Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Miguel,

On Friday, May 20, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Then I went into account properties and looked at the forward
>> template. I noticed the "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
>> Standard)" was ticked.

M> That was certainly your original problem for not seeing pictures as 
M> attachments when forwarding. The forwarded message is attached as a 
M> .eml, and no more attachments, but also the text in the editor window 
M> id displayed as per your forward template. This is what I think led 
M> you to think pictures were not being attached.

As you can see, Stefan was kind enough to reply to my query as well. I am going
to redirect one of these emails to him because that's the only way he can see
what I see.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Then I went into account properties and looked at the forward
> template. I noticed the "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
> Standard)" was ticked.

That was certainly your original problem for not seeing pictures as 
attachments when forwarding. The forwarded message is attached as a 
.eml, and no more attachments, but also the text in the editor window 
id displayed as per your forward template. This is what I think led 
you to think pictures were not being attached.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Monday, May 16, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> Well, that makes sense. I can easily see what you're talking about. But it 
>> still
>> doesn't answer the question of why attachments aren't forwarded with the 
>> email.

M> I have no idea why your attachments aren't forwarded. All I can do is
M> volunteer to investigate. When you run into that problem again with a
M> new email, if you don't mind, please forward it to me by PM, as a MIME
M> attachment (remember the option in the FWD template), so it will
M> include everything, and I will take a look to see if I find anything
M> "special" in the message that may be the cause.

Maybe I'm just too old to be using a client as powerful as TB!

Rather than wait for something to come in so I could forward it to you, I took
an image from my phone and sent it to myself. Then I looked at both forwarding
and redirecting to see which would include the picture. Only redirecting would
include the picture. Then I went into account properties and looked at the
forward template. I noticed the "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
Standard)" was ticked. I un-ticked it and tried to forward the message again.
This time the picture was included in the forward.

I AM too old to be using a client as powerful as TB!

But not too old to thank you once again for helping.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> Well, that makes sense. I can easily see what you're talking about. But it 
> still
> doesn't answer the question of why attachments aren't forwarded with the 
> email.

I have no idea why your attachments aren't forwarded. All I can do is
volunteer to investigate. When you run into that problem again with a
new email, if you don't mind, please forward it to me by PM, as a MIME
attachment (remember the option in the FWD template), so it will
include everything, and I will take a look to see if I find anything
"special" in the message that may be the cause.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Miguel,

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 you wrote:

M> Hello Jack,

>> I'm going to try it with that box ticked as soon as I find a good
>> specimen to forward.

M> That is not your problem. If you tick that box what will happen is 
M> that any message that you want to forward will be included as an .eml 
M> MIME attachment, and the text of the message (the one you are creating, 
M> will depend on your Forward template for the account or folder you are 
M> selecting. If you untick that box, there will be no .eml attachment, 
M> just the text created by your template.

M> Now, in your first message you were asking about the difference 
M> between Forward and Redirect, right?

M> - Forward opens an Editor window with contents that depends on your 
M> Forward template; and you can add, delete or correct/change any text 
M> before sending.

M> - Redirect opens a kind of Editor window with exactly the message you
M> are redirecting, there is no template option for Redirect, and you
M> cannot delete or edit or add any part of the message, just include the new 
To 
M> address where you want to redirect the message.

M> More or less ;-)

Well, that makes sense. I can easily see what you're talking about. But it still
doesn't answer the question of why attachments aren't forwarded with the email.
If the screenshot comes through, you can see how my FORWARD template is set up
(never having been modified since TB! was installed). I don't see anything that
would affect attachments.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Jack,

> I'm going to try it with that box ticked as soon as I find a good
> specimen to forward.

That is not your problem. If you tick that box what will happen is 
that any message that you want to forward will be included as an .eml 
MIME attachment, and the text of the message (the one you are creating, 
will depend on your Forward template for the account or folder you are 
selecting. If you untick that box, there will be no .eml attachment, 
just the text created by your template.

Now, in your first message you were asking about the difference 
between Forward and Redirect, right?

- Forward opens an Editor window with contents that depends on your 
Forward template; and you can add, delete or correct/change any text 
before sending.

- Redirect opens a kind of Editor window with exactly the message you
are redirecting, there is no template option for Redirect, and you
cannot delete or edit or add any part of the message, just include the new To 
address where you want to redirect the message.

More or less ;-)

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 you wrote:

TFM> Hello Jack,

TFM> On Sat, 14 May 2022 10:27:36 -0500 GMT (14/05/2022, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
TFM> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> If I *forward* a message which contains pictures as attachments, the pictures
>> don't get forwarded. If on the other hand I *redirect* that same message, the
>> pictures are redirected along with the message.

>> Is there an option somewhere or am I just not understanding the difference
>> between the two methods?

TFM> How exactly do you forward? Over here, pictures and other attachments are 
forwarded.

TFM> My settings:

TFM> Account / Properties / Templates / Forward: [ ] Forward as MIME is *not* 
ticked.

TFM> I use the arrow button to forward rather than the menu item.

My settings appear to be the same as yours. The only difference appears to be
how that last is worded. Mine says "Forward messages as attachments (MIME
standard)" and it was NOT ticked.

I use the "Forward" icon nestled between the "Reply" and "Redirect" icons at the
top of my screen to initiate a "Forward". I'm going to try it with that box
ticked as soon as I find a good specimen to forward.

BTW, your cut mark is missing a space at the end.

Thanks Thomas.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Jack,

On Sat, 14 May 2022 10:27:36 -0500 GMT (14/05/2022, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> If I *forward* a message which contains pictures as attachments, the pictures
> don't get forwarded. If on the other hand I *redirect* that same message, the
> pictures are redirected along with the message.

> Is there an option somewhere or am I just not understanding the difference
> between the two methods?

How exactly do you forward? Over here, pictures and other attachments are 
forwarded.

My settings:

Account / Properties / Templates / Forward: [ ] Forward as MIME is *not* ticked.

I use the arrow button to forward rather than the menu item.

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Forward with attachment(s)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

If I *forward* a message which contains pictures as attachments, the pictures
don't get forwarded. If on the other hand I *redirect* that same message, the
pictures are redirected along with the message.

Is there an option somewhere or am I just not understanding the difference
between the two methods?

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Re: Automatic attachment on forward and re-direct

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Ira,

Saturday, June 24, 2017, 6:36:15 AM, you wrote:

> When I forward a massage and only want to reference one line,
> the bat always automatically adds an attachment containing the
> whole forwarded email. How do I turn that feature off?

Not a beta issue, so I am copying TBUDL for further discussion there.

Case-by-case: Go to Specials / Alternative Forward, and the original
message will not be attached.

To turn it off permanently, go to Account / Properties / Templates /
Forward, and take the tick-mark off "Forward the message as
attachment...".

More info: https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/help/65/#6600

HTH

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Re: checking for attachment

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 24 October 2016 at 9:13:03 AM, in
,
Tony Brookes wrote:-



> Dwight, Outlook (recent versions) have that
> functionality.

TB! can check on attachments with a filter on outgoing messages.  
Something like:-
  Message (attributes)is not   with attachments
  And
  TextContains Attach
   Or Subject contains attach
   
I'm not sure which (if any) of the available filter actions could be
employed to warn you before sending without attachments, rather than
letting you know afterwards that you have just sent without
attachments.

Perhaps moving the message to a folder or flagging as parked might
work? I have not tried.



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RE: checking for attachment

[Tony Brookes]

On Sunday, October 23, 2016, 10:31:38 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> No, there isn't. If you don't attach anything, TB! cannot know that 
>> you wanted to.

>Don't recall which one, but I've set up a client which noticed if you used the 
> word  attach  or  attachment  in your subject or text, and didn't attach  
>anything,  it  would  ask  you  whether  you had [Tony] >overlooked an 
>attachment when you hit send.


Dwight, Outlook (recent versions) have that functionality.

Tony


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Re: checking for attachment

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Sunday, October 23, 2016, 10:31:38 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> No, there isn't. If you don't attach anything, TB! cannot know that
> you wanted to.

Don't recall which one, but I've set up a client which noticed if you used
the  word  attach  or  attachment  in your subject or text, and didn't
attach  anything,  it  would  ask  you  whether  you had overlooked an
attachment when you hit send.

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Re: checking for attachment

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tom,

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:09:45 +1100 GMT (20-Oct-16, 09:09 +0700 GMT),
Tom wrote:

> Just  wondering  if there is a setting to have TB check on attachments
> before  sending  it  and warn if necessary -  in  case  I  miss actually 
> attaching it before
> clicking the send button.

No, there isn't. If you don't attach anything, TB! cannot know that
you wanted to.

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checking for attachment

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

Just  wondering  if there is a setting to have TB check on attachments
before  sending  it  and warn if necessary -  in  case  I  miss actually 
attaching it before
clicking the send button.

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Re: Picture attachment size?

[Susanne]

 

Hi,

Saturday, May 18, 2013, 2:55:20 PM,jlar...@charter.net wrote:

 Are you familiar with Picasa? You select the pictures you want to send

Not personally, but I've heard of it.
I'll go take a look! Thanks!

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Re: Picture attachment size?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Susanne,

Friday, May 17, 2013, 9:05:03 PM, you wrote:



S Friday, May 17, 2013, 1:01:39 PM,rg...@grunwalds.com wrote:

 Not that I know of. You must resize the pics outside of The Bat
 before you attach them.

S Thought so, but was hoping I had overlooked an option!
S Thank you!

Are you familiar with Picasa? You select the pictures you want to send and click
on Picasa's email icon (bottom of the screen). Picasa then shrinks the selected
pictures to a size that won't choke your ISP's server, launches your default
email client (TB!) and opens a NEW MESSAGE with the selected pictures already
attached.

HTH.

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Picture attachment size?

[Susanne]

Is there something in the settings to control this?

  

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Re: Picture attachment size?

[Rick]

Not that I know of. You must resize the pics outside of The Bat before you 
attach them. You can make the inline graphics appear smaller by dragging the 
edges, but that doesn't change the file size. If you use windows to send them, 
you can make it resize them at that time

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Re: Picture attachment size?

[Susanne]

Friday, May 17, 2013, 1:01:39 PM,rg...@grunwalds.com wrote:

 Not that I know of. You must resize the pics outside of The Bat
 before you attach them.

Thought so, but was hoping I had overlooked an option!
Thank you!

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[Adrian J Morant]

Hello MAU,

Sunday, October 7, 2012, 10:18:31 PM, you wrote:

 Hello Adrian,


 Are you by any chance keeping your attachments in a separate directory?
 See Account/Properties/Files  directories.

 No. Keep attachment files in message body

 Well, sorry but I can't think of anything else for the moment.

I think I've cracked it.

Specials/Alternative Forward  Shift+Alt+F5 looks as if will do the
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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Adrian,


 I think I've cracked it.

 Specials/Alternative Forward  Shift+Alt+F5 looks as if will do the
 job.


Well, what Shift+Alt+F5 does here is send the whole original message as
a .eml attachment. Something I very rarely use.

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[Rick]

I throw in something here. I have mine set up to forward the message as is (not 
as an attachment), yet with certain people, it acts the opposite of as usual: 
if I forward normally I get an attached message and must use the shift+alt+F5 
to get them to go correctly. 

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Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[Adrian J Morant]

Hello Tbudl,

  Is there a way to forward a message complete with its attachment(s)

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Adrian,

Sunday, October 7, 2012, 4:34:25 PM, you wrote:

AJM   Is there a way to forward a message complete with its attachment(s)

Why, yes. When I forward messages, the attachments are always there.
Sometimes I have to manually delete them if I don't want to forward
them...

Not sure what you are doing differently from me.

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[Adrian J Morant]

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, October 7, 2012, 11:52:13 AM, you wrote:

 Not sure what you are doing differently from me.


With the message sender, recipient, subject highlighted:
Either Message/Forward   or   shift-F5

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Adrian,


 Not sure what you are doing differently from me.


 With the message sender, recipient, subject highlighted:
 Either Message/Forward   or   shift-F5

Are you by any chance keeping your attachments in a separate directory?
See Account/Properties/Files  directories.

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[Adrian J Morant]

Hello MAU,

Sunday, October 7, 2012, 6:02:43 PM, you wrote:

 Are you by any chance keeping your attachments in a separate directory?
 See Account/Properties/Files  directories.

No. Keep attachment files in message body

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Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)

[MAU]

Hello Adrian,


 Are you by any chance keeping your attachments in a separate directory?
 See Account/Properties/Files  directories.

 No. Keep attachment files in message body

Well, sorry but I can't think of anything else for the moment.

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Attachment pane

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL,

Go to folder View (for example by hitting enter on any messages
highlighted in the message list).

Go to View / Attached Files.

In my TB!, I have Show on button, Show in Pane, Hide. That makes
sense and works as expected.

My friend's TB! 4.x decided last week to change that to: Hide on
button, Hide in Pane, Hide. And that is exactly what his TB!
does, he cannot make the attachment icons visible in the pane any
more. They are hidden somewhere, and changing the place where they
are hidden makes no difference.

I would think he hit a wrong ctrl-key but I wouldn't know which one.
Plus, since when do crtl-keys change the drop-down menues?

What he needs is his attachment pane back. How to do?

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Re: Attachment pane

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,


 I would think he hit a wrong ctrl-key but I wouldn't know which one.
 Plus, since when do crtl-keys change the drop-down menues?

Are you sure that your friend, or someone else, hasn't been fiddling
with Customiser? My suggestion would be to exit TB, delete 'tbuser.def'
file (after saving a copy to a different directory) and re-starting TB.

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Re: Attachment pane

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

Friday, April 20, 2012, 4:03:19 AM, you wrote:

 I would think he hit a wrong ctrl-key but I wouldn't know which one.
 Plus, since when do crtl-keys change the drop-down menues?

M Are you sure that your friend, or someone else, hasn't been fiddling
M with Customiser? My suggestion would be to exit TB, delete 'tbuser.def'
M file (after saving a copy to a different directory) and re-starting TB.

If he did, he would have done this accidentally. I don't think he
could have changed the wording and action in the drop-down menu.

I'll try and rename the tbuser.def before restarting TB!.

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Re: Replicating Attachment problems.

[Mark Partous]

Hello Abigail,

Thursday, August 11, 2011, 7:10:31 PM, you wrote:

AM I don't think that would be a good fit for my needs -- it would make it a
AM lot harder for me to locate and find documents over time.

Not  with  Archivarius 3000... The only problem with the combination 
TB!/Archivarius is that the latter can show you the
entire texts of mail attachements (and the location of the files), but not the 
way they look like in the native program,
which it (Archivarius) can for attached files in Outlook or files in folders.

Since  I use  Archivarius 3000 I only have to remember a (preferably) specific 
word that is used in the document to find
the file.

http://www.likasoft.com/document-search/index-en.shtml Not related to Likasoft, 
merely a very happy user :-)

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Re: Replicating Attachment problems.

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Abigail,

@10-Aug-2011, 21:49 -0700 (11-Aug 05:49:35 here) Abigail Marshall
[AM] in
mid:CAHOAKLbM=xkl3-tt6sfwinfkrcrsaczgczowhv73_x2p84w...@mail.gmail.com
said:

AM OK, now I'm really frustrated -- the problem is with TheBat creating
AM unnecessary duplicates of attachments.
... snip
AM Obviously this a a bug and not a feature.

Not so. This is entirely predicted, predictable and required behaviour.

AM So what is causing this

If you have multiple messages that refer to the same attachment,
each message MUST have its own copy of that attachment so that, when
message A and attachments are deleted, message B still has its
attached files available and intact.

AM and what can I do to address this?

Keep attachments in the message bodies. It doesn't change anything
except that connected attachments are more obviously attributed to
the message that owns them rather than giving a poor illusion of
cascading duplication in an externalised attachment folder.

-- 
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Re: Replicating Attachment problems.

[Jim Kyle]

On Thursday, August 11, 2011, at 3:20:51 AM, Marck Pearlstone wrote:

AM Obviously this a a bug and not a feature.

 Not so. This is entirely predicted, predictable and required behaviour.

As I read Abigail's message, only one message that referred to the
attachment existed before the backup, and afterwards there were five more
but still only one message referring to it. The creation of the five
superfluous copies certainly sounds like a big to me, and a fairly serious
one at that.

However, I do agree with you that leaving the attachment in the message
file is the best way to avoid the problem. It might also work to uncheck
the delete attachment when message is deleted from trash box in the
account preferences, but I've not tested that nor do I plan to modify my
attachment handling since it works properly when keeping attachments with
their original messages.

-- 
Jim Kyle

Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3
with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5
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Re: Replicating Attachment problems.

[Abigail Marshall]

 As I read Abigail's message, only one message that referred to the
 attachment existed before the backup, and afterwards there were five more
 but still only one message referring to it. The creation of the five
 superfluous copies certainly sounds like a big to me, and a fairly serious
 one at that.


Yes, that is exactly what happened and also probably what was happening
before which caused my attachment folder to grow to a point where it was
eating up hard drive space on my computer and creating performance problems
with TheBat.


 However, I do agree with you that leaving the attachment in the message
 file is the best way to avoid the problem.


I don't think that would be a good fit for my needs -- it would make it a
lot harder for me to locate and find documents over time.


 It might also work to uncheck
 the delete attachment when message is deleted from trash box in the
 account preferences,


I'll try that -- I was thinking that with the box unchecked the attachment
would not be deleted at all for deleted messages. But if instead that meant
that the attachment was deleted immediately when the message was deleted,
that would be fine with me.

-Abigail
Running TheBat 5.0.20.1

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Replicating Attachment problems.

[Abigail Marshall]

I've retitled this to focus on a particular problem.  I have discovered, to
my frustration, that TheBat likes to make extra copies of attachments.
(running version 5.0.20.1).  I have TheBat configured to store all
attachments in a single folder.

Here's what happened.

Someone sends me a file.   TheBat stores this as filename.pdf
I forwarded the file to someone else.  TheBat copies this as filename1.pdf

OK, I understand the concept.  It used to be with older versions of TheBat,
that when I would forward a file, it would disappear from the originating
email, which was rather annoying.

But since my work involves receiving and transmitting a lot of stuff
this means that the attachment folder can grow geometrically, very quickly.


I don't know if there is a fix for this, but I sure wish there were. (For me
it means that I will really have to change my own practices as to how I
handle attachments, something that makes TB rather inconvenient to use)

-Abigail

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Re: Replicating Attachment problems.

[Abigail Marshall]

OK, now I'm really frustrated -- the problem is with TheBat creating
unnecessary duplicates of attachments.

A person mailed me a 1meg file PDF today -- so I've been tracking what
happened to it.  I'll call it newfile.pdf

First, I forwarded newfile.pdf to an outside email.   TheBat created a 2nd
copy  of the file -- so I had:

newfile.pdf
newfile1.pdf

Then, within TheBat, I deleted the attachment from my sent mail, returning
me to a single file.

Then my backup ran. I have changed backup settings so that attachments
should NOT be backed up.

Nonethless I ended up with 6 (SIX) duplicates:

newfile.pdf
newfile1.pdf
newfile2.pdf
newfile3.pdf
newfile4.pdf
newfile5.pdf
newfile6.pdf

with files 1-6 all showing the same modification stamp.

Obviously this a a bug and not a feature.

So what is causing this and what can I do to address this?

-Abigail



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external attachment

[Alain de Gevigney]

Hello Bat users,

   I'm unable to find a report in bugtracker for this error, but it
   has existed for several years and is still present in 5.0.12 ...

,- [ Extract from : thebat_Exceptions.log ]
| Date: 13 May 2011 07:39:05
| OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3 build 2600
| Address: 00C1B3EF
| ClassName: EAttachAlreadyExists
| Message:  E:\...\PJ\Partie.att
| IsOSException: 0
| Modules: 
|  0040 20110511161705 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe
`-

   It is related to this kind of filter :

,- [ Extract from sorting office ]
|  TB! Message Filter 
| beginFilter
| UID: [83618B1E.01C69F5A.49905D0C.30348541]
| Name: user1
| Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`10`us...@domain.com/0D/0aali...@domain.com/0D/0A}
| Tag: user1
| MoveMessage AutoFolder folder \5C\5C\5CAlain\5CUser1
| ExtractFiles IgnoreExist AutoPath dir E:\5CXpUsers\5CUser1\5CPJ dirRelative 
%EXEDRIVE%\5CXpUsers\5CUser1\5CPJ
| PlaySound file %WDIR%\5Cmasterhavemail.wav
| IsActive
| Ignore
| endFilter
`-

  Confirm ?


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Re: Attachment list

[MFPA]

Hi

On Friday 10 July 2009 at 11:08:16 AM, in
mid:1497270830.20090710200...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote:



 Unfortunately it does not really do much.

 First the result after using the QT's from
 silverstones. Both versions do the same thing.

 Attachments: Regulation of the Engineering
 Profession.doc, Regulation of the Engineering
 Profession.pdf

[...]

Weird. Testing it does not work here either. The modified version I
use to list original attachments to a forwarded message still works
for me in a reply or forward.


= Oattachments_one_per_line_1 =

%REM='obtained from
http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php?category=General+Macro
written by Matthias Appel in oct. 2001
revised to cover %Oattachments instead of %attachments'%-
%-
%IF:%Oattachments=none:none:%_COMMENT='%Oattachments'%-
%QT='Oattachments_one_per_line_2'%-

= Ends 

= Oattachments_one_per_line_2 =

%IF:%SETPATTREGEXP='(?i)^.*?(,).*$'%REGEXPMATCH='%_COMMENT'=,:%-
%SETPATTREGEXP='(?i)^\s*(.*?)\s*,.*$'%REGEXPMATCH='%_COMMENT'
%_COMMENT='%SETPATTREGEXP=@(?i)^.*?,\s*(.*)\...@%regexpmatch=%_comment'%Qt='Oattachments_one_per_line_2':%_COMMENT%-
%_COMMENT=''%-

= Ends 
The third line of the above 4 lines will wrap.


 What I am looking for is something that lists each
 attachment on its  own on a separate line as in:

 Attachments: 

- Regulation of the Engineering Profession.doc
- Regulation of the Engineering Profession.pdf

That's what my Oattachments_one_per_line QTs produce for me when
listing the attachments to the original message being forwarded or
replied to.

 The problem with long filenames is that you can use ,
 in the filename, and there does not have to be an
 extension. As such trying to search  for a , or a file
 extension is likely to have issues.

Yep, reformatting the listing by searching for commas and dots would
not help there!

 Maybe what is needed is for the macro to have an option
 such as

 %ATTACHMENTS(1) means one attachment per line

 and

 %ATTACHMENTS does things the way they currently are.

I don't understand why anybody would _want_ them listed on one line
anyway. One per line is much easier to read :-;

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MFPA

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Re: Attachment list

[MONSELL]

Dear List,

RA Create a Quick Template called AttList as follows

RA %If:%_FirstTime=:#%-
RA %%_FirstTime=No%-
RA %%If:%Attachments=none:%-
RA %_:%-
RA %_%-Attachments:
RA %_%_Att_List='%Attachments,'%-
RA %_%Qinclude(AttList)#:#%-
RA %%If:%_Att_List:%-
RA %_%SetPattRegexp='(?i)^(.*?),\s*(.*)$'%-
RA %_%RegexpBlindMatch='%_Att_List'%-
RA %_%-   * %SubPatt='1'
RA %_%_Att_List=%SubPatt='2'%-
RA %_%Qinclude(AttList):%-
RA %_%-
RA %#%-

 Unfortunately when using the QT, it crashes The Bat!. It simply shuts 
 down instantly and nothing gets written to the exception log.

 That's strange. I just copied and pasted the code from my email into a new
 QT and it worked perfectly.

Works perfectly here too...


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Re: Attachment list

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 8 July 2009 at 5:32:23 AM, in
mid:1317465342.20090708143...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote:


 G'day Robin,

 On Wednesday, July 8, 2009, at 1:31:30 PM, you (Robin
 Anson) wrote:

RA Create a Quick Template called AttList as follows

RA %If:%_FirstTime=:#%- %%_FirstTime=No%-
RA %%If:%Attachments=none:%- %_:%-
RA %_%-Attachments:
RA %_%_Att_List='%Attachments,'%-
RA %_%Qinclude(AttList)#:#%-
RA %%If:%_Att_List:%-
RA %_%SetPattRegexp='(?i)^(.*?),\s*(.*)$'%-
RA %_%RegexpBlindMatch='%_Att_List'%-
RA %_%-   * %SubPatt='1'
RA %_%_Att_List=%SubPatt='2'%-
RA %_%Qinclude(AttList):%- %_%-
RA %#%-

 Unfortunately when using the QT, it crashes The Bat!.
 It simply shuts  down instantly and nothing gets
 written to the exception log.



The solution at  http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html is:-



   Attachments listing
 [ General Macro]Reformat the listing of attachments
 Added to the Library by Matthias Appel

 Create the following quick templates (handles are in [brackets] -
 see below for v2 versions):

 ==[ AT1 ]

[TB! version 1 variant snipped]

 =[ End QT ]==

 After adding the attachments to your email you can write at1 and hit
 ctrl+space to get the listing.

  Version 2 adaptation:

 ==[ AT1 ]
 %REM='written by Matthias Appel in oct. 2001'
 %IF:%ATTACHMENTS=none::Attachments:
 %_COMMENT='%ATTACHMENTS'%-
 %QINCLUDE='at2'%-
 =[ End QT ]==

 ==[ AT2 ]
 %IF:%SETPATTREGEXP='(?i)^.*?(;).*$'%REGEXPMATCH='%_COMMENT'=;:%-
 %SETPATTREGEXP='(?i)^\s*(.*?)\s*;.*$'%REGEXPMATCH='%_COMMENT'
 %_COMMENT='%SETPATTREGEXP=_(?i)^.*?;\s*(.*)\s*$_%REGEXPMATCH=_%_COMMENT_'%-
 %QINCLUDE='at2':%_COMMENT%-
 %_COMMENT=''%-
 =[ End QT ]==


I am using a slight adaptation in a forwarding template to list the
attachments to the original message, as at some point I had an issue
with attachments not always tagging along when I forwarded a message.


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MFPA

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Re: Attachment list

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 8 July 2009 at 2:14:18 AM, in
mid:19210397996.20090708111...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote:



 I use the %ATTACHMENTS macro to list the attachments I
 send in an  e-mail to make sure that the recipient gets
 them all, however the  attached filenames all appear on
 a line wrapped. With filenames  allowed to have spaces,
 this causes issues with a filename breaking  across
 more than one line.

You could use underscore_characters_instead_of_spaces (-;

 Is there any way to list the attachments one per line
 with the  %ATTACHMENTS macro?

Yes. Try   http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html and look
for Attachments Listing

Be sure to follow version 2 instructions.



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MFPA

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Re: Attachment list

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 at 03:28:23 +0100, MFPA wrote:
 On Wednesday 8 July 2009 at 2:14:18 AM, in
 mid:19210397996.20090708111...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote:
 I use the %ATTACHMENTS macro to list the attachments I
 send in an  e-mail to make sure that the recipient gets
 them all, however the  attached filenames all appear on
 a line wrapped. With filenames  allowed to have spaces,
 this causes issues with a filename breaking  across
 more than one line.

 Is there any way to list the attachments one per line
 with the  %ATTACHMENTS macro?

 Yes. Try   http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html and look
 for Attachments Listing

 Be sure to follow version 2 instructions.

It doesn't seem to be responding, but I use the following, which I think I
took from the TB Library.

Create a Quick Template called AttList as follows

%If:%_FirstTime=:#%-
%%_FirstTime=No%-
%%If:%Attachments=none:%-
%_:%-
%_%-Attachments:
%_%_Att_List='%Attachments,'%-
%_%Qinclude(AttList)#:#%-
%%If:%_Att_List:%-
%_%SetPattRegexp='(?i)^(.*?),\s*(.*)$'%-
%_%RegexpBlindMatch='%_Att_List'%-
%_%-   * %SubPatt='1'
%_%_Att_List=%SubPatt='2'%-
%_%Qinclude(AttList):%-
%_%-
%#%-

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Re: Attachment list

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 at 14:32:23 +1000, Ian wrote:
 G'day Robin,

 On Wednesday, July 8, 2009, at 1:31:30 PM, you (Robin Anson) wrote:

RA Create a Quick Template called AttList as follows

RA %If:%_FirstTime=:#%-
RA %%_FirstTime=No%-
RA %%If:%Attachments=none:%-
RA %_:%-
RA %_%-Attachments:
RA %_%_Att_List='%Attachments,'%-
RA %_%Qinclude(AttList)#:#%-
RA %%If:%_Att_List:%-
RA %_%SetPattRegexp='(?i)^(.*?),\s*(.*)$'%-
RA %_%RegexpBlindMatch='%_Att_List'%-
RA %_%-   * %SubPatt='1'
RA %_%_Att_List=%SubPatt='2'%-
RA %_%Qinclude(AttList):%-
RA %_%-
RA %#%-

 Unfortunately when using the QT, it crashes The Bat!. It simply shuts 
 down instantly and nothing gets written to the exception log.

That's strange. I just copied and pasted the code from my email into a new
QT and it worked perfectly.

-- 
Robin

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Re: Deleting an attachment

[Tom]

Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 9:11:49 PM, you wrote:

 Deleting a message means that it's marked as deleted and doesn't show
 anymore (unless you choose Folder - Browse deleted messages) even
 when a message shows in trash, it's still present in the original
 folder. Same thing goes for messages that are moved to another folder,
 they're still present in the original folder, just marked as read.
 It stays like this until you compress the folder. That's a reason why
 we advise to compress all folders on exit (or at least regularly)

 Deleted attachments are handled the same way, they're merely marked as
 deleted, but they won't show when you browse deleted messages. They'll
 be removed when you compress the folder.

Thanks Roelof and listen2reason,

I appreciate the clarification.

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Re: Deleting an attachment

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:56:00 +1100GMT (21-10-2008, 7:56 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

T Still I am wondering about the treatment of this attachment. I have
T deleted the email, so it now appears in trash. Via right-click I have
T deleted the attachment - now I am wondering where is it gone? Does it still 
slumber
T somewhere in the database and just does not show anymore or is it really 
gone?

Deleting a message means that it's marked as deleted and doesn't show
anymore (unless you choose Folder - Browse deleted messages) even
when a message shows in trash, it's still present in the original
folder. Same thing goes for messages that are moved to another folder,
they're still present in the original folder, just marked as read.
It stays like this until you compress the folder. That's a reason why
we advise to compress all folders on exit (or at least regularly)

Deleted attachments are handled the same way, they're merely marked as
deleted, but they won't show when you browse deleted messages. They'll
be removed when you compress the folder.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Women, like rabbits, will hop into bed at night.
http://www.voormijalleen.nl/
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Re: Deleting an attachment

[...listen2reason... - Musaic.Net]

 Still I am wondering about the treatment of this attachment. I have
 deleted the email, so it now appears in trash. Via right-click I have
 deleted the attachment - now I am wondering where is it gone? Does it
 still slumber somewhere in the database and just does not show anymore
 or is it really gone?

  I just wanted to add to what Roelof said regarding deleted messages
  that depending on the Anti Virus software you are running, virus mail
  could cause you a major headache as the Anti Virus program while
  scanning your PC manually MIGHT consider the entire mailbox to be an
  infected file thus it might quarantine it (the mailbox, that is).
  (Phew! Long sentence...)

  Either make a habit of properly delete and prune/compress the folder
  OR configure your Anti Virus program to ignore the directory in which
  you store your messages/mail.

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Deleting an attachment

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

just received an email (spam) with an attachment (supposedly jpg). I
am viewing emails in this account as txt and do not open such
attachments.
Still I am wondering about the treatment of this attachment. I have
deleted the email, so it now appears in trash. Via right-click I have
deleted the attachment - now I am wondering where is it gone? Does it still 
slumber
somewhere in the database and just does not show anymore or is it really gone?

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Re: attachment in-line

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:46:34 -0500 GMT (20/02/2008, 07:46 +0700 GMT),
Peter Kerekes wrote:

   Sometimes I am getting an e-mail with attachments, where the attachment
   is actually in the e-mail itself.

   I tried to get this a number of ways unsuccessfully. How can I do it?

   I tried with MicroEd with HTML but could not make it.

   Would appreciate any suggestions.

Rick I'm not understanding - does the email show in the attachment pane?

PK  No the other way around. The attachment becomes part of the mail - inline
PK  attachment.

I've seen people on TBBETA doing this with TB!, so it is possible. I
don't know how, as I don't use HTML. Someone else might chip in.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes;
why can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance ?
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attachment in-line

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Tbudl,

  Sometimes I am getting an e-mail with attachments, where the attachment
  is actually in the e-mail itself.

  I tried to get this a number of ways unsuccessfully. How can I do it?

  I tried with MicroEd with HTML but could not make it.

  Would appreciate any suggestions.

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Re: attachment in-line

[Rick Grunwald]

 Hello Tbudl,

   Sometimes I am getting an e-mail with attachments, where the attachment
   is actually in the e-mail itself.

   I tried to get this a number of ways unsuccessfully. How can I do it?

   I tried with MicroEd with HTML but could not make it.

   Would appreciate any suggestions.

I'm not understanding - does the email show in the attachment pane?


-- 
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Re[2]: attachment in-line

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Rick,

Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 5:20:19 PM, you wrote:


 Hello Tbudl,

   Sometimes I am getting an e-mail with attachments, where the attachment
   is actually in the e-mail itself.

   I tried to get this a number of ways unsuccessfully. How can I do it?

   I tried with MicroEd with HTML but could not make it.

   Would appreciate any suggestions.

Rick I'm not understanding - does the email show in the attachment pane?

 No the other way around. The attachment becomes part of the mail - inline
 attachment.


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 Peter

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Saving/Opening attachment

[Maggie Meister]

Hello Bats,

  When opening an rtf or doc attachment, I notice it is opened read-only.

Is there somewhere a preference I'm missing to set this to never open as 
read-only?

Please don't tell me this is a feature! :-( 

-- 

Best regards,
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Re: Saving/Opening attachment

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Thursday, January 24, 2008, Maggie Meister wrote:

   When opening an rtf or doc attachment, I notice it is opened read-only.

 Is there somewhere a preference I'm missing to set this to never open as 
 read-only?

 Please don't tell me this is a feature! :-( 

yes, it was requested by many users to have teporary files opened in temp as 
read
only, because users edited this temporary file and lost changes, when
closed editor

Frankly, it is easy to save that file to drive and edit.

-- 

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Marek Mikus
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Re[2]: Saving/Opening attachment

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Marek,

On Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 11:20:04 AM you wrote:

M yes, it was requested by many users to have teporary files opened in temp as 
read
M only, because users edited this temporary file and lost changes, when
M closed editor

Ah, pity there's no option.

M Frankly, it is easy to save that file to drive and edit.

Yes it it easy.

Thanks, Marek.  

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Re: Attachment handling

[Tom]

 I would prefer to save all attachments to a central location on my
 harddrive (ie outside of the TB) hoping that this will reduce the
 file size within TB.

One further follow-up query:
I noticed that this attachment saving works fine but in the target
folder I not only collect the real attachments like xls.files or
word doc. but also what I consider trash, e.g. winmail.dat or gif from
signatures or inclusions from incredimail.

Is there a way to filter this to reduce the clutter?


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Re: Attachment handling

[Tom]

 I would prefer to save all attachments to a central location on my
 harddrive (ie outside of the TB) hoping that this will reduce the
 file size within TB.


 The setting you chose only moved the file (in your case, the picture)
 out of the messages.tb? files. When you are reading mail, it does not
 look any different.

Thanks - this is clear now and it works as you explained. One follow
up observation:

If my preferred location for saving the attachment is on a networked
drive and this pc is not active at the time, it appears that the email
gets through with TB overriding the instructions and leaving the
attachment with the email. In this case it seems to go back into the
default location Documents/Settings.../ Application Data/ The Bat/
Account...

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Attachment handling

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

previously I did not change the default setting for attachments within
TB. However, I am now thinking that I would prefer to save all
attachments to a central location on my harddrive (ie outside of the
TB) hoping that this will reduce the file size within TB.

I read through the Help file and changed the setting. However with my
test email I noticed that while the attachment was indeed saved
elsewhere, the email still showed the attachment (as existing and
picture). Is this normal and perhaps my misunderstanding? I assumed I
might only have a txt reference to the split attachment with TB /
preview pane but the info is complete. Is the file size saved actually
smaller now or do I have the attachment saved within TB and in my
external directory now and need to do something else?


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Re: Attachment handling

[Tim Musson]

Hey Tom,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 2:14:38 AM.

 I would prefer to save all attachments to a central location on my
 harddrive (ie outside of the TB) hoping that this will reduce the
 file size within TB.

 I read through the Help file and changed the setting. However with
 my test email I noticed that while the attachment was indeed saved
 elsewhere, the email still showed the attachment (as existing and
 picture). Is this normal and perhaps my misunderstanding? I assumed
 I might only have a txt reference to the split attachment with TB /
 preview pane but the info is complete. Is the file size saved
 actually smaller now or do I have the attachment saved within TB and
 in my external directory now and need to do something else?

The setting you chose only moved the file (in your case, the picture)
out of the messages.tb? files. When you are reading mail, it does not
look any different.

You can do a quick test if you like.

Create a new folder, then send an eMail with a large pix in it.

Change the setting, create another new folder and send the same pix to
that new folder.

Go to the file system and check the size of your messages.tb* files.
They will not be the same size and the diff will be approximately the
size of you pix.

If you don't see an obvious difference, run a quick purge/compress
over those folders and check again.

-- 
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Re: Attachment directories

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Dave,

on  Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:56:21 +1000GMT (16.09.2007, 07:56 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

DC My question revolves around the new mail in TB and those file
DC attaches; Does TB store them in a new directory as a result of the
DC import process ?In other words, all links to Outlook are gone?

The Bat! stores attachments according to your settings in Account »
Properties » Files  Directories.

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Attachment directories

[Dave Cripps]

Hello Everybody,

As a new chum to version 3.99.24 I have now safely imported all my
mail folders from Outlook, and Contacts, but I'm wondering where all
these new files are stored.

One particular folder in Outlook had many file attaches, all of which
I still want linked to the messages.

My question revolves around the new mail in TB and those file
attaches; Does TB store them in a new directory as a result of the
import process ?In other words, all links to Outlook are gone?

Don't want to delete the mail folders in Outlook until I'm sure.

Cheers
Dave

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Re: cannnot browse to attachment

[A . Translator]

Benedict Allen plaatste dit op zijn scherm :

What happens when you set the file type to all files? Try the shortcut
alt+pg up.


Same thing: only folder are shown, no files.

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Re: cannnot browse to attachment

[A . Translator]

Thomas Fernandez schreef op 14-11-2006 :

I had this problem many years ago. It was a registry entry in Chinese
Windows 98 that I had to change, and the problem was fixed.



I wonder whether you have installed any new software that changed
something in the registry prior to the problem ocurring for the first
time.


Phew! There may well have been some change in the registry but I really don't 
remember would it could have been. The problem has been there for several 
months now, and I began to get used to it.

Did you ask for help in this group? Can I search for your question?
I am not having anything Chinese or otherwise exotic on my machine. It is a 
plain old Win XP Home machine, Dutch version.


Thanks for letting me know I am not the only one with the problem.

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Re: cannnot browse to attachment

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello A.Translator,

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:20:41 +0100 GMT (14/11/2006, 23:20 +0700 GMT),
A.Translator wrote:

 I had this problem many years ago. It was a registry entry in Chinese
 Windows 98 that I had to change, and the problem was fixed.

 I wonder whether you have installed any new software that changed
 something in the registry prior to the problem ocurring for the first
 time.

AT Phew! There may well have been some change in the registry but I really 
don't
AT remember would it could have been. The problem has been there for several
AT months now, and I began to get used to it.

That's a problem. It would be easier to pin-point the day and what new
program you installed then.

AT Did you ask for help in this group?

Yes, and the group helped me. As usual. :-)

AT Can I search for your question?

I don't remember the subject, only that I lived in Taiwan from 1999 to
2002. If you search my postings during that time, I expect there will
be too many. Unless, that is, the archive doesn't go back that far. I
don't think that it will help solve your problem though, as it was
related to C-Win98.

AT I am not having anything Chinese or otherwise exotic on my
AT machine. It is a plain old Win XP Home machine, Dutch version.

I think it had to do with double-byte characters at the time. Dutch
doesn't use that. If I remembered at least part of the registry path,
I would direct you. Age has taken it's toll, but I will try again with
some Gingko Biloba.

AT Thanks for letting me know I am not the only one with the problem.

I'm sorry I cannot offer a ready solution.

-- 

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Re: cannnot browse to attachment

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello A.Translator,

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:23:28 +0100 GMT (12/11/2006, 19:23 +0700 GMT),
A.Translator wrote:

AT I have been using TB! for years and never had any serious problems until 
now:
AT I cannot attach and image or doc file to an email by using MicroEd and 
browsing
AT to the file, simply because the files are not shown. The file format is
AT suddenly *.zap on default, but even when U change that to say *.gif or 
*.doc,
AT files with that extension do not show up in the Editor browser window, even
AT though they are there.

I had this problem many years ago. It was a registry entry in Chinese
Windows 98 that I had to change, and the problem was fixed.

I wonder whether you have installed any new software that changed
something in the registry prior to the problem ocurring for the first
time.

-- 

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Thomas.

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Re: cannnot browse to attachment

[A . Translator]

Thomas Fernandez formuleerde de vraag :

I'm sorry I cannot offer a ready solution


Thanks for trying anyway.

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Re: cannnot browse to attachment

[Benedict Allen]

Howdy A.Translator,

Sunday, November 12, 2006, 12:23:28 PM, A.Translator wrotened:

AT I have been using TB! for years and never had any serious problems until 
now:
AT I cannot attach and image or doc file to an email by using MicroEd and 
browsing
AT to the file, simply because the files are not shown. The file format is
AT suddenly *.zap on default, but even when U change that to say *.gif or 
*.doc,
AT files with that extension do not show up in the Editor browser window, even
AT though they are there.
AT There are two ways I can attach:
AT by switching to the html editor
AT and by dragging the image or doc into the window (in MicroEd) ,
AT but I want to do it the way I've done it for years:
AT using MicroEd and hitting the attach button (there is probably a keyboard
AT shortcut for this but I never bothered to find out.)

AT I am using TB! version 3.85.03

What happens when you set the file type to all files? Try the shortcut
alt+pg up.



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cannnot browse to attachment

[A . Translator]

I have been using TB! for years and never had any serious problems until now:
I cannot attach and image or doc file to an email by using MicroEd and browsing 
to the file, simply because the files are not shown. The file format is 
suddenly *.zap on default, but even when U change that to say *.gif or *.doc, 
files with that extension do not show up in the Editor browser window, even 
though they are there.

There are two ways I can attach:
by switching to the html editor
and by dragging the image or doc into the window (in MicroEd) ,
but I want to do it the way I've done it for years:
using MicroEd and hitting the attach button (there is probably a keyboard 
shortcut for this but I never bothered to find out.)


I am using TB! version 3.85.03

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Question about attachment/ bytes

[Elodie Trouche-Perrin]

Hello TBUDL,

I sent an email with jpegs attached. It left my outbox ok with size
around 2000 kbytes. The recipient received my email with all jpegs
attached with their right size, but when i look at my send box, the jpeg are at 
0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how it is possible!?


Elodie

Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Steven Kasher Gallery
521 West 23rd Street 2nd floor
New York, NY 10011

Tel. 212 966 3978 
Fax. 212 226 1485

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Re: Question about attachment/ bytes

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Elodie Trouche-Perrin  everyone else,

on 21-Jul-2006 at 18:37 you (Elodie Trouche-Perrin) wrote:

 I sent an email with jpegs attached. It left my outbox ok with size
 around 2000 kbytes. The recipient received my email with all jpegs
 attached with their right size, but when i look at my send box, the
 jpeg are at 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] how it is possible!?

Its the result of two things:

1. you have TB configured to bind attachments only during sending

2. after sending, you moved or deleted the files you sent.

Now, TB doesn't know where the files are - and thus shows the
attachments as 0 bytes.

You can change this setting in Account / Properties / Files and
directories / Bind attachments...


 Elodie

PS: your messages are still missing the signature delimiter.


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Re: Auto forward leaves out attachment

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, May 31, 2006, 9:00:54 AM, you wrote:
PM Hi Gerard,

PM Tuesday, May 30, 2006, 10:11:07 PM, you wrote:
 I recently upgraded to version 3.80.06 and found that my filters that auto
 forward some received msgŽs leave out the attachment. Before you ask, no I
 do not have that option active in the filter :)

PM I have a similar problem with manually forwarding email from an IMAP
PM account. Is the account you are forwarding these messages from an IMAP
PM account?
Hi Paul,

No its not a IMAP account and in my cas it only happens when I do an
automatic forward using the filter system.

I have since switched back to version 3.71.03 and without making any
modifications the forwarding worked again. Definitely a bug.

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Re: Auto forward leaves out attachment

[Paul Meathrel]

Hi Gerard,

Tuesday, May 30, 2006, 10:11:07 PM, you wrote:
 I recently upgraded to version 3.80.06 and found that my filters that auto
 forward some received msgŽs leave out the attachment. Before you ask, no I
 do not have that option active in the filter :)

I have a similar problem with manually forwarding email from an IMAP
account. Is the account you are forwarding these messages from an IMAP
account?


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Auto forward leaves out attachment

[Gerard]

Hi Bat Users,

I recently upgraded to version 3.80.06 and found that my filters that auto
forward some received msgŽs leave out the attachment. Before you ask, no I
do not have that option active in the filter :)

Is this a know problem, because I did see some other forwarding problems
mentioned on earlier version.

For me this has always worked fine.


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Icons for files in attachment pane

[Philippe Macaire]

Hi all,

I noticed that sometimes the icons showing in the attachment pane do
not match the corresponding file type. For instance (see attached
image), an EML file is shown with an MS Project icon. In some rare
occasions it does not show at all.

I suspected my Windows XP SP2 to be corrupted in some way, but had it
installed from scratch a couple of months ago, and it did not change
anything to this behavior.


Does it happen to anybody else?


Thank you.


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Re: Icons for files in attachment pane

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Philippe,

On Tue, 23 May 2006 23:02:27 +0200 GMT (24/05/2006, 04:02 +0700 GMT),
Philippe Macaire wrote:

PM I noticed that sometimes the icons showing in the attachment pane do
PM not match the corresponding file type. For instance (see attached
PM image), an EML file is shown with an MS Project icon. In some rare
PM occasions it does not show at all.

Confirmed. It sometimes happens and sometimes not. PDF attachment is
shown with EML icon, DOC file with DAT icon, etc.

I have experienced this on both my machines (work and home), running
XP SP2, since upgrading to 3.80.03.

PM Does it happen to anybody else?

Yes. But since it doesn't happen all the time (only on some days), I
was looking for a pattern before reporting it. It's not really
important for myself, so I didn't even try restarting Windows, but
others might be more serious about it.

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Re: Attachment format (for SpamCop reporting)

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Cory,

on Thu, 04 May 2006 13:40:28 +0200GMT (04.05.2006, 13:40 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

C Could someone tell me if the format of forwarded attachments can be
C changed? My 3.80.03 creates the original message as attachment 1.EML,
C and from the errors I get returned I guess SpamCop is unable to work
C with that format and needs .MSG.

C BTW SpamCop reports headers not found even if I include the original
C spam's headers in the body of the forward. Anyone here who knows how
C to feed SpamCop via forwarded e-mail?

Unix mailbox is the format you need.

I created a common filter to be triggered manually via hotkey for Read
Messages containing two actions:

- Export message into Unix mailbox C:\temp\export.txt
- Create a new message for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Right click the second action and fill in the template:

%put='C:\temp\export.txt'%account=account_name

You can copy the complete filter and replace your_code and
account_name with your personal data (make sure to maximize this
message to avoid unwanted line breaks):

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [75A49840.01C4937D.35C282EC.57B6C2A0]
Name: Submit\20spam\20to\20SpamCop
Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ExportMessage Kludges OverwriteExist FmtUnix filename C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt 
filenamerelative C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt
CreateMessage template 
%put\3D\27C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt\27%account\3D\22account_name\22\0D\0A queue 
address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IsManual
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsSendQueue
endFilter

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Attachment format (for SpamCop reporting)

[Cory]

Hi 'Batters!
Could someone tell me if the format of forwarded attachments can be
changed? My 3.80.03 creates the original message as attachment 1.EML,
and from the errors I get returned I guess SpamCop is unable to work
with that format and needs .MSG.

BTW SpamCop reports headers not found even if I include the original
spam's headers in the body of the forward. Anyone here who knows how
to feed SpamCop via forwarded e-mail?

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Re: Send delete - attachment

[Fredrik Bergström]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:38:34 -0500 GMT, Nick wrote:

 Is there some way to use a filter to delete the attachment after
 sending, but save the message itself?

  If you store the attachments in a separate directory then it should
  be possible to create a bat-file that will delete
  myattachedfile*.dat or something like that and run that bat-file
  from a filter.

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Re: Send delete - attachment

[Nick Danger]

Reply to message sent 4/22/2006, @ 09:15:59 (2:15 AM Locally)
~~~

Hello Fredrik,

 If you store the attachments in a separate directory

I'm running Voyager and I don't believe that is an available option.
That's the main reason for my question, since I'm running Voyager from
a USB drive and I'll often need to e-mail clients large dwg files
while I'm at work I'd like to be able to automatically delete these
files but keep the message in my sent folder.

Now I just go in after the message is sent and manually delete the
attachments to keep from using up my USB space. I was just looking for
a way to automate this task if possible.

Thanks for the reply though!

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 Danger

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Send delete - attachment

[Nick Danger]

Hello,

Is there some way to use a filter to delete the attachment after
sending, but save the message itself?

Thanks,

-- 
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Re[2]: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Jenny Zonneveld]

Hello Bob,

Monday, January 30, 2006, 4:21:05 AM, you wrote:
BM G'day Marck,

BM Sunday, January 29, 2006, 7:09:39 PM, you wrote in response to my
BM question:

BM Anyone got any idea why The Bat! is sending the extra eml file, and
BM what it is intended to accomplish other than to boost the size of the
BM message?  I promised my B-I-L that I would ask the question for him.

 Because you told it to!

where is this setting? cos it happens to me and I'm sure I never told it too!



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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Jenny,

@30-Jan-2006, 10:39 +0100 (30-Jan 09:39 here) Jenny Zonneveld [JZ] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Bob:

BM Anyone got any idea why The Bat! is sending the extra eml file, and
BM what it is intended to accomplish other than to boost the size of the
BM message?  I promised my B-I-L that I would ask the question for him.

 Because you told it to!

JZ where is this setting? cos it happens to me and I'm sure I never told it 
too!

It seems that IMAP accounts default to use the Forward messages as
attachments setting in Account properties .. Templates .. Forward.
That's where you can find the setting.

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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Bob,

@29-Jan-2006, 15:41 +1000 (29-Jan 05:41 here) Bob Morris [BM] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

... snip

BM Anyone got any idea why The Bat! is sending the extra eml file, and
BM what it is intended to accomplish other than to boost the size of the
BM message?  I promised my B-I-L that I would ask the question for him.

Because you told it to!

This is a MIME forward aka Alternative forwarding. In this mode, TB
deliberately attaches a complete copy of the original email. This is
also the way AOL users forward messages. TB's difference is that it
attaches the copied email to a normal forward of the message. This is
less explainable. I can understand an overview of the text in the
covering message for the forward, but a complete content copy plus
images plus attachments? Very odd.

Of course, if you're not using MIME forwarding yourself, then you got
the original message *from* an AOL user and merely formatted what
you'd received. ;-)

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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Bob Morris]

G'day Marck,

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 7:09:39 PM, you wrote:

snipped


 This is a MIME forward aka Alternative forwarding. In this mode, TB
 deliberately attaches a complete copy of the original email. This is
 also the way AOL users forward messages. TB's difference is that it
 attaches the copied email to a normal forward of the message. This is
 less explainable. I can understand an overview of the text in the
 covering message for the forward, but a complete content copy plus
 images plus attachments? Very odd.

 Of course, if you're not using MIME forwarding yourself, then you got
 the original message *from* an AOL user and merely formatted what
 you'd received. ;-)


Thanks Marck, I've passed your reply on to my Brother-in-law.  It had
me stumped so your explanation was much appreciated.

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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[MAU]

Hello Marck,

 This is a MIME forward aka Alternative forwarding. In this mode, TB
 deliberately attaches a complete copy of the original email. This is
 also the way AOL users forward messages. TB's difference is that it
 attaches the copied email to a normal forward of the message. This is
 less explainable. I can understand an overview of the text in the
 covering message for the forward, but a complete content copy plus
 images plus attachments? Very odd.

That depends on your Forward template. If you have a nearly blank one
(i.e. just with %Cursor macro) you will only send the attachment plus
whatever you type.

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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Bob Morris]

G'day Marck,

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 7:09:39 PM, you wrote in response to my
question:

BM Anyone got any idea why The Bat! is sending the extra eml file, and
BM what it is intended to accomplish other than to boost the size of the
BM message?  I promised my B-I-L that I would ask the question for him.

 Because you told it to!

snipped

I got an indignant (tongue-in-cheek) response from my brother-in-law
when I sent him a copy of your reply.

*No I didn't!*

As a test he had set up a new account on The Bat!  and it defaulted to
the setting forward messages as attachments (MIME standard) with no
user intervention.  He then did a clean install on another computer -
set up a new account and once again it defaulted to that setting.  (In
both cases the accounts were IMAP.)

He obviously has too much time on his hands being able to do all this
experimenting ;-) .

On looking at my own installation I find that all six POP accounts
have the setting unticked, while my one IMAP account has it ticked. It
would appear that The Bat! applies different settings depending on
whether the account is POP or IMAP.

Not a problem as we now know why it was forwarding the eml attachment
and how to prevent it (if desired), but thought I would pass this on
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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Sunday, January 29, 2006, 9:21:05 PM, Bob Morris wrote:

 On looking at my own installation I find that all six POP accounts
 have the setting unticked, while my one IMAP account has it ticked.
 It would appear that The Bat! applies different settings depending
 on whether the account is POP or IMAP.

Confirmed. I'm sure I never ticked forwarding that way for my IMAP
account, and it hasn't been set that way for my POP accounts.

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Re: eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Bob,

@30-Jan-2006, 13:21 +1000 (30-Jan 03:21 here) Bob Morris [BM] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

... snip
BM Anyone got any idea why The Bat! is sending the extra eml file
... snip
 Because you told it to!

BM snipped

BM I got an indignant (tongue-in-cheek) response from my brother-in-law
BM when I sent him a copy of your reply.

BM *No I didn't!*

... snip

BM On looking at my own installation I find that all six POP accounts
BM have the setting unticked, while my one IMAP account has it ticked. It
BM would appear that The Bat! applies different settings depending on
BM whether the account is POP or IMAP.

That would explain it. I don't have any IMAP accounts at all.

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eml attachment when forwarding mail from The Bat!

[Bob Morris]

G'day TBUDL Members,

My brother-in-law (who likes to play around with different e-mail
programs) has just sent me the following observation about the way in
which The Bat! forwards messages.


 I just noticed something odd about the way the The Bat forwarded that
 email re Husbands of the Year. (I copied to myself at FastMail..which,
 ebing IMAP...meant I could view the forwarded email in various
 mailers).
 
 Anyway, the original email was ~ 140 k.
 
 When forwarded to you - using default settings in The Bat - it doubled
 in size.  That's because there was an *.eml part (~ 140 kb), plus html
 plus jpegs. ie The Bat was doubling up in effect.
 
 I guess ThunderBird (which currently is not on my computer) displayed
 this in a certain way.  Opera did too:
 it displayed the email properly, then also displayed the three pics
 below (as did Outlook Express).
 
 I just did the forwarding bit from Outlook Express and from Opera.
 Both forwarded the message as a 140 kb email, with html and 3 x jpeg
 parts...and no *.eml attachment.  ie they didn't double up like The
 Bat.
 
 Maybe The Bat has a very good reason for doing this: eg you have the
 option of saving the *.eml attachment??  I don't know.
 
 This is not meant to be a criticism of The Bat: just an observation.
 
 Steve
 

In The Bat! I can see the message normally, plus am able to open the
eml file which repeats the message complete with pictures.

In Mozilla Thunderbird I can open the message normally (although the
formatting is a bit scatty with pictures appended rather than being
in-line) and also see the pictures and the eml file as attachments.

If I try to open the eml file with Thunderbird the text content
(formatted in HTML) appears but all the pictures are just blank boxes
with red crosses just like when a remotely stored image is included in
a message. There appears to be picture attachments included but these
can neither be opened, viewed or saved.

I also tried PocoMail which could open the message normally as well as
being able to open the eml attachment (same as The Bat!).

I know that Outlook Express can view the eml file okay (I tested by
drag and drop), but I have no intention of setting it up to retrieve
mail from the server to see if it can read the original message
format.

Anyone got any idea why The Bat! is sending the extra eml file, and
what it is intended to accomplish other than to boost the size of the
message?  I promised my B-I-L that I would ask the question for him.


-- 
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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Ian A.White]

Hi,

I have my data back and the utility for getting any information from
WINMAIL.DAT files is a utility called WMPARSER. You can do a search on
Google for it. Some of the links it turns up don't go anywhere, so you
might have to try.

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Urban]

Wednesday, November 16, 2005, rich gregory wrote:

 The fentun product seems Netscape-centric. Any other ideas how one
 could see inside a winmail.dat file?

This should work, I think
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg34347.html

Else, there a few links at
http://dev.kanngard.net/Permalinks/ID_20050429165927.html
and an online conversion at http://tud.at/php/tnef/

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Ian A.White]

Admin,

On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, 7:53:10 AM, you (Admin at AK) wrote:

AaA see subject

Actually I had a program that would parse the WINMAIL.DAT file after
it was saved to disk. Unfortunately it is on the hard disk that is
with a data recovery service and my backups were corrupted.

When I get the disk back (hopefully with the data) I will let you know
what it is.

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 at 17:12:08 -0500, Rich wrote:
 The fentun product seems Netscape-centric. Any other ideas how one
 could see inside a winmail.dat file?

 (Windows w/ IE browser)

I don't use it with a browser at all. As I recall you can:
   * use a command line with a single argument (the winmail.dat file)
   * drag a winmail.dat file to the fentun.exe file in windows explorer
 and drop it
   * put a shortcut to fentun.exe in your C:\Documents and 
Settings\username\SendTo
 directory and then right click on the winmail.dat file and send to fentun

I use the third of these options.

There is another application, WMDecode, at www.biblet.com. You could try
that if you don't like Fentun.

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What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Admin at AK]

see subject

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Marten Gallagher]

 see subject

Oh dear I should have done what I tell everyone who asks me questions...

google it

Answered - FTWNTK:

Data file added by Outlook when sending in RTF format (i.e: not plain text)
to 'maintain the look and feel of the original message as sent'.

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Chris]

Admin at AK @ 11/15/2005 2:53:10 PM
What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [What is winmail.dat file attachment?]

It is probably from someone using Outlook who is writing you in
rich-text format. To extract it, try using this free (as in freedom)
utility:

http://tnef.sourceforge.net/

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Re[2]: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Marten Gallagher]

 Admin at AK @ 11/15/2005 2:53:10 PM
 What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM
 mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [What is winmail.dat file attachment?]

 It is probably from someone using Outlook who is writing you in
 rich-text format. To extract it, try using this free (as in freedom)
 utility:

 http://tnef.sourceforge.net/

Thanks but that seems to be a Unix thingy - now I know what a win mail.dat file 
is I'll
just delete it. Now if there was a way for TB to do that automatically - cool.

BTW your message came through with a part.txt attachment - it was the TB 
current version
data.

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Marten,

@15-Nov-2005, 21:22 Marten Gallagher [MG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Chris:

MG BTW your message came through with a part.txt attachment - it was
MG the TB current version data.

Chris's message was (as is mine) signed with a PGP/MIME signature. The
difference between a normal plain text clear signed message and a
PGP/MIME signed is that this MIME signing adds an attachment to the
message. This attachment contains the signature data.

Now - this is where clever-server-mode kicks in. When there is a MIME
attachment, any footer to be added by the list server has to go as an
attachment following any other attachments already present.

Thus - you see a part.txt containing the list footer.

Does that help?

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Re: What is winmail.dat file attachment? EOM

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 at 21:22:04 +, Marten wrote:
 It is probably from someone using Outlook who is writing you in
 rich-text format. To extract it, try using this free (as in freedom)
 utility:

 http://tnef.sourceforge.net/

 Thanks but that seems to be a Unix thingy - now I know what a win mail.dat 
 file is I'll
 just delete it. Now if there was a way for TB to do that automatically - cool.

Sometimes the winmail.dat file contains attachments that you actually
need. Try Fentun at http://www.fentun.com/ for a windows decoder.

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