Re: Hungarian manual

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 13 Jun 2005,
   @  @  at 13:09:12 +0200, when Vili wrote:

>>> Is there an English manual anywhere?
M>> Perhaps it will translate with something like
M>> 
http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Hungarian&to=English

> I have tried: as expected, the Hungarian language is too complicated
> for a translator software :) It works for "I love you, Darling", but I
> have tried a simple sentence and it failed totally

"I love you, darling" might be very complicated sentence. Be
careful/cautious. (-;

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Re: Desktop Search Tools

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 11 May 2005,
   @  @  at 06:45:29 -0700, when Steve Thomas wrote:

> Hello tbudl,

>   Are there any desktop search tools that can search TB message files?
>   I'm thinking in terms of Google or Yahoo desktop search engines.

Not yet as I know. You might use TB itself or perhaps Mailbag Assistant.

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Re: SMTP problem solved

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 4 May 2005,
   @  @  at 12:41:19 +0200, when Vili wrote:

> I  reflected  the  _tone_  of  Peter's email. Read it again: "Well, if
> server  is OK and address is OK and server moans about address, either
> one must be not OK. Quite obvious, isn't it?"

> "Quite  obvious,  isn't it?" Do you feel the tone? I reflected to this
> _tone_... Not your first sentence.

Ah there, days of "hypersensitivity" ride again. No please, please no.
[By the voice of Eddie Murphy.] I can stand a hammer breaking my leg but
cannot stand a whining. It really ruins and tortures me. Please stop it.

Vili, beware of "nice" tone delivering bad information. (-; Peter
delivered a *good* one, stimulating you to think straightly. I really do
not see any..."tone" in it, being very "special". It indeed is quite
obvious and that's it.

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Re: Announcement: The Bat! Nailclipper

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 2 May 2005,
   @  @  at 13:15:34 +0100, when admin@ wrote:

> But now you have a fully configured Enail Client with an active e-nail
> account on one of the free fingers.

Good! Now, just to find a free finger...

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Re: TB! and PGPDisk

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 3 May 2005,
   @  @  at 22:33:00 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

MM>> Well, all in all, Richard, I could cooly suggest you to give the
MM>> PGPDisk a nice try, it will show quite fine, and I also suggest you
MM>> to *install* TB too to a such encrypted disk. This way you'll get
MM>> maximum "protection", in a very easy, simple and elegant way.

> I'll give it a try, but another question just occurred to me: When I
> backup my drive to an external drive, am I correct in assuming that
> the encrypted disk may not copy correctly?

Well, an encrypted disk is actually a file (sometimes called "container"
as well), created and laying around on your HDD, and when it is mounted,
it shows as a "drive", or an individual "partition" of your HDD. So, you
can manipulate it in two ways: 1) as a file, and 2) as a partition.

 1) As with a file, you can do anything to it, like with any other
 file, including copying, and copying will be definitely as
 "correct" as of any other file. There are no any specific issues or
 "threats" that something will "get wrong" with it, just because it
 is a "container".

 2) As with partition, you can use its content as you would with any
 other partition.

I, personally, in the moment prefer following way of "backing up":
having an encrypted disk of 600 MB only for Mail (folder) and TB, I can
back up (copy) this "container" on a CD-RW easily. The mail which
accumulates (and hence is not possible to be on a such limited space, of
600 MB minus some "free space") I simply "redirect" to other
places/archives/"containers", keeping just "working" (most
"actual"/important) one in this "main" container.

You can do that otherwise, there are really plenty ways of handling it,
more appropriate for given situations, personal "taste" etc.

I, again, never worked with really "large" containers, for instance of
1, 2 or more GB, since simply have no a "feeling" of "security" with
*that* large encrypted disks. (-; Firstly, it's really BIG amount of
data at only ONE place, and something in my guts says "hmmm", which is a
sign to me to peep into this a bit closer, after which I usually "change
my mind" swiftly, finding better solutions. And secondly, I like to have
smaller amounts of data on smaller "carriers" so I can manipulate them
in more ways, and faster.

That's the reason why I prefer to have more smaller containers scattered
around, rather than "entrust" all my "treasure" just to one of them.

That's also the reason why I *could* say that all my encrypted disks
were always "copied correctly", all these years, so no fear of it, but I
*couldn't* assert it if some much bigger containers are used, since I am
not enough informed/experienced as to technology of "(extra)large
containers" (if any of such technology exists at all).

Perhaps might be that some parameters of crypto technology vary/change
when "big mass/space" is involved, and if any, such things might be much
better explained by someone more versed than I am.

///

As for TB installation on the dedicated encrypted disk... It's not a big
problem and you wouldn't have to *reinstall* TB, or to install it anew.
You would have just to edit slightly TB registry entry (search/replace
to point to the new address), and then to move entire TB folder to the
new address, keeping this way all your preferred settings "intacta".

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Re: TB! and PGPDisk

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 3 May 2005,
   @  @  at 08:08:17 -0400, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> I’ve been waiting for message-base encryption to be implemented, but
> have been thinking of an interim solution using PGPDisk. Would it slow
> down TB! downloads, etc., to move the message folders to an encrypted
> disk? Obviously the encrypted disk would need to be opened before
> opening TB!, but can anyone suggest any other potential issues?

I've been also thinking pretty much about very same issues, and after
releasing (unleashing? (-: ) of the "famous" version 3, I was forced to
tighten this consideration even more, as to what I would *really* get
with regards to the "security/privacy", and what could be even a greater
*threat* to these two, instead (having in mind the pretty... flighty
treatment in issuing this TB version, at least so far).

So, my general "feeling", or to say "working conclusion", is that TB, in
the current edition, is not reliable, as to things mentioned, and even
might represent pretty high risk, so that the serious things, as this
"mail base" encryption is, should be entrusted to a serious dedicated
and specialized, "proved", applications, to a "standalone" "system"
*independent* of The Bat.

Hence, I find that PGPDisk is a much better solution, and incomparably
more reliable (for those who use non-NT Windows branches, Scramdisk is
even better!). I do have one PGP encrypted disk "designed" only for
Mail, and TB working folder(s), and am very pleased with how it works.

Since TB installation also dwells on this disk, it is not possible to
start even TB, if the PGP disk is not "unlocked". Beautiful!

As to possible "slowing down" of the normal work with mail/TB, there is
no any fear, it always works just fine, and "smoothly". Of course, you
would have to bear in mind that a PGP disk is treated as any other
"real" disk, so once it's "mounted", you'd have to maintain it properly,
for instance to provide it with enough free space, to defragment it now
and then, when is needed etc.

And... (-: yes, I too was pretty handsomely allured by this charming
"on-the-fly-encryption", since it, *as idea*, sounds so fine,
intelligent and handy, but...from an idea to a *real*, good, solid
thing, there is some work to be *done*, and hence some "fine ideas"
might...marinate for...years (-; and since I can't use an idea for a
real thing, I had to change my mind and to turn to a real thing, which
is PGPDisk, in this case.

Pity, I was just so eager and zealous to get a TB copy registered to my
name...

Well, all in all, Richard, I could cooly suggest you to give the PGPDisk
a nice try, it will show quite fine, and I also suggest you to *install*
TB too to a such encrypted disk. This way you'll get maximum
"protection", in a very easy, simple and elegant way.

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Re: Was I dreaming...?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 2 May 2005,
   @  @  at 13:10:17 +0100, when Marten Gallagher wrote:

>> Sunday, May 1, 2005, Admin at AK wrote:

>>> Sometime earlier this year there was an email about a version of TB
>>> that would run from a memory stick.

>> This definitely rang a bell. So I did some searching and found The Bat!
>> Voyager
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=725&phrase_id=745609

> 2 and a half months later - no show - what's the next layer above (below?) 
> vapourware?

> Vaccuumware?

Blackholeware. (-: And on the other side of it (that is, one side is
sucking in, and the other one is sucking/spitting out). The Cosmical
metabolism. (:

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Re: Was I dreaming...?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 2 May 2005,
   @  @  at 02:31:52 +0200, when Mica Mijatovic wrote:

> (But I am anyway curious about that "major changes in GUI". What would
> be that...)

A blonde TB? (-:

A brunette, with green eyes? (-:

Long legged one? :eyes:

Mmm...what a -- 

Ouch?

(-:

Let's see, let's see... Keep our spirit high.

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Re: Was I dreaming...?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 1 May 2005,
   @  @  at 20:09:17 +0100, when Admin at AK wrote:

> Back before Christmas there was mention of an updated version of TB.

> Sometime earlier this year there was an email about a version of TB
> that would run from a memory stick.

> Were these both dreams I had or have I missed something?

Some dreams are of a such sort that (wo)man feel a strong need to wake
up as soon as possible, preferably immediately. Unfortunately, it's not
always possible. (-:

(I am sorry to be such a pain in brain, but at least *one* reverend
participant on this friendly list has to be a bit...snappy in critique,
or the "dreams" might become pretty...suffocating. Does a good horse
needs a spur actually?)

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Re: Was I dreaming...?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 2 May 2005,
   @  @  at 09:19:01 +1000, when Robin Anson wrote:

> On Mon 2 May 2005, 5:12:20 +1000, Marek Mikus wrote:
>> new version 3.5 with major changes in GUI will be released in May, we
>> have first Release Candidate actually.

> Now I'm getting excited!

Hehehe... Spare few drops of hormones, just in case you'd need them for
something...real. (-:

> But what happened to versions 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4???

Hmmm... You are too much into conventional math, Robin. (-:

(But I am anyway curious about that "major changes in GUI". What would
be that...)

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Re: Smileys

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 28 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 23:46:20 +0200, when Urban wrote:

> Thursday, April 28, 2005, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>> Then the chubby woman begin to sing, and that's it.

> Oh, I thought they only did that in Wagner :-)

Nay. It's a different woman and a different song. (-:

[Has nothing with the "saying". Although it *resembles* a tiny bit it.
But what resembles just resembles; is not same. (-; You anyway have good
tags lately. Thanks for amusement! Reading all the time dull dry
technical stuff soon becomes...well, boooriiing...  (-: ]

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Re: Using a S/Mime certificate with no specific email adress included

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 29 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 14:19:53 +0200, when Stephane Bouvard [ML] wrote:

> In Belgium, we have now an electronic identity card...  this card
> include a certificate allowing us to digitaly sign a document/email...

> The problem is : this certificate is used to authenticate our name,
> not a "temporary" or a specific email address...  it means that this
> certificate does not mention any email address...

> Consequence, when i try to sign a mail with The Bat! Pro, it tell
> me that there isn't any certificate for my email address (i think that
> The Bat only try to find a certificate with my email address, and
> refuse to use a certificate not mentionning it )...  but i do not find
> how i can ask it to use my "address-less" certificate...

> With Microsoft Outlook, i need to manualy change a registry key to
> allow it :
> HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\11.0\Outlook\Security\SupressNameChecks

> Is it possible with The Bat ! ?  Or did i need to forget TB and use Outlook ?

Hmm...that's problem with The Bat (btw, you can't change anything in
this regard in TB's registry entry), and as I know it's not solved in
any way. You might cheat though TB by associating a fake/"blank" address
to your nick/name (like giving the address in a form -- literally --
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ), but again it will be, via TB, associated only
with the corresponding account, which hence must be tied to the fake
address, and a fake address you cannot use for any correspondency.

There are some other limitations as to PGP keys used in TB, for
instance, when you want to sign a message, you'll be offered *only*
those keys with the address corresponding to the actual account (while
in some earlier versions you could freely use *any* key with any address
associated). Etc. There are some other...peculiarities too, but let's
them put aside in the moment, it's already pretty messy situation with
some *really* important and essential features, being consistently
neglected, in the strange favour of definitely nonessential ones.

A bearable "workaround" would be perhaps that authors get these,
actually nonsensical, and absolutely unnecessary, limitations --
"unblocked", allowing this way the user to choose *any* PGP
key/certificate s/he wants to use (with or without address!), since TB
does not have and "rights" actually to "think" and "decide" instead the
user which key will be used and in a what way: it is entirely and
strictly the matter of the user him/herself, and of the external program
(PGP/GPG/etc) s/he uses, in the way s/he wants to use it. TB is here
just an "intermediary" and shouldn't in any way interfere with something
it's not allowed or even appropriate to interfere with.

That is, I should be able, for instance, to sign a message with key 1,
then to encrypt it with a key 2 and to send it using account with
address corresponding to a key 3. (-:

That's my *right* to do with my keys what *I* want and what *I* find
appropriate. Not what some "software" tells me what is "good" "for me".
It is nonsensical. (-:

These "associations" of keys/certificates with accounts/addresses etc.
should be dismissed. So, when a User wants to sign/encrypt a message,
then *all* keys/certificates on disposal should be offered, in *any*
account.

Isn't that obvious? (-:

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Re: Column settings don't stick?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 28 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 10:47:48 -0700, when Susanne wrote:

> I recently created a new account (have upgraded from version
> 1.62 to 2.12 since I last created one), and I can't get the
> column settings to stay the way I set them up.

> They revert back to the default every time I close TB.

> Copying the settings from my old accounts to the new one
> doesn't work either.

> Help, please?

Right click on the "From" field in the message list pane, choose "Manage
View Modes", then add a new one or edit the old one, and when you are
finished, push the "Use by..." button (gently) and select which
folders/accounts you want/desire/wish/yearn to see the way you just have
arranged for yourself.

If you then finally vent saying spontaneously "thanks God!" then the
procedure shown above has delivered stroke to the right chord.

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Re: Smileys

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 28 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 18:43:02 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Urban & everyone else,

> on 28-Apr-2005 at 17:38 you (Urban) wrote:

>>> I'll only vote yes on this if I get *this* as bold and _that_ as
>>> underlined and /those/ as italics auto-interpreted, too. ;-)

>> Hopefully, /that/ will never happen.

> Are you referring to the /italics/ only, because the slash is a regex
> escape character?

I don't understand. Aren't asterisks and brackets also parts of the
regex syntax, and we anyway use them all in a "regular text"?

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Re: Smileys

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 28 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 17:38:50 +0200, when Urban wrote:

Ah, a new tag in the (text) block! Yum!

> A virtuoso is a musician with real high morals.

Yeah, they like to play long, long (de)cadences, until they eventually
come to/at the end. (-: In this or that way.

Then the chubby woman begin to sing, and that's it.

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Mica
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Re: Can the messages in different message base be merged?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri,  8 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 21:00:22 -0700, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there a way to get The Bat! to start as if it is a new installation
> -- without actually re-installing it? Or get The Bat! to look at
> another directory for the mail folders?

1) Delete registry entry...

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\software\rit\The Bat!]

...and start thebat.exe. You'll be prompted for the standard info as
when you install it for the first time.

2) The path to "Mail" directory/folder you can set at
Options|Preferences|System|Mail Directory.

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Re: Account password problem; locked out!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 5 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 14:31:05 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote:

> Hi Mica,

> On Tuesday, April 05, 2005, at 1:45:42 PM PST, you wrote:

>> This also made me to "forget" about any more serious security/privacy
>> of such a sort of "protection", since actually all this mail of yours
>> is *accessible* to anyone all the time, obviously, just by applying
>> the method above.

> Thanks! Considering the above, I decided to go about it in a different
> way. :-)

> I've created an encrypted volume (PGPdisk), and the entire "MAIL"
> folder is now contained on this volume, and TB! can only access it
> when the volume is mounted.

The pretty same setting I have here, although I keep both TB and
(separately) Mail folder on a such disk. Although I am a bit surprised
since I thought that you already practise similar strategy, since I
still regard and remember you as (one of) my favorite PGP Teacher(s).

> My computer is going to the doctor tomorrow for some upgrades and
> maintenance work, and even though I trust the guy who will do the
> work, I thought I would do this just to be safe (and I've been
> thinking about doing this for a long time anyway).

My machine doesn't go anymore to anyone's "third" hands. (-; I maintain
all thingies myself. Will not tell you now a stories and fables why,
since I still would love to have you as a PGP Teacher of mine. --
Absolutely regardless of how much I trust any chosen guy/girl working in
service, my disk would be pretty empty of my personal/"sensitive" data,
and *absolutely* without any encrypted container/file on it.

Might be it's a matter of another misunderstanding in this recent
"chain" of them on the list(s), but you are surprising me pretty much
lately.

Anyway, I allowed finally myself to be surprised, so if it has to be
then let it be. (-: Against gravitation, even if possible, resistance is
pretty exhausting.

> Thanks again! :-)

You are quite welcome! And I cheer you to get out of problems soon! (-:
Don't give up!

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Re: Account password problem; locked out!

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 5 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 12:24:34 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote:

> This has never happened to me before, but it has now, and it's a major
> problem.

> I tried to password protect one of my accounts, and ever since I
> applied the password, whenever I try to open the account and type in
> the password, TB! stops responding! (after typing the password, then
> "OK"). I'm running TB! v2.12.00, and until this moment, it has given
> me no such trouble.

> Any help you can offer would be appreciated.  The account in question
> is my "main, personal" account, and I really need to get into it.

Hm... I am not sure that TB itself is the source of problem; perhaps it
might interfere somehow with (something in) OS. Not pleasant anyway, but
if you want to access (even all) mail from this account, it is possible!

Just save/copy all the folders on your disk with .tbb and .tbi, files to
another place, then make a new account in TB (temporarily, until you
solve the problem) and point to these files/mail of yours -- and you
have them unlocked/accessed!

It's been happening to me as well, sometime ago, and by applying the
very same method I got all my mail back!

This also made me to "forget" about any more serious security/privacy of
such a sort of "protection", since actually all this mail of yours is
*accessible* to anyone all the time, obviously, just by applying the
method above.

I do hope you feel better now, being that major problem is solved! (-:

I also hope I was clear enough; if I am not, ask me for details.

///
...As to general issue of effectiveness of such a "protection"...I
somehow cannot think about now, since in the very moment my thoughts
lead me to other directions. Might be someone else could have thought or
two in this regard and of how to make this protection really effective.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 5 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 20:16:14 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Mica,

My wai.

[...]

> Are we going in circles yet?

I don't know. I see the things circling around me but I myself am quite
steady, and am parked well. How do *you* feel?

> Should this be moved to TBOT?

I don't know. (-: Decide yourself.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 5 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 17:36:21 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> I am self confident enough that I don't need any approval for my
> attitude and position.

> Please, stop analyzing me, Mica.

Alexander, I do am aware, excellently, that you are self confident, and
it indeed is not my business or I would find appropriate to deal with
it, in any personal way.

But I also *have* to say, that what I indeed find very appropriate for
analyzing are the attitudes and technics you (and all of us) are
presenting here, on a public list, related to usage of software. After
all, we are all here exactly for such an activity, to analyze and to
think about all presented views, opinions and experiences, in order to
apply the results in our practice.

If you, or anyone else, for any reason, and in any moment, cannot
*distinguish/discriminate* these two elementary things, then of course
that communication makes no sense and is fruitless.

The outcome of such (temporal or more durable) inability of ours to
recognize difference between these two things, leads to the "famous"
(and lately already a pretty boring too) feeling that someone is
"personally attacked" and/or treated in any other or similar *personal*
way, just by exposing to an analyze the *technics* s/he utilizes.

Please, let's recollect ourselves and bring our activities here to a
more effective level, putting aside a bit these so vulnerable
"personalities" whining after us all the time. Is that somehow possible?

"Self confidence" can be (and often is!) built even without any special
*content*, or even on a totally *wrong* content. This is *not* my
target, I do not point to it, and I am not interested in it, as a member
of this, "expert", list.

And, if some elements of our personalities are not distinguished well
enough from elements of our topics here, it's not "my business" to
"correct" this, and to "treat" this at all.

But, if such lack of enough effective discrimination spoils the purpose
and diminishes fruitfulness of the activities of the list itself, then
I, as a member of this list, have full and legitimate *rights* to
complain and to point this, and to call for corrections.

This letter, in reply to Alexander's, is addressed to *whole* list.

If I am wrong, in any part, please, you all, *let* me know, and I will
correct myself, *immediately*.

But, again, seek to use a good, *solid* arguments, based on well read
and well considered contents.

"Arguments" of a type "the earth is pizza-like, and I have 6 (or even
thousands of) friends who will affirm/'witness/attest/certify' that
too", will make no difference.

Thanks!

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 04 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 16:16:37 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:46:50 +0200, Mica Mijatovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:

>> /// So, it *is* about money, since the value system used to estimate a
>> software, is directly derived, to a significant extent, from what money
>> means/represents to someone, a particular person, or a group of them.
>> This will be clearly shown in the mentioned message of mine; and for
>> purely practical reasons we deal with here.

> Mica, because *you* think it is about money, I still see no need to
> discuss this any further with you; I tried to mail you off list since this
> is getting largely OT for quite a while. I am not interested in that kind
> of conversation, so please stop trying to force me into some higher social
> details of the story that I see no need to discuss. I've explained my
> position, please leave me be the way I am.

I do not force you (or anyone) at all. (-:

This also is not OT at all -- it is exactly in the very heart/core of
the topic: evaluation of the software.

You have your opinions/experiences I have mine. I listen to the yours, I
think, reflect on the them, and am able hence to find something useful
for me in it, in various ways. You, though, have different approach, and
your attitude in conversation is "leave me alone! live me alone! I don't
want to hear, don't force me!"

So, what to do with such "communication"? (-:

In other words, you need just an echo of your attitudes (to feel "safe"
and "accepted"), while I examine things in order to find a best
solution, and am ready by default to change/modify my attitude to fit
with those newly discovered facts, regardless where they are coming
from, and regardless even if I would receive a punch or two around a
corner.

So, what such so different approaches can do one with another? (-:
Nothing. What a benefit of "forcing" things then? None. Is a
communication possible then? Nope. Do I like Beckett? Yes. Is this a
fine day. Yes. Shell I wheel a bit? Yes. (-:

But...I'll just say this, on my way to the pleasure ground: pretty much
of these "tests" many of us so passionately tend to accept as a "facts",
are paid by some money, coming from someone. (To some minds, money has
very strong effects on their, proper, working; and, it is not against
money, it is about such minds. Money + a "cool"/cherished mind works
*wonders*! Money + frowzy/neglected mind = disaster!)

My passions though, I love to direct to other directions.

(And please, if you can concentrate somehow on this -- do not quote my
address in the body of your replies. I am not angry, but would just love
not to see, anyone's, exposed this way. That, in very elementary
privacy/security awareness on the "end user" level. What benefit of a
tool if we do not handle it properly?)

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 04 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 11:01:00 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote to Anthony:

> Your security model just isn't practical for many if not most users.

Security model is only one,
and is same for all.

If you're swimming upstream,
you will find its source.

Drinking from the well,
the model's getting clear.

Confusion disappears,
ducklings plash in mirth,
practical for All.
(Not even for the "many".)

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Mica
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 4 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 22:17:47 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:54:04 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 21:54 +0700 GMT),
> Mica Mijatovic wrote:

MM>> If I know that someone is not practising appropriate methods in
MM>> making his/her machine "safe", I will not accept an invitation, for
MM>> instance, to "chat" with him/her, will not share files with etc.
MM>> So, if someone really wants me in this environment s/he will *do*
MM>> what is needed.

> The problem is that you usuallly don't know it until being told. In
> the meantime, you might have shared infected files.

In the meantime you could learn too. There are many ways. Once scorched
you'll probably be more careful next time(s), with this source/person.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 4 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 16:44:00 +0200, when Anthony G. Atkielski wrote:

> Allie Martin writes:

>> It's ridiculous now and we simply have to run the software rather
>> than sit thinking that we alone can make the difference.

> It only gets dangerous when you stop thinking.

It might get dangerous even if you are thinking. (-: Even more. LOL

So, the most kinky, I mean unconv{entional|ient}, part for some of us is
seemingly that we have to learn, to get a bit of education, even on how
to *think* properly.

And that's what is pinching...

- --
Mica
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 4 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 12:54:53 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> I see postings here that blame the average user, I don't think that is
> fair. Melissa Reece mentioned "a bit of end user education" - well,
> who's going to do that?

We. The "users". When we, as individuals, ponder, and learn some basic
and indispensable things, and when we are applying them in our daily
practice, then all the rest will *have* to learn few bits of this and
that too, just in order to communicate with us, and to share our common
communication environment.

If I know that someone is not practising appropriate methods in making
his/her machine "safe", I will not accept an invitation, for instance,
to "chat" with him/her, will not share files with etc. So, if someone
really wants me in this environment s/he will *do* what is needed.

Like a "safe sex". You have to know/learn some facts about physiology,
sociology, psychology, anthropology, cosmogony...even if you are not an
"expert", that is a physiologist, sociologist etcetera. You surely will
not have/invite a "third person/part" to give you a "technical support"
in the moment you have a wish to spend few minutes, or hours, or
days...with your sweetheart.

("You" is here used in a "narrative" fashion; it's not a direct
addressing to you.)

- --
Mica
PGP keys nestled at: http://bardo.port5.com/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 215 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
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Re: Anti Virus S/W

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 04 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 08:57:42 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:29:15 +0200, Mica Mijatovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:

>> Okay, it's about money. I could write some 5-6 KB on this topic,

> This is not about money, this is about the quality of the
> software, is that SO hard to understand?

I am sorry to see you that upset, but it is not my fault. If you would
read collected and really attentively, and not only my message(s), you
would be in a much better position to understand both yourself, others,
including your customers/clients, and my messages.

*Because*, I do not write and spend my time "for nothing" here, or in
any other list, and at all, or for I have no other things to do in my
life. I'll not explain now *why* I write, and in the way I do that, but
will just say in this moment that these messages have a *sense*, which
cannot be beneficial for someone who do not *think* about the content.

And such are not only *my* messages.

Do *not* be deluded by my "jovial" "style". Simply do *not*. A "serious"
person, in spite of such a "style" will indeed pay an appropriate
attention to the content. If that is omitted, than it is not my "fault".

I am doing "my part of job", and am giving my best in a given moment, so
am expecting the other side doing their.

We are not here to quarrel, but to help one another. At least, that's
how I understand the purpose of this, and similar, "expert", lists.

/// So, it *is* about money, since the value system used to estimate a
software, is directly derived, to a significant extent, from what money
means/represents to someone, a particular person, or a group of them.
This will be clearly shown in the mentioned message of mine; and for
purely practical reasons we deal with here.

\\\ Since you stress "understanding", "seriousness" of
"security/privacy", I have to please you to pay attention not to quote
my address in your replies, and please use a proper way of addressing,
when you write me privately/off-list (see the bottom lines in my
signature).

I see today you have sent me a message off-list but it's been deleted
from server, due to improper use of my address...

 2005-04-04, 12:56:35: FETCH - Message from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 "Alexander S. Kunz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
 subject " Re: Anti Virus S/W",
 (ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Size:4106 bytes) is marked
 for DELETION by the filter "C5AM-new"

...so I would please you to send it again, addressed properly.

Also, I would like if you would read again my message
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, about mechanisms of external
authorities, and "big money" environments, their specific value systems
and ways of operating -- focused to and applied in domain of software,
and especially related to the privacy/security branch.

I also would like if we would *always* have in our minds the very reason
why we are here: to peruse and investigate things, and to exchange our
results and experiences -- in order to help one another, in a more
effective usage and orientation. It will indeed, sometimes, shake our
own value systems up, since the ways of how some apparently unconnected
things show actually very tightly connected, if we a bit closer examine
(or even better, *experience*) them.

But nevertheless, I very appreciate such sort of "quakes" since it will
show me the weak points, and will "force" me to take a new, much better
and stabler position. If I get even some "bruises", and expose myself to
other sorts of "inconveniences" in it, it's not that big deal in
comparison to what I get as a final result.

That's one of reasons I "dare" to write about some things, in a way I
do; even if it is not very "popular".

(If I wanted to be "popular" and/or "celebrity" I would apply quite
different approaches, and/or "working environments".)

As to "nativeness" of our languages: English is not my "native" one too.
But our "mis|understanding" here has very little or nothing with it.
Practise! Exercise! This is after all a language you encounter daily
dealing with computers. The best practice is -- writing and reading.
Especially *attentively* reading! And reading *again*. When *I* do so,
often just few words in a new context will give me much wider and richer
and more precise ways to convey and receive an information.

Here you are in position to have practically an "interactive course" in
English. There are members who use this language in so excellent way
that learning/improvement gets acceleration "in no

Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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I'll chop just tiny bit of this message in this moment, since I am
pretty asleep, will have to plunge into my bed, and to dream something
nice, by chance, if it turned to be a dreaming night, which sometimes
happens, and sometimes not, almost.

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 00:57:11 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

1)

> This perhaps leads to a meta discussion about the different types and
> motivations of free software, and it was not my intention to lead the
> discussion into that direction.

> My intention was only to state a bold "be aware" when talking about
> free-of-cost antivirus programs. since in that context, I found no free
> software that serves the purpose well enough; and another "be aware" seeing
> how easily people recommend this or that program, just because they like it
> - and this personal liking often goes beyond functionality and/or reason.

Okay, it's about money. I could write some 5-6 KB on this topic,
probably on TBOT, these days, but be warned -- this theme is even much
more "taboo" than a *hot*, hot sex(uality)!

It might hurt someone's feelings, since it's about a false sense of
personal "security" some people "derive" from having/spending money.

2)

> Hope you had a nice ride. :-)

Oh, I had! (-: It was a wet, a bit foggy night, with tiny tiny rain,
almost as a water dust, so fresh and sappy air, and enough dark along
the rivers. (Which smelt so good! Danube is pretty high here so the
first level of quay is under water completely, with lots of trees and
fern.) Chilly frosty and sharp night, just as I needed then. But had to
go back somewhat "prematurely" since I got hungry suddenly and had spent
my olives too fast.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 11:39:02 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,

> on 03-Apr-2005 at 11:16 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote:

>>> Nonsense.

>> It has worked flawlessly for me for many years.

> That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.

 |~~|
 | *Nothing* works in same way "for everyone else". (-: |
 |~~|

That's the point of all this recent segment of the thread.

There is a certain "chemistry" between a software and a human being, as
there is a "chemistry" between two humans.

One might have a *jewel* in his/her hands, but if s/he is taking some
*external* "authority" to "verify" her/his *own personal* experience,
then s/he is simply lost, since is not using own personal capabilities
to estimate the value of it, the jewel, when it is -- in her/his *own*
hands! (-: The jewel will *not* ray the same values in different hands.

That's the reason why is good to just "introduce" some "pair", *if* we
think/feel, they will "go well together". That is, to say some
*elementary* words about some software, and not indulge in a fantasy
what *you* would do, or feel, if you would "possess" it/him/her. (-;

You know, it is a bit..."perverse", in the "other", not very "pleasant",
sense of this word; a bit..."inappropriately obtrusive". (-;


DISCLAIMER:

And...if someone even *try* to see even a *shadow* of the thought, of
how is that above a "nonsense", or a "ridiculous rat" -- think again,
and at least 36 times, before you expose in a most vulnerable way to my
"tiny" cannon overfull by silvery. (-:

*This* missive, connected with my initial one
, especially with its part
talking about "objective" "testing" in a compulsive "business"
(buy-sell) environment, will give the basic elements of a perfect
navigation in the world of software, but wider too, since it relates to
our tendencies to "redirect" our emotions to software, and other
*things*, instead to allow them to flow naturally; which is the reason
why a man would love his car much more than his wife, (-; and why a
woman would be in love with the money much rather than with her hubby.
(-; *There*, why emotions erupt when a talk about software escalates,
and why these estimations are then so fallible.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 3 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 12:28:06 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Jeff Gaines & everyone else,

> on 01-Apr-2005 at 12:05 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote:

>> Has anybody any recommendations for an effective A/V product that will
>> work unobtrusively in the background and check my incoming email?

> Very interesting comparisons can be found on the "comparative" section of
> http://www.av-comparatives.org

> The November 2004 retrospective scanning is very interesting, they tested
> various scanners with completely outdated virus signature files (from
> August 2004) against 8 new in-the-wild viruses|virii|virae (sp?), NOD32 is
> the only one with 100% detection rate - they have a very good
> heuristic/generic scan engine.

If you need some *external* "authority" to "affirm" your very personal
"face-to-fact" experience (or even your *existence* itself! (-: ), then
wouldn't be bad to check out for instance who was nominated, by an
Authority of Nobel's prize(s) in last 10, 20, or even 30 years
(especially "for peace"), when the "global" system of values has began
its severe decomposition. (-:

If *that* is so "reliable", what to say about "authorities" in the
sphere of software.  And especially regarding "security" and
"privacy".

No, and *no*, I do not say that here mentioned NOD32 is a "bad" or not
so good! (My personal experiences with it are excellent.) I just say
that an "external authority" is *not* enough, especially in the areas
where a "big money" is flowing around. Let's be a bit more...reasonable.

There is no guarantees that even a very good software, becoming
"popular", and enough "renowned", will not become "something else"
pretty soon, if there are "enough reasons" for this. Influence of money
and external (especially "corporate") "authority" to human mind,
shouldn't be underestimated.

My intention is here to say: let's try to be our own "navigators", "our
own light", in situations when so many false ones are present. Because,
we *are* capable for this! (-:

And, in some way, we are even *obliged* to do so...

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 2 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 20:25:53 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> While its true you often get what you pay for, I think a reasonable
>> defence can be built for free. Not all AV programs are effective for
>> intercepting spyware.

> You are of course right. Currently, dealing with ad- and spyware requires
> separate programs (Mica: free programs, oh yes ;-).

Did I say "I'll be back"? No? Sorry. (-:

I see you haven't read my passage about *the* free software I refer to,
*yet*, starting with "And just a" and ending with "I do that".

No, I am not angry, still. (-: This would be just a "your negligence
your loss", and a my "oh well".

But if I would write you a *love* letter, and perhaps even asking will
you marry me, *and* if you would read it the way you read, and "think"
about, with an adequate to this reply to me, then I wouldn't be just
"angry", but would be *mad*, mad like a lynx, this big one, and *that*
mad that even a look of mine would be enough for you to "get the
message"; to say nothing about *feather* which would fly around few days
until it give up under the "recommendation" of gravitation.

I'll give you few days more for a better examination of this message of
mine. (-:

Sleep well.

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Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 2 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 18:41:31 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Now, in your very special way you sound as if you're slightly offended
> by that.

Nononononononoono... (-: I am not offended at all, nor am "angry" with
you. I'll say just this shortly since I have to go out for a ride, and
will reply to other technical f...s sometime later.

We (in general) just have certain problems in communication, and *this*
is the part which irritates me, I admit, occasionally: messages are read
generally in a pretty shallow fashion, and readers are prone to react to
some fragments, and phrases, rather than to *think* before this
"spontaneous explosion". It is a matter of a haste, and...well, of some
"global" nervousness. The f..t that we can get and send messages so
quickly all over the globe, doesn't mean that we have to *read* them
this way. Easy, relax. If some are more "complicated", or longer, let's
give them some time more for "treatment". Will be less of confusion and
of wrong "responses".

And, you are one of my "favorite" members (so you are warned now (-; ) I
hardly could get "angry" with; if is not so, would I talk with your tags
every little while? Obviously not. (-:

Off to wheel(s) now!

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[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 2 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 13:21:26 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else,

G'day to All.

> on 02-Apr-2005 at 10:11 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

>> AntiVir

> Every time someone asks for an AV program recommendation, the answers
> contain things like "it always worked for me" or "I had zero issues"
> or "its fast and resource friendly" or even "the best thing: its
> free!" (if thats the best thing for you about a virus scanner, you
> have to seriously think about what your intentions are when using the
> program!)

> In other words: answers that IMHO have *nothing* to do with the choice
> of an AV program. Please, stop it. This is about security, privacy,
> preventing damage to yourself and others, and not some personal
> preference.

It's pretty good said I admit, but am confused over your addressing to
me, that is to my message, you para-reply to, to say so, since plainly
*no* comment you exposed here is relating to what *I* wrote. But I am
accustomed to the chaos and confusion these days occupying global
communications and will exert my famous patience, once more time. (-: In
a measure.

We all have rights to leave our beds using wrong leg(s)/hand(s),
depending on the number of our extremities and their shapes, as well as
on our personal style of communicating with our environment in such
sensitive moments, then barking on the wrong tree(s), benches and
wheels, and feeling sick and tired for nothing then, if we indeed yearn
to make our day, instead to...simply make our day. (-: Because all of
them are anyway...beautiful. Let's attune with/to.

I just said to Allister, that he "would like perhaps to try AntiVir",
listing some main "features" of it, and that was all. I said *nothing*
about anything else, since it has to be done -- on the *user* level. I
can't judge about other's routines and strategies, and of means and ways
he uses to apply them. This is why I used the term "try".

[...]

> A piece of (worthwile?) information maybe. Just for your
> consideration. The following is plain simple FACTS.

Ah, my favorite "f" word! (-:

But you don't have to yell to me, I am not your wife. (-:

Now, well, "testings" are not that bad, but they will vary a *lot*
depending on environment, and even *much* more depending on the given
particular user. In other words and very shortly: all this AV work
depends exclusively on User as the crucial point in the entire AV system
since it is governed -- by the User. No "higher intelligence" is present
in there, and hence no a "best" software.

Someone might screw entire system up, using the "best" and "most
expensive" software around (sounds familiar, you work in a service,
no?), while someone else might make quite solidly protected system using
almost -- anything!

I personally have just a cute arsenal of this and that, and am using it
in many various ways and amounts (AntiVir is just one of them), as
particular "situation" requires, sticking with no particular software as
with my "favorite" one, since it changes all the time, in all ways and
directions, because they *sell* these things and *this* is the main
value in a such value system, *not* effectiveness/reasonability. (That's
also a reason I like to have some previous and "outdated" software as
well.)

So let's not be deluded much about "perfection" and "the best" whatever
in the realm of software, and especially of the "sensitive" one, as AV
an similar ones are. (-;

"Testings" also serve, in a fine amount, to *sell* the "product", as the
main goal, and are *not* "objective" all the way. In other words, they
like to lie, and they do that. Like any hyperactive addicted seller. (-:

And just a short retrospection, as to "free" software topic, but in a
very selective way... Some people sometimes make software for their
personal use only, and sometimes they also make it publicly accessible.
Such software, being beyond "disordered value systems" found in the
compulsive, obsessive and hyperactive "selling (and buying?)
environments", distinguish by the specific properties of
*purposefulness*, effectiveness, reliability and reasonability. *This*
is the "free" software I recommend, sometimes -- *when* I do that, *and*
in a given time -- which wasn't the case *this* time; and these are the
reasons I do that.

[...]

> 'Nuff said.

There are few letters of Melissa Reese, related to "anti" thingies, both
on this and TBOT list, and they (for instance) really are "enough" to
cover just fine

Re: Anti Virus S/W

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 2 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 14:16:43 +1200, when Allister Jenks wrote:

> Friday, April 1, 2005, 10:05:22 PM, Jeff wrote:

JG>> Has anybody any recommendations for an effective A/V product that will
JG>> work unobtrusively in the background and check my incoming email?

> I recommend AVG.  The best part is it is free!  I've used it for years
> now with zero issues and it integrates nicely with TB!

I know that I pretty often use some "weird", not "main stream",
applications, (-; but you would like perhaps to try AntiVir. No
integration with anything needed, it will check for any IN/OUT traffic
anyway, including POP3, and web pages, and will not slow down/interfere
with any other application. There are free (for personal use) and paid
(for corporate use) editions, direct Internet update, although is
possible to update it via a download manager, if you find it so more
convenient. 

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 2 Apr 2005,
   @  @  at 14:34:43 +1200, when Allister Jenks wrote:

> But hang on - is not the limit of April Fools midday on the day in
> question?

April Fools day is like a wave. It starts at zero point, in Greenwich,
then circumvents entire globe making the world fool, and returns in the
primordial mass of the ordinary days. I doubt pretty much that it has
any respect toward the cult of so called "business world". (-:

This observation of mine would cost yesterday 150 bucks, but today is
for free. (-: Tomorrow, who knows.

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Re: Test - sorry

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 30 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 12:47:32 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

MM>>> For me one jar of black, and one jar of green olives, for a snack, and
MM>>> a small bottle of olive oil, for sipping. Thank you! (-:

>> Sorry - no can do. These form the bulk of my strategic snack-cache, in
>> readiness for when the skies darken as the forces of evil take to the
>> air...

> You intend shooting TB beta versions with olives? Interesting strategy...

Might be he has in mind olive pits/stones. They can make a pretty fine
damage getting acceleration. (-:

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Re: Test - sorry

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 29 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 17:59:09 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Nick Dutton & everyone else,

> on 29-Mrz-2005 at 12:59 you (Nick Dutton) wrote:

>> Like it says in the subject - Sorry.

> This can't be toleranted. Either you send every list member a bottle of
> beer right now (for those that don't want beer, a bar of chocolate), or
> each list member will send you a private test mail.

> Deal? :-)

Deal! Deal! I have charged my mass mailer already. And am caressing the
trigger.

For me one jar of black, and one jar of green olives, for a snack, and a
small bottle of olive oil, for sipping. Thank you! (-:

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Re: Netsky Virus

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 27 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 18:27:17 +0100, when Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> Mrs. Overbearing Nanny (NAV) is pouncing on the infected file before
> TB can handle it and NAV is removing it without any consideration. TB
> forlornly looks around for the file it was processing, sniffs a couple
> of times and collapses in a sobbing heap at the loss of the inbound
> data. Because Nanny has stopped TB from importing the message, it
> remains unprocessed and un-downloaded. And thus, the next time you run
> TB, the same dance is performed.

Hee, heee... Marck, you could perhaps write this way a bit more often.
It's like a slice of a script for a play (or an animated movie). Thanks
for the fun, along with learning. (-:

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Re: Message priority -- possible problem!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 25 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 05:04:37 +0800, when Mic Cullen wrote:

> I wonder if it has to do with localisation? ie, down here in OZ,
> 3,141592653589793 is a vastly bigger number than 3.141592653589793

> No real idea, I'm just guessing.

I have this info...

"The state of Kansas once passed legislation rounding the value of Pi
from 3.14159265... to an even 3."

...but am not sure what to think about. Any ideas?

Although two little 2s will give only one little 4, never one BIG 4.

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Re: Message priority -- possible problem!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 24 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 20:50:38 +0100, when Roelof Otten wrote:

> Well, apparently you're playing with your headers. A priority of pi is
> not what TB uses.

TB uses, seems to me, lots of that. At least v3.0.2.10 has some very
specific response to the pi, absolutely fitting "irrational" mode. To
this irrational number it reacts "inconsistently", or it's a consistence
we still have no discovered. It sometimes my header "X-Priority:
3,141592653589793 (Laid Back)" interprets as "normal" and sometimes as
"high" priority. There, now cope with this!

I find it *very* interesting.

And might be once I'll try to experiment more, but now I retire this
header, since it makes confusion around, as I have learned today, and
annoys/upsets people (I didn't know that! Sorry!).

> It is higher than three, so some clients might legitimately think it
> has a higher priority.

Well, it's not very legitimately, though. Since order of priorities is
like follows:

X-Priority: 2 (High)
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-Priority: 4 (Low)

So it should have to tend to the *lower* priority than "normal", which
was actually my intention.

> I'm seeing it as normal priority though.

Thanks, Roelof!

> As your mailer you're claiming:

MM>> User-Agent: Bianfu! (v2.12.00)

It's "The Bat!" in Chinese. (-:

> So I guess you're manipulating something with X-Ray or the like.

I tend to manipulate with everything which is manipulatable, in most
complicated and magic (confusing?) ways, since my hands and my nervous
system are construed this way and I can't help me. (-: They need
activity.

In this very moment though they are all in glue and grease since I am
chasing a hole in my tire.

User-Agent is done by TB, and X-Priority by X-ray (the later one
disabled, until I estimate the damage).

Let's be careful btw, Mercury is retrograde few days now. And if someone
is prone to tell me it's a bs, think again. (-: Good time for finish
unfinished and for correcting mistakes/omissions. -- There, a free
advice. (-:

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Message priority -- possible problem!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Hello TBUDL,

Please tell me if anyone on this list ever gets my messages marked as of
"high priority"? I all of them get, and send, marked as of "normal
priority", but some members see them in their mailers otherwise. I would
perhaps have some ideas of why it could be so, but anyway would like to
know if someone else have ever had such experiences with my messages.

Please tell also what mailer you use. Thanks. (-:

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Re: Morphing subject selective filter

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 24 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 11:06:24 -0500, when rich gregory wrote:

> Random tagline:

> If women didnt exist; all the money in the world would have no
> meaning. - Aristotle Onassis (1906-1975)

Opps! I forgot to comment this one... we(e) apologize.

5. Yep. The universal "attractiveness". (-:

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Re: Morphing subject selective filter

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 24 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 11:06:24 -0500, when rich gregory wrote:

> Hello Bat-Folk!

Hello Bat-Individual!

> Using TB! v2.12.00...

Glad to meet you, a User of a noble taste and refinement, me too.

> Since the filter interface will not let me selectively delete based on
> text in the body of the message I need to filter on a morphing subject
> line...

> Is there a way to add a selective download filter that will check for
> a match on, say 15, out of 20 or so characters in the subject line?

> I am getting hundreds of these a day:

> wicked [EMAIL PROTECTED] to keep you going
> wicked drug)s to keep you going
> wicked dr*ugs to keep you going
> wicked dr]ugs to keep you going
> wicked dru$gs to keep you going
> wicked drug$s to keep you going
> wicked dr/ugs to keep you going

> Sometimes the word "wicked" is fudged, sometimes other parts of the
> subject, but the phraseology is the same always.

There is no irresolvable problem. Always there is some way which leads
to somewhere. If there's none, we make it. Watch now please...

You would just to add this common "s to keep you going" part to "Signal
strings" and to check radio button "Entire header". Under "Advanced" tab
the "Action" is "Kill" and "Detection method" is "Any string match".

Being that the subject string is in the header, manipulable by SD
filters, it will catch the beasts and will destroy them all, right in
the front of your digital doors.

BUT, please pay attention to few things here...

1. If ``sometimes the word "wicked" is fudged, sometimes other parts of
the subject'' then this "common" part will not be just that common, and
this shift of mine will not work.

2. That was the reason (these mutable fudges, which are practically
uncatchable by any regex-es) for me to change entire "style/approach",
and to start filtering against the *way of addressing me* (which saved
me of an *enormous* amount of SPAM). If you are interested in such sort
of strategy, you might find possibly useful to examine the thread
"Again,why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of
SPAM", starting with .

3. If you follow the road No. 2, you would have to remodel a wee bit
your mailing routines and these of (some of) your correspondents.

4. That's it.

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Re: Mailwasher Pro

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 25 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 17:15:39 -0800, when George Mitchell wrote:

> Mica Mijatovic wrote:

MM>> I mean, I can't see what's wrong if you delete automatically *all*
MM>> SPAM right from the server, without doing anything else, including
MM>> the rummage over and over over downloaded garbage, in order to
MM>> possibly find a misinterpreted jewel. (-:

> My take on spam filtering is that it is unacceptable for me to lose a
> single legitimate message to an overeager filter.  POPFile rarely
> misclassifies a legitimate message as spam, but it does happen.  I
> gave BayesFilter about a week, and it didn't do a very good job at
> all.  No way would I trust it to make a decision to delete a message.

George, I wrote in this message you response here to, the next part:

"I'll give to myself yet few days more, since I still cannot perceive a
flexibility in doing more instead less, and less effectively instead
more effectively. (:"

It was on Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:50:57 +0100. So, I indeed gave myself time
to reconsider thing, and may now freely say, and with my heart full, and
my conscience 'clean', that a message which is not properly addressed to
you is *not* a "legitimate" message. So, your fear is unnecessary and
unjustifiable.

It, of course, doesn't mean that I have something *against* your ways
and methods, or simply habits. You may proceed with worrying
unnecessarily and in spending your precious time in the way you are
accustomed too. (-:

(All our habits are actually "engraved" in in our ne{ural|rvous} system,
and they need some tome to be re-written|modeled, whence we became aware
of a such need. It is somewhat "unpleasant" process sometimes, and
sometimes it even hurts (ouch!) a bit. When is the moment in our
precious "life times" when we'll *do* something or not, remains a
mystery for many.)

Your fellow Batty colleague. (-:

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Re: Closing the Bat after a timeout

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 16 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 15:26:18 +, when David Anderson wrote:

> If I then try to close the program I get a "Some tasks are now active"
> warning message with "Do you want to exit when they are finished". The
> three buttons "Yes No Abort" have no impact whatsoever.

> How does one shut down without having to kill the application?

Hmm...the eternal moral problem.

Do Ctrl+Alt+Del and see if beside TB is reading "not responding".

If reads, you just have to kill the mule, no other solutions.

If doesn't read, you have other solutions on disposal: Yes, No, Abort --
coming from TB itself.

If they do not "response" and the Thing behave yet "autistic", you could
perhaps pray a bit, if you are in mood. I suggest, for today, some
Navajo "prayer".

You also could find cozy to indulge in writing a bug report, or to give
a speech in Hide Park. If you do not find it all the same. Or even if
you do.

That's all what I have in my mind, in this very moment. Keep spirited.
Compress your TB folders regularly. And often. Less informations in TB's
head, less possibilities for it to get confused, and/or staggering,
which prolongs the time of its activities, on the Winblows' stage.

Ah yes! There is a beautiful helper: a Brick program with which you can
break your screen flinging a digital brick! I have no the URL handy, but
if nothing else helps, I could dig around and find it out for you.

There is even some machine-gun/bazooka program, for the same purpose,
but this one is hard to find.

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Re: Thinking about v3

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 10 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 16:39:21 -0800, when Melissa Reese wrote:

> over that past few years, I've implemented more
> "complicated/convoluted" filter rules than I can count or even
> remember. All I know is that they're working! :-)

That's pretty same situation with me too. I had made them, and I forgot
how, for many of them. But they are working.

> I had to dig into my filters and make some adjustments when I moved
> from v1 to v2, and I'm wondering if I'll have to do the same if I now
> move on to v3?

You will have to. (-: At *least* for just few of them, or in general
depending on how much you made them "complicated/convoluted", "along the
way".

I was told that the old filters will "automatically" adjust/transfer to
the new filtering system (NFS), I followed, very carefully,
instructions, and lost two "harvests" of about 60-70 messages, in about
two hours. They were *all* deleted from server, totally regardless my
("old") filtering rules. (-: Happily, no one of them had any very
"important" message, so I could read few of them (the LOG recorded them
all well, thanks at least to that fact) at lists' web interfaces.

I didn't try "third time". The "3rd time" consisted of kicking the v3
out. (-:

> So far, v2.12.00 has worked brilliantly for me, and I'm just a bit
> wary of moving on to the next major version "just because it's there".

I agree completely with you; "just because it's there" is not enough
reason, especially if it could make some harm. Being wary is wise.

> I will at least try to learn more about the new filtering system
> before I make up my mind.

That's the only part I see as most "vital" one.

On the other hand, I still didn't notice anything enough "new", or
simply useful for me, personally, which would justify this new pace to
v3. Except this "on the fly" encryption, though. But it depends on the
new filtering system, again. (-;

There *was* actually just one tiny detail, when I had no this encryption
in mind yet, namely a new feature of "filtering by file" attached, but I
solved it on another level, using old (Selective Download) filtering
system, accompanied with few new "features" of my *personal* routines
(the "first line of defense", as you would name it). It works charmingly
and I receive 0, zero, nada of SPAM.

> Being a bit more conservative these days about using "bleeding edge"
> software, and since TB! development seems to move at a pretty fast
> pace in certain areas, I guess I'll continue to monitor v3.x from a
> distance to see if anyone encounters any real "show stopper" problems,
> or can demonstrate any real advantages that I just couldn't live
> without.

It's pretty good maneuver. Okay then, you monitor them and I'll monitor
you (-: since I think you are much better chess player than I am. (I was
monitoring them, but didn't notice any food, yet. (: So, be friend and
drop a note if you find some fatty morsel, and of what are your
experiences with v3, since you will *certainly* pick it up sooner than
I. I feel somehow...)

> I'm all for supporting TB! development by upgrading, and I'm sure that
> someday I will again upgrade, but I'm just so happy with how my 2.x
> version is working for me now that I'm a little reluctant to mess with
> it. :-)

If you would need my "opinion" then it would be this: I'd like to see
you happy more than any new v3 making your days, in a bad way. (-:

Just you be "conservative" and enjoy. It's anyway just one part of the
pair conservative-progressive, which makes the whole thread, and when
the wave is up, it will surely slide down, and vice versa. The
conservative one tides timely and that's it.

> My mother is still using v1.62r, and when v2 was released (and also
> v3), I told her about it, but she's even more afraid than I am to try
> something "new and improved"; especially while she's still coming to
> grips with v1! (which, if you know how my mother gets along with
> computers in general, is pretty impressive already!). :-)

It *is* impressive, indeed! I can understand pretty well the "fear of
computers" too, but what would you do with mother whose byword is "any
change is good, even if it's to the worse"? (-: The last time she
uttered that a serials of various civil wars started nearby, and now you
sit and think, are you happy or not, with yours.  Oh you are,
definitely, as I am with mine, as much as it is possible, but mine
couldn't learn more than driving in "Need for Speed", and still has
forgotten it, so she's "driving" mainly banging at roadsides with 100
mph (she uses only the first gear).

Actually, digressive as I am sometimes, I wanted to say that I myself
would stick with v1, just if they would have few "tinier" features I
*really* need, and all of them *can* fit a v1 size. TB develops in a way
which produces lots of "unfinished" things, and if you need just one (I
needed just a LOG feature which would

Re: Using the TB! while I have the flu?

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 9 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 18:09:02 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Deliplayer2 is playing: "Return Of The Shadows" by Infected Mushroom
>  from the  album 'The Gathering'

Man, it looks like a really heavy meal. (-: Take care.

Brz oporavak to Gerard as well. Sometimes it's fun to be "nailed" to
bed, but sometimes is not. :eyes:

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 23:29:00 +, when MFPA wrote:

> I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
> to emails instead of using .rtf.

Because they think it is DEMANDED so. (-;

> Indeed, usually the text could just be pasted into the email
> body.;-)

That's why an *RTF* editor in a mail program is indescribably more
precious than an HTML one.

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pgpr8zw4pylqh.pgp
Description: PGP signature

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Re: View Modes

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 23:25:49 +0100, when Richard Wakeford wrote:

> Hello Mica,

> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 you wrote in
> 

MM>> On the left of the TB's title bar you have a tiny button near to
MM>> "minimize" one,

> Not here. all I have to the left is The Bat icon and "The Bat!" words.

Argh...I'm really silly these days with these typos -- on the *right*!

I am sending tiny attachment with screen shot of this area: it will
reach TBOT.

MM>> with a question mark on it.

-- 
Mica
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pgprZNgRwf5Dr.pgp
Description: PGP signature

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 21:33:43 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

ASK>>> Some freemail providers still have a limit for messages sent thru
ASK>>> their servers. I think GMX has a limit of 5MB.

>> 5MB for a *mail*? I think that should be enough...

> I believe there's enough blockheads out there that try to send a bunch of
> .BMP files in one message... :-)

Oh yes, they are all alive and very well. Even if sending each BMP in
separate messages. Then the DOC files...g...

-- 
Mica
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<>o<>
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pgpXGsAiD4PEA.pgp
Description: PGP signature

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Re: View Modes

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 20:59:04 +, when MFPA wrote:

>> even the Menu Navigator doesn't help me.

> What/where is the menu navigator? I can't find the term in the
> help file and the search tool on TBUDP brings up several pages
> none of which actually contain the search term.

On the left of the TB's title bar you have a tiny button near to
"minimize" one, with a question mark on it. Push it (by mammalizing it).
There is also a kbd shortcut but I can't recall, since it doesn't work
under my 98SE, while in XP does. Perhaps Alt+F12.

-- 
Mica
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<>o<>
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pgpyrBiXTWfhV.pgp
Description: PGP signature

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Re: Thinking about v3

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 19:09:46 +0100, when Mica Mijatovic wrote:

> The main reason of mine was "encryption on the fly", and I was already
> prepared to buy a "Secure Bat"

Mica's celebrating typo festival these days: should stand "Secure Bat
Lite" instead.

> (Will be that downloading a new copy and playing with it, *safely*,
> like in "save hex" (:, is a most appropriate way to get the precise
> answers.)

And instead "save" should stand "safe", obviously. Although the both are
appropriate I would say. (-:

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pgpps6bxgVBpB.pgp
Description: PGP signature

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Re: Thinking about v3

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 6 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 23:35:44 -0800, when Melissa Reese wrote:

> In the past, I was always eager to jump to the latest versions of
> software as soon as they were released. Lately, I've become a bit more
> conservative; especially when a version I'm currently using is stable
> and working well for me. Now, finally, I'm thinking about TB! v3.

> Is the current release version (non-beta) stable and fully functional?
> Are there any known issues that I should be aware of?

It depends on your needs, and/or of how much of TB you "explore", I
would dare to say, since there are some who are explicitly very pleased
with v3, but there are other ones who rather would love to wait a bit,
or a bit more, until situation is more "clear". For myself, which means
that the World (and perhaps wider) is not obliged to abide to this, it
will be when I remove the word "unleashing" from my signature. (-;

Yet, the number "3.0.1.33" somehow tells me that much of water and lava
will have to stream away until it gets to some "3.1.00", or so.

187 days is about 6 months, and I recon I'd wait patiently yet those 3
ones, for not to push the Nature too much, or I could get something I
wouldn't want to.

I am not sure that anyone could "generalize" and deliver a "full list"
of "known issues", but I suppose that individual reports could help, in
a measure, and you already got few of them.

That's my contribution: if you use some "more complicated" or "unusual"
filtering rules -- be careful.

I myself am waiting to see "what will happen" before I decide to buy a
copy of a v3 using *my* name. The main reason of mine was "encryption on
the fly", and I was already prepared to buy a "Secure Bat" but they
entombed this form of the popular mammal, just in the moment when I
pulled my wallet. Pity, since I do not need any additional features, as
"hardware tokens" etcetera. Just a possibility to keep my mail in an
encrypted form, while still using all the resources of a "standard" TB.

Those were my experiences many weeks, and moons, ago, and I admit that I
lost my patience after trying several first copies of v3. Those days I
again had in mind to try a newer one...but it seems that my patience is
not enough chubby yet.

I hope that this thread you spun now will get more constructive answers,
so that I myself could tap some benefits of them too. So far, no news
with "I am quite pleased with", "It works smoothly" and similar. (: Such
ones were present even 6 months ago.

(Will be that downloading a new copy and playing with it, *safely*, like
in "save hex" (:, is a most appropriate way to get the precise answers.)

Take care and wear a smile, because it's more beautiful, and possibly
less painful, this way. (:

-- 
Mica
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pgpmXZzEOBS3B.pgp
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Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 19:25:18 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:

>> gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
>> gpg: BAD signature from "David Calvarese
>>
>> And for this message of yours is same.
>>
>> I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not.

> I'm not sure either...  They're showing good sigs on my end when I look
> in my sent items folder.  Maybe because I'm using something other than
> SHA-1 as a digest...  I'll do this one with SHA and see.

This one is OK, but also many of yours with RIPEMD160 digest.

"Digest conflict"...interesting term...

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Mica
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Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 15:06:24 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:

> Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>> I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is
>> new to me. What that would mean?
>>
>> gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
>> key ID 1C9D5360
>> gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
>> gpg: BAD signature from "[?]"

> I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring?  If that's not
> it, maybe someone on the list will know.

I got your keys and it shows this:

gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
key ID 1C9D5360
gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
gpg: BAD signature from "David Calvarese

And for this message of yours is same.

I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not.

- --
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ioI3YBKEfe6imMw+QcP4gIs=
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Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 14:40:13 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:

.

I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is
new to me. What that would mean?

gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
key ID 1C9D5360
gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
gpg: BAD signature from "[?]"

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tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 2 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 00:24:03 -0500, when Jack wrote:

> Any solutions to this problem?

I wasn't dealing with Chinese characters, but generally TB makes in the
very same way impossible a direct copy/paste actions, when some "other"
character sets are involved. An example is that, if I have to c/p
correctly some text written in CP 1250, or 1251, or ISO-2 etc, I have to
insert it in Word (MS), or in Write (Open Office), then to save it
(usually in .ans format) so that the text would retain the proper format
and fonts, and then to open it in Edxor (a text editor I use instead
Notepad), then to copy all the text, and then to paste it in TB. (-:

This is most 'advanced' solution I was able to monkey out, with what I
have on disposal, counting in my own technical and other limitations.

When I was dealing, for a short time, with Japanese parts of text, I had
to carry out, basically, the very same procedures, using external
editors capable to read Shift-JIS encoding. TB would display all
Japanese correctly but a direct c/p was and remained just a dream.

So, it was *much* easier if such and similar texts were prepared in an
other format and sent as attachments, or simply sent using some other
mailer.

The situation is very similar to the mythical UTF-8 case: it is nice to
know that this "feature" "will work", "someday", but in the meantime
(which sometimes lasts for years) we have some things to do. (-:

This is my experience and I am not aware of anything better, as to TB.
In this regard.

I was not dealing with the Japanese and similar encoding on a daily
basis, just occasionally (while the problems described above with CP
1250/51 and ISO-2 I accept as a bearable pain), but if *you* do, might
be then that keeping some additional mailer handy is not so bad idea.

FoxMail is known for a good work with several Chinese (and other
"eastern") encodings, so you could perhaps try this one too. After all,
it is a Chinese 'product' and should behave well in its own environment.
(-:

Another solution, as an addition to TB, would be some better mailer in
Linux environment (perhaps some Kmail, coming usually with KDE desktop),
where you could write/read (almost?) everything: Chinese, Japanese,
Tibetan, Sanskrit, Hebrew, Zulu... But I don't know if such solution
would be economic for you, in terms of investment, as for time and
possible new learnings.

Btw, your message is coming using charset=ISO-8859-15, while you are
trying to display Chinese characters coming from GB2312 charset, as I
understand.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 26 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 00:38:01 +, when MFPA wrote:

> I remember somebody who said "only email me with this exact subject
> line, or your messages will be junked by my spam filters". Mind, he
> hosted a software download site and provided email support.

Well yes, this is particularly useful for webmasters, and this part I
didn't discuss with Richard since he has no any address used this way.

It's just enough to write a short warning on the place the mailto link
is set, and to use a form like this:
 and then you filter both against
subject and address, or just against subject. If needed might be added
body part as well.

I see also that newsletter senders are all the more aware of the SPAM
problem, and that they are reminding a new subscriber to put the
newsletter address (or some special piece of code from their headers) on
the 'white list'.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 25 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 05:55:16 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> For some reason I was assuming it would be more complicated than it
> turned out to be. I guess that's because I usually read e-mail in the
> morning while drinking my first cups of coffee.

(-: With or without the coffee, it indeed looks more complicated than it
is, and it was the reason why I condensed it for my self: filter against
what you accept, don't bother with what you do not.


> In the beginning, I'll just filter those that don't pass to a junk
> folder I can check periodically. Some of my friends are slow learners.
> :-)

Many combinations are possible. Roelof gave some of them.

Anyway, the result is cute: zero SPAM on this side of Internet.

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Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 22 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:58:37 +1300, when Allister Jenks wrote:

> Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 1:48:05 AM, Mica wrote:

>>> That's why God (or at least the fellows at Apple) invented the iPod.
>>> :-)

MM>> What's that, actually?

> Essentially, a hard-disk based portable audio player.  It's something of
> a phenomenon lately...

> http://www.apple.com/ipod/

Thanks, Jenks, I'll fling my eye to ponder the thing.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 22 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 06:16:14 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

MM>> Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some
MM>> friends, or business partners who do not address you properly,
MM>> namely not using your full name (or a screen/nick name defined by
MM>> yourself) in TO (or CC) field, but using only the address of yours?

> I assume I'm like most folks: I have my friends and others in my
> address book and flagged so they go to the known folder; I have
> white-listed mailing lists like TBUDL; but I do receive mail that is not
> spam from others who are not in my book but whom I know or were
> referred to me by friends. My friends use all sorts of nicknames for
> me, including only the address; I can try to "train" them, but
> will have to deal with the third on a case-by-case basis.

Pardon my pause, Richard, I had to interrupt for a...moment.

OK, actually you would have to "train" a bit your friends then, and to
tell them (if they already do not do so) to use only (nick)names you use
in your FROM and REPLY-TO fields.

When they are giving your address to "third parties", they would have,
of course, to use those very same forms.

Then you simply put all those forms of addressing on a "white list" too,
and that's it. Nothing which is not addressed this way can pass in.

This part, with friends, is, potentially, 'hardest' one, although it is
not very hard. My experiences are that my friends/correspondents pretty
easily accept and understand why I do so, and often they themselves
start to practise similar method. Some of them initially mumble but they
shortly after accept it too. You, therefore, have to "train" them, your
friends, and they will "train" all others. (-: So, there is no need for
"dealing with the third on a case-by-case basis".

So you actually have 2 groups here: messages addressed to you personally
and those coming to/from various lists, addressed to these lists.

If you receive some newsletters then you add them too.

~~~
It's only important that no message arrives *only* to your "plain
address" (since this is form which spammers use; and sometimes adding a
'random' faked nick name, or name).
~~~

This way you practically can filter everything using just Selective
Download filters.

There is no 'fear' of losing some 'important' mail this way, since if
someone wants to contact you, for enough "serious" reasons, s/he will
definitely take care about way s/he is addressing you.

Even if something like that happens, and some letter is deleted due to
lack of the proper addressing, you may see info of that message in LOG
(Ctrl+Shift+A) and to inform the sender how to resend the message.

If I wasn't clear enough, ask me. (-:

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Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 17:30:45 +1300, when Allister Jenks wrote:

> That's why God (or at least the fellows at Apple) invented the iPod.
> :-)

What's that, actually?

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<>o<>
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 08:20:20 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> Mica,

> Monday, February 21, 2005, 12:41:17 AM, you wrote:

MM>> Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web
MM>> sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there?
MM>> Namely, what exactly "mailto:"; code/form you use?

> No, I don't have it on any public web sites. I don't have any "mail to"
> code. I have three addresses, but most of the spam comes to only one of
> them.

Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or
business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your
full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC)
field, but using only the address of yours?

If yes, we'll tighten/tweak them a bit.

Let's work with this address you say most of spam is coming to (so we
can see the results better, and quicker).

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:flagmica:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
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via Wine...
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 07:34:51 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> Mica,

> Sunday, February 20, 2005, 3:28:46 AM, you wrote:

MM>> Will be my pleasure to lead you gently to the core of this beauty,
MM>> unknown before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

> I'm prepared to go that route, but how do I do it? I already have a
> number of addresses white-listed (such as TBUDL), and of course I have
> my known filter. How do I send the rest to a junk folder?

Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web
sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there?
Namely, what exactly "mailto:"; code/form you use?

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:eyes:
[Earth LOG: 172 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:26:09 +0100, when WilWilWil wrote:

> So… I hope the price will be small, and perhaps free for TB3 users :
> -)

What is man without a hope...

...What is mug without beer. What is gal without a kiss.

Be blessed WilWilWil, for you make my days. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
<>o<>
[Earth LOG: 172 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:54:59 +0100, when WilWilWil wrote:

> So, why they say that USB Keys are same tools as HDD if you can't
> write and delete as you want !

Because they lie of course. (-:

But...you may, still, use them for programs/documents which do not
write, or not so often, to media, when you need them in a 'traveller'
mode.

For instance, you can put entire, and pretty large, library on it, which
would be accessible to you wherever you go, and having all of it just in
your pocket.

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:flagmica:
[Earth LOG: 172 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:10:01 +0100, when MAU wrote:

> Hello Mica,

>> So, as to "my part of job", it is up on me to define a form of
>> addressing, and as to "your part of job", it is up on you to use
>> exactly this form of addressing. And then you are in and the party
>> goes. (-:

> OK, understood. Hope you have enough beer ;-)

The apple pie has gone, as the fate of the cow-juice was, but beer oh
yes it's here, yet. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:crazy:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:23:42 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> I make a party all the time with my emails :) and all kind of people
> (mails) come by. I classify the mails and tell them "you may get in"
> and "you may not get in". I don't worry about the whole city (world
> email traffic) either, only about those people who get by and want to
> join the party (mails that are somehow addressed directly to me).
> Whats so charming is that my colleague the Bayes filter learns which
> mails I accept, and which not, so I don't have to worry myself.

OK then, since I see you beam already enough pleasure, I guess it is not
needed for me to lead you gently to the core of this beauty, unknown
before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:bearhug:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 13:20:26 +0100, when MAU wrote:

> Hello Mica,

>> I'll try to say this in other way... When you make a party, you do not
>> have to check entire city to know who is *not* invited, in order to
>> decide who of them will be passed in in your beautiful house; you pass
>> just those with invitations of yours. (-: The fine people who address
>> you properly.

> If I come to your party without an invitation, would you let me in? ;-)

Pay noble attention: "The fine people who address you properly". (-:
This is the essential bit of the formula. We just have to define what is
*properly*. In this case, what is in my "from" and/or "reply-to" field,
is considered "properly addressing".

Everything arriving using such form of addressing will be considered, by
default, as having invitation, and will be passed in.

So, as to "my part of job", it is up on me to define a form of
addressing, and as to "your part of job", it is up on you to use exactly
this form of addressing. And then you are in and the party goes. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:happypiglet:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 19 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 20:11:40 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else,

> on 19-Feb-2005 at 18:01 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

>> Filter against what you *accept*/receive,
>> not against what you do *not*. (-:

> Isn't that exactly what you do when you train a(ny) Bayes filter?

I'll try to say this in other way... When you make a party, you do not
have to check entire city to know who is *not* invited, in order to
decide who of them will be passed in in your beautiful house; you pass
just those with invitations of yours. (-: The fine people who address
you properly.

If I still wasn't clear enough, you may ask me again. (:

Will be my pleasure to lead you gently to the core of this beauty,
unknown before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at: <http://pgp.mit.edu/> once just before breakfast
:banana:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Just few thoughts about anti-spam strategy, before I forget it...

Cringely, Info World :

< once just before breakfast
<>o<>
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
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Re: Turn Outbox Bold if Saving Draft

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 17 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 21:43:32 +0100, when Milan Gurjanov wrote:

> Hello, Mico! Thursday, February 17, 2005.   21:40:09

Ah, who would say! My name in a proper case in greeting, vocative, in an
English speaking group. That's something. (-:

> On day Thursday, February 17, 2005 you wrote:

Indeed.

>> I think I got it. Having just a beautiful secretary is not enough. We
>> need clear and visible indications. (-:

> The funniest man on this mailing list. (((: I just love to read your
> mails.

Thanks. (: I am glad you are happy. Although I *have* pretty good
concurrents.

> Pozdrav! (Oni ASCII mis i macka su odlicni.)

I'll translate this for others, since I have an answer/comment. You said
above: "Greetings! (Those ASCII mouse and cat are excellent.)" and I
say:

This what you see as a cat should be actually a piglet. (: At least it
was intention of an ASCII artist. Was that a fine job, or even better
one, let the eyes of be(er)holder(s) to apprise. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:banana:
[Earth LOG: 170 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Re: "Pretending" to use The Bat!

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 18 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:21:49 +0100, when MAU wrote:

> I don't want to hide the fact that I am using The Bat!. I _am_ proud
> of using TB.

We have even TB flag(s). (-:

So we can evoke them using :xxx: form of smiley codes as a part of
comment line in header part of a message, and to corroborate our
statement by picture, which talks more than 10.000 words.

Something like this:

<%COMMENT="This is The Bat!, (wo)man. :tbflag: Accept this fact, leave
this message alone (virgo intacta) and live in peace.">

But I doubt that anyone could talk effectively with an administrator, or
even anti-spam *company*, wh{o|ich} filters spam by *MUA*. (-;

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:eyes:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Turn Outbox Bold if Saving Draft

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 17 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 02:25:27 +0100, when MAU wrote:

> Hello Robin,

>> Great idea. I have updated my glyph file like this now and it works
>> well.

> I use TB all day long for work. So, I need clear and visible indications
> and not just a "beautiful" GUI, if you know what I mean ;-)

I think I got it. Having just a beautiful secretary is not enough. We
need clear and visible indications. (-:

Waldorf, do you get it so too?

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:happypiglet:
[Earth LOG: 169 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Re: Scheduler...

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 16 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:06:46 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Chris & everyone else,

> on 16-Feb-2005 at 02:14 you (Chris) wrote:

>> However, with WinFS (in theory), personal information will become an
>> integral part of the OS

> And available to all malware. >:->

Naturally. More shiny 'pleasures' more wholes. The strategy of...I'll
not say name, he could sue me. (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:flagmica:
[Earth LOG: 168 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Scheduler...

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 15 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 20:14:28 -0500, when Chris wrote:

> Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.

OK. Thanks. (:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:banana:
[Earth LOG: 168 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
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Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Scheduler...

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 15 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 22:15:22 +0100, when WilWilWil wrote:

> I dream in a graphic management like in Outlook or Palm Desktop...

Is it good to have "dream" and "Outlook" in same sentence? (-:

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:flagmica:
[Earth LOG: 167 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo, Slackware
and Vector via Wine...
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Re: Looking for alternative The Bat! website

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 13 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 09:28:31 +0100, when Claude Renaud wrote:

>As the title suggest, I'm looking for alternative The Bat! website,
> which speaks of the software, its plug-ins, tips&tricks
> I know that some of them exists but unfortunatly, they are in foreign
> language I don't understand such a http://www.thebatworld.de or
> http://thebat.cz.
> And I don't want to wast my time translating, so could you please tell
> me if there are some such sites in french or english please ?

In this moment I have in mind , TB
"section", and . The later one is still
"baby", but by its conception (as I learned so far) it could become one
of the best ones related to "daily use" of TB.

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:crazy:
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with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo, Slackware
and Vector via Wine...
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Re: The actuality of starting using PGP

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 30 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 15:57:04 +0100, when Mica Mijatovic wrote:

> That would be it. In short.

> Marry Sunday. (:

Oops. Sorry for this one, it was aimed as OT to TBOT but a fly sat on
the front sight. And should be "merry" instead "marry".

So, pretty much of devilments and typos for a list which deals with a
serious things.

- --
Mica (the man who's whipping his backs...using trout...)
PGP key uploaded at: <http://pgp.mit.edu/> once just before breakfast
<>o<>
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Re: The actuality of starting using PGP

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 30 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 11:48:39 +, when Tony Boom wrote:

> Next time someone asks "Can people read signed mail" I'll just say
> yes.

An excellent choice, James. (-:

>  I bet someone would still say "Well actually no you can't".

This just partially possible and depends on circumstances, we are
encircled by, or even surrounded with, then on our inner and exterior
state, but on the interstate as well, as well as in many other similar,
and different, situations we may find ourselves, or not, or even find
ourselves lost in (for the difference of being lost out).

For instance, to be shorter and more understandable, it's good, mainly,
and usually, although there are some and few exceptions, here and there,
sometimes, but not always, or not *very* always, it's good therefore to
say that it doesn't work in dark, but it also will not work if someone
keeps his/her fingers in your eyes, or is tapping your forehead, by a
very large palm, while you try to read it, the mail, or when an object
is between your eyes and the signed mail, which is not limpid enough,
the object, as a belly dancer, for instance, being it she or he, or even
It, or similar, but something totally different would work as well, not
only a belly dancer, regardless of how she/he/It might be handsome,
attractive, sexy, or totally, or just partially, repulsive, until it
just is not limpid enough, or simply if the handwriting is so ugly and
formless that no one can bear with it, and is hence rather doing
something else, more pleasant, for eyes, and/or the other organs, or
else, in general, or in particular, whatever happens first, counting
backward, or forward, or elsehow, that is or otherwise.

That would be it. In short.

Marry Sunday. (:

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OT Statler and Waldorf WAS--Re: Xray - How to filter?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 22 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 14:51:21 +, when Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MM>> (What were the names btw of those two old men speaking from gallery in
MM>> Muppet Show?)

> Statler and Waldorf

> http://web.inter.nl.net/users/C.Talboom/muppets/statwald.htm

Beautiful page. It made me laughing and giggling like in "old good
times", when Muppets were coming always with some new episode. Thanks
very much Marck.

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Re: Mailwasher Pro

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 17 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 10:26:02 -0800, when George Mitchell wrote:

> Mica Mijatovic wrote:

MM>> I may affirm too, that K9 is really fine and effective, but am
MM>> just wandering why people use any additional software for such
MM>> purpose, when TB already has very good filtering means.

> Flexibility.  I played with BayesFilter for about a week, and as I
> recall my only options for spam were to delete them or move them to a
> Junk Mail folder.  With POPFile, I have filters set up such that if I
> get a message from a contact of mine that's misidentified as spam, it
> ends up in the correct folder for that contact (mailing list, etc.)
> but with a struck-through font in the message list.  This greatly
> reduces the chances I'll overlook such a message, but makes it obvious
> it was misclassified.

I'll give to myself yet few days more, since I still cannot perceive a
flexibility in doing more instead less, and less effectively instead
more effectively. (:

I mean, I can't see what's wrong if you delete automatically *all* SPAM
right from the server, without doing anything else, including the
rummage over and over over downloaded garbage, in order to possibly find
a misinterpreted jewel. (-:

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Re: Xray - How to filter?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 19 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 21:35:32 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Plug in the POP3 module, plug out the IMAP module, the mailchat
> module, the HTML editor module... :-)

Yea. In other words unplug all which doesn't work. :D (To save the
power.)

(What were the names btw of those two old men speaking from gallery in
Muppet Show?)

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Re: Xray - How to filter?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 19 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 19:21:27 -0800, when Melissa Reese wrote:

> Hi Alexander,

> On Wednesday, January 19, 2005, at 12:35:32 PM PST, you wrote:

>> Plug in the POP3 module, plug out the IMAP module, the mailchat
>> module, the HTML editor module... :-)

> You forgot to unplug the "smiley" module as well! :-)

We would lack then the psychedelic picture books, and the noble and
blessed effects coming from it. (-:

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Re: Xray - How to filter?

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 19 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 17:12:02 +0100, when Gerard wrote:

> Like was suggested before, Xray should really be integrated into TB!.

Please don't. (-: Would be even much better if already integrated things
could be disintegrated and, on the need, plugged in/unplugged as
modules.

Just the voice of mine, as of those who do not think at all that it
would be a good idea. (:

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Re: Mailwasher Pro

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 17 Jan 2005,
   @  @  at 02:37:59 -0800, when Melissa Reese wrote:

> Hi John,

> On Sunday, January 16, 2005, at 12:55:58 PM PST, you wrote:

>> IMO K9 is the best of the lot, and free as well.

> I use K9 as well, and I'm very happy with it. Just out of curiosity, I
> recently tried the latest version of the BayesIt plug-in, but I got
> tired of moving good emails back to their proper folders during the
> initial training (got too frustrated with this, so I just removed it
> and continued to use K9, which is now working at about 99.5% accuracy,
> with no false positives).

I am not very willing to push my "technologies", or to, god forbid,
impose them, but allow me please, all of you, to brag a bit again: ALL
the spam I have the rare honor, and a subtle pleasure, to give the Axe
to, to say so, even without downloading it, but just using TB's
Selective Download filters.

I may affirm too, that K9 is really fine and effective, but am just
wandering why people use any additional software for such purpose, when
TB already has very good filtering means.

Judging by TB's LOG, on my digital doors, and not so rarely on windows
as well, as at the doggy slot too, appears about at least 66% (or 2/3)
of a pure spam, coming to this address of mine, and about 66% (or 2/3)
of these 66% (or 2/3) are those of 30-40 KB with fat sick viruses
inside. Now, if I had to *download* all this [B]eautiful [S]tuff first,
and *then* to have it sorted out, I would probably end without a single
hair on(in?) my head, in few days, although I have it just for few
washings yet (as a friend of mine would have a habit to say, expressing
his worry, or a concern, about something he experiences as a wooly
situation, or as possibly such one).

To be honest, I still receive, here and there, one (1, Ein, uno) spam
message (the skinny one) per 2 or 3 days, in my Inbox, but it's only
because I didn't yet tighten my SD rules.

I had just one false positive, few months ago, when omitted to type my
own address correctly in a (n SD) filter rule. 

Actually, I praise here (using my limited {li|to}ngual inability) the
greatness of TB's filters. (-:

I will not bother you (all) anymore. Soon. I allow myself only one of
such letters per month. (Discipline and self-control is mother/niece of
vast attainments.)

On this list.

Now I have to go for pancakes.

With sweet brier marmalade.

Let the Smile be with you. (-: Shine like the sun and have a good
appetite.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 27 Dec 2004, 
   @  @  at 11:00:21 +, when MFPA wrote:

> On Sunday 26 December 2004 at 6:02:09 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>> So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
>> crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

> And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
> text searches...

Oops! You are right. So I'll reformulate: those who use *gmail* for
*private* correspondence may simply not to use it, and no fuss no
problem. (-:

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Re: HELP recovering deleted messages!!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 27 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 04:23:11 +0200, when Nav wrote:

> Is there any way I can recover all emails that I emptied from Trash. I
> have not done "Purge+Compress" so I guess they are still out there.

> Somebody help :(

Weak are chances that you could do something by TB, and you listed
already everything I had in mind too. But if you would have some
"un-delete" program that would do the job, or a good part of it. Install
something like that, for the future events. I use sometimes Back2Life
for TC (a plugin for Total Commander that allows you to undelete erased
files).

There is another thing came to my mind in the moment: Sometimes when I
fire up Mailbag Assistant, if I have uncompressed some of TB folders,
then MA will show all of the deleted messages (body and headers) on the
list (although without proper info in the titles of the list itself), so
you could copy/paste the content of such messages, then save them with
.msg or .eml extension, and then import them to TB.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 26 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 13:59:38 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote:

> Mica wrote:

>> I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so
>> amazing and hilarious that I *had* to say something,

> I hear you then... :)

Thanks. (:

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 26 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 05:32:47 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote:

>> I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post
>> office can read a postcard. I am not sure about your country, but the
>> postman is not allowed to read a postcard, even though he can. On top
>> of that, he is not allowed to use the information in the postcard for
>> his own profit.

> Agreed.

This is a bit controversial; they are not allowed to but technically is
not possible to second or protect this rule in any way: postcards are
all the way open for "previewing". So a post(wo)man simply may say that
he was dreaming some info being on postcard, and his/her dream is
his/her property, and that's it. (-:

That's why people may choose what to use for a private mail: a postcard
or an enveloped letter. Expecting for my privacy to be protected by a
"third party" while I myself act quite contrarily, exposing my privacy
publicly, on a post card, has no any sense. (:

So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing
and hilarious that I *had* to say something, regardless it's a Sunday
today and therefore it could be not perhaps appropriate at all. (-:

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 24 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 13:55:11 -0500, when Chris wrote:

> Allie Martin:

>> If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
>> appear as footers.

> That may work on TBOT, but not on other Yahoo Group lists. People
> using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
> they get a PGP/MIME message.

If they wouldn't freak out then it wouldn't be the right thing.

As Lao {Tse|Tzu|Ce|Cu|Ce-Ce|Tse-Tse|Cu-Cu|Tzu-Tzu} would say.

I don't know what to say when they get a complete certificate with each
new message, though. (-; Is there a way to remove such certificates from
saved messages?

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 24 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 13:07:34 +, when Sean Rima wrote:

> Hello Tony,

>> Hello Leif,

Q Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q one?

>> Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to
>> give away.

> Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :)

Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-:

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Re: Deliplayer & The Bat (was: Re: OT Re: Automating the sending of an e-mail of a backup)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 21:30:12 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Deliplayer can create a textfile containing that information. You can fill
> it with whatever information that is available (either from tags or from
> the playlist - actually, you don't need precise file tags as you can
> manually enter information in the playlist), mine simply puts the above
> pre-formatted text with:

> Deliplayer2 is playing: "${songname}"$if(${artist}){ by 
> ${artist}}$if(${album}){
>  from the ${releasedate} album '${album}'}

> (this has to be configured in Deli's Client Control)

Ah, I see. OK. Fine.

> The remaining "magic" is done with a quick template (thanks to Dan
> Grunberg) that is included in my signature (requires the XMP macro plugin):

Aiii... The thing written in German, and I know about 30 words. OK,
doesn't mind, if I managed to install the plugin for F-prot, I'll manage
somehow with XMP as well. A thank to him, indeed. Lots of nice work,
although I understand almost nothing.

>  %IF(%XMP_FileSize("d:\sound\deliplayer2\dp2info.txt")>"1",%-
>  %INCLUDE("d:\sound\deliplayer2\dp2info.txt"),%-
>  %WRAPPED(70,%COOKIE("E:\Text\Cookies\cookies.txt"))%-

> (pathes need to be adjusted, of course)

> Ah, the beauty of macros and variables... :-)

Yea, nice macros are poetry. Thanks. (-:


>> What is Deliplayer2? Can I gogle right this name to get a d/l link?

> http://www.deliplayer.com (almost to easy, aye?).

Aye. Getting it down to my cave, right in this moment. Danke.

> Its a very powerful player (it has its origins on the Amiga, plays
> over 200 formats, need I say more?),

Nay.

> but its not offering the huge amount of "eye candy" in skins

Only one skin is enough for all of us.

> and plugins like WinAmp, and it may not be as accessible as WinAmp is
> to the average user.

Who needs plugins with a thing of 200+ formats? What is average user on
a TB list?

> Just like TB, much of its real potential is "hidden"

Good! I like hidden potentials. Actually I am a hidden potentials freak.
"Hidden potential" is my middle name.

> (the GUI is totally modular,

Excellent! I like modular things as well. We'll modulate.

> but you have to enable "god mode configurability" first, for example).

I'll manage somehow to convince him too. No problem.

> Its lacking a real "media library"

I do not need any "media library", since I change it all the time.

> but the playlist is a very versatile replacement (I have all my music
> in the playlist).

A play list is the right thing. I do this this way too. Play lists rock.

> 'nuff advertising. :-) (you may have guessed it, I am a registered Deli
> user and beta tester *g*).

No, I hadn't such a guess even in a skirt of my mind, but I am honored
to meet you under such festal {circum|cube}stances. Thanks. (-:

And have a nice chubby turkey. (:

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OT Re: Automating the sending of an e-mail of a backup

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 4 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 10:54:12 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

>> Where the tags of yours disappeared? I love to talk with them.

> Human revision - if I post a oneliner and TB chose to add a 5-line tag, I
> remove it manually. :)

Ah, I understand. Would be cruel indeed. (-;

> ...and if I'm listening to music... well, you see
> whats happening then. :)

...and then after the cut sign:

> Deliplayer2 is playing: "Rotating Minds" by JFC
>  from the 2000 album 'Ambient Diary III - CD 1'

But how do you get such a long title and even in two lines?? My Winamp
is crippling titles to some 40 characters. What is Deliplayer2? Can I
gogle right this name to get a d/l link?

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Re: Dispatch mail on the server

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 14:46:03 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --
> Albert Einstein

Aahhh... so beautiful one! (: Was not known to me that he ever revealed
his methodology that much.

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Re: SOT: Too busy & Merry Xmas!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 12:38:33 +0100, when Gerard wrote:

MM>> With the holidays fast approaching and EULAs pretty much a fact of
MM>> life, please accept -- with no obligation, implied or implicit, on
MM>> behalf of

> 

True. We have to be seriously dedicated to something sometimes to avoid
unbalancing the Cosmos (we have to be One with) by (regular and
irregular) silliness. And vice versa. (-:

> Mica, you must have far to much time on your hands but it is
> brilliant.

True again. I am the Lord of my Time (touch, and knock on, wood), though
your supposition that I am the author of this text is a compliment for
me, since my English, still, is not that eloquent. My excuse for I
forgot to put it in quotation marks, and author is not known to me as
well.

> All the best to you and all on this list.

Thanks. I accompany my best wishes too. Let's all have nice turkey
evenings or of any other sorts of birds we can afford to to our reverend
and witty selves.

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Re: Dispatch mail on the server

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 08:47:41 +, when Ben Allen wrote:

> Henk wrotened:

HdB>>Mica wrote:

>>> Henk de Bruijn wrote:

 I have 5 mailaccounts. With Poptray it is possible to check the
 server for all 5 accounts in one check.
 Is that also possible with the Bat! or do I have to use Ctrl-F2
 five times?

>>> Just Alt+F2 one time. And F11, once, for "send all" and "receive all".

>>> One (or two) of the many bright sides of TB. (-:

HdB>> Thanks Mica, I am familiar with Alt-F2 (receive all) but I want to
HdB>> check the server first.

> DO you mean you want to check what mail is on the server before
> deciding what to download? In that case in the account properties of
> each account go to mail management and tick the box marked invoke
> automatically at each mail check.

Yes, if it is not checked, it is needed then. I assumed that Henk
already had this checked since he asked only about simultaneous working
with all accounts.

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Re: Dispatch mail on the server

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 01:05:59 +0100, when Henk de Bruijn wrote:

> I have 5 mailaccounts. With Poptray it is possible to check the
> server for all 5 accounts in one check.
> Is that also possible with the Bat! or do I have to use Ctrl-F2
> five times?

Just Alt+F2 one time. And F11, once, for "send all" and "receive all".

One (or two) of the many bright sides of TB. (-:

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Re: "References" header won't display in preview pane

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 21:30:16 +, when MFPA wrote:

> On Monday 20 December 2004 at 1:20:49 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>>>I can view them while editing a reply.

> But only one of them in the header pane at the top of the preview
> pane?

Yes, it is just one and the last reference from "References:".

>> I don't know if it would be practical to see 20 and more references in
>> header pane. (-: I mean who needs such a feature? That is, as I
>> understand the question.

> Probably not too practical. It was, however, what I was trying to
> do.  ;-)

Impractical things are also interesting.

In the other hand, or on the other side, all is in a permanent change
and very easily impractical can become something very practical.

When my old freezer died, I used it for keeping my writings in.

Now, they are all cool. (:

There. I hope you'll succeed.

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Re: copying msg with short headers

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 09:20:58 -0500, when Jan Rifkinson wrote:

> Battyfolk,

> Is there any way of copying a msg to the clipboard so that it
> shows basic header info, i.e. from, to, date, subject w/o first
> saving msg as text file?

You could remodel a bit the Forward template (excluding "This is
forwarded message" etc.), and then just Ctrl+O, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C and
voila!

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Re: SOT: Too busy & Merry Xmas!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Dec 2004,
   @  @  at 14:00:52 +0100, when Andre Wichartz wrote:

> Hello MAU,

> Tuesday, December 21, 2004, 6:16:58 PM, you wrote:

>> So, before I forget. Merry Christmas to all and a wonderful 2005!!!

> Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you and the rest of the list.

With the holidays fast approaching and EULAs pretty much a fact of life,
please accept -- with no obligation, implied or implicit, on behalf of
the wisher or wishee -- my best wishes for an environmentally-conscious,
socially-responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral
celebration of the winter solstice, practiced within the traditions
and/or within the religious or secular belief(s) of your choice and with
respect for the traditions and/or religious or secular beliefs of others
or for their choice to not practice traditions and/or religious or
secular beliefs at all; and for a fiscally-successful,
personally-fulfilling, medically-uncomplicated recognition of the onset
of what is generally accepted as the new Gregorian calendar year, but
with due respect for calendars of other cultures whose contributions to
society have helped make America great*, and without regard to the race,
creed, color, age, physical ability, sexual orientation, political
affiliation, or choice of computer operating system of the wisher.

DISCLAIMER

By accepting this greeting you are accepting the terms of the greeting
and all responsibility ...

(-:

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