Re: TheBat or Pocomail

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 1/2/2004, 4:16 PM

Hi Matt,
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, at 15:00:22 [GMT -0800] (which was 3:00 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'TheBat or Pocomail'

MT> I've used TB! for a few years and decided to try Pocomail a few weeks
MT> ago. After creating all the filters and folders (painstakingly I might
MT> add) I promptly switched back after about 48 hours. TB! has it's
MT> quirks but it is so much easier to work with! I missed the editor, the
MT> F9 for headers, the extensive filtering capabilities...the list goes
MT> on. It's hard to explain but I'm more into the technical aspects of
MT> software and TB just "feels" better. :) I'm sure others can
MT> relate...

I  can  relate  to  that.  I  began using TB during the 1.32 Beta cycle. I
registered  it  after  about 4 hours of use. For the most part I have been
very happy with TB. I am not fickle about software clients, I don't change
at the drop of a hat.

The security and filter functions of TB are the main reasons I have stayed
with  it.  I  don't  give  a  whit about HTML, IMAP, PGP or the ability to
synchronize  with  my  cell  phone or the satellite radio in my Durango. I
just  want  it to handle my 12 pop3 accounts, even if I have to leave town
for 2 months.

But,  here  lately with the new beta cycle, I'm no longer sure. The memory
spikes,  finding  ALL  of my mail in the inbox or the junk folder. I don't
know  what  has happened with the filtering. Sometimes they work and other
times  it  is like they don't exist. The memory spiking seems to be better
in  beta  25,  but  in  the  next one, Rit will most likely add another new
feature, and it will spike again.

All   I  can  say is Poco looks a lot better than it did when I checked it
out a couple of years ago. Time will tell whether I stay with TB or jump.

I rambled on but that is my .02.
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Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 11/21/2003, 12:24 AM

Hi Thomas,
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, at 08:26:33 [GMT +0700] (which was 5:26 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Changing the Reply-To Header?'

TF> @Paul: You are correct that crtl-F4 doesn't work with highlighted
TF> text. It used to, but that functionality has gotten lost soem versions
TF> back. It's a bug, I just haven't had time to add it to the BugTracker
TF> yet.

TF> This doesn't change the fact that the Reply-To for this lsit is set
TF> correctly to the list address, and it should be no other way.

I agree completly.

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Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 11/20/2003, 1:11 PM

Hi George,
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, at 12:57:17 [GMT -0800] (which was 12:57 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Changing the Reply-To Header?'

GM> Menu item "Specials->Reply to the Sender" (or Ctrl+F4) should do it.
GM> I just learned that a few days ago on one of these lists.

That doesn't include selected text. Not here anyway, I wish it did.
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Re: Concatenating incoming filters doesn't work

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 10/26/2003, 7:29 AM

Hi MAU,
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, at 10:13:44 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:13 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Concatenating incoming filters doesn't work'

M> Well, I didn't intend it to be a conversation with myself, it intended
M> to be a message asking for help. But a few minutes later I realised that
M> perhaps something was not completely clear and Allie may get lost ;-)
M> and sent a couple of quick "replies to myself". Finally, about one and a
M> half hours later, and whether the issue I brought up is WAD or a bug, I
M> found an alternative using the AB. And gosh! I _knew_ I was looking for a
M> solution to that, so I had to tell myself about it ;-)

Sounds like you owe yourself a beer. 
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Re: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Paul Wilson]

Wednesday, 10/15/2003, 7:33 PM

Hi Allen,
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, at 04:01:01 [GMT -0400] (which was 1:01 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Version 2.01 - New Logo'


TM>> Can't confirm that. But i only copied the file "thebat.exe" over the old
TM>> one. You run the setup? Perhaps something wrong with the setup routine.

A> I'm  using same OS as Paul - ran full installer for 2.01 and I am having
A> no troubles at all . . .

I  have tried to reply to this three times now. The program closes on it's own
before I can finish.
I  ran  the installer. Seemed fine, then troubles started. Right now there are
six little bat logos in sys tray only one is flapping wings.
Connection center can't dispatch mail on server.

If this can't be resolved The Bat will be gone. I don't have the time to waste
on buggy stuff.

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Re: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 10/14/2003, 9:22 PM

Hi Leif,
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, at 16:41:12 [GMT -0600] (which was 3:41 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Version 2.01 - New Logo'

LG> No, it turned out that even though I closed TB and it disappeared from
LG> the systray, it was still running (Task Manager). The installer didn't
LG> give me an error saying that TB was running for some reason. After I
LG> killed it off in Task Manager, I extracted just the executable, and it
LG> worked fine, then I closed TB and ran the installer and it installed
LG> everything fine this time.

I have been getting access violations one right after another since installing
2.01. I even went back and installed v2 and then .18 and .22 still not running
right.  I  just  closes with no warning and there can be 4 or 5 little bats in
the system tray.

What  the  devil  is  going  on?  I  have  never had a problem with any of the
versions before.
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Re: RitLabs The Bat password

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 10/4/2003, 12:01 PM

Hi rich,
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, at 13:43:11 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:43 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'RitLabs The Bat password'

rg> CR*P.  I ask EVERYBODY to please ignore that message!

rg> (OK, So like YOU never do anything stupid!)

Could you please send the info again? I deleted it the first time. 
At  least  you  didn't  send  a credit card number to a list with 300 thousand
people on it, like I did once. That card is gone now. 
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Select F4 broken

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 8/2/2003, 3:06 PM

Hi TBUDL Members,

I  am  using a bets version. This is not a beta problem. This started way back
with the 162 release version. I just haven't had time to deal with it.

The highlight F4 to reply with quotes quit working.

It works for List messages but not for Tbot.

With  my  personal  messages  it works for some messages but not for others. I
have  checked  the possibility of them being or not being in the address book.
Doesn't seem to matter.

I  highlight  the  portion of the message I wish to quote, press F4, the intro
stuff  is  there  (Hi so and so, date time), the sig stuff is there. Where the
cursor  should be below the quoted material, it is in the upper left corner of
the screen and nothing is quoted.

I  have  tried  copy  and  paste of the ones that work to the areas that don't
work, same result. I even resorted to folder templates no success.

My  question,  is  there a file where all the templates are stored or are they
individual?

I am ready to purge all of them and build from scratch, but that is a big time
consuming project.

I have tried it with just the plain %quotes, same result.

Here is the template:

<---
%DOW, %DATESHORT, %TIME
Hi 
%TOFNAME,%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
On%SUBPATT="2", at %SUBPATT="3" [GMT%SUBPATT="4"] (which was %OTIME where I live) 
you wrote about: 
'%setpattregexp="(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)"%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%SubPatt="5"'

^^ Works

%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)
%CURSOR
^^ no work
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%Wrapped="%Cookie='C:\Program Files\batbu\tags.txt'"
The Bat! Version: %THEBATVERSION

^^^ works
<
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Re: Message Archive?

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 6/12/2003, 5:32 PM

Hi Allie,
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, at 17:38:54 [GMT -0500] (which was 3:38 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Message Archive?'

AM> Again, my apologies for this mishap and I doubt that it will happen
AM> again. Thanks all for your patience.

Time for Marck to get out the TROUT? ;-)
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Re: Very important issue has come to my attention!!

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 3/25/2003, 4:45 PM

Hi Gerard,
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, at 15:46:46 [GMT +0100] (which was 6:46 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Very important issue has come to my attention!!'

  
G> | The Truth
G> | This is one of those eRumors that focuses on a non-sinister feature of
G> | the Internet and makes it sound sinister. We have not been able to find
G> | any evidence that any law enforcement agency has issued any warnings
G> | about the Google search for phone numbers.

In the Phone book my listing is first initial, last name. No address, Google
comes up with a map to my house. eRumors is full of it on this one. This is the
equivalent of the reverse lookup that law enforcement uses and is wrong. Thank
you Spike, even if it was a bit OT.
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Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 2/28/2003, 8:24 AM

Hi Thomas,
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 23:02:16 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:02 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'A way to modify _incoming_ mail'


TF> But only if sender's mid and receiver's mid show the same message,
TF> isn't it? I can modify any message by exporting/editing/importing it.

I don't have a problem with that as long as it comes up with a new mid.
The law enforcement trend here in the US is the impounding of all computers when
a search warrant is executed. I do not agree with that policy unless it is
explicit on the warrant, it is still done. Once that hard drive is not in your
control, any hacker could make the mids match. That is one reason I am no longer
in law enforcement. Old age being another ;)

TF> I am all for that "red flag", or a small icon indicating that the
TF> message was edited, which I don't have in the current version. ;-)

I guess we all get a little over confident in the security of electronic
messages. Long live PGP.

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Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 2/28/2003, 7:43 AM

Hi James,
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 00:19:51 [GMT -0500] (which was 9:19 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'A way to modify _incoming_ mail'

JS> The idea is very much alive here.  I am still happy with TB as
JS> is but fully expect this feature to be added at some point. To
JS> me, the whole essence of TB cries for this type of manipulative
JS> power to be given to mail power users.

I hope you are wrong about the feature being added. You will never convince me of a 
legitimate reason to modify incoming messages. E-Mail is frequently used as evidence 
in court cases. I do not believe any E-mail client should have that function, without 
a big red flag printed across the message.

If you want to change them for archiving, save em to a text file.
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Re: HTML sectarianism :-)

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 2/9/2003, 1:23 PM

Hi Miguel,
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, at 12:03:01 [GMT +0100] (which was 3:03 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'HTML sectarianism :-)'

MAU>   - I'm subscribed to some newsletter, which I am very interested in,
MAU>   that are only sent in HTML.

The newsletters that I am subscribed to that don't have the option of
plain text, fall into that 10% in my case.
It truly is dumbfounding how many spam messages I get that have the nerve
to put in the disclaimer, "If you are having problems reading this
message, upgrade to Outlook Express, or copy and paste the following link
to your browser."
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Re: HTML sectarianism :-)

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 2/8/2003, 9:25 PM

Hi Chris,
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, at 23:16:29 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:16 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'HTML sectarianism :-)'

CM> The world of business is full of people who will send HTML mail. I am
CM> not in the position to dictate to my clients how to send me messages,
CM> regardless of my personal preferences. Philosophy aside, rejecting all
CM> HTML mail is a bit akin to refusing to answer the phone because you
CM> prefer telegrams.

None of my friends or family send me html mail. Over 90% of the html
e-mail is spam, plain and simple. It gets deleted, not read. We also use
our cell phones for all personal communications. The home phone has a
telezapper on it. Business people who we are expecting to call are warned
before hand about the beep. Sure don't see or hear much spam anymore.
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Re: Looks like html makes to the BAT

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 2/8/2003, 12:31 AM

Hi Douglas,
On Sat, 08 Feb 2003, at 00:13:25 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:13 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Looks like html makes to the BAT'

DH> The last version of TB! to exclude html creation may well become a classic.

And most likely the only one used in this house. If I wanted HTMLBLOAT I
would have stayed with eudora.
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Re: 2 things- TAB and AB entries

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 1/20/2003, 8:44 AM

Hi Allie,
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 11:20:09 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:20 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: '2 things- TAB and AB entries'

AM> When in the RTV, the tab button will take you from mailto: to
AM> URL's. It will select them as they occur in the message starting
AM> from the top of the message and working downwards.

That one I didn't know about. Very, very Cool!
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Re: Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 1/18/2003, 11:48 AM

Hi Robert,
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 14:15:00 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat'

RS>  I  doubt  anyone  will complaint if the bat introduced the following
RS>   improvements:
RS>   Web page viewing Option
RS>   Web Page Editing option
RS>   NNTP USENET News Reader Option

Except the people who have used The Bat! for a long time because it IS
a plain text E-mail program.
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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 1/7/2003, 8:53 AM

Hi Matt,
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 08:19:48 [GMT -0800] (which was 8:19 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'ALT-L strips spaces?'

MT> Wait a minute, am I the only one who types their e-mails on an actual
MT> typewriter, scan them in, cut and paste to an e-mail, and send? :]

I scribble them on Post-it notes, hand them to my assistant, who
performs the above mentioned method. ;)
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 12/8/2002, 2:00 PM

Hi Allie,
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, at 16:50:04 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:50 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'About TB ON XP *freezing*'

RW>> OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens
RW>> although I can't understand why the two programmes worked
RW>> perfectly in harmony before this.

ACM> Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good
ACM> luck.

ZAP worked flawlessly for me for almost 13 months and then went goofy
on me. Within two weeks it had me thinking the system was falling
apart. The same symptoms you describe.
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Re: HTML mail

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 12/3/2002, 2:44 PM

Hi Simon,
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 13:59:47 [GMT +] (which was 5:59 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'HTML mail'

S> Although  I  have  absolutely  no  wish  to use an HTML feature should it be
S> introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring
S> more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good
S> thing,  surely?  And  I  am  sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users
S> would  soon  be  able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape -
S> well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-)

We don't come out from behind the trees very often. ;) Just to defend
our text mailer.
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Re: Marking messages as Read when replied.

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 11/30/2002, 4:38 AM

Hi Daniel,
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, at 17:10:46 [GMT +1100] (which was 10:10 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Marking messages as Read when replied.'

DH> I  realise  I could set up a filter to do this, but I want it to do it
DH> for  every  folder... - if i write a reply to a unread message, I want
DH> it to be marked as read, regardless of it's location...

Do you always reply to messages prior to reading them? If you read it
to reply it will be marked as read.
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Re: THEBAT.EXE - NO DISK

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 11/11/2002, 5:32 PM

Hi Jim,
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, at 13:12:28 [GMT -0800] (which was 1:12 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'THEBAT.EXE - NO DISK'


JD> Whoops! Would you believe that while I was writing this email, I got
JD> the errors again!  It's a series of 3 of them. Maybe it has to do with
JD> the spell checker?

When I migrated to the new Dell, I used a null cable and the file
mover program that came with the Dell to move most of the programs and
files to the new one. Everything in The Bat! worked fine except for
the spell checker. An install of the last full version and then double
clicking the exported registry key from the old box. Spell checker
works fine now.

Another thing I had to do was point templates to the new location of the
cookie file for those to work also.

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Re: e33 . not caught by AVG

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 11/8/2002, 8:32 AM

Hi Ochrid,
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, at 16:34:05 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:34 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'e33 . not caught by AVG'


O> But I would like AVG to warn me *before*  I save something to
O> disc. (with bugbears and its off spring I was always properly
O> warned).

I use AVG and it gave me a pop-up notification of the virus and
isolated it.
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Re: RTF

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 10/29/2002, 8:20 AM

Hi Markus,
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, at 13:59:51 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:59 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'RTF'

>> Three weeks ago I received a bonus check for the suggestion, because
>> the company is saving so much on bandwidth and storage space now.

MG> This sounds very interesting and encouraging. Was security an issue as
MG> well?

Yes it was to some slight extent. We have had far fewer virus alerts
since the switch. It was really dumfounding to realize the lack of
complete training in some I T schools in California. They were totally
unaware of the difference the change would make.
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Re: RTF

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 10/28/2002, 5:37 PM

Hi Mark,
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, at 12:13:04 [GMT -0800] (which was 12:13 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'RTF'


MW> There are several centuries worth of literature that prove the point
MW> that not only does text mode not need RTF or HTML formatting, but that
MW> often simple text can get the point across much better than visual
MW> crutches.

MW> * Actually text supports bullet points quite well.
MW> * I can also even *emphasize* certain words, or "quote" them. If
MW>   necessary, I can even SHOUT.

My company uses Lotus Notes, (No Choice), I made a simple suggestion 3
months ago to set the default to text only.

Three weeks ago I received a bonus check for the suggestion, because
the company is saving so much on bandwidth and storage space now.

Rich text and HTML only serve to pretty up what is usually a mundane
or poorly written piece of text. INHO.
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Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 10/24/2002, 5:23 PM

Hi Barry2,
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, at 06:09:51 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:09 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Proposal: The Bat! Message Board'

TF>> TBUDL is supposed to be the beginners' list.

B> Maybe so, but there are beginners and beginners and I think there will
B> be a lot of very 'green' PC users trying out TB! who would go running
B> back to OE at the sight of TBUDL !! What's been advocated is a gentler
B> introduction the the world of TB! Not as a substitute to TBUDL.

I can see it coming. A question is asked on TBUDL, to get to a real
answer to the question you have to dig through 15 "That has been
covered on the message board", responses. I really think a message
would be more of a detraction than an attraction. The Moderators have
a heavy volume of traffic to keep up with, why add more?
My $.02

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Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 10/22/2002, 4:34 PM

Hi Roelof,
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, at 01:06:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:06 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Proposal: The Bat! Message Board'

RO> Compare it with a crossover between hotmail and the list-archive.
RO> Depending on the settings and the used program the board can be
RO> accessed with logging on or with logging on with a personal account.

Sounds like a semi-blog setup. I am a member of several blogs. I have
a throw away address that I use for them. I see a lot of spam on that
address. E-mail harvesters love heavy traffic sites, anything other than
anonymous posting seems a little chancy.

RO> IMNSHO It's a waste of time and effort. A list like this beats a
RO> message board with two hands tied on the back.

I agree, never had a question that I could not find or get an answer
to on these lists.
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Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 10/22/2002, 8:28 AM

Hi Don,
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, at 09:23:04 [GMT -0400] (which was 6:23 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Proposal: The Bat! Message Board'

DZ> So, feedback is needed: Good idea? Bad idea? Would you participate in a
DZ> message board? Would you be interested in moderating a forum? How many
DZ> forums would be required?

No thanks, I will stick to the one stop shopping of the lists!
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Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 10/21/2002, 7:35 PM

Hi Steve,
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 20:22:17 [GMT +1000] (which was 3:22 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Regarding TB! Internet Presence & Support'

SM> The biggest problem, IMO, is that the help file is inadequate. I know
SM> several friends who could benefit from The Bat but there's no way I'd
SM> recommend it without a vastly improved help file. I'll recommend TB!
SM> to friends with a good level of computer competency but to the average
SM> home user  no way !

I can't stay quiet any longer. At work we use Lotus Notes, (No
Choice). I recommended The Bat! to a co-worker for home use. This Lady
is a total computer illiterate. She downloaded The Bat!, installed and
was up and sending messages within 45 minutes. She does not use all
the features because she has no need. I've found this program to be
one of the easiest to get people started. She now is pushing our
company to take a look at The Bat! to replace Notes.

SM> I'll risk my neck here by suggesting that ALL further development on
SM> TB! is halted until the help file covers ALL features, has a good
SM> index and search facility, and is properly linked to the program so
SM> that if hit F1 I get help on whatever area of the program I am in.

Sounds like you want to convert The Bat! to a committee project.
Nothing gets done without committee approval.

The lists related to The Bat! are amazing, every two or three months
someone gets an ingrown hair in an uncomfortable place and wants to
start a news group, or a web based forum. Sometimes they are new to
the list, sometimes not. I say, if someone wants to start a news
group, go ahead, anyone can do it.

Personally, I only use news groups for antique cars and porn. ;)
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Re: SmartBat maintenance

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 9/29/2002, 8:59 AM

Hi Joseph,
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 21:22:58 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:22 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'SmartBat maintenance'

JN> Okay, I confess to not having read these posts on SmartBat very
JN> closely, since I haven't used it much and find better alternatives
JN> most of the time.  But  what do you mean "one file" for this and
JN> another for that?  I don't see the interface between SmartBat and
JN> multiple files, or the file-open or index views that presumably would
JN> be needed.  What do you mean?

Open SmartBat,(F6) right click in the body of the pad, choose new pad,
or press Ctrl-n, name the new file and you have a new tab at the
bottom. I do wish that links and E-mail addresses could be made
clickable in SmartBat.
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Re: SmartBat maintenance

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 9/28/2002, 6:11 PM

Hi Alexander,
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 01:34:43 [GMT +0300] (which was 3:34 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'SmartBat maintenance'


AC> While we are at it, what purpose was SmartBat designed for?  I
AC> can't see anything mentioned in the documentation...

I use it for saving macros and QT's that people post. One file for
recipes another for notes that will eventually go into a message to be
sent. I have a file that my wife and I use for notes to each other,
things to do, shopping list. I have found it to be one of the most
useful features of The Bat!
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Re: Editor problem with delete & quoted text

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 9/27/2002, 5:11 PM

Hi Dwight,
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 16:37:50 [GMT -0500] (which was 2:37 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Editor problem with delete & quoted text'

DAC> The memo function is a work around at best. Another example is that I will
DAC> get a list of phone messages

When You say "memo function", are you referring to the actual memo in
the header box or SmartBat (F6)?

DAC> Sam called

DAC> Yolanda called

This is what I use SmartBat for. I have at this time three files plus
the default pad which I can access by F6. One for recipes, QT's,
macros, etc. Another for phone numbers, notes to myself or to my wife.
A third one I use for draft type messages that I am working on, but
don't want to take a chance on sending by accident.

DAC> etc. I would like to be able to edit the message, so that I can make
DAC> notes

I don't edit incoming mail. I have to use the original for proof or
verification at times.

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Lists Down?

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 9/17/2002, 9:08 PM
Hi TBUDL Members,

The last message I received from any of the lists including Tbot was
at 2:58 PM. I am getting other mail. I hope I am not the last person
on Earth.
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Re: reply template problem

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 8/13/02, 3:53 PM

Hi Allie,
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 07:23:10 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:23 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'reply template problem'

ACM> So what templates do you use? Address book?
Yes!

ACM> Are you saying that your folder templates are empty?
Yes!

ACM> then create a quick template with handle name 'sigstrip'. Copy and
ACM> paste in it the following:
Nice QT works great except on that one account. In my reply to Mark I
noted that a reply between any of the other accounts works fine. It
seems to be just this one account.

ACM> You weren't clear either on whether or not this same template is being
ACM> used when generating replies that were OK in content.

To test I pasted that template everywhere, ad book entries, group,
account, and even the folders. Still the same result, that one account
does not act properly.

I think I am going to delete that entire account and rebuild it from
scratch. It is my oldest account.

Thank you Allie

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Re: reply template problem

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 8/13/02, 3:20 PM

Hi Marck,
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 12:32:58 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:32 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'reply template problem'

MDP> ... but do the default account templates apply across the board? Do
MDP> you have anything in your address book for any of the variants that
MDP> may be distracting TB?

The only constant in the address book entries is that my last name is
somewhere in it. Each entry is unique, eg: Paul Wilson, Pwilson,
pgwilson, etc. Each handle or nickname is not even a variant of those.

By the way, I had to find this message in my archive account. It never
arrived in the account that it was sent from. I think there may be a
problem with that account.

>> The reply will have the proper date and name, subject info. The
>> Quotes, cursor and cookie macros don't work. -snip-

MDP> There's no reason why that would happen with consistent templates.

For testing I have pasted the same template in all of the address book
entries, plus the group reply, the account reply and folder reply,
(which normally is blank) Same result, only a portion of the template
works.

MDP> If that were really the reply template being used then you would have
MDP> no problem. I think that something else is kicking in. Check your
MDP> address book. Check the various account templates.

The problem is only with that one account. A reply between any of the
other accounts works fine. This problem account is the oldest one. It
may be time to clean house :)
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reply template problem

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 8/10/02, 7:57 PM
Hi TBUDL Members,
I posted this on the beta list and got no response, so I will try
here.

I have several accounts set up. Each has a unique variation of my name.
No duplicate handles or address book entries. No Folder Templates
involved here, (I don't use them)

If I send a test message from one account to another, all works fine.
If I reply to that message, Highlighting and pressing F4 only a portion
of the template works.

The reply will have the proper date and name, subject info. The
Quotes, cursor and cookie macros don't work. No quotes, the cursor is
at the top of the page and where the cookie should it says
(E:"\batbu\tags.txt") which is the proper path and file.

A reply to any other message, including one from myself at work, works
perfectly as expected.

I am not sure this is not a protection in case a person had auto reply
set up you could end up with a buzzillion replies, or if there is
something I am missing.

The template is below. Any help appreciated.

**reply template*

%DOW, %DATESHORT, %TIME
Hi
%TOFNAME,%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
On%SUBPATT="2", at %SUBPATT="3" [GMT%SUBPATT="4"] (which was %OTIME where I
live) 
you wrote about:
'%setpattregexp="(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)"%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%SubPatt="5"'

%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)
%CURSOR
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Running on: %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME,%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION,%WINDOWSMINORVERSION

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Re: USING GnuPG...

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 8/3/02, 9:24 PM

Hi ETM,
On Sat, 03 Aug 2002, at 22:22:55 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:22 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'USING GnuPG...'

E> A file folder (in the US) runs with the oldest paper at the
E> bottom and the current papers proceeding in chronological filing
E> order to the top of the stack.  Is this a country thing?

Not in my office!!! Firstly, there are NO piles of papers in any
order. They had best be in the proper folders, in the correct order so
that I, or any other authorized person can find the document, letter,
or response with a flick of a file folder. Oldest in front, responses
and replies to responses to the rear.

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Re: TBUDL Bandwidth

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 8/2/02, 10:19 AM

Hi Dierk,
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, at 18:41:15 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:41 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'TBUDL Bandwidth'

DH> One exception, in Northrine-Westphalia there are some locales where
DH> our next federal election will be held with the help of computers. And
DH> since it is not possible to mark several fields - rendering the vote
DH> invalid - the put in a new field "undecided".

I've always liked the "none of the above" option. Would like to see it
in all political elections.

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Re: Please release BatNews!

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 6/25/02, 1:31 PM

Hi PFord,
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 00:02:50 [GMT -0400] (which was 9:02 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Please release BatNews!'

P> Why? The world is moving to unified messaging - not just email,
P> newsgroups, instant messaging and other text-based communication - but
P> voice and even video messaging.

We will have to disagree on this one. I see just the opposite
happening. Yes there are the people who want everything available
through their cell phone or PCS. Those are the ones you see reading
E-mail at a bus stop. They could not tell you what color the roses are
on a bush across the street or whether the girl waiting for the bus is
wearing silk stockings or what color her hair is.

I don't see that in my circle of friends or co-workers. More people
are looking to simple modular concepts to handle individual tasks.

P>  People get weary of having to track communications in a plethora of
P> different applications and mediums.

There is always AOL for them.

P> It seems to me the least TB! needs to keep up is NNTP support.

Miguel provides a perfect solution for that in 
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Re: Please release BatNews!

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 6/24/02, 6:13 PM

Hi Ben,
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 20:31:59 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:31 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Please release BatNews!'

BK> I would REALLY like to see TB support Newsgroups and the like.

BK> Anyone else?
I shall not rant, I shall not rant!
No thank you. I use a browser to surf, a newsreader for newsgroups and
The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!!


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Re: My 2 cents

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 6/20/02, 12:02 PM

Hi Marck,
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, at 20:14:10 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:14 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'My 2 cents'

>> I'm still wondering what Paul said. Should I alter my settings?

>> Thinking about it I don't like it. I'd prefer Paul to write plain
>> text. :-)

> So would Paul!!!

I think the growling must have been the hamster that powers this
thing. When I whacked it I must have knocked him off his wheel.
In revenge, he changed my settings to base 64.  :)

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 6/13/02, 5:52 PM

Hi Joseph,
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, at 14:35:11 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:35 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?'

JN> I haven't met an IT person yet who's heard of The Bat!  And, while MS
JN> may not have the best performing applications, giving high marks to
JN> its presence in the marketplace sounds like perfectly pitched
JN> corporate-speak to me.

We have three "I.T" people at work. They are straight out of I T
school. It seems they were only trained to deal with M$ applications.
When they have to deal with the AS400, BPCS or the Phoenix Grape
System, it turns into a kiddy zoo real fast.
They are convinced that McAfee is the ONLY virus program out there.
After a long battle we convinced them to not use outlook. They
switched to Lotus Notes which has become a clone of Outlook, not much
better.
If I were not 13 months from RETIREMENT, I would be tempted to get
certified.

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Re: Failure to conect to server on one account

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 6/2/02, 7:20 AM

Hi Nick,
On Sun, 02 Jun 2002, at 07:11:31 [GMT -0700] (which was 7:11 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Failure to conect to server on one account'

>> Two of the accounts are on the same server.  One of them will connect
>> normally and one will not - the log says "FETCH - Could not connect to
>> the server".  As I said, sometimes it will connect and sometimes not.

NA> If it is any consolation, I too experience the same thing... and on both
NA> Becky as well as TB. I don't know... The Servers probably hiccup once in a
NA> while. ;o)

I also have two accounts on each of two different servers. I have the
time staggered for periodic checks. Twelve minutes seems to work fine
with Myrealbox, Ten minutes works fine with Pac Bell.

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Templat problem (reply template)

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 6/1/02, 5:54 PM
Hi TBUDL Members,
I am having a problem with templates. I want my reply to be below the
quotes. I have blank folder and account templates. I am only using
address book templates.
No matter what I do, when I highlight a portion of a message and hit
F4 the cursor pops up above the quotes.
Also, the "Bomb of the day" phrase below has been removed from the
templates. It still shows up.
I have tried changing words in my sig in the various adb group
templates in an attempt to track it down. To no avail.
There is a rogue template somewhere. Here is the template I am using
for this list.

%DOW, %DATESHORT, %TIME
Hi 
%TOFNAME,%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
On%SUBPATT="2", at %SUBPATT="3" [GMT%SUBPATT="4"] (which was %OTIME where I live) 
you wrote about: 
'%setpattregexp="(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)"%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%SubPatt="5"'
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)
%CURSOR
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%COOKIE="E:\batbu\tags.txt"
On the wings of The Bat! Version: %THEBATVERSION
Running on: %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME,%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION,%WINDOWSMINORVERSION
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Re: Templat problem (reply template)

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 6/1/02, 8:04 PM

Hi Januk,
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, at 19:54:30 [GMT -0700] (which was 7:54 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Templat problem (reply template)'

JA> It looks like you have duplicate entries for the contact/group in
JA> question.  If either or both of the entries have AB templates, you can
JA> get weird results, sometimes results that correspond to neither of the
JA> templates.  Try to do an AB search (AB -> F7) on the address that's
JA> giving you problems.  That should reveal duplicate entries.

Thank you. You hit it on the nose, Several duplicate entries. That was
what was throwing me off. I had only one group that was behaving
properly I was beginning to think I was being haunted by a second
address book somewhere.
Yes it was a copy error in the template I included. Thank You Januk.

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Re: Link catching, was Re: Cookies wanted!

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 5/24/02, 8:59 PM

Hi Pete,
On Fri, 24 May 2002, at 19:25:09 [GMT -0600] (which was 6:25 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Link catching, was Re: Cookies wanted!'


P> I am not sure I understand what you mean by 'which viewer'.  You do know I
P> was talking about a link in the email body, not SmartBat...right?

There were complaints during the beta test cycle about certain links
not being live when using the Rich Text Viewer. Just wondering if it
had reared its ugly head again.

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Re: Link catching, was Re: Cookies wanted!

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Friday, 5/24/02, 4:59 PM

Hi Pete,
On Thu, 23 May 2002, at 11:24:33 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:24 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Link catching, was Re: Cookies wanted!'

P> When I put my mouse in a link it then turns into a blue arrow.  I then
P> double click and it opens the browser and goes to the page.

P> I am not sure why it doesn't work for you.  I wonder if it is a Secure Bat!
P> issue only??

Nope! Doesn't work here either using fixed width viewer. Which viewer
are you using?

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Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 5/21/02, 9:02 PM

Hi Nick,
On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 21:15:31 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:15 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Time for a TB! newsgroup?'


N> Let's end this crazy debate about a TB Newsgroup.

Right on Nick. By the way, Thank You, using your instructions I have
ADR up and running. It sure is faster than waiting to connect to my
ISP's server.

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Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 5/21/02, 6:08 PM

Hi Joseph,
On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 20:17:28 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:17 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Time for a TB! newsgroup?'

J> Isn't it time we created a newsgroup where messages could be posted
J> and read, even retained for a period of time?  It would not have to be
J> carried widely on various ISP's; it could still be hosted by the very
J> generous people who are now hosting the archives or by RITlabs
J> themselves.

J> Any interest in this?  Isn't it time?

If that happens I will get along without the lists. If you think the
moderators are busy now, just wait until they are having to weed out
the spam and porn. Yes I know you are going to suggest a subscription
only newsgroup, they still figure out a way to get it in.
E-mail lists are the best. This is an E-mail program after all.
If the volume is too much, just read the archives and don't subscribe
to the lists.

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Re: Pop/Smtp authentication

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 5/20/02, 5:05 PM

Hi Melissa,
On Mon, 20 May 2002, at 15:54:00 [GMT -0700] (which was 3:54 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Pop/Smtp authentication'

M> ADR is ridiculously easy to set up.  Mercury seemed a bit less
M> intuitive when I once had a look at it.

I have been playing with ADR off and on for a week or so. I have not
yet been able to get it to work. All I ever get is the error message,
(could not connect to server) followed by the email addy of the person
I am sending to. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have gone
through the help file with a fine tooth comb.
Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: ticker info?

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 5/17/02, 12:57 PM

Hi David,
On Fri, 17 May 2002, at 10:11:40 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:11 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'ticker info?'

DVZ>>>  When new messages
DVZ>>> arrive I have to close the ticker virtual folder and reopen it.
DVZ>>> Is this the normal behaviour or am I missing something?

If you go to OPTIONS/define system hotkeys. you can define a key combo
to open mail ticker messages. I have mine set to (Ctrl+Shift=z). I
very rarely bring the main program out of the system tray.

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Re: Remail

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 5/16/02, 5:14 PM

Hi Krister,
On Thu, 16 May 2002, at 15:24:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 6:24 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Remail'


RO>> Or subscribe to a free e-mail provider, gmx.net comes to mind, they're
RO>> free, aren't they?

K> Yup, but i think they're only available in german now adays. Please
K> correct me if i'm wrong.

That is true. If you use Netcaptor or Opera you can translate the
pages to any language you choose. I have three GMX accounts and my
German is limited to the cuss words. :)

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Re: TB! v1.60i

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 5/9/02, 4:14 PM

Hi Jonathan,
On Thu, 9 May 2002, at 09:02:18 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:02 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'TB! v1.60i'

>> http://www.alsscan.com/main.html

J> lol.. and there was me thinking that site would be humorous ;)  Good
J> job my monitor faces away from my office door :P

Now THAT is a set of skins I could support for The Bat!

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Re: All this effort for what?? Batted-out!!

[Paul Wilson]

Wednesday, 5/1/02, 5:11 PM

Hi Julius,
On Wed, 1 May 2002, at 00:36:13 [GMT -0400] (which was 9:36 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'All this effort for what?? Batted-out!!'

J> But all I see is about 200 e-mail exchanges per day!! about PROBLEMS with TB and
J> hopes for better versions etc.

Mine is double that as I have a separate account subscribed to all
four lists, as an archive where the messages are kept for 60 days.

J> How can we/you spend all our time nit-picking the program of our choice every
J> time we sign-on to the net??

The percentage of "nit-picking" is really very low and usually from
only a few people who think The Bat! should perform some function like
their previous e-mailer did. Which is not in itself a bad thing.

This is the most "user friendly" mail list I have ever been involved
with. Where else can you ask a question and get 3, 4 or five viable
answers within five minutes?

J> Easier for me to go back to OE and not have to read 200 questions/ day about TB. 
AND WE
J> PAID FOR TB!! While OE and NS are free.

That is your choice if you are willing to trade 200 questions (and
answers), for crashes, lockups and viruses included with those
programs. I paid for TB at about version 1.29 or so and have never
looked back.

J> Can we end this and get a decent product out of the bat! ?

Best E-mail program I have ever used.

J>  regardless of comments from "moderators" with credentials.

The Moderators on these list come with very good credentials. They are
helpful, knowledgeable and even-handed. I have not seen anyone get
"Trouted" in several months ;)

Most of the time they are experiencing the same behaviors we are. At
least when you get a message from Allie or Mark, they are using The
Bat!, not so on some lists I have been on, (Eudora for one).

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Re: F1 key

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 4/5/02, 9:53 AM

Hi Shauna,
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, at 10:06:25 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:06 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'F1 key'

SS> Hello All,

SS> Twice in the last two days

Yes, when I was younger. Sometimes even more.

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Re: TB! & mailaccounts (OT?)

[Paul Wilson]

Wednesday, 3/27/02, 8:19 PM

Hi Joseph,
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, at 10:12:32 [GMT -0600] (which was 8:12 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'TB! & mailaccounts (OT?)'

JN> GMX is an outstanding service, but, yes, it's vital to know German to
JN> use it.  When they discontinued the English service, I thought I could
JN> muddle through the German one, but it took me about an hour and a half
JN> just to change some settings.

If you use Netcaptor you can translate the pages from German to
English using Babylon. That is the way I deal with my two GMX
accounts.

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Re: -insatallation

[Paul Wilson]

Monday, 3/4/02, 4:12 PM

Hi Joseph,
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, at 17:19:00 [GMT -0600] (which was 3:19 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: '-insatallation'

JN>  Marck D Pearlstone wrote on Monday, March 04, 2002:

>> The latest actual *beta* is 1.54 beta/45 and is part of
>> a beta cycle that is already nine months down the road and very
>> stable.

JN> Your statement makes me think--again--of trying out the current Beta.
JN> But stability is what I need; a Win98 environment is what I have; and
JN> I have gathered from comments both here and on the Beta list that
JN> 1.54Bx and Win98 are not on friendly terms. 

In my opinion they could release 154 now. I have no problems with it.
It is the fastest of this series and very stable for me.

I may be wrong but I think all you need to do is rename the old exe
file, after backing everything up. Unpack the new file. If it doesn't
work out as what you want, just delete the executable and rename the
old one back to "exe"

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Re: Changing received message subject

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 1/13/02, 8:57 PM

Hi Rick,
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, at 22:24:22 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:24 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Changing received message subject'

RR> Well, since someone helped me with this yesterday, I'll return the
RR> favor:) TB has the excellent memo feature, which I like better than
RR> altering the subject (which I used to do in Pegasus mail). Just
RR> highlight the message and press ctrl-shift-I and a memo box
RR> appears. Type in whatever you want and then make sure to have the
RR> "memo" field in view as a column and you'll see your memo there. ( To
RR> select the columns go to "view" then "Message List Columns).

I  would love to use the memo feature to add a little something to the
subject matter. Unfortunately I have never been able to get the memo to
save.  The  disk  icon  and the trash icon are both grayed out and the
shortcut (Ctrl+S) has no effect. Any ideas.
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I need to strip HTML

[Paul Wilson]

Friday, 7/6/2001, 9:02 AM
Hi Everyone,
 I  am  subscribed  to one mailing list where most of the members send
 HTML Email.
 I  have  searched  the archives and the Help files for a way to strip
 the  html  part.  I know I have seen an answer to this somewhere, but
 can not remember where or when.
 If  I can set up a filter to strip them on incoming, great. If it has
 to  be  a  manual  thing,  that is OK also. I am just trying to avoid
 doing 200 per day, one at a time.
 Any help greatly appreciated.
 
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Re:uninstall please

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 6/19/2001, 9:32 AM
Hi Jan,
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, at 07:57:57 [GMT -0400] (which was 4:57 AM where I live) 
you wrote about:
uninstall please

JR>   Well now there's a thought. I hope some tech_maven will come along
JR>   to explain how TB! can be installed without showing up on windows
JR>   install/un-install list. I'd be interested.

It  may  seem  strange,  but  it  does  happen. The Bat! was not in my
add/remove menu until I ran "Tweakui" and received the message that my
add/remove menu was munged, and would I like Tweakui to repair it.
I  clicked OK and The Bat! and about twenty other programs appeared in
the  menu.  Programs  that  had  been  deleted but unable to uninstall
because they were not in the menu.

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The Bat! temp files.

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 4/22/2001, 12:05 PM

Hello TBUDL list members,
  I  just  checked  my  windows\temp  dir for left over bat.tmp files.
  There  was 165 of them, I then checked my trash folder. It contained
  165  files.  After  deleting  them and purging all folders, the temp
  files were gone.
  I  don't  know  if this is part of the issue other people are having
  with  the  temp  files  building up. I have never had a problem with
  massive  build-up  of the temps, perhaps it is because I do frequent
  purges of the folders. My system is on all the time. The only time I
  shut down TB is to install an upgrade.
Later, Paul
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Re: Digest (12/17/2000 01:38) Special Issue (#2000-615)

[Paul Wilson]

Saturday, 12/16/2000, 10:45 AM

Hi Fusiontunes,
I  agree  completely.  I  use  the  mail ticker  all the time. The main
program stays minimized in the tray, except for maintenance sessions.
I  would also like to see the right click menu for the tray icon, have
the option of calling up the ticker.
My  family uses this computer and hides the ticker. I have to bring up
the  main  program  click  options/mail ticker/show automatically then
minimize the program. One click in the menu would be much nicer.
The delete message is one that is really needed.

Later, Paul
Quote===

> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:33:05 -0500
> From: Fusiontunes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: An Idea

> Hello,

> Wouldn't  it  be  neat  if  we could right click on a message scrolling
> across  the  ticker  and  delete  it there without bringing up the main
> program..??

> Best regards,
> Fusiontunes.


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Re: Ctrl-up Crtl-down behavior

[Paul Wilson]

Hi TBUDL,
I thought I was the only one with this problem.
The key combinations happen just the opposite of the direction
the little arrow in the sort menu indicates. I thought it was me,
and perhaps it is.

On or about, 8/5/2000,Fred van Veen, during a
brief period of lucidity said:
--Original Message-

FvV>>> Further, when sorted last created message first, ctrl up goes down
FvV>>> (the previous message) and ctrl down goes up (the next message).
FvV>>> Isn't this strange too? Should ctrl up and ctrl down not look how
FvV>>> the list folder is sorted? It could be that I'm wrong.

FvV>>> No, I'm not. When I'm in the message, Ctrl up goes down to the
FvV>>> message below the message Ctrl down goes up to the message above
FvV>>> the message!

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