Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello ken,

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Thank you!  Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm..
 quickly?  Whether on the tool bar or hidden,

Well it's either a mouse click or press TAB a few times. Can't find
any other way I'm afraid.

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Re: First impressions

2003-09-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Roelof-

Well, I tried it again and it has suddenly started working.

The problem wasn't with not being able to view attachments, but that
v2 wasn't recognizing that I had the View option set to Message List.
Otherwise there's no way to distinguish one message from another.

I turned Message List mode off and then on again and I think
everything's working fine now.

There's a separate problem in that I've got v1.63 running on the
server and 2.06 running on a client, so folder updates don't get
propagated, but tomorrow I'll try running both in v2 mode and see what
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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Adam,

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 But note that the Quick Search is kinda buggy. Or has been. I've
 noticed it ignoring a whole section of the message list, and advancing
 through only a few of the existing valid message search occurrences.

Have noticed that I can't type some letters sometimes - it just keeps
rejecting them. for instance if I type costs the last s is always
removed. Strange!

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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello ken,

 Thank you!  Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm..
 quickly?  Whether on the tool bar or hidden, I'm wondering if there is a
 way to jump to the entry box (or bring up quick search if hidden) with a
 shortcut.

While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single
keystroke (letter) will bring up QS.

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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Miguel,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single
 keystroke (letter) will bring up QS.

Cor! Right in front of my face and never knew that! Thanks.

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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread ken green
MAU wrote:
 While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single
 keystroke (letter) will bring up QS.


Yes!  Quick Search has suddenly become quite useful for me.  While I
will still use TB's excellent search capabilities, QS is a great way to
get back to that what was that one from Bob I was just reading 10
minutes ago scenario.

Many thanks to the members of this list that posted the QS tips.

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Re: Reading delivery report failures

2003-09-30 Thread Urban
Monday, September 29, 2003, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

 I.E, in Agent, I had the option to view   the  raw  message,  in  TB,
 I  get two attachments visible with .at   extentions.  What can I do?

View Message Source (F9)

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Sophos AV plug-in

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello TBUDL,

Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still
detecting viruses?

This morning I received two instances of W32/Gibe-F, which were not
filtered. Also, if I run Folder-Check for viruses and select the Quarantine
folder no viruses are identified.

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Re[2]: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread mm Meister
Hello MAU,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:37:33 AM, you wrote:

M Hello ken,

 Thank you!  Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm..
 quickly?

M While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single
M keystroke (letter) will bring up QS.

So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I
had never used it. :)

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Re: Sophos AV plug-in

2003-09-30 Thread Mark Adams
Hi Martin,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:16:04 AM, you wrote:

MW Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still
MW detecting viruses?

MW This morning I received two instances of W32/Gibe-F, which were not
MW filtered. Also, if I run Folder-Check for viruses and select the Quarantine
MW folder no viruses are identified.

It's working here, or rather it was at 1.15am this morning, haven't
had a virus since.

Thought - just sent myself a copy of the eicar test file and that was
picked immediately.

Suggest you check SAV itself.

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Re: Sophos AV plug-in

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Martin,

 Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still
 detecting viruses?

Please post questions and issues about beta versions in TBBeta :-)

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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello mm,

 So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I
 had never used it. :)

There you have your short cat for QS :)

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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Richard,

@30-Sep-2003, 07:09 Richard Wakeford [RW] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RW Have noticed that I can't type some letters sometimes - it just
RW keeps rejecting them. for instance if I type costs the last
RW s is always removed. Strange!

Not really. It's only letting you progressively match. If a letter
fails to find a match, it is removed. Handy, really.

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Re: More gibberish

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Marck,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 12:12:19 AM, you wrote:

MDP Hi Andrew,

MDP @29-Sep-2003, 23:34 Andrew Hodgson [AH] in
MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

AH I have gone into account | properties | transport, but there is
AH no option in v 2.00.6 to change the way 8 bit characters are
AH handled (I need to change the setting to quoted printable). Am I
AH in the wrong place?

MDP Yes - try under Mail management.

  Thanks  -  got  it, the help said it was in transport settings.  One
  issue  with that setting is that 8 bit characters can either be left
  as  they are, which is the default, converted to quoted-printable or
  base64.  However, if the leave as they are option is sellected, they
  get converted to base64 anyway.

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Re: Reading delivery report failures

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Urban,

Monday, September 29, 2003, 7:45:09 PM, you wrote:

U Monday, September 29, 2003, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

 I.E, in Agent, I had the option to view   the  raw  message,  in  TB,
 I  get two attachments visible with .at   extentions.  What can I do?

U View Message Source (F9)

  Thanks - that is what I wanted.

Andrew.


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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Krister,

Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:15:23 PM, you wrote:

KE Hi Andrew,
KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
KE  On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38  (my local time 12:51:38), you typed:
AH   example,  on  two  messages  next  to each other in the message view
AH   window,  with  the same author and subject, I will not hear anything
AH   through  my  synthesiser  when  pressing the delete key.
KE What view are you using when this problem occurs, the view folder xx
KE or the main message view?
KE In the folder view, i did have the same problem, but in the main
KE message view window i've not had this problem. Also how do you thread?
KE Do you thread by refference (alt+1)? If not, try this setting, this
KE could even solve the problem quoted below.

  I  do  thread  by  reference in my list folders but not in the inbox
  folder.   I am using the main message view - with the folders on the
  left and the message list on the right.

AH Further to
AH   this,  it  would probably be a good idea to see if we could tell the
AH   screen reader that a message is part of a thread etc.

KE If you have a thread sorted by refference, alt+1, you get a number of
KE messages both read and unread in the part of the thread where you are,
KE like this:
KE Subject, From-name and addres, 1 1 Time and so on. the 1 1
KE indicates that there is one msg in the thread and that message is
KE unread. Does this help?

  Yes - grately.

  Two  other  problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is
  not  accessible  to  me at any rate, because when you press the down
  arrow  it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is
  known  to  screen  reader users as a static cursor, and is something
  that  makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I
  like  The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message
  viewer.  Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a
  word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the
  same  word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in
  the document.

Andrew.

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Re: Sophos AV plug-in - possibly OT

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
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 Hello Martin,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:16:04 AM, you wrote:

MW Hello TBUDL,

MW Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still
MW detecting viruses?

  On another tack, how do you get Sophos for home use?  Whenever I try
  to buy the product I only get corperate sales, and the product costs
  in the region of £400-500.

Thanks, and sorry for the off-topic posting.
Andrew.

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Re: Sophos AV plug-in

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello MAU,

On 30 September 2003, 11:37 +0200 (10:37 local time) MAU [M] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still
 detecting viruses?

M Please post questions and issues about beta versions in TBBeta :-)

I didn't know you were a moderator. ;-) As it happens, I thought TBUDL
would elicit the best response.

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Re: Sophos AV plug-in

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Mark,

On 30 September 2003, 10:27 Mark Adams [MA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW This morning I received two instances of W32/Gibe-F, which were not
MW filtered. Also, if I run Folder-Check for viruses and select the Quarantine
MW folder no viruses are identified.

MA It's working here, or rather it was at 1.15am this morning, haven't
MA had a virus since.

MA Thought - just sent myself a copy of the eicar test file and that was
MA picked immediately.

MA Suggest you check SAV itself.

Thanks for the reply. SAV is working fine; detects Eicar as soon as I
attempt to extract it from the archive. I think this could be caused by
changes in my PCs configuration over the last day or so.

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Re: Sophos AV plug-in - possibly OT

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Andrew,

On 30 September 2003, 12:31 Andrew Hodgson [AH] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

AH   On another tack, how do you get Sophos for home use?  Whenever I try
AH   to buy the product I only get corperate sales, and the product costs
AH   in the region of £400-500.

Use a Sophos Partner...

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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU!

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:38 AM, you wrote:

 So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I
 had never used it. :)

M There you have your short cat for QS :)

:), from Mary's cat, *mm~ (MM), and her new kitten *th^ (Thistle),
who not only love QS but also are in agreement with Mary that TB!
2.00.6's improved control over fonts and colors in all fields is
fabulous!

What a great pun, Miguel! Earns you one beer and one coffee in Bowling
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word document icon

2003-09-30 Thread pradeep_minoo
Hello ,

i often send document attachment and keep copy of the email sent..
  the print out so taken for the email sent doesnot contain the
  document .. is icon (say word document icon) is possible
  in the print out

  how to get the document in the print out.  

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
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Hi Andrew,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09  (my local time 13:28:09), you typed:
AH   Two  other  problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is
AH   not  accessible  to  me at any rate, because when you press the down
AH   arrow  it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is
AH   known  to  screen  reader users as a static cursor, and is something
AH   that  makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I
AH   like  The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message
AH   viewer.
Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where
the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source
feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do.

AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a
AH   word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the
AH   same  word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in
AH   the document.

Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually
checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to
tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice.
Sorry i couldn't be of more help.


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Re: word document icon

2003-09-30 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo pradeep_minoo,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:02:13 +0530GMT (30-9-03, 14:32 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

p i often send document attachment and keep copy of the email sent..
p the print out so taken for the email sent doesnot contain the
p document .. is icon (say word document icon) is possible in the
p print out

You can't include the icon in the print out, but you can include the
name(s) of the attachment(s) in the print out, by using %attachments
in the print template.


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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Mary,

 What a great pun, Miguel!

Pun, a nice word I didn't even know existed.

 Earns you one beer and one coffee in Bowling Green. :)

I guess I'll take the coffee now. Thanks :)

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Krister,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote:

KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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KE Hi Andrew,
KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
KE  On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09  (my local time 13:28:09), you typed:
AH   Two  other  problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is
AH   not  accessible  to  me at any rate, because when you press the down
AH   arrow  it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is
AH   known  to  screen  reader users as a static cursor, and is something
AH   that  makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I
AH   like  The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message
AH   viewer.
KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where
KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source
KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do.

  It  displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the
  different  mime  entities  in the raw format.  Press f9 on any email
  and  a  window  will pop up displaying the full source of the email.
  If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste
  it  into  notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that
  window.

AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a
AH   word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the
AH   same  word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in
AH   the document.

KE Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually
KE checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to
KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice.
KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help.

  The  tab  key works to get you round the box, and if you press space
  on  the  buttons  it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c,
  which  is  the  shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I
  can see it doesn't).

Andrew.

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Re: word document icon

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello pradeep_minoo,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 1:32:13 PM, you wrote:

p Hello ,

p i often send document attachment and keep copy of the email sent..
p   the print out so taken for the email sent doesnot contain the
p   document .. is icon (say word document icon) is possible
p   in the print out

  This is not possible, however, the default print-out should give you
  the name of any attachments in the email.

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Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Chris G
Hello Andrew,

i've found that using the bat 2.0 with another screenr eader, sometimes when pressing 
enter on a message the message will not read.
the text is there, but it doesn't read.  i also don't like the change in the bat 2 
when i press delete in a message window it doesn't close the window and move back to 
the list like it did in 1.6xx it just opens the next message in that window.
i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also.
one needs to tab through  and press space on the change button and it'll change the 
item.


Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:41:34 AM, you wrote:

AH   Hello Krister,

AH Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote:

KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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KE Hi Andrew,
KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
KE  On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09  (my local time 13:28:09), you typed:
AH   Two  other  problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is
AH   not  accessible  to  me at any rate, because when you press the down
AH   arrow  it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is
AH   known  to  screen  reader users as a static cursor, and is something
AH   that  makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I
AH   like  The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message
AH   viewer.
KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where
KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source
KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do.

AH   It  displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the
AH   different  mime  entities  in the raw format.  Press f9 on any email
AH   and  a  window  will pop up displaying the full source of the email.
AH   If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste
AH   it  into  notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that
AH   window.

AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a
AH   word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the
AH   same  word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in
AH   the document.

KE Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually
KE checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to
KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice.
KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help.

AH   The  tab  key works to get you round the box, and if you press space
AH   on  the  buttons  it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c,
AH   which  is  the  shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I
AH   can see it doesn't).

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Andrew,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:41:34 AM, you wrote:
AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space
AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c,
AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I
AH can see it doesn't).

moderator

This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to
the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated
this reply. Please don't feel singled out Andrew.

Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original
text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to
specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't
necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last
comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has
been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the
quoted text, and/or the PGP signature.

We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to
view the entire thread contents.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Chris,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:47:53 AM, you wrote:
CG sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not
CG read.

moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message
and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we
actually request that you not do so on this list because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top
of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which
you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then
below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more
than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and
follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you
may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this.
However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer
and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that
will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll
likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is
comfortable for them to read and understand.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Chris,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 3:47:53 PM, you wrote:

CG i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also.
CG one needs to tab through  and press space on the change button and it'll chang

  Thanks  -  its  not  just my system then.  I find it hard to see why
  this  doesn't  work;  when  you  press  alt+c to change the word, it
  appears  to  do something but then just goes back to that word again
  as if it did not change it.

Andrew.

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Re: MyGate 2.5

2003-09-30 Thread Kevin Coates
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Hi Andrew,

On Sep 24, 2003, 21:30 +0300 (2:30 PM here), Andrew Perevodchik [AP]
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I installed v2.5 and am able to download and post successfully.
However, I have been encountering some problems.

In MyGate I am only subscribing to a few low traffic groups specific
to my hosting ISP. The retention in these groups is quite long because
there is so little traffic. I believe some of these posts are 2 years
old.

My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages,
MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is
because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from
Sept of last year. (Running The Bat! Folder Maintenance finds these
dups and deletes them.)

I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local
settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of
bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this
I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail
as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still
retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished.

Has anyone else reported something similar? Any suggestions?

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
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Hi Andrew,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 30 Sep 2003 15:41:34  (my local time 16:41:34), you typed:
KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where
KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source
KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do.

AH   It  displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the
AH   different  mime  entities  in the raw format.  Press f9 on any email
AH   and  a  window  will pop up displaying the full source of the email.
AH   If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste
AH   it  into  notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that
AH   window.

Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely
be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an
account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F still compiles a list of
accessibility related bugs, could you please add it to it?

KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice.
KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help.

AH   The  tab  key works to get you round the box, and if you press space
AH   on  the  buttons  it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c,
AH   which  is  the  shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I
AH   can see it doesn't).

Hmm, and you can't go outside an edit field and then just press c
either... I don't personally see this as an issue of very high
priority, but then again, that's me, and different people have
different needs, but of course the shortcut to the button provided
should work. Anyone else notised this behavior?


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Re[3]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam

2003-09-30 Thread Terry
On Monday, September 29, 2003 at 11:03 PM, David wrote:

 I would be happy to supply a lot of spam messages to folks who need
 some samples for training purposes!  ;-)

Thanks for the offer, but I get enough myself. :)

With all the talk about spam on the list lately, I thought I'd share
some information I came across. Using others' messages may not be the
best thing to do and in some instances, might decrease the accuracy of
the Bayesian filter, or so I was told on another mailing list. I was
referred to www.paulgraham.com/spam.html and from what I've gathered,
it seems to be the case. I've been reading Paul Graham's Plan for
Spam and the newer Better Bayesian Filtering. It makes for
interesting reading.

Bayesian filtering is based on the statistical probability of an
e-mail being spam as it relates to *your* e-mail and not anyone
else's. The probability that a particular word used in an e-mail will
identify it as spam may be different for me than for you. Take the
word click for example. Suppose I'm on a list where people are
always using the word click, so the word is present in both spam and
non-spam for me. You never receive any e-mail with the word click in
it unless it's spam. The probability score for spam for click will
be much higher for you than it would be for me.

You need both spam and ham to train a filter. It only follows that if
I use your e-mail to train my filter, I may generate false positives
because my e-mail will be different from yours. As a side-benefit to
this personalization, Graham explains that it makes it difficult for
spammers to fine-tune messages since what would be fine-tuning for me
wouldn't necessarily be fine-tuning for you. This then limits the
avenues that spammers have to alter their messages to get through the
filters. Spammers can do it for rules-based programs, such as
SpamAssassin (without Bayes) by looking at the rules and then coming
up with methods to counteract the rules. In that situation, it's a
game of tag. Rule -- Way around the rule -- New Rule -- Way around
the new rule -- ad infinitum.

Of course, I could be wrong about this as it is my interpretation of
Graham's writings. If I am, I hope someone will let me know.

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Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
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Hi Leif,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 30 Sep 2003 08:50:08  (my local time 16:50:08), you typed:
LG Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original
LG text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to
LG specific items in the message you are replying to.

A note to our screen reader using friends, a way of trimming the reply
is that when you read the message, you can actually select text rather
like in a word processor, ie by using the shift key in conjunction
with up-or down arrow, pgup or pgdown, home or end respectively. After
selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message editor with
the text you selected as quoted text.
This is one of the niftier features of The bat! imho.
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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Hodgson wrote:

 the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate,
 because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down
 instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a
 static cursor,

I have experienced this as well. The cursor should behave the same
after pressing F9 as it does when reading a message in the preview
pane or the folder view, IMHO.

Care to add a bugnote to
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 ?


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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
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Hi Chris,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 30 Sep 2003 10:47:53  (my local time 16:47:53), you typed:
CG i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message
CG window it doesn't close the window and move back to the list
CG like it did in 1.6xx it just opens the next message in
CG that window.

I don't like that either. The way i do it now, is that i hit the
escape key after reading each message thereby going back to the main
message window. it works, but i'd much prefer if it
could be like in v1.6X.
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Re: MyGate 2.5

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Kevin,

 My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages,
 MyGate periodically downloads them again.

What's your setting in Account/Properties/Mail Management/Message
Management? Delete messages from server? If not, select this option and
try again.

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Re: MyGate 2.5

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Kevin,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:20:04 -0400 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:20 +0700 GMT),
Kevin Coates wrote:

 My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages,
 MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is
 because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from
 Sept of last year.

I can only say that TB with MyGate doesn't download the NG postings
that I have already downloaded already for a second time. Once I have
back-upped 2.00.18, I will try agian with 2.00.22, which you are
using.

 I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local
 settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of
 bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran.

I only checked after I had already installed MyGate, so I cannot say
whether it started with that installation. They have a size of zero,
so I cannot determine from which account they originate. But MyGate
sometimes causes an access violation (I haven't figured out yet under
which circumstances), and when I restart it, it works fine.

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Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Terry,

 Of course, I could be wrong about this as it is my interpretation of
 Graham's writings. If I am, I hope someone will let me know.

I think your interpretation is correct.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:42:05 +0200 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:42 +0700 GMT),
Krister Ekstrom wrote:

 Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely
 be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an
 account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F still compiles a list of
 accessibility related bugs, could you please add it to it?

I have already sent the list, see
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762,
and additional bugnotes from other people are welcome. You see, every
time a bugnote is added, the bug report is moved to the top. ;-) And
it looks better if different people contribute... that's the marketing
guy in me speaking. :-)

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Re: ISO-8859-15 charset

2003-09-30 Thread Geir Bækholt
Hello Maurice,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:43:13 PM, you wrote:

 Hmm, what if you hit the 'Reset' button on the XLAT prefs dialog?

Thanks ! Never noticed that button ;)


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Re: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Marck,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RW Have noticed that I can't type some letters sometimes - it just
RW keeps rejecting them. for instance if I type costs the last
RW s is always removed. Strange!

 Not really. It's only letting you progressively match. If a letter
 fails to find a match, it is removed. Handy, really.

I give up! The intricacies and cleverness of this programme are way
beyond my ken! Every day you learn something new (not always useful
mind you but this one is).

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Re: Feedback on The Bat! v2.00.06/.018 from 1.62r

2003-09-30 Thread Jonathan Angliss
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On Sunday, September 28, 2003, Mark wrote...

 [..] I went through The Bat v2 not seeing many improvements or
 changes.

There are a lot of things under the hood that have changed that you
won't spot from just browsing around.  Such as the IMAP support has
been completely rewritten.  This means TB v2 now supports proper IMAP
instead of enhanced POP3 to view emails.

There are some other features now, such as the scheduler, html compose
(basic at the moment), and the plugin options you already mentioned.
Macro support has been enhanced/altered slightly, and now allows you
to set/modify headers, along with using variables as you go through
macros and templates

That is of course along with bug fixes, and what not too.

 I thought The Bat! v2 included a plug-in for anti-spam.

Where did you hear that? I don't think RitLabs are releasing a spam
plugin, though you can certainly check on tbbeta or tbdev and get
information as there are developers working on them (outside of the
RitLab staff that is).

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Re: MyGate 2.5

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Perevodchik
Hello!

KC My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages,
KC MyGate periodically downloads them again.

Check out, if numbers of X-MyGate-MID are the same in duplicate
messages. This header is added by MyGate 2.5, so I hope you have some
recently-recieved dupes.

KC I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local
KC settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of
KC bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this
KC I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail
KC as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still
KC retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished.

I have those tmps too. Can anyone confirm that those are because of
MyGate? Strange thing is that MyGate doesn't use any temp files in tmp
folder and is not supposed to affect TB behaviour at all, cause it
runs as a separate task...

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:51:22 PM, you wrote:

TF Hello Andrew,

TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
TF Andrew Hodgson wrote:

 the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate,
 because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down
 instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a
 static cursor,

TF I have experienced this as well. The cursor should behave the same
TF after pressing F9 as it does when reading a message in the preview
TF pane or the folder view, IMHO.

  Thanks; I will add some bugs to the tracking system.

Andrew.

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Re[2]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam

2003-09-30 Thread Terry
Hi Miguel,

 I think your interpretation is correct.

Cool! I'll have to save this to show to my significant other. I'm not
often correct. vbg

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Re[2]: Quick Search

2003-09-30 Thread mm Meister
Hello Miguel,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 5:38:42 AM, you wrote:

 So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I
 had never used it. :)

M There you have your short cat for QS :)

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Re: MyGate 2.5

2003-09-30 Thread Edgar
Hello Kevin,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 5:20:04 PM, you wrote:

 My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages,
 MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is
 because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from
 Sept of last year. (Running The Bat! Folder Maintenance finds these
 dups and deletes them.)

 Has anyone else reported something similar? Any suggestions?

As I sated before with MyGate 2.4 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I  also  have  some  trouble with MyGate. MyGate 2.5 also download the
same messages once in a while.

There  is  no difference when I change the setting of Leaving messages
on server or delete them.

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Re: First impressions

2003-09-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Allie-

Monday, September 29, 2003, 6:44:14 PM, you wrote:

MW All v2 shows me is a bunch of messages, each named 1.MSG.

AM They are numbered sequentially, yes.

No, they aren't. I find it more than somewhat annoying to find
multiple MIME parts in the left panel, all named 1.MSG. And even more
annoying that there are a dozen or so tabs at the bottom of the
message folder, all with the label 1.MSG. In 1.6x the message parts in
the left panel each get an autonumber and there aren't any confusing
extraneous tabs at the bottom. Mind you, the autonumber didn't help
any unless I needed to find a mangled temp message somewhere, but I
find 1.MSG to be singularly unhelpful.

AM Do you have the header bar enabled? If not, enabling it would be
AM helpful. When you double click on one of the attached messages, do you
AM have the message list enabled for the new window that pops up. Enabling
AM the message list (View//message list) will show a list of all the
AM attached messages for you to browse.

That was it. I *did* have Message List enabled, but for some reason v2
didn't respect that setting the first time. I went back and disabled
it and then reenabled it and it seems to be fine now.

AM Other than that, there are no 'secret' features.

Darn g

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how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Samson
Hello tbudl,

I'm organizing mail by projects. So, here's how my folder tree looks
like: (they are all in the same account)

inbox
outbox
sent
projects
|
+-- project_a
+-- project_b
+-- ...

The idea is, i setup some filters in sorting office to sort
project-related email into their own folders. this works well, though
sometimes i have to manually move a mail from inbox to project folder
because not all mails can be automatically filtered and manual review
might be needed.

I have a question now: the incoming mail will be correctly put into
the project folder, but all outgoing mails are put into the same
sent folder. this makes archive and loookup a little more difficult.
What I try to do is:

projects
|
+-- project_a
|   +-- out
+-- project_b
|   +-- out
...

The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in folder
x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out.

Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick?

Thanks in advance.


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Fonts and colors in TB! 2 [was Re: Quick Search]

2003-09-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU!

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 9:12 AM, you wrote:

MB What a great pun, Miguel!

M Pun, a nice word I didn't even know existed.

MB Earns you one beer and one coffee in Bowling Green. :)

M I guess I'll take the coffee now. Thanks :)

My pleasure--electronically on its way. Hope it doesn't arrive with a
fish, as I know I'm getting off-topic.

I do want to emphasize my pleasure at discovering this morning how to
set font styles, font sizes, and font colors (especially the second
quote colors in the Edit Mail Message window) and backgrounds in both
Plain Text and Source, through Options/Preferences/Messages and
Options/Preferences/Editor/Viewer.

I now have a screen that is easy on my old eyes, and I have been able
to put the Windows pixels back from 800x600 to 1280x1024. In 1.61 I
could not control the Header fields through TB!, and had resorted to
800x600 as a rather inadequate solution.

For this alone The Bat! v. 2.00.6 is worth the price of admission to
me. And I discovered it quite by accident while trying to read a 6 pt
HTML message from a company I'd bought a program from. I had gone to
Source, and it was tiny, also, so I started poking around.

I am now in that state of total happiness which only success and
caffeine can bring on. :)

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Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Chris G
 is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view.
sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the 
entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's not usable.

i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue.

on my desktop it's not so much of an issue, but if the list was a standard list view 
it wouldn't be an issue, and it would effect the use of the bat with whatever screen 
reader one chooses to use.
i know that Hal 5.21 doesn't have an issue.

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Re: MyGate 2.5

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Andrew,

KC I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local
KC settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of
KC bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this
KC I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail
KC as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still
KC retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished.
 
 I have those tmps too. Can anyone confirm that those are because of
 MyGate? 

As far as I know, bat.tmp files are where The Bat! downloads
messages and then imports from. Obviously, newgroup messages coming
through MyGate are just messages that TB has to download and import.
However, these temp files should be deleted by TB after successful
import. The ones you are seeing may be leftovers from incomplete
transfers during set up and testing with MyGate. Just a guess.

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Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Terry,

 Cool! I'll have to save this to show to my significant other. I'm not
 often correct. vbg

Hey! I can say you are correct as many times as you wish. And for free,
I won't even ask for a beer ;-)

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Re: how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Samson,

On 30 September 2003, 10:47 -0700 (18:47 local time) Samson [S] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

S I have a question now: the incoming mail will be correctly put into
S the project folder, but all outgoing mails are put into the same
S sent folder. this makes archive and loookup a little more difficult.
S What I try to do is:

S projects
S |
S +-- project_a
S |   +-- out
S +-- project_b
S |   +-- out
S ...

S The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in folder
S x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out.

S Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick?

Can't you create a corresponding outgoing mail filter based on similar
rules as incoming mail?


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Re: Fonts and colors in TB! 2 [was Re: Quick Search]

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Mary,

 My pleasure--electronically on its way. Hope it doesn't arrive with a
 fish,

No, perfect aroma and taste :)

 I am now in that state of total happiness which only success and
 caffeine can bring on. :)

I know what you mean.

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Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread John
I  was running Agent for both email and news but am
trying out Bat for email only

Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
reply  key.  and a reply composition window would
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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread John Rakestraw
Hi John,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21:52 PM, you wrote:

J Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
J bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. 

In TB!, highlight the text and hit F4.

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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread Roel
Hi John

On 30 Sep 2003 14:21:52  (my local time 21:21:52), John wrote:

J Can Bat do this?

Offcourse :-)
but instead of hitting the reply-button with your mouse, you have to
hit F4, while the text is selected offcourse.

Hth
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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread Dave Gorman
Hello John,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21:52 PM, you wrote:

 All you had to do is select and highlight whatever text you
 want to quote in the original message... and then hit the
 reply key. and a reply composition window would open with
 the selected text already quoted.

Select text, hit F4.

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Re:Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread Clive Taylor

Hi John,

 Can Bat do this?

Select your text and hit F4.
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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello John,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
 bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
 do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
 quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
 reply  key.  and a reply composition window would
 open with the selected text already quoted.

Yup. I selected your text and hit F4 - voila!

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XLAT-Table for UTF-8?

2003-09-30 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Is there a XLAT-table available for UTF-8 encoding? I have tried
searching with Google, but I did not find any reasonable result. :(

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Re: how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Samson,

@30-Sep-2003, 10:47 -0700 (18:47 UK time) Samson [S] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

S The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in
S folder x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out.

I always copy/paste my incoming rule to the outgoing list and edit
Sender to Recipient (if that's the trigger).

S Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick?

Not really.

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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello John,

On 30 September 2003, 14:21 -0500 (20:21 local time) John [J] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

J Having  said that in Agent it was easy to include a
J bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
J do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
J quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
J reply  key.  and a reply composition window would
J open with the selected text already quoted.

J Can Bat do this?

Yes, select text and press F4.


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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello John!

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21 PM, you wrote:

J ... in Agent it was easy to include a
J bit  of  quoted text in a reply message. All you had to
J do  is  select  and highlight whatever text you want to
J quote  in  the  original  message...  and  then hit the
J reply  key.  and a reply composition window would
J open with the selected text already quoted.

J Can Bat do this?

Yes, it can, with one extra thing to remember: highlight the text you
want to quote, *hold down the shift key*, and click the Reply arrow in
the View Folder window. (You will have to have the Toolbar
showing--get it from the View drop-down menu, in the View Folder
window.)

BTW, please note how my signature has a delimiter: (-- or
dash-dash-enter, which is dash-dash with a space after it, and then
one more enter to go to the next line). It would help if you could use
this delimiter, also. Then I wouldn't have to delete
everything below where your signature would have been if you had
signed your message, when I reply to you without selecting text to
be quoted. Like this leftover:

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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread MAU
Hello Roel,

 but instead of hitting the reply-button with your mouse, you have to
 hit F4, while the text is selected offcourse.

He can Shift+Click on the reply button.

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Re[2]: how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Samson
Hello Martin  MAU,

MW Can't you create a corresponding outgoing mail filter based on similar
MW rules as incoming mail?

yes, this is also the idea that pops up in my head at the first time.
but the problem is that it cost too much time.

for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for
incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to
create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary
because the mail is already filtered. if thebat can support some kind
of filter based on the original message, it would be much easier.

anyway, thanks for your comments. i'm afraid i have to do this until
some day thebat adds this feature.


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Re: how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Edgar
Hello Samson,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:

 I have a question now: the incoming mail will be correctly put into
 the project folder, but all outgoing mails are put into the same
 sent folder. this makes archive and loookup a little more difficult.
 What I try to do is:

 projects
 |
 +-- project_a
 |   +-- out
 +-- project_b
 |   +-- out
 ...

 The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in folder
 x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out.

 Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick?

I do not think that this is possible but maybe this will work.

1) You can enter a new headerfield in your mail called projectid
2) You  can also make a reply template that gives this projectid the name
   of the folder where you answered the original message.
3) Then you can filter on projectid for outgoing mails.

You  can  extent  this  by maken the header editable so you can use it
also for new mails. (You should then of course give it the name of the
folder it should go to).

You  can,  if  you make it editable, use an other projectid (a number)
and not put in the foldername. Comes down to the same.

How to do it:
1) Options  preference  Message headers.
Then  AD,  Name: Project RFCname: ProjectID (no address field / can be
edit / no scroll.

2) ad the following line to your reply template
   %HDRProjectID=%FOLDERNAME

   Please  determin first which template you use. The default account,
   the  folder,  the group (in addressbook) or the person template (in
   addressbook).

3) filter in kludges op Projectid: (foldername)

IF  you  use this you should answer the messages in the project folder
where  it  belongs because the %FOLDERNAME part takes the name of that
folder.

Any good?

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Re: XLAT-Table for UTF-8?

2003-09-30 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Thorvald Neumann wrote:

 Is there a XLAT-table available for UTF-8 encoding? I have tried
 searching with Google, but I did not find any reasonable result. :(

no, but Unicode should be supported very soon, AFAIK.

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Re: Text quoting

2003-09-30 Thread John Bartlett

Hello John,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, at 14:21:52 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:21 PM here
on Vancouver Island) you wrote:

J easy to include a bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you
J had to do is select and highlight whatever text you want to quote
J in the original message... and then hit the reply key. and a
J reply composition window would open with the selected text already
J quoted.

J Can Bat do this?


  Yes - highlight then F4

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filing/moving messages

2003-09-30 Thread ken green
This may be public knowledge, but I just discovered this today.

I get tons of e-mail and spend time going back through my Inbox filing
and deleting when I can.  I use the Ctrl + V shortcut a lot, which
brings up the move message(s) to... dialog window.

For a long time, I used either the scroll bar or arrow keys to get to
the folder I needed to file the message.  Sometimes, I would enter the
first letter of the folder I needed, and this speeded things up a bit.

But I have a lot of folders, and many start with the same letter, so
this wasn't always the best method.  But today, on a whim, I typed more
than one letter - just started typing the folder name - and BAM! there's
the folder I want.  Not sure why I was convinced I could only type one
letter.  This searching method (similar to Quick Search) works for
browsing the folder list as well.

Maybe I'm the last one here to figure it out, but I sure was happy today
to discover this new feature.  TB continues to make my life easier.
Now, if only I'd quit making it harder...

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Re: Feedback on The Bat! v2.00.06/.018 from 1.62r

2003-09-30 Thread Ricardo van Eck
Hello Mark,

Sunday, September 28, 2003, 22:51:32, you wrote:

M For me there is not a significant change in The Bat! to upgrade.


There is a lot of new stuff actually. But some need to be found first.
Off course everyone needs there own motivation to upgrade. Maybe
2.somewhereinthefuture has some new stuff you really like. By then the
upgrade offer is expired.

I bought 1.6x in December 2002. So I do agree with some that Ritlabs
asked to much € for 2.x. They could at least offer to upgrade until
somewhere 2004 or something.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
  Hello Chris,

Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:00:13 PM, you wrote:

CG  is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view.
CG sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages
CG winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over
CG name/subject. or something, it's not usable.

  I  am  wondering  whether this is because the subject/author are the
  same in the next message?  If I get the following:

  Subject  Author
  Test Message Andrew Hodgson
  Test Message Another user

  Then  when  arrowing  through those messages, my screen reader would
  read  the  first line out completely, but the second line would only
  read  out  the  author of the new message, not the subject again, as
  this  is the same.  The same principal works for the author.  I have
  no  idea  why  this  is  the  case  but  I tested with both Jaws and
  Windoweyes and the same problem occured.

Andrew.

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Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Pranav Lal
Have you tried reclassifying the folder list?

Pranav
At 11:30 PM 9/30/2003, you wrote:
 is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list 
view.
sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't 
read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's 
not usable.

i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue.

on my desktop it's not so much of an issue, but if the list was a standard 
list view it wouldn't be an issue, and it would effect the use of the bat 
with whatever screen reader one chooses to use.
i know that Hal 5.21 doesn't have an 
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Mod: Top posting (was: Screen readers and TheBat)

2003-09-30 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Pranav,

@01-Oct-2003, 04:42 +0530 (00:12 UK time) Pranav Lal said:

 Have you tried reclassifying the folder list?

moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Pranav.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list
because 

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
   top of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
part separately and follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group
when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and
understand.

Thank you.
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TBUDL Mission Statement

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Greetings Bat Listers,

This is your monthly message from the moderation team to remind you
of the primary purpose of this discussion list.

To review the list rules, follow the link at the end of this message.


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The  TBUDL  list  has  been set up for the purpose of discussing The
Bat! and how to use it. It is a community of users ready and able to
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Simply send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send it to the
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Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?

2003-09-30 Thread St - Musaic.Net

  Why is it that each time someone violated the list rules regarding top
  posting then the rest of us are punished with that extra error message
  that apparently was meant for mr. Don T. Feelsingledout?!?
  
  Why these repetitve instructions?!?

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Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?

2003-09-30 Thread Bill Blinn Technology Editor
At 8:38 PM on 9/30/2003, the otherwise nameless St at Musaic.Net
typed ...

S   Why these repetitve instructions?!?

I do not speak for the list owners of this list, but I think I
understand where they're coming from. As a list owner, there is one
thing I never, ever, do -- and that is question the operating methods
of a list owner. I imagine the administrators feel that public
reminders are worthwhile.

The problem with lists is that when people see something done wrong
and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson learned is that
the inappropriate behavior is correct and accepted.

These reminder messages follow a format, so it's a trivial exercise in
filter building to create a filter that eliminates them before they
can bother you. I haven't done this because TBUDL is a low-volume,
on-topic list and because it's easy to hit the DEL key a little faster
than usual once or twice a day when one of these reminders shows up.

-- 
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Re[3]: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Chris G


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On 10/1/2003 at 4:42 AM Pranav Lal wrote:

Have you tried reclassifying the folder list?
Yes, and it didn't work. made it worse.
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Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?

2003-09-30 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Bill,

@30-Sep-2003, 20:48 -0400 (01-Oct 01:48 UK time) Bill Blinn
Technology Editor [BB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
said to St:

BB The problem with lists is that when people see something done
BB wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson
BB learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and
BB accepted.

This posting benefits greatly from nail-on-the-head syndrome. That
is *precisely* why all rule-break moderation is done on-list.

There is another reason though. When the moderators don't step in
visibly, 100+ irate member sure 'nuff will. What would you prefer?
One post from a moderator or a free for all of admonishments from
any offended party?

I actually resigned from a list for the moderator refusing to
perform on-list moderation. It makes no sense at any level.

The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry
megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the
planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At
heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)!

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Toolbar(s)

2003-09-30 Thread Joseph N.
Is it true--can it possibly be true--that v.2 does not have
customizable toolbars?

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Re: Toolbar(s)

2003-09-30 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Wednesday, October 1, 2003, Joseph N. wrote:

 Is it true--can it possibly be true--that v.2 does not have
 customizable toolbars?

Version 2.0 have not this feature, but this is planned for Christmas
version, as Stefan said.

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Re: how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Samson,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:23:20 -0700 GMT (01/10/2003, 03:23 +0700 GMT),
Samson wrote:

 for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for
 incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to
 create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary
 because the mail is already filtered.

It's not unnecessary, because only incoming mail is filtered, not
outgoing.

What I do is the following: When I filter incoming mail on sender or
subject, I check Presence in Kludges. Then I just cp the filter into
Outgoing and I'm done.

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Re[2]: how to do this with sorting-office?

2003-09-30 Thread Joseph N.
   On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for
 incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to
 create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary
 because the mail is already filtered.

TF What I do is the following: When I filter incoming mail on sender or
TF subject, I check Presence in Kludges. Then I just cp the filter into
TF Outgoing and I'm done.

I do the same, but this always has seemed to me an unnecessary PITA.
The issue is not only creating the filter(s), but also maintaining
them.

It would be more sensible and I assume not too difficult to provide
two extra options when a user filters on a string in the headers:
filter outgoing and incoming the same way; or, as an alternative,
filter outgoing and read msgs the same way.

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