Re: Strange Font - From Nowhere

[Steve Mulhall]

> Allie Martin wrote:

> Have you checked your font settings in the Preferences, namely those
> for 'Plain Text/MicroEd' (this controls the font used for composing
> with MicroEd and for viewing received messages with the Fixed Width
> Viewer) and 'HTML/Windows Editor' (this controls the fonts used for
> composing messages with the HTML editor as well as for viewing
> received messages with the Rich Text Viewer).

Sorry Allie, should've really mentioned that I did check this too.
There was actually no font selected in the above preference so I
selected one and it changed in the preference window but didn't do
anything in the main TB gui (very confused). At this point I re-installed
the whole thing (hoped to avoid this but...) and it's all ok now.

Just wanted to say thanks for the reply.

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Re: [OT] POPFile on multiple Windows XP accounts

[dAniel hAhler]

on Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:09:43 +0100 I wrote:

dh> I created another user account on my Windows XP account, which should
dh> also use POPFile for spam filtering, but since I set this up, there
dh> happen a lot "Server not reachable" and "Unable to connect" errors
dh> while retrieving email.

dh> Can someone enlighten me?

Solved this by running POPFile as a service, using the non-win version
of POPFile, cygwin and cygrunsrv.

This should work great now..


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Re: Delete not happening...

[ken green]

Chris wrote:
> I just tried this. I got it to work. However, I have, in the account
> preferences, mapped the Trash folder to an IMAP folder. Also, I have
> no filters.

Thanks. I' ll try this. I guess that makes sense, actually. I think I
was using a local Trash folder. I guess I'm still lost on this whole
IMAP concept


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>>  Ken Green
> Your cut mark is broken.

Thanks.  Since I am using 1.62r on my desktop and 2.03 CE on my laptop,
I have sometimes manually changed my signature so people will understand
the issue I'm describing.

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Re: Delete not happening...

[Chris]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 10:19:06 PM, ken green wrote in the
message "Delete not happening..."
:

> IMAP account >> Account Properties > Deletion > Normal Deletion:
> "Move messages to the Trash folder"

> Trying to delete three messages.  Delete key does not work.  Selecting
> all three, right-click, Delete not working.

> Synchronize all folders doesn't help.  Shut down TB, restart, connect to
> IMAP server, try again.

> *TWO* of the messages will delete, but not a third one.

> There are all three test messages (testing Read filters) in plain text
> with no attachments.

> What is going on??!?
I just tried this. I got it to work. However, I have, in the account
preferences, mapped the Trash folder to an IMAP folder. Also, I have
no filters.

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Delete not happening...

[ken green]

IMAP account >> Account Properties > Deletion > Normal Deletion:

"Move messages to the Trash folder"

Trying to delete three messages.  Delete key does not work.  Selecting
all three, right-click, Delete not working.

Synchronize all folders doesn't help.  Shut down TB, restart, connect to
IMAP server, try again.

*TWO* of the messages will delete, but not a third one.

There are all three test messages (testing Read filters) in plain text
with no attachments.

What is going on??!?

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Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[ken green]

Allie Martin wrote:
> It currently doesn't work automatically on incoming Inbox messages.
> This is being worked on.

OK.  Manual is better than nothing, I suppose... :)



> Read and replied filters do work automatically though.

Not my experience.  But I could have done something wrong.  I will test
this some more.  How are you marking items as read?

I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts)
Read filters.  I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND
UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I
mark them.  <-- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way.




kg>> Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly,
kg>> that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed*
kg>> to be handled by TB?

> No. Autofiltering of newly added mail to the INBOX should be possible.

Well, like I said, I'll be happy if I can get autofiltering on READ
messages to work.



kg>> That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local
kg>> filters don't make sense?

> They most definitely do. In fact, currently, anything you do with
> messages locally are reflected on the server when synchronising. So
> manual filtering, flagging, moving and copying of messages, all when
> done locally, is reflected server side during the sync process.

What about folders that are not on the server? Are they automatically
created during the sync process? What about folders set to NOT sync? It
looks like moving items to folders not set to sync marks the item for
deletion. I will double-check that behavior, but that is what I want -
if I move a message to a common folder for reference/archiving/etc.,
marking it for deletion on the server - only after the move - would be
great.

This would allow messages to download throughout the day to my desktop
and still allow access remotely - using Read or manual filters on the
desktop, messages wouldn't get moved until I read/processed them, so
they wouldn't be deleted.

Hope that makes sense.



kg>> Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a
kg>> local folder with a filter?  This seems like a reasonable request. ;)

> We'll have to patient where this is concerned.

Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :)  I
can be patient if the read filters will work.  I have not installed any
betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read
filters didn't work?



> Currently, I use server side filters in addition to local read filters
> to filter my mail.

What do you mean by server side filters?  If you're talking about
server-side admin because you have full access to your mail server, then
never mind - I don't have that kind of access.

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Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..

[Allie Martin]

ken green wrote:

kg> Should Sorting Office work with IMAP accounts?

It currently doesn't work automatically on incoming Inbox messages.

This is being worked on.

kg> Because in v1.62r filters work fine, but in v2.02.3 CE filters
kg> (both Incoming and Read) do not work for IMAP accounts.

The do work, but you have to run them manually.

Read and replied filters do work automatically though.

kg> Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly,
kg> that's not much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed*
kg> to be handled by TB?

No. Autofiltering of newly added mail to the INBOX should be possible.

kg> That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local
kg> filters don't make sense?

They most definitely do. In fact, currently, anything you do with
messages locally are reflected on the server when synchronising. So
manual filtering, flagging, moving and copying of messages, all when
done locally, is reflected server side during the sync process.

kg> Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a
kg> local folder with a filter?  This seems like a reasonable request. ;)

We'll have to patient where this is concerned.

Currently, I use server side filters in addition to local read filters
to filter my mail.

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Re[2]: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Peter,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:22:47 PM, you wrote:

PM> I didn't try memo auto-view yet. You can always hit ++I
PM> to open a memo for a message.

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IMAP and Sorting Office..

[ken green]

Should Sorting Office work with IMAP accounts?  Because in v1.62r
filters work fine, but in v2.02.3 CE filters (both Incoming and Read) do
not work for IMAP accounts.

Now, knowing what I know about the IMAP protocol (admittedly, that's not
much...) is this the way IMAP accounts are *supposed* to be handled by
TB? That is, if IMAP is for managing mail on the server, the local
filters don't make sense?

Is there a way to download mail from an IMAP account and move it to a
local folder with a filter?  This seems like a reasonable request. ;)

If I manually move a message to a local folder (Common folder) while
connected to the IMAP server, that message gets marked for deletion.
This is what I want.  But can I get this using Sorting Office?

Obviously, I don't want to manually apply all my filters.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> Did it find any spam?  I don't think that the folder was created until
> it actually discovered some spam.


Interesting... That would make sense.. ;)  I created a top-level
spamtrap folder anyway.

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Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> Also, Ken, please note that my experience with TB and SpamPal is with
> version 2.02.  I have no idea how all this will work with version 1.6.


Sorry for the confusion.  I am running two versions of The Bat on my
desktop and laptop.  My laptop has The Bat 2.03 CE installed and that's
where I'm trying out SpamPal.

The documentation for SpamPal *does* state that IMAP support for The Bat
is for version 2 and above..

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Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Maksym Kozub]

Hello Carsten,

On Mon, Jan 26 2004, 0:52:14 you wrote:

>> That sounds wrong.

CT> Huh? This is the way good mail clients work. It is not wrong at all.

It _is_ wrong. See my other messages in this thread, where I clearly
demonstrate that 1) there is actually _nothing_ in RFC2045 preventing
a MUA from encoding low ASCII characters in whatever encoding and
forcing it to US-ASCII, and 2) failure to do that on MUA's part
results in various inconveniences for some users, and those
inconveniences are actually _not_ forced by RFC compliance. That's why
I describe this as "maybe wrong understanding of RFCs" on behalf of
MUAs' authors (not only those of The Bat!, seems to be).

Regards,
Maksym.

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Re: Problems Installing K9

[dAniel hAhler]

on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:17:10 + Doug Weller wrote:

DW>   My wife is trying to install K9 on 1.63.  It looks set up correctly,
DW>   but she gets the message 'Cannot connect to server'.

DW> Any suggestions as to where we may have gone wrong?

look at the port and IP settings in TheBat, if it's the same as on what K9 is
listening.


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[OT] POPFile on multiple Windows XP accounts

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello bats,

I created another user account on my Windows XP account, which should
also use POPFile for spam filtering, but since I set this up, there
happen a lot "Server not reachable" and "Unable to connect" errors
while retrieving email.

I put POPFile into the "All Users" startup account and gave full
access to the POPFile directory for all users.

Can someone enlighten me?


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Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> Maksym Kozub wrote:

> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use:

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r /
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit"

> but TB changes it to

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

> That sounds wrong.

Huh? This is the way good mail clients work. It is not wrong at all.

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Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:26:42 PM, you wrote:

kg> Ken Green
kg>  Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4


Also, Ken, please note that my experience with TB and SpamPal is with
version 2.02.  I have no idea how all this will work with version 1.6.

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Re: IMAP and SpamPal setup

[ken green]

FWIW, anyone setting up SpamPal on The Bat should shut down and re-start
TB after setting up an IMAP server the first time.

I thought it was an upgrade/latest version issue, but it happened again
with the second IMAP account I set up. I would get login errors trying
to connect to the IMAP server right after setting up the account.
Closing TB and re-starting fixed the problem.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:06:24 PM, you wrote:

kg> However, I don't see the inbox.spamtrap folder that was supposed to get
kg> created.


Did it find any spam?  I don't think that the folder was created until
it actually discovered some spam.

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Re[2]: Searching Log Files

[Michael S. Greenbaum]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, Roelof Otten wrote:

> You can access the log file from disk in:
> C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Accountname\Account.log
> Accountname needs to be substituted with the name of the account.
> On my system I've associated .log files with Notepad, so double
> clicking does the trick for me.

I tried that and it worked easily.  Thanks for the advice.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
>   Just follow the same instructions as with POP.  Set your Transport
>   settings as follows:


I have SpamPal set up and it seems to be working.  My first try resulted
in connection/login problems, but I was using SpamPal 1.50.  When I
upgraded to the most recent version (1.53), the connection problems went
away.

However, I don't see the inbox.spamtrap folder that was supposed to get
created.  I have shut down and restarted The Bat, tried synching all
folders, showing all folders... still no inbox.spamtrap folder.

Should I just create that?  I just now verified that this doesn't seem
like a TB problem - I just checked the account via IMAP web interface
and that folder is not there.

Advice?

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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello ken,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:36:17 PM, you wrote:

kg> I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :(

  "Having trouble" is too broad an expression.  It works.  I just get
  those occasional access violations, which occur occasionally when
  using the "Manage IMAP Folders" function.


kg> but would you
kg> mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up
kg> SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP?

  Just follow the same instructions as with POP.  Set your Transport
  settings as follows:

  SMTP Server:  127.0.0.1 (Provided you've set SpamPal up to process
  outgoing mail - see below)
  Mail Server:  127.0.0.1
  User: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  SpamPal is pre-configured to process IMAP mail to port 143.  Make
  sure that you have the latest version of SpamPal.

  Also, check the instructions on the SpamPal site:
  http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html




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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

ken green wrote:
> I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :(  but would you
> mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up
> SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP?


Sorry.  Please disregard.  I was thinking of something else.  Spampal
claims to work with POP or IMAP accounts.  I stopped using it before
because I didn't like the changing of subject lines (for false
positives).  I have since seen that you can disable this and filter on
the SpamPal header entry.

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Re: Searching Log Files

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:59:14 -0700GMT (25-1-04, 19:59 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MSG> Is there any way of searching within the log file in TB?

Not that I'm aware of.

MSG> I know I could copy and paste the file to a word processor, but I'd
MSG> rather search the log file itself.

You can access the log file from disk in:
C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Accountname\Account.log
Accountname needs to be substituted with the name of the account.
On my system I've associated .log files with Notepad, so double
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Deborah,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:29:52 +GMT (25-1-04, 11:29 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

DW> Hmmm...not really. I keep one folder for all personal correspondence,
DW> but my personal correspondence come in on various accounts, so I read
DW> it by account, then do the F12-choose-the-folder thing. But there's no
DW> common feature that I could filter on :-/

You'll only need the same filter in all of your accounts.
You don't need a common feature, just check 'Execute action set of
this rule by pressing the Hot Key' at the 'Options' tab and make sure
that you also check 'This rule is only executed by pressing the
hotkey' In order to neglect the filter conditions you must have 'Check
the selected message against this rule' unchecked.

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Re: IMAP and spam

[ken green]

Steve Thomas wrote:
> Spampal automatically set-up an IMAP
> folder called inbox.spamtrap.  All the suggested spam goes in there. I
> found that to be very interesting.


Did you do anything different when setting this up?  Or was the only
different in The Bat! that it's using the IMAP protocol?

I know you are having trouble with IMAP in general :(  but would you
mind posting any relevant details/hints/instructions for setting up
SpamPal in The Bat using IMAP?

Thanks.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Mark!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:17 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :)

MW> Ouch.

Apologies. Truly wasn't aiming at you with that set of letters
(m-a-r-k). You know what? I'm only one letter off your name in my own
(m-a-r-y). I may have just shot myself in the foot--or put my foot in
my mouth, or something. 



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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mark Wieder]

Mary-

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:44:41 AM, you wrote:

MRB> Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :)

Ouch.

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Problems Installing K9

[Doug Weller]

Hello,

  My wife is trying to install K9 on 1.63.  It looks set up correctly,
  but she gets the message 'Cannot connect to server'.

Any suggestions as to where we may have gone wrong?

Thanks.

Doug

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Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Jean!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:49 PM, you wrote:

JS> Thanks Mary

JS> OK. I'LL ask next question on Tbot.

I know you tried! As I just wrote to Henk, I had a long phone call
from my sister, and it's made me a little late answering you.

>> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make
>> it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

JS> I understand that I can't use your"Reply to:" address!

No. That idea of mine didn't work. tbudl over-wrote what I had put in
Reply-to with its own address.

TF>>Just FYI! ;-)

JS> What FYI stands for ?

Thomas Fernandez, a long-time subscriber and poster, was saying, "For
Your Information," and sort of teasing me for not realizing the
situation about Reply-to already.

JS> For continuing on Tbot what can I do?

Try this for right now:

Set up a new message window and in the To: field copy this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For the subject line copy this:

Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]

Then do Select All on this post and copy-and-paste it into your new
message. That way you will be starting a new thread, where we can
answer your questions on tbot.

At least I hope that perhaps this will work.

Reply to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:40 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
MRB>> moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot ...

HdB> For me English is also not my first language. So I would love to have the
HdB> opportunity to ask about translations and interpretations. I am
HdB> reading TBOT as well, so if we can go there with our questions. Maybe
HdB> we could agree to some kind of easy to understand or recognize
HdB> threadname?

I am sorry to be so late with this Reply. I had a long phone call from
my sister in the interval between your post and my seeing it.

I am trying Paul Cartwright's suggestion of a CC to tbot.

A tentative new name for the thread is in the subject line of this
post. I will be happy to go with whatever everyone thinks the new
thread should be named.

Also, if only, as with Paul, a copy-and-paste will work, you could
copy-and-paste this and manually put in the Subject line and Reply to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I will be most happy to try to answer any questions you have, that I'm
able to, and I'm sure many others on tbot will feel the same as I do
about trying to give this kind of help.

Thanks for asking. :)

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Re[2]: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Maksym Kozub]

Hello Thomas,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:41:42 you wrote:

TF> OK, let's read on:

>> Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm:
>> 
>> "If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always
>> putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default
>> encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter
>> and spirit of RFCs.

TF> The others confirm that's so in the RFCs.

In fact, that's _not_ what the RFCs say. See below.

>> I would recommend to replace one of Latin "a"'s with a Russian "а" -
>> this would be sufficient to cope with your problem.

TF> Here you have a work-around that should solve your problem for the
TF> time being.

TF> But having read the discussion you kindly translated, I don't consider
TF> it a bug in TB. Because TB behauves RFC-conform (if what was said in
TF> the thread from the forum is true, I didn't check it).

That workaround is needed _only_ because The Bat! misinterprets the
RFCs (see below). That's an important part of my whole point.

TF> The work-around is therefore for an RFC, which I - as you - think
TF> should be altered. The correct way is to write to the author of the
TF> RFC rather than asking Ritlabs to violate it. I believe they have a
TF> right to be proud of their RFC-compliance. If an RFC doesn't make
TF> sense, it ought to be changed rather than ignored. IMHO.

The whole matter is this: I _don't_ think that RFC should be altered,
but I would like to take the liberty to say there is a wrong
understanding shown by The Bat!, and by the discussion participants,
of what _is_ said in that RFC. Let's have one more look at RFC2045
now. What does it say? It says:

"2.7. 7bit Data
"7bit data" refers to data that is all represented as relatively short
lines with 998 octets or less between CRLF line separation sequences
[RFC-821]. No octets with decimal values greater than 127 are allowed
and neither are NULs (octets with decimal value 0). CR (decimal value
13) and LF (decimal value 10) octets only occur as part of CRLF line
separation sequences.
2.8. 8bit Data
"8bit data" refers to data that is all represented as relatively short
lines with 998 octets or less between CRLF line separation sequences
[RFC-821]), but octets with decimal values greater than 127 may be
used. As with "7bit data" CR and LF octets only occur as part of CRLF
line separation sequences and no NULs are allowed."

To keep it short: "7bit data should _never_ ever contain 127 and up.
8bit data _may_ contain 127 and up."

Does it say "8bit data _should always_ contain 127 and up"? _No_.

Does it say "Whatever does not contain 127 and up _is always_ 7bit
data"? _No_.

When I type the Latin letter "t", am I typing "7bit data"? _Not
necessarily_. It may be represented as 7-bit, 8-bit, UTF-7, UTF-8...
Of course, if there is a Russian character in the same message, then
the message cannot be encoded as US-ASCII anymore - see RFC2045 above.
However, if there is nothing but low ASCII in that message, - please
show me why, based on the definitions from RFC2045 quoted above, it
cannot be encoded as 8bit KOI8-R, or Win-1252, or UTF-8...

Hope you get my point. Any high ASCII letter can never be 7bit data, -
that's right, and that's what RFC2045 says. What it does _not_ say is
that low ASCII (like the Latin letter "t") is intrinsically bound to
be represented as US-ASCII, and _not_ as KOI8-R or even UTF-8, for
that matter.

And I think it is not by chance. The RFC creator understood it very
clearly that if a character (like that poor "t" :) ) exists in various
encodings, then it can be encoded in any of those. Period.

Regards,
Maksym.

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Re[2]: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Jean Site]

Hello Mary,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:01:59 PM, you wrote:

MRB> Hello Thomas!

MRB> On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:50 AM, you wrote:

>>> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make it
>>> easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

TF>> I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list
TF>> server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address.

MRB> Yes, spotted that when I looked at my message to Jean on this list. :/

TF>> Just FYI! ;-)

MRB> Thanks a bunch. :) Well, I tried! I guess I could have put the Reply
MRB> to in the message body, as a work-around?

MRB> Jean seems like an interesting addition to the TB! conversation group.
MRB> Also, by his full-quote rule violation, I judge he's pretty new to
MRB> posting with us.

MRB> I hope he'll write to us on tbot soon. :)

MRB> Please reply to:

MRB>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

MRB> :)


Thanks Mary

OK. I'LL ask next question on Tbot.


> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make 
> it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

I don't see your "Reply to:" address. But what do I do?  

> I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list
> server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address.

I just hit reply!
I just hit reply, and I get you here!

I understand that I can't use your"Reply to:" address!

>Just FYI! ;-)
What FYI stands for ?

For continuing on Tbot what can I do?

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Henk de Bruijn]

Hallo Mary,

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 5:32:32 PM, you wrote:


translation/interpretation


MRB> Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
MRB> moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told
MRB> to, Jean?

For me English is also not my first language. So I would love to have the
opportunity to ask about translations and interpretations. I am
reading TBOT as well, so if we can go there with our questions. Maybe
we could agree to some kind of easy to understand or recognize
threadname?

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Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Henk de Bruijn]

Hallo Peter,

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:22:08 PM, you wrote:

HdB>> How can I help?

> Go to the above link and tell them you'd want that too.

Done!

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Re: Folder Maintenance freezes?

[Deborah W]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:12:07 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Maybe the folder where the maintenance center "freezes" over at
TF> your place is such a folder?

Nope - it's an email address I use only for Yahoo Groups, & since I'm
subscribed to very few Yahoo Groups where attachments aren't stripped,
there are very few attachments in that account. And there were *no*
messages in the folder, & only 822 within the entire account - perhaps
100 more before I purged it.

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Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Henk,

on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:05:21 +0100GMT (25.01.04, 20:05 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

 But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message
 in the message base.

TF>>> This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to
TF>>> put in a wishlist item to make it optional?

>> I did quite some time ago, but no one supported it yet...
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168

HdB> How can I help?

Go to the above link and tell them you'd want that too.

Btw, my apologies to Thomas4000 who already gave a supporting vote, so
it's not no one supported it but one did. But this may not be
enough... *S*

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Re: Folder Maintenance freezes?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Deborah,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:03:57 + GMT (26/01/2004, 02:03 +0700 GMT),
Deborah W wrote:

> Several times when I've used the Folder Maintenance feature to purge &
> compress folders, it has got part-way through, then frozen. It's not
> finished, but it's not moving. Leaving it for several minutes makes no
> difference,

I have one folder where this happens. It is a folder with a lot of
attachments to the messages, usually MS Office files. It takes several
minutes to purge&compress. I'm serious, minutes. But eventually, the
process continues.

Maybe the folder where the maintenance center "freezes" over at your
place is such a folder?

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Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Henk de Bruijn]

Hallo Peter,

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:09:17 PM, you wrote:

>>> But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message
>>> in the message base.

TF>> This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to
TF>> put in a wishlist item to make it optional?

> I did quite some time ago, but no one supported it yet...
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168

How can I help?

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Folder Maintenance freezes?

[Deborah W]

Several times when I've used the Folder Maintenance feature to purge &
compress folders, it has got part-way through, then frozen. It's not
finished, but it's not moving. Leaving it for several minutes makes no
difference, & although the "stop" button appears to be available, it
doesn't do anything. Clicking on the X to close the window works.
Repeating the procedure results in a freeze at the same place, & when
I exclude that account, it just freezes on another account. Exiting TB
& re-starting it seems to have solved the problem.

Bug?

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Searching Log Files

[Michael S. Greenbaum]

Is there any way of searching within the log file in TB?

I know I could copy and paste the file to a word processor, but I'd
rather search the log file itself.

I tried F7, but that doesn't work, nor does the Windows search which
is normally invoked by CTRL-F.

I using TB 2.01.3 Business edition on a PC running XP Professional.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Richard!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:30 PM, you wrote:

JS>> I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

RW> Sorry I didn't ignore you. I've just been out all the time ...

I figured that, Richard, and the same for Miguel. :) Was delighted at
the opportunity to play with words and possibly make a new on-line
friend. :)

RW> ... and see that Mary provided a quite excellent answer to my use
RW> of slang words. ...

Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :)

RW> ... I'm sure she was also inwardly cringing at my terrible use of
RW> the English language at the same time :-)

I *was* *not*! My goodness, what a thing to say! I really enjoy
slang--have a private stash of my own, both inherited and acquired.
And for a native UK speaker, you do okay with English. 

If Jean's still reading this thread, I hope he will know that I'm only
teasing with that last sentence. Both on-line and in person I have
found your use of English impeccable, and a conversation with you is
always a pure joy. :)

Ah well, also: so much for my efforts to take this to tbot. :/

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maksym,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:02:39 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 01:02 +0700 GMT),
Maksym Kozub wrote:

TF>> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

> Yep. Looks exactly so.

TF>> That sounds wrong.

> For me too.

OK, let's read on:

> Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm:
> 
> "If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always
> putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default
> encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter
> and spirit of RFCs.

The others confirm that's so in the RFCs.

> I would recommend to replace one of Latin "a"'s with a Russian "а" -
> this would be sufficient to cope with your problem.

Here you have a work-around that should solve your problem for the
time being.

But having read the discussion you kindly translated, I don't consider
it a bug in TB. Because TB behauves RFC-conform (if what was said in
the thread from the forum is true, I didn't check it).

The work-around is therefore for an RFC, which I - as you - think
should be altered. The correct way is to write to the author of the
RFC rather than asking Ritlabs to violate it. I believe they have a
right to be proud of their RFC-compliance. If an RFC doesn't make
sense, it ought to be changed rather than ignored. IMHO.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:16 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that
MRB>> extra list.

M> Nah, that's probably just an excuse ;-)

Now you tell me! Right when I'm in the middle of trying to welcome
this great new guy into our conversations!!

BTW, did I translate you and RW correctly?

M> Hm! I can smell your coffee from here, smells so good! ;-)

Ah, yes, I sent its spirit winging your way. Wish I could zap myself
immediately to sunny Spain, out of this cold Middle Tennessee winter
and bring you a whole potful, along with a refrigerator full of, what
else? Beer. :)

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Re: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Dennis,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:19:09 -0800 GMT (26/01/2004, 01:19 +0700 GMT),
Dennis W. Greer wrote:

Just a bit off this particular topic:

> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:43:01 +0700 GMT (1/25/2004, 8:43 AM +0700 GMT),
> Thomas Fernandez wrote:

Same time zone? I must have been writing for 15 hours...

You should change the hard-coded +0700 in the parenthesis to -0800,
which is your time zone. ;-)

> Thanks, that was indeed the problem.

Glad I could help.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

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Hello Jean,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 you wrote in 

> On Sunday i am trying to improve my english.
> I need help.

> I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

Sorry I didn't ignore you. I've just been out all the time and see that
Mary provided a quite excellent answer to my use of slang words. I'm
sure she was also inwardly cringing at my terrible use of the English
language at the same time :-)

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Re[2]: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section

[Dennis W. Greer]

Hello Thomas,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:43:01 +0700 GMT (1/25/2004, 8:43 AM +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:



>> The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the
>> report every time I start and stop The Bat.

TF> Options / Preferences / General / [X] Start Program after System Halt

Thanks, that was indeed the problem.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that
> extra list.

Nah, that's probably just an excuse ;-)

Hm! I can smell your coffee from here, smells so good! ;-)

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MicroEd Specific Options

[nezard]

Hello,

When I am editing a message I want from The Bat! to:

1) Automatically change line at column 73
3) Justify Text after line auto-wrap
4) Change Paragraph automatically. (After I press Enter). And when I say
change paragraph I mean, continue writing at the very next line after leaving
3 or 4 spaces.

What MicroEd Options should I enable/disable to be able to compose a
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Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Thomas,

on Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:53:41 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 18:53 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message
>> in the message base.

TF> This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to
TF> put in a wishlist item to make it optional?

I did quite some time ago, but no one supported it yet...
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:50 AM, you wrote:

>> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make it
>> easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

TF> I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list
TF> server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address.

Yes, spotted that when I looked at my message to Jean on this list. :/

TF> Just FYI! ;-)

Thanks a bunch. :) Well, I tried! I guess I could have put the Reply
to in the message body, as a work-around?

Jean seems like an interesting addition to the TB! conversation group.
Also, by his full-quote rule violation, I judge he's pretty new to
posting with us.

I hope he'll write to us on tbot soon. :)

Please reply to:

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

:)

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(LONGISH) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Maksym Kozub]

Hello Thomas,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 г. 18:39:19 you wrote:

TF> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use:

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r /
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit"

TF> but TB changes it to

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

TF> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

Yep. Looks exactly so.

TF> That sounds wrong.

For me too. However, based on the bug No. 2343 which I also mentioned,
as well as on the Russian discussion I mentioned on the bugtraq, some
people think this behaviour (completely unacceptable for me) is
absolutely OK.

TF> But let me ask you *how* you have set TB to the first setting to being
TF> with.

Well, there is that "Use Character set" in account templates, as well
as "Message encoding" when composing a message... If I choose a
charset in those 2 places, I think that means I want to be in the
specified charset, and since it is an 8-bit charset, I think it also
means I want it to be "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit". (To be
strict, I don't think I indicate "Content-Type: text/plain" directly
anywhere, - I simply use a plain text message editor. but thanks God,
The Bat! does not change that anyway :))) ). You may also want to have
a look at the bugtraq link I provided, where I list in every detail
the steps required to reproduce this. By the way, a fellow TBUDL
subscriber has already added a note there saying it's the same with
Latin-9 (ISO-8859-15) encoding.

Of course, feel free to ask for any additional info.

The following are thing s you may be not so interested in, but still.
I will now quote some parts of those discussions here (in my English
translation). Those are public discussions anyway, so I think that's
OK.

First, there was a discussion at
http://www.forum.nobat.ru/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1361
, from which I myself got first information on that problem. People
complained about this sort of TB! behaviour, saying it is still the
same with Windows-1251 charset, it is still the same if you include
"%charset" in your templates, whatever.

Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm:

"If all characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always
putting us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default
encoding. This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter
and spirit of RFCs. I would recommend to replace one of Latin "a"'s
with a Russian "а" - this would be sufficient to cope with your
problem. In general terms, this is a problem with Outglitch (=Outlook
- M.K.)... (skipped - M.K.)"

Sokol, Dec 03, 2003, 09:30:29 am:

Alexander Kiselev on Dec 02, 2003, 07:28:24 pm wrote: "If all
characters in a message are us-ascii, then Bat has been always putting
us-ascii in message headers, irrespective of the default encoding.
This is by the way in complete accordance with the letter and spirit
of RFCs."

I don't seem to remember seeing such things there. Would you kindly
remind me where exactly it says so?.. (skipped - M.K.)"

Alexandr Kiselev, administrator, Dec 03, 2003, 08:15:47 pm:

RFC2045, see the definition of 7bit data and 8bit data. Yours are 7bit
data, so they're encoded under RFC822, i.e. us-ascii.

Moreover, I purposely check, and Pegasus for example uses exactly the
same logic as The Bat!. Same for Becky. So don't tell me this is
wrong. You can install some smtp-gateway like Xray, and change
forcefully the respective header field. I cannot give any other
advice. Oh well... If you have honestly purchased your Outglitch, then
you can complain to Microsoft. Let them patch their mistake."

Vadim, administrator, Dec 05, 2003, 10:54:21 am:

...It is for this very reason that monsters like Microsoft write
programs which do not correspond to standards that people like ypu
appear... IMHO, there is a standard, so it must be complied with. And
all clients comly with it, while Microsoft invents something of their
own and most people comply with that for some [incomprehensible]
reasons..."

I got a feeling of all that being definitely a wrong approach, and
started a new thread at
http://www.forum.nobat.ru/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=1564
:

Me on Jan 14, 2004, 03:42:05 pm :

(arguments like those provided in the previous message, aa well as in
my bugtraq message, skipped...) "...So this is a really illogical
behaviour of The Bat!, and if Pegasus and Becky use the same logic...
it doesn't mean the logic itself is correct. By the way, regarding
Pegasus... Harris puts it in the help files: "Allow 8-bit MIME
encodings" "If you check this control, Pegasus Mail will generate MIME
messages using the MIME "8

Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:22:47 +0100 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:22 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

> But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message
> in the message base.

This used to be the default, and it was criticised. Maybe you want to
put in a wishlist item to make it optional?

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:37:31 -0600 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:37 +0700 GMT),
Mary R Bull wrote:

> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make it
> easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list
server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address.

Just FYI! ;-)

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Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:30:51 +0100 GMT (26/01/2004, 00:30 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

TF>> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

TF>> That sounds wrong.

> That's exactly what happens here with my default setting of Latin-9
> (ISO-8859-15).

Then it sounds like a bug to me. I cannot imagine how this can be
desired.

> Have a look at this message's source.

Did. Says us-ascii. :-(

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Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: I kinda like my Bat :))

[Allie Martin]

Jean Site, [JS] wrote:

JS> Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the
JS> inevitable moderator's reminder.

Thanks. But another reminder. :) Ouch.


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jean.

Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient
trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer
remain in the quoted text.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Jean!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:12 AM, you wrote. in part:

JS> This helps. Thanks Mary.

You're welcome. :)

And then you wrote, quoting me:

JS> ["]Shall we take this to tbot without being told to, Jean?["]
JS> Are you suggesting that this question is better for tbot than for tbuld?

Yes, I really think it is. Are you subscribed there? If not, here's
the "mail to:" address for subscribing:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make it
easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

Of course, it's possible that the moderators would not regard this
conversation as off-topic for tbudl. Sometimes my mind--out of being
wary of transgressing :) --interprets tbudl's rules more strictly than
the moderators do. :)

Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that
extra list. So, since you were originally Replying to a MAU (Miguel)
posting, it was entirely appropriate for you to ask your questions for
the first time on this list, where the expressions that were puzzling
you were being used. I just thought that now, we might move it to
tbot. In case there were some more expressions that you wanted to have
explained.

All the best to you, Jean. :)

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Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Thomas,

on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:39:19 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 17:39 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

TF> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use:

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r /
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit"

TF> but TB changes it to

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

TF> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

Here's the same with high ASCII character.

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Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Thomas,

on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:39:19 +0700GMT (25.01.04, 17:39 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the
>> message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values
>> higher than 127, then TB! would just make it "Content-Type:
>> text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit", when
>> queuing that message in Outbox.
TF> [...]

TF> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use:

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r /
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit"

TF> but TB changes it to

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

TF> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

TF> That sounds wrong.

That's exactly what happens here with my default setting of Latin-9
(ISO-8859-15).

Have a look at this message's source. I won't use any umlauts, the
charset will be set to us-ascii. I had to change my tagline though...

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Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Richard,

on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:12:07 +0500GMT (25.01.04, 17:12 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> My only workaround as yet is to c&p the decrypted message to the Memo
PM>> field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to support my
PM>> related wish:

RHS> How can I access the memo field?  My view menu (2.02.3CE) doesn't show
RHS> the memo auto-view function. How can I access it? The solution above
RHS> may not be "elegant", but it's good enough for me if I can get it to
RHS> work.

I didn't try memo auto-view yet. You can always hit ++I
to open a memo for a message.

I set up a view mode in Options/Preferences/Message Lists/View Modes
including the memo field and applied it via folder properties.

But it would be much nicer to be able to store the decrypted message
in the message base.

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Re[2]: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Jean Site]

Hello Mary,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 5:32:32 PM, you wrote:

MRB> Hello Jean!

MRB> On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:57 AM, you wrote:

R Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to
R give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me
R down that path! ;-)

M>>> Have a nice weekend ;-)

JS>> On Sunday i am trying to improve my english.
JS>> I need help.

MRB> Since Miguel hasn't answered yet, nor so far anyone else that I see on
MRB> my tbudl folder, I'll give it a try. I live in the U.S., born in
MRB> Texas, now residing in Tennessee. I've been with TB! for going on two
MRB> years now. One of the most wonderful things to me about the mailing
MRB> lists are the messages coming from people whose native language is not
MRB> my own. I've been learning so very much from all of you.

MRB> So, I want to try to help on this.

JS>> I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

JS>> I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title

MRB> It's a sort of humor. "Kinda" means "sort of" or "somewhat." It's an
MRB> understatement. What's really meant is "I like my e-mail client, *The
MRB> Bat!* very, very, very much, in spite of its few things that need
MRB> fixing."

JS>> I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document
JS>> would you?

MRB> Roughly translated, this means: I don't suppose you would want to
MRB> write a message that explains how to do this, would you?

JS>> Nah! Chickened out

MRB> "Chickened out" is a slang expression, used in a derisive tone of
MRB> voice. It means that the recipient who is accused of "chickening out"
MRB> has become scared of doing a particular thing, or has seen the
MRB> particular thing as too difficult, and so has changed his mind. He
MRB> will now not do what he had said he was going to do.

MRB> So, he's basically being called a coward. To be "chicken" is to be
MRB> "cowardly."

MRB> And, since he said this of himself, he's just indulging in a bit of
MRB> humor, perhaps to forestall being teased about deciding not to give up
MRB> a whole weekend to learning this new thing.

JS>> I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks

MRB> This is a metaphor: his hands are hovering over--meaning, in a
MRB> position just above--these keys on the keyboard. It means he'll go on
MRB> using them rather than go through the long process of learning a new
MRB> (although possibly better) way.

JS>> Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds

MRB> "Oh heck" is a mild euphemism for "Oh hell."

MRB> To get "sucked into" something means to have been fooled or lured into
MRB> it, against one's better judgment.

MRB> "The wonders of WindowBlinds" is a partly ironic expression. He's
MRB> fascinated, but it's going to take up so much of his time to learn to
MRB> use this program that he's rueful, also.

JS>> And

JS>> in "I do, but YMMV" What stands YMMV for

MRB> YMMV stands for "your mileage may vary." Again, this is a figure of
MRB> speech, taken from the automobile industry. It means, in this context,
MRB> that "you may not have the same experience which I've had with this."

JS>> Thanks for help

MRB> My pleasure, if it is truly a help!  I'm retired from teaching
MRB> elementary school--the last 10 years of my service was with 10-,11-, and
MRB> 12-year-old youngsters in the sixth grade.

MRB> I hope--given this background--that I haven't "talked down" to you.

MRB> My undergraduate degree is in English Literature. I love to the point
MRB> of passion dealing with words and their backgrounds and meanings. :)

MRB> Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
MRB> moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told
MRB> to, Jean?

This helps. Thanks Mary.

Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told
to, Jean?

Are you suggesting that this question is better for tbot than for tbuld?



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Re: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Dennis,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:33:57 -0800 GMT (25/01/2004, 23:33 +0700 GMT),
Dennis W. Greer wrote:

> The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the
> report every time I start and stop The Bat.

Options / Preferences / General / [X] Start Program after System Halt

will put an entry in the RunOnce regkey when you start TB. It will
delete the entry if TB is closed normally. The idea is that TB starts
automatically upon reboot in case of a system crash.

Take the tickmark off and you won't get the report any more.

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Re: TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

At 11:33 AM on 1/25/2004, Dennis W. Greer typed ...

D> The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the
D> report every time I start and stop The Bat. If I block the alteration
D> The Bat opens looking normal but won't receive mail.

D> If I accept the alteration The Bat works normally. Does anyone have an
D> idea what is going on?

That's similar to my question from a week or two ago, so I think I
can answer it.

Options - Preferences - General
Make sure "Start program after system halt" is NOT checked.

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Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maksym,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:07:51 +0200 GMT (25/01/2004, 22:07 +0700 GMT),
Maksym Kozub wrote:

> If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the
> message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values
> higher than 127, then TB! would just make it "Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit", when
> queuing that message in Outbox.
[...]

Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use:

> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r /
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit"

but TB changes it to

> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

That sounds wrong.

But let me ask you *how* you have set TB to the first setting to being
with.

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TheBat Attempt to alter the autostart section

[Dennis W. Greer]

Hello TheBat! List,

The below is from Ad-watch Logfile, exported on 1/25/2004. I get the
report every time I start and stop The Bat. If I block the alteration
The Bat opens looking normal but won't receive mail.

If I accept the alteration The Bat works normally. Does anyone have an
idea what is going on?

1/25/2004 8:22:46 AM - Registry modification detected
Root:HKEY_CURRENT_USER
Key:Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce
Value:The Bat!
Data:
New Data:D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe

Attempt to alter the autostart section (Accepted)
  

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Jean!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:57 AM, you wrote:

R>>> Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to
R>>> give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me
R>>> down that path! ;-)

M>> Have a nice weekend ;-)

JS> On Sunday i am trying to improve my english.
JS> I need help.

Since Miguel hasn't answered yet, nor so far anyone else that I see on
my tbudl folder, I'll give it a try. I live in the U.S., born in
Texas, now residing in Tennessee. I've been with TB! for going on two
years now. One of the most wonderful things to me about the mailing
lists are the messages coming from people whose native language is not
my own. I've been learning so very much from all of you.

So, I want to try to help on this.

JS> I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

JS> I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title

It's a sort of humor. "Kinda" means "sort of" or "somewhat." It's an
understatement. What's really meant is "I like my e-mail client, *The
Bat!* very, very, very much, in spite of its few things that need
fixing."

JS> I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document
JS> would you?

Roughly translated, this means: I don't suppose you would want to
write a message that explains how to do this, would you?

JS> Nah! Chickened out

"Chickened out" is a slang expression, used in a derisive tone of
voice. It means that the recipient who is accused of "chickening out"
has become scared of doing a particular thing, or has seen the
particular thing as too difficult, and so has changed his mind. He
will now not do what he had said he was going to do.

So, he's basically being called a coward. To be "chicken" is to be
"cowardly."

And, since he said this of himself, he's just indulging in a bit of
humor, perhaps to forestall being teased about deciding not to give up
a whole weekend to learning this new thing.

JS> I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks

This is a metaphor: his hands are hovering over--meaning, in a
position just above--these keys on the keyboard. It means he'll go on
using them rather than go through the long process of learning a new
(although possibly better) way.

JS> Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds

"Oh heck" is a mild euphemism for "Oh hell."

To get "sucked into" something means to have been fooled or lured into
it, against one's better judgment.

"The wonders of WindowBlinds" is a partly ironic expression. He's
fascinated, but it's going to take up so much of his time to learn to
use this program that he's rueful, also.

JS> And

JS> in "I do, but YMMV" What stands YMMV for

YMMV stands for "your mileage may vary." Again, this is a figure of
speech, taken from the automobile industry. It means, in this context,
that "you may not have the same experience which I've had with this."

JS> Thanks for help

My pleasure, if it is truly a help!  I'm retired from teaching
elementary school--the last 10 years of my service was with 10-,11-, and
12-year-old youngsters in the sixth grade.

I hope--given this background--that I haven't "talked down" to you.

My undergraduate degree is in English Literature. I love to the point
of passion dealing with words and their backgrounds and meanings. :)

Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told
to, Jean?

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Re[2]: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Peter,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:17:02 PM, you wrote:

PM> My only workaround as yet is to c&p the decrypted message to the Memo
PM> field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to support my
PM> related wish:

How can I access the memo field?  My view menu (2.02.3CE) doesn't show
the memo auto-view function. How can I access it? The solution above
may not be "elegant", but it's good enough for me if I can get it to
work.

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Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Kevin,

on Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:35:38 -0500GMT (25.01.04, 14:35 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

KC> I wish that The Bat! could optionally save decrypted pgp messages
KC> while keeping the original kludges.

KC> Does anyone have a macro that can do this or something similar?

My only workaround as yet is to c&p the decrypted message to the Memo
field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to support my
related wish:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168

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Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Maksym Kozub]

I sent this message on TBTECH first; it seems however that there is
almost nobody reading the tech list, so I decided to resend it here. I
recently submitted the problem described in this message as a bug
(https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002349);
decided to also report on the list though - it would be interesting to
hear what other people think. Hope it's still not too technical for
TBUDL :).

If you choose an 8-bit encoding for your outgoing messages, but the
message actually does not contain any symbols with decimal values
higher than 127, then TB! would just make it "Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit", when
queuing that message in Outbox.

Some people think this is the corrrect behaviour, and they refer to
RFC2045 et al. Somebody even reported a bug
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002343 -
"Possibility to leave definition of 8 bit charset in case of message
with 7-bit only without resetting to "us-ascii"" I still consider it
definitely a logical mistake, and a serious one, since RFCs say octets
with decimal values of 127 and up are not allowed in 7-bit data, but
no one RFC says 0-127 should never be encoded as 8-bit - characters
themselves are not intrinsically "7-bit" or "8-bit".

As a result of this behaviour combined with some other MUAs' (e.g.
Microsoft-made ones') improper behaviour, there is the following
problem reported by various people. Suppose I send a message to my
Ukrainian friend in Canada, and he replies in Russian. I know his MUA
would try and put in the headers of his reply the same encoding as my
message had. To save him time on checking, I would indicate I want
_every message of mine_ (even if it's plain English only!) to be
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r / Content-Transfer-Encoding:
8bit", _which is perfectly legal in my view, as explained above. I
compose my message indicating "KOI8-R" as the charset to be used,
but... looking in the Outbox, I see "Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii / Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit" there!

Hope you get my point. www.livejournal.com uses UTF-8 for all those
webpages, even though I do not use any Chinese or other double-byte
characters in my blog there. I consider this to be a good example:
characters, be they English, Ukrainian, Chinese, or whatever, are not
"7bit", "8bit", "double-byte", etc. They _can_ be _encoded_ in various
ways; and other than for those cases where it is just plainly
impossible to encode them in a specific way (like it is impossible to
encode Russian as 7bit), - standards do not prohibit us from using
anything. So, seeing a good, standards-compliant, mail client like
TB!, which calls itself "mail servant" :), I would like it to respect
my will, _or_ at least to produce a warning when it changes (again,
without a valid, standards-based reason!) what I've set as my default
charset.

Would you agree with that?..

My apology for this letter being rather long, - at least I hope it is
not completely boring for everybody :).

Maksym.

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Re[2]: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Jean Site]

Hello MAU,

Friday, January 23, 2004, 6:55:54 PM, you wrote:

M> Hello Richard,

>> Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to
>> give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me
>> down that path! ;-)

M> Have a nice weekend ;-)

On Sunday i am trying to improve my english.
I need help.

I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title

I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document
would you? 

Nah! Chickened out

I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks

Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds

And

in "I do, but YMMV" What stands YMMV for

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Re[2]: IMAP and spam

[Allie Martin]

Steve Thomas, [ST] wrote:

ST> I've never been a big "beta" person - though it seems that even
ST> published releases for TB are "beta-like."

ST> But, if you'll kindly repeat how to get it, I'll give it a try.

Subscribe for TB! beta downloads here
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/

The beta downloads page is here
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

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The whole process is in the TBUDL info site, the URL for which is in the
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Re: IMAP and spam

[Steve Thomas]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:35:11 AM, you wrote:

AM> This has been fixed for the next release. You could wait for the next
AM> release or download and try the latest beta, then tell us what you think
AM> on TBBETA.


I've never been a big "beta" person - though it seems that even
published releases for TB are "beta-like."

But, if you'll kindly repeat how to get it, I'll give it a try.

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[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUDL!

I wish that The Bat! could optionally save decrypted pgp messages
while keeping the original kludges.

Does anyone have a macro that can do this or something similar?

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(see kludges for my pgp key)
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iD8DBQFAE8YuvZSrVDqOXK0RApxtAKDMBn+pvXUiLH29JG+QHTllCwbs6QCfWq4z
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Re: Quick Template question

[Deborah W]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:05:35 PM, MAU wrote:

M> %To=''%To='%OFROMNAME <%OFROMADDR>'

Thank you :-)

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Deborah W]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:49:54 PM, MAU wrote:

M> You may want to try "The Bat! Filter Commander"

Ooooh...I didn't know about that!

Off to play :-)

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Re: Quick Template question

[MAU]

Hello Deborah,

> I've got a QT which I want to use to reply to posts on an email list,
> but to mail the sender of the post off-list & not the list itself. I
> know how to put the sender's name into the To: field on my reply, but
> is there a way for me to remove the email list address from the To:
> field?

%To=''%To='%OFROMNAME <%OFROMADDR>'

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Quick Template question

[Deborah W]

I've got a QT which I want to use to reply to posts on an email list,
but to mail the sender of the post off-list & not the list itself. I
know how to put the sender's name into the To: field on my reply, but
is there a way for me to remove the email list address from the To:
field?

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[MAU]

Hello Deborah,

> Ah, that will work then. Pity I'm going to have to do it on for every
> account *sigh*

You may want to try "The Bat! Filter Commander"

   http://tirna.narod.ru/soft/files/setup_tbfc120.exe

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Deborah W]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:55:54 AM, MAU wrote:

M> See the filter Options tab, there is the possibility of only
M> checking the selected message.

Ah, that will work then. Pity I'm going to have to do it on for every
account *sigh*

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[MAU]

Hello Doug,

> Your reply folders -- do you just drag messages into the 10 day one or
> is that automated also?

That is done in folder Properties. See:

http://www.rancho-k.com/Folder_Del1.png
http://www.rancho-k.com/Folder_Del2.png

As you can see, I have ticked the "Use alternative deletion for purging
this folder" option and I do purge and compress complete message base
every night.

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[MAU]

Hello Deborah,

> Won't that filter the whole folder though? I only need to move one
> message at a time.

See the filter Options tab, there is the possibility of only checking
the selected message.

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Re[2]: IMAP and spam

[Allie Martin]

Steve Thomas, [ST] wrote:

ST> Yea, and deleted and re-added several times. I've also deleted all
ST> folders from the server and started over a couple of times - just as
ST> a part of the learning process.

ST> I still get access violations from time to time - no rhyme or reason
ST> that I can see at this point.

Yeah. Those still tend to occur when deleting and creating folders using
the "Manage IMAP folders". There's no real pattern either.

ST> The main thing that bugs me right now is that there is no way to
ST> automatically compress folders on IMAP.  The "compress folders on
ST> exit" doesn't work with IMAP.

This has been fixed for the next release. You could wait for the next
release or download and try the latest beta, then tell us what you think
on TBBETA.

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Doug Weller]

Hi MAU,


Friday, January 23, 2004, 9:51:45 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Richard,

>> I was just wondering if you could elucidate how you go about ignoring
>> threads which you are not interested in?

> :-) See http://www.rancho-k.com/


Ok, I have Power-Pro running at work and used to use Stiletto, I might
try that.

Your reply folders -- do you just drag messages into the 10 day one or
is that automated also?

Doug

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Deborah W]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:25:59 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> F12 doesn't do anything here.

Really? It must be one of my own keyboard shortcuts then.

TF> However, what you want to do is create a catch-all filter (for
TF> example testing for presence of @ in kludges), make it manual, and
TF> assign a hotkey to that filter.

Won't that filter the whole folder though? I only need to move one
message at a time.

>> & also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go
>> through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties).

TF> Why do you need to change the view?

Sometimes I want to see, for example, the memo field in the message
list; sometimes I don't. I have about three views that I use
regularly, & the ability to save a bunch of settings together as a
Folder View is very nice - but I'm demanding, & would like to be able
to activate it with one click ;-)

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Deborah W]

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:23:30 AM, Roelof Otten wrote:

RO> In case it's a filter action you can assign the filter a hotkey.

DW>> I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages
DW>> to a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 & then choose
DW>> the folder manually),

RO> So this is possible.

Hmmm...not really. I keep one folder for all personal correspondence,
but my personal correspondence come in on various accounts, so I read
it by account, then do the F12-choose-the-folder thing. But there's no
common feature that I could filter on :-/

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Deborah,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:35:09 + GMT (25/01/2004, 16:35 +0700 GMT),
Deborah W wrote:

> Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't
> appear in the Shortcuts Editor?

Good question...

> I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages to a
> specific folder (currrently have to use F12 & then choose the folder
> manually),

F12 doesn't do anything here. However, what you want to do is create a
catch-all filter (for example testing for presence of @ in kludges),
make it manual, and assign a hotkey to that filter.

> & also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go
> through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties).

Why do you need to change the view?

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Deborah,

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:35:09 +GMT (25-1-04, 10:35 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

DW> Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't
DW> appear in the Shortcuts Editor?

In case it's a filter action you can assign the filter a hotkey.

DW> I'd like to be able to use a keyboard shortcut to move messages to
DW> a specific folder (currrently have to use F12 & then choose the
DW> folder manually),

So this is possible.

DW> & also to change the view mode for a folder (currently have to go
DW> through the Folder menu or open Folder Properties).

Dunno, my version doesn't support view modes.

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Keyboard shortcuts

[Deborah W]

Delurking to ask:

Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for something that doesn't
appear in the Shortcuts Editor? I'd like to be able to use a keyboard
shortcut to move messages to a specific folder (currrently have to use
F12 & then choose the folder manually), & also to change the view mode
for a folder (currently have to go through the Folder menu or open
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Re: Messed up replies to Outlook messages

[SyP]

Hello jwayne,
 
You wrote on 2004.01.25., 4:23:

jwayne> TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an
jwayne> Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user.

Please confirm it on bugtracker:
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002366

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