Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?

2000-08-19 Thread Aaron Gravvat

Hello Gold,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on Friday, August 18, 2000, didn't you say?:

GG Hello Aaron and everyone else...

AG   What I'd really like to be ablt to do is have the cursor start on
AG   the subject line for mailing list folders, like this one, with the
AG   To: field already filled in. I got the TO: field part with a macro
AG   but the cursor still starts on the TO: line, and I never CC anyone
AG   when I reply or post to a list.

GG Perhaps you'd be happier disabling CC: view, only re-enabling it when
GG you have a specific use for it?

Great! Figured that out finally. Now, is there any way to get the
cursor to start on the subject line for folders where the To: is
always going to be the same?


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moving folders

2000-08-19 Thread Daniel Friedmann

Hello,

how can I move folders into another folder and how do I sort my tree
individually?
I wasn't able to drag folders to another location like Explorer.

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Re: moving folders

2000-08-19 Thread Arno van Stralen

Hi Daniel,

Saturday, August 19, 2000, 10:20:48 AM, you wrote:

Daniel how can I move folders into another folder and

You can move folders by calling their properties (rightclick a folder
or hit ALT+ENTER when it's activated) and subsequentially alter the
path of that folder by pressing the little question mark button.

Daniel  how do I sort my tree
Daniel individually?

I don't understand what you mean with individual sorting. You can
simply sort the folders in alphabetical order by pressing the Folder
"tab".

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Re: Strange things when replying

2000-08-19 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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ML I'm moving tomorrow and won't have Internet access for about a
ML week. It's what it takes to get cable modem access here, and it
ML takes even longer, much longer, to get ADSL. :( So, see you next
ML weekend.

We'll miss ya! Hope the move goes well, Ming-li.

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Re: moving folders

2000-08-19 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Daniel,

On 19 August 2000 at 10:20:48 GMT +0200 (which was 09:20 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "moving folders":

DF how can I move folders into another folder and how do I sort my tree
DF individually?

Use   Alt-Drag   to  move  a  folder  within  the  hierarchy  and  use
Ctrl-Alt-Drag  to move a folder *into* another folder and increase the
nesting.

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Account folder window?

2000-08-19 Thread ztrader

I am sorting mail into many folders. They appear in the accounts folder
in  what  seems  to be the order in which they were created. I
would  like  to  have  them  in  a  different  order,  not necessarily
alphabetical.

Is there a way to change the order in which they are displayed in the
window?

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Re: Account folder window?

2000-08-19 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi ztrader,

On 19 August 2000 at 07:52:30 GMT -0700 (which was 15:52 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Account folder window?":

z I am sorting mail into many folders. They appear in the accounts
z folder in what seems to be the order in which they were created. I
z would like to have them in a different order, not necessarily
z alphabetical.

z Is there a way to change the order in which they are displayed in
z the window?

I wrote the answer to this question only a few hours ago :-):

 Use  Alt-Drag  to  move  a  folder  within  the  hierarchy  and  use
 Ctrl-Alt-Drag  to  move  a folder *into* another folder and increase
 the nesting.

There  is  an archive for this list which is detailed below. Many FAQs
appear there and on the TBUDL FAQ itself.

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Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?

2000-08-19 Thread Gold Gaurami

Hello Aaron and everyone else...

AG Great! Figured that out finally. Now, is there any way to get the
AG cursor to start on the subject line for folders where the To: is
AG always going to be the same?

Well, no. But if you reply to a message rather than creating a new
one, the cursor begins in the document at the point of the %cursor
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Re[2]: Account folder window?

2000-08-19 Thread ztrader

Hello Marck,

Saturday, August 19, 2000, 8:06:10 AM, you wrote:

MDP I wrote the answer to this question only a few hours ago :-):

 Use  Alt-Drag  to  move  a  folder  within  the  hierarchy  and  use
 Ctrl-Alt-Drag  to  move  a folder *into* another folder and increase
 the nesting.

Looks like I joined the list a few hours too late :-) :-).

Thanks -
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Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?

2000-08-19 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Gold,

On 19 August 2000 at 08:13:19 GMT -0700 (which was 16:13 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?":

AG Great! Figured that out finally. Now, is there any way to get the
AG cursor  to start on the subject line for folders where the To: is
AG always going to be the same?

GG Well, no. But if you reply to a message rather than creating a new
GG one, the cursor begins in the document at the point of the %cursor
GG macro.

Having  said  that  (and  it  is  true)  beware  the  "References" and
"In-reply-to" headers which contain threading information for replies.
This can lead to unrelated issues becoming threaded together.

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Threading not always correct? (was Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?)

2000-08-19 Thread Gold Gaurami

Hello Marck and everyone else...

MDP Having  said  that  (and  it  is  true)  beware  the  "References" and
MDP "In-reply-to" headers which contain threading information for replies.
MDP This can lead to unrelated issues becoming threaded together.

I've noticed totally unrelated subjects get threaded together, and I'm
never sure if the sender used a reply function rather than creating a
new message, or if either TB or TBUDL is not processing the references
properly. Can anyone provide an explanation?

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Re: Threading not always correct?

2000-08-19 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Gold,

On 19 August 2000 at 11:22:07 GMT -0700 (which was 19:22 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Threading not always correct? (was Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using 
tab from the TO: field?)":

MDP Having  said  that  (and  it  is  true)  beware  the  "References" and
MDP "In-reply-to" headers which contain threading information for replies.
MDP This can lead to unrelated issues becoming threaded together.

GG I've noticed totally unrelated subjects get threaded together, and
GG I'm never sure if the sender used a reply function rather than
GG creating a new message, or if either TB or TBUDL is not processing
GG the references properly. Can anyone provide an explanation?

The  explanation  runs  as follows: every message is assigned a unique
Id.  For  instance,  the  message  you  just sent has the following id
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   My  reply  includes  the  header
"In-reply-To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and this Id is also
added to the end of the string of Ids in the "References" header.

TB uses References and In-reply-To to calculate any message's position
in the threading hierarchy.

If  someone  decides  to  start a new topic by replying to an existing
message  in the thread, that reply is placed in the "correct" threaded
position  by TB on receipt. This is not the desired outcome. The error
is  that  of  the  originator  of  the message, who should have either
issued   a   "New"   message  or  edited  out  the  "In-reply-To"  and
"References" headers before sending the response.

The  UDL  server  knows absolutely *nothing* of such issues and has no
bearing on threading whatsoever.

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Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:09:39 -0700, Gold Gaurami wrote:

AG What I'd really like to be ablt to do is have the cursor start on
AG the subject line for mailing list folders, like this one, with the
AG To: field already filled in. I got the TO: field part with a macro
AG but the cursor still starts on the TO: line, and I never CC anyone
AG when I reply or post to a list.

GG Perhaps you'd be happier disabling CC: view, only re-enabling it
GG when you have a specific use for it?

That is potentially dangerous especially for those who use the %To
macro at the folder level. Messages may be inadvertently CC'd to an
additional address. It's good practice to have both fields in view and
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Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:28:55 -0700, Aaron Gravvat wrote:

GG Perhaps you'd be happier disabling CC: view, only re-enabling it
GG when you have a specific use for it?

AG Great! Figured that out finally. Now, is there any way to get the
AG cursor to start on the subject line for folders where the To: is
AG always going to be the same?

No. There was a heated discussion about a point similar to this, deep in
TBUDL history, the contention being that the cursor should placed
exactly where the user defines it in the templates, instead of appearing
in the To: field when composing new messages. There was one camp who
felt it was logical that the cursor be initially placed in the To: field
since mail is composed in an orderly manner with the user filling out
the header info in a stepwise fashion and then finally typing the
message. When presented with an argument as yours, the refute was that
the application should not assume that you've filled in all the To:
header information and that the user may have the desire to add
additional addresses. The other school thought this was a baloney
argument and that the cursor should be placed where the user specifies.
Afterall, it's the user who's in charge right? I'm of the latter school.
BTW. :-) The counter to this argument was that, yes, the cursor is
placed where you want it to after you've dealt with the headers in a
logical orderly fashion. :-)

Anyway, the whole discussion which culminated in an argument got us
nowhere. We're still at this juncture today.

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Re: read messages filter

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:42:25 -0400, Alan Cummings wrote:

AC I'm trying to create a filter that will set a messages colour group to
AC a specified colour if it is older than 4 days old.

AC I created a filter under "Read Messages" and select for the rule to
AC be manual only. Under "Actions" i selected 'Set message colour group
AC to' and chose my colour group, then under "Advanced" i selected
AC 'Message is older than' and entered 4. I also entered a hotkey
AC shortcut under "Options".

Under the hotkey defining dialog there is another option labelled '
Check the selected message against this rule'. This option toggles
whether or not a string match is carried out during application of the
filter rule. If enabled, the rule will check for a string match and
apply the filter. A side effect of this is that the message will also be
moved to the destination folder specified. Unchecking the option will
prevent a string match and the filter actions will be applied to all
messages selected.

AC The problem I'm having is that every message i run this filter on
AC gets highlighted by the chosen colour group, whether or not it meets
AC the criteria or not, any ideas on what i am doing wrong?

My guess is that you have 'Check the selected message against this rule'
disabled. You need to enabled it.

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Re: Editor and address book

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:14:50 +0400, Drunin wrote:

D replying to the person, I decided to modify this person' reply
D template. I was not able to do this through the address book icon on
D the right of the To field. Is it supposed to be used only for adding
D message recipients from the address book and not for editing address
D book entries?

That's right.

D If so, I think that possibility to access address book entry of the
D recipient of the message being edited would be a nice feature.

I guess. shrug :-) I've never personally felt a need for it.

D Another question. Supposing I have a message under cursor, what is
D the most simple way to lookup sender' address book entry, if any? I
D don't want to launch address book and search in it.

Use the address auto-view. Hit SHIFTCTRLO or go to View | Address
Autoview.

D It also would be nice to pop up AB entry upon address book "Add
D sender"/"Delete sender's entry" operations in Special menu.

That would have to be optional. I'd go nuts with the address book
popping up each time I added an address in that fashion.

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Re: Strange things when replying

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

ML What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
ML it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
ML quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
ML quoted text.

This never happens to me. I have %cursor before %quote in all my
templates and the cursor is always positioned in front of the quotes. In
fact when I manipulate the cursor position via the macro, it is placed
exactly as expected.

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Re: Strange things when replying

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:13:17 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :)

:-) I realised that the only difference between your setup without the
%cursor macro  and my setup with the %cursor macro is that my cursor is
placed after the introduction and before the quotation. Since I didn't
have any problems I assumed that it may be the insertion of the cursor
*after* the quotation may be the problem.

JAL Bingo!...why?

So my assumption was right. :-) I'm not sure why and I think that this
may be related to that bug also where deleting blocks of text in the
editor may lead to loss of the vertical scroll-bar.

The plot thickens, now that I've tried reproducing your problem and
can't.  :-/

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Template question -- replies

2000-08-19 Thread Katsmeow

Hi

I posted this the other day and got no replies so will try again with
it somewhat reworded in case the query was not clear.

I subscribe to a number of mailing lists such as this list where the
default is for replies to messages to go to the list address.  On a
couple of these lists, I never (or very rarely) want my reply to go
the list. Instead, I want the replies to go only to the individual who
posted the message. Is there any sort of macro I can place in my reply
template so that the reply is automatically sent to the individual who
posted the message and not to the list?

If not (or also), is there any way to insert a quick template in the
reply as you are writing it to achieve this same purpose?

  

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Re: Template question -- replies

2000-08-19 Thread Juergen Frisch

 Sunday, August 20, 2000, 03:38, Katsmeow wrote:

 Is there any sort of macro I can place in my reply template so that
 the reply is automatically sent to the individual who posted the
 message and not to the list?

Hello Katsmeow,

   try this:

   %TO=""%TO="%OFROMADDR"

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Re: Template question -- replies

2000-08-19 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Katsmeow,

On 20 August 2000 at 20:38:29 GMT -0500 (which was 02:38 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Template question -- replies":

K I  posted  this  the other day and got no replies so will try again
K with it somewhat reworded in case the query was not clear.

Well, I replied .. and saw it come back out of the list.

K I subscribe to a number of mailing lists such as this list where
K the default is for replies to messages to go to the list address.
K On a couple of these lists, I never (or very rarely) want my reply
K to go the list. Instead, I want the replies to go only to the
K individual who posted the message. Is there any sort of macro I can
K place in my reply template so that the reply is automatically sent
K to the individual who posted the message and not to the list?

Here's what I said before:

MDP Hmm.  I  use  Ctrl-F4  to  write  to  the  author  instead of the
MDP originating list. Perhaps it is a matter of getting used to doing
MDP that.

I  went  on  with some guesses which I have now researched for you and
will change to the more definitive response:

You  can  also use the %OFRAMADDR macro which does what you're looking
for.

K If  not  (or  also), is there any way to insert a quick template in
K the reply as you are writing it to achieve this same purpose?

The string %TO=""%TO="""%OFROMNAME"" %OFROMADDR" will do the job for
you. You can place this in a Quick template (call it "TT" for the sake
of  this  example) to try it out. You can then use %QINCLUDE="TT" in a
normal  template  whenever  you  want  to  employ it and never have to
re-write it.

HTH

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Internal Mail for Office

2000-08-19 Thread Jason

Hello TBUDL,

  Is this possible?

  Here's the short scenario:
  The boss wants the staff to have e-mail but not to the outside
  world. The boss wants to be the e-mail link to the outside world.
  The staff uses a different computer each day.

  Here's the long scenario:
  I would like to use the bat for an internal mail system, on a Novell
  Netware server. I would like the entire office to be able to use one
  installed copy of the bat with their own mail being stored in
  private directories. (a fleeting thought!, how will this work with
  local delivery? If the bat cannot get to the other directories?)

  From what I have read, there needs to be one copy of the bat setup as
  the server, so this means it needs to be running all the time. There
  is no place to do this.

  I have multiple people using the same PCs, there may be 6 or 7
  people using one pc and some people may use a different PC every
  day. So this needs to be centralized. So it doesn't matter which PC
  the person sits at.

  The G:\ drive is common for everyone, the executable could go there.
  The U:\ drive is a mapped drive letter to a personal directory,
  this is where the mail directory should be.  U:\ maps to the login
  name so U:\ is the same no matter which PC you log in from.

  The only thing I can think of is to install a POP/SMTP server on the
  Netware server.  Am I right?

  Also, How would I lock down the settings on the installed copy of
  TheBat! at each workstation so I can guarantee that the interface
  will be the same no matter where you sit.

  Any guidance would be appreciated, Also, one more factor: The
  supervisor (using the bat) needs to be able to get mail from the
  outside world and forward it to the inside world. :)


  
  

  

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Use of Quick Templates?

2000-08-19 Thread Nick Andriash

On the PGP-Basics List, Marck gave us an example of a Quick Template he
uses to strip PGP signatures from replies:

MDP %quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(.*^-BEGIN PGP
MDP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP
MDP SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

 In his own words:

 I implement it as a Quick Template called REQ and then use
 %QINCLUDE="REQ" whenever I want to use it in a main template.

Under Options/Quick Templates, I have created a new Template, aptly named
"PGP", but I don't understand how I can access that QT via the Macro
entries in my Reply Template. I see no Macro called %QINCLUDE, and if I
choose "Insert QT", I am asked to select which folder the QT template is
located, and it seem it has to be in a text format.


Nick


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Re: Template question -- replies

2000-08-19 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:17:16 -0700, Bubba wrote:

JF Hello Katsmeow,

JFtry this:

JF%TO=""%TO="%OFROMADDR"

B Where do you insert this macro within the reply template?

At the end, so that it doesn't interfere with the formatting of your
other template components. As a general rule, place all macros which
don't insert information in the message body at the end of the message.

One notable exception is the %quotestyle macro which should precede the
%quotes template.

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Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?

2000-08-19 Thread Gold Gaurami

Hello A and everyone else...

ACM That is potentially dangerous especially for those who use the %To
ACM macro at the folder level. Messages may be inadvertently CC'd to an
ACM additional address. It's good practice to have both fields in view and
ACM check them prior to each mail send.


Oh? I can't understand how this would happen. Under which
circumstances would it occur?

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Re: Use of Quick Templates?

2000-08-19 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Nick,


On  Saturday, August 19, 2000  at  11:47:17 GMT -0700 (which was 11:47 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 I implement it as a Quick Template called REQ and then use
 %QINCLUDE="REQ" whenever I want to use it in a main template.

 Under Options/Quick Templates, I have created a new Template, aptly named
 "PGP", but I don't understand how I can access that QT via the Macro
 entries in my Reply Template. I see no Macro called %QINCLUDE, and if I
 choose "Insert QT", I am asked to select which folder the QT template is
 located, and it seem it has to be in a text format.

 I don't know about the menus, but typing in %QInclude="PGP" will
 work.  Try is and see how it goes.

 By the way, if you want to use a quick template across accounts, the
 procedure is exactly the same.  Even though the template is not
 listed in the other accounts' quick templates, you can access it
 using the original handle.
 


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Re[2]: Template question -- replies

2000-08-19 Thread katsmeow



K I  posted  this  the other day and got no replies so will try again
K with it somewhat reworded in case the query was not clear.

 Well, I replied .. and saw it come back out of the list.

Well...hmm... I am looking at my message and see no replies (I thread
using Alt-2 on this list).  Maybe I accidentally deleted it wihtout
reading it or realizing it.  Thanks for posting again.

MDP Hmm.  I  use  Ctrl-F4  to  write  to  the  author  instead of the
MDP originating list. Perhaps it is a matter of getting used to doing
MDP that.

Well, to be honest, I didn't know you could do that.  I'm not using to
a mail program that can do that.  However, I've now tried it and for
my hands find it awkward so still like having the macro.


 The string %TO=""%TO="""%OFROMNAME"" %OFROMADDR" will do the job for
 you. You can place this in a Quick template (call it "TT" for the sake
 of  this  example) to try it out. You can then use %QINCLUDE="TT" in a
 normal  template  whenever  you  want  to  employ it and never have to
 re-write it.

Thanks now a couple of more.

Lets say I set up my reply stationary to always reply to a list to the
individual sender. I have a couple of lists I am where sending a reply
mistakenly to a list is *not* something I ever want to do again (after
mistakenly sending personal information publicly that I meant to send
privately).  So, I want my personal default, so to speak, to go to the
individual.  However, I occasionally want to reply to the list but
select that as I am writing the message.  Having set up the reply
template to reply to the individual, what do I use as a quick template
to change the particular message to go to the list?

And also the converse.  I am on a couple of lists where the default is
to send messages to the individual.  Of course, I know I can hit reply
all and the reply will go to the individual and to the list.  Is there
a way to send up a template whereby the replies automatically (or by
use of a quick template inserted in the reply) goes only to the list
and not the individual?




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