j...@example.com I know that the second part is asking a lot, but I think that the first should be possible and it would keep a very useful piece of information available as long as the message, without requiring a very large log. Would anyone care to second this idea? -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.1.14.1 (RC1) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost feature?
Jernej, Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 5:08:08 PM, you wrote: JS> On Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 14:36:19, Steven P Vallière wrote: >> That ability made adding additional addressees /really/ quick >> and easy. JS> Works for me as long as I don't manually select part of the text in JS> those boxes first. Hmmm... OK. So where is the setting that somehow got changed for me so that I might change it back? Just in case what I'm looking for is now attached to some other edit feature, I'm attaching an image of the status bar from my normal 'Edit Mail Message' window to show the settings I'm using (at least, the ones that I know and understand). I'm wondering if the behavior follows one of the edit modes or something like that... -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.1.11.28 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 4.1.11.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost feature?
I really miss something from older versions of TB! I'm not sure when it disappeared (or if it is an option I can get back) but... Once upon a time, I could right-click in the To:, CC:, or BCC: field and get the same drop-down menu that appears when I click the little down arrow next to the "Create new message" button. That ability made adding additional addressees /really/ quick and easy. Now I only see the standard cut-n-paste menu for an edit control. The "replacements" for the feature don't work nearly as well for me: * Going to the address book to find an address feels very cumbersome. It might not be so bad if the groups were included in the address list instead of hidden under a control that looks like it allows you to select a /different/ address book. Or perhaps displaying the names in a tree-list with the groups shown as expandable branches (and selectable themselves to send to everyone in a group) would be OK. * The thing that pops up when you enter part of an address might be OK if I could always remember the address, but sometimes I'm sending to an old support address that I've not used for a year of more and I just don't remember. The pop-up also seems to appear a bit too slowly to me, but that is probably adjustable somewhere. I also wish this thing could be told whether to match the substring anywhere in the email address (as it does now) or only at the beginning of 'words' within the address. And just showing a list of things with the same first letter is sometimes nice, too. In other words, I like the way Thunderbird does this much better and wish TB! did the same, or at least offered the option to do the same. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.1.11.28 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.1.11.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.17
Maxim, Friday, April 24, 2009, 12:14:51 AM, you wrote: MM> We are working on postponed sending in this beta, it is still in MM> progress. We would like to ask your suggestion about how should we MM> call this feature in the interface? “Postponed Send”? “Postponed MM> Sending”? Or “Postpone sending”? If it is a command/menu item, how about "Send later"? -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.1.11.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.1.11.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: click == double-click?
Hello Roelof, Monday, October 27, 2008, 8:10:00 AM, you wrote: RO> Can't confirm that with the latest alpha. RO> However, it looks a lot like a problem my brother had (not with TB as RO> he isn't using that) and that problem stopped with his using a RO> different mouse. If it were happening in any other applications, I'd suspect the mouse, mouse driver, and/or Windows. But since I'm not seeing anything like this in other applications, I thought that, perhaps, TB is using its own double-click detection and is somehow getting confused -- which still /might/ be caused by my mouse. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.34.13 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.34.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
click == double-click?
I've noticed that the most recent versions of TB (at least up through 4.0.34.13) seem to think that I've double-clicked on a message (and therefore open a separate viewing window for it) when I have only single-clicked. This doesn't happen all of the time (probably about 30-40% of the time) and it isn't happening in any of my other applications (at least, not that I can tell). Obviously, this isn't terribly important, just a bit irritating. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.34.13 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.34.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder view state/settings
Jens, Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 8:38:10 AM, you wrote: JF> am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2008 um 13:50 schrieb Steven P Vallière: >> So, is this a known issue? If so, is there a fix/work-around? JF> I had something like that, but only some folders. JF> When i return to some folders, i am on Message Number 137 or something. JF> I exported the Messages in UNIX Mailbox and deleted the folder (i left JF> the filter Definition, which sorts to this folder untouched). JF> Created the Folder new and imported the Messages (marked them read). JF> This worked for me for 3 Folders, which did curious things. Thanks, I might give that a try if any of this gets in any way consistent... I habitually check a few specific folders each morning and yesterday ALL of those were mis-sorted and focused on an unexpected message. Today, all were exactly as expected. I'm starting to suspect that viewing /some other folder/ is somehow messing up the next (or previous?) folder viewed. This is starting to seem more likely than several folders developing the same kind of random strangeness, IMHO. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.34.13 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder view state/settings
I've been noticing that TB is no longer "remembering" things like the last message viewed in a folder and a folder's sort column. I'm not sure how many versions back this started, because I thought it was my mistake. However, for the past week or so, I've been very careful to leave folders while looking at the newest message, sorted by the 'Received' column. When I return to a folder, it might be sorted on a different column and/or looking at a different message. Admittedly, this is a minor inconvenience, but it can be disconcerting when things aren't as you left them. Also, it /might/ indicate that other [unseen] things are changing in the folder as well. So, is this a known issue? If so, is there a fix/work-around? -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.34.13 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Check mail at startup?
SPV>> The attached image shows my option settings for check SPV>> mailbox at start-up, and the status bar message I saw SPV>> right after TB started. PM> Is this the only account in The Bat!? Maybe another account has the PM> "Check at start-up" checked? I only have a single account. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.34 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.34.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dual-Display Problems
Roman, Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:22:10 AM, you wrote: RM> ... if I use Microsoft Remote Desktop to connect to RM> a dual monitor environment... RM> Any ideas? Probably not what you want, but I use a three monitor setup with UltraVNC and never have any trouble accessing any TB windows remotely, even from a client running only 1024x768 (my monitors are all 1280x1024 making the desktop 3840x1024). I guess what I'm saying is that perhaps the problem lies with Microsoft Remote Desktop instead of TB... -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.26.5 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.26.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Minor HTML render bug
Normally a blank line (or at least a bit of vertical whitespace) is added after both and tags. However, TB (at least 4.0.26) is not doing that for the blockquote. Example: This is paragraph one this is a quote This is paragraph two Should render something like this: This is paragraph one this is a quote This is paragraph two But TB 4.0.26 is rendering it like this instead: This is paragraph one this is a quote This is paragraph two I know this is pretty minor, but it caused a recent message I received to be difficult to read because the headings ended up snuggled up to the /previous/ section instead of standing out as they did in the original. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.26 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.26.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0.22.0
Martin, Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 8:46:25 AM, you wrote: MS> I also had this problem when switching back to .5 which I noticed only five MS> minutes ago. So now I'm back on .4 and hope that everything is working MS> again. Very strange... I have only one filter for TBBETA, and only *your* messages are not being processed (in 20.5 or 22.0). I've looked at the headers but I'm not seeing what could be making your messages fail the filter... Too bad there's not some sort of filter test tool that we could use from inside TB... or is there, and I just don't know about it? (like so very many features ) -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.20.5 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.22.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0.22.0
Martin, Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 8:07:13 AM, you wrote: MS> Incoming and outgoing filters are not working anymore... Reverting to MS> 4.0.20.4. Looking more, I found that /some/ filters are working fine. For example, my SpamAssassin filter, which is: Subject contains :SPAM: Is working as it should as are my filters based on sender. But the very few filters I have based on recipient appear to be the broken ones for me. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.22 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.20.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0.22.0
Martin, Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 8:07:13 AM, you wrote: MS> Hi Maxim! >> up and running using OTFE. MS> I have to correct myself. MS> Incoming and outgoing filters are not working anymore... Reverting to MS> 4.0.20.4. Confirmed here, at least for the filter I'm using for this list, which is: Recipient contains tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.22 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.20.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [The Bat! 4.0.18.2] Is this normal?
Vili, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 4:09:31 PM, you wrote: V> b. the only way to remove this window is 1.) restart TB or 2.) move V> ca. 1000 mails somewhere and DONT take off the focus from TB.") It seem that the bottom line is that (a) this is a minor bug in TB and (b) the message window might benefit from a 'close' (or 'hide'?) button as the simplest way to work around the problem of not closing when the operation completes. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.18.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.18.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[The Bat! 4.0.18.2] Is this normal?
Today I noticed this little window apparently hiding behind TB's main window. It didn't seem to be bothering anything, but having not seen it before (except once or twice as it appeared and disappeared rapidly). It seems like it should go away on its own, but after several HOURS it had not. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.18.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 4.0.18.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Address Book == Delete Message?
Jens, Thursday, February 21, 2008, 1:36:24 PM, you wrote: JF> In the Message Compose Window, there is no Button JF> Adressbook as Default, you might have customized? JF> And in the Main Window, it works normal for me. JF> Is it possible, the icons lay over each other? It seems my three year old batskin.xml file suddenly became "bad" -- although it has not changed since March 21, 2005. Visually, I think that there may have been two toolbars, one atop the other. But moth of the buttons worked as I expected -- except for address book. But it is fixed now that I deleted the offending batskin.xml file (why was it there, if it wasn't needed? I may never know). Tausend Dank! -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.14.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.14.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Address Book == Delete Message?
Valerye, Thursday, February 21, 2008, 10:32:40 AM, you wrote: VB> You, maybe, have an incompatible file, VB> which does toolbar icon offset problem, try to find and VB> remove this file. Thanks! That fixed it. Now I must ask why it matters now, since batskin.xml is dated March 21, 2005? VB> Also check the hint for the button on toolbar - if it says VB> "Delete" instead of "Address Book". If, by 'hint' you mean 'tooltip', then yes it did say "Delete" -- before I deleted batskin.xml and restarted. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.14.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 4.0.14.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address Book == Delete Message?
I just tried right-clicking on the button bar and choosing 'Customise' to see if I could fix the broken address book button. The attached GIF shows what I see in the customise dialog both before *AND AFTER* I removed the spurious delete button! Here's what I did: 1. Right-click the button bar 2. Pick 'Customise...' from the popup menu 3. Click on the 'Delete' item at the bottom of the list of buttons 4. Click on the 'Remove' button in the Customise dialog (the 'delete' item disappears from the list) 5. Close the customise dialog 6. Hover the mouse over the button that should be the address book and see that it still has a 'Delete' tool tip 7. Right-click the button bar 8. Pick 'Customise...' from the popup menu 9. Notice that the 'Delete' item is back 10. Report this strange behavior to TBBETA -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.14.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<> Current beta is 4.0.14.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book == Delete Message?
Yesterday, I accidentally noticed that the address book button on the toolbar now deletes the currently selected message instead of opening the address book. The button shows 'Delete' as the tooltip as well. That was with 4.0.14.1 and is still true with 4.0.14.3. Picking 'Address Book' from the Tools menu works as expected, as does pressing F8. FWIW, I've never attempted to make any changes to the default toolbar or any items on it. Also, I'm not sure if this is related, but the toolbar icons look strange... They seem to have some odd visual artifacts (see attached GIF images [main and edit message toolbar images included]). Also, in case this is relevant, I used thebat_pro_4-0-14.msi to upgrade from 3.x to 4.x and the rar to get 4.0.14.1 and 4.0.14.3 and I'm running on XP; Windows Explorer shows this: Version 5.1 (Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254 : Service Pack 2) -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.0.14.3 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana<><> Current beta is 4.0.14.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Test Message
Apologies in advance for wasting space on a test, but... Either the volume of messages on this list is approaching zero, or something is intercepting them before they get to my local mail server. I say that because I've seen only one message here since Dec 12, 2007 and _that_ was four days ago. So, I'm sending this test message, hoping it will be sent back to me so that I may check to see if volume is low or if there is some other strange issue. My email provider is also watching to see if this (or any) message is received from the list as well. -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.29 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters Process Out of Order
Is it already a known issue that the filters are not being processed in order (from top to bottom) of the filter list? The sixth filter in my list deletes all messages that have ":SPAM:" in the subject. The 68th filter in my list moves all messages that do not have the 'X-Text-Classification' header into a folder named 'unclassified'. My unclassified folder currently contains 1836 messages, 1237 of them have subjects beginning with ":SPAM:"! Looking at the log shows that, for some reason, some of the :SPAM: messages are not matching the 6th filter, but instead are being processed by the 68th! Hopefully this will be fixed VERY SOON. Oh, and if it is not a known/open issue, let me know and I'll gladly add it to the bug tracker. -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.29 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book Won't Close!
I don't know how I triggered this... except that MS Visual Studio 2005 was closing (which can take a few minutes on my machine, for some reason) and clicked the close button (the 'x' at the top right) of the Address Book window to make it close, too. Now it refuses to close. Neither File|Exit nor the close button works. Otherwise the window seems fully functional. -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.24 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dual monitors support
Marek, Thursday, September 6, 2007, 12:27:45 PM, you wrote: MM> 1) editor window is not stored nor on second monitor, nor on first one. MM> When I place it somewhere in first or second monitor, TB change this MM> allways - right side of editor's window is allways sticked on right side of MM> first monitor, when I open it Here it seems that the editor window reopens in the correct size, but always on the monitor where TB is running. If I close the editor on screen 1 or 2, next time it will open on screen 3 (my leftmost, where I run TB) in the size I closed it on 1 or 2, but it looks like it might be using the default window positioning as it looks to me like each time I open it, the new window is created about 16 pixels (or so) down and to the right, until it cycles back to the upper left corner of the screen. MM> 2) message finder and address book window opens on monitor, where is main MM> window placed, so when I place it on second, it is opened there, when I MM> move it to first, close and reopen, it is opened on second. And vice versa The address book seems to /try/ to retain position info, but if it was closed when spanning two screens, it comes back entirely on the screen where TB is running. The address does remember the window size correctly. The message finder remembers the window size, but always opens CENTERED over TB. MM> Smartpad seems working correctly, it stays on second where i left it, even MM> main window is on first one. Cannot say as SmartPad is a feature I've never needed, because I've no idea what it is or how to access it. MM> Anybody can confirm? FWIW, I'm using three monitors, sequenced 3,1,2 with 1 as the primary screen, and TB running maximized on 3. -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.24 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: beta/18
Maxim, Monday, August 20, 2007, 1:58:22 PM, you wrote: MM> [-] (#0006431) Message Finder window don't keep the MM> maximized WindowState The Message Finder maximized issues appear to be fixed, mostly, I think. I say "mostly, I think" because I'm not sure if the Message Finder is intended to save its window position or not. If NOT, then it works perfectly. If it should be saving the window position, it is not as it always opens centered over TheBat!'s main window (on any monitor, so that's a good thing, to me ). But if I had TheBat! on one monitor, and the Message Finder on another, the Message Finder doesn't come back where I left it (but it DOES come back in the same size/state). I'm not positive yet, but I think that the Edit Mail Message window may have a similar issue of always coming back on the monitor where TheBat! is running. If I can be sure of it, I'll post a follow-up message. BTW, neither of these are serious because the various windows at least appear directly over the program being used, so unless someone argues, I'd mark them as low priority. PS: These were found in beta 19 (I skipped 18) -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.19 (BETA) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.99.14 BETA
Maxim, Thursday, August 16, 2007, 9:06:37 AM, you wrote: >>>PS: it will even open maximized on the third monitor >>> when it was closed from there! Hooray! MM> Thank you! Did this version resolve all other issues MM> related to third monitor that you wrote before? For the main window, I'd say that the things I was seeing are no longer happening. However, the Message Finder is now misbehaving when it is closed while maximized -- even when the Message Finder was maximized on the primary monitor. When I open the Message Finder after closing it maximized, it flashes on the appropriate screen, then minimizes to the primary monitor (based on where the task bar icon appears). Then I must try to restore it twice to get it to open, and then it opens maximized on the monitor where TheBat!'s main window is residing, instead of the monitor where the Message Finder was closed. However, when the Message Finder is closed when restored (i.e. neither maximized nor minimized) it opens again in the same SIZE it was closed, but centered over TheBat!'s main window. If I can do anything to help (such as running some tests with an instrumented build) please let me know. If you want to email me directly instead of through the list, replace "thebat" in my email address with "svalli". -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.14 (BETA) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.14 BETA
MM> [-] (#0003233) Does not restore window to Second Monitor Fixed! Thank you so much! PS: it will even open maximized on the third monitor when it was closed from there! Hooray! -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.14 (BETA) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message Finder doesn't open correctly in 3.99.10
I'm one of the few folks using TB on a three monitor system. If I close the message finder when it is maximized on my TB screen, the next time I try to open it all I see is flash of the window opening correctly, followed by a thin, vertical gray (window edge color) bar along the edge of the screen and the message finder button appearing on a DIFFERENT screen's task bar. Picking "restore" from the finder's window menu allows me to see and use it. I can further work around this by always remembering that one can never, ever close any of TB's windows when they are maximized without bad things happening next time the windows are accessed. Maybe, if the bug is not ever going to be fixed, RIT could add an option to disable the maximize buttons and commands instead... Extra info: my displays are numbered 3, 2, 1 (in the physical layout) and #2 is my primary display. The primary display is the one with 0,0 at the upper left corner, for those who don't know. I run TB on the left hand monitor (#3), stretched to fill the screen (BUT NOT MAXIMIZED because that bug hasn't been fixed in the years since it was reported and confirmed). The "gray bar" that I see is located where the colons (:) are in the "image" below (use a fixed width font), right on the very edge, of, but not visible on, the primary monitor (#2): +-+-+-+ |:| | | | 3 :| 2 | 1 | |:| | | +-+-+-+ Apparently, the unfixed bug with maximized windows on non-primary displays has been extended to include the Message Finder window. Not sure how long this has been true, but I suspect it will last until RIT gets their display library fixed or chooses a different one. -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.10 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99.10 bug
Jan, Monday, August 6, 2007, 9:01:47 AM, you wrote: JR> It's been reported before but I can also confirm JR> on my w2k-sp4 machine closing TB! to systray does JR> not work. FWIW, my XP-SP2 machine also gets an exception when I right-click the tray icon. The message is: Access violation at address 0053D127 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 386E. -- Steven Vallière | tb 3.99.10 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 3.99.09 - Problems with minimisation
This may be related: TB! now shows up on the Task Bar when "Minimize to Tray" and "Do not show on task bar" are both checked. Earlier versions did not. -- Steve Vallière | tb 3.99.9 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Images wrong?
Thanks to the F9 hint from Peter Meyns (THANK YOU!) I've discovered (by using it on the sent message I created from scratch in TB!) that I was incorrect in what I thought I'd found. The sent message showed that TB! had indeed included the Content-Disposition header, but it explicitly set all of the images as "attachment" which, as I understand the RFC, means that none of them should be rendered in- line. That message had been created as HTML/Plain text format. So, I tried one with HTML only format instead. This time, TB! didn't use the Content-Disposition headers at all. I guess it is time to copy these messages into RIT's bug tracker database. -- Steve Vallière | tb 3.99.8 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML Images wrong?
When I send HTML formatted messages containing embedded images to friends, especially (but not limited to) friends using Thunderbird, they see all of the HTML text and a collection of attachments. They don't even see markers where a missing graphic belongs, as is normally done when an image cannot be loaded. Interestingly, when I sent the same message to my GMail account and then forwarded it from there, Thunderbird displays the message correctly. So Google fixed the problem. By using Thunderbird's "View Message Source" command (I wish I could find /that/ in The BAT!), I compared the original message from The Bat! and the one from GMail... It appears that the primary difference is that The Bat! is not including the "Content-Disposition: inline" header field with the images (RFC-1806). Since the header is optional, I'm sure that RIT will (rightly) blame Thunderbird, but it seems like it might not be an impossible thing to correct... Also, RFC-1806 states that any unrecognized content disposition should be treated as "attachment". To me, that means that any program the displays mail and uses RFC-1806 will consider a /missing/ content disposition as "attachment" -- despite The BAT!'s apparent hopes otherwise. FWIW, RoadRunner web mail display the original from TB! correctly, but when it forwarded the message it added "Content-Disposition: attachment" to each of the images. -- Steve Vallière | tb 3.99.8 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen." -Larry Zana Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
