Re: Quick Search
Hello ken, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you! Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm.. quickly? Whether on the tool bar or hidden, Well it's either a mouse click or press TAB a few times. Can't find any other way I'm afraid. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.18 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First impressions
Roelof- Well, I tried it again and it has suddenly started working. The problem wasn't with not being able to view attachments, but that v2 wasn't recognizing that I had the View option set to Message List. Otherwise there's no way to distinguish one message from another. I turned Message List mode off and then on again and I think everything's working fine now. There's a separate problem in that I've got v1.63 running on the server and 2.06 running on a client, so folder updates don't get propagated, but tomorrow I'll try running both in v2 mode and see what happens. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello Adam, On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But note that the Quick Search is kinda buggy. Or has been. I've noticed it ignoring a whole section of the message list, and advancing through only a few of the existing valid message search occurrences. Have noticed that I can't type some letters sometimes - it just keeps rejecting them. for instance if I type costs the last s is always removed. Strange! -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.18 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello ken, Thank you! Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm.. quickly? Whether on the tool bar or hidden, I'm wondering if there is a way to jump to the entry box (or bring up quick search if hidden) with a shortcut. While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single keystroke (letter) will bring up QS. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello Miguel, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single keystroke (letter) will bring up QS. Cor! Right in front of my face and never knew that! Thanks. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.22 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
MAU wrote: While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single keystroke (letter) will bring up QS. Yes! Quick Search has suddenly become quite useful for me. While I will still use TB's excellent search capabilities, QS is a great way to get back to that what was that one from Bob I was just reading 10 minutes ago scenario. Many thanks to the members of this list that posted the QS tips. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reading delivery report failures
Monday, September 29, 2003, Andrew Hodgson wrote: I.E, in Agent, I had the option to view the raw message, in TB, I get two attachments visible with .at extentions. What can I do? View Message Source (F9) -- Urban My very best liked piece of music is the Bronze Lullaby. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sophos AV plug-in
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL, Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still detecting viruses? This morning I received two instances of W32/Gibe-F, which were not filtered. Also, if I run Folder-Check for viruses and select the Quarantine folder no viruses are identified. - -- Best regards, Martin Webster http://www.martinwebster.info/ The Bat! 2.00.18 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3lJ2Vv+PP8p0/caEQL5KwCglK0lBq2ntrACzVI2fygxY1lPJ3oAn2ua GjHuA1/uBhmSkQiY50oOMU87 =unYW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Quick Search
Hello MAU, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:37:33 AM, you wrote: M Hello ken, Thank you! Is there a way to get focus to Quick Search ... erm.. quickly? M While you have focus on the message list pane, almost every single M keystroke (letter) will bring up QS. So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I had never used it. :) No problem. -- Maggiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sophos AV plug-in
Hi Martin, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:16:04 AM, you wrote: MW Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still MW detecting viruses? MW This morning I received two instances of W32/Gibe-F, which were not MW filtered. Also, if I run Folder-Check for viruses and select the Quarantine MW folder no viruses are identified. It's working here, or rather it was at 1.15am this morning, haven't had a virus since. Thought - just sent myself a copy of the eicar test file and that was picked immediately. Suggest you check SAV itself. Mark -- Mark Adams | Computer Systems Acemake Computers | Network Support Taming Technology | Bespoke Programming I don't have buried anger against men. Because my anger is right on the surface. Camille Paglia Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sophos AV plug-in
Hello Martin, Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still detecting viruses? Please post questions and issues about beta versions in TBBeta :-) Thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello mm, So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I had never used it. :) There you have your short cat for QS :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hi Richard, @30-Sep-2003, 07:09 Richard Wakeford [RW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RW Have noticed that I can't type some letters sometimes - it just RW keeps rejecting them. for instance if I type costs the last RW s is always removed. Strange! Not really. It's only letting you progressively match. If a letter fails to find a match, it is removed. Handy, really. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More gibberish
Hello Marck, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 12:12:19 AM, you wrote: MDP Hi Andrew, MDP @29-Sep-2003, 23:34 Andrew Hodgson [AH] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AH I have gone into account | properties | transport, but there is AH no option in v 2.00.6 to change the way 8 bit characters are AH handled (I need to change the setting to quoted printable). Am I AH in the wrong place? MDP Yes - try under Mail management. Thanks - got it, the help said it was in transport settings. One issue with that setting is that 8 bit characters can either be left as they are, which is the default, converted to quoted-printable or base64. However, if the leave as they are option is sellected, they get converted to base64 anyway. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reading delivery report failures
Hello Urban, Monday, September 29, 2003, 7:45:09 PM, you wrote: U Monday, September 29, 2003, Andrew Hodgson wrote: I.E, in Agent, I had the option to view the raw message, in TB, I get two attachments visible with .at extentions. What can I do? U View Message Source (F9) Thanks - that is what I wanted. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:15:23 PM, you wrote: KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH window, with the same author and subject, I will not hear anything AH through my synthesiser when pressing the delete key. KE What view are you using when this problem occurs, the view folder xx KE or the main message view? KE In the folder view, i did have the same problem, but in the main KE message view window i've not had this problem. Also how do you thread? KE Do you thread by refference (alt+1)? If not, try this setting, this KE could even solve the problem quoted below. I do thread by reference in my list folders but not in the inbox folder. I am using the main message view - with the folders on the left and the message list on the right. AH Further to AH this, it would probably be a good idea to see if we could tell the AH screen reader that a message is part of a thread etc. KE If you have a thread sorted by refference, alt+1, you get a number of KE messages both read and unread in the part of the thread where you are, KE like this: KE Subject, From-name and addres, 1 1 Time and so on. the 1 1 KE indicates that there is one msg in the thread and that message is KE unread. Does this help? Yes - grately. Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message viewer. Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in the document. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sophos AV plug-in - possibly OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Martin, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:16:04 AM, you wrote: MW Hello TBUDL, MW Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still MW detecting viruses? On another tack, how do you get Sophos for home use? Whenever I try to buy the product I only get corperate sales, and the product costs in the region of £400-500. Thanks, and sorry for the off-topic posting. Andrew. - -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3lpmBvTWk0UTIIuEQLelQCg1VxJ6vLExAAFdpZFjeW/mbFb9xcAn2Q+ 2BhzgpbGyBnTsYkA7wjBPH3P =8P76 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sophos AV plug-in
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MAU, On 30 September 2003, 11:37 +0200 (10:37 local time) MAU [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone using the Sophos AV plug-in with TB! 2.00.18? Is it still detecting viruses? M Please post questions and issues about beta versions in TBBeta :-) I didn't know you were a moderator. ;-) As it happens, I thought TBUDL would elicit the best response. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.18 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3lwoFv+PP8p0/caEQIs2QCcDEtHtFFvMO33xI3Ul/qqitYqs9IAoNBY DYgBeZtN7rKFHwnyqQniJ/vi =XyKe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sophos AV plug-in
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mark, On 30 September 2003, 10:27 Mark Adams [MA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW This morning I received two instances of W32/Gibe-F, which were not MW filtered. Also, if I run Folder-Check for viruses and select the Quarantine MW folder no viruses are identified. MA It's working here, or rather it was at 1.15am this morning, haven't MA had a virus since. MA Thought - just sent myself a copy of the eicar test file and that was MA picked immediately. MA Suggest you check SAV itself. Thanks for the reply. SAV is working fine; detects Eicar as soon as I attempt to extract it from the archive. I think this could be caused by changes in my PCs configuration over the last day or so. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.18 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3lx6Vv+PP8p0/caEQItLwCdF+nxJfec4a82aO2GRNSpiTKGSrsAnjl6 PNAx74HY3LgdNIcq4OffbYnr =VtKi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sophos AV plug-in - possibly OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Andrew, On 30 September 2003, 12:31 Andrew Hodgson [AH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AH On another tack, how do you get Sophos for home use? Whenever I try AH to buy the product I only get corperate sales, and the product costs AH in the region of £400-500. Use a Sophos Partner... - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.18 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3lyQlv+PP8p0/caEQL+ggCgrIingq8sUHhiA7V4XJPtSp2KQ1MAn2Zc EEtQa1hipAZPcw7eyEODH3Z1 =nUK7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello MAU! On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:38 AM, you wrote: So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I had never used it. :) M There you have your short cat for QS :) :), from Mary's cat, *mm~ (MM), and her new kitten *th^ (Thistle), who not only love QS but also are in agreement with Mary that TB! 2.00.6's improved control over fonts and colors in all fields is fabulous! What a great pun, Miguel! Earns you one beer and one coffee in Bowling Green. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
word document icon
Hello , i often send document attachment and keep copy of the email sent.. the print out so taken for the email sent doesnot contain the document .. is icon (say word document icon) is possible in the print out how to get the document in the print out. -- Best regards, pradeep_minoo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down AH arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is AH known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something AH that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I AH like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message AH viewer. Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a AH word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the AH same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in AH the document. Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. Sorry i couldn't be of more help. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.18, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eX+3ODlJeoMTOQsRAlxKAJ4u7NEfWhq9q5dTkH0mAGEu6o3ffwCg4k6+ jFV/4oSxb8FhFfOYS+qYstA= =fO7P -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: word document icon
Hallo pradeep_minoo, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:02:13 +0530GMT (30-9-03, 14:32 +0200, where I live), you wrote: p i often send document attachment and keep copy of the email sent.. p the print out so taken for the email sent doesnot contain the p document .. is icon (say word document icon) is possible in the p print out You can't include the icon in the print out, but you can include the name(s) of the attachment(s) in the print out, by using %attachments in the print template. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello Mary, What a great pun, Miguel! Pun, a nice word I didn't even know existed. Earns you one beer and one coffee in Bowling Green. :) I guess I'll take the coffee now. Thanks :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KE Hash: SHA1 KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down AH arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is AH known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something AH that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I AH like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message AH viewer. KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. It displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the different mime entities in the raw format. Press f9 on any email and a window will pop up displaying the full source of the email. If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste it into notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that window. AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a AH word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the AH same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in AH the document. KE Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually KE checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help. The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I can see it doesn't). Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: word document icon
Hello pradeep_minoo, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 1:32:13 PM, you wrote: p Hello , p i often send document attachment and keep copy of the email sent.. p the print out so taken for the email sent doesnot contain the p document .. is icon (say word document icon) is possible p in the print out This is not possible, however, the default print-out should give you the name of any attachments in the email. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, i've found that using the bat 2.0 with another screenr eader, sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not read. the text is there, but it doesn't read. i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message window it doesn't close the window and move back to the list like it did in 1.6xx it just opens the next message in that window. i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also. one needs to tab through and press space on the change button and it'll change the item. Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH Hello Krister, AH Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KE Hash: SHA1 KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down AH arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is AH known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something AH that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I AH like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message AH viewer. KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. AH It displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the AH different mime entities in the raw format. Press f9 on any email AH and a window will pop up displaying the full source of the email. AH If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste AH it into notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that AH window. AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a AH word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the AH same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in AH the document. KE Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually KE checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help. AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't). AH Andrew. -- Best regards, Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't). moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Andrew. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:47:53 AM, you wrote: CG sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not CG read. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 3:47:53 PM, you wrote: CG i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also. CG one needs to tab through and press space on the change button and it'll chang Thanks - its not just my system then. I find it hard to see why this doesn't work; when you press alt+c to change the word, it appears to do something but then just goes back to that word again as if it did not change it. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate 2.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, On Sep 24, 2003, 21:30 +0300 (2:30 PM here), Andrew Perevodchik [AP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I installed v2.5 and am able to download and post successfully. However, I have been encountering some problems. In MyGate I am only subscribing to a few low traffic groups specific to my hosting ISP. The retention in these groups is quite long because there is so little traffic. I believe some of these posts are 2 years old. My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages, MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from Sept of last year. (Running The Bat! Folder Maintenance finds these dups and deletes them.) I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished. Has anyone else reported something similar? Any suggestions? - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.00.22 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/eZ8lRbTFvUNHmLkRAj/JAJ979IYzBpA0KU/6mHn29dNEo25r1wCg3ANJ I2oRe4d0mf1THQcS/JtTz7o= =MEWl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 15:41:34 (my local time 16:41:34), you typed: KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. AH It displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the AH different mime entities in the raw format. Press f9 on any email AH and a window will pop up displaying the full source of the email. AH If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste AH it into notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that AH window. Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F still compiles a list of accessibility related bugs, could you please add it to it? KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help. AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't). Hmm, and you can't go outside an edit field and then just press c either... I don't personally see this as an issue of very high priority, but then again, that's me, and different people have different needs, but of course the shortcut to the button provided should work. Anyone else notised this behavior? - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eaRZODlJeoMTOQsRAh/XAKCHUr8G6cpb5Z4nA9GHDdr6OtZs4wCg804W fcqJ4ax7FzAV0GXFH8Ii4bw= =Lt0n -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
On Monday, September 29, 2003 at 11:03 PM, David wrote: I would be happy to supply a lot of spam messages to folks who need some samples for training purposes! ;-) Thanks for the offer, but I get enough myself. :) With all the talk about spam on the list lately, I thought I'd share some information I came across. Using others' messages may not be the best thing to do and in some instances, might decrease the accuracy of the Bayesian filter, or so I was told on another mailing list. I was referred to www.paulgraham.com/spam.html and from what I've gathered, it seems to be the case. I've been reading Paul Graham's Plan for Spam and the newer Better Bayesian Filtering. It makes for interesting reading. Bayesian filtering is based on the statistical probability of an e-mail being spam as it relates to *your* e-mail and not anyone else's. The probability that a particular word used in an e-mail will identify it as spam may be different for me than for you. Take the word click for example. Suppose I'm on a list where people are always using the word click, so the word is present in both spam and non-spam for me. You never receive any e-mail with the word click in it unless it's spam. The probability score for spam for click will be much higher for you than it would be for me. You need both spam and ham to train a filter. It only follows that if I use your e-mail to train my filter, I may generate false positives because my e-mail will be different from yours. As a side-benefit to this personalization, Graham explains that it makes it difficult for spammers to fine-tune messages since what would be fine-tuning for me wouldn't necessarily be fine-tuning for you. This then limits the avenues that spammers have to alter their messages to get through the filters. Spammers can do it for rules-based programs, such as SpamAssassin (without Bayes) by looking at the rules and then coming up with methods to counteract the rules. In that situation, it's a game of tag. Rule -- Way around the rule -- New Rule -- Way around the new rule -- ad infinitum. Of course, I could be wrong about this as it is my interpretation of Graham's writings. If I am, I hope someone will let me know. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leif, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 08:50:08 (my local time 16:50:08), you typed: LG Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original LG text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to LG specific items in the message you are replying to. A note to our screen reader using friends, a way of trimming the reply is that when you read the message, you can actually select text rather like in a word processor, ie by using the shift key in conjunction with up-or down arrow, pgup or pgdown, home or end respectively. After selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message editor with the text you selected as quoted text. This is one of the niftier features of The bat! imho. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eaZkODlJeoMTOQsRAjgTAKC1u45gCtd3+CcPYt1A7po9kWFB3ACfQU4t MtNdGk6L6DhNdThSS3pOEsg= =Cd+G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a static cursor, I have experienced this as well. The cursor should behave the same after pressing F9 as it does when reading a message in the preview pane or the folder view, IMHO. Care to add a bugnote to http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 ? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. There are 10 different kinds of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 10:47:53 (my local time 16:47:53), you typed: CG i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message CG window it doesn't close the window and move back to the list CG like it did in 1.6xx it just opens the next message in CG that window. I don't like that either. The way i do it now, is that i hit the escape key after reading each message thereby going back to the main message window. it works, but i'd much prefer if it could be like in v1.6X. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eafjODlJeoMTOQsRAsfgAJ96FaPF0j7cpbcehNTvr8vXe4WD/ACgpJAv yWdYALgIfNb+YDNncwhtvTk= =IOef -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate 2.5
Hello Kevin, My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages, MyGate periodically downloads them again. What's your setting in Account/Properties/Mail Management/Message Management? Delete messages from server? If not, select this option and try again. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate 2.5
Hello Kevin, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:20:04 -0400 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:20 +0700 GMT), Kevin Coates wrote: My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages, MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from Sept of last year. I can only say that TB with MyGate doesn't download the NG postings that I have already downloaded already for a second time. Once I have back-upped 2.00.18, I will try agian with 2.00.22, which you are using. I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I only checked after I had already installed MyGate, so I cannot say whether it started with that installation. They have a size of zero, so I cannot determine from which account they originate. But MyGate sometimes causes an access violation (I haven't figured out yet under which circumstances), and when I restart it, it works fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. George Best (Englische Nationalmannschaft 1966): Ich habe viel von meinem Geld fuer Alkohol, Weiber und schnelle Autos ausgegeben. Den Rest habe ich einfach verprasst. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello Terry, Of course, I could be wrong about this as it is my interpretation of Graham's writings. If I am, I hope someone will let me know. I think your interpretation is correct. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:42:05 +0200 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:42 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F still compiles a list of accessibility related bugs, could you please add it to it? I have already sent the list, see http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762, and additional bugnotes from other people are welcome. You see, every time a bugnote is added, the bug report is moved to the top. ;-) And it looks better if different people contribute... that's the marketing guy in me speaking. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What to not say to the nice policeman: So, uh, you on the take or what? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISO-8859-15 charset
Hello Maurice, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:43:13 PM, you wrote: Hmm, what if you hit the 'Reset' button on the XLAT prefs dialog? Thanks ! Never noticed that button ;) -- Geir Bækholt Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quick Search
Hello Marck, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RW Have noticed that I can't type some letters sometimes - it just RW keeps rejecting them. for instance if I type costs the last RW s is always removed. Strange! Not really. It's only letting you progressively match. If a letter fails to find a match, it is removed. Handy, really. I give up! The intricacies and cleverness of this programme are way beyond my ken! Every day you learn something new (not always useful mind you but this one is). -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.22 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feedback on The Bat! v2.00.06/.018 from 1.62r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, September 28, 2003, Mark wrote... [..] I went through The Bat v2 not seeing many improvements or changes. There are a lot of things under the hood that have changed that you won't spot from just browsing around. Such as the IMAP support has been completely rewritten. This means TB v2 now supports proper IMAP instead of enhanced POP3 to view emails. There are some other features now, such as the scheduler, html compose (basic at the moment), and the plugin options you already mentioned. Macro support has been enhanced/altered slightly, and now allows you to set/modify headers, along with using variables as you go through macros and templates That is of course along with bug fixes, and what not too. I thought The Bat! v2 included a plug-in for anti-spam. Where did you hear that? I don't think RitLabs are releasing a spam plugin, though you can certainly check on tbbeta or tbdev and get information as there are developers working on them (outside of the RitLab staff that is). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP3kSiCuD6BT4/R9zEQLKAQCgsXMeqfpyBJbuW2sLkqQV6S2a7iQAoM3j GppdAmD+EiYWxMhX/KE8cprj =Lcy9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate 2.5
Hello! KC My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages, KC MyGate periodically downloads them again. Check out, if numbers of X-MyGate-MID are the same in duplicate messages. This header is added by MyGate 2.5, so I hope you have some recently-recieved dupes. KC I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local KC settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of KC bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this KC I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail KC as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still KC retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished. I have those tmps too. Can anyone confirm that those are because of MyGate? Strange thing is that MyGate doesn't use any temp files in tmp folder and is not supposed to affect TB behaviour at all, cause it runs as a separate task... -- Andrew Perevodchik Kiev, Ukraine Using The Bat! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:51:22 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Andrew, TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), TF Andrew Hodgson wrote: the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a static cursor, TF I have experienced this as well. The cursor should behave the same TF after pressing F9 as it does when reading a message in the preview TF pane or the folder view, IMHO. Thanks; I will add some bugs to the tracking system. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hi Miguel, I think your interpretation is correct. Cool! I'll have to save this to show to my significant other. I'm not often correct. vbg -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Quick Search
Hello Miguel, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 5:38:42 AM, you wrote: So, this explains why the cat was always able to bring up QS, while I had never used it. :) M There you have your short cat for QS :) Aaaargh! -- mmmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate 2.5
Hello Kevin, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 5:20:04 PM, you wrote: My problem is that even though I have downloaded these messages, MyGate periodically downloads them again. I'm not sure if this is because the Sept posts look new to MyGate, even though they are from Sept of last year. (Running The Bat! Folder Maintenance finds these dups and deletes them.) Has anyone else reported something similar? Any suggestions? As I sated before with MyGate 2.4 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I also have some trouble with MyGate. MyGate 2.5 also download the same messages once in a while. There is no difference when I change the setting of Leaving messages on server or delete them. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Murphy's First Law: Nothing is as easy as it looks. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: First impressions
Allie- Monday, September 29, 2003, 6:44:14 PM, you wrote: MW All v2 shows me is a bunch of messages, each named 1.MSG. AM They are numbered sequentially, yes. No, they aren't. I find it more than somewhat annoying to find multiple MIME parts in the left panel, all named 1.MSG. And even more annoying that there are a dozen or so tabs at the bottom of the message folder, all with the label 1.MSG. In 1.6x the message parts in the left panel each get an autonumber and there aren't any confusing extraneous tabs at the bottom. Mind you, the autonumber didn't help any unless I needed to find a mangled temp message somewhere, but I find 1.MSG to be singularly unhelpful. AM Do you have the header bar enabled? If not, enabling it would be AM helpful. When you double click on one of the attached messages, do you AM have the message list enabled for the new window that pops up. Enabling AM the message list (View//message list) will show a list of all the AM attached messages for you to browse. That was it. I *did* have Message List enabled, but for some reason v2 didn't respect that setting the first time. I went back and disabled it and then reenabled it and it seems to be fine now. AM Other than that, there are no 'secret' features. Darn g -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
how to do this with sorting-office?
Hello tbudl, I'm organizing mail by projects. So, here's how my folder tree looks like: (they are all in the same account) inbox outbox sent projects | +-- project_a +-- project_b +-- ... The idea is, i setup some filters in sorting office to sort project-related email into their own folders. this works well, though sometimes i have to manually move a mail from inbox to project folder because not all mails can be automatically filtered and manual review might be needed. I have a question now: the incoming mail will be correctly put into the project folder, but all outgoing mails are put into the same sent folder. this makes archive and loookup a little more difficult. What I try to do is: projects | +-- project_a | +-- out +-- project_b | +-- out ... The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in folder x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out. Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick? Thanks in advance. (Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 ) -- Best regards, Samson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fonts and colors in TB! 2 [was Re: Quick Search]
Hello MAU! On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 9:12 AM, you wrote: MB What a great pun, Miguel! M Pun, a nice word I didn't even know existed. MB Earns you one beer and one coffee in Bowling Green. :) M I guess I'll take the coffee now. Thanks :) My pleasure--electronically on its way. Hope it doesn't arrive with a fish, as I know I'm getting off-topic. I do want to emphasize my pleasure at discovering this morning how to set font styles, font sizes, and font colors (especially the second quote colors in the Edit Mail Message window) and backgrounds in both Plain Text and Source, through Options/Preferences/Messages and Options/Preferences/Editor/Viewer. I now have a screen that is easy on my old eyes, and I have been able to put the Windows pixels back from 800x600 to 1280x1024. In 1.61 I could not control the Header fields through TB!, and had resorted to 800x600 as a rather inadequate solution. For this alone The Bat! v. 2.00.6 is worth the price of admission to me. And I discovered it quite by accident while trying to read a 6 pt HTML message from a company I'd bought a program from. I had gone to Source, and it was tiny, also, so I started poking around. I am now in that state of total happiness which only success and caffeine can bring on. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's not usable. i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue. on my desktop it's not so much of an issue, but if the list was a standard list view it wouldn't be an issue, and it would effect the use of the bat with whatever screen reader one chooses to use. i know that Hal 5.21 doesn't have an issue. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate 2.5
Hello Andrew, KC I also noticed that the c:\documents and settings\user\local KC settings\temp directory was filling up with a tremendous amount of KC bat.tmp files *only* after MyGate ran. I think when I noticed this KC I had over 10,000 of them! Attempts to delete these files would fail KC as long as MyGate was loaded in the tray. I believe MyGate still KC retains some r/w access even though the downloading is finished. I have those tmps too. Can anyone confirm that those are because of MyGate? As far as I know, bat.tmp files are where The Bat! downloads messages and then imports from. Obviously, newgroup messages coming through MyGate are just messages that TB has to download and import. However, these temp files should be deleted by TB after successful import. The ones you are seeing may be leftovers from incomplete transfers during set up and testing with MyGate. Just a guess. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp PLAYING: Fattburger - Sizzlin (SmoothJazz.com - The world's best Smooth Jazz - live from Monterey, Calif.) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello Terry, Cool! I'll have to save this to show to my significant other. I'm not often correct. vbg Hey! I can say you are correct as many times as you wish. And for free, I won't even ask for a beer ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp PLAYING: Lino - Satin Blue (SmoothJazz.com - The world's best Smooth Jazz - live from Monterey, Calif.) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to do this with sorting-office?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Samson, On 30 September 2003, 10:47 -0700 (18:47 local time) Samson [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip S I have a question now: the incoming mail will be correctly put into S the project folder, but all outgoing mails are put into the same S sent folder. this makes archive and loookup a little more difficult. S What I try to do is: S projects S | S +-- project_a S | +-- out S +-- project_b S | +-- out S ... S The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in folder S x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out. S Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick? Can't you create a corresponding outgoing mail filter based on similar rules as incoming mail? - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.22 w/ BayesIt! 0.4fm (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3nQzlv+PP8p0/caEQI3igCeNyNMh4xE5gFZ76WMpWvz2SN0kHQAnRlm 6nz4P00my3fihvr9H/hSjFdy =5H+F -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts and colors in TB! 2 [was Re: Quick Search]
Hello Mary, My pleasure--electronically on its way. Hope it doesn't arrive with a fish, No, perfect aroma and taste :) I am now in that state of total happiness which only success and caffeine can bring on. :) I know what you mean. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Text quoting
I was running Agent for both email and news but am trying out Bat for email only Having said that in Agent it was easy to include a bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you had to do is select and highlight whatever text you want to quote in the original message... and then hit the reply key. and a reply composition window would open with the selected text already quoted. Can Bat do this? Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hi John, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21:52 PM, you wrote: J Having said that in Agent it was easy to include a J bit of quoted text in a reply message. In TB!, highlight the text and hit F4. -- Best, John Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hi John On 30 Sep 2003 14:21:52 (my local time 21:21:52), John wrote: J Can Bat do this? Offcourse :-) but instead of hitting the reply-button with your mouse, you have to hit F4, while the text is selected offcourse. Hth -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zum Antworten bitte Lederhosen entfernen Windows Multitasking: screwing up several things at once Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hello John, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21:52 PM, you wrote: All you had to do is select and highlight whatever text you want to quote in the original message... and then hit the reply key. and a reply composition window would open with the selected text already quoted. Select text, hit F4. -- Dave Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Text quoting
Hi John, Can Bat do this? Select your text and hit F4. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.18 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hello John, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Having said that in Agent it was easy to include a bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you had to do is select and highlight whatever text you want to quote in the original message... and then hit the reply key. and a reply composition window would open with the selected text already quoted. Yup. I selected your text and hit F4 - voila! -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.00.22 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 | and using the best browser: Opera7 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
XLAT-Table for UTF-8?
Hæ! Is there a XLAT-table available for UTF-8 encoding? I have tried searching with Google, but I did not find any reasonable result. :( -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 3] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to do this with sorting-office?
Hi Samson, @30-Sep-2003, 10:47 -0700 (18:47 UK time) Samson [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: S The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in S folder x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out. I always copy/paste my incoming rule to the outgoing list and edit Sender to Recipient (if that's the trigger). S Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick? Not really. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello John, On 30 September 2003, 14:21 -0500 (20:21 local time) John [J] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Having said that in Agent it was easy to include a J bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you had to J do is select and highlight whatever text you want to J quote in the original message... and then hit the J reply key. and a reply composition window would J open with the selected text already quoted. J Can Bat do this? Yes, select text and press F4. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.22 w/ BayesIt! 0.4fm (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3ndvVv+PP8p0/caEQJfAQCfQi7DWlhJx6Q2VSwdi4+FpuDUWJYAoKRQ o670DLMyTvDm+27G07mkM+8O =R0ga -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hello John! On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:21 PM, you wrote: J ... in Agent it was easy to include a J bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you had to J do is select and highlight whatever text you want to J quote in the original message... and then hit the J reply key. and a reply composition window would J open with the selected text already quoted. J Can Bat do this? Yes, it can, with one extra thing to remember: highlight the text you want to quote, *hold down the shift key*, and click the Reply arrow in the View Folder window. (You will have to have the Toolbar showing--get it from the View drop-down menu, in the View Folder window.) BTW, please note how my signature has a delimiter: (-- or dash-dash-enter, which is dash-dash with a space after it, and then one more enter to go to the next line). It would help if you could use this delimiter, also. Then I wouldn't have to delete everything below where your signature would have been if you had signed your message, when I reply to you without selecting text to be quoted. Like this leftover: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html; TIA. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hello Roel, but instead of hitting the reply-button with your mouse, you have to hit F4, while the text is selected offcourse. He can Shift+Click on the reply button. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp PLAYING: Jonathan Butler - No Woman No Cry (SmoothJazz.com - The world's best Smooth Jazz - live from Monterey, Calif.) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to do this with sorting-office?
Hello Martin MAU, MW Can't you create a corresponding outgoing mail filter based on similar MW rules as incoming mail? yes, this is also the idea that pops up in my head at the first time. but the problem is that it cost too much time. for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary because the mail is already filtered. if thebat can support some kind of filter based on the original message, it would be much easier. anyway, thanks for your comments. i'm afraid i have to do this until some day thebat adds this feature. (Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 ) -- Best regards, Samsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to do this with sorting-office?
Hello Samson, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: I have a question now: the incoming mail will be correctly put into the project folder, but all outgoing mails are put into the same sent folder. this makes archive and loookup a little more difficult. What I try to do is: projects | +-- project_a | +-- out +-- project_b | +-- out ... The outgoing rule I want to setup is: If original mail is in folder x, the reply/forward of this mail should goto x\out. Is this possible in thebat? or i have to look for some trick? I do not think that this is possible but maybe this will work. 1) You can enter a new headerfield in your mail called projectid 2) You can also make a reply template that gives this projectid the name of the folder where you answered the original message. 3) Then you can filter on projectid for outgoing mails. You can extent this by maken the header editable so you can use it also for new mails. (You should then of course give it the name of the folder it should go to). You can, if you make it editable, use an other projectid (a number) and not put in the foldername. Comes down to the same. How to do it: 1) Options preference Message headers. Then AD, Name: Project RFCname: ProjectID (no address field / can be edit / no scroll. 2) ad the following line to your reply template %HDRProjectID=%FOLDERNAME Please determin first which template you use. The default account, the folder, the group (in addressbook) or the person template (in addressbook). 3) filter in kludges op Projectid: (foldername) IF you use this you should answer the messages in the project folder where it belongs because the %FOLDERNAME part takes the name of that folder. Any good? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Whenever man comes up with a better mousetrap, nature immediately comes up with a better mouse. - James Carswell Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XLAT-Table for UTF-8?
Hello all, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Thorvald Neumann wrote: Is there a XLAT-table available for UTF-8 encoding? I have tried searching with Google, but I did not find any reasonable result. :( no, but Unicode should be supported very soon, AFAIK. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Text quoting
Hello John, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, at 14:21:52 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:21 PM here on Vancouver Island) you wrote: J easy to include a bit of quoted text in a reply message. All you J had to do is select and highlight whatever text you want to quote J in the original message... and then hit the reply key. and a J reply composition window would open with the selected text already J quoted. J Can Bat do this? Yes - highlight then F4 -- Cheers, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The_Bat! version 1.62r and Opera on Windows 98 SE Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
filing/moving messages
This may be public knowledge, but I just discovered this today. I get tons of e-mail and spend time going back through my Inbox filing and deleting when I can. I use the Ctrl + V shortcut a lot, which brings up the move message(s) to... dialog window. For a long time, I used either the scroll bar or arrow keys to get to the folder I needed to file the message. Sometimes, I would enter the first letter of the folder I needed, and this speeded things up a bit. But I have a lot of folders, and many start with the same letter, so this wasn't always the best method. But today, on a whim, I typed more than one letter - just started typing the folder name - and BAM! there's the folder I want. Not sure why I was convinced I could only type one letter. This searching method (similar to Quick Search) works for browsing the folder list as well. Maybe I'm the last one here to figure it out, but I sure was happy today to discover this new feature. TB continues to make my life easier. Now, if only I'd quit making it harder... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feedback on The Bat! v2.00.06/.018 from 1.62r
Hello Mark, Sunday, September 28, 2003, 22:51:32, you wrote: M For me there is not a significant change in The Bat! to upgrade. There is a lot of new stuff actually. But some need to be found first. Off course everyone needs there own motivation to upgrade. Maybe 2.somewhereinthefuture has some new stuff you really like. By then the upgrade offer is expired. I bought 1.6x in December 2002. So I do agree with some that Ritlabs asked to much for 2.x. They could at least offer to upgrade until somewhere 2004 or something. -- Best regards, Ricardo van Eck The Netherlands Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:00:13 PM, you wrote: CG is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. CG sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages CG winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over CG name/subject. or something, it's not usable. I am wondering whether this is because the subject/author are the same in the next message? If I get the following: Subject Author Test Message Andrew Hodgson Test Message Another user Then when arrowing through those messages, my screen reader would read the first line out completely, but the second line would only read out the author of the new message, not the subject again, as this is the same. The same principal works for the author. I have no idea why this is the case but I tested with both Jaws and Windoweyes and the same problem occured. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? Pranav At 11:30 PM 9/30/2003, you wrote: is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's not usable. i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue. on my desktop it's not so much of an issue, but if the list was a standard list view it wouldn't be an issue, and it would effect the use of the bat with whatever screen reader one chooses to use. i know that Hal 5.21 doesn't have an issue. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Screen readers and TheBat)
Hi Pranav, @01-Oct-2003, 04:42 +0530 (00:12 UK time) Pranav Lal said: Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Pranav. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TBUDL Mission Statement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings Bat Listers, This is your monthly message from the moderation team to remind you of the primary purpose of this discussion list. To review the list rules, follow the link at the end of this message. TBUDL Mission statement The TBUDL list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat! and how to use it. It is a community of users ready and able to help new users get to grips with some of the capabilities of this flexible email client. More complex issues are discussed on the TBTECH list (see below for details). Simply send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send it to the whole list. See the notes at the end of this message for details about how to manage your list membership or to leave the list. It would probably be a good idea for you to set up a folder to keep TBUDL messages in. If you do this, the next most useful thing to have in place is an automatic filter to move mail from your inbox into your TBUDL folder. Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for StringsLocationPresence Reply-to:.*TBUDL@ Kludges Yes Options: Regular expressions (Checked). The TBUDL Rogues Gallery There is a TBUDL Rogues Gallery, letting you put a face to the name. The gallery can be viewed at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/rogues.html Want to add your face to the gallery? Here's how: Send your picture by e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Ideally you should provide it as a 120x144 jpeg image. For those of you who do not know how or do not have an image editing program to do this, send the image to Marck and he'll do it. Make sure you include your name as you want it to appear on the page. TBOT - The Bat off topic discussion list One of our members has created a list for those occasional off topic discussions of public interest. Please feel free to join this list, where many of our readership currently participate. Addresses: Post message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTECH - The Bat technical discussion list The TBTECH list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat! and related issues that are of a more technical nature than is catered for in the TBUDL list. Such topics as Regular Expression, RFC content and compliance, plug-in programming, Spell-checker semantics, 3rd party software, ISP policy, Internet protocols and anything else that would bore a beginner into leaving the TBUDL! Addresses: Post message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: (via the administrative web interface) Important disclaimer The moderators and list administrators are not affiliated with RIT Labs or the development of TB, although the developers are, themselves members of the list and will sometimes chip in. If you wish to contact the developers, please use The Bat! main menu Help .. Feedback options or, if you need to write to the programmers directly, send mail to: Stefan Tanurkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Max Masyutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for joining, and we hope that you find this list of use. Contacts THE FOLLOWING E-MAIL ADDRESSES SHOULD ONLY BE USED WHEN YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE ** LIST MODERATORS OR LIST ADMINISTRATORS **. DO NOT SEND THE BAT! RELATED QUESTIONS HERE; THEY WILL *NOT* GET ANSWERED. If you are having difficulties with the list, or one of its members, please contact one of the list moderators. If you need to send a message to the list moderation team, please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is moderated by the following persons of ill repute: Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] A. Curtis
Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Why is it that each time someone violated the list rules regarding top posting then the rest of us are punished with that extra error message that apparently was meant for mr. Don T. Feelsingledout?!? Why these repetitve instructions?!? / St Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
At 8:38 PM on 9/30/2003, the otherwise nameless St at Musaic.Net typed ... S Why these repetitve instructions?!? I do not speak for the list owners of this list, but I think I understand where they're coming from. As a list owner, there is one thing I never, ever, do -- and that is question the operating methods of a list owner. I imagine the administrators feel that public reminders are worthwhile. The problem with lists is that when people see something done wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and accepted. These reminder messages follow a format, so it's a trivial exercise in filter building to create a filter that eliminates them before they can bother you. I haven't done this because TBUDL is a low-volume, on-topic list and because it's easy to hit the DEL key a little faster than usual once or twice a day when one of these reminders shows up. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/30/2003 at 8:42 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Learning French is trivial: The word for horse is cheval and everything else follows in the same way. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Screen readers and TheBat
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10/1/2003 at 4:42 AM Pranav Lal wrote: Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? Yes, and it didn't work. made it worse. Chris Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting?!?
Hi Bill, @30-Sep-2003, 20:48 -0400 (01-Oct 01:48 UK time) Bill Blinn Technology Editor [BB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to St: BB The problem with lists is that when people see something done BB wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson BB learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and BB accepted. This posting benefits greatly from nail-on-the-head syndrome. That is *precisely* why all rule-break moderation is done on-list. There is another reason though. When the moderators don't step in visibly, 100+ irate member sure 'nuff will. What would you prefer? One post from a moderator or a free for all of admonishments from any offended party? I actually resigned from a list for the moderator refusing to perform on-list moderation. It makes no sense at any level. The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)! -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Toolbar(s)
Is it true--can it possibly be true--that v.2 does not have customizable toolbars? -- JN Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Toolbar(s)
Hello all, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, Joseph N. wrote: Is it true--can it possibly be true--that v.2 does not have customizable toolbars? Version 2.0 have not this feature, but this is planned for Christmas version, as Stefan said. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to do this with sorting-office?
Hello Samson, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:23:20 -0700 GMT (01/10/2003, 03:23 +0700 GMT), Samson wrote: for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary because the mail is already filtered. It's not unnecessary, because only incoming mail is filtered, not outgoing. What I do is the following: When I filter incoming mail on sender or subject, I check Presence in Kludges. Then I just cp the filter into Outgoing and I'm done. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and do so. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to do this with sorting-office?
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: for example, if i have 10 projects, i'll create 10 filters for incoming mail. this is ok because i have to do that. but i need to create another 10 outgoing filter. this looks a little unnecessary because the mail is already filtered. TF What I do is the following: When I filter incoming mail on sender or TF subject, I check Presence in Kludges. Then I just cp the filter into TF Outgoing and I'm done. I do the same, but this always has seemed to me an unnecessary PITA. The issue is not only creating the filter(s), but also maintaining them. It would be more sensible and I assume not too difficult to provide two extra options when a user filters on a string in the headers: filter outgoing and incoming the same way; or, as an alternative, filter outgoing and read msgs the same way. -- JN Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
