Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 4:07:42 AM Thomas [TF] wrote: TF One little remark: I first forgot to delete the last }. Of course TF this meant unbalanced brackets and caused an error when opening TB. TF The effect was that TB didn't open but (after the splash screen) TF Windows suggested I should send an error message to MicroSoft. Just TF saying, this kind of runtime error should be checked by TB, even TF though it wouldn't usually happen. Thanks. Another one. I thought I'm the only one who does not understand the necessity of an AV at in this case. I already asked for more tolerance in this situation in June :-/ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) God, forgive my little jokes on thee, and I'll forgive thy great big one on me. Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hallo Jay, On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:06:02 +0300GMT (27-7-2005, 7:06 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AY What I mean to say is that in 3.51.10 - and maybe in some earlier AY versions - I go to my Tools menu and see at the bottom an arrow that AY is unnamed (Voldemort?) pointing to a submenu that is empty and goes AY nowhere. Here are the contents of my tools menu, what are missing? Address Book Search Smartbat Scheduler Mail Chat - Export messages to arrow Import messages arrow - Backup Restore Synchronize - Privacy arrow OpenPGP arrow - Get new mail for all Send Queued mail for all Send + Check mail for all This is the not edited tools menu -- Groetjes, Roelof Water floats a ship...Water sinks a ship. Old Chinese Proverb The Bat! 3.51.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpyOdOgis3N2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
On 7/27/05, Roelof Otten wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:06:02 +0300GMT (27-7-2005, 7:06 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AY What I mean to say is that in 3.51.10 - and maybe in some earlier AY versions - I go to my Tools menu and see at the bottom an arrow that AY is unnamed (Voldemort?) pointing to a submenu that is empty and goes AY nowhere. Here are the contents of my tools menu, what are missing? Address Book Search Smartbat Scheduler Mail Chat - Export messages to arrow Import messages arrow - Backup Restore Synchronize - Privacy arrow OpenPGP arrow - Get new mail for all Send Queued mail for all Send + Check mail for all This is the not edited tools menu Mine is also not an edited Tools menu. Never did any customization. But what I am missing is what used to be at the bottom and is still visible as a ghostly remnant - the Wizards. See my attached gif. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.51.10 ToolsMenu.gif Description: GIF image Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Jay, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 4:05:30 AM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: JW Mine is also not an edited Tools menu. Never did any customization. JW But what I am missing is what used to be at the bottom and is still JW visible as a ghostly remnant - the Wizards. See my attached gif. I had the same problem. As Mary Bull indicated, this was fixed in the latest version (3.51.10) mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], but apparently (by my observation) some tbuuser.defs have become corrupted. I will repeat what I just posted under the topic RARed betas reset Menu shortcuts: I tried to modify a few Menu shortcuts and I ended up with multiple blank spots in my menus. I tried several times with the same result after hitting reset on the menu bar. Resolved: I had to delete my tbuser.def and allow it to be recreated. Then I could modify it as it normally should. Apparently somewhere along the line my tbuser.def got corrupted. Perhaps this explains a part of the anomalies I was experiencing. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Wayne, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 5:14:08 AM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: WH I had the same problem. As Mary Bull indicated, this was fixed in the WH latest version (3.51.10) mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], but WH apparently (by my observation) some tbuuser.defs have become WH corrupted. I will repeat what I just posted under the topic RARed WH betas reset Menu shortcuts Further thought, I wonder if having a corrupted tbuser.def has anything to do with the memory leak problems some of user were experiencing! I noticed my shortcut modifications missing/blank menu items at about the same time that I noticed the growing TB memory usage problem. I will keep an eye on TB and see if it's memory footprint continues to grow now that I deleted my tbuser.def and started with a newly created one. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Wayne, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 5:14:08 AM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: WH Resolved: I had to delete my tbuser.def and allow it to be recreated. WH Then I could modify it as it normally should. Apparently somewhere WH along the line my tbuser.def got corrupted. Perhaps this explains a WH part of the anomalies I was experiencing. I should also have said that you should backup your existing tbuser.def first. You will lose any modifications that you have made that are stored here. However, for me, remaking the few modifications I had was well worth it! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
On 7/27/05, Wayne Howard wrote: I should also have said that you should backup your existing tbuser.def first. You will lose any modifications that you have made that are stored here. However, for me, remaking the few modifications I had was well worth it! Recreating the tbuser.def file resolves the issue, but how many settings will I have to restore now? I seem to recall that a similar problem was resolved once before without forcing users to recreate their tbuser.def file. Furthermore, how did my tbuser.def file get corrupted? Presumably it happened when I tested OTFE by backing up and restoring in the effort to migrate. So somewhere, there is a process in TB that is corrupting this file. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.51.10 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Jay, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 6:24:50 AM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: JW Recreating the tbuser.def file resolves the issue, but how many JW settings will I have to restore now? I seem to recall that a similar JW problem was resolved once before without forcing users to recreate JW their tbuser.def file. It all depends on how many you created. I am not aware of all that it contains. I also discovered that it stores the theme information. JW Furthermore, how did my tbuser.def file get corrupted? Presumably JW it happened when I tested OTFE by backing up and restoring in the JW effort to migrate. So somewhere, there is a process in TB that is JW corrupting this file. I am the wrong person to ask. I discovered this on my own, with some help from Mary. As far as it being corrupted, that is my speculation. It could very well be that it simply has outmoded or superfluous entries. Look at it in notepad. It contains a lot of information! According to the repair listing I just mentioned, it was not being updated properly, so it would make sense that there several users with tbuser.def files that are corrupted or otherwise problematic. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
On 7/27/05, Wayne Howard wrote: I am the wrong person to ask. I discovered this on my own, with some help from Mary. As far as it being corrupted, that is my speculation. It could very well be that it simply has outmoded or superfluous entries. Look at it in notepad. It contains a lot of information! Yes, but that means that the cleanup is not taking place correctly with new versions. Anyway, thanks for helping to track down the problem, Wayne. I think that there is a bug here that RL must fix, but I imagine that the bug has already been reported in numerous places. So the only question that remains is: When will RL bring back the wizards to this muggled bat? -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.51.10 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
On Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 4:14:08 AM [GMT -0500], Wayne Howard wrote: Resolved: I had to delete my tbuser.def and allow it to be recreated. Then I could modify it as it normally should. Apparently somewhere along the line my tbuser.def got corrupted. Perhaps this explains a part of the anomalies I was experiencing. The tbuser.def files seem to be quite prone to corruption. I guess that's testimony to how they're being changed as you customise. Mine was completely corrupted at one point and was the source of many AV's. I had to delete it and start clean. My current one already has a slight corruption, but I'm getting by without having to start clean yet again. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.10 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- (A)bort, (R)etry, (P)anic? Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
On Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 6:11:56 AM [GMT -0500], Jay Walker wrote: Anyway, thanks for helping to track down the problem, Wayne. I think that there is a bug here that RL must fix, but I imagine that the bug has already been reported in numerous places. So the only question that remains is: When will RL bring back the wizards to this muggled bat? One way to assist with this debugging is to submit the problem tbuser.def file for examination. They should be able to see where the problem is and hence how and when the corruption occurred. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.10 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Political panjandrums prologize pedantic paronomasia. Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Jay, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 7:11:56 AM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: JW Anyway, thanks for helping to track down the problem, Wayne. I think JW that there is a bug here that RL must fix, but I imagine that the bug JW has already been reported in numerous places. So the only question JW that remains is: When will RL bring back the wizards to this muggled JW bat? It has. As I mentioned in my first post to you, see the following: this was fixed in the latest version (3.51.10) mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I don't think the fix fixes tbuser.defs that are already corrupted/maligned. The fix prevents it from happening in the first place - or at least that's how I understand it. If I am wrong, gurus please speak up! :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello -=Curtis=-, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 7:38:38 AM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: C AV's What is an AV? -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Wayne, On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0400 GMT (27/07/2005, 20:09 +0700 GMT), Wayne Howard wrote: WH It has. As I mentioned in my first post to you, see the following: WH this was fixed in the latest version (3.51.10) WH mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I don't think the fix WH fixes tbuser.defs that are already corrupted/maligned. The fix WH prevents it from happening in the first place - or at least that's how WH I understand it. Probably. I see the same empty menu item as you. But I am not willing to delete my tbuser.def file, because I don't know what I will have to reconfigure. What's the way out? -- Cheers, Thomas. Our parents were never our age. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Thomas, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 1:11:17 PM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: TF Probably. I see the same empty menu item as you. But I am not willing TF to delete my tbuser.def file, because I don't know what I will have to TF reconfigure. TF What's the way out? I told you all I know about it. I am very much a novice using TB. Only recently did I start to dive in to some of the more advanced features. I did not have a lot of customization, so I simply deleted tbuser.def and allowed TB to recreate it upon restart. I then added the few configuration changes back. It's nice to have things working normally again! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Marek,
On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 1:40:44 PM, you wrote
re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat:
MM - delete part from tbuser.def manually:
MM close TB
MM open tbuser.def
MM find following part:
hr
container item [MailerForm].[mWizards]
{
item [MailerForm].[Wizards]
hr
item [MailerForm].[mwDownloadWizards]
}
MM delete it
What does this part of your explanation do?
Thanks!
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Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello all,
Wednesday, July 27, 2005, Wayne Howard wrote:
MM - delete part from tbuser.def manually:
MM close TB
MM open tbuser.def
MM find following part:
hr
container item [MailerForm].[mWizards]
{
item [MailerForm].[Wizards]
hr
item [MailerForm].[mwDownloadWizards]
}
MM delete it
What does this part of your explanation do?
removes unused Wizards items from main menu Tools, TB displays
what it finds in tbuser.def or in def file included in thebat.exe.
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Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Marek, On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 2:15:26 PM, you wrote re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat: What does this part of your explanation do? MM removes unused Wizards items from main menu Tools, TB displays MM what it finds in tbuser.def or in def file included in thebat.exe. I guess I didn't follow that because I don't recall the Wizards. Thanks! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Marek Mikus everyone else,
on 27-Jul-2005 at 19:40 you (Marek Mikus) wrote:
find following part:
hr
container item [MailerForm].[mWizards]
{
item [MailerForm].[Wizards]
hr
item [MailerForm].[mwDownloadWizards]
}
delete it
This is still too complicated for my taste. I'd like to have a WYSIWYG
editor for the GUI that allows me to arrange the items with my mouse or
keyboard, you could say Opera style...
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Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello all,
Wednesday, July 27, 2005, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
find following part:
hr
container item [MailerForm].[mWizards]
{
item [MailerForm].[Wizards]
hr
item [MailerForm].[mwDownloadWizards]
}
delete it
This is still too complicated for my taste. I'd like to have a WYSIWYG
editor for the GUI that allows me to arrange the items with my mouse or
keyboard, you could say Opera style...
there is a customiser available, where You can use Hidden item, but
current version doesn't allow to hide group, only items can be hided.
AFAIK this will be fixed, group will be hided automatically, when all
sub-items are hided manually.
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Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Wayne! On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 1:35 PM, you wrote: What does this part of your explanation do? MM removes unused Wizards items from main menu Tools, TB displays MM what it finds in tbuser.def or in def file included in thebat.exe. I guess I didn't follow that because I don't recall the Wizards. Thanks! They were before you were on this list, a beta even before the Customiser interface series. Made possible an alternative way to make a filter. Probably it's envisioned to have a whole series of them down the road (just guessing from posts I've read) but the item is off the menu for now, unless conserved by someone who has been installing The Bat! over whatever is his/her current installation. I didn't really like them. I liked the NFS (sorting office) system better. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello all, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, Dick Hoogendoorn wrote: Uuhhh...any hints how I can achieve this when I'm using OTFE, i.e. having a tbuser.EEF file rather than a tbuser.def? maybe there is another solution. Open Customiser, select Main menu container, select Tools menu item and check, what is last item in it. If Wizards, click to it and then use green left arrow icon for removing it. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 Muggle Bat
Hello Marek,
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:40:44 +0200 GMT (28/07/2005, 00:40 +0700 GMT),
Marek Mikus wrote:
MM But if was tbuser.def created by old betaversion with this item
MM included, it can't be automatically hided by new build, current
MM version can't delete only part of tbuser.def.
MM Now You have more ways to solve this:
MM - delete part from tbuser.def manually:
MM close TB
MM open tbuser.def
MM find following part:
hr
container item [MailerForm].[mWizards]
{
item [MailerForm].[Wizards]
hr
item [MailerForm].[mwDownloadWizards]
}
MM delete it
Instead of item [MailerForm].[mwDownloadWizards] I had another
hr there. Anyway, deleted the part and my meny now looks fine!
Thanks.
One little remark: I first forgot to delete the last }. Of course
this meant unbalanced brackets and caused an error when opening TB.
The effect was that TB didn't open but (after the splash screen)
Windows suggested I should send an error message to MicroSoft. Just
saying, this kind of runtime error should be checked by TB, even
though it wouldn't usually happen.
MM Enjoy :-)
Doing so greatly. :-)
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