Re: Word wrap still considered good style?

[Carsten Thönges]

* ms writes:

> There they say: "Otherwise some e-mail programs will wrap the text at wrong 
> points or not wrap it at all" which in my experience is not true (any more). 
> I don't know of any popular client (including console "mail" and my mobile 
> phone ;-) that does not wrap at all or "at wrong points" (which as I read it 
> does not mean "at arbitrary points").

> Of course still true is Curtis' point that wrapping on window border might 
> produce lines that are too long ( mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] )
> but thats not what they mean, I guess.

> That's why I asked for a website that specializes on the reasons for 
> wrapping: most websites that deal with netiquette only say "do this" but 
> they don't point out why very exactly ;-)

RFC 2822 says:

| 2.1.1. Line Length Limits
|
|   There are two limits that this standard places on the number of
|   characters in a line. Each line of characters MUST be no more than
|   998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding
|   the CRLF.

BTW:  <- no wrapping here.

You may also find 
interesting ...

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Re: Exit QuickSearch (alt + LMB)?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Ralph Inselsbacher writes:

> When i use the alt + LMB - quicksearch feature, how do i exit it, once
> i've found, what i was looking for?

Press ESC.

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Re: Footnotes in TB!?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Ralph Inselsbacher writes:

> i tried to got footnotes to work in TB! with the quick templates
> from here:
> http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=66

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%REM=" fn - Footnotes for The Bat! v3

   This is a Quick Template for the mail reader The Bat! that
   helps you insert footnotes.

   When composing an e-mail use tags like

  | This is some (FN:text#) with (FN:footnotes#).

   and when finished copy everything into clipboard (ctrl+a,
   ctrl+c) and execute this Quick Template by typing fn +
   ctrl+space. This is what you get:
   
  | This is some [1] with [2].
  |
  | [1] text
  | [2] footnotes

   Last modified 2005-04-09 by Carsten Thoenges
"%-
%If:~%_fnFirstTime~=~~:~%-
%___%Clear%-
%___%_fnFirstTime="No"%-
%___%_fnCount="1"%-
%___%_fnFootnotes=""%-
%___%SetPattRegExp='(?ism)\A(.*?)\n*(^-- $.*\z|\z)'%-
%___%RegExpBlindMatch(%Clipboard)%-
%___%_fnText='%SubPatt(1)'%-
%___%_fnSig='%SubPatt(2)'%-
~%-
%SetPattRegExp='(?ism)\A(.*?)\(FN:(.*?)#\)(.*)\z'%-
%RegExpBlindMatch(%_fnText)%-
%-
%If:"%Subpatt(2)"<>"":"%-
%___%_fnMail='%_fnMail%-%SubPatt(1)[%_fnCount]'%-
%___%_fnFootnotes='%_fnFootnotes%-%_[%_fnCount] %SubPatt(2)
'%-
%___%_fnText='%SubPatt(3)'%-
%___%_fnCount='%Calc(#1+%_fnCount#)'%-
%___%QInclude(fn)%-
":"%-
%___%_fnMail%-
%___%_fnText
%Cursor
%___%_fnFootnotes%-
%___%_fnSig%-
%___%_fnFirstTime=''"%-
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

HTH.

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Re: Complicated Filter?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Dave Thomas writes:

>   Now  comes  the  difficult  part  for  me, I would like to
> copy the message to another folder called "Send Probably Spam" and change the
> Subject  to  "nonspam"  and the the recipient to be a a specific email
> address  on  our  mail server.   Again I have been able to do this if I get 
> the
> message  put  into  the  Outbox, but I would like to check the message
> before sending it hence wanting to put it in a draft folder first.

Maybe you are looking for »[X] Queue in the Outbox« in the Sorting
Office's Option tab?

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Re: Reconstructing Munged E-mail Addresses

[Carsten Thönges]

* Joseph N. writes:

> How, if at all, can I reconstruct the munged e-mail addresses that 
> appear here through the Gmane NNTP gateway?

You should go to the following URL:


  ¯
... where [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the encrypted
Gmane address. It leads you to an obfuscated image of the wanted
e-mail address.

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Re: Toolbar unadjustable?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Britt Henrikson writes:

> In all the mail clients I've used so far, the toolbar is adjustable,
> mostly in a menu that pops up by right-clicking. Buttons can be added
> and removed, and the order can be changed. When right-clicking the
> toolbar in TB, nothing happens, and the Help file is no help in this
> matter. Is the TB toolbar unadjustable?

Yes.

Real TB! users hide toolbars. They use keyboard shortcuts instead.

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Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download

[Carsten Thönges]

* achdut writes:
> Hello Thomas, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 2:11:14 AM, you wrote:

>> The despatcher shows you the mails on the server, before they even
>> get to the temp directory.

> If I use this utility, will I be able to identify which messages to
> delete, or will it automatically delete all of them before I get a
> chance to say "yes" or "no?"

Do you really want to start the dispatcher every time you receive a
virus? Why don't you exclude The Bat!'s temporary files from
scanning?

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Re: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Tony writes:

> I think all decent AV tools sniff incoming/outgoing e-mail traffic
> automatically.

Which can cause trouble if it »protects« you from temporary files
TB! creates when receiving mails.

> So what benefit does a plug-in add?

Think of encrypted email communication.

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Re: Adding macros as I write-on the fly

[Carsten Thönges]

* Marck D. Pearlstone writes:
> @5-Jun-2004, 12:02 -0700 (05-Jun 20:02 UK time) Michael L. Wilson

> MLW> There have been times, when writing a new email, that I would like to
> MLW> insert a macro.

[...]

> Put the macro into a QT. Type the handle of the QT in the message
> body and press . The QT will be invoked and the Macro
> command obeyed. That should do it for you.

It would be nice if we had a set of build-in Quick Templates that did
nothing more than sort of »mirror« the available macros. Like
typing AbToLastName+ executes the macro %AbToLastName.

It would help when creating or debugging QT. From time to time I
create such Quick Templates just to see what would happen if I used
this or that macro ...

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Re: quick template editor window

[Carsten Thönges]

* Cyrille writes:

>>   Where does TB keep the QTs? Couldn't I edit the file where TB keeps
>>   them with an external text editor?

> I found all QTs in the file "ACCOUNT.QTN" in the account folder in
> your mail directory (for example: D:\...\The Bat!\cyrille[...]\ACCOUNT.QTN)
> Does anybody has some experience with editing this file directly (without
> using the QT editor of TB)?

You can create and edit your QTs as regular text files and include
them via the %Include macro. Just in case you didn't know that ;-)

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Re: ?subject= and spaces in it

[Carsten Thönges]

* someone writes:

> I don't know quit if it is a BUG but I thinks yes.

It is not.

> mailto:...?subject=Contact addresses">Press

vs.

> mailto:...?subject=Contact%20addresses";>Press

> So he replaced "space" with "%20" then The Bat! will catch the subject to
> the email right as "Contact addresses"

You could use a web browser that repairs malformed HTML like that.

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Re: Distribution list

[Carsten Thönges]

* Michael L. Wilson writes:

> I have created a group in my addressbook called team.  Now the
> questyion is, how do I send a message to everyone in this group?  I do
> not want to make a termplate, I just want to fire off a quick email.
> I cannot type "team" in the address bar, for it will return an error.

Use 
 
or 
team 

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Re: "View follow up"?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Christopher Brown writes:

> I seem to remember once finding a useful thing: View follow up (my
> nomenclature). So, if I had a message displayed, I selected view
> follow up and it would show the email I had sent in reply to that
> one.

Try Specials -> Open Reply or just press Ctrl+Backspace.

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Re: macro which returns the domain extension of the %toaddr

[Carsten Thönges]

* Cyrille writes:

> I would like to write a QT which returns the domain extension of
> the %toaddr (like "com", "net", "pl", "cz", etc).

%SetPattRegExp="\.([^\.]*?)$"%-
%RegExpMatch("%ToAddr")

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Re: Need to cut the recipient's name

[Carsten Thönges]

* Robin Anson writes:
> On Tue 30 March 2004, 2:54:02 +1000, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> MDP>>> %IF:"%ABtoGender"="0":"Spett.le":"Egr." %-
> MDP>>> %SETPATTREGEXP="(.*)( - .*)?"%-
> MDP>>> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%ABTOLASTNAME='%TOLNAME'"%-
> MDP>>> %SUBPATT(1)

> JO>> Don't Know why the brackets in ( - .*)? are useless, but it's running
> JO>> well.

>> They are important if you have any records without either "- work"
>> or "- home" at the end. Then the expression will fail to match
>> completely and result in a blank name. My version is the one to use.

> When I tried this on an entry with "smith - home" as the last name, the
> first expression matched the entire last name and left a zero occurrence
> of the second expression. I thought the way around this was to set the
> first expression in the regex to be "(.*?)" (I think the term is
> non-greedy), but that simply failed to match anything then.

> Can anyone explain why that might be the case?

It's because the pattern doesn't need to match the whole subject.

This regexp should work: "^(.*?)(?: - .*)?$"

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%_testa="smith - work"
%_testb="smith"
%_testa
%_testb

%setpattregexp="^(.*?)(?: - .*)?$"%-
1. a) %regexpmatch="%_testa"
   b) %regexpmatch="%_testb"
---
%setpattregexp="(.*?)(?: - .*)?"%-
2. a) %regexpmatch="%_testa"
   b) %regexpmatch="%_testb"
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

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Re: Blind Copy Header

[Carsten Thönges]

* Neil writes:

> Because I was BCCed (Blind Copy) into the email his email client had
> inserted the following.

> IMPORTANT! This message has been blind-carbon-copied to you.
> Do not reply-to-all or forward it without the author's permission.

> Is it possible to get TB to do this as well on a Blind Copy (It really
> makes you sit up and take notice that you have been blind copied in!

No. I think this message was sent to you separately and not using
the Bcc: header. Okay, maybe his mailer did it that way. Nice
feature, why don't you put it on the wishlist?

But again, no, it's not possible with The Bat! today.

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Re: GMane - here we come

[Carsten Thönges]

* Allie Martin writes:
> Carsten Thönges wrote:

> CT> The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
> CT> earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using
> CT> some common tools like wget and sed.

> I've examined the source of a couple of those messages that have
> protected e-mail addresses. I could not find e-mail addresses withing
> them.

An example: <http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl%40thebat.dutaint.com/msg70060.html>

Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see:

,
| 
|   
|   
^
|   
^^^
|   
|   
|   Reply via email to
|   
 ^
|   
`

No encryption at all and very easy to grab.

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Re: GMane - here we come

[Carsten Thönges]

* Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Thomas, Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:46:41 AM, you wrote:

>>> They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
>>> usenet.

> Thomas> Oh...

> Still with encrypted addresses, and I believe they will offer us the
> option of whether we want that to happen with our lists. We will be
> looking at that functionality very closely when or if it does become a
> reality.

We should not forget that Gmane will just a *mirror*. The only one
who decides which emails will go to list or will by blocked is the
mailing list software respectively the list moderators.

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Re: GMane - here we come

[Carsten Thönges]

* Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]
> *We believe the spam risk through Gmane to be the same or even less
> than the current list archives already in place.*

The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using
some common tools like wget and sed.

Gmane's spam protection is much better than mail-archive's.

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Re: GMane - here we come

[Carsten Thönges]

* Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Just one remark ...

> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341

*This* is exactly how a link to an archive should look like.

And â everyone who compares the current archive's (IMHO close to
unusable) web frontend with Gmane's Loom has to admit that Gmane
*is* a good thing.

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Re: Time for a Newsgroup?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> Martin Schneider wrote:

>> Well, for posting to Newsgroups I use an account of www.spammotel.com.

> How about when posting to a mailing list which is mirrored in the
> Usenet?

You mustn't confuse Gmane with Usenet. These are two different
things.

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Re: Time for a Newsgroup?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Allie Martin writes:
> Paul Cartwright, [PC] wrote:

>> If not, why can't it be setup and give it a try?

> We thought we'd air the suggestion and see what happens over the
> ensuing week.

Why don't we start with TBTECH or TBDEV and see?

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Re: Time for a Newsgroup?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:

> No thanks, I don't want this ML mirrored on the usenet and have this
> email address burnt as well. I don't know how secure a "secure
> newsserver" is and don't care to try.

(If you are talking about gmane ...)

Why don't you just visit gmane.org and read a bit ...?
This is really getting frustrating.

BTW Gmane is run by Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen. IMNSHO a trustworthy
person.

> Just MHO.

O?

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Re: Time for a Newsgroup?

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Joseph N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
> volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
> it in mailing list format. It would be easier to scan, store, read,
> and otherwise manage the growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What
> do others think of managing the volume of this list?

 could be the answer. It would be a powerful
archive, too.

Examples: 
  

I the past people on this list have strongly refused using this
service. I don't know why.

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Re: TBPyxie

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[ Python and a plug-in ]

> You can do a lot. This template results in the attached message.
> I just started this yesterday, all for the sake of my spam solution.
> Let me know if you have any suggestions, or if I missed something.

> #  Exec executes a dos command and returns the output

Do we need it? I'd keep the plug-in as simple and tiny as
possible. But okay.

> #  Py executes python code, print statements go to msg
> #  Pyx evaluates a python expression, result to msg

I'd suggest to rename the macros to %Python and %PythonEval. Isn't
that a lot more beautiful? :-)

> #  Python env is global and includes auto-imported tb module

Fine. Again, I wouldn't call this module »tb« but »thebat«. IMHO tb
is a little short and likely (?) to conflict with any other module.

> #  Python Exceptions and others go to msg with a stacktrace

Very good.

[ Example ]

This is so cool :-)

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Re: SmartBat's Evaluate Function and Order of Operations

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> --> Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 5:16:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm not sure what you're trying to do but I just started my own set
> of macros today and two of the macros may interest you. One evaluates
> python expressions, and the other executes python code.

YES! Release NOW!!1

Hm, how do you pass variables from and to the Python code? I mean
for example setting the subject from within Python.

Actually, when I think about it, is this really necessary? One
could do the following:

%FROM=§%-
%PYEXEC=³
subject = '''%SUBJECT'''

if subject[1] == 'a':
print 'Carsten Thönges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'
else:
print '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
³%-
§

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Re: cut-line RFC and client support

[Carsten Thönges]

* Andrew Perevodchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> tko> can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also what
> tko> other e-mail clients take this convention into account?

> Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour.

No, all good mail clients handle signature delimiters (Gnus, mutt
etc.). There's son-of-RFC 1036:

,
| 4.3.2. Body Conventions
| [...] 
| If a poster or posting agent does append a signature to an article,
| the signature SHOULD be preceded with a delimiter line containing
| (only) two hyphens (ASCII 45) followed by one blank (ASCII
| 32). Posting agents SHOULD limit the length of signatures, since
| verbose excess bordering on abuse is common if no restraint is
| imposed; 4 lines is a common limit.
`

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Re: Reading Receipt

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

May I ask why you use this list's e-mail address as if it was yours?
Is that a configuration problem on your side or something else?

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Re: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Clive Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi Carsten,

>> I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/
>> viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget
>> these days

> What do you mean "NOD32 does not detect new viruses"?

I mean virus scanners don't detect unknown viruses.

This web page is in German but it shows in detail how quickly AV
companies provided virus definitions for ...

Win32/Bagle worm: 
Win32/Xombe trojan horse: 

And here's something very nice from Symantec: 

  

| Virus Definitions (Intelligent UpdaterTM) 
| 
| [...] The virus definitions are posted on U.S. business days (Monday
| through Friday) and can be downloaded from the Symantec Security
| Response Web site and manually installed.
| 
| [...]
| 
| Home users: While it is possible, it is not absolutely necessary for
| you to download and install the Intelligent Updater definitions
| daily. [...]

Interesting.

Now see how quickly the latest worms spread over the internet and
compare that to the delay of virus definition updates.

> It's one of the
> best out there at detecting viruses and updating itself against new
> threats.

I think you are absolutely right (although I don't know NOD32).

The question is: is »one of the best« or even »the best« enough to
prevent such worm floods in the future. The answer is: no.

Users have to be educated *not* *to* *trust* their anti virus
tools. There always is a time frame from several hours to two or
more days when these tools are unable to find brand new malware.

Another question: is this really a problem?

I see much too many people trusting their AV tools ultimately
telling me »how on earth can this e-mail contain malware when my
virus scanner keeps quiet?« Those users have to learn how to detect
dangerous mail content with their eyes only. I think this is
possible.

To make it short, I think todays mail worm are not at all a
technical problem but an educational one.

>It's proven - especiall? here in the past few days with the
> MyDoom worm.

MyDoom prooves only one thing: users are not very, erm, clever or
use the wrong mail client ... ;-)

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Re: nod32 plugin for The Bat!?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Clive Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin?

> Not for v2 ? and you don?t need one anyway, because NOD32 will
> intercept infected mail at a system level and, believe me, you WILL
> get a notification if there?s a virus in your mail!

I don't believe you because even NOD32 does not detect /new/
viruses. IMHO this is an important fact many users seem to forget
these days.

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Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> Maksym Kozub wrote:

> Let me understand this. You explicitely tell TB to use:

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r /
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit"

> but TB changes it to

>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"

> just because it doesn't detect a high ASCII character?

> That sounds wrong.

Huh? This is the way good mail clients work. It is not wrong at all.

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Re: Log when re-apply filter

[Carsten Thönges]

* cs4l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The filter activity goes to the log when receiving new mail, but
> apprently not when re-applying filters to a folder.

Write your own log file.

Use the filter action »Export message to file« and write your log
information [1] into the template. HTH.

Carsten

[1] helpful macros are %FolderName, %AccountName, %DateEn, ...
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Re: Edit subject line

[Carsten Thönges]

* cs4l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Nevertheless, my spampal sometimes mis-identifies messages as spam
>   and includes markers in the subject line of the received message.

>   How can I get rid of the added marker in the Bat

This is not possible without exporting, editing and reimporting of
those messages. I would not do that. Why don't you configure SpamPal
to add the markers as additional header lines?

>so that filters do
>   not grab the message each time I re-apply filters to the folder?

If you extend your TB! spam filter to only touch mails that have no
color group set you'll just need to assign an arbitrary color group
to any false positive -- and your filter won't grab them anymore. HTH.

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Re: JPG/GIF Virus now?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Be careful how you view your JPG and GIF files (from now on)...
[...]
> Any idea if The Bat would be vulnerable to this??

Take this (non-existant) URL: http://www.example.com/pics/me.jpg

If you visit such a site you'd expect your browser to display the
file »me.jpg«. But ...

a) what if »me.jpg« isn't a file but a directory? Your browser will
   open something like »www.example.com/pics/me.jpg/index.html«

b) what if a file (or directory) »me.jpg« doesn't exist? You'll be
   redirected to an 404-error page.

Both the »me.jpg/index.html« and the error page *could* contain
malicious code.

Thus it appears that The Bat! is not vulnerable against this
scenario because it doesn't confuse being a mailreader with being
a web browser ... like others do.

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Re: Wilcards Strings In Filters

[Carsten Thönges]

* Jonathan Angliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tuesday, December 02, 2003, Carsten Thönges wrote...

>>> I want to create a filter that filters all "Read" receipts into
>>> a specified folder. The only thing that all of these receipts
>>> has in common is that the subject line starts with the word
>>> "Read:" so I [...]

>> The filter string is
>> ^Read:

> Is that going to work?  Isn't ^ meaning beginning of line?

Yes. But line doesn't necessarily mean »a whole header line«.

>   He said
> the word "Read" appears in the subject, so that would fail on:

> Subject: Read: this is a read receipt

It depends on what you choose as your filter location: »^Read« works
for location=subject. »^Subject:\s+Read« works for location=kludges.

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Re: Wilcards Strings In Filters

[Carsten Thönges]

* Steve Mulhall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is it possible to to add a search string with a wildcard in a filter?

Yes. The Bat! supports »Regular Expressions«. A good point to start
your research is .

> I want to create a filter that filters all "Read" receipts into a
> specified folder. The only thing that all of these receipts has in
> common is that the subject line starts with the word "Read:" so I want
> my filter to just identify all messages that meet this criteria and
> then filter them.

The filter string is

^Read:

and don't forget to turn on the Regular Expression proccessing:


   Sorting Office -> Some Rule -> Options -> [x] Regular expressions

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Re: individual template - wrapped at different position

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> MAU wrote:

>>> I don't think there are any template macros with which you can change
>>> the line length.

>> What about %WRAPPED(Limit, Text) ??

I think this is not what Mark is searching for.

| I'm trying to make TB! wrap at 60th position for messages to a Yahoo-user,
| and would like to put this instruction into an AB-template for this person.

He wants the editor to wrap the text at line 60 while he is typing,
doesn't he?

> I wasn't aware of it.

And that still is not possible. A workaround could be a template
like

| %Cursor

that sets the cursor to line no. n (here $max_line_length - 60),
what causes The Bat! to wrap at the regular limit but leaves some
empty space at the left site. This rectangle space can be marked via
mouse (pressing ALT) and deleted. Sounds difficult ...

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Re: Backups

[Carsten Thönges]

* Maurice McAdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Don't know. Have just done a backup _disabling_ "store
> external attachments in message bodies", and have ended up
> with a much larger file ; perhaps one of the more
> experienced members could explain things.

AFAIR disabling »store external attachments in message bodies« just
backups every single attachment it finds in the account's attach
directory. It does not check if there really is a mail for an
attachment.

If you have only one attachment directory assigned to more than one
account *all* attachments will be updates several times (for all
accounts). Uh.

I don't know if this is still true, CMIIW. This was the reason why I
changed to the included attachments mode ... some years ago :-)

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Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent

[Carsten Thönges]

* George Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Fernandez wrote:
>> Mark Partous wrote:

[ User-Agent string ]

>> Why should it not be allowed?
[...]

> I'm having a hard time finding an RFC that covers this.  The best I've
> come up with is a draft RFC for News articles:

It's RFC 2616.

,
| 14.43 User-Agent
| [...]
|User-Agent = "User-Agent" ":" 1*( product | comment )
| 
| 3.8 Product Tokens
| [...]
|product = token ["/" product-version]
|product-version = token
| 
| 2.2 Basic Rules
| [...]
|token  = 1*
|separators = "(" | ")" | "<" | ">" | "@"
|   | "," | ";" | ":" | "\" | <">
|   | "/" | "[" | "]" | "?" | "="
|   | "{" | "}" | SP | HT
| 
|comment= "(" *( ctext | quoted-pair | comment ) ")"
|ctext  = 
| 
|quoted-pair= "\" CHAR
| 
|CHAR   = 
|CTL= 
|CR = 
|LF =  
|SP = 
|HT = 
|
|CRLF   = CR LF
|  
|LWS= [CRLF] 1*( SP | HT )
| 
|TEXT   = 
`

So, it seems like "s and spaces are not allowed for the product
string. Unfortunately The Bat! contains a space.

User-Agent: TheBat!/2.01.49 (The Bat! (v2.01.49) Business)

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Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent

[Carsten Thönges]

* Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[ User-Agent header ]

> So %HDRUser-Agent="Ritlabs" does not work and leaves
> -Agent+"Ritlabs" in my mail.

%SetHeader('User-Agent', '"The Bat!"/%TheBatVersion (Business)')

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X-Mailer and User-Agent

[Carsten Thönges]

Just a tiny idea I'd like to share ...

A number of users wish to modify The Bat!'s X-Mailer header. This
isn't possible without third party software like X-Ray.

Both X-Mailer and User-Agent are used to identify the software
responsible for sending (at least The Bat! looks at both
headers). So why not suppress the standard X-Mailer, define a
User-Agent header and fill it with whatever you like?

So there's no need for X-Ray :-)

PS
A correct (conform with RFCs) User-Agent header looks like mine ;-)
i. e. User-Agent: Software/Version (Comment)

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Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?

[Carsten Thönges]

* ken green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It's a bit surprising, then, that a group such as TBUDL, which is so
> stringent about standards that could arguably be not-so-standard (cut
> marks, bottom posting, etc.) would go along with reply-to munging.

Not really surprising: The Bat! doesn't offer a (predefinied)
functionality like »Reply to list«.

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Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?

[Carsten Thönges]

* Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Yesterday I wrote a letter to a Linux-Mandrake Mailing List using TB,
> and for some reason the Reply-To header was the same as the From
> address. That is the first time I've ever noticed that... all my other
> messages to Mailing Lists had the List address as the Reply-To entry.

This is done intentionally by the list administrators.
See .

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Re: Macro to print message location

[Carsten Thönges]

* Peter Ouwehand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Location : %AccountName/%FolderName

> As my TBUDL folder is not in the 'root' of the account, I would like
> to have the whole path to it printed also, like:
>   Location : [EMAIL PROTECTED]/folder1/folder2/TBUDL

> Can this be achieved using macros?

I don't think this is possible.

You could hardcode the paths into a Quick Template like

 | %IF:'%FOLDERNAME'='TBUDL':'Mailing Lists/The Bat!/English/TBUDL'
 | %IF:'%FOLDERNAME'='TBOT':'Mailing Lists/The Bat!/English/TBOT'

but this certainly is ugly, ugly, ugly.

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Re: Block Quote macro

[Carsten Thönges]

* Marck D Pearlstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> @17-Oct-2003, 14:41 +0200 (13:41 UK time) Jacopo Ognibene [JO] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

[ Boxquotes don't work ]

>> Marck, I tried to use the bq macro, ... Is there some required
>> option I did'nt noticed?

>>  ,- [  ]   | block blockblock blockblock blockblock
>> blockblock blockblock blockblock blockblock blockblock block
>> `-

> You're probably trying to use it with auto-format turned on... no,
> that doesn't cause an problems. Unless you type a caption with A/F
> on.

Maybe. I received a number of mails from users that had the same
problem with the boxquote QT. The mistake they made was giving the
template not the name »bq« but something like »bq_new« or »bq_test«.

This doesn't work because the template calls a QT »bq« recursively,
so the new QT's handle has to be »bq«.
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Re: This blasted Swen Virus!!

[Carsten Thönges]

* Jurgen Haug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Carsten, Sunday, October 12, 2003, 9:36:49 PM, you wrote:
>> * Barry Higginbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>>  This blasted Swen virus is getting me down.
>>>  Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, [...]

>> There is a Windows port of »mailfilter«. Here is a part of its FAQ
>> (there is a typical config file at the end of this mail):

> can't we do the same with TB's Selective Download?

Not exactly. With mailfilter you can blacklist and whitelist,
filter by mail size, normalize subjects (P~O~R~N -> PORN), ...



Last but not least it is a command line tool, so you can run it
regularly (via an other's machine cron job, if you don't have a
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Re: This blasted Swen Virus!!

[Carsten Thönges]

* Barry Higginbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  This blasted Swen virus is getting me down.
>  Every day I am getting about 150 Swen emails, [...]

There is a Windows port of »mailfilter«. Here is a part of its FAQ
(there is a typical config file at the end of this mail):

,
| Mailfilter Frequently Asked Questions and Answers
| 
| General Questions:
| 
|  * What is Mailfilter?
|  * Who needs Mailfilter?
|  * How does Mailfilter interact with my current e-mail environment?
|[...]
| 
| Installation:
| 
|  * What are the system's requirements to install and run Mailfilter?
|  * What should I know to make Mailfilter run on Windows 9x/2000/NT?
|[...]
| 
| General Questions:
| 
| What is Mailfilter?
| 
|Mailfilter is a flexible utility for UNIX (-like) operating systems to
|get rid of unwanted spam mails, before having to go through the trouble
|of downloading them into the local computer. It offers support for one
|or many POP3 accounts and is especially useful for dialup connections
|via modem, ISDN, etc.
|Mailfilter connects to any POP3 mail box and compares part of its
|content to a set of user defined filter rules. That way the spam gets
|deleted directly on the mail server.
|With Mailfilter you can define your own filters (rules) to determine
|which e-mails should be delivered and which are considered waste. Rules
|are Regular Expressions, so you can make use of familiar options from
|other mail delivery programs such as e.g. procmail.
|Mailfilter is released under the terms of the GNU General Public
|License. For more information, see the README and COPYING documents
|provided with the Mailfilter program.
| 
| Who needs Mailfilter?
| 
|If you do not pick up your e-mail from a POP3 server, then there is no
|need to install Mailfilter. But if you do get your e-mail from one or
|many POP3 accounts and if you are sick and tired of downloading
|megabytes of worthless spam (usually those are anonymous advertisements,
|chain mails, etc.), then you should give Mailfilter a try.
|It will help save you band width and time by deleting spam directly on
|your server, before you have to download and read those messages. By
|defining your own personal filter rules, you can tell Mailfilter which
|e-mails should be deleted.
| 
| How does Mailfilter interact with my current e-mail environment?
| 
|It doesn't matter which programs you use to fetch your mail with,
|because Mailfilter is an independent application. It will not interfere
|with your favourite e-mail client. You may just want to start Mailfilter
|every time you are about to download new e-mail from a POP3 server, or
|maybe just once a day. That's entirely up to you.
|However, if you are using highly configurable mail programs such as
|fetchmail, then there are some clever ways to get Mailfilter cooperate
|with them directly. Section "How do I fine tune other programs to work
|with Mailfilter?" describes this in more detail.
| 
| Where do I find out more about Mailfilter?
| 
|All relevant documentation for Mailfilter (including this FAQ) is
|provided with the Mailfilter distribution. Online versions of some of
|these documents are available on the official Mailfilter homepage:
| 
|http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/
| 
|On this homepage you may also find additional information on Regular
|Expressions and related links to other programs that work well with
|Mailfilter. If you have already installed the program, be sure to read
|the man pages mailfilter(1), mailfilterrc(5) and mailfilterex(5).
| 
| [...]
| 
| Installation:
| 
| What are the system's requirements to install and run Mailfilter?
| 
|Here is an excerpt from the INSTALL file that is part of the source
|archive of Mailfilter:
| 
|"To run Mailfilter it's best to have a UNIX (-like) operating system,
|but it also compiles fine with Windows 9x/NT/2000 if additional
|libraries and tools are installed (e.g. Cygwin or DJGPP). So far
|Mailfilter has been successfully compiled and tested with
|  * Solaris 8 / SunOS 5.8
|  * Irix 6.5
|  * FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE
|  * Mac OS X
|  * NetBSD 1.5
|  * Linux: Mandrake 7.0 - 8.1, Debian 2.1, RedHat 6.2 - 7.1, Slackware
|3.9 (See doc/README.Slackware for further details), SuSE 6.2,
|LinuxPPC
|  * Windows NT, 2000 (See doc/README.Windows for further details)
| 
|but it may well work on other platforms, too. (Please report success if
|you have managed to compile it on any other system - thanks.)
| 
|To compile/install Mailfilter you also need to have a fairly recent
|version of the GNU C++ compiler (e.g. 2.95.x) and your system must
|support BSD-type sockets (in general all UNIX systems do meet this
|criterion). Since version 0.0.2 of Mailfilter you also need to have a
|  

Re: ReWrap [Reply template] ?

[Carsten Thönges]

* John Morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How would I modify the regular expression so that it only removes
> blank lines from the message that I am quoting.

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%If:`%_rblFirstTime`==``:`%-
%___%_rblFirstTime="No"%-
%___%_rblText="%Quotes"%-
`%-
%SetPattRegExp="(?ism)\A(.*?)(\n{2,})(.*?)\z"%-
%RegExpBlindMatch(%_rblText)%-
%If:"%SubPatt(2)"<>"":"%-
%___%_rblText='%SubPatt(1)
%__%SubPatt(3)'%-
%___%QInclude(quotes_minus_blank_lines)":"%-
%___%_rblText"%-
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

This QT's name is »quotes_minus_blank_lines« so you have to replace
%Quotes by %QInclude(quotes_minus_blank_lines). If you give it
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Re: Dispatcher playing peek-a-boo

[Carsten Thönges]

* Marck D Pearlstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have this friend who is using v2.00.6 and every once-in-a-while
> the dispatcher window pops up on him.

> He isn't hitting any hotkeys to make this happen. Neither of his two
> accounts is configured to use the dispatcher on mail checks.

Account -> Properties -> Mail management -> Mail Dispatcher ->

 [ ] Invoke automatically at each mail check

> It's not happening on every mail check.

Maybe because he didn't activate

 [ ] Show all messages left on the server

?

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Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:

[ USENET, The Bat! and MyGate ]

> I even use a valid email-address (one that I don't check very often).

Even? AFAIK you use news.cis.dfn.de or news.individual.de|net. Then
you *must* use valid e-mail addresses:

 http://news.individual.net/rules.html
 http://news.individual.net/faq.html#5.3

 http://news.cis.dfn.de/dnn/rules.html(German)
 http://news.cis.dfn.de/dnn/faq.html#5.3  (German)

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Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy

[Carsten Thönges]

* MAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Carsten,

 - On the Properties General tab, include a From and Reply-To address
 with a fake domain that you know does not exist. This fake domain is the
 one that will be used to build MIDs and you can then filter on it.

>> No, please don't do that. If you want to be part of USENET then you
>> should follow the rules.

> Why not Carsten? What I suggested is so that MIDs will be unique to
> _his_ messages

Ok, as long as you don't use fake addresses no problem for
me. Sorry, I didn't get the point here.
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Re: Why the forums?

[Carsten Thönges]

* MAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Thomas,

>> and one newsgroup.

> Which one is that?

de.alt.comp.the-bat
(in a few weeks it will move to de.comm.software.mailreader.the-bat)

>  Is it in English?

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Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy

[Carsten Thönges]

* Peter Fjelsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 13-09-2003 09:49, you [M] wrote:

>> - On the Properties General tab, include a From and Reply-To address
>> with a fake domain that you know does not exist. This fake domain is the
>> one that will be used to build MIDs and you can then filter on it.

No, please don't do that. If you want to be part of USENET then you
should follow the rules.

The most simple way not to get spam is to fill in an *existing*
e-mail address in the To: field which is under your control (you
don't have to read those mails, create an extra gmx, hotmail,
realbox, etc account for that) to prevent mail bounces. Reply-To:
addresses are hardly spammed, so you should create another e-mail
account for that which you read once a week or so.

IMHO it is not very polite to hide your name or mail address -- but
this of course is my personal opinion.

If you definitely don't want to publish your e-mail address then
use [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You should never use fake addresses which are not under your control
(like [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...), because
*they* will receive the bounces.

> Yes, but this would mean that people cannot send me mail as the address
> is fake.

Right.

> However, I have noticed that direct replies to one's messages have the
> MSID of the replied-to message last under references - now I only need
> some RegEx to hit on only messages where my MSID is the last in the
> string of references.

> ,- [  ]
> | References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> `-

> I don't suppose you have that RegEx worked out already?

((?:\nReferences:[^\n]*?)(?:\n\s[^\n]*?)*(@immer-international\.de>\s*\n[\S\n]))

Search in Kludges and replace [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your
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Re: Dial-Up, TB and Firewalls

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:

>  The IP address is crucial for entering a computer.
> A dial-up user, who isn't online very long and gets dynamic IP
> adresses, is therefore less interesting.

You could see it just the other way: dial-up users are people with a
poorly configured OS', many of them don't even know what a Service
Pack or Security Update is.

It is not important for how long one is online. It needs seconds to
implant malware (maybe a remote control tool, communicating via IRC
and disabling a desktop firewall) through the well known security
holes of an unpatched system.

And voila: we have a new spam server, warez server, ...

And this is NOT a Windows problem. So keep your systems secure by
installing security patches! And learn how IP works.

>I now think this was
> Carsten's point when he mentioned dial-up. I thought he meant the way
> of connection.

No, it wasn't. For me security is binary. Either a system is secure
to a given scenario or it is not. It should not matter if one system
is more likely to get »attacked« than the other.
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Re: Dial-Up, TB and Firewalls

[Carsten Thönges]

* malexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just a point I wanted to make as I've seen one or two comments where
> people have said with The Bat, and with dial-up, they don't need a
> firewall.

How do you define »firewall«? I assume you mean host based packet
filters. Just a point I wanted to make then, they are right.

> Sorry, but you're leaving yourself open if you don't use at least a
> software firewall, even with a dial-up.

FUD.

>I have dial-up ISDN, and
> anyone who thinks they won't get attacked if they have a dial-up
> connection is welcome to look at some of the logs from my Outpost
> firewall.

FUD. But OK, show us your logs.

> It doesn't take very long for  someone to grab a port and do some
> damage.

FUD².

> So, if you've got dial-up, still get the firewall and be safe.

You forgot to explain *how* someone »grabs a port and does some
damage«. I use a notebook and dial-up connections to the
internet. Please tell my why *I* need a software like Outpost to be
safe.

But, please, don't reply to this list as this has nothing to do
with The Bat! and traffic is high enough these days. -> tbot
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Re: Macros in V2

[Carsten Thönges]

* Robin Anson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have a useful quick template created at some stage by Carsten Thönges
> that allows me to include blank lines in the quoted text in my reply
> template. Unfortunately this breaks in v2.

This is the new version:

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%REM=' quote_bl - Quoting includes blank lines
   written by Carsten Thoenges, December 2001
   Last modified: 2003-09-10 (needs TB! V2.0)
'%-
%If:`%_qblFirstTime`==``:`%-
%___%_qblFirstTime="No"%-
%___%-
%___%SetPattRegExp="(?ism)\A\n*(.*?\n)\n*\Z"%-
%___%_qblText="%RegExpMatch(%Quotes)"%-
%___%-
%___%SetPattRegExp="^(.{0,50}?>+ )"%-
%___%_qblPrefix="%RegExpMatch(%QHeaders)"%-
`%-
%SetPattRegExp="(?ism)\A(.*?\n)(.*)\z"%-
%RegExpBlindMatch(%_qblText)%-
%_qblLine="%SubPatt(1)"%-
%_qblText="%SubPatt(2)"%-
%-
%SetPattRegExp="(?ism)(\S*?)\s*\n"%-
%If:"%RegExpMatch(%_qblLine)"=="":"%-
%___%_qblPrefix
":"%-
%___%_qblLine"%-
%-
%If:`%_qblText`==``:`%-
%___%_qblFirstTime="No"%-
%___%_qblLine=""%-
%___%_qblPrefix=""`%-
:`%-
%___%QInclude(quote_bl)`%-
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

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Re: regexp in selective download filter problem

[Carsten Thönges]

* Timur Kadyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm trying to filter out messages with "From:" field containing
> address that starts with "238", and then has three digits before "@".
> Regexp I'm using is ^238\d\d\d@ .

Try

(?m)^From:\s*238\d{3}@

any search in the entire header. You have to switch on
PCRE_MULTILINE (see help file) for the circumflex to work.

> I tested this regexp with regular
> filter -- it worked just fine (after I enabled regular expression
> filtering).

In regular filters PCRE_MULTILINE is active by default.
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Re: PGP Signage

[Carsten Thönges]

* Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Is there a macro to stop signing messages to certain addresses? I am
>   using 2.0 Beta 4. I want to stop signing messages to Yahoo Mail
>   lists as it is pointless cos they strip all non text.

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%IF:'%-
%-%-%SetPattRegExp="@yahoogroups\."%-
%-%-%RegExpMatch="%ToAddr"'<>''%-
:'%-
%-%-%NoSignComplete'%-
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

This one looks at the To: address and iff it finds an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] string it switches off signing. You should wrap it
into a Quick Template and call it from your templates via
%QInclude="qtname".
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Re: blah!

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> --> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:27:42 PM, you wrote:
>> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit
>> had problems reproducing this bug.

> You know of this problem?

Yes.

> You were somehow involved in attempting to fix it?

No.

> Yes, bugs can sometimes be difficult to reproduce, especially when
> networking is involved. I don't know how they fix it, I don't have
> the code.

Me neither. But if you leave your mails on the server for some days
you should try to change that setting to »Delete received messages
from server«. I'm not saying that there will be no more problems,
but don't be surprised if things get better. One (or two?) users
reported this as a working workaround... just try it.
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Re: Smartbat

[Carsten Thönges]

* Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[SmartBat]

>> What's it for?
>> It appears to be a text editor, but what is its purpose?

> You  -can-  put text/notes in there . . . [...]

You can link a pad with some text file (F6, right click, New Pad,
select a text file).

If you receive newsletters you could extract relevant or important
parts from those mails using TB! filters and append them to that
file linked to SmartBat.

There was¹ a German website where you could input your favorite
actors, directors, movies genres etc and they sent you a newsletter
telling you when there was something on TV that fitted your
preferences. Needless to say that these newsletter came with a whole
lot of advertising. So I created a filter to extract the one line
with the important information and appended it to a text file.

Later I just had to press F6 to take a look at the list of good
movies on TV the next days.

Just a thought about using SmartBat.

Carsten

¹  I received their last mail in April. Hm, there are still some
   movies from time to time on TV. So I guess they quit their
   business.
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Re: blah!

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in
> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the
> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck.

I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not
try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming
please make sure that you filled in your real name into the
appropriate field of your mail program.

> 1) Mail stops being retrieved. In the old days before I bitched about this a
> ton, we didn't get the "Some Tasks are still Active, quit when they are
> done" message, we just didn't get anything and killed the process. They
> obviously know what the hell is going on because they added that dialog. My
> best guess, since they seem incapable of coming up with one, is that the
> retrieval thread is being `de-synched` when a server is slow, for whatever
> reason, perhaps it is slow enough that the timeout has elapsed AFTER a new
> retrieval is supposed to begin. IE, a timeout occurs 90 seconds after an
> attempt, but the retrievals are supposed to occur every 60 seconds.

You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit
had problems reproducing this bug.

> These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told
> simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced
> them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told
> vehemently that others have not experienced them.

A lot of people experienced the »hanging« connection center,
including me. And it is very annoying indeed. I am using v2 beta now
and had no connection center trouble for quite some beta versions. I
don't know what changed, if it's TB! or something else...
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Re: running thebat in 2 different resolutions

[Carsten Thönges]

* Samson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I login my computer via 2 different ways with different resolution:

> - via console, 1600x1200
> - via terminal service, 1024x768

> my account tree is so long that it just fits in 1600x1200 without
> scroll bar. so, when i login via 1024x768 rez, it must have a scroll
> bar for me to access all accounts.

> but, if my previous login was using 1600x1200, when thebat is run in
> 1024x768 next time, the account tree still thinks it is in 1600x1200,
> and thus doesn't show the scroll bar. thus i cannot access some
> accounts on the bottom. [...]

> the tricky thing is, it seems that thebat always performs an "auto
> adjustment" for every 3 startup. that is to say, if it doesn't show
> scroll bar in 1024x768, i need to close thebat, open it, close it,
> open it, bingo, the scroll bar appears. and vice versa for 1600x1200.

You don't have to restart The Bat!. As another workaround just
double click TB!'s title bar twice (fullscreen and restore) and the
scroll bar appears.
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Re: First email client with built in POPFile

[Carsten Thönges]

* Jurgen Haug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> The Courier Email client
>> (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/courier/) has code in the latest
>> version to automatically find the X-POPFile-Link decode the link
>> and add a "Reclassify..." menu item.

>> Very nice integration of POPFile. Thanks. 

> wouldn't it be nice if TB! would integrate POPfile, too?

Okay. What do we need to do?

  1) extract the X-POPFile-Link header
  2) create a *.bat file which contains only one line¹
  
  C:/Programme/Opera7/opera.exe ""

  3) run this batch file

All three steps can easily be done using manual sorting rules.

Now let's do it.

 o  Open sorting office and create a new rule
 o  make it "manual only"
 o  under "actions" activate "export message to a file"
- file name: something like D:\temp\popfile.bat
- export format: Text
- (x) overwrite existing file
- export the file using this template²:
   
--8<---cut here---start->8---
%SetPattRegExp='^X-POPFile-Link: <(.*?)>$'%-
c:\programme\opera7\opera.exe "%RegExpMatch(%Headers)"
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

 o  activate [x] run external program
- name is: d:\temp\popfile.bat
- [x] run hidden (only if you want ...)

 o  after that go to "options" and 
- [x] execute action set of this rule by pressing the Hot Key
  and choose one (I took Shift+Ctrl+Alt+R (= reclassify))
- untick [ ] check the selected message against this rule

Of course you must finetune file and path names or the path to your
favourite browser and maybe one or two other things (who knows?).

It works here. When I mark a message and press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+R
Opera gets the focus and I can throw my mail into the right bucket.
To be honest, I tested it only a few times but I really do BELIEVE
it works :-)

Needless to say that as long as there are no global sorting rules we
have to define such a rules for every single account.

For the copy/pasters:

--8<---cut here---start->8---
BeginFilter
Name: popfile reclassify
Active: 1
Source: \\GMX\Inbox
Target: \\GMX\Inbox
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00
Actions: 
faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoRunDetached,faoManualOnly,faoToggleFlag,faoHotKey
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: d:\temp\popfile.bat
ExtFile: d:\temp\popfile.bat
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 57426
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
%SetPattRegExp\3D\27^X-POPFile-Link:\20<(.*?)>$\27%-\0D\0Ac:\5Cprogramme\5Copera7\5Copera.exe\20\22%RegExpMatch(%Headers)\22\0D\0A\0D\0A
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

HTH

Footnotes: 
¹  I assume everyone here uses Opera
²  if you don't know where to enter the template ... it's the second
   icon.
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Re: drag/drop

[Carsten Thönges]

* Jan Rifkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   [...] Still, I don't know why I shouldn't be able
>   to select, drag & drop a TB! msg outside of TB!.

>   Should I make this a programming request?

Yes, please.
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Re: Robert Padula listings in the United States [ref: The BrooklynBoard] -- My apologies ... please ignore this thread.

[Carsten Thönges]

* Dan Grunberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| Subject: Re: Robert Padula listings in the United States [ref: The
| Brooklyn Board] -- My apologies ... please ignore this thread.

You shouldn't ignore this. Or do you know how this little mail accident
could happen?

You became a victim of one of your folder templates which added the
list's address to the recipients list. A folder template triggers
*every* time your focus is on that folder or on any of that folder's
mails. TB! cannot detect that in this special case you didn't want
to send the mail to the list.

You should better use address book templates for mailing lists.
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Re: Mac OS X Client

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> Peter Chiou wrote:

>> Does anyone have a recommendation for an email client for the MAC OS X
>> that is close to TB!?  Thanks.

> Since Mac OS X is based on Linux, 

Mac OS X isn't based on Linux. Parts of it are based on *BSD.

> try whether you can get Sylpheed to work.

Sylpheed, yes. Or maybe Gnus which runs under (X)Emacs. It isn't
very similar to The Bat! but an extremely powerful news and mail
client.
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Re: Top posting

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Kenneth S. Rhee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Carsten, Friday, July 4, 2003, 8:39:09 AM, you wrote:

>> If you want to communicate and don't have enough bandwidth ...

>> --/.-/-.--/-.../. -.--/---/..- ...//---/..-/.-../-.. -/.-./-.--
>> .../---/--/. -././.-- ---/.-../-.. -/.-./.-/-./.../..-././.-.
   ¯¯¯\
   Strange, when I received my own message there
   were only two dots. I thought I made a mistake
   but now I see that you quote three dots. Huh?

>> ./-./-.-./---/-../../-./--./... .-.-.-/.-.-.-/.-.-.-

> Very funny, but it's really not. Some of us do pay for bandwidth

I do also pay for bandwidth.

> when we use our Smartphones.

Then don't blame (I know you actually didn't) other people. If you
don't have enough bandwidth then you should start to change *your*
way of reading mail when you are on the road. Fetching or
downloading mails (aka POP3) isn't a very clever way to read mails
when using such equipment.

* Don't these toys give you access to a webmail application via a
  builtin browser or can't you install a ssh client[1] on them?

* Can't you use IMAP? That means reading mails online and downloading
  only those mails that you want to. What applications do you use on
  Smartphones?

* etc. etc.

[1] together with screen and a non-gui mailer like mutt a very
powerful combination
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Re: Top posting

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Kenneth S. Rhee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[ some strange people seem to prefer top postings ]

> This has to do with a group of us who also access our e-mails
> using cell phones or smart phones (CDMA or GPRS). I as a general
> rule, do not download the full message but first 5 to 10 lines or
> a small size (2 K) in order to save time and bandwidth in my
> smartphone.

If you want to communicate and don't have enough bandwidth ...

--/.-/-.--/-.../. -.--/---/..- ...//---/..-/.-../-.. -/.-./-.--
.../---/--/. -././.-- ---/.-../-.. -/.-./.-/-./.../..-././.-.
./-./-.-./---/-../../-./--./... .-.-.-/.-.-.-/.-.-.-

:-)
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Re: about quotes style

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Saturday, June 21, 2003, 6:54:09 PM, you wrote:

>>> I also tried "1.7 Number of days until / since the "great
>>> occasion"".  The line in the signature was created by that. So cool!

>> Yes. Bill McCarthy posted another version of the same thing using a
>> much more clever algorithm just a few days ago.

> If that is like what you put in your website, I will have a try.

Yes it is.

Oh, but wait. It only runs under the new betas. It won't work on
your 1.62r.
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Re: about quotes style

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hello Carsten, Friday, June 20, 2003, 7:38:37 AM, you wrote:

>>>   How to put "| " or other self-defined style in front of each line of
>>>   the quoted text but without ">"?

>> http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html#quotes_1

> It works very well.
> But do you know how to make the quoted text indented?

Take a look at the QT named nq2. Just add some extra spaces in front
of the two pipe symbols...

,[ line 10 and 17 of nq2 ]
| [...]
|| %REGEXPMATCH='%COMMENT'
| [...]
| "   | %COMMENT%COMMENT=''"%-
`

That should work, but is untested as the new beta versions are not
compatible with this old code and I don't have a release version
installed.

> I also tried "1.7 Number of days until / since the "great
> occasion"".  The line in the signature was created by that. So cool!

Yes. Bill McCarthy posted another version of the same thing using a
much more clever algorithm just a few days ago.
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Re: about quotes style

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  here are three newbie questions about the quote style:

>   How to put "| " or other self-defined style in front of each line of
>   the quoted text but without ">"?

http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html#quotes_1
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Spaces in mailto: button (was: Duplicates in AB?)

[Carsten Thönges]

* SS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in AB?

>  BTW,  you  know  what  is bugging me - it is that line in my template
>  that is supposed to create a clickable 'mailto' link - as in below my
>  name. The thing is that it (the link) stops at the first blank space.
>  My macro is this:
>  mailto:%FromAddr?subject=%OSUBJ
>  Where is my mistake, please?

As Peter wrote you have to replace spaces with %20.

In Marcks template library there is a quick template called
"replace". Use/install it.

Then modify your reply template to something like:

 %Comment="; ;%%20;mailto:%FromAddr?subject=%OSubj"%-
 %QInclude="replace"%-
 %Comment

This replaces all spaces with %20.

PS
This template doesn't work with the latest betas and I don't have a
release version to test it. So this is untested.
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Re: cleaning sigs & ads from forwards - RegEx migrane

[Carsten Thönges]

* dajabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The REGEX-BASED Macro collection
> 

> offers the following string:

>%quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
>SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
>-*?\s*?--\s*\n|%-
>_{40,}\s*\n|%-
>\n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
>-+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|%-
>\n+Get your FREE download|%-
>\z)"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

> which I've used, but replacing the first '%quotes' with '%text'
> because I want the text not the quotes (!?)

Just delete 

 %quotes=' 

in the first and 

 '

in the last line.
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Re: The Bat! and Hamster

[Carsten Thönges]

* Gerrit Kruijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is it possible to retrieve mail bij kicking Hamster by the Bat!. I
> now went to Hamster first, go to the online menu and start The
> Bat! I noticed that Agent do this automaticly for me.

I don't know :-)  But here are a few newsgroups that might help
(Hamster has its own hierarchy).

,
| hamster.admin   Administration & Groupcreation in the Hamster-hierarchy.
| hamster.de.announce Ankuendigungen. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Moderated)
| hamster.de.config   Hamster- und Clientkonfiguration.
| hamster.de.misc Wenns sonst nirgendwo hinpasst.
| hamster.de.newuser  Einsteigerfragen.
| hamster.de.talk Gespraeche mit und ohne Hamster.
| hamster.de.toolsZusatzsoftware.
| hamster.en.config   details on the basic configurations
| hamster.en.misc anything else
| hamster.en.scripts  mainly for scripts and modules
| hamster.fr.adminDiscussions sur l'evolution de hamster.fr.*
| hamster.fr.annonces Annonces diverses concernant Hamster. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
(Moderated)
| hamster.fr.divers   Discussions sur Hamster qui ne vont pas ailleurs.
| hamster.fr.scripts  Les scripts relatifs a Hamster.
| hamster.general discussion of hamster in other languages.
| hamster.it.announce Announces about Hamster. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Moderated)
| hamster.it.misc General topics about Hamster.
| hamster.testTests.
`

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Re: Quoted text in replies - back again...

[Carsten Thönges]

* Nick Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[ b0rked from names causing ugly initials ]

> So for Joe Bloggs at Strange Company, I get jbsc instead of JB.

> Has anyone out there got a suggestion to:

> a) take the initials from that users AB entry ('cos they're all
> there)

This one builds the quote prefix from the first letters of the
original sender's address book first name, middle name and last
name. If there is no address book entry it extracts the information
directly from the sender's address.

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%QuoteStyle="%-
%SetPattRegExp='.?'%RegExpMatch='%AbOFromFirstName=_%OFromFName_'%-
%SetPattRegExp='.?'%RegExpMatch='%AbOFromMiddleName'%-
%SetPattRegExp='.?'%RegExpMatch='%AbOFromLastName=_%OFromLName_'%-
"%-
%Quotes
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

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Re: Removing angle-bracket from quote prefix

[Carsten Thönges]

* DZ-Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Some time around 6/2/03 14:05:04, I think I heard Carsten Thönges say:

> :: http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html#quotes_1
> :: (just modify the "|"s in nq2 to your own needs)

(don't you think that using :: as quote prefixes in mailing lists
is, erm, not the optimum *g*)

> Thanx, works pretty good, except that if I have the kludges visible,
> it will quote them too.

This is independent of the chosen method. In this case you'll get
the kludges with %QUOTES and with %QINCLUDE="nq".

> How do I modify it to exclude the kludges if any?

I think this is not possible.
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Re: Removing angle-bracket from quote prefix

[Carsten Thönges]

* DZ-Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In particular, I am trying to get rid of the '>' character, which
> seems to persist. For example, if I set the macro to:

> %QUOTESTYLE="-|"

> like the help file shows, I instead get the prefix "-|>".

http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html#quotes_1
(just modify the "|"s in nq2 to your own needs)
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Re: Blanking Reply-to: field for a folder?

[Carsten Thönges]

* ztrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a way to have a missing or blank Reply-to: field in the
> headers for certain folders?

You can use %REPLYTO="" in your templates. That blanks the Reply-To:
field.
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Re: Get New Mail Hang

[Carsten Thönges]

* Wayne Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Another strange thing... I just tried to get my mail and it said it
> was retrieving one of sixteen. I only got one message and that was it.
> It didn't hang this time - it quickly closed down. This is really
> strange!

Are you using SpamPal or any other mail proxy? This sounds exactly
like a problem I once had with an old SpamPal version('s bug).
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Re: The Archive has gone AWOL

[Carsten Thönges]

* Ravi/Shell-Shocked <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> It sure looks that way. If this starts to look permanent
>> then we'll have to reconsider using the MailMan built in
>> archiving on the host servers - unless anyone knows of any
>> other archiving service...

> Something for the admins to consider: Via http://gmane.org,
> this list can be made available as a newsgroup.

> An added benefit is that gmane also serves as an archive,
> with search etc built in.

> I've tried the service, and it's pretty good.

Yes, it is.

http://www.gmane.org/
http://gmane.org/features.php
http://gmane.org/tmda.php
http://gmane.org/filter.php
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Re: The Bat! Portable?

[Carsten Thönges]

* David Calvarese writes:

>   Does anyone have any experiance installing and using TB! from a
> portable drive, such as a USB-flash drive?

 , [ c&p from http://www.snurl.com/thebatch ]
 | [...]
 |
 | Description:
 |
 | The Batch! is a loader for the program The Bat! (probably the best
 | email manager around). So when you want to run The Bat! you
 | double-click on thebatch.exe and that loads the program with its
 | settings, when you quit the program the loader saves the settings
 | and leave the computer without trails of The Bat! (unless you made
 | The Bat! the default email manager).
 |
!| I made this loader to carry my e-mail on a Compact Flash
!| card. With it you can go to any computer and check your mail from
!| there. This will amaze any Outlook user :)
 |
 | Another interesting benefit of this loader is that you can make
 | periodical backups of the folder and be sure you will be able to
 | see those messages in the future, since the whole program is
 | inside the backup. I set The Bat! to delete messages older than 30
 | days and make a backup every 15 so I can keep all my email history
 | easily
 `

Just for info: I did never use/install/see this tool in real life
nor do I have any idea who the author is... so be careful. But maybe
this is what you are looking for and I HTH.
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Re: E-mail address in message body

[Carsten Thönges]

* Peter Meyns writes:

> on Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:27:30 +0100GMT (18.03.03, 18:27 +0100GMT here),
> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
   ^^^
   Maybe you didn't know, but this is not only a
   Message-ID but also a valid E-Mail address. One
   that I do read.
 
>> * Gerd Ewald  writes:

> you read it a couple of times before: there are _some_ people on this
> list, me included, who don't like having their addresses displayed in
> the message body.

They can send me a mail and I will put them on the same list with
you, Thomas, Januk and Miguel.

> The archive properly hides e-mail addresses in headers, but
> displays everything in the body, thus making prey for spammers.

Januk wrote that this is not true. But look at the source code of
Januk's first link:

, [ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg57120.html ]
| [...]
|
| 
!   
!   
|   
|   
|   Reply via email to
|   
|   
|
| [...]
`

This is for the "secure" reply button on every archive page. If I
was an address harvester I would write a small script that extracted
the mail addresses from there. Search patterns are much easier...
Two regular expressions and *tratra*: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I needed 10 minutes to combine a wget, a grep and 3 seds to get a
beautiful list of E-Mail addresses. And I am really no expert in
shell scripting...

> It's ok if you think that this is irrelevant for yourself, but please
> respect the feelings of others too and change your template for TBUDL.
> Thank you. :-)

I don't think that Gerd needed your help in this case.

EOD, please.
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Re: Countdown Clock for signature???

[Carsten Thönges]

* Gerd Ewald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Good evening Newsacct !

>> I   was  hoping  all  you  experts  with  the  templates  and  regular
>> expressions could help me figure out how to do a countdown clock in my
>> signature.

>> In  this  case,  we are going to Disney in September and I want to say
>> something  like,  "144  days,  12  hours, 34 minutes till we leave for
>> Disney!"

> Well, I can't provide counting hours, but I wrote something about
> counting down days:

> ,-- [ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> | ok, here we go: there is a set of macros you need to get the days  
> | counted. I didn't write these (Carsten, was it you?) nevertheless it  
> | counts days in the future but it also works on past events.  
> |   
> | 1. QT "datediff"  
> |   
> | %If:_%Comment_>=_%Date='mmdd'_:%-  
> | _%comment="a%Comment%-b%Date='mmdd'c0;"_:%-  
> | _%comment="a%date='mmdd'b%Comment%c0;"_%-  
> | %qinclude="datediff_r"%-  
> | %comment=""  
> |   
[...]

At least this first QT is a little different from the one you can
find on http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html#date_diff

IIRC the problem with the old version posted by Gerd was that The
Bat! would crash on an empty %Comment string.
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Re: when a server is not a server...

[Carsten Thönges]

* Marcus Ohlström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I myself are interested in having TB! installed as a server on machine
> A, and on machine B run TB! with two accounts, one which should connect
> to the server as a non tcp/ip workstation, the other which should work
> as a generic email client.

As far as I know this is not possible.

But there is a workaround: you can use two parallel instances of The
Bat! at the same time. One working as a "Workstation with TCP/IP"
(normal TB! installation) and the other as a "Workstation without
TCP/IP" (client mode). Create a new W2K user "dummy" on your machine
and install The Bat! under user "dummy"s W2K-account as a
TB!-Client.

Now you can start Client-TB! from your personal account via a
shortcut like 

,
| C:\WINNT\system32\runas.exe /profile /user:computername\dummy "C:\Programme\The 
Bat!\thebat.beta.exe /nologo /U:thoenges"
`

HTH.
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Re: Stupid problem with quoted names

[Carsten Thönges]

* Miguel A. Urech writes:
> Hello Marck,

>> There's your problem. Do this instead.

>> Hello %OFROMFNAME,%-
>> %TO=''%TO='"%OFROMNAME" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'%-
>> %REPLYTO=''%REPLYTO='"Some Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

>> The %OFROMNAME macro excludes the double quotes (and should).

> I've tried that, but then every Name in the To field will appear in
> between quotes. I know that is no problem, but I thought I could avoid
> it.

Maybe this one helps you. Its actual purpose is to add list names to
the To-address when replying. The first %IF checks for the existence
of characters in From-name that make quoting neccessary.

,
| %IF:%-
| "%SETPATTREGEXP='[\.\@,;;\\\(\)<>\[\]]'%REGEXPMATCH='%OFromName'"=""%-
| :#%-
| %TO=''%-
| %TO=_%CAPITAL='%OFROMNAME' on %-
| %ABoreplyHANDLE='%ABoreplyNAME'%-
|  <%OREPLYADDR>_#%-
| :#%-
| %TO=''%-
| %TO=_"%CAPITAL='%OFROMNAME' on %-
| %ABoreplyHANDLE='%ABoreplyNAME'"%-
|  <%OREPLYADDR>_%-
| #%-
`

(listname is stored in handle field of the address book)

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Re: Filter Question, this word "and" this word ?

[Carsten Thönges]

* ~John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How do I create a filter that searches for the words
> Size, Penis, Enlargement, Enhancer in the body of the message and if
> all the words are detected, deletes the email ?
> Would I put each word in a new "string" with "Location" Anywhere and
> "presence" yes ?

The easiest way is to add "filtering strings" via the "add" button
in the filter rules dialog. One for Size, one for P*nis, one for
Enl*rgement... you don't need any regular expressions here.

Why don't you use a tool like SpamPal?
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Re: good anti-spam prog for use with TB!

[Carsten Thönges]

* Jurgen Haug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well, that sounds interesting. Better bounce than just move to folder
> SPAM ;-) 

Please don't do that. Spammers use fake addresses, your bounces will
reach the wrong persons.
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Re: another question to learn how these regexes and makros work...

[Carsten Thönges]

* Peter Meyns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I don't understand what the %IF statement is supposed to do. I'm using
> VTitleSpy along with only one %PUT macro:

> 'Winamp currently playing: %PUT="path\file.txt"'

You should use 

  Winamp currently playing: %wrapped='%put="d:\temp\spy.txt"'

as you are sending a lot of trailing spaces with the song
title. VTitleSpy's way of saving its files seems not to be very
clever.
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Re: another question to learn how these regexes and makros work...

[Carsten Thönges]

* Anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm trying to get this to work also but without success. :-( I have
> installed the VTitleSpy in the plug in folder of Winamp, created the
> text file to store the song title and put the path in the reply
> template: result nothing! The text file stays empty. I must be missing
> something but I can't figure out what! Any clues how to do this
> please?

Did you enter a value for "characters" in the VTitleSpy
configuration dialog?

  Like:  Align text [Left] on [80] characters.
   ^^
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Desktop firewalls (was: NOT running slow anymore)

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Victor B. Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Carsten,

[ personal firewalls ]

>> Who attacks your PC and how?

> I can easily attack your pc starting at this very moment...

Please attack me, Victor. Try it as hard as you can. And please
explain us how a personal firewall could prevent me from being
attacked by you. And, how are you going to attack me? Did it work?

>> What do you expect from your personal firewall?

> Protection from stupidity,

What do you mean with "stupidity"? An example?

> trojans,

A trojan horse is a program that *you* install on your computer. If
such a trojan horse runs on your system you have lost. Period. A
trojan horse could deactivate a personal firewall (especially under
Win9x operation systems, or under a WinNT when you are logged in as
"admin"), manipulate files, ...

A personal firewall can *not* protect you from installing a trojan
horse.

I would recommend to be more careful with installing "strange"
tools.

> viruses,

a virus is a program that *you* install on your computer. A personal
firewall can not stop you from executing "strange" attachments.

Just one example: trojan horses could easily communicate through the
"firewall" by starting IE with an Url like
http://www.someserver.tld/bla?a=secret_information_from_victors_pc...
This is the way Realplayer tunnels through firewalls.

> scans,

do you mean portscans. I don't see any problem in being
portscanned. That's the internet :-)

> enhanced privacy,

I don't see how. An example?

> etc...

Sorry, Victor, could you explain that in a more, erm, technical way?

>> How could a personal firewall help?

> Remove the door to your house tonight and never put it back,
> then lie a fully loaded shotgun and all of your valuables at
> the entrance with a note attached "To whom this may concern,
> please shoot me, or just take the money and the shotgun and
> go, I DON'T CARE!".

Funny, but FUD.

> You know you're personal preference about your own security
> is entirely an opinion and nothing more... You shouldn't
> influence any body's decision on security with ignorance...

Victor, no, no and no. I am not influencing anyone. I am asking you
again: please describe a case in which a personal firewall protects
you from being "hacked".

a) Don't offer any services if you don't really need them. So there
   will be no open ports.

b) Always install the latest security patches for your software.

c) Don't install software that you don't trust a 100 per cent.

d) Don't use IE, OE.

e) ...
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Re: NOT running slow anymore

[Carsten Thönges]

* Michael Disabato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well, folks, the problem seems to be resolved.

Well done :-)

> With that said, I still require a personal firewall.

No.

> My travels into the public internet have shown enough scans and
> attempted attacks to make it necessary when I'm not home.

Who attacks your PC and how? What do you expect from your personal
firewall? How could a personal firewall help?
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Re: Still Running Slow

[Carsten Thönges]

* Lars Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Apart from that, a personal firewall is useless from a security POV

Correct.

> (this is my personal opinion [...]

No, it is a fact.

> and anyone who wants to start a discussion about that, please feel
> free to contact me in PM).

Or TBOT?
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Re: FTP

[Carsten Thönges]

* Frank Lusardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> So, as I wrote earlier, replying to another response to my question,
>> all the people who are wanting to use e-mail to transfer files--and
>> clutter up The Bat! with an HTML text editor--could just transfer them
>> using FTP. Excellent solution! :)

> Alas, no. Say you want to transfer a file to me, using FTP.
> Either you would have to allow me to connect directly to your
> computer, or I would have to let you connect to mine.  This would
> be a _big_ security problem, and possibly impossible, depending
> upon how you are connected to the internet.

Yes. And standard FTP doesn't encrypt passwords. IMHO FTP is not an
option.

> Dropping the file into an email allows me to transfer it to you
> without you and I making any direct connections. Would that things
> were simpler! :(

The problem is that base64 encoding wastes a lot of bandwith.

You could use SAFT instead:
http://www.belwue.de/projekte/saft/index-us.html
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Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> Spike wrote:

 (3) Read NNTP News Groups

MG>>> Many prefer using a separate client for that, yet future
MG>>> releases might also implement that.

>> S*%T to that!

> I am not sure about that first word, but Stefan said *if* TB gets
> newsreader capabilities, it will be by way of a plug-in. 

Please read:
http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/twpierce/news/newsreader-manifesto.html
Gnus, slrn, tin, Dialog, Agent, ...

I know that, like Miguel, there are some guys who use their TB! as a
newsreader, but what about scoring, killfiling, ignoring threads
etc.? Don't you miss that in TB!?

> So you don't need to load it if you don't want to. ;-)

Quite a lot of "OPTIONAL" features that I don't need these days... ;-) 

This is off-topic, isn't it?
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Re: I love the Bat (...)

[Carsten Thönges]

* Thomas Fernandez  writes:
> Carsten Thönges wrote:

>>> And anyway, independently of what you or I may wish, if Ritlabs is
>>> smart enough and they want to keep in business, they should
>>> include an HTML editor in a near future version.

> They _are_ smart. Wait and see... ;-)

Oha!

>> NACK. If Ritlabs is smart enough and they want to keep in business,
>> they should provide full IMAP support for professional business
>> users or should improve (=debug) the not-so-bad client/server mode.

> I don't see a contradiction.

Between a HTML editor and IMAP support? Where is the HTML editor?
Where is IMAP? TB!'s fans have been waiting for V2.0 with all the
promising features since I don't now when. And it definitely wasn't
smart to announce a version 2.

> And the mnemo is NAK. ;-)

Both NACK and NAK is correct. And you know that.

>> Which group is Ritlabs targeting?

> I am not familiar with their marketing plan, but I believe they are
> going for both the power-user who won't use HTML in emails (but would
> need IMAP, better SSL/TLS implementation etc) as well as the sizeable
> group that moves away from OL/OE but still wants to use HTML in
> emails.

The Personal costs about 40 EUR in Germany. This isn't what I would
call cheap. I don't say that it's too expensive, but IMHO a little
too much to get ahead of OE.

Unfortunately TB! also isn't ideal for offices or small
companies. a) no IMAP b) client/server mode is too buggy. And these
are facts.

> As long as the HTML-editor is optional, the additional "bloat" is
> justifiable from a marketing point of view.

The features I miss in TB! I found in another software. I am not
alone. And no, it wasn't the missing HTML editor ;-)

>> Yes, but competitors don't sleep ;-)

> That's why. ;-)

Why what? What has happened in the last months? Development wasn't
very, ehm, rapid.

Actually I like TB!...
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Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Miguel A. Urech" writes:
> Hello Carsten,

>>> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner

>> Because TB! users don't want that.

> Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all.

Okay.

> I will not use HTML myself either, but I know of many TB users who
> would and of non-TB users who would move to TB if it had an HTML
> editor. 

Yes, the more experienced a users is the more he dislikes such HTML
mails.

> And anyway, independently of what you or I may wish, if Ritlabs is
> smart enough and they want to keep in business, they should
> include an HTML editor in a near future version.

NACK. If Ritlabs is smart enough and they want to keep in business,
they should provide full IMAP support for professional business
users or should improve (=debug) the not-so-bad client/server mode.

Which group is Ritlabs targeting?

> And I do want them to keep in business so they will continue to
> support and improve the many TB features that I love.

Yes, but competitors don't sleep ;-)
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Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features

[Carsten Thönges]

* Robert Silver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Why  can't  the  bat with all its extra features many of them nice but
> some of them not that important do the following:

> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner

Because TB! users don't want that.

> (2)  Have  the  option of viewing HTML pages in its viewer. The double
> clicking  attachments  is  cumbersome. It would be much better if that
> feature  was  simply  optional and utilized function calls to existing
> browser code like Hotmetal used to do or other HTML editors could.

Because TB! users don't want the HTML engine to connect to the outer
world.

> (3) Read NNTP News Groups

TB! is no newsreader. Why don't you use a tool like Dialog[1] or Gnus?

[1] http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
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Re: special characters

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Miguel A. Urech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Allie,

>> I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the
>> character and then paste it.

Hm, I disagree... should this really be part of a mail program?

> What about using QTs?

Yes, that's it! (I use the QT "(c)" for the "Copyright" symbol)
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Re: S/MIME on ML's

[Carsten Thönges]

* "Miguel A. Urech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have reviewed other S/MIME signed messages and no, no trailer. I
> thought it could be a "display problem" in TB but looking at the
> source of the messages shows the trailer isn't there. A list server
> problem?

Problem? No. S/MIME signature check would fail if the list server
modified the message... so this is okay.
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Re: Replies kept in same folder as received

[Carsten Thönges]

* "M. Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> After incoming mail is filtered it is moved.  Let's say from Inbox to
> MyTopicFolder.  Now I reply to a message in MyTopicFolder.
>
> The reply should be stored in MyTopicFolder, not in Sent Mail.  How
> do I do that (for the entire account, not just one folder)?

please read
http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/pipermail/tbtech/2002-August/03.html

I'd say that what you want here cannot be done with The Bat! (today).
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