Re: Still Folder vs AB templates

[Allie Martin]

Maria Cristina Ramos, [MCR] wrote:

>   I have your photo, no confusion here.

Yeah. The rogue is a godsend for me. ;)

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Re[2]: Still Folder vs AB templates

[Maria Cristina Ramos]

Hello Allie,

 On 03 October 2004 at 18:31:13GMT -0500 (which was 00:31 where I live) Allie Martin 
wrote and made these points on the subject of "Still Folder vs AB templates":

AM> Do you have a %from macro defined in your address book template? That
AM> will override the identity setting in the folder template.

I don't have a %from macro defined. And I don't have a folder template
either. It's the Identity Tab in the Folder Options I'm talking about.

AM> My name is Allie Curtis, and maybe I should make myself be called
AM> Curtis online. Avoids confusion with the guessing. :)

:lol: I have your photo, no confusion here.

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Re: Still Folder vs AB templates

[Allie Martin]

Maria Cristina Ramos, [MCR] wrote:

>  I've just noticed that since I've started using the AB templates, my
>  Identity option in Folder option doesn't work.

Do you have a %from macro defined in your address book template? That
will override the identity setting in the folder template.

>  My proper name is Maria Cristina, but people normally call me
>  Cristina.

My name is Allie Curtis, and maybe I should make myself be called
Curtis online. Avoids confusion with the guessing. :)

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Still Folder vs AB templates

[Maria Cristina Ramos]

Hello,

 I've just noticed that since I've started using the AB templates, my
 Identity option in Folder option doesn't work.

 My proper name is Maria Cristina, but people normally call me
 Cristina. However, I like to have my full name in the Account
 properties because I use it very often (btw, it's not my full name at
 all, I have 4 more surnames before the last one; we tend to exaggerate
 here in Portugal).

 In my folders options for the TB lists, I changed my From Information
 and Reply-to Information for Cristina Ramos (dropping Maria). That
 way, when people answered my messages, they started with "Hello
 Cristina". But now my From field shows "Maria Cristina Ramos" and I
 started receiving messages with "Hello Maria".

 I haven't changed my Identity options in those folders. Why do the AB
 templates prevent this option to work? It's not a folder template
 option; it's a folder option. And I'm inside the folder when I click
 reply.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:16:26 +0100 GMT (24/11/2003, 22:16 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> I'm not sure you are confirming what I say.

> No, I am not. If I have no double entries, even in different ABs, the
> auto-complete gets the proper AB template.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

>>> Is it a bug yet?
> 
>> I consider it so.
> 
> I'm not sure you are confirming what I say.

No, I am not. If I have no double entries, even in different ABs, the
auto-complete gets the proper AB template.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:45:53 +0100 GMT (24/11/2003, 19:45 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> Not over here, as I have only one AB entry for my sister. When I
>> create a new message using right-click (i.e. activating Favourites)
>> the AB's New Message template kicks in; if I use autocomplete from
>> history instead, I get the Account template.

> I have seen this behaviour just over the weekend. The AB New Message
> template kicks in is double clicking on AB itself or from Favourites,
> and I get the Account template if autocomplete.

ACK.

> However, in my case, this happened ONLY with AB entries which had a
> duplicate in another AB, one I use to do a mailout of a newsletter. So,
> there is no duplication within my main and default AB, but the same
> e-mail address (no name or anything else) does have an entry in another
> AB.

Strange, over here I have no double entries (sure). I have only two
addressbooks, one for university contacts and the other for
everyone else.

>> Is it a bug yet?

> I consider it so.

I'm not sure you are confirming what I say.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

>> No - it would be a duplicate AB entry outside of the group.
> 
> Not over here, as I have only one AB entry for my sister. When I
> create a new message using right-click (i.e. activating Favourites)
> the AB's New Message template kicks in; if I use autocomplete from
> history instead, I get the Account template.

I have seen this behaviour just over the weekend. The AB New Message
template kicks in is double clicking on AB itself or from Favourites,
and I get the Account template if autocomplete.

However, in my case, this happened ONLY with AB entries which had a
duplicate in another AB, one I use to do a mailout of a newsletter. So,
there is no duplication within my main and default AB, but the same
e-mail address (no name or anything else) does have an entry in another
AB.

> Is it a bug yet?

I consider it so.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:53:52 + GMT (19/11/2003, 23:53 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

>>> Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the
>>> default account templates rather than the group.

>> Oops, that would be a bug, wouldn't it?

> No - it would be a duplicate AB entry outside of the group.

Not over here, as I have only one AB entry for my sister. When I
create a new message using right-click (i.e. activating Favourites)
the AB's New Message template kicks in; if I use autocomplete from
history instead, I get the Account template.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Nick,

@19-Nov-2003, 17:16 Nick Dutton said to Marck:

MDP>> And I still call it a duplicate entry issue. I have this
MDP>> problem often and it sometimes takes me ages to track down the
MDP>> duplicate entry but there always is one and getting rid of it
MDP>> always fixes the problem.

> But if I've created a _new_ group from two _new_ contacts?

Then it's a bug and I'm talking rubbish :-).

... just as long as you're certain those email addresses really
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Re: AB templates for groups

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Marck,

Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 16:53, you wrote:
>> I confirm this, and still call it a bug.

MDP> And I still call it a duplicate entry issue. I have this problem
MDP> often and it sometimes takes me ages to track down the duplicate
MDP> entry but there always is one and getting rid of it always fixes the
MDP> problem.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Thomas,

@19-Nov-2003, 22:32 +0700 (19-Nov 15:32 UK time) Thomas Fernandez
said to Nick:

TF>>> AB templates have preference over group templates.

>> Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the
>> default account templates rather than the group.

> Oops, that would be a bug, wouldn't it?

No - it would be a duplicate AB entry outside of the group.

>> However, upon further investigation,this behaviour relates to
>> auto-complete in the "To:" box.

> I confirm this, and still call it a bug.

And I still call it a duplicate entry issue. I have this problem
often and it sometimes takes me ages to track down the duplicate
entry but there always is one and getting rid of it always fixes the
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Re: AB templates for groups

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 15:32, you wrote:
TF>>> AB templates have preference over group templates.

>> Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the
>> default account templates rather than the group.

TF> Oops, that would be a bug, wouldn't it?

Phew, thanks for that. TB!'s general robustness always makes me
think that _I'm_ the one at fault - with "good old" microsoft I just
assume that it's ropey code and get on with my life.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Nick,

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:53:49 + GMT (19/11/2003, 21:53 +0700 GMT),
Nick Dutton wrote:

TF>> AB templates have preference over group templates.

> Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the
> default account templates rather than the group.

Oops, that would be a bug, wouldn't it?

> However, upon further investigation,this behaviour relates to
> auto-complete in the "To:" box.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Nick,

@19-Nov-2003, 14:53 Nick Dutton said to Thomas:

TF>> AB templates have preference over group templates.

> Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the
> default account templates rather than the group.

> ... auto-complete in the "To:" box. If I create the message from
> the group folder in the address book then pop-up the template
> works properly.

> Any more ideas?

Yes. You have more than one entry for the individuals in question.
The other address book entry doesn't have a template and is taking
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Re: AB templates for groups

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 13:03, you wrote:
>> I've recently purged all my folder templates, and replaced them with
>> AB templates, as suggested in recent posts.  Now I'm left with the
>> problem that I can't get group-specific templates to work.

TF> AB templates have preference over group templates.

Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the
default account templates rather than the group.

However, upon further investigation,this behaviour relates to
auto-complete in the "To:" box. If I create the message from the
group folder in the address book then pop-up the template works
properly.

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Re: AB templates for groups

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Nick,

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:53:01 + GMT (19/11/2003, 17:53 +0700 GMT),
Nick Dutton wrote:

> I've recently purged all my folder templates, and replaced them with
> AB templates, as suggested in recent posts.  Now I'm left with the
> problem that I can't get group-specific templates to work.

AB templates have preference over group templates.

Preference (priority) ranking from low to high:

Account
Folder
Group
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Re: AB templates for groups

[MAU]

Hello Nick,

> I've recently purged all my folder templates, and replaced them with
> AB templates, as suggested in recent posts. Now I'm left with the
> problem that I can't get group-specific templates to work.

I assume you have ticked the "Use group-specific template" for new
messages and replies on the groups properties. If so, what do you really
mean "you can't get them to work"?

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AB templates for groups

[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

I've recently purged all my folder templates, and replaced them with
AB templates, as suggested in recent posts.  Now I'm left with the
problem that I can't get group-specific templates to work.

I've tried making the group membership exclusive and still no joy.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Nick,

@20-Oct-2003, 11:18 -0700 (19:18 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

NA> ... "Use a specific template for...", and then making sure there
NA> were no Folder or Account level templates.

NA> I've done that, but my replies show up empty...

An empty folder template may supersede an AB template. Copy the
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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Luc]

Good afternoon Nick,
  
It was foretold that on 21-10-2003 @ 19:50:21 GMT-0700 (which was
4:50:21 where I live) Nick Andriash would mumble:
  


NA> For now, I've given up on AB level templates and will go with one
NA> Account level template.
  
Yes but how do you solve the following situation:

AB x & AB y: entry "john Doe" belongs to both AB's with different
templates and different mail address: will the account level pick up?

And what if you you have "john Doe" in 1 AB and also somebody else
that needs an entirely different template? Using a macro for that
different template and if so, how to invoke that? Manual?

Simpler said: a template on account level gives you one template but
what if you need different templates in the same AB?

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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

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On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 4:28:52 PM, Luc wrote:

> Same  problem for me (as Roelof already knows). "Two entries" meaning
> the  same  contacts  but  with  a  different mail addie and different
> templates? And that messes TB up?

For now, I've given up on AB level templates and will go with one
Account level template. I too think it's a corrupt AB, but I've deleted
the darn thing and started from scratch... you can't get much more
pristine an AB than that and still it acts like it's corrupted. Perhaps
there is a Registry entry that is causing all this.

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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Nick Andriash]

> It sounds like the old "two entries in the AB" issue to me. If there
> is a second AB entry it may be overriding your nice templates.

Yes, it does... but in this case I cannot see where that is possible. I
have a brand new Address Book... in fact, TBUDL is the 'only' address I
have in there. I cannot get the template to work either by bringing up
my Template through the "Insert Template..." option in the AB, or by
typing the entire Template in the AB entry itself.

I vaguely remember this very same thing happening to me when I first
started using TB way back when... and if memory serves, it was a corrupt
AB. I've deleted the AB and created a new one with only TBUDL as the
lone entry... so aside from that, I don't know where else to look.

I'll keep plugging away at it to find why AB Templates won't work for
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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Luc]

Hello Marck,
  
It was foretold that on 21-10-2003 @ 23:22:15 GMT+0100 (which was
0:22:15 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone would mumble:
  


MDP> It sounds like the old "two entries in the AB" issue to me. If there
MDP> is a second AB entry it may be overriding your nice templates.
  
 Same  problem for me (as Roelof already knows). "Two entries" meaning
 the  same  contacts  but  with  a  different mail addie and different
 templates? And that messes TB up?
 
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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Nick,

@20-Oct-2003, 11:18 -0700 (19:18 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

NA> I've done that, but my replies show up empty... just addressed
NA> properly with the right subject and what not, but there are no
NA> quotes.

It sounds like the old "two entries in the AB" issue to me. If there
is a second AB entry it may be overriding your nice templates.

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Re: Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:18:19 -0700GMT (20-10-03, 20:18 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

NA> I'm probably missing something here, but to the best of my knowledge
NA> I've always been able to invoke AB level Templates by checking the check
NA> box labelled "Use a specific template for...", and then making sure
NA> there were no Folder or Account level templates.

The presence of folder or account level templates doesn't matter for
the functioning of AB templates, because the latter take precedence.
However, when your folder and account templates don't exist (are
empty) and your AB templates aren't used then it's likely that your
(almost) empty account templates is used.
It's likely therefore that you've got multiple entries in your AB for
those contacts that quote empty. Some entries with a proper template
and some without any. Due to the interaction of the demon Murphy TB
is likely to pick the wrong entry to check for AB templates.

So check for multiple entries for the same contact in your Address
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Cannot Invoke AB Templates?

[Nick Andriash]

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I'm probably missing something here, but to the best of my knowledge
I've always been able to invoke AB level Templates by checking the check
box labelled "Use a specific template for...", and then making sure
there were no Folder or Account level templates.

I've done that, but my replies show up empty... just addressed properly
with the right subject and what not, but there are no quotes. If I use
the same template file in a Folder level Template, there are no problems
but I cannot do the same at the AB level. Is there a check box or
something in the options I am missing?

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Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates

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Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 12:31:57 PM, MAU wrote:
M> You owe me a beer ;-)

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Re: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[MAU]

Hello Dave,

> Good suggestion!  I've already implemented it.

If you have been around this list for at least a couple of weeks, you
probably know what saying something like that means:

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Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:59:22 AM, MAU wrote:
>> How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
>> defaulting to the account-level templates?

M> There is no direct and easy way to tell 

M> I have used the %ACCOUNT macro with the account name (i.e.
M> %ACCOUNT="MAU", which is not at all needed). This tells me it
M> is a default template 

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Re[2]: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:03:15 AM, Roelof wrote:
R> That's because when you don't define folder templates, you
R> still see them, but they're identical to your account
R> templates.

Right.  Which begs my main question:

How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
defaulting to the account-level templates?

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Re: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[MAU]

Hello Dave,

> How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
> defaulting to the account-level templates?

There is no direct and easy way to tell, specially if the templates are
similar and I think TB should somehow indicate this in the folder
Properties.

Contrary to the recommendations some TBUDL members, because of the risks
involved in using them, I do use folder templates quite a bit and what I
have done is to include some "redundant and transparent" information in
my default account templates. In some accounts, like in the one I'm
using now, I have used the %ACCOUNT macro with the account name (i.e.
%ACCOUNT="MAU", which is not at all needed). This tells me it is a
default template even though I may see it when looking at some folder
Properties.

I have also used this in some other accounts:
%BCC="This is a Default template"%BCC=""
But you can use other macros like COMMENT:
%COMMENT="This is default"%COMMENT=""

HTH

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Re: Folder templates vs. AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dave,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:28:00 -0400GMT (23-9-03, 13:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

DK> What surprised me is I couldn't tell the difference between the
DK> folder templates for the rest of my folders, including TBOT, and
DK> the account-level templates.

That's because when you don't define folder templates, you still see
them, but they're identical to your account templates. They stay the
same with every change of your account templates until you edit the
folder template.

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[Dave Kennedy]

How do I tell if a folder has templates set for it rather than
defaulting to the account-level templates?

Details... In cleaning up my TBUDL & TBOT templates, I was
checking the folder templates for each. Before I learned about AB
templates, I had set up folder templates for TBUDL, so I expected
to find something there and did.

What surprised me is I couldn't tell the difference between the
folder templates for the rest of my folders, including TBOT, and
the account-level templates.

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Re: AB templates?

[tracer]

Hello mm Meister,

AM>> This sounds like your computer is busy with another process and
AM>> this is affecting the editor. This happens to me as well when I'm
AM>> doing a lot of things concurrently, especially CPU intensive
AM>> things.


> That describes exactly the problem I used to have before getting the
> new machine. The way I remedied it was to turn off the flying bat and
> the ticker. I didn't get as much letter dropping or hesitations after
> that.

Get rid of active desktop if you are using it..
Set all that display stuff to standard  or better style like 98.
Donot run too much stuff at the same time
Use enough memory
No idea what you are using but believe me, most systems are running
less memory then they need.
I often make my customers the offer that I will fit extra ram free of
charge, ie I remove it if they donot want it. Most see so much speed
difference they want to keep what I put in
If you run anything like Xp or 2000, consider that the faster the
processor, the more ram you need to buffer between hard disk /
processor as afterall the hard disk is the stone behind your
computer and slowing it down.
if you run many internet tasks, multiple downloads or whatever enough
memory is a must.


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Re[2]: AB templates?

[mm Meister]

Hello Allie,

Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 5:45:50 PM, you wrote:

AM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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AM> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
AM> Mark Partous [MP] wrote:'

MP>> Seriously, while typing in The Bat, it often happens one or other
MP>> letter seems to be missing. :-( And yes, I am sure I did type it!
MP>> Even just now, the "y" in "type" was missing. Seems to occur while
MP>> the computer is checking something... In the Taskbar, I see the
MP>> "Bericht bewerken" ("edit message"?) lighting up and the prompt
MP>> freezes for a second (actually less than a second).

AM> This sounds like your computer is busy with another process and
AM> this is affecting the editor. This happens to me as well when I'm
AM> doing a lot of things concurrently, especially CPU intensive
AM> things.


That describes exactly the problem I used to have before getting the
new machine. The way I remedied it was to turn off the flying bat and
the ticker. I didn't get as much letter dropping or hesitations after
that.

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Re: AB templates?

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Mark Partous [MP] wrote:'

MP> Seriously, while typing in The Bat, it often happens one or other
MP> letter seems to be missing. :-( And yes, I am sure I did type it!
MP> Even just now, the "y" in "type" was missing. Seems to occur while
MP> the computer is checking something... In the Taskbar, I see the
MP> "Bericht bewerken" ("edit message"?) lighting up and the prompt
MP> freezes for a second (actually less than a second).

This sounds like your computer is busy with another process and
this is affecting the editor. This happens to me as well when I'm
doing a lot of things concurrently, especially CPU intensive
things.

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Re: AB templates?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Paul,

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:06:37 -0500GMT (21-1-03, 15:06 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

PC> well, this is puzzling me. I have an AB entry for a person, and a
PC> new message template. When I start on the To: line, and start

Do you per chance have multiple address book entries ffor that
contact?

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Re[2]: AB templates?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Mark,

Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 3:12:20 PM, you wrote:

MP> Hello Paul,

MP> I think there's some kind of conflict between to templates.

Should have been "two" instead of "to", of course.
I don't know what's going on: is it The Bat that can't keep up with
my typing-speed, or what? :-)

Seriously, while typing in The Bat, it often happens one or other
letter seems to be missing. :-(  And yes, I am sure I did type it!
Even just now, the "y" in "type" was missing. Seems to occur while the
computer is checking something... In the Taskbar, I see the "Bericht
bewerken" ("edit message"?) lighting up and the prompt freezes for a
second (actually less than a second).

Well, not a big deal, but at least, now you know (the "k" was missing!)
what the reason is why sometimes you might encounter misspelled words
in my messages! :-)

In french (not my mother tongue) they say:
"Les excuses sont fait pour s'en servir" :-)
(pretexts are made to be used)

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Re: AB templates?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 9:12 AM, you wrote:

MP> Hello Paul,

MP> Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 3:06:37 PM, you wrote:

PC>> but when I double-click the AB entry and tab down, it uses the AB new
PC>> message template I created. Any ideas??

MP> Does the person belong to a group for which you have created another
MP> new message template.

MP> I think there's some kind of conflict between to templates.

yup, I found it. My wife had ANOTHER group, with that name in it with NO
template...


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Re: AB templates?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Paul,

Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 3:06:37 PM, you wrote:

PC> well, this is puzzling me.
PC> I have an AB entry for a person, and a new message template. When I
PC> start on the To: line, and start typing the domain part of the address,
PC> like "HER_ISP.com" it autofills in the correct email address. Then when
PC> I tab down to the body it starts with
PC> Hello email_ID,   ( the email part of the email_ID @HER_ISP.com)

PC> but when I double-click the AB entry and tab down, it uses the AB new
PC> message template I created. Any ideas??

Does the person belong to a group for which you have created another
new message template.

I think there's some kind of conflict between to templates.

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AB templates?

[Paul Cartwright]

well, this is puzzling me.
I have an AB entry for a person, and a new message template. When I
start on the To: line, and start typing the domain part of the address,
like "HER_ISP.com" it autofills in the correct email address. Then when
I tab down to the body it starts with
Hello email_ID,   ( the email part of the email_ID @HER_ISP.com)

but when I double-click the AB entry and tab down, it uses the AB new
message template I created. Any ideas??



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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:47:54 +0100GMT (4-12-02, 0:47 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

PF> My point is that even if I change _before_ I start typing the
PF> signature does not always change!

That might have something to do with active AB templates.


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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:47:54 +0100GMT (4-12-02, 0:47 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

PF> Thanks. This will work. Of course this will not send a message to
PF> both the list and the author in one go, but it's a way around the
PF> problem.

Oh yes it will. But only if you define an address book template forb
that list that'll make it do so.

Just add something like %to='%OFrom' in the template.


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Re: AB templates

[Peter Fjelsten]

Roelof,

On 04-12-2002 00:40, you [R] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
R> I suppose that while reading your messages, you're having the headers
R> of the message shown too. As the general list setup is such that the
R> messages have the list address as To: address, you can right click
R> the To:-header (the list address) and you'll get a four option menu.
R> Select 'Reply to this address' and you're done, now you can use
R> whatever template you'd like.

Thanks. This will work. Of course this will not send a message to both
the list and the author in one go, but it's a way around the problem.
Another way is to make a QT that you call before you begin typing the
reply.

R> This is an area that's not totally clear, since you've got two
R> different address books.

My mistake. I should have been more clear. I meant two AB _groups_.

R> Before importing the addresses in this one AB first create the group
R> that you'd like to have preference. The order the groups are
R> encountered (and they're shown in creation order) is the preference
R> the matching 'address book group templates' have.

OK, I thought this might have something to do with things so I tried
renaming the AB groups.

R> If you'd like to use the active account for those contacts of 'mixed
R> spirits', create a third address book group (however, you'd need to
R> create it first) and give it AB group templates that don't change the
R> account.

Hmm. That's a definite possibility but it sounds like a lot of work.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it.

PF>> |  Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a
PF>> |  mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the
PF>> |  signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels "buggy".

R> That's the way it's supposed to work. As long as you haven't typed a
R> letter in the body, you can change the template since it isn't fixed
R> yet. If that isn't what you want, start typing in the body before you
R> change the account.

My point is that even if I change _before_ I start typing the signature
does not always change!

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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:54:00 +0100GMT (3-12-02, 23:54 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

PF>   One aspect of TB is starting to annoy me. On some mailing lists the
PF>   sender of the original mail is in the From field. Sometimes I have
PF>   this original sender in an address book group (with an attached AB
PF>   template) so on replying I get the AB template of the _sender_ and not
PF>   of the list which I want to use when I reply to sender and the list
PF>   (reply all).

I suppose that while reading your messages, you're having the headers
of the message shown too. As the general list setup is such that the
messages have the list address as To: address, you can right click the
To:-header (the list address) and you'll get a four option menu.
Select 'Reply to this address' and you're done, now you can use
whatever template you'd like.


What your other problems concern

PF> |  When I reply to friends (in AB Y) who are _also_ customers (in AB X),
PF> |  the account automatically changes to B, although account A is "active".
PF> |  This makes perfect sense.
PF> | 
PF> |  How do I avoid this? Folder templates? And how do I fix it for new
PF> |  messages?

Folder templates won't do the trick, AB templates have preference.

This is an area that's not totally clear, since you've got two
different address books. The best way would be to have only one
address book (shared by all accounts). Create in this one address book
two groups, a business group and a friends group. Before importing the
addresses in this one AB first create the group that you'd like to
have preference. The order the groups are encountered (and they're
shown in creation order) is the preference the matching 'address book
group templates' have.
So if you'd like to address friends in business with your business
account, you create the business account first. If you'd like your
friends account to be used for them, create the friends group first.
If you'd like to use the active account for those contacts of 'mixed
spirits', create a third address book group (however, you'd need to
create it first) and give it AB group templates that don't change
the account.

PF> |  Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a
PF> |  mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the
PF> |  signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels "buggy".

That's the way it's supposed to work. As long as you haven't typed a
letter in the body, you can change the template since it isn't fixed
yet. If that isn't what you want, start typing in the body before you
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AB templates

[Peter Fjelsten]

TheBat-users,

  One aspect of TB is starting to annoy me. On some mailing lists the
  sender of the original mail is in the From field. Sometimes I have
  this original sender in an address book group (with an attached AB
  template) so on replying I get the AB template of the _sender_ and not
  of the list which I want to use when I reply to sender and the list
  (reply all).

  Can anything be done about this?

  I have the problem with other aspects a well (as witnessed below).

  _Please_ help.

,- [ Mail of Nov 22nd to TBUDL ]
|  I have a company (Account A) and all customers are automatically added
|  to an address book group, let's call it X.
| 
|  I have some friends in another address book (Y). The address book is
|  set so that replies to members of that group is automatically sent from
|  Account B.
| 
|  When I reply to friends (in AB Y) who are _also_ customers (in AB X),
|  the account automatically changes to B, although account A is "active".
|  This makes perfect sense.
| 
|  How do I avoid this? Folder templates? And how do I fix it for new
|  messages?
| 
|  Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a
|  mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the
|  signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels "buggy".
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Re: AB templates

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 11:13:28 PM, you wrote:

>> I hope this doesn't happen since I'd spend a lot of time selecting
>> templates from a menu.

JA> What I meant would be to keep the default system as is, ie if there is
JA> an AB template use that, but from the menu allow them to select a
JA> different level such as AB Group template.


Hi Jonathan,
I seem to remember that someone once made a QT that generated a table in
the editor with choices for templates. You will have to search the
archive or someone with a better memory then mine might point you to it.

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Re: AB templates

[Allie C Martin]

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Lynn Turriff [LT] wrote:'

LT> I had a look, but I don't think I have any of these. I know I
LT> don't on the ones I tried. It's a big enough ab that it's not
LT> real easy to comb it, but the ones I tried were OK. I'll watch
LT> for them ... but what about contacts who actually do have
LT> several different addresses? The same template will suffice for
LT> all of them, in this case, but how do you handle that?

Adding multiple addresses to the same entry doesn't create a
problem. What does is having more than one of the same address
listed in the entry. For example, when I had a problem with an
address book template being applied, I checked the entry and saw
something like this in the e-mail address field:

address1
address1
address2

God only knows why address1 came to be listed twice but it breaks
the appropriate application of the template.

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Re: AB templates

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On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote...

JA>> Or provide a menu to select the template level, AB, AB Group,
JA>> Account etc.

> I hope this doesn't happen since I'd spend a lot of time selecting
> templates from a menu.

What I meant would be to keep the default system as is, ie if there is
an AB template use that, but from the menu allow them to select a
different level such as AB Group template.

> Once the method of template selection is understood one can work
> with it. I also keep all my signatures as QT's. If a template is
> applied through TB!'s selection system and I wish to change it, I
> just apply the relevant QT. This isn't often, so it's perfectly
> acceptable to manually apply the odd template.

I guess that'd work too ;)

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'

JA> Or provide a menu to select the template level, AB, AB Group,
JA> Account etc.

I hope this doesn't happen since I'd spend a lot of time selecting
templates from a menu.

Once the method of template selection is understood one can work
with it. I also keep all my signatures as QT's. If a template is
applied through TB!'s selection system and I wish to change it, I
just apply the relevant QT. This isn't often, so it's perfectly
acceptable to manually apply the odd template.

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Re: AB templates

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 10:12:44 PM, you wrote:

B> Yeesh. It would be far simpler if TB would assign a template based on
B> how the name was selected out of the AB. If it was selected from the
B> PAB and not from a group, then use the default account template.
B> Simple. But it doesn't.

Well, it makes sense to me.

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On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, Blarp wrote...

> Yeesh. It would be far simpler if TB would assign a template based
> on how the name was selected out of the AB. If it was selected from
> the PAB and not from a group, then use the default account template.
> Simple. But it doesn't.

Or provide a menu to select the template level, AB, AB Group, Account
etc.

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Re: AB templates

[Blarp]

Hi Gerard,

G> If you also want to use an other template you will either have to make
G> the person a member of a group with NO template, which will cause the
G> default account template to be used or give this person his own personal
G> template.

Yeesh. It would be far simpler if TB would assign a template based on
how the name was selected out of the AB. If it was selected from the
PAB and not from a group, then use the default account template.
Simple. But it doesn't.

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Re: AB templates

[Thomas F.]

Hello Lynn,

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:13:29 -0700 GMT (24/09/02, 21:13 +0700 GMT),
Lynn Turriff wrote:

LT> but what about contacts who actually do have several different
LT> addresses? The same template will suffice for all of them, in this
LT> case, but how do you handle that?

I put all the addresses into the same AB entry. This way, the same
template is used.

If you don't want to do that, create different AB entries for the
different addresses. TB checks based on email-addresses.

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Re: AB templates

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 8:38:43 PM, you wrote:

B> Joe is a member of Group A, Group B and the main Personal Address
B> Book. Assume Group B has a template defined. If I write an e-mail to Joe
B> by selecting his name from the PAB and choosing New Message, the
B> editor will use the template for Group B instead of the default
B> template for the account.

B> That makes it useless IMHO.


Hi Blarp,

It all depends on how you select the name.
If a person is a member of ANY group that template will always take
precedence over the account template.
If someone is a member of more than one group you need the select the
name in the PAB group which template you want to use. In your example
above you will need that select the name in either group A or Group B to
use the respective templates.

If you also want to use an other template you will either have to make
the person a member of a group with NO template, which will cause the
default account template to be used or give this person his own personal
template.

In short, the templates are far from useless, you need to understand how
they work and how they take precedence over each other. It is quite
logical once you see the light :-)

I hope this makes sense :-)


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Re: AB templates

[Blarp]

Hi Marck,

MDP> What I have found is that the groups are effective in order of
MDP> appearance. This may be affected by order of creation. So if you
MDP> arrange your groups in an order of precedence then dual membership
MDP> needn't be an issue. It works well for me.

Here's what happens:

Joe is a member of Group A, Group B and the main Personal Address
Book. Assume Group B has a template defined. If I write an e-mail to Joe
by selecting his name from the PAB and choosing New Message, the
editor will use the template for Group B instead of the default
template for the account.

That makes it useless IMHO.

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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:10:02 -0700GMT (24-9-02, 16:10 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RO>> No, the only check boxes involved are those to be able to insert
RO>> an address book template.

LT> This is the one on the tab where you actually build the ab
LT> template ..?

Yep.

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Re[2]: AB templates

[Lynn Turriff]

Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 3:48:06 AM, you wrote:

ACM> There's another thing that breaks the address book templates being
ACM> auto-applied as they should. This is when you have a single entry
ACM> but there are multiple addresses entered with duplication of one or
ACM> more of them. The even funnier thing is that when I see this
ACM> problem/corrupted entry, I *know* that I didn't do it. Deleting the
ACM> duplicated addresses fixes the problem.


I had a look, but I don't think I have any of these. I
know I don't on the ones I tried. It's a big enough ab
that it's not real easy to comb it, but the ones I tried
were OK. I'll watch for them ... but what about contacts
who actually do have several different addresses? The same
template will suffice for all of them, in this case, but
how do you handle that?

tnx ..

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Re[2]: AB templates

[Lynn Turriff]

Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 1:39:47 AM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Lynn,

RO> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:54:24 -0700GMT (23-9-02, 18:54 +0200GMT, where
RO> I live), you wrote:

LT>> After reading so many posts about the AB templates (but
LT>> without any real instructions), I decided to give them a
LT>> shot.

RO> OK, let's go for some instructions.

RO> There are four different sets of templates in TB and they're used in
RO> this priority:
RO> Address Book personal templates

These were what I was making.

RO> Address Book group templates

Didn't make any of these

RO> Folder templates

Got these, they work well except ..

RO> Account templates

Also got these, they work fine too, except

RO> (Actually there's still another set, the Quick Templates, but those
RO> have a different functionality.)

Don't have any of those, unless there are some defaults
somewhere

[snip]


RO> As soon as you create a folder a set of folder templates is dropped
RO> into the folder properties. They are the same as your account
RO> templates and they stay synchronized with those as long as you don't
RO> change them. That's to say that when you change the reply template for
RO> a folder that one stays fixed. When you edit the account reply
RO> template afterwards the folder reply template won't change with it.
RO> However if you change the account new message template, the folder new
RO> message template will synchronize neatly. (Unless you've edited that
RO> one too.)

OK, that seems to work fine. I've had those a long time.

RO> Folder templates can be very easy to work with, but they include one
RO> very big danger. That danger is when you put a %to or %cc macro in it.
RO> Suppose you filter all messages from the list tbudl to a folder tbudl,
RO> and you create a new message folder template with
RO> %to="[EMAIL PROTECTED]", that's real nice, next time you create
RO> a new message in the tbudl folder it goes straight to the list without
RO> you memorizing the address. Well, next time you open your address book
RO> and pick a close friend to send him a message, that's fine, but you
RO> forgot to check the highlighted folder and so the message goes to
RO> tbudl too, with all embarrassing juicy stories. Don't say it won't
RO> happen to you, it happens to all of them. So don't use a %to macro in
RO> a folder template without a fail safe like:
RO> %IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" this
RO> macro checks whether there are any recipients and only if there aren't
RO> any a new recipient is created.

I'll bear this in mind, but haven't got any of those
macros in use, so so far have been safe :-)

RO> Address book templates are created differently, they're not created
RO> when you create a new contact or group, but when you check the box the
RO> box at the properties that says 'Use a specific template for .'
RO> This is the same for personal and group templates, their behavior is
RO> the same same too, so I'll call them in one sweep.
RO> When you create a reply template for a contact, you don't have to use
RO> a specific new message template or vice versa. They're all optional.
RO> The most frequent problem with address book templates is that you've
RO> created one and TB doesn't use it when you send a message. The reason
RO> that this happens is that you've created two (or more) entries in your
RO> address book for the same contact.

Some of my contacts have multiple addy's though ... ?

RO> TB will choose an entry (with the
RO> correct address) at random and check if that one has a personal
RO> template, a group template, whether there's a folder template involved
RO> and thanks to the demon Murphy the most embarrassing template will be
RO> used. So if you've got problems with address book templates, check for
RO> multiple entries.
RO> The same goes for contacts that belong to multiple groups with each
RO> group it's own group template. If you send a message to an address
RO> book group it's ok, TB will select the group template for all
RO> contacts. (Excepts for those addresses that have multiple entries,
RO> remember the demon Murphy.)
RO> When you send a message to one contact and he's a member of different
RO> groups each with their own templates, it's impossible to predict which
RO> template will be used.

This hasn't been a problem, though some of my contacts are
members of multiple groups. But I have no group templates.

If I were to build group templates .. no, that wouldn't
work, because I *do* have contacts who are members of
multiple groups ...


LT>> However, I'm m

Re[2]: AB templates

[Ka`haku Pôpoki`o`mauna]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 4:39:47 AM, you wrote:

RO> OK, let's go for some instructions.


Thank you, that was most informative.

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Re: AB templates

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@24-Sep-2002, 14:05 +0200 (13:05 UK time) Roelof Otten [RO] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RO>>> When you send a message to one contact and he's a member of
RO>>> different groups each with their own templates, it's
RO>>> impossible to predict which template will be used.

Not quite...

B>> That is REALLY ugly behavior. I just played around with it and
B>> it would seem to me that group templates are next to useless
B>> unless ALL names in the group aren't duplicated anywhere else.

Not quite...

RO> I have two groups of lists that have group templates defined.

Yes, that works, but...

What I have found is that the groups are effective in order of
appearance. This may be affected by order of creation. So if you
arrange your groups in an order of precedence then dual membership
needn't be an issue. It works well for me.

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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Allie,

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:48:06 -0500GMT (24-9-02, 12:48 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

ACM> There's another thing that breaks the address book templates

After typing the whole story about templates, I decided to put it into
a QT, after all those questions come regularly and most of the time
they're answered in haste. So I decided to include your remark in my
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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:54:45 -0700GMT (24-9-02, 10:54 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RO>> When you send a message to one contact and he's a member of different
RO>> groups each with their own templates, it's impossible to predict which
RO>> template will be used.

B> That is REALLY ugly behavior. I just played around with it and it
B> would seem to me that group templates are next to useless unless ALL
B> names in the group aren't duplicated anywhere else.

Well, that's the reason I hardly use group templates. I have two
groups of lists that have group templates defined. One of those two
groups is the group that includes all TB-lists that I'm subscribed
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Re: AB templates

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Roelof Otten [RO] wrote:'

RO> The most frequent problem with address book templates is that
RO> you've created one and TB doesn't use it when you send a
RO> message. The reason that this happens is that you've created two
RO> (or more) entries in your address book for the same contact. TB
RO> will choose an entry (with the correct address) at random and
RO> check if that one has a personal template, a group template,
RO> whether there's a folder template involved and thanks to the
RO> demon Murphy the most embarrassing template will be used. So if
RO> you've got problems with address book templates, check for
RO> multiple entries.

There's another thing that breaks the address book templates being
auto-applied as they should. This is when you have a single entry
but there are multiple addresses entered with duplication of one or
more of them. The even funnier thing is that when I see this
problem/corrupted entry, I *know* that I didn't do it. Deleting the
duplicated addresses fixes the problem.

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Re: AB templates

[Blarp]

Hi Roelof,

RO> When you send a message to one contact and he's a member of different
RO> groups each with their own templates, it's impossible to predict which
RO> template will be used.

That is REALLY ugly behavior. I just played around with it and it
would seem to me that group templates are next to useless unless ALL
names in the group aren't duplicated anywhere else.

I have lots of people who are members of two different groups plus my
personal address list. If I send a message to one person from the main
list who's also a member of a group and the group has a template, that
person gets sent a mail using the group template. It doesn't matter if
I select them from the group or select them from the main list. Same
result.

EEEYUCH!!

Is there any plan afoot to change this or somehow bring a little more
order to the process?

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Re: AB templates

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:54:24 -0700GMT (23-9-02, 18:54 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

LT> After reading so many posts about the AB templates (but
LT> without any real instructions), I decided to give them a
LT> shot.

OK, let's go for some instructions.

There are four different sets of templates in TB and they're used in
this priority:
Address Book personal templates
Address Book group templates
Folder templates
Account templates
(Actually there's still another set, the Quick Templates, but those
have a different functionality.)
All of these templates can be found at the properties section of their
level. AB personal templates can be found between the properties of
the contact you want to apply them to and for the other sets it's
likewise.
How do you create them? That's different for the sets.

Account templates are easy, they're created when you create a new
account, you get the default set for the language that you've
configured for TB's interface (at the moment you create the account).
Folder templates are easy too.

As soon as you create a folder a set of folder templates is dropped
into the folder properties. They are the same as your account
templates and they stay synchronized with those as long as you don't
change them. That's to say that when you change the reply template for
a folder that one stays fixed. When you edit the account reply
template afterwards the folder reply template won't change with it.
However if you change the account new message template, the folder new
message template will synchronize neatly. (Unless you've edited that
one too.)
Folder templates can be very easy to work with, but they include one
very big danger. That danger is when you put a %to or %cc macro in it.
Suppose you filter all messages from the list tbudl to a folder tbudl,
and you create a new message folder template with
%to="[EMAIL PROTECTED]", that's real nice, next time you create
a new message in the tbudl folder it goes straight to the list without
you memorizing the address. Well, next time you open your address book
and pick a close friend to send him a message, that's fine, but you
forgot to check the highlighted folder and so the message goes to
tbudl too, with all embarrassing juicy stories. Don't say it won't
happen to you, it happens to all of them. So don't use a %to macro in
a folder template without a fail safe like:
%IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" this
macro checks whether there are any recipients and only if there aren't
any a new recipient is created.

Address book templates are created differently, they're not created
when you create a new contact or group, but when you check the box the
box at the properties that says 'Use a specific template for .'
This is the same for personal and group templates, their behavior is
the same same too, so I'll call them in one sweep.
When you create a reply template for a contact, you don't have to use
a specific new message template or vice versa. They're all optional.
The most frequent problem with address book templates is that you've
created one and TB doesn't use it when you send a message. The reason
that this happens is that you've created two (or more) entries in your
address book for the same contact. TB will choose an entry (with the
correct address) at random and check if that one has a personal
template, a group template, whether there's a folder template involved
and thanks to the demon Murphy the most embarrassing template will be
used. So if you've got problems with address book templates, check for
multiple entries.
The same goes for contacts that belong to multiple groups with each
group it's own group template. If you send a message to an address
book group it's ok, TB will select the group template for all
contacts. (Excepts for those addresses that have multiple entries,
remember the demon Murphy.)
When you send a message to one contact and he's a member of different
groups each with their own templates, it's impossible to predict which
template will be used.


LT> However, I'm missing something, because I either get 2
LT> sets of templates on a given mail (where I built the AB
LT> templates), or none at all ...  (after dumping the base
LT> and folder templates) ...

Well, dumping account templates is not the most sensible thing to do.
After all you need a template to correspond with one time contacts and
so on. The most frequent problem with address book templates is
'multiple entries for one contact'. So check whether they occur and
correct them, otherwise I wouldn't know.

LT> So .. would someone clue me as to what I missed? I figure
LT> it's a check box somewhere, but I can't find it.

No, the on

AB templates

[Lynn Turriff]

Hi Batters ..

After reading so many posts about the AB templates (but
without any real instructions), I decided to give them a
shot.

However, I'm missing something, because I either get 2
sets of templates on a given mail (where I built the AB
templates), or none at all ...  (after dumping the base
and folder templates) ...

So .. would someone clue me as to what I missed? I figure
it's a check box somewhere, but I can't find it.

tia,

Lynn


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Re: AB Templates

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> %WRAPPED="%Quotes"

This reminds me...

Developers, please, oh pretty please fix the
quoting macro already, it only works for the first
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Re: AB Templates

[Kevin Coates]

Hello Nick!

On Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 19:57:24 -0700 GMT (10:57 PM my local time)
you wrote about "AB Templates":

NA> Hello Kevin Coates,

NA> On Tuesday, September 25 2001 at 04:45 PM PDT, you wrote:

>> I guess here is where I'm confused. If I do not include
>> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the Folder Template for *new*
>> messages, The Bat prompts me for an address.

NA> Sorry about the confusion Kevin. I thought you were discussing Address
NA> Book Templates and not Folder level Templates. I have long switched over
NA> to AB Templates only, and although they were a little difficult to get
NA> used to, I now find them much easier to use than Folder Templates.

I've got some tips now and will see if I can make the adjustment to AB
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Re: AB Templates

[Kevin Coates]

Hello Januk!

On Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 17:35:30 -0700 GMT (8:35 PM my local
time) you wrote about "AB Templates":


JA> %IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"

JA> This only adds the list address if there are no other addresses
JA> already present.

Thanks for the clarification and suggestions. I'll do some
experimenting and see if I can get used to this new method of entering
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Re[2]: AB Templates

[Raj]

Januk,

On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, at 00:06:05 [GMT -0700] (which was 12:36 PM where I live) you
wrote:

JA> No, I'm talking before you start a new message, when you click on the
JA> little white envelope to start a new message.  Next to *that* icon
JA> there is a down arrow with a list of favourites.

Wow, never saw that button before. Thanks.


JA> You could try a regular expression like:

JA> %TO='%SETPATTREGEXP=''^(.*?)[,;]?\s*$''%-
JA> %REGEXPMATCH=''%-
JA> 
%SETPATTREGEXP="^(.*?[,;]?)([^,;]*([EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED])[^,;]*[,;]?)(.*)$"%-
JA> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST"%-
JA> %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="4"'''

JA> Just replace my addresses with your address(es) in the form:
JA> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|...)

Works like a charm like all RegEx developed by you. Thanks.

JA> You can simplify this somewhat using Quick Templates.  I suspect this
JA> regexp is complicated enough that *any* further discussion should be
JA> on TBTECH.

No worries -- TBTECH is a little over my head. :(

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Re: AB Templates

[Thomas F]

Hi Kevin,

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:45:35 -0400GMT (26/09/2001, 07:45 +0800GMT),
Kevin Coates wrote:

KC> I guess here is where I'm confused. If I do not include
KC> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the Folder Template for *new*
KC> messages, The Bat prompts me for an address.

That is the whole idea. Otherwise, every message you create in that
folder will be sent to TBUDL. And this is exactly what we want to
prevent.

KC> After I type one in, The Bat will use the address book template
KC> for new messages. I don't want to have to manually type in the
KC> address when posting new messages.

I have autocompelte enabled, and the full address of TBUDL comes up by
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Re: AB Templates

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi Raj,

Historians believe that Wednesday, September 26, 2001 at 08:24 GMT
+0530 was when, Raj [R] typed the following:


R> The  little  down arrow gives a list of e-mail addresses recently used. To get the 
list of
R> facourites  one needs to use the right button of the mouse while the cursor is in 
the 'To'
R> or 'cc' or 'bcc' rows. At least that is the case with me.

No, I'm talking before you start a new message, when you click on the
little white envelope to start a new message.  Next to *that* icon
there is a down arrow with a list of favourites.

R> I tried this in my reply template

R> %CC='%OCCLIST'
R> %TO='%oTolist'

R> Works fine, except that my email id is also get included which is
R> avoidable. My id gets included even when communication is one -
R> one.

You could try a regular expression like:

%TO='%SETPATTREGEXP=''^(.*?)[,;]?\s*$''%-
%REGEXPMATCH=''%-
%SETPATTREGEXP="^(.*?[,;]?)([^,;]*([EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED])[^,;]*[,;]?)(.*)$"%-
%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OTOLIST, %OCCLIST"%-
%SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="4"'''

Just replace my addresses with your address(es) in the form:
([EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|...)

You can simplify this somewhat using Quick Templates.  I suspect this
regexp is complicated enough that *any* further discussion should be
on TBTECH.

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Re: AB Templates

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Hello Kevin Coates,

On Tuesday, September 25 2001 at 04:45 PM PDT, you wrote:

> I guess here is where I'm confused. If I do not include
> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the Folder Template for *new*
> messages, The Bat prompts me for an address.

Sorry about the confusion Kevin. I thought you were discussing Address
Book Templates and not Folder level Templates. I have long switched over
to AB Templates only, and although they were a little difficult to get
used to, I now find them much easier to use than Folder Templates.


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Re[2]: AB Templates

[Raj]

Januk,

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, at 17:35:30 [GMT -0700] (which was 6:05 AM where I live) you
wrote:

JA> 3. When you want to start a new message, click on the little down
JA>arrow next to the new message icon.  You will have a list of your
JA>"Favourites", and any in groups will appear as sub-menus.

The  little  down arrow gives a list of e-mail addresses recently used. To get the 
list of
facourites  one needs to use the right button of the mouse while the cursor is in the 
'To'
or 'cc' or 'bcc' rows. At least that is the case with me.

JA> %IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"

JA> This only adds the list address if there are no other addresses
JA> already present.

Extending on this logic is it possible to have a template (AB level) where in 
depending on
whether  the  mail  is addressed to me or a to a group when I hit reply key it will 
either
address one person or the group as the case may be.

Let  me clarify further. I have a group of friends. Between us we communicate either 
one -
one or some times send mail which have multiple receipeints. I have a habit of hitting 
the
reply button (as opposed to reply all) and many a time after having composed the mail 
have
realized   that  the  mail is addressed to only one person. Then need to close the 
message
and hit reply all and then paste the composed message.

I tried this in my reply template

%CC='%OCCLIST'
%TO='%oTolist'

Works   fine,  except that my email id is also get included which is avoidable. My id 
gets
included even when communication is one - one.

Any ideas ??

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Re: AB Templates

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Kevin,

Historians believe that Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 19:45 GMT -0400
was when, Kevin Coates [KC] typed the following:

KC> I guess here is where I'm confused. If I do not include
KC> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the Folder Template for *new*
KC> messages, The Bat prompts me for an address.

This is a good thing.  The %TO macro in a folder level template can
cause embarrassment down the road.  You can find a good explanation of
what the problems are in the Templates section of the FAQ
.

The problem is: With the %TO in a folder level template, any time you
create a new message, it will be addressed to the list.  Now you're
thinking, "But that's what I want."  The answer is, no that isn't what
you want.  *Every* message will cause the message to be addressed to
the list.  This includes clicking on the unsubscribe link, or clicking
on a mailto: link in your browser.  There are several cases where you
will have the focus in the folder, but you *don't* want the message to
go to the list.  TB isn't able to guess *when* you want this, and when
you don't.  You've told it to *always* send messages to the list.

KC> After I type one in, The Bat will use the address book template
KC> for new messages. I don't want to have to manually type in the
KC> address when posting new messages. It should be automatic for
KC> mailing lists as its always the same.

The best way to handle this is:
1. Create a group for all mailing lists in your Address Book.
   Select "Hide Items if not Explicitly selected"
   Note: You can give all Mailing Lists the same template by using a
 group level template in your AB.

2. For each list entry in the AB, select "Favourite"

3. When you want to start a new message, click on the little down
   arrow next to the new message icon.  You will have a list of your
   "Favourites", and any in groups will appear as sub-menus.

This method takes a little more effort, but it is *much* safer than
having a %TO macro in the folder level templates.

If you insist on playing with fire and decide to keep the %To in the
folder level template, you can reduce your risk by using the following
*instead* of a plain %TO macro:

%IF:"%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST"="":"%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'"

This only adds the list address if there are no other addresses
already present.

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Re[2]: AB Templates

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Hello Nick!

On Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 09:49:33 -0700 GMT (12:49 PM my local
time)
you wrote about "AB Templates":

NA> On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 8:42:18 AM -0700, you wrote:

>> Just to clarify things, I still must include a %TO address macro in
>> the folder's "template" field specifying the unique mailing address
>> for that folder (ie: %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" for this mailing
>> list).

NA> No, because the Template will take the To: address right from the
NA> Address Book, for both the New Message and Reply Templates.

I guess here is where I'm confused. If I do not include
%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the Folder Template for *new*
messages, The Bat prompts me for an address. After I type one in, The
Bat will use the address book template for new messages. I don't want
to have to manually type in the address when posting new messages. It
should be automatic for mailing lists as its always the same.

Reply templates are another matter. In those there is an address to
reply to which automatically pulls the address book template. Its the
new messages which I'm having trouble understanding. I don't see how
an address can be defined without resorting to adding it in the folder
template.

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Re: AB Templates

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Hello Kevin,

On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 8:42:18 AM -0700, you wrote:

> Just to clarify things, I still must include a %TO address macro in
> the folder's "template" field specifying the unique mailing address
> for that folder (ie: %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" for this mailing
> list).

No, because the Template will take the To: address right from the
Address Book, for both the New Message and Reply Templates.

> Once I move the cursor to the message body, The Bat substitutes all
> the template information from the Address Book's entry and ignores the
> default account template information that gets plugged into the folder
> templates. Is this correct?

I don't think the substitution actually takes place, because within the
Address Book Properties there is a check box indicating that you want a
specific Template to be used for either or both a New Message and Reply.
Here is an example of my AB Reply Template:

Hello %OFROMFNAME,

On %ODOW, %ODATE, at %OTIMELONG -0700, you wrote:

%WRAPPED="%Quotes"
%CURSOR

%PUT="C:\My Documents\My Signatures\TB New Message.txt"
%-
%SINGLERE

I hope the above helps a little in configuring your own AB Templates.


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[Kevin Coates]

Hello TUBDL Subscribers,

I'm trying to clean things up and replace my folder templates with
address book templates.

Just to clarify things, I still must include a %TO address macro in
the folder's "template" field specifying the unique mailing address
for that folder (ie: %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" for this mailing
list).

Once I move the cursor to the message body, The Bat substitutes all
the template information from the Address Book's entry and ignores the
default account template information that gets plugged into the folder
templates. Is this correct?

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Re: AB Templates

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Thomas,

On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 8:04:16 PM you wrote:

TF> Hello Peter,

TF> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:42:19 +0200 GMT (12/09/2001, 18:42 +0800 GMT),
TF> Peter Palmreuther wrote:

TF>>> You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
TF>>> want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
TF>>> quick templates.

PP>> I don't think he needs QTs ...
PP>> Raj: are you using macros

PP>> %FromName & %FromAddr

PP>> in the templates?
PP>> If so your wife only has to be on it's own account with it's own sender data
PP>> and _then_ create the new mail.

TF> This would work only if both use only account templates, I would
TF> think.

It works in AB-Templates too .. I'm working with it ... actually this mail is
generated (in it's basics) by an AB-template and if I reply to a mail, change the
active account and re-enter the mail body without having so far written
anything the macro-ed template parts becomes actualized.

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Re: AB Templates

[Thomas F]

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:42:19 +0200 GMT (12/09/2001, 18:42 +0800 GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

TF>> You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
TF>> want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
TF>> quick templates.

PP> I don't think he needs QTs ...
PP> Raj: are you using macros

PP> %FromName & %FromAddr

PP> in the templates?
PP> If so your wife only has to be on it's own account with it's own sender data
PP> and _then_ create the new mail.

This would work only if both use only account templates, I would
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Re[2]: AB Templates

[Raj]

Peter,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 14:28:55 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:58 PM where I live) you
wrote:

PP> Create two QTs, both named _exactly_ like the accounts.
PP> Insert

PP> %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME"

Just ignore my previous replies. 

Thanks for the wonderful idea.

Its working fine. Learnt some thing new

1. TB did not let me down.

2. Have more patience.

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Re: AB Templates

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Raj,

On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 3:21:53 PM you wrote (at least in part):

R> Peter,

R> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 14:28:55 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:58 PM where I live) you
R> wrote:


PP>> %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME"

PP>> in New/Reply Template
PP>> Maybe you want to extend it to

PP>> %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME-new"

R> Thanks - After reading a few times got what you were saying.

R> Thanks.

R> However  it does not work when I use %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME-new". In other words 
it seems
R> to  work  fine  as  long as the QT has the name of the account. Anything extra and 
I get a
R> blank template.

have you tried replacing '-' with '_'? Or even let it blank and use
'%ACCOUNTNAMEnew' ???
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[Raj]

Peter,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 14:28:55 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:58 PM where I live) you
wrote:


PP> %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME"

PP> in New/Reply Template
PP> Maybe you want to extend it to

PP> %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME-new"

Thanks - After reading a few times got what you were saying.

Thanks.

However  it does not work when I use %QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME-new". In other words it 
seems
to  work  fine  as  long as the QT has the name of the account. Anything extra and I 
get a
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[Raj]

Peter,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 14:28:55 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:58 PM where I live) you
wrote:

PP> QTs: Raj-new
PP>  Ray-re
PP>  Wife-new
PP>  Wife-re

PP> %ACCOUNTNAME should be expanded to 'Raj' or 'Wife' so the correct QT should be
PP> _automatically_ included, w/o RegExp :-)

I am a little lost. Can I trouble you for a little more detailed explanation.

Are you saying that these macros be used in the AB templates.

Basically  what  I  want  achieve using AB templates is  as  follows.

Now  when  my  wife (and she only uses her account) clicks on a new or reply message - 
The
template she wants will be used.

In all other cases the template I want will be used for that id.

Ideally I would like organize it so that the templates come up automatically.

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Re: AB Templates

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Raj,

On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 12:44:31 PM you wrote (at least in part):

R> Thomas,

R> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 18:05:45 [GMT +0800] (which was 3:35 PM where I live) you
R> wrote:

TF>> You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
TF>> want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
TF>> quick templates.

R> Yes  that  is  the case... I am the book keeper of the comp. Just wanted to check 
if there
R> was  some  way  where  using  Reg Ex I could call a template if the New or reply 
was being
R> invoked from the account which my wife uses. Else the regular template will be used.

Create two QTs, both named _exactly_ like the accounts.
Insert

%QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME"

in New/Reply Template
Maybe you want to extend it to

%QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME-new"

for new mails and

%QINCLUDE="%ACCOUNTNAME-re"

for replys.

this way you'd need four QTs:
Assume the Account-names are "Raj" & "Wife" (silly, I know *g*):

QTs: Raj-new
 Ray-re
 Wife-new
 Wife-re

%ACCOUNTNAME should be expanded to 'Raj' or 'Wife' so the correct QT should be
_automatically_ included, w/o RegExp :-)
Otherwise there's of course still the possibilities I wrote in my other mail
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[Raj]

Thomas,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, at 18:05:45 [GMT +0800] (which was 3:35 PM where I live) you
wrote:

TF> You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
TF> want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
TF> quick templates.

Yes  that  is  the case... I am the book keeper of the comp. Just wanted to check if 
there
was  some  way  where  using  Reg Ex I could call a template if the New or reply was 
being
invoked from the account which my wife uses. Else the regular template will be used.

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Re: AB Templates

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Thomas,

On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 12:05:45 PM you wrote (at least in part):

R>>  Now  when  my wife (who has a separate folder) clicks on any of the common 
friends, her id
R>>  is replaced by mine. She obviously has her own way of addressing and signing.

R>>  The question is how can I get a work around for the above.

TF> You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
TF> want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
TF> quick templates.

I don't think he needs QTs ...
Raj: are you using macros

%FromName & %FromAddr

in the templates?
If so your wife only has to be on it's own account with it's own sender data
and _then_ create the new mail.

If she replies she only has to do one single step _BEFORE_ typing _anything_
in the message body: "Options" / "Active Account" ... if _not a single
character_ has typed this far in the message the above given macros refresh
with the current values.

HTH Pit

P.S.: I do know this works, because I'm using nearly the same templates for
different accounts with above macros :-)
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Re: AB Templates

[Thomas F]

Hi Raj,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:41:39 +0530GMT (12/09/2001, 17:11 +0800GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> Now  when  my wife (who has a separate folder) clicks on any of the common friends, 
her id
R> is replaced by mine. She obviously has her own way of addressing and signing.

R> The question is how can I get a work around for the above.

You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
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[Raj]

Fellow TB users,

After Marck's lecture I have been making AB templates and now have a query.

I  work  from  home  and hence the Machine & TB is also used by my wife. In the AB we 
have
e-mail address of common friends.

To  ensure  that I address my friends informally I created templates for them in AB. 
These
include my signature & the way I address them.

Now  when  my wife (who has a separate folder) clicks on any of the common friends, 
her id
is replaced by mine. She obviously has her own way of addressing and signing.

The question is how can I get a work around for the above.

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Composed on Wednesday, September 12, 2001 using TB Ver 1.53t


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Re: AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Lars,

On Monday, May 14, 2001 at 7:13:35 PM you wrote:

LG> But why don't you use the German help file then?

Language settings were english as I'm actually testing beta and this way it's
better to understand and reproduce the steps bug or disfunction mails on
tbbeta describe :-)
Then I didn't find the right page in the english help file and thought the
%AB-macros may be undocumented. I switched to the german UI as the german help
is much better, but the search function of the help file did not find the
search string "%AB" ... and so I decided to ask for help ... but as i told ...
I read an other mail on tbudl just 30 seconds after sending mail question and
the the lead to the solution was founded :-)

have a nice evening

Pit

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Re: AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Peter,
On Mon, 14 May 2001, at 18:35:50 +0200 you wrote:

PP> in the english help-file they're at the beginning if you read
PP> the page from bottom up ;-)

But why don't you use the German help file then?

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Re: AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Lars,

On Monday, May 14, 2001 at 4:41:01 PM you wrote:

LG> Those macros are just at the beginning of the macro list, what's
LG> so difficult in finding them? :-))

in the english help-file they're at the beginning if you read the page from
bottom up ;-)

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Re: AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Peter,
On Mon, 14 May 2001, at 16:31:20 +0200 you wrote:

PP> I've found out it has to be [...]

PP> Difficulty to find the %AB-macros in the help, but finally
PP> I've found them just 10 secons after sending my scream-4-help
PP> :-)

Those macros are just at the beginning of the macro list, what's
so difficult in finding them? :-))

PP> Thx nevertheless, I know somebody would have answered my question :-)

Too late.

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Re: AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Peter,
On Mon, 14 May 2001, at 16:13:57 +0200 you wrote:

PP>   I've got a problem with extracting names from the
PP>   addressbook. Someone, let's name him "Charlie Small" writes
PP>   me with his address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, but the
PP>   from-field of his emails looks like this:

PP>   "Small Charlie (Technic/Stage 1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

PP>   So I created a AB-entry for him and wanted to use a special reply-template
PP>   for making the greeting of my reply look like

PP>   "Hello Charlie"

Try the following as a template (for new mails):

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%TO=""%TO="Small Charlie Technic/Stage 1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"%-
Hi %ABtoFIRSTNAME,

%CURSOR

[...]
-

or for replies:

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%TO=""%TO="Small Charlie Technic/Stage 1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"%-
Hi %ABofromFIRSTNAME,
you wrote ...,
%CURSOR
%QUOTES

[...]
-

That should do the trick.

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Re: AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Peter Palmreuther]

OK ... Let's reply to myself: I've found out it has to be %ABToFirstName and
not %ABToFName like I expected it from the other macros.
Difficulty to find the %AB-macros in the help, but finally I've found them
just 10 secons after sending my scream-4-help :-)

Thx nevertheless, I know somebody would have answered my question :-)

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AB-Templates and Name-Order mismatch :-(

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello List,

  I've got a problem with extracting names from the addressbook.
  Someone, let's name him "Charlie Small" writes me with his address
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, but the from-field of his emails looks like this:

  "Small Charlie (Technic/Stage 1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  So I created a AB-entry for him and wanted to use a special reply-template
  for making the greeting of my reply look like

  "Hello Charlie"

  instead of "Hello Small".

  If I do use "%OFromName" he's greeted "Hello Small Charlie (Technic/Stage 1)".
  If I do use "%OFromFName" he's greeted "Hello Small".
  So I decided to try a %ABTo... macro ... I've inserted his AB-entry so that
  Charlie is the first, Small the last, and "(Technic/Stage 1)" the middle
  name is. The Display name should be "Charlie Small (Technic/Stage 1)" for
  better sorting/finding/reading purposes.
  If I do use %ABToName right now in the template, it gets

  "Hello Charlie Small (Technic/Stage 1),"

  How to write the template to display "Hello Charlie", without only making
  the "Display name as" just the first name??? %ABToFName does not work :-(

  Thx Peter

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Re[4]: AB-templates

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Jan,

On Saturday, May 05, 2001 at 15:53:19 -0400 you wrote on "AB-templates":

> I remember a situation I had in which an AB dbl entry had TB! doing
> weird things. It took me a while to sort it out. What I did to
> help track it down

(Snipped)

Thanks again, Jan. I will give the AB a closer look. I think you're on
the right track here, as the problem began after I had experimented a
lot with the AB.

> There's always the AB -> Group -> Folder conflict to consider also.

 Yes, but I don't have any folder templates.

> I forgot to ask whether what you are experiencing comes from one
> group or one folder or one of anything. Obviously, this could help
> isolate the problem too.

Yes. Unfortunately, it appear to be a global problem.

> I don't want to send you off on any more wild goose chases so
> maybe someone else will jump in here & help you out with some
> practical advice.  I will be interested to learn of the solution
> myself.

I don't mind a little goose chase once in a while. I'll get back to
you, when I find the answer :-)

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Re[3]: AB-templates

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello Jannik, Sorry the re-install didn't work.

On Saturday, May 05, 2001 20:10:53 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'AB-templates':

Jannik> [...] I'm beginning to suspect, that I have somehow checked something
Jannik> somewhere - but what and where?

  I remember a situation I had in which an AB dbl entry had TB! doing
  weird things. It took me a while to sort it out. What I did to
  help track it down, at someone's suggestion, was to label each template
  with a line of text so I would know where it was coming from. So,
  for example, my default New Mail or Reply Mail templates would
  have a text line like "new default" & "reply" default. My TB! AB
  reply template would be identified as such, etc. This was a pain in the
  butt but it helped me track things down.

  There's always the AB -> Group -> Folder conflict to consider
  also.

  I forgot to ask whether what you are experiencing comes from one
  group or one folder or one of anything. Obviously, this could help isolate
  the problem too.

  I don't want to send you off on any more wild goose chases so
  maybe someone else will jump in here & help you out with some
  practical advice.  I will be interested to learn of the solution
  myself.

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