Re[2]: Backing up address book
Hello Melissa, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 1:38:53 AM, you wrote: MR - From the Tools menu, select Backup, then choose Address MR Books The Choose button will allow you to choose which address MR book(s) you wish to back up. MR Melissa DOH !!!missed it completely. Thanks -- Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
Hi, Richard Evans wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I thought .msg was an internet standard ? No, Internet standards and file name extensions are not connected. Yet, the file's contents should follow the 'standard' RFC-822 (and related RFCs). if not any ideas about how to forward html mails to outlook users in one piece ? Perhaps this works: save the original message as .EML and attach that file to a new message which you'd sent to your recipient. When the Bat saves a file as EML _or_ MSG the content is the same. It is just that other mail programs are pickier about the file name extension. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Hello Mean,
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 4:56:49 AM you [MD] wrote (at least
in part):
So I, as postmaster, would be receiving bounce messages from users who
have been spoofing my return address and routing? That'll get them
kicked off the system as fast as I can dig up my logs.
With the number of bounced messages on the net, do you really think
that the postmaster address is going to be monitored
Definitely yes! RFCs not only recommend, but require postmaster@ being
a active and read address per domain.
and someone is going to make a living of studying bounced messages
Yes. It might be a male function in mail server if a message bounces.
With routine you get used to 'misaddressed' messages and learn to
recognize them quickly, but nevertheless every single mail in
postmasters mailbox is inspected by myself.
and finding out if it was a spoofed email addy that caused it.
If I stumble over a mail that was bounced because the address does
not exist in the domain I'm responsible for I do have a look if this
is true. If the address does not exist further bounces, telling about
the same address are deleted.
If the address exists, but the bounce says No I dig, WHY the message
was bounced.
Figuring out the spoofing is child's play, as the headers let easily
guess _who exactly_ sent the bounce.
No one has taken Mailwasher to court...I guess when it comes to
fighting spam, a little flexibility is expected.
I'm sorry for being forced to disillusionate you, but this faking
bounces ain't fighting spam even in the slightest way. It has
nothing in common with any successful spam fighting technology, the
effect of bounces and faked bounces on amount of spam is near to zero,
not measurable.
If you want flexibility in fighting spam make use of RBLs and systems
like SpamAssassin (like!!! there might be others that work in a
similar fashion. I don't want to break it down on SA being the
one!).
Flexibility too is a patch I applied for example to qmail, that allows
to deny mails from and to addresses specified by regular expressions.
I do get a lot of spam on one domain I'm technically responsible for
on addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Denying mails to support\d+@ on SMTP level decreases the amount a
lot. THAT is flexible, not annoying innocent postmasters (especially
the one from your own ISP!) by filling their inbox with those
ineffective doublebounces ('double' because in 99% your bounce will
bounce itself and the so called double bounce will end up in
postmasters mailbox).
I'm in a lucky position: if one of our customers would come to the
idea to use a system like Mailwasher for creating faked bounces I'd
phone him, please him to stop this stupid behavior and if he don't I'd
forward _every single_ double bounce to his mailboxes. ISP might not
be able to do so, because of to many different customers.
But there the problem is located: ISP can't direct the double bounces
to the originator and they can't fire all customers. So the result is:
postmaster@ _will_ become read less and lesser. You might think: who
cares? I, and many others, do. THIS is one of the _really few_
addresses you (yet) can be sure to reach somebody in case of a
technical problem with the MTA. As time goes by and this mailbox is
more and more unread or feeded to /dev/null it get's unusable. So
where to direct a problem to, if you're no customer, but only
recognize a problem between your MTA and the other one?
So all you reach with these dubious practice is lowering the quality
of technical background of the Internet:
1.) waste of bandwidth
- I know you're bounces aren't big, but sum them _all_ up. It will
make a significant amount of traffic.
2.) decrease of read postmaster mailboxes, which will earlier or later
significantly cumber solving of problems, because of an artificial
barrier for contacting a technical responsible.
--
Regards
Peter Palmreuther
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Re: Bounce Mail
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 10:07:00 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote: I'm sorry for being forced to disillusionate you, but this faking bounces ain't fighting spam even in the slightest way. It has nothing in common with any successful spam fighting technology, the effect of bounces and faked bounces on amount of spam is near to zero, not measurable. I wondered about this too. Does the production of spoofed bounce messages reduce the levels of spam any more that just deleting it? I guess that the senders of spam get *lots* of bounce messages, so I am not sure they are going to bother to remove the email addresses that generate bounces. The email addresses that they are most interested in are those that are verified by a response from the owner, because they can be sold as live, and I doubt they could care less about anything else. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marking messages as Read when replied.
Hello Daniel,
Sorry for my late reply, Sunday ends around mid night here ;-)
MAU Hmmm, you got me in spending part of a rainy a dark Sunday
MAU afternoon looking at PowerPro.
i do apologise for getting you hooked :)
Don't apologize, I'm easy to get hooked on this type of things :-)
was about to ask WTF is a MID, until i looked at the headers and
found 'Message-ID', it all become abundantly clear from that :-)
And I was about to ask WTF does WTF mean, but I guess I just guessed
it :-)
are you using the QT to extract the MID?, i mean how does the QT
run?
Easy, but that will cost you another beer ;-)
I have called the QT GMID, and it is only:
,- [ GMID ]
| %OMSGID
| %cursor
`-
The real trick is on how to use it. When I start recording the
PowerPro macro I assume I am already on the root message of the thread
I want to Ignore (I have selected it on the Message list pane), and
the steps I record are as follows:
1.- Hit Ctrl+Enter
This opens a reply to the root message with my standard reply
template that leaves the cursor in the message body.
2.- Hit Ctrl+A
This selects whole message body.
3.- Hit Del
Guess what! ;-)
4.- Type the name of the QT, in my case GMID.
5.- Hit Ctrl+Space
To execute the QT. And, voila!, the MID appears as the first line
of the message body and the cursor is placed, left justified,
right under it. So...
6.- Hit UpArrow
To move cursor up.
7.- Hit Shift+End
To select the whole line (MID)
8.- Hit Ctrl+C
Copy to clipboard.
9.- Hit Alt+M
To select the Message menu in the editor window.
10.- Hit C
To Cancel and exit the reply message.
And I believe you know how to proceed from here, once you have the MID
in the clipboard. :-)
snipped a bit
Anyway, so i initially was tabbing twice, and than {left}ing back...
but than i found I could alt{right} which only sometimes worked... it
turns out, that you can't use {alt}{right} but you must use the alt
character, %{right}
anyway, this is what I use to add the clipboard contents to a new set
%a^v%{right}%{down}{down}{down}{down}{down}{down}{enter}%c
which adds a net set, pastes the clipboard, changes location to
kludges and closes the sorting office dialog... hope this gets it to
100% :)
I will certainly try later, maybe tonight.
Thank you.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: Bounce Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Mark, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:24:29 -0800 your time, you said: MW Are you suggesting that there is a way to prevent Mailwasher from doing MW this? No, I wasn't suggesting it, but as the question has been asked, yes, you can easily prevent Mailwasher bouncing messages. It isn't an automatic feature, it is a user option. The incoming mail is checked against RBLs, like ORDB, VISI, SpamCop, etc. or whatever is in your list, and suspicious spam-like stuff can then either be marked as suspicious, marked as suspicious with a check mark to delete, or marked as suspicious with a check mark to delete and bounce. You can set up your own individual filters to delete specific spam without bouncing as well, and filters to mark messages as legit. It is very straight forward and powerful, and I find it 1000 x better than using TB!'s Mail Dispatcher. I have used Mailwasher to bounce spam messages, and yet some still persist and get resent regardless. If I receive spam from a previously bounced domain then I set a Mailwasher filter to delete the messages and *not* bounce them. However, some spam that I have bounced only once has never graced my server again. So it seems that it works for some spam and not for others. Perhaps the people tugging at their locks over the idea of Mailwasher bouncing messages should grab a copy, being as it is free, and investigate before throwing tantrums about how much work it causes everyone. No one here on this list has said that they've had to deal with a wave of 'Mailwasher bounced messages' in their postmaster accounts and so I think all the whining is just ludicrous. Bounced messages are only to be expected, and I doubt whether Mailwasher adds anything significant to the millions of bounced messages that occur everyday :) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #882. Iraq We'd Slur My So ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe4BC8tub/5cfolmEQK8SwCfYb5ByYuwyWKll+e8M/9m+SoSBu0An2h6 VAD6UMj6EH17Ez7W3EVK08di =5DEb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
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'Lo Peter,
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:07:00 +0100 your time, you said:
PP ... this faking bounces ain't fighting spam even in the slightest
PP way. It has nothing in common with any successful spam fighting
PP technology, the effect of bounces and faked bounces on amount of spam
PP is near to zero, not measurable.
Yes and no. I have bounced spam and it hasn't graced my mailbox again. On
the other hand, some spam persists even after bouncing, so it doesn't get
bounced again, just deleted. I don't know where you are deriving your
statistics from, but I'd be interested in reading them.
I have found that sometimes bouncing works and sometimes it doesn't, and if
it doesn't then you don't bounce again, you delete. Mailwasher allows me to
do that. Bouncing doesn't happen automatically, it is a user option, and can
be selected and deselected, and used independently in individual filters.
PP If you want flexibility in fighting spam make use of RBLs and systems
PP like SpamAssassin (like!!! there might be others that work in a similar
PP fashion. I don't want to break it down on SA being the one!).
That's what Mailwasher does. I use ORDB, VISI, SpamCop, and filter according
to the results.
PP THAT is flexible, not annoying innocent postmasters (especially the
PP one from your own ISP!) by filling their inbox with those ineffective
PP doublebounces ('double' because in 99% your bounce will bounce itself
PP and the so called double bounce will end up in postmasters mailbox).
I very much suspect that your fears are totall unfounded, and that if you
really wanted to worry about something try non Mailwasher bounced messages.
I don't think for a minute that the contribution that Mailwasher is making
to the millions of bounced messages floating about everyday is going to be
at all significant, and if a postmaster is going to whine about the
occassional bounced message they've he or she has spend far too much time
tracing back to a local Mailwasher user then well, what can I say accept,
try finding another hobby! ;-)
- --
Slán,
Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk
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Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Mean, On 04:46 04.12.2002, you [Mean Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... You misunderstand. The bounced mail seems to be formatted differently from other replies. It is made to look as if it came from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and unless one really analyses the header...well it works. I know it cos I have stopped receiving spam from at least 8 heavy spammers who used to send daily mailers. No, it does not. Would you please do me a favour and bounce me the CC: I send you with this mail. I'll show you then how this brings you false hope ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated but not be able to say it. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Peter, On 11:07 04.12.2002, you [Peter Palmreuther ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... But there the problem is located: ISP can't direct the double bounces to the originator and they can't fire all customers. So the result is: They can fine the customers for sending out mails with a forged from. Or they will throw you out. Try to fake this with [EMAIL PROTECTED], and look into your letter box a few days later. They have enough customers ;))) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Die zehn Gebote Gottes enthalten 279 Wörter, die amerikanische Unabhängigkeitserklärung 300 Wörter, die Verordnung der europäischen Gemeinschaft über den Import von Karamelbonbons aber exakt 25911 Wörter. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Simon, On 14:35 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... at all significant, and if a postmaster is going to whine about the occassional bounced message they've he or she has spend far too much time tracing back to a local Mailwasher user then well, what can I say accept, try finding another hobby! ;-) I think it is a good time to remember everyone that eMail is a *priviledge*, not a right. Mind you, there are still providers that do not offer you a mailbox. Then, I'd like to point you to http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-postmaster.php, which is a RBL list I've seen more and more deployed, and which would occur deleting mails from sites that do not know how to use their postmaster accounts. Oh, and before the mail user starts to whine about these mails being rejected, it is not acceptable to feed mail through an MTA which hasn't even a way to contact the responsible person. [1] Third, just like Peter, I'm having a look on several MXes, beside others the one servicing this mailing list as well. If you provide mail to your users, you have to keep your server running. This means that you will look why a message to one of your users bounced. If you find out that in fact this user *faked* a bounce message with your postmaster adress, you *will* let the user know that this was a one-time experience for him. See my first paragraph. Do *you* send you bounces as [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] Makes me laugh how effective TheBats random quote chooser is :) If you wonder, that was a *real* bounce. -- The following destination addresses were unknown: SMTP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you feel this message to be in error. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
MS Office integration
Hello, I would have thought this _was_ a FAQ type question, but I can't find any mention of it: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I'd like to use the File - Send To - Mail Recipient function from within MS Office apps. Since upgrading to TB!, this option has been greyed out. I've tried getting TB! to re-assert itself as the default mail program, but this has no effect. Ta in advance, -- Nick Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Johannes, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:21:02 +0100 your time, you said: JP I think it is a good time to remember everyone that eMail is a JP *priviledge*, not a right. Mind you, there are still providers that do JP not offer you a mailbox. Huh? What are you on about exactly? I don't know about others here, but I pay quite a bit of money each year for seperate hosting services, on top of the fee I pay to my ISP for an always on connection - and I only use my ISP as an Internet gateway; I don't use any ISP web or mail services. All my mail and web hosting services are paid for, by me, on a yearly basis, to an independant hosting companyand even then, the majority of my mail is managed by my local mail server, which I manage. Privilege? I don't think so! If you are aiming your comments above at users in your domain then I could understand the context. However, this is not the case. JP Then, I'd like to point you to JP http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-postmaster.php Yup, already familiar with it :) JP If you provide mail to your users, you have to keep your server running. JP This means that you will look why a message to one of your users JP bounced. On a fairly small scale operation I can see that as being true. On a large scale operation, I can't. JP If you find out that in fact this user *faked* a bounce message with JP your postmaster adress, you *will* let the user know that this was a JP one-time experience for him. That's your *privilege* of course. However, I can't see everyone taking the same approach as you, unless of course there were compelling reasons to implement superstrict guidlines for a group of users. - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #2915. As Quod Elm Irs Wry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe4YJMtub/5cfolmEQKINACg4P0LIyvd+yP3mrH5rrcOor3x92kAn3A+ WNy9mXHfuw7EwhKgPrz8C1z5 =viry -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MS Office integration
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 15:46, Nick Dutton wrote: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I'd like to use the File - Send To - Mail Recipient function from within MS Office apps. Since upgrading to TB!, this option has been greyed out. I can so it's definitely possible. Can you right click a file and select Send To - Mail Recipient? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: MS Office integration
Marcus, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 3:03:29 PM, you wrote: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I'd like to use the File - Send To - Mail Recipient function from within MS Office apps. Since upgrading to TB!, this option has been greyed out. MO Can you right click a file and select Send To - Mail Recipient? Yes, that works. I guess that is a Windows feature. -- Nick Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
- Original Message - From: Peter Palmreuther Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Bounce Mail Hello Mean, On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 4:56:49 AM you [MD] wrote (at least in part): First a small thanks for an exhaustive review of bouncing from a postmaster's point of view. Definitely yes! RFCs not only recommend, but require postmaster@ being a active and read address per domain. What about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also since I run my own SMTP server, none of my bounced mails are ever going to reach my ISPs postmaster or MAILER-DAEMON email account. In that case this should not bother tham should it. I'm sorry for being forced to disillusionate you, but this faking bounces ain't fighting spam even in the slightest way. It has nothing in common with any successful spam fighting technology, the effect of bounces and faked bounces on amount of spam is near to zero, not measurable. If you want flexibility in fighting spam make use of RBLs and systems like SpamAssassin (like!!! there might be others that work in a similar fashion. I don't want to break it down on SA being the one!). I couldn't agree more with you here. But where I stay, I am sorry to say the spammers are not professional at all and bouncing messages works very well for me. Its recently that I have become lazier and do not use mailwasher that spam has started getting back to me. So what works for me is something that I was looking ways to implement which started my query of whether it was possible to do it using TB. -- Mean. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
- Original Message - From: Simon Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Bounce Mail Perhaps the people tugging at their locks over the idea of Mailwasher bouncing messages should grab a copy, being as it is free, and investigate before throwing tantrums about how much work it causes everyone. No one here on this list has said that they've had to deal with a wave of 'Mailwasher bounced messages' in their postmaster accounts and so I think all the whining is just ludicrous. Bounced messages are only to be expected, and I doubt whether Mailwasher adds anything significant to the millions of bounced messages that occur everyday :) Amen!!! -- Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MS Office integration
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 16:07, Nick Dutton wrote: MO Can you right click a file and select Send To - Mail Recipient? Yes, that works. I guess that is a Windows feature. I thought the Office integration worked on the same basis, but apperently it doesn't. From the help file (of Word, that is): --- 8 --- To e-mail or route a document as an attachment in Word format (.doc) You need Word 2000 and one of the following e-mail programs: Outlook, Outlook Express, Microsoft Exchange Client, or another 32-bit e-mail program compatible with the Messaging Application Programming Interface (MAPI). Make sure Mapi32.dll is in the Windows System folder. --- 8 --- If Mapi32.dll isn't in the correct folder, place it there (IIRC it can be downloaded from Ritlabs homepage). If this doesn't help, try setting TB! as the default MAPI-client. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: MS Office integration
Hello Nick, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 3:07:17 PM, you wrote: ND Marcus, ND Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 3:03:29 PM, you wrote: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I had the same problem recently after a PC upgrade. My memory is hazy on this, but I believe I reinstalled Office and the facility was again available. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MS Office integration
On 04 December 2002, 14:46, Nick Dutton wrote: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I'd like to use the File - Send To - Mail Recipient function from within MS Office apps. Since upgrading to TB!, this option has been greyed out. ~~~ Using TB with MS Office 2000 Premium, my Word menu has File / Send to mail recipient (as attachment)... Choosing this opens a TB message window with the document attached and the subject set to the document title or filename. FWIW, I just chose the standard install for MS Office and then set TB as the default simple MAPI and default email client. You don't say which version of MS Office you're using, but IIRC, Word 97 behaved as your installation. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Major coffee failure - operator halted. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Simon, On 15:58 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Huh? What are you on about exactly? To speak on a bit more ironical terms, the fact that my mail server accepts mails from you is a priviledge, not a right. Please don't think it is targeted at you, you're just an example there. Broader one: AOL does not accept mail from dialups. They deny to dial-up users the priviledge to send mail directly to their servers. And you will laugh, they have the right to do that ;) See what I mean? I don't know about others here, but I pay quite a bit of money each year for seperate hosting services, on top of the fee I pay to my ISP for an always on connection - and I only use my ISP as an Internet gateway; I don't use any ISP web or mail services. All my mail and web hosting services are paid for, by me, on a yearly basis, to an independant hosting companyand even then, the majority of my mail is managed by my local mail server, which I manage. Privilege? I don't think so! So basically you're your own postmaster, as Schlund/11 where you host your domain sends you all messages directed towards it. Which sender does your Mailwasher bounce use? [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Let me bet that you already got spams there. Wonder how? Well, you verified the address. See, there's another mail client, OS X Apple Mail, that supports bouncing. But this nifty client even leaves an X-header to tell you where the message comes from. Plus, every message that *YOU* generate and send will be different from a real bounce, both generated at receive time by a negative recipient verify, or by your ISPs MTA. You just cannot generate a real looking bounce message with an MUA ;) On a fairly small scale operation I can see that as being true. On a large scale operation, I can't. As you bounced off the spam, and the spam bounced because again you failed to recognize a spoofed spammer address, your postmaster gets the mail in his inbox. He will look ;) You'd wonder, as a REAL bounce has a sender of , yeah you're reading right, a so called NULL sender, which no client can generate, a double bounce would not be seen and trashed directly. But as your Mailwasher/Apple Mail etc. submit a faked sender, it will double bounce back. That's your *privilege* of course. However, I can't see everyone taking the same approach as you, unless of course there were compelling reasons to implement superstrict guidlines for a group of users. No. I bet that no ISP support desk will sit calm if you start to mail around using their email address postmaster@. Whadda ya do if I'd start bouncing all mails, eg false deliveries from the TB lists, with a sender of [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that your inbox is flooded? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Illinois isn't exactly the land that God forgot -- it's more like the land He's trying to ignore. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Mean, On 16:14 04.12.2002, you [Mean Drake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... What about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Basically, since your mail client tries to imitate a bounce but does not supply a NULL sender to the mail server, it does change nothing but generates a whole bunch more of load onto MTAs. Please see http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-dsn.php, you'd need exactly this, sending your bounces with null sender and formatted like a real bounce message from your MTA. Also since I run my own SMTP server, none of my bounced mails are ever going to reach my ISPs postmaster or MAILER-DAEMON email account. In that case this should not bother tham should it. Since you run your own mail server, please configure it. Received: from [202.138.118.107] (helo=manage.24online) by stromgrade.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #9) id 18JbEm-0006Jj-00 Your HELO name is not permitted. You should supply your valid hostname. You should bash your Internet provider for not supplying you a reverse IP mapping ;) Nitpicking? More and more servers are configured more strictly. Example? I can set that the server always does a callback to your mail server to see wheter I can send you a bounce, if your address doesn't work, the mail isn't even accepted in first place. I really do not want to sound harsh, but I get more and more angry about waht people try to invent in order to get rid of spam. I made the experience that the best way is, for little spam, to just press DEL, and for more spam, to install and use SpamAssasin or the like. Specifically, I've made real good experiences with SA. I couldn't agree more with you here. But where I stay, I am sorry to say the spammers are not professional at all and bouncing messages works very well for me. Its recently that I have become lazier and do not use mailwasher that spam has started getting back to me. So what works for me is something that I was looking ways to implement which started my query of whether it was possible to do it using TB. I'd like to broaden the topic a bit. See this easy game: you receive an UCE, which wasted bandwith. The spammer in the majority of cases brought *millions* of harvested adresses for a few bucks, he just ships his UCE off and does not care about the bounces, because he will get many no matter what, as he brought millions of addresses that aren't fresh. WHY would you want to waste more bandwith again?? Oh, and for your fun, here's a little excerpt from the mail queue on this mailing list server. This is all mail submitted by spammers. Note the part with frozen. These are the doubleblounces Peter and I have been telling about. Frozen means you cannot route the mail to the sender and the recipient is forged. This frozen stuff locks your MTA, takes your I/O and is just scam. Here, it's okay, it's a rather small server just operating the list and a few personal staff. Think about scaling? 4d 1.9K 18IEbI-00012t-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4d 17K 18IEbI-00012v-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 48h 1.8K 18Iszk-0007S5-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 48h 2.2K 18Iszk-0007S7-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46h 3.7K 18Iual-0007sn-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18IxQ3-SV-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18IxQ3-SX-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 1.9K 18Ixfm-X2-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18Ixfn-X4-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 1.9K 18Ixfq-XA-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18Ixfq-XC-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 1.9K 18Ixga-XK-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 43h 16K 18Ixga-XN-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42h 3.3K 18Iyv7-rz-00 *** frozen *** 15-3030-thebat.dutaint.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 42h 3.3K 18Iz0S-t5-00 *** frozen *** 15-3030-thebat.dutaint.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 42h 3.2K 18Iz0T-t8-00 *** frozen *** 15-3030-thebat.dutaint.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 40h 2.0K 18J0gT-0001Xd-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 35h 5.7K 18J5DP-0002oe-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31h 4.1K 18J93v-0003nB-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26h 3.7K 18JDYR-0004oj-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23h 7.8K 18JG9X-0005ax-00 *** frozen *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A large number of installed systems work by fiat. That is, they work by being declared to work. -- Anatol Holt Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replace reply-to address
Dear Simon, On 20:08 20.11.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... ;) Yeah, I know :) Thought I'd avoid that. I am just very finicky, and I think it looks really scruffy, especially as the name is displayed as well in most clients anyway. I just like to see lowercase email addresses. Personal preference/pet hate, whatever g Why would you add it to your address book with a capital first letter? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Virtual means never knowing where your next byte is coming from. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backing up address book
Hallo Granville, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:52:24 +GMT (4-12-02, 4:52 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: Any easy way to back up the address book without exporting to a file? MR - From the Tools menu, select Backup, then choose Address GC I have done this but the file saves as a TBX format. When I try to GC open it I get an Edit Mail Message window with files in the left hand GC pane. When I click on any of the files I just get another Mail Window. GC I think I need to save the Address Book in Csv format. Is this GC correct? What do you want to achieve with your 'backup'? If you want to restore it into TB, Melissa's suggestion is excellent, if you'd like something else, you need to explain your wishes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Johannes, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:35:41 +0100 your time, you said: JP Plus, every message that *YOU* generate and send will be different from JP a real bounce, both generated at receive time by a negative recipient JP verify, or by your ISPs MTA. You just cannot generate a real looking JP bounce message with an MUA ;) Fair enough. So basically you are saying that even though 'the bounce' may work on occasion with Mailwasher it is no more than a gimmick as it would be obvious to anyone that it was not a genuine bounced message because genuine bounces are rejected at the MTA, and not the MUA, which is easily indentifiable? JP As you bounced off the spam, and the spam bounced because again you JP failed to recognize a spoofed spammer address, your postmaster gets the JP mail in his inbox. Yeah, in my case that would be me ;) Okay, I'll totter off and think about it some more. But to be honest, I don't - at the moment - believe that there really is a big enough problem to warrant devoted consideration, although I can see that many, many bounced messages could be very annoying for postmasters that investigate all of their bounced messages. Of course it isn't critical for me, so I'm perhaps being a little flippant, as I just filter to delete bounced bounces, but I can appreciate that this may not be the case for well endowed organisations, and that they may need to trace what they percieve as 'abusers'. Anyhow, thanks for the info. - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #1407. Slay Qed I Swum Orr ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe4x78tub/5cfolmEQKaMQCfSoVno6qD/zKD6NsuDGNqpjzI7OsAnj7t zLxWMgs05BzLcYR5RwZMeAdw =wNr/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Dear Simon, On 17:48 04.12.2002, you [Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... Fair enough. So basically you are saying that even though 'the bounce' may work on occasion with Mailwasher it is no more than a gimmick as it would be obvious to anyone that it was not a genuine bounced message because genuine bounces are rejected at the MTA, and not the MUA, which is easily indentifiable? Yes. Okay, I'll totter off and think about it some more. But to be honest, I Great! :) Anyhow, thanks for the info. You're welcome ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replace reply-to address
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Johannes, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:37:22 +0100 your time, you said: JP Why would you add it to your address book with a capital first letter? JP :) I didn't Johannes :) The address book email address entry has a lower case first letter, but the sender of the emails continued/s to use an upper case first letter for their email address, and for some reason TB! was using the upper case first letter in preference to my templates and address book entry. Of course, if I'd added the email address to the address book with a capitalised first letter then I would have deserved a slap ;-) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #52. A Qed Irs Sly Rum Ow ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe41S8tub/5cfolmEQK1TgCeJbp4ONAzivnUfFTiYtZzrjl4UxgAmgKe E7BSJj13QtP6VoxQJCFN2qCk =exsU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Blocking HTML email
What is the best way to create a filter to block incoming html email? I have tried looking for Content-Type: text/html in the headers and anywhere with not a lot of success. It seems this should work to me, but some messages that I know have that header seem impervious to my filter... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blocking HTML email
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, December 04, 2002, jon hall wrote... What is the best way to create a filter to block incoming html email? I have tried looking for Content-Type: text/html in the headers and anywhere with not a lot of success. It seems this should work to me, but some messages that I know have that header seem impervious to my filter... http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg44508.html I think I gave a pretty detailed explanation of why this doesn't always work on the above mail. The whole thread is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg44454.html Look at the bottom, and you should be able to follow it through, and it might make a little more sense. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPe471iuD6BT4/R9zEQIyCACg8C2akeZWEAah8u98rmF4F0seCBAAoN9y JSI4cf1QjiY30bxZax9oHpwz =8WcD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup an AV correctly for TB!
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 11:24:17 AM you wrote: So what could be done differently to change this? Unless there is a plug-in for TB or the AV scanner has an option to scan incoming mail - nothing. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can love somebody even after knowing him for just a second. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 2:19:23 PM you wrote: - is this normal? Yes, that's actually the point of MIME. - what is PGP/MIME? A standard used by some mailers (i.e. Eudora) to sign and encrypt a message (and its attachments), and then not showing it inline but as a MIME attachment. - can TB! handle this? Not yet. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Beauty is only skin deep. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MS Office integration
Hello Geoff! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 4:09:14 PM you wrote: On 04 December 2002, 14:46, Nick Dutton wrote: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I'd like to use the Try installing Tb as Simple MAPI handler (it's somewhere in some Preferences of TB). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Ein Berater ist jemand, der 49 Liebespositionen kennt, aber kein einziges Mädchen. (Kasimir M. Magyar) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Blocking HTML email
Thank you, I've ended up filtering for multipart/alternative where the email address isn't in my address book. I'll see how it goes... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 12:30:54 PM, you wrote: JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JA Hash: SHA1 JA On Wednesday, December 04, 2002, jon hall wrote... What is the best way to create a filter to block incoming html email? I have tried looking for Content-Type: text/html in the headers and anywhere with not a lot of success. It seems this should work to me, but some messages that I know have that header seem impervious to my filter... JA http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg44508.html JA I think I gave a pretty detailed explanation of why this doesn't JA always work on the above mail. JA The whole thread is here: JA http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg44454.html JA Look at the bottom, and you should be able to follow it through, and JA it might make a little more sense. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
Hello Ming-Li, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:47:04 +0800 GMT (04/12/02, 11:47 +0700 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ^CC Presence: No Location: Kludges [...] 1. A in TO but there are CC recipients. 2. A in CC. Your filter will be falsely triggered by messages matching condition 1. Yes, you are right. But your filter not will be triggered when there is a line starting with CC in the headers, i.e. any CC-recipient. I had overlooked that stipulation. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: the other TB! Lists are dead!
Hello Eddie, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 12:54:22 PM, you wrote: EC Dear readers from 'TB!udl List', EC I'm writing into this ML just to hear the opinion of the others. I'm EC not getting news in the other TB! nor in other ML such as PGP KPF. There have been a few messages on tbot this morning. EC They all on Y!groups. Di you also experience on your site this EC silence? I signed up for PGP-Basics a day or two ago--it's a Yahoo-supported group. And there's been a very lively discussion going on in it for about 24 hours now. Seem like there may have been one or two on tbtech also yesterday, and I remember a brief exchange on tbeta also. You could look in the archives? -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
Thomas- Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 6:52:23 PM, you wrote: TF Yes, but since when does OL care about standards? ;-))) When there's $$$ involved? -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 7:47:17 PM you wrote: Thanks Dierk. Do you know if it in the pipe for v2? Not sure. It is high on the wish list, though. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. (Napoleon Bonaparte) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: the other TB! Lists are dead!
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 7:54:22 PM you wrote: I'm writing into this ML just to hear the opinion of the others. I'm not getting news in the other TB! nor in other ML such as PGP KPF. They all on Y!groups. Di you also experience on your site this silence? The lists under the Silverstones domain (TBUDL and TBBETA) have medium traffic at the moment, the third one on this domain (TBTECH) is from what I see quiet - as often. TBOT did have some messages, but I don't know exactly when the last ones came in, as I am filtering all TB related mail into one folder. It's the olden way, before TBUDL was split up ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
Hello Mean, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:44:44 +0530 GMT (04/12/02, 22:14 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: Definitely yes! RFCs not only recommend, but require postmaster@ being a active and read address per domain. What about [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFC 2142 is the one you want to check out. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I intend to live forever - so far, so good. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SOT: the other TB! Lists are dead!
Hello Eddie, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 1:25:36 PM, you wrote: snip There have been a few messages on tbot this morning. EC This morning yes. But since this late afternoon ... EC As example in TB!ot the last posting that cam through was 9:10 pm EC mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EC Can you confirm this on your side? Yes, that's the last one I saved. I don't always save them all in folder. You could look in the archives? EC yes the same. So it seem that Y!groups has cut cable or something like EC that. Actually, I never go to Yahoo archives. Too complicated and they don't make them accessible far enough back. It was just an idea. Well, at least tbudl is up and running. Have you joined PGP-Basics? -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering on cc: field
Ming-Li and Thomas, Thank you both for your various comments. I'm not sure yet which if either of you understood or misunderstood my request, because I haven't had a second to sit down and get into your responses in any depth. I'll probably do it tonight, and post back tomorrow. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SOT: the other TB! Lists are dead!
Hello Eddie, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 3:11:13 PM, you wrote: big snip Well, at least tbudl is up and running. Have you joined PGP-Basics? EC Decades ago ;) I can't understand a word they are saying. But I am saving it all to a folder, just as I did tbudl and tbot when I first got The Bat! last October. Some future day it will mean something to me, and there may be an answer to a question I haven't yet asked, to help me out. I've only installed PGP this week and am very new to it. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SOT: the other TB! Lists are dead!
Hello Eddie, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 3:31:51 PM, you wrote: MB ... I've onlY installed PGP this week and am very new to it. EC Just be patient. When I started I felt the same. But there you can ask EC as much as you like. Even my stupid questions get answered. So you EC don't have to worry. You have to start somewhere - so just ask :)) These lists are all such a great help. And sometimes, very entertaining, too! Thank you for your good thoughts and good wishes. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backing up address book
Hello Roelof, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 4:49:36 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Granville, RO On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 03:52:24 +GMT (4-12-02, 4:52 +0100GMT, where I RO live), you wrote: Any easy way to back up the address book without exporting to a file? MR - From the Tools menu, select Backup, then choose Address GC I have done this but the file saves as a TBX format. When I try to GC open it I get an Edit Mail Message window with files in the left hand GC pane. When I click on any of the files I just get another Mail Window. GC I think I need to save the Address Book in Csv format. Is this GC correct? RO What do you want to achieve with your 'backup'? If you want to restore RO it into TB, Melissa's suggestion is excellent, if you'd like something RO else, you need to explain your wishes. I just want a secure copy of my address book that I could even print out. I couldn't understand why I can't open the saved copy and check out the displayed addresses. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgrade
Hi tbudl, I am student registered and I am trying to upgrade to personal. I already send 2 emails in the last week, no reply. I checked the website and cannot find where to email, so I used the feedback. Who to email for how much and how to upgrade the license. -- Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backing up address book
Hallo Granville, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:52:41 +GMT (5-12-02, 0:52 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: GC I just want a secure copy of my address book that I could even GC print out. I couldn't understand why I can't open the saved copy GC and check out the displayed addresses. You can print out lists from your address book, as it is now. But a readable backup would be an export to csv, which you can read and edit in Excel for instance. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 03:58:52PM -0800, syv wrote: I am student registered and I am trying to upgrade to personal. I already send 2 emails in the last week, no reply. You can order the upgrade from their website, http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/register.html and click on online registeration I checked the website and cannot find where to email, so I used the feedback. Who to email for how much and how to upgrade the license. -- Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Subhi S Hashwa *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to disable S/MIME
Hello tbudl listers, How can S/MIME be permanently disabled in The Bat!? I do not want to use it with my PGP Keys. I know how to turn it off in the Privacy menu of the Mail Editor. But that has to be done with each separate message. I would like to turn it off such that I am automatically not using it. Thanks in advance for your help. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:How to disable S/MIME
Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 7:52:54 PM, Mary wrote: MB How can S/MIME be permanently disabled in The Bat!? Go to the Privacy options in the message editor, then set defaults..., and change the option from there. -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to disable S/MIME
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Mary, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:52:54 -0600 your time, you said: MB How can S/MIME be permanently disabled in The Bat!? * Open Account Properties * Select 'Options' in the left-hand pane * uncheck the 'enable S/MIME' in the bottom right-hand corner right below 'enable OpenPGP' :) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #2446. Qua Wed Slim Sorry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe6z0stub/5cfolmEQKaDgCgsUjeQ/0QvA3hXgn28+6xwacOh28An1z5 Vp7zw9q5Z0tYyBZp1c8E+ulS =Si8u -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: How to disable S/MIME
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, December 04, 2002 Mary Bull stated: MB Hello tbudl listers, MB How can S/MIME be permanently disabled in The Bat!? I do not want to MB use it with my PGP Keys. I know how to turn it off in the Privacy menu MB of the Mail Editor. But that has to be done with each separate message. MB I would like to turn it off such that I am automatically not using it. Account-Properties-Options uncheck the options you dont want. Cheers Yall \\' Running TB! version 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III wtih 512mb Ram -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ iQA/AwUBPe6zvJbaVbYeHoVgEQJfrACgqfP7p8kRCZs5IRQ9rpqrKjsIgicAn1mY Mu4qXgNpLzUQ2yvGYPJxw7Xv =lR7I -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to disable S/MIME
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, @4-Dec-2002, 19:52 -0600 (01:52 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MB How can S/MIME be permanently disabled in The Bat!? See Account | Properties | Options | Message editor settings. That's where the default setting resides. You can turn it off there. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE97rPaOeQkq5KdzaARAkhDAJ9IZxBOLJezizzcqNi7ItpvRtuN6wCgj5O9 1P1LOKh9lxU5bS6C8AaLlao= =IL// -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to disable S/MIME
Hello Simon, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 8:02:58 PM, you wrote: SB * Open Account Properties SB * Select 'Options' in the left-hand pane SB * uncheck the 'enable S/MIME' in the bottom right-hand corner right below SB 'enable OpenPGP' Did it. Thanks a bunch. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to disable S/MIME
Hello Wolffe, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 8:02:31 PM, you wrote: Account-Properties-Options uncheck the options you dont want. Did it. Much help tonight, so many thanks. -- Best regards. Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to disable S/MIME
Hello Marck, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 8:03:05 PM, you wrote: MB How can S/MIME be permanently disabled in The Bat!? MDP See Account | Properties | Options | Message editor settings. Just went there. MDP That's where the default setting resides. You can turn it off there. Thanks. I did. What a great list! -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backing up address book
Hello Roelof, Thursday, December 5, 2002, 12:28:45 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Granville, RO On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:52:41 +GMT (5-12-02, 0:52 +0100GMT, where I RO live), you wrote: GC I just want a secure copy of my address book that I could even GC print out. I couldn't understand why I can't open the saved copy GC and check out the displayed addresses. RO You can print out lists from your address book, as it is now. But a RO readable backup would be an export to csv, which you can read and edit RO in Excel for instance. Thanks you have been a great help. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Luncheon Meat Essay
Hello TBUDL An interesting (but long) essay from the SANS institute can be found here: http://rr.sans.org/email/spam_battle.php -- Regards William www.residues.info Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Backup
Hello Marck, I am trying to backup the Bat! I do this by going into tools and using the Backup Wizard. When I have done this and go to the folder which I have created to contain my Backup job, I open the job and it is displayed in an Edit Mail Message window in a column on the left hand side. When I click on the file which gives its size in Kilobytes all that happens is that it opens into another Edit Mail Message window and so on. In fact I never get the chance to open my Backup job to view its contents. Surely this cannot be right. What do I need to do in order to view my Backup job? Thanks in advance. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Backup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Granville, @5-Dec-2002, 07:21 Granville Cousins [GC] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip GC I never get the chance to open my Backup job to view its GC contents. Surely this cannot be right. What do I need to do in GC order to view my Backup job? Thanks in advance. Well, you're seeing what you're seeing because the backup file is not a viewable file. The only thing that can read such a file is the Restore Wizard. If you want a viewable archive of folder contents then you can export a folder (or selected messages in a folder) to a Unix format export. BTW - you wrote to me at the TBUDL list address. If that wasn't what you intended then either your address history is misleading you or you have a dodgy folder template. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE97wRmOeQkq5KdzaARAjh3AKCAsPf9ZH2LnoYvI4MRl5JE4hwX7QCgjqH9 QvI2jfG7CvingLvOJPjdpoY= =0SOW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
