Re: turning off automatic copyright symbol with (c)

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 03:22:40 -0600,Avram wrote:
> HI, 
>  
> As an attorney, I am frequently needing to cite statute and regulation 
> subsections in e-mails. Often, I need to type a "c" within parentheses in 
> order to indicate a particular section's subsection, such as SSA § 202(c). 
> However, in normal typing, "(c)" automatically changes to "©" unless I use a 
> work-around by typing a space between the "c" and one of the parentheses, and 
> then, later, using the backspace key to close up the space.  This is tedious! 
>   How can I turn off this "feature?"  I see nothing in the "Preferences" 
> window that addresses this.   
There is a slightly awkward way of doing it, that is to type (c ) (which has an 
extra space between the "c" and the ")") and then go back and delete that 
space. The required (c) then stays .
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Re: Anyone using Mymacros.tbp in TB 64-bit?

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 18:25:30 +0100,MAU wrote:

> I  had  not  used  Mymacros  in  a long long time and today I tried to
> include  the plugin in my 64-bit TB, but I get an error. I am assuming
> it is because Mynacros.tbp is 32 bits. Can anyone confirm?
 
Yes, I am using the 32-bit version so that I can use MyMacros. It doesn't work 
for me on the 64-bit version.
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Re: Stopping a numbered list

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 at 11:47:42 +1000,Ian wrote:

> I was creating a number list (no special command entered.

> The line started with

> 1.

> When I finished the entry, I pressed the enter and the next line was 
> automatically as 2.

> Great, I thought, only now I can't stop the numbers when I press the enter 
> key!

My experience is that pressing "Decrease indent" after the desired initial 
indented and numbered paragraphs breaks the automatic indenting and numbering.
 
Also if you put a space before your first line starting with 1. it doesn't 
indent. You can then go back and delete that initial space and manually create 
lines starting with 2. , 3. , etc without them becoming indented as well. Like 
this:
1. First line, started with a space that I then deleted after writing the "1."
2. Second line, manually entered "2.", no initial space needed, no automatic 
indenting or numbering occurred
3. And so on.
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Re: Check for Update Fails

[Robin Anson]

Title: Re: Check for Update Fails


On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 08:21:14 +,Acheton wrote:




I'm running 9.3.0.2 and when I go Help->Check for update TB responds with 'Your version of TB is most current'.  However if I check the website 9.3.1 is available, and I assume that the update function should download it automatically.  Just wanted to report as an error.



Lucky you!

I'm running 9.2.3 and when I check for update nothing happens at all!
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Re: IMAP -- for dummies, please

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 at 13:15:33 -0800,Melissa wrote:
> Also, I'm noticing something peculiar with checking messages via the
> IMAP account...

> The "Connection Centre" doesn't pop up on-screen automatically as it
> does when I check for new mail in my POP accounts, but apparently, it
> does open (have to click on it to show on-screen). However, it says
> it's in "IDLE mode", and I have to "abort all" and manually close the
> "Connection Centre", or it will just sit there, apparently doing
> nothing.

That's because it's IMAP.

Wikipedia tells us (amongst other things) that:

   When using POP, clients typically connect to the e-mail server briefly, only 
as
   long as it takes to download new messages. When using IMAP4, clients often 
stay
   connected as long as the user interface is active and download message 
content
   on demand. For users with many or large messages, this IMAP4 usage pattern 
can
   result in faster response times.

and that:

   IMAP4 clients need to maintain a TCP/IP connection to the IMAP server in 
order
   to be notified of the arrival of new mail.

So I think it just comes with the change in protocol

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Saving a TB! shortcut

[Robin Anson]

Hi Batfolk, 

I am having trouble saving an editor shortcut.

I want to assign CTRL+/  in the message editor to Utilities>Character 
case>Capitalise.

I can successfully create the shortcut using the customise>shortcuts, and I 
have tested that it works. However, when I close TB and open it again, the 
shortcut has been lost.

Does anyone have any ideas about this?

Perhaps the shortcuts are stored in a file that doesn't have write permissions 
on it - does anyone know where they are stored?

Robin Anson
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Re: Bulk delete

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 15:44:44 -0500,Jack wrote:
> Is there a way to bulk delete messages from a particular email address?
> I'm thinking like CTRL>SELECT or CTRL_A.

Alt-(left)click on the sender will display only emails from that
sender. Then CTRL+A and DELETE.

Simple

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Re: Macro / Template question

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 at 20:17:05 +0100,Carsten wrote:
> short question: is there a macro I can use, to find out how many recipients
> a message I reply to has, or one that can tell me if a specific string is
> part of the message's From address?

This is a quick template that that I created to parse an address list.
It might be useful for you. As written, of course, it assumes it has
the handle "ParseAddressList".


%Rem=^

Usage:
   %QInclude(ParseAddressList,"")

Returns:
   %_FirstAddress: first address from the list
   %_RemainingAddressList: address list without the first

^%-
%-
%_FirstAddress=""%-
%_RemainingAddressList=""%-
%If:'%_1'<>''%-
:'%setpattregexp=#^((?(?=")"[^"]*")[^;,]*)[;,\s]*(.*?)[;,\s]*$#%-
%regexpblindmatch="%_1"%-
%_FirstAddress=+%subpatt="1"+%-
%_RemainingAddressList=+%Subpatt="2"+'%-
:''%-


The list of addresses you might feed it could be "%To,%CClist"
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Re: Quick templates and html

[Robin Anson]

On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 at 00:52:24 +0400,Assad wrote:
> Hello Robin,
>
> On 08 April 2014, Robin Anson wrote and made these points on the
> subject of "Quick templates and html":
>
RA>> I haven't yet sorted out why the delimiters I use in my quick
RA>> templates (e.g. ", ', %, $, ^, etc) appear in the output when I use an
RA>> html message template.
>
>  One way you can circumvent this problem is to have the
> template in a separate Quick Template then use %Qinclude to call for the 
> template.

Actually, that is what I do.

I have discovered that if I execute the QT manually, i.e. I type it's
handle and then press CTRL+SPACE, it works fine. If I use %QInclude to
call it from the template, it fails.

How can that be? I don't know, but I have finally given up on TB! for
business use and am moving to Outlook now.

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Re: Enlarging incomimg mail body test

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 at 19:48:52 +0100,Forums wrote:
>>> Thanks - was hoping it would be simpler than that. Will have a play with 
>>> that.
>
J>> Click inside message body, hold Ctrl, then scroll with your
J>> mousewheel.
>
> Thanks for the hint. Doesn't work on all messages.
>
> Changing the template settings does not seem to have any effect.
> For instance I cannot find a way to change the line above starting "Thanks"

Try "Quoted Text (even)" and "Quoted Prefix (even)" or
"Quoted Text (odd)" and "Quoted Prefix (odd)"
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Quick templates and html

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

Has anyone any experience with using html templates and quick
templates together?

I have to use html for business purposes (company standard) and I have
an extensive set of quick templates that I use for formatting emails
etc. However the two do not seem to mix well.

When I use my existing templates with an html message template, I end
up with a host of delimiters and blank lines in the message that
simply don't appear in a plain text message.

I have noted, for instance, that if I include a line in the html
message template containing only the following characters
%-
it produces a blank line in message. In a plain text message it
produces no output. Unfortunately I use lots of such lines in my quick
templates to help make it readable

I haven't yet sorted out why the delimiters I use in my quick
templates (e.g. ", ', %, $, ^, etc) appear in the output when I use an
html message template.

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Re: Expanding threads problems

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 at 22:52:29 +,Robert wrote:
> 1)  behaves identically with , i.e.,
> expands *all* threads, not just the one under the cursor.
Confirmed on my system

> 2) None of ,  or  work. All invoke
> the standard Windows Alt+Space menu for the current window (Restore,
> Move, Size, Minimize, Maximise, Close).  on its own appears to
> work like Plus, but moves the cursor down a line each time, which Plus
> doesn't.
 appears to do nothing
 appears to open the last message in the thread
immediately above the current cursor position
 invokes the standard Windows function
 scrolls down the current message in the preview pane

> 3)  partially works. If I put the cursor on a top-level
> node and press Plus, it will show the child nodes, but not necessarily
> open the grandchild nodes. Whether that happens or no seems to depend
> on how they were left last time. If the grandchild nodes were open,
> then Plus on the top-level opens them, but if they weren't, it
> doesn't, so I repeatedly have to use Plus on the next level down.
Confirmed (this has been the standard behaviour as long as I have used
TB!)

> I'd like a way to expand/collapse all nodes of the current thread,
> regardless of how the nodes were left last time, and also for Help to
> match what I see, or at least to explain why I don't seem to see what
> I think it's saying.  Please can anyone confirm what I'm seeing?  Have
> I misunderstood something?
I _think_ the behaviour of  and 
have changed since v5, but I no longer have v5 installed to confirm.

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Re: Addressbook entry issues

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 at 10:01:21 +1000,Ian wrote:
> Hide items if not explicitly selected
>
> This is not as clear as it could be (at least to me).

I've never understood what this is intended to mean. Hide items if _what_ is not
explicitly selected?? Hide items from _what_?? Presumably it did make sense to
someone once, and I'd love to hear an explanation.

It should say something like "Don't display group members in root".

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changed behaviour of copy/move in v5

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have recently upgraded to v5 of TB!. In v4, when moving a message I think the
window to select the destination highlighted the current folder (or perhaps the
root of the account?). Anyway, when moving a message from the inbox I could
simply type the name of the receiving folder and it would find the folder of
that name in the current account.

I v5, however, it seems to remember the last destination of a move.  So now when
I type the name of the receiving folder, it often finds the folder of that name
in a subsequent account, because the starting position was after the desired
receiving folder.

I have tried adjusting the option "Remember the last destination of copy/move
operations for each folder", but it seems to make no difference.

Ideally I think I would like to go back to the v4 behaviour.

Is anyone else troubled by the same problem? If so, have you found a
work-around?

Robin Anson
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Rad filters don't work

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have recently upgraded from version 4 of TB to version 5. I have a number of
read filters which I use to file messages when I have read them, but these are
not triggered when I mark the messages as read manually.

If I set TB to mark messages as read when they are opened in a new window, the
filter works as expected.

Is this a known problem? Is there a solution?

Robin Anson
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Re: Where to I forward invalid HTML??

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 at 05:28:12 +0100,St wrote:
>
>> Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers.
>
> I haven't seen that message myself. I have seen tons of spam with broken
> HTML - but a googling indicates it's indeed related to TB.

Yes, it's what TB displays when it doesn't like the incoming message. If I
open the attached "Message.html" it opens fine in my browser, but presumably
the html breaks some standard that the browser is flexible about. Or perhaps
there is a real bug?

> Is this problem connected to one/some specific Sender(s) or is it
> present in just about any message? Could the problem be connected to a
> mass mailing and the Sender didn't format their newsletter properly?
> Or is this a problem with YOUR outgoing messages??

Anything from LinkedIn now displays this message. It didn't use to, but
perhaps LinkedIn has changed its html email generator.

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Where to I forward invalid HTML??

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I frequently get HTML email that displays in TB with the message
   Invalid HTML !
   Please forward this message to developers.
   Thanks.

Strangely enough, it doesn't indicate any email address for forwarding the
message.

Do they want it? Do they care? How hard am I supposed to research where to
send it??

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Re: Top posting

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 at 20:56:36 +,Robert wrote:
>   Is there any easy way to make TB top-post?

You need to set up a reply template that gets called under the right
circumstances.

I have one called "TopPost" that looks a bit like an MS Exchange reply. It
also calls a signature template (called "Sig"), you could just replace it with
your standard signature:

Dear %OFromName

--
%Qinclude(Sig)

==Original Message
From: %OFromName <%OFromAddr>
Sent: %QInclude(YourDate) at %QInclude(YourTime)
To: %OToList
%If:"%OCCList"<>"":"CC: %OCCList
":""%-
Subject: %OFullSubj

%Text

End Original Message==
%Clear%-
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Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 at 16:36:46 -0500,Jack wrote:
> Well, I don't get it.
>
> If I start a new message and click the chevron (VIEW HISTORY) at the far right
> of the TO field, I am presented with a history of most recently used 
> addresses.
> While the list is displayed I can press the down-arrow key (not the mouse
> cursor) which causes the top address in the list to become highlighted. Once 
> the
> top address is highlighted I can continue to use the down-arrow key to travel
> down in the list, the next address being highlighted with each down-arrow
> keypress. Any address highlighted in this manner can then either be deleted by
> pressing the DEL key or PARKed by pressing the space bar.

After experimenting, I discovered that it only works if you haven't already
started to enter characters in the address line. In other words, don't type
something to get the drop down list, just press the chevron (as you did) to
get the list.

Then it works!

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Re: SMTP servers On-The-Go: how to share an SMTP server

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 at 17:51:28 +0200,Luca wrote:
>> >> > I'm trying to share an SMTP server between more than one account, but 
>> >> > the
>> >> > "shared" flag is not active. 
>> >> 
>> >> My TB! version has no "shared flag" in the account|transport settings, 
>> >> active or otherwise. 
>> >
>> > If you select "use SMTP servers on-the-go", then "configure", you get a
>> > "shared" checkbox, not working, for each server. Maybe in some next 
>> > build...
>> 
>> Where is this option to be found?
>
> Account/properties. 

Hmm, you must be running v5.

If you share your version number in your question it helps people resolve your
problems. Since I'm running v4, I cannot help you

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Re: SMTP servers On-The-Go: how to share an SMTP server

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 at 21:08:24 +0200,Luca wrote:
>> > I'm trying to share an SMTP server between more than one account, but the
>> > "shared" flag is not active. 
>> 
>> My TB! version has no "shared flag" in the account|transport settings, 
>> active or otherwise. 
>
> If you select "use SMTP servers on-the-go", then "configure", you get a
> "shared" checkbox, not working, for each server. Maybe in some next build...

Where is this option to be found?

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Re: How to add a double quotation to a template

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 at 22:03:55 -0400,Rick wrote:
> WOW - I never knew that you could use that. It worked like a charm and
> I fixed the 4 templates where it was needed and they worked flawlesssy

You can use all sorts of characters. I have used " ' ^ % ! + | # @ and
probably more as delimiters.

Perhaps any character can be used as a delimiter if it just appears in the
right place -- does anyone here have a definitive answer for that?

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Re: How to add a double quotation to a template

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 at 20:45:35 -0400,Rick wrote:
> I WANT it to add a " as in the following
>
> %Subject="Jigsaw  Puzzle  "" in other words, I want the new subject to
> end  in  a  quotation  mark.  I  can't  do  it.  I have added both the
> quotation mark and tried it with %22 and get either nothing or a weird
> result

Try using another delimiter, like this
%Subject=^Jigsaw Puzzle "^

The macro will recognise the first ^ as the delimter and then include
everything up to the second one.

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Re: Strange error message

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 at 13:55:06 -0700,Lynn wrote:
> On 3/17/2012, you wrote:
>
L>>> The  messages  are:  FETCH - could not store message (file
L>>> name-c:\users\lynn\temp\bat*.tmp) String looks like hex, 4
L>>> characters.

<...snip...>

> It seems to be deleting it after the fact.

I'm not sure whether it will help you, but I experience the same problem
although under different circumstances.

I run Mozy as an online backup system, and when it is running, it seems to
lock my message files (although it is not supposed to). If I download email
while the backup is running, I get a similar message about not being able to
store message, with the same sort of file name. These files also disappear so
that I am unable to do something constructive like manually import them at a
later time.

Perhaps something is preventing access to the message files of this particular
account?
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Re: Insert LINK?

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 at 10:00:32 -0500,Edward wrote:
> I  wonder  why  TB!  can't  put  in  hyperlinks.  Shouldn't be
> difficult to code.  Then you could have a "click here" instead of long
> URL's that even TinyUrl can't compress enough.  URL's get in the way of
> communicating, sometimes.

But it can, using html-coded messages.

If you don't want to use html, you have to use plain text, I don't believe
there is any standards-based third option. And plain text is just that, plain
text. It has no way of hiding a long URL, so you just have to put up with it
in all it's glory.

This isn't a problem of TB!, it is a fact of the way email messages are
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Account folder always starts expanded

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

For some reason the account folder structure of one of my accounts always
opens in the account pane expanded. All other accounts open as they were when
I closed TB, but this one has, over the last week or two, refused to do so.

Does anyone know where the information about the account pane is stored? I was
thinking of deleting that file and seeing if it will recreate so that the
account behaves properly.

Alternatively, does anyone know what might be causing this behaviour?

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Re: Problems on Windows 7

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 at 23:09:41 -0400,Jack wrote:
> I see though that my text was not formatted properly. I have the editor to
> go to a new line at 70 characters. It is doing it now as I type but when the
> message shows on the list, there's no limit.

It sounds as though you are using the Windows editor, not the MicroEd editor.

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Re: Which version should I upgrade to?

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 at 14:28:33 +0200,Mary wrote:
> I've been thinking of upgrading recently because the Scheduler would be very
> useful

<...snip...>

> Are there any major problems with v4.2.44 that I should be aware of?
> Alternatively, I see v4.0.38 and some earlier ones are still availble for
> download.
>
> Any recommendations?

I am running v4.2.42 and I have no problems with it except that it is
about time we had a more capable html editor. Everything else works
fine, and I make extensive use of filters, templates and customised
quick templates.

I don't make any use of the scheduler though, so can offer no opinion
on that.

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Re: Put message in Outbox

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 25 May 2011 at 14:58:00 +1000,Ian wrote:
> I put the first few ones in my Outbox using the "Put message in
> Outbox" button. To my surprise, around5 minutes later, The Bat! 
> started sending them out. Now before the postponed sending option was 
> introduced, any message put in the outbox would stay there until 
> explicitly sent either individually or by send all queued mail.

Not in my setup.

I have combined delivery set (in Account Properties->Transport) and it
has always been the case that when I select "Put message in the
outbox" it gets sent on the next mail check. I have never used "Send
queued mail".

Of course, your configuration may be different to mine.

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Re: How to get CC line to appear in printout

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 at 01:10:58 -0500,Achdut18 wrote:
RA>> Yes, put this in instead of the CC: line you currently have
>
RA>> %If:"%OCCList"<>"":"CC:  %OCCList
RA>> ":""%-
>
> Thanks.  Just to be clear,
>
> My current CC line says:
>
> CC: %CClist
>
> Are you saying that I should remove
>
> CC: %CC
>
> and replace it with the following:
>
> CC: %If:"%OCCList"<>"":"
> CC: %OCCList":""%-

No, I am saying that the current line

CC:

Should be replaced by

%If:"%OCCList"<>"":"CC:  %OCCList
":""%-

So that part of the template should look like:


From: %FromName <%FromAddr>
  To: %ToName <%ToAddr>
%If:"%OCCList"<>"":" CC: %OCCList
":""%-
Date: %ODateEn %OTimeLongEn
 Subject: %Subj
  Folder: %FolderName/%AccountName

(and here I have adjusted spacing somewhat to match what you already
have - you might need to adjust it further before the bit that says
'CC: %OCCList')

I am not sure why I have the %OCCList macro, but it works for me here.
The alternative is the %CCList macro which should also work.
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Re: How to get CC line to appear in printout

[Robin Anson]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 at 21:18:36 -0500,Achdut18 wrote:
> I can get the recipients in the CC field to show when the mail
> message is printed:
>
> %BCC=""-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> From: %FromName <%FromAddr>
>   To: %ToName <%ToAddr>
>   CC: %CC
> Date: %ODateEn %OTimeLongEn
>  Subject: %Subj
> -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> %Text
>
> -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> However, when I print a mail message with no CC'd individuals, the CC
> line appears and is blank.  Can I have my cake and eat it too?

Yes, put this in instead of the CC: line you currently have

%If:"%OCCList"<>"":"CC:  %OCCList
":""%-

This breaks over two lines (so that if there is no CC you don't have a
blank line. It says that if the original CC list is not blank ("%OCCList"<>"")
print it followed by a new line. Otherwise print nothing.

You will probably also want to adjust the spacing a bit to match your
template

Robin

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Re: Message is not correctly addressed

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 at 10:29:29 +1100,Ian wrote:
> I am trying to send a message to everyone in an addressbook group. I
> highlight everyone in the group and pick the >> button. This sees the 
> recipient as
>
> AISD (NSW) 
>
> When I try and send the message, The Bat! comes back with the 
> following alert.

It works fine for me - I highlight the group in the address book and
select send message or I open a new message and from the "TO" bar I
select the addressbook and then do as you described above. Both ways
work without an error message.
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Can't connect with TLS but error message seems wrong

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have an account that requires I connect to the POP server using TLS
to the dedicated port (995). It has been working fine for a long time,
but suddenly it won't connect and I get an error message that the
certificate has expired.

However, the account log shows the following:

 12/23/2010, 11:46:28: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 12/23/2010, 11:46:28: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
>12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - Certificate S/N: E866A98DE7ACA3AB, algorithm: 
>RSA (1024 bits), issued from 8/17/2010 11:11:06 AM to 8/17/2011 11:11:06 AM, 
>for 1 host(s): sydmail01.commandhub.net.
>12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - Owner: AU, NSW, Sydney, Commandhub, Operations, 
>sydmail01.commandhub.net, operati...@commadhub.com.
>12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - Root: AU, NSW, Sydney, Commandhub, Operations, 
>sydmail01.commandhub.net, operati...@commadhub.com
!12/23/2010, 11:46:29: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server 
certificate (This certificate has expired).

which makes it appear that the certificate is still valid.

Needless to say people using Outlook can connect without problems, and
I set up Thunderbird and it connects. I merely had to accept that it
was a self-signed certificate (so the root was not trusted
automatically).

The people that run the server cannot see a problem.

My laptop clock is correct.

The only possible (long shot) source of a problem is that about the
time I started experiencing this problem I had updated AVG Free to the
latest version. At the time the problem started I was using AVG's
proxy servers, but even going directly to the POP server the problem
remains.

Has anyone else experienced this?
Does anyone have any ideas of how to get more information about the
problems?

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Re: POPFile help please

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 at 17:01:31 +0300,Costas wrote:
> After changing to Windows 7 from XP and installing POPFile which I use
> to  identify  spam, somehow I cannot find a way to prepend the subject
> of spam messages with the word [spam], which was the case with Windows
> XP.
>
> Does  anybody  know how to do that? Is it a problem with Windows 7 and
> The Bat, or do I just don't know/don't remember how to do it?

Open the Popfile control center, go to the Buckets tab and in the
buckets configuration for your Spam bucket, tick "Subject Header
Modification"

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Re: Time format in message list display

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 at 23:40:02 +0200,Roelof wrote:
RA>> Maybe it would if I had that same menu set up. I go to
RA>> Options > Preferences but then I have Message List > Date/Time Format.
RA>> In  that  there appears to be no way to change from 12 hour to 24 hour
RA>> format.
>
> Actually there is.
> You can set the time date/format with something:  d mmm ","t
> That way you should get the default time format, when you set the time
> like  hh:nn then you can force am/pm by adding the ampm parameter like
> this:   hh:nn   ampm,  that implies that only hh:nn would give you the
> 24 hour format. The ampm  parameter won't work with the t an tt settings

YES! Thank you, that works.

I have no idea why I have to do that since I didn't on my last
installation. Perhaps it has something to do with the operating system
-- Windows 7 64-bit vs Vista 32-bit -- but at least the problem is
solved.

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Re: Time format in message list display

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 at 14:09:06 +0530,MONSELL wrote:
> Hi Mr Robin,
>
>> Anyone got any ideas about this?
>
> Would this help?
>
Options ->> Preferences -> Messages -> Date/Time display
->> Default message time format -> dd-mm-yy" "hh:mm
->> press 'check' button to verify

Maybe it would if I had that same menu set up. I go to
Options > Preferences but then I have Message List > Date/Time Format.
In  that  there appears to be no way to change from 12 hour to 24 hour
format.

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Time format in message list display

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have recently installed TB on a Windows 7 64-bit laptop. Everything
works well, except that the time displayed in the Received and Created
columns in the message list is in a 12 hour format (e.g. 8:11 PM) when
the time format set for my laptop (under Settings > Control Panel >
Regional and Language) is 24 hour format (i.e 20:11).

I have looked for every possible option in the configuration and
options and cannot find any way of changing this. Furthermore, it was
like this when I installed TB, then at some stage changed to the 24
hour format, but now has reverted to the 12 hour format.

Anyone got any ideas about this?

Robin
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Re: Spam

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 21 May 2010 at 20:14:42 -0700,Tim wrote:
>   Just curious but how do you all deal with Spam? Do you have a
>   favorite spam filter that you use with TB. I haven't been able to
>   find anything that has worked that well with TB to control Spam.
>   Thanks in advance for your input!!!

I use a combination of Popfile and the free version of AntispamSniper for TB.

I use Popfile to categorise into a total of 8 different work and personal
categories as well as spam. There have been 3,000 messages classified as spam,
and in that time there have been 34 false positives (classified as spam when
they are not) and 154 false negatives (classified as not spam when they are).

AntispamSniper has classified 5860 messages as spam since Feb 2006 with 116
false positives and, in that time, missed 961 (i.e. false negatives).

So Popfile is significantly more accurate, even when it has to choose between 9
different categories for the messages. 7.7% of messages end up categorised as
spam, which is the 4th largest classification.

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Re:

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 3 May 2010 at 11:18:42 +0200, MAU wrote:
> You have mail :)

Perfect. Thank you

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Macros for TB!

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I use MyMacros v1.11a for TB! I actually only use these macros for a single
function %InputBox which allows a quick template to request input when it runs.

I wanted to make more use of these macros and went to the help file to learn
more about them, but unfortunately when I try to open the help file I get a
message that says:

   "Navigation to the webpage was canceled

  What you can try:
Retype the address. "
 
Which  is not very helpful at all.

I tried downloading a copy of XMP macros, but the help file is only available in
German, and I am unable to understand it.

I followed the link on the Ritlabs web page to the UMX macros, but that appeared
to be a very complex set of macros, and didn't appear to include a way to input
text to my QTs like the %InputBox macro.

So my questions to the list are:
* What is your preferred choice in macros for TB! (and why)
* Does anyone have a working help file for MyMacros v1.11a in English?
* Does anyone know of an English help file for the XMP macros?

Robin
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Re: Changing font for message list

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 at 11:37:06 -0800, Susanne wrote:
> I always seem to have trouble finding where to set the font for the message 
> list, whenever I set up TB new.

That one is not too hard to find (I have problems finding others).
Go to Preferences->Message list and it is at the bottom of the window.

> Also, is it possible to choose a background color for the html messages?

I don't know the answer to that

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Send icon in message editor

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have just upgraded to v4.2. In earlier versions the leftmost icon in
the message editor reflected the setting for delivery type (under
Account properties -> Transport) of immediate or deferred.

However in v 4.2, by default the leftmost icon is the immediate send
icon (albeit with postponed sending options in the dropdown list).
This doesn't change if I set delivery type to be deferred.

Since I am a creature of habit, and I don't like this change, is there
a way to change the behaviour to that of the earlier version?

Robin
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Re: When senders names are separated by commas

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 at 20:38:34 +0400, Assad wrote:
RO>> %To=''%To='"%OFromName" <%OFromAddress>'%
>
>  Thank  you  for your input.  However, I can't get it working.  In
>  my  opinion, since you use %OFromName, I think it will insert the
>  comma  because TB!  considers the comma to be part of the name in
>  the  original  message  but  when sending, it considers it as two
>  addresses.  Correct me if I am wrong here.

But as Roelof pointed out, if the name with the comma in it is enclosed in
quotes (") it will not cause a problem. What he has suggested will do that.
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Re: Microed editor not respecting the "return"

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 at 19:37:22 -0700, AC wrote:
> When I use the Microed editor to write, I press "Enter" to start a new line, 
> but as soon as I start
> typing, the typing continues on the previous line where I had left off. So 
> it's a little
> frustrating.
>
> Some more info. The options I have enable for "Micro-ed specific options are: 
> auto-wrap,
> auto-format, smart tabs, backspace unindents, find text at caret position.

Try turning auto-format off.

If it drives you crazy, try the Windows-compatible editor.

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Re: Attachment list

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 at 14:32:23 +1000, Ian wrote:
> G'day Robin,
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2009, at 1:31:30 PM, you (Robin Anson) wrote:
>
RA>> Create a Quick Template called AttList as follows
>
RA>> %If:"%_FirstTime"="":#%-
RA>> %%_FirstTime="No"%-
RA>> %%If:"%Attachments"="":"%-
RA>> %_":"%-
RA>> %_%-Attachments:
RA>> %_%_Att_List='%Attachments,'%-
RA>> %_%Qinclude(AttList)"#:#%-
RA>> %%If:"%_Att_List"<>"":"%-
RA>> %_%SetPattRegexp='(?i)^(.*?),\s*(.*)$'%-
RA>> %_%RegexpBlindMatch='%_Att_List'%-
RA>> %_%-   * %SubPatt='1'
RA>> %_%_Att_List=%SubPatt='2'%-
RA>> %_%Qinclude(AttList)":"%-
RA>> %_"%-
RA>> %#%-
>
> Unfortunately when using the QT, it crashes The Bat!. It simply shuts 
> down instantly and nothing gets written to the exception log.

That's strange. I just copied and pasted the code from my email into a new
QT and it worked perfectly.

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Re: Attachment list

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 at 03:28:23 +0100, MFPA wrote:
> On Wednesday 8 July 2009 at 2:14:18 AM, in
> , Ian A. White wrote:
>> I use the %ATTACHMENTS macro to list the attachments I
>> send in an  e-mail to make sure that the recipient gets
>> them all, however the  attached filenames all appear on
>> a line wrapped. With filenames  allowed to have spaces,
>> this causes issues with a filename breaking  across
>> more than one line.
>
>> Is there any way to list the attachments one per line
>> with the  %ATTACHMENTS macro?
>
> Yes. Try   http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html and look
> for "Attachments Listing"
>
> Be sure to follow version 2 instructions.

It doesn't seem to be responding, but I use the following, which I think I
took from the TB Library.

Create a Quick Template called AttList as follows

%If:"%_FirstTime"="":#%-
%%_FirstTime="No"%-
%%If:"%Attachments"="":"%-
%_":"%-
%_%-Attachments:
%_%_Att_List='%Attachments,'%-
%_%Qinclude(AttList)"#:#%-
%%If:"%_Att_List"<>"":"%-
%_%SetPattRegexp='(?i)^(.*?),\s*(.*)$'%-
%_%RegexpBlindMatch='%_Att_List'%-
%_%-   * %SubPatt='1'
%_%_Att_List=%SubPatt='2'%-
%_%Qinclude(AttList)":"%-
%_"%-
%#%-

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Re: Headers and hyphens

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 at 11:16:47 +0100, Privateofcourse wrote:
>  Is there some particular way to use a hyphen in a new TB! header?
>
>  If you want to add, for example, 'X-Newheader' to your message headers, and
>  you use %HDRX-Newheader with a value of "string=n" in your template, you'd
>  add the following, right?
>
>  %HDRX-Newheader="string=n"

No, you need to use the macro %Setheader.("X-Newheader","string=n"). The
syntax you tried does not accept special characters (including "-")

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Re: Inline Filtering

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 at 23:30:26 +1000, Mr Happy wrote:
> Right, I think I've worked out how to reproduce it. If I highlight the
> message that will be shown when I use the filter, when I use the
> filter, the 'no message loaded' does not appear (ie it works fine).
> However, if I highlight the message above the message that will be
> shown when filtered, and then use the filter, when the filtered
> message is shown, the 'no message loaded' does appear (ie it doesn't
> work).
>
> I'm not sure why you guys can't replicate it - I've had this bug on
> every single PC I've ever used The Bat on (it's always driven me nuts,
> it's just that I've never complained about it before).

I'm slightly confused - are you talking about using the Quick Search
toolbar? That seems to be the context of your original problem. If that is
the case then I am unable to reproduce the example you have described above.

However,  MFPA   wrote:
>>Works OK here using v4.0.38 on Windows XP. I just searched for
>>messages where header contains <753412370.20090621220...@otten.tv>,
>>which is the message-id of Roelof's post I'm replying to. Obviously it
>>only found one. When I select that one by clicking on it, the "no
>>message loaded" in the preview pane is replaced by the message text.
and that can't be done using the Quick Search toolbar - I think it only
looks in the TO, FROM and SUBJECT fields and it doesn't look in the message-id
header field.

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Re: Setting sending to default to adelay

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 at 10:43:34 +0100, MFPA wrote:> Hi
> I just googled "Postpone macro the bat" and found
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbb...@thebat.dutaint.com/msg98821.html
> in which Marek Mikus says:-

<...snip...>

>> plus 2 day, 2 hours and 3 minutes
>>
>> %POSTPONE="1d 2h 3m"

You'd reckon that would be _1_ day, 2 hours and 3 minutes . . . or is there
something strange about the way the Ritlabs staff count days?

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Re: Problem with %HDR macro

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 at 19:21:27 -0500, Dwight wrote:> On Saturday, June 13, 
2009, 2:54:10 PM, Marek Mikus wrote:
> SETHEADER  works here on XP, but not on Vista. and yes, the syntax is
> the same on both machines.

Works on Vista for me - exactly the same syntax as I had running until
recently on XP.

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Re: anti-SPAM solutions

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 at 15:22:48 +0100, Privateofcourse wrote:> Hello TBUDL,
>  I've done a bit of leg work, but it seems to me that the majority of
>  so-called 'SPAM blocker/stopper' solutions don't and can't really do
>  anything other than allow you to manage SPAM after-the-fact. That is, SPAM
>  isn't actually blocked or stopped at all, but is managed after it has been
>  received.

I wouldn't use something that stopped or blocked SPAM for me. I don't trust
anyone else to make the decision about whether something is SPAM because I
have seen a small number, but that is too many, of emails incorrectly
classified as SPAM.

However I use a combination of Popfile and Antispam Sniper for the Bat Free.
Either by itself is very good, the combination is excellent.
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Re: Account tree at start up

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 30 May 2009 at 20:26:44 +0100, Privateofcourse wrote:
>
> This is what you said on Sat, 30 May 2009 17:15:05 +0200 your time:
>
>> yep, look at %APPDATA%\The Bat!\FolderTabs.CDB
>
> I've got my message base and the TB! installation folder on a TrueCrypt
> volume so the %APPDATA% folder was empty, nothing in it re RIT or TB!
> However, I found the file under my TB! message base, and backed it up before
> deleting it.
>
> Deleting the file did not have any effect on TB! remembering the last
> expanded account.

My experience was slightly different.

Like you, I found the FolderTabs.CDB file in my message base. I closed TB!
and renamed the file. When I opened TB! all accounts appeared with one level
of folders expanded.The FolderTabs.CDB file was automatically recreated (not
sure if it was on opening TB! or on subsequently closing it. Since then, all
accounts have been behaving as desired, i.e. they all remember the previous
state and reopen that way.

So for me the problem is now resolved.

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Re: Account tree at start up

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 27 May 2009 at 10:51:10 +0100, Eric wrote:> On Wed, 27 May 2009 
08:08:03 +0200 GMT(27/05/2009, 07:08 + GMT), Peter Fjelsten wrote:
PF>> TB has a bug to the effect that the first (topmost)
PF>> account is always expanded and any user setting is not
PF>> remembered.
>
> In my case, however, it's not the first account on the
> list but the second one down which opens expanded.

It is my first account, so I thought I would reorder my accounts and see
whether moving my first account to second position would change things. The
non-remembering still applies to the same account, which is now in second
position.
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Re: Account tree at start up

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 27 May 2009 at 12:24:46 +0200, Volker wrote:> [Reply to: »Eric« · 
2009-05-27 · 11:51 h (CET)]
> This issue already was a topic on the The Bat! Beta Mailing List, see
> the thread starting with .
>
> 

In that thread there was mention of saving settings in Program Files not in
the User's Data directory under Vista. I think mine are saved in the User's
Data directory, but how can I check this?

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Account tree at start up

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I have 6 accounts in TB. When I start the program 5 of them show the same
layout of folders as when I closed the account. That is, if the account was
collapsed showing no folders at all, that is how it opens up. Similarly, if
the account was expanded showing all the folders and subfolders, then when
TB starts up, that is what it shows.

However one of my accounts always opens up with all the first level folders
displayed and one of those folders expanded showing the next level of
subfolders. It does that no matter what it looked like when I closed it.

Can anyone suggest why that might be the case??

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Adding additional addresses automatically (was: Re: Reply not finding Reply Template (solved, I think))

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 05:35:13 -0400, Leonard wrote:> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 
7:39 PM, MAU  wrote:
> My point is that I want to send the e-mail to _both_ addresses. If I
> have two or more addresses on the same line addresses on the same
> line, I will be able to do that, but then the reply template will not
> be picked up because the address in the address book, by definition
> does not match the address in the incoming e-mail. So, to get the best
> of all worlds, I need two (or more) address entries; to send mail to
> both (or all of this person's addresses, I have to select each of
> them. (I think we are beginning to go around in circles on this
> thread.)

This was one reason I made use of the memo field to store secondary email
addresses. Miguel hates this because it relies heavily on regular
expressions, but if you have a bit of patience you might like to try it.

Firstly include the line:

%QInclude(Add_CC)%-

in your New Message, Reply and Forward templates for your accounts.


Then in your address book entry include one email address in the usual
place and include the second email address in the memo field (on the
"Other" tab) in this form on a line by itself:

per...@otherdomain.com

It doesn't have to be the only information in the memo tab, just by itself
on one line.


Then you need to set up the following quick templates. There are 4 of them,
and you need them all. They call one another in a chain and the effect is to
look for secondary addresses like the one above and automatically add them
in the CC field. If you were to put the address between BCC tags like this:
per...@otherdomain.com
the address would be added to the BCC field.

If there are multiple recipients in the TO or CC fields, the macros will do
this for each person.

Copy and paste the contents between the marked Start and End lines. Please
make sure that long lines do not get wrapped in the Quick Template editor.

The first macro is called "Add_CC" (without the quotes of course).

[ Start Add_CC ]
%REM="
   Include secondary addresses noted in memo field between  or  tags.
   A token is identified by a line of the form:
   XXX
   or
   XXX

Usage:
   %QInclude(Add_CC)

   Written by Robin Anson 4 Dec 2005
   updated to include BCC 3 Sep 2008
  
"%-
%-
%REM="
   %_AddCC_List stores the original list of recipients
   %_AddCC_Temp stores the list of recipients yet to be processed
   %_AddCC_CC stores the CC list
"%-
%-
%rem=^   Initialise variables ^%-
%_AddCC_Done="yes"%-
%_AddCC_List="%ToList"%-
%_AddCC_Temp="%_AddCC_List, %CCList"%-
%_AddCC_CC="%CCList"%-
%_AddCC_BCC=""%-
%CC=""%-
%BCC=""%-
%-
%_FTT_Status="0"%-
%QInclude(FindTknType0,"%_AddCC_Temp","CC","%_AddCC_CC")%-
%CC="%_FindTkn_Text"%-
%_FTT_Status="0"%-
%QInclude(FindTknType0,"%_AddCC_Temp","BCC","%_AddCC_BCC")%-
%BCC="%_FindTkn_Text"%-
%SetHeader("To","%_AddCC_List")%-
=[ End Add_CC ]=

The next is "FindTknType0"

[ Start FindTknType0 ]
%Rem='

FindTokenType0 returns a list of values of a single token from an XML
style entry in the memo fields of a list of address book entries.
 
The list contains the value for that token if it exists for each address
in the address list

Usage:
   %_FTT_Status="0"
   %QInclude(FindTknType0,"Address_list","Token","start_value")

Returns:
   %_FindTkn_Text
   
'%-
%_FT_AL="%_1"%-
%_FT_Token="%_2"%-
%_FT_start="%_3"%-
%If:|%_FT_AL|<>||%-
:|%If:"%_FTT_Status"="0"%-
:"%_FT_AlHold='%_1'%-
%_FTT_Status='1'%-
%_FindTkn_Text='%_FT_start'"%-
:""%-
%QInclude(ParseAddressList,"%_FT_AL")%-
%SetHeader("To","%_FirstAddress")%-
%_FT_AL="%_RemainingAddressList"%-
%_FT_TmpTxt="%QInclude(Get_Memo_Attribute,'%_FT_Token','%_FT_default')"%-
%If:^%_FT_TmpTxt^<>^^%-
:^%If:+%_FindTkn_Text+=++%-
:+%_FindTkn_Text='%_FT_TmpTxt'+%-
:+%If:/%SetPattRegexp='%_FT_TmpTxt'%RegexpMatch='%_FindTkn_Text'/=//%-
:/%_FindTkn_Text='%_FindTkn_Text, %_FT_TmpTxt'/://+^%-
:^^%-
%QInclude(FindTknType0,'%_FT_AL','%_FT_Token','%_FT_start')|%-
:||%-
=[ End FindTknType0 ]=

The third is "ParseAddressList"

[ Start ParseAddressList ]
%Rem=^

Usage:
   %QInclude(ParseAddressList,"")

Returns:
   %_FirstAddress: first address from the list
   %_RemainingAddressList: address list without the first

^%-
%-
%_FirstAddress=""%-
%_RemainingAddressList=""%-
%If:'%_1'<>''%-
:'%setpattregexp=#^((?(?="

Re: OT: storing new data entities

[Robin Anson]

This is OT for TBBETA, so I have copied it to TBUDL and TBOT too.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 at 11:21:47 +0100, Volker wrote:
>> I have found that it's relatively easy to set up macros to use the
>> Memo field to hold all sorts of useful information like that.
> 
> Hey, that sounds good to me! :-)
> 
>> For instance I use the following structure in a Memo field:
> 
>>Joe
>>Kind regards
>>Jack Black
>>read delivery
>>jsm...@yahoo.com
>>trevor.tur...@company.com.au
> 
> How would such a macro look like? – Thanks in advance.

As Miguel suggested, it relies on regex. So perhaps "relatively easy"
depends upon your desire to play around with regex!

The basic macro is very similar to the one that Maurice showed in
mid:1974229872.20090304125...@hypercube.demon.nl

The macro I use to extract the information from the memo field is

 [ Macro: Get_Memo_Attribute ] 
%Rem='

Usage:
   =%QInclude(Get_Memo_Attribute,"Tag","Default_Value")

This will return the value from a line in the address book memo field
that looks like this:
   value

Or the "Default_Value" if no such line exists

'%-
%If:'%SetPattRegExp="(?im)^<%_1"%RegExpMatch="%ABToMemo"'='':'%_2'%-
:'%If:+%SetPattRegExp="(?im)^(<%_1/>)"%RegExpMatch="%ABToMemo"+<>++:++%-
:+%SetPattRegExp="(?im)^(?:<%_1>)(.*?)(?:)"%RegExpMatch="%ABToMemo"+'%-
 [ End Macro ]

I use this in a set of more complex macros that specify what information to
retrieve (by identifying the tag) and, if necessary, identifying a default
value so that I can deal with the case of no value being set.

The main complexity is that I have created macros that cater for a list of
multiple recipients. The macros will parse the list of recipients and
extract the attribute from each recipient's memo field and then take action
depending upon how many recipients have a value in the attribute, how many
different values there are, etc.

For instance, if one of the multiple recipients has a read or delivery
receipt set, it is applied to the message using this macro which recursively
processes each address in the recipient list.

 [ Macro: SetReceipts ] 
%REM=^%-

Set read or delivery receipt notification flags if the
recipient's addressbook memo entry contains an attribute with the tag
 with the value "read" or "delivery" respectively

^%-
%-
%REM="%-
%_SR_Text stores the original list of recipients
%_SR_Temp stores the list of recipients yet to be processed
%_RR_Flag is set to 1 if read receipt required
%_DR_Flag is set to 1 if delivery receipt required
"%-
%-
%If:#%_SR_FirstTime#=##%-
:#%-
%_SR_FirstTime="No"%-
%_SR_Text="%ToList"%-
%_SR_Temp="%_SR_Text"%-
%_RR_Flag="no"%-
%_DR_Flag="no"%-
%QInclude(SetReceipts)#%-
:#%-
%-
%REM="*** Parse the Recipient List ***"%-
%-
%If:'%setpattregexp="@"%-
%regexpmatch="%_SR_Temp"'<>''%-
:'%setpattregexp="(?i)^((?:.*?)@(?:.*?))(?:,|;)\s*(.*)?"%-
%regexpblindmatch="%_SR_Temp,"%-
%SetHeader(+To+,+%subpatt="1"+)%-
%_SR_Temp=+%Subpatt="2"+%-
%-
%-
%REM=" *** Get the receipt attribute *** "%-
%-
%_MemoAttribute=+%QInclude(Get_Memo_Attribute,"receipts","")+%-
%_RR_Flag=%If:+%SetPattRegExp="(?im).*Read"%RegExpMatch=%_MemoAttribute+<>++:+yes+:+%_RR_Flag+%-
%_DR_Flag=%If:+%SetPattRegExp="(?im).*Delivery"%RegExpMatch=%_MemoAttribute+<>++:+yes+:+%_DR_Flag+%-
%QInclude(SetReceipts)'%-
:'%-
%If:"%_RR_Flag"="yes":"%ReadConfirm":"%NoReadConfirm"%-
%If:"%_DR_Flag"="yes":"%RcptConfirm":"%NoRcptConfirm"%-
%SetHeader("To","%_SR_Text")#%-
 [ End Macro ]

Other macros I use set the name(s) in the greeting at the top  of  the
message, choose the sig used at the end of the message, allow me to
automatically add CC or BCC addresses, etc
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Re: HTML Reply template not working

[Robin Anson]

> From: %OFromName <%OFromAddr>
> Sent: %OHeader('Date')
> To: %OToList
> %IF:"%OCcList"="" : "" : "Cc: %OCcList
> Subject: %OSubject
>
> %Quotes
>
> This   works   fine   for   messages   with   a  cc, however when the
> template is used to reply to a message without a cc then processing of
> the macros's stops immediately before the subject. Entering the normal
> %-   doesn't  seem to have any effect. Do you know how I could make it
> continue to process after the %IF macro?

You are missing a final " at the end of the %IF line

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Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 at 10:25:53 +1100, Ian wrote:> G'day,

> Is there any simple way to move a QT specific to an account to a 
> Common QT as you can do with account and common filters?

Wouldn't you just tick the box that says "Share with other accounts"? I have
that for most of my QTs because I use them with all accounts.

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Re: System error message after running for a long while

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 at 14:18:36 +0100, MAU wrote:> Hello Robin,
>
>> After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
>> error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
>> reboot the system works perfectly well again.
>>
>> !18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not enough
>> storage is available to process this command
>>
>> It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
>> (although I cannot guarantee that).
>>
>> Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?
>
> The error text seems to suggest that you may be running out of disk 
> space. Have you checked this recently?

No, I have 21 GB of free space on the system drive and 51 GB of free space
on my data drive.

> Have you 'cleaned' your 'temp' folder recently?

It gets cleaned at boot up, so there is not much accumulating in it.
Furthermore if I reboot TB! the problem goes away and that doesn't change
the temp folder.

It seems more like a memory leak or some sort of internal space problem, but
TB! doesn't seem to be using a lot of memory (at least not based on the
Windows Task Manager Mem Usage figure.

> Can't think of anything else.

Nor can I. But thanks for the thoughts.
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System error message after running for a long while

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

After TB! has been running for more than about 10 hours, I get the following
error message when it tries to connect to any of my POP accounts. After a
reboot the system works perfectly well again.

!18/12/2008, 17:55:49: FETCH - System Error.  Code: 8.  Not enough storage is 
available to process this command

It does not seem to have always been present with this version of TB!
(although I cannot guarantee that).

Anyone else seen this? Any ideas about fixing it?



Robin
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Skinning TB!

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

Can anyone point me to instructions on reworking the icons for TB!? I have a
file of customised icons, and some time back created a batskin.xml file to
modify the look of the interface. But I really don't know what I am doing
with any of it and would like to do a better job of it.

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Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 at 13:48:04 +0300, Stefan wrote:
> Hello Bob,
>
> If you don't do any fine-tune, you should get TB! working good and
> fast with GMail's IMAP. At least, it works this way here.
> Synchronisation settings should be used only if you want to stay
> offline for a while or want TB! to prefetch some data before you start
> reading it. Generally, I would not recommend any synchronisation if
> you have almost permanent connection to the Net.

Hmm, I don't think that I really understand what synchronising and
subscribing mean in relation to IMAP. Can you explain it, or point to a web
resource that does So

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Re: Groups

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 at 00:23:34 +1000, Mr wrote:> Hi everyone,
>
> I want to setup a distribution list for some of the people I have in
> my address book. Problem is, when I create a group in the Bat and move
> the people into it, their entries are removed from the root level of
> the address book. What this means is that if I want to send an email
> to a person individually, there is an extra click - I first have to
> open the address book and then instead of just double clicking on
> their entry, I have to first open the group and then double click on
> their entry. Is there another way to do this, or is there a way to
> have a person in both a group and the root of the address book at the
> same time?

Go to the group, right click and select properties, untick the item labelled
"Hide items if not explicitly selected". The contents of the group will
appear back in the root of the address book.
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Re: Search System for TheBat!

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 at 21:09:41 +0100, Barry wrote:> On 06/07/2008 20:51:12, 
Jens Franik wrote:
>
>> And the Price is 30,- to 45,- Euro - did you forget to mention this?
>
> For me I was very happy to pay what I considered a fair price after trialling
> the program for free.
>
> After all it works as described, there's plenty of paid for software out
> there that doesn't deliver.

Yes, I agree with you Barry. I tried this one after having tried a number of
the free search tools for my computer, and ended up deciding it was worth
paying for.

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Re: Changing unread color

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 at 07:06:18 -0400, Bob wrote:> My unread message line text 
is blue. I surmise this comes from the theme.
> I would like to make it a color that stands out more,like red. Can't find the 
> option.

I depends a bit on your version, but try Options -> Preferences -> Colour
Groups & Font and then modify the default (generic) colour group.
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Re: Sorting Office question

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 28 May 2008 at 20:18:11 +0200, Roelof wrote:> Hallo Tim,
> You've enabled 'continue processing...' in order to enable the
> filtering with suhfilters, is that it? You don't have to, as
>
A cliff-hanger ending! You have to wait for the next episode for the
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Re: Accessing the alternate addresses

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 22 May 2008 at 10:50:03 -0500, Nick wrote:> Is there some way to access 
the additional addresses you may have for
> someone listed in their contact info? I understand the top address is
> the default, but I can't find any method to get to the other
> addresses other than going to the contact page and then copy & paste
> the darn thing into a new message.
>
> Seems there must be an easier solution.

See the thread on cycling through auto-complete recipients 

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Re: Cycle Through Auto-Complete Recipients?

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 08:03:15 +1000, Robin wrote:> On Thu, 22 May 2008 at 
14:53:11 -0400, Dave wrote:> On Thursday, May 22, 2008, Nick Dutton wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply, Nick. Unfortunately the Ctl-+ (where the "+" is
>> the numeric keypad "+") does nothing here. I've tried just about every
>> combination I can think of to no avail.  :(
>
> It may have something to do with your autocomplete setting. In your
> version of TB! I think it is found under Options -> Preferences ->
> System. Do you have address books in autocomplete?
>
> I would test it on my system, but I have lost the location of the
> autocomplete setting. Or rather Ritlabs moved it, and I can't find it
> any more. Anyone know where it went?

Oops. Now I have found it, and also realise that the above location is
also wrong for v3.99. I actually searched the archives and found a
response from Marek Mikus to Dave Goodman back in March 2006 that
pointed to autocomplete at

> "Options | Preferences | Message headers" where click to header and select
> "Edit"

Not really intuitive, but it gives you more functionality as a
compromise.

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Re: Cycle Through Auto-Complete Recipients?

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 22 May 2008 at 14:53:11 -0400, Dave wrote:> On Thursday, May 22, 2008, 
Nick Dutton wrote:
> Thanks for your reply, Nick. Unfortunately the Ctl-+ (where the "+" is
> the numeric keypad "+") does nothing here. I've tried just about every
> combination I can think of to no avail.  :(

It may have something to do with your autocomplete setting. In your
version of TB! I think it is found under Options -> Preferences ->
System. Do you have address books in autocomplete?

I would test it on my system, but I have lost the location of the
autocomplete setting. Or rather Ritlabs moved it, and I can't find it
any more. Anyone know where it went?

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Re: Cycle Through Auto-Complete Recipients?

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 19 May 2008 at 15:46:24 +0100, Nick wrote:> Hello,
> I'm OK with most of them, but there's a tip here:
> http://email.about.com/cs/thebattips/qt/et083101.htm
> - How to Cycle Through Auto-Complete Recipients in The Bat!
>
> Apparently this can be achieved with the + combination.
>
> It doesn't work here, can anyone help me find it?

Seems to be the "+" on the numeric keypad only that works with this.

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Re: Synchronization revisited (gmail/imap/pop)

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 at 14:39:46 -0500, Achdut18 wrote:> OK.  I just tried to 
reset the protocol for this acccount from POP3
> to IMAP4. However, the Bat produced an error message that said: 
> "Cannot change protocol to IMAP4. Create a new account instead."
>
> Well, I don't want to create a new account. This account is
> subscribed to over a half a dozen listservs.  If I have to change
> the account, that means rejoining each of these listervs, changing
> filters, etc. Is there an easier way to do this?

You don't need to change your listserv because your email address
remains the same. It's just that you create a new account in TB! to
access the email.

You will need to modify your filters though.

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http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Toolbars

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 at 12:11:19 +0100, Roelof wrote:
PJ>> I am unable to put any toolbars above the
PJ>> folder tree or preview pane.  How can I reset the toolbar positions?
>
> You can do that by deleting the tbuser.def file in the mail
> directory. (That's the tbuser.eef file when using otfe.) I must say
> that that's a rather unsatisfactory solution as that deletes all your
> customisations. 

I am having similar sorts of problems, and that one made no
difference at all for me.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.18
  Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
  Popfile v0.22.4




Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Top-level folder has disappeared.

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 at 14:21:39 +0100, MAU wrote:> Hello Hans,
> I have seen this happen before myself and, as far as I know, these
> 'reappeared' folders are 'leftovers' from the past. There were some 
> buggy versions of TB that, even selecting 'Wipe' option when deleting a
> folder, would delete the contents but not the folder itself. At least 
> that is my experience.

I used to run the TB plugin for Google desktop, and it left some sort
of an index file in the folder on the disk. So when I told TB to wipe
a TB folder and remove it from the disk, it couldn't because the
folder on disk was not empty.A subsequent CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-L would
find that empty folder.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.14
  Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
  Popfile v0.22.4




Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Can't add words to the spell check dictionary

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 at 02:49:35 +0100, MAU wrote:> Hello Robin,
> I see in your signature you are using v4.0.14, correct? We are 
> currently testing 4.0.14.3, the third 'post release' (or Beta if you 
> wish) after 4.0.14 and there have been some tweaking and improvements 
> in spell checking and I think this has been corrected.

Ah well, I will just work with the American English dictionary for a
while until an updated version is released.

Thanks Miguel
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Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.14
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  Popfile v0.22.4




Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Can't add words to the spell check dictionary

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 at 13:51:05 +0100, MAU wrote:> Hello Robin,
>
> 
>> Anyone else experience this problem? Or have any ideas how to resolve
>> it?
>
> When you right click on a word you want to add and if you select 
> 'Dictionary to add to', does any of the user dictionaries appear as 
> selected (i.e. with a check mark on the left)?

Yes, it does. There are 4 dictionaries listed (accent.tlx,
correct.tlx, Ssceam.tlx and UserDic.tlx). When I open a new message,
it always defaults to accent.tlx, although setting it to UserDic
seems to stick while a message is open.

However, despite this, when I try to add a word to the dictionary,
the  word is still noted as misspelt, although now that I look
at the dictionary, the word has been added.

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Using The Bat! v4.0.14
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Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Can't add words to the spell check dictionary

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I am having a problem adding words to the spell checker dictionary.
It works fine as long as I have American English selected as the
language, and it works if I have both American and British English
selected, but not if I have only British English selected.

I also note that the default dictionary to add word to is accent.tlx
rather than userdic.tlx which is, I believe, the one that should be
used.

I am using the SSCE spell checker. I have no idea how to use either
or the other options since I can't find any information about them,
so I can't test to see whether the problem extends to these.

Anyone else experience this problem? Or have any ideas how to resolve
it?

Robin
-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.14
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  Popfile v0.22.4



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Hunspell spell checker

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I notice on the beta list discussion about the Hunspell spell
checker. I also notice that the this latest released version of TB
installs a hunspell.dll file in my program directory.

However, needless to say, there is nothing about it in the help files.

Can anyone tell me what it means?

Robin
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Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.14
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  Popfile v0.22.4



Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Time Zone Conversion Error?

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 at 10:16:31 GMT, Barry wrote:> On 12/02/2008 09:43:46, 
Robin Anson wrote:
>
>> It is a function of TB, but it looks from the above as though it is
>> not correctly formatted in the original message itself. To check,
>> highlight the message and then press CTRL-SHIFT-K to show the
>> headers. Then find the header that starts with "Date:",  copy the
>> entire line and paste in an email for us to see.  The format should be
>> Date: DDD, DD MMM  HH:mm:ss ZZZ
>
> Date: 11-Feb-2008 15:42:09 CET
>
> So how does this compare with your template?

It should read something like:
Date: 11 Feb 2008 15:42:09 CET

A more complete specification for the date syntax can be found in RFC 2822 (the 
Internet
message format standard). In summary, it allows for:
   * optional day-of-the-week (3 character) followed by a comma
   * 1 or 2 digit day number
   * 3 character month name
   * 4 digit year (although it allows for the obsolete 2 digit year
  form)
   * 2 digits each of hour, minute and seconds, separated by ":"
   * Timezone expressed as + or - followed by 4 digits (although it
  allows for a range of obsolete codes including 3 character
  codes like CET)

What it doesn't permit is the "-" between the date elements that you
have identified above.

>> If the problem is an incorrect format, you can export the file to a
>> unix mailbox format, edit the format to correct it and then re-import
>> the message. If you are more daring you could edit the messages.tbb
>> file in the appropriate mail folder directly, but that is more risky.
>
> I don't really want to be messing about editing incoming emails, if the
> conversion is an error with the sender's data, then I'll inform them.

It seems to be

> On the other hand if the problem is with TheBat! then it needs
> reporting as a bug, I guess?

It seems not to be


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Using The Bat! v4.0.11
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Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Time Zone Conversion Error?

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 at 09:26:28 GMT, Barry wrote:> Hi all
> I'm trying to figure whether the 'Created' date conversion from one time zone
> to the other is a Bat problem. This is the Created Date field data:
>
> 14 January 2000, 23:09:00  (11-Feb-2008 15:42:09 CET)
>
> I'm assuming that the email is created in the CET time zone, hence the date
> in brackets, and that the date shown as "14 January 2000, 23:09:00" is the
> date converted to my time zone, which should be GMT.
>
> Is this a function of Windows, TheBat! or a bit of both?

It is a function of TB, but it looks from the above as though it is
not correctly formatted in the original message itself. To check,
highlight the message and then press CTRL-SHIFT-K to show the
headers. Then find the header that starts with "Date:",  copy the
entire line and paste in an email for us to see.  The format should be
Date: DDD, DD MMM  HH:mm:ss ZZZ

For instance, in your email the header says
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:26:28 GMT

> How do I get it to show the correct date?

If the problem is an incorrect format, you can export the file to a
unix mailbox format, edit the format to correct it and then re-import
the message. If you are more daring you could edit the messages.tbb
file in the appropriate mail folder directly, but that is more risky.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.11
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  Popfile v0.22.4




Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: TNEF support, how does it work?

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 at 23:39:25 +0100, MAU wrote:> Hello Gerard,
>
>> I was pleased to see the inclusion of TNEF support for those nasty
>> winmail.dat files.
>>
>> I just installed 4.0.11 and sailed to a folder full of these
>> attachments only to find I still cant do anything with them in TB. As
>> ussual the help file or the website don't provide a clue on how to
>> use/activate.
>>
>> Anyone here that figured it out?
>
> You don't need to do anything. Although the winmail.dat is still shown
> as an attachment, its contents is displayed in the message pane. You 
> can verify that if you open the winmail.dat attachment with Winmail 
> Opener (http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/)

Funny, I tried looking at a file that had a winmail.dat attachment,
and TB doesn't show it. Winmail Opener works fine on it.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.11
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Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: missing attachments

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 at 10:53:54 -0500, Peter wrote:>
>   For some reasons I cannot add attachments to my e-mail. When I copy an
>   attachment from a file it shows up as usual on the side bar, but the file
>size is 20-25 KB instead of the usual 100-300Kb. Then it changes to 0 KB
>soon and when I want to send I get a message:
>
>  Cannot open file "The system cannot find the path specified."
>
>  I tried MicroEd, Windows plain and HTML format with the same result.

You are using a beta version of TB, you should probably take this to
the TBBeta list

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.11
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Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Upgrade to v4.0.11?

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 at 20:20:19 -0600, Greg wrote:> Hello Thomas,
> I've already installed. I want to buy the upgrade license. Can I
> purchase the upgrade license without being a returning customer at
> CIFNet authorization per https://www.cifnet.com/ritlabs/order.php ?

If you had a licensed copy of v3.x, it is still good for V4.0.x. There
is no need for a separate licence.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.11
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Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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What's with the version 4 updates?

[Robin Anson]

Batfolk, 

I started this morning installing version 4.0.0.2, and now I have
just downloaded and installed 4.0.11, going via 4.0.7 and 4.0.9 on
the way.

Anyone know what the updates have been about?

Robin
-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.11
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  Popfile v0.22.4



Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Best 3.x Version?

[Robin Anson]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 at 12:51:52 +0100, Martin wrote:> Hello Tbudl,
> As I am currently not brave enough (and neither have the time nor the
> need to upgrade to 4.x) I would simply like to install the latest and
> best 3.x version and live happily with it for the next years.

I found 3.99.29 to be pretty good. There were no bugs in it that
affected me.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.0.9
  Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
  Popfile v0.22.4




Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Which spam filter for The Bat?

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 at 08:03:35 +0200, Costas wrote:
> One of my email addresses has recently started being flooded by
> spam. I wonder which spam filtering program you would recommend for me to use 
> with The Bat.

I have used Popfile for several years very satisfactorily, but I use
it for more than just classifying spam/not spam, I use it to classify
mail into multiple work and personal categories.

I also use Antispamsniper for The Bat as a backup program, although in
relation to spam it usually exactly matches Popfile.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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  Popfile v0.22.4




Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Address book and New Message Template

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 at 17:24:00 -0500, Maggie wrote:
MP>> Could it be you have more than one entry for them in your AB?
>
> I have an additional entry for him alone and for her alone both with their 
> own handles.

I have a suspicion that when called from the main screen, TB! just
looks for the first entry in the address book with the particular
email address. So if all 3 entries have the same email address,
although you call the joint entry by nickname, it still goes back and
finds Joe's solitary entry when looking for the template to use.

Try changing the email address (temporarily) in the address book entry
for him alone, and creating an email from the main screen. If it then
goes to the AB template from the joint entry (or even the one for Sue
alone) it will prove this to be the case.

-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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Re: Check for Viruses

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 at 10:53:17 +0100, Fredrik wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:02:33 +0200 GMT, Eddie wrote:
>
>>> I think that the plugin is / can be installed by the AVG
>>> Professional setup package. You should be able to run the setup
>>> package again if you already have installed AVG to modify your
>>> installation and select the plugin.

>> Thank you Fredrik. Do I understand this right, that I need to have AVG
>> Pro in order to us the TB!plugin? Or can I just use it without the
>> whole package?
>
>   It seems that you need AVG Pro fully installed to use the plugin.
>
>   The plugin does not seem to be included in the AVG Free package
>   either.

No, that is not correct. I am running AVG Free and under the Email
Scanner there is an option for "AVG Free Edition Plugin for The Bat!"

However, I also notice that it is greyed out in the Folder menu.
-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Attachments question

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 at 19:56:11 -0600, Christopher wrote:
>> Also, there is an option to "bind attachments only when sending out
>> mail". What does this mean?
>
> If unchecked, right before the message is sent, The Bat! will open the
> attached file and encode it. Any changes you make between attaching
> the file and sending it WILL be sent. If checked, The Bat! will encode
> the file the moment you attach the file. Any changes you make between
> attaching the file and sending it WILL NOT be sent.

Actually the other way around! If you check it, the version of the
file that is current when you send the email is attached. If it
is not checked, the version of the file that is current when the email
was written is attached.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: testing pgp/mime

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 at 03:57:33 +0100, Henk wrote:
>> I get an invalid signature and an unknown signature format here.
>
> Something went wrong, but I think I have found the solution?

No, I get the same result. However I was using the internal support
(RFC-1991). When I searched out my copy of PGP 8.1 and installed that,
the signature verified okay.

-- 
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Re: testing pgp/mime

[Robin Anson]

Henk

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 at 09:04:12 +0100, Henk wrote:
> testing pgp/mime

I get an invalid signature and an unknown signature format here.

-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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Re: Wrong time-stamp on mail received.

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 at 12:50:51 +, Doug wrote:
> Other than that, I don't think I have a way to fix the past problem, except I 
> have
> changed sorting to creation date.

You can export those emails to a Unix mailbox format and then edit the
date on the first line of each email. This line starts with the word
"From" but is not followed by a colon, then has the sender and the
received date and time. If edit the date and time and then re-import
the messages, it will fix the problem.

-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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Re: Outbound Problem

[Robin Anson]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 at 10:25:10 -0400, Dave wrote:
> I've had an intermittent ongoing problem for the past several months.
>
> When sending email it quite properly goes to the outbox and an attempt
> is made to connect to the smtp server, but after some time the attempt
> aborts with the error message "Could not connect to the server", which
> is also shown in the account log. This happens to outbounds on all of my
> three different accounts.

I have experienced something similar recently, but only once.
Interestingly it only happened on one account, the other two accounts
could send perfectly well. However all accounts use the same SMTP
server!

> I've enabled protocol logging, but since there is no connection and
> hence no protocol exchange, the protocol log remains empty. The smtp
> settings in TB! seem to be correct, and have not changed in several
> years.

Same here.

> The problem is intermittent; sometimes a message will be sent and the
> next message, a few seconds later, hangs. Once a message hangs, it hangs
> indefinitely. Restarting TB! is no help. And while the TB! outbound is
> hanging, other internet connections work normally.

There my experience was different. When I shut down my laptop and
rebooted it some time later, the message was sent.

> Any thoughts would be appreciated...

Nothing that suggests a solution I'm afraid.

-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.25
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Re: Replying Messages that come to different accounts, from different accounts and a note of thanks to Mr Robin Anson

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 at 11:30:30 +0530, Monsell wrote:
> is there a way to overcome this situation and get the REPLY-TO field
> automatically configured to indicate the account email id from which
> the message is sent out?

I suspect the simplest way is not to configure the REPLY-TO field at
all. It is only needed if the REPLY-TO is different to the FROM
address. If they are the same, then leave the REPLY-TO blank in each
of the account properties configurations.

-- 
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Re: Block sender?

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 at 21:41:58 +0700, Thomas wrote:
QS>>   Does TB! offer a means to block individual senders temporarily
QS>>   and/or permanently?
>
> Yes. There are two ways:
>
> 1. Create an Incoming filter which will move his messages to Trash and
> mark them as read.

You could create an "IGNORE" group in your address book and set a
filter condition of "Address group IGNORE contains sender". Then you
simply have to right click on the FROM field in instance of an email
from this sender and add the name to this group in your address book.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v3.99.24
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Re: Dictionaries and Vista

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 at 17:11:53 +0100, MFPA wrote:
> When I was at infant school in the early 1970s, older books and
> older teachers used the "z". By the time I was in my teens, it was
> very unusual to see "-ize" except in an American text (or an old
> one, of course). In recent years, I have noticed the "z" spellings
> with increasing frequency - probably due to naff spellcheckers on
> PCs.

FWIW, from the Oxford Dictionaries "Ask Oxford.com"
(http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutspelling/ize)

   "British spelling has always recognized the existence of variant
   spellings using the suffix -ize/-ise. When American spelling was
   standardized during the 19th century (mainly through the efforts of
   the great American lexicographer Noah Webster), the consistent use
   of -ize was one of the conventions that became established.
   However, since then, the -ise spellings have become more popular in
   Britain (and in other English-speaking countries such as
   Australia), perhaps partly as a reaction against the American
   custom. Spellings such as organisation would have struck many older
   British writers as rather French-looking. The Oxford English
   Dictionary favoured -ize, partly on the linguistic basis that the
   suffix derives from the Greek suffix -izo, and this was also the
   style of Encyclopaedia Britannica (even before it was
   American-owned) and formerly of the Times newspaper.

   "The main advantage of the modern -ise habit? Lazy spellers do not
   have to remember that there are several important words which
   cannot properly be spelt with -ize. These include words which are
   not formed by the addition of the -ize prefix to a stem, but by
   some other root which happens to end in the same syllable, such as
   -vise (as in televise), -cise (as in incise), and -prise (as in
   comprise).

   "The American system resulted in the creeping of z into some other
   words where it did not originally belong. Writers of American
   English should be aware of some spellings that are regarded as
   incorrect in the UK, notably analyze."

-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.24
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Re: .EML associations don't remain "sticky"

[Robin Anson]

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 at 20:23:16 +1000, Lonewolf wrote:
lrca>>> Hey, I spoke too early!  Issue has come back after a reboot.
>
>> Go back to 3.99.3 and see if it happens again (I think it won't).
>
> I really don't think it is worth the effort.
>
> Strange thing - this issue is on my lap top at home; running Bat! at
> work with no such issues.

I ended up changing the permissions in the registry so that
applications were able to read, but not write, to that particular key.
The only (relatively minor) problem with that is I have to reverse the
process each time MS issues an Outlook patch and then reinstate the
changes afterwards.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v3.99.3
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Re: SSL

[Robin Anson]

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 at 16:16:29 +1000, Rex wrote:
> I have a mail account that requires  SSL for the Incoming POP
> server.  I do not see an option for this on my version of the The
> Bat Professional Edition My system details are below

Under the account properties, select Transport and then in the
Connection box under Receive Mail select either "Secure to regular
port (STARTTLS)" or "Secure to dedicated port (TLS)". TLS is the
successor to (and compatible with) SSL.

-- 
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Using The Bat! v3.99.3
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Re: Which one to use?

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 at 11:42:01 -0400, Rich wrote:
> AH! Ok then, so that I may possibly better my template (perhaps
> simplifying it to as RA suggests), the next line is:
>
> Dear %Capital(%TOFNAME=+%if:"%ABToHandle"<>"":"%-
> %if:'%ABToHandle'<>'%ABToFirstName':'%ABToHandle':'%ABToFirstName'":"%ABToFirstName"+)

This says:
If the first name in the TO address (%ToFName) exists
   then
  use it
   otherwise
  if the address book handle is not blank
 then
if the address book handle is different to the address
   book first name,
   then
  use the address book handle
   otherwise
  use the address book first name
 otherwise (if the address book handle is blank)
use the address book first name

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Re: Which one to use?

[Robin Anson]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 at 21:27:59 -0400, Rich wrote:
RA>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 at 16:03:38 +, Doug wrote:
>>> That way, even if the address says "Quality Manager", your reply will
>>> say "Dear Dave,"
>>> "Dear %ABTOFirstName,"
>>> If you reply to someone who is not in your address book, you will get
>>> "Dear ,"
>
RA>> Even better is to use
RA>> Dear %Capital(%ABToFirstName="%ToFName")
RA>> If the Address book first name is blank, it takes the first name from
RA>> that address.
>
> In my (2.12) templates I have:
> Dear %Capital(%TOFNAME=+%if:"%ABToHandle"<>"":"%-
> but do not know what it does!
>
> I like the sound (explanation) of RA's template, and sometimes I am
> puzzled as to how occasionally the way my emails get addressed seems
> very counter-intuitive! Maybe I'd be better off adopting his.
>
> Can anyone please explain to me (not remembering where it came from)
> what my present template does?

You don't seem to have quoted the entire part. The next line or
perhaps more are required. What you have there says use the first name
of the address if it exists. If it doesn't, then if the address book
handle is present ... but what to do in that case appears on the next
lines.

Presumably the address book handle contains the person's common name
(i.e. Jim instead of James). Unfortunately that is pretty restricted
because each one address book handle must be unique if it is not
blank.


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