Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hi Mary, On Sunday, November 27, 2005 at 11:31:12 AM in response to the message Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...] You wrote: P.S. I was uncomfortable with the tone in which the original poster of this thread was 'spoken' to by some list members. I thought it was uncalled for. I was uncomfortable, too. I wanted to offer Bob my help, but I didn't have time on those particular days. I was reading but not posting: in response to that I would like to add the I would following: Thanks for the Kind words Mary, I wouldn't let some people with low self esteem ruin my day. That's there issue so let them wallow in there own self pity. I have already responded to some of the worst offenders, didn't threaten them or anything just suggested that they should know what they are talking about before putting their foot in their mouth. I am slowly getting this thing working. It isn't easy and I feel bad for someone with little to no computer experience at all. Macro's and filters are my next challenge. The reason I asked about the e-mail address is that I was under the impression that The BAT changed the e-mail address to make you anonymous, that is the whole reason I bought the program, anonymity. At least that it what is said in the Anonomizer web siteI also thought that you could send encrypted messages that Decrypted when they reached the other persons Inbox, with out them having to know about Public/private keys, keyrings, Keyring servers etc. I use PGP but everyone I send e-mail to doesn't know how or doesn't care. It is a shame we need to protect everything we send outthat is why I have an unlisted phone # and caller ID. That is what I wanted in my e-mail and Unlisted address. I am sure I will get it eventually. It was just disheartening when I spent all this money only to find no manuals, not even adobe instructions, Probably should have gone with SafeMail, oh well live and learn Thanks again I am not going anywhere and I stick up for my self and put these people in their places in such a way as it makes them look like the bad guy and I look like the victim. The only way to do it, reverse the tables and make them defend their actions. Oh and I was never a IT person, that is basically where I was having the problems, But when I get to macros my programing especially perl, UNIX scripting as well as a few others. If I can remember any of them should come in helpful. -- Best regards, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OH I am trying out my templates and macros so I hoped this worked the way I wanted it to.. Using The Bat! 3.62.14 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 3.0ghz - HT with .99G mem. I am sick of calling HP support or 411 and getting India, maybe if Bush was a real man he would reverse his policies of TRADE (oxymoron) and bring jobs back into this country, instead of letting them be outsourced. I say fine companies that outsource jobs to other countries and start thinking about our starving people who can't pay their heat/medical/food bills. What is wrong with youOh ya your rich, a convicted drunk driver, former coke addict, and a Liar, did I leave anything out...Oh forgot Jesus spoke to you. Well that helps me out you radical freak... Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's too late for you BUSH. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re[3]: Getting no help from support...
Hello The, Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 2:35:55 AM, you wrote: 13 December 2005 - 07:35 Hello Robert, Monday, December 12, 2005, 11:57:33 PM, you wrote: RF Here we go again with having to explain computer engineer...Why do RF I even bother Next time, please don't. Well when You are personally attacked by several members of this list that is suppose to have rules against attacking other people on the list then it leaves me no choice but to tell the attacker that I was offended by their comments. Sorry but those are the rules of this forum I believe...so if we need to get the Moderators involved then I have no problem with that. I don't appreciate waking up to my name being smeared by a bunch of people who have no clue as to what they are talking about when it comes to me personally...they shouldn't even comment on my personal business/problems.Oh and I have received Dozens upon dozens of emails that share my view. I was put down and attacked and many people have responded to that effect saying sorry for the actions of a few Bad apples.. I came here for help not to be berated and put down for all to see. Maybe a Mod should be involved in this, Oh and some have been OVER the line...way over the line. And I am still trying to figure this out so it should have only gone to the offender and not you unless you were the offender. I have nothing else to say on this matter so don't bother responding. -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [Norton AntiSpam] Re[3]: Getting no help from support...
Howdy Robert, Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 12:27:12 PM, Robert wrotened: RF Here we go again with having to explain computer engineer...Why do RF I even bother Next time, please don't. Robert Well when You are personally attacked by several members of this list Robert that is suppose to have rules against attacking other people on the Robert list then it leaves me no choice but to tell the attacker that I was Robert offended by their comments. Sorry but those are the rules of this Robert forum I believe...so if we need to get the Moderators involved then I Robert have no problem with that. I don't appreciate waking up to my name Robert being smeared by a bunch of people who have no clue as to what they Robert are talking about when it comes to me personally...they shouldn't even Robert comment on my personal business/problems.Oh and I have received Robert Dozens upon dozens of emails that share my view. I was put down and Robert attacked and many people have responded to that effect saying sorry Robert for the actions of a few Bad apples.. Robert I came here for help not to be berated and put down for all to see. Robert Maybe a Mod should be involved in this, Oh and some have been OVER the Robert line...way over the line. And I am still trying to figure this out so Robert it should have only gone to the offender and not you unless you were Robert the offender. I know you said no more responses. But hey never been one to obey. I agree wholeheartedly that some members treatment of you was disgusting. Lets hope that this is the last time ever that something like this ever happens. -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting no help from support...
Hello Roman, Sunday, November 27, 2005, 1:42:54 AM, you wrote: On Saturday, November 26, 2005, 22:39:32, Thomas Fernandez wrote: LG Really? I didn't know that some boxed versions came with an e-mail LG address.. At which domain? Ritlabs? No, the dial-up login details come with email addresses at the ISP. So, you sign up for a dial-up account wiht the ISP, they automatically give you an email address (at least some do that over here). This is what I understand is meant by ISPs email address. I meant the boxed retail versions of TB that had a sticker on them with an email address that was ready to use. Some [EMAIL PROTECTED] which you could see without unpacking the box. If Bob (the OP) had such a retail version of TB it's understandable he shouldn't have to put in his ISP's data. Being a computer engineer (sic) though he should have figured that out. Regards, Roman Here we go again with having to explain computer engineer...Why do I even bother.Computer engineer was a combination of HW engineering and SW engineeringWith a minor in EE. Electrical engineering does not help when dealing with IT matterand all this ISP POP SMTP etc is ITI entered a course to get my MCSE Microsoft certified systems engineer...BUT bill Gates is a crookI joined 1 month before the class started...it was for NT 4.0 it cost 10K I had to take out a Loan...they said (marketing people,,,SCUM in my book) that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread and with my BS in Computer Engineering I would have no problems getting a HIGH paying JOB..which I already HAD but wanted to know the ins and outs of networking etc.6 months into the course the DEAN came in and said we have good news and bad news...the bad new is that MS has cancelled this program (with 3 months to go) and at the end you have 1 year to take 14 test to be certified as a MCSE in NT 4.0 but that after 1.5 years NT 4.0 will go away and 2000 will be the new OS...I said..excuse me but 7 months ago YOU KNEW this.His response NO we didn't...well Microsoft did because you do not develop an OS in 7 months, you took MY 10K (STOLE) which is true taking money under false pretenses is stealing..He got red in the face and tried to defend himself but knew he was bagged.I said I want my MONEY backOh we can't do that but the good new is we are offering you the 2000 course (another 9 months for 1/2 price.OH what a DEALon another 5k and 9 more months of my life) I called him a few choice words as well as a crook and walked out of the room...I finished the course but was unable to pass 14 test at 100 dollars a test in 1 yearso No MCSEI hired a lawyer...who went after the school.they came back with.Robert WHO? we lost his records and have no way of getting them back.I could have called all my teachers as witnesses as well as class mates...but landed a SQA (software quality assurance job for a startup making close to 6 figures plus it was a pre IPO and I had major stock option that if they went public and did well I would be rich right now...) unfortunately George W. was then elected and burned through the surplus 1000's of companies in MA went under of laid people off...mine went under...THANKS to a greedy DICTATOR or should I say convicted drunk driver, Coke User, Liar, Vietnam defector (oh ya the nation guard that he never attended) did I say LiarHe is still LyingNever go another engineering job after that. So the BUSH dynasty ruined my life (laid off 2 times under Bush SR. and 3 times under JRis there a theme here, had plenty of job offers under Clinton), bill gates took my 10K, Now I have 3 diseases that affect my sort and long term memory so Social security payes for my to sit home and surf the web. Don't know if I will ever work again or Die before ever getting off of disability.can't work now..too sick, Plus my brain in not functioning at full capacity. SO next time you question some ones credentials know the facts they could be underlying issues that affect ones ability to understand what once came naturally... -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Getting no help from support...
13 December 2005 - 07:35 Hello Robert, Monday, December 12, 2005, 11:57:33 PM, you wrote: RF Here we go again with having to explain computer engineer...Why do RF I even bother Next time, please don't. -- Best regards, William Flying with The Bat! Professional version 3.60.07 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, November 26, 2005, 9:39 PM, you wrote: Did you buy the box version that comes with an email address? I seem to remember something like that... LG Really? I didn't know that some boxed versions came with an LG e-mail address.. At which domain? Ritlabs? No, the dial-up login details come with email addresses at the ISP. So, you sign up for a dial-up account wiht the ISP, they automatically give you an email address (at least some do that over here). This is what I understand is meant by ISPs email address. It's what I understand, too. Comcast assigned one to me, and I was allowed to select 5 additional ones, when I signed up with them for Broadband. My first ISP (Premiernet) was a dial-up, and they supplied me with one e-mail address and with the POP3 and SMTP strings to put in the boxes of Account/Properties/Transport. This consisted of different words from the ones I needed to set up Comcast at Account/Properties/Transport. Further, at yet another ISP (which I used first for dial-up and then for broadband), the domain name didn't work; I had to use the address numbers. Another place a novice like me could get into trouble with set-up is in the Authentication boxes in Account/Properties/Transport/Authentication. Some ISPs are unforgiving about those. I suppose one could find the right way by trial-and-error if the ISP is no help--as Comcast was no help to me. They said they never heard of The Bat! and why didn't I just go with Outlook Express? Or read my mail on their website? grrr I have a vague memory of having to change a setting in Win XP Home to make all this work for dial-up with Premiernet, when I switched from Win95 to WinXP. But I might be confusing that with the switch from dial-up to broadband, with Comcast. It was all a long time ago, as Internet access goes. I give these details to show that it is not easy for a first-time Batter to get it right. Especially if one doesn't have the technical vocabulary to understand the Help file. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
Hello Roman, On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:42:54 -0500 GMT (27/11/2005, 13:42 +0700 GMT), Roman Katzer wrote: RK I meant the boxed retail versions of TB that had a sticker on them with an RK email address that was ready to use. I never knew there are boxed retail versions of TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. He who stands on toilet, is high on pot! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.14 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello Rich! On Sunday, November 27, 2005, 9:03 AM, you wrote: I too have run into the We only support Outlook Express tech support policy. In such a case I'd tell them to help me setup my Outlook Express then, once that works, began the work of transposing the info from OE to TB. Yes, good thinking. Obviously a newb would have to dig to find the correct corresponding dialog box for where the server info goes. Quite true. The organization of TB!'s GUI is not immediately transparent to a beginning user. P.S. I was uncomfortable with the tone in which the original poster of this thread was 'spoken' to by some list members. I thought it was uncalled for. I was uncomfortable, too. I wanted to offer Bob my help, but I didn't have time on those particular days. I was reading but not posting. A beloved pet came very near to death ten days ago. A blood transfusion in the animal hospital saved her life. Then there were the early days of her convalescence at home. She seems to be on the mend now. Anyway, that's why I didn't get involved in what looked as if it would be a time-consuming effort. Many times frustrated newbies come here to TBUDL exhibiting what looks like a bad attitude. I had a bad attitude myself when I first showed up here! I'm glad a few people stuck with the task of trying to straighten me out!! As to Bob's claim to be a computer engineer--does that necessarily equate to computer programmer? Maybe he built hardware boxes and someone else set up his e-mail applications for him. Then, in his second post, he said he was home on disability. I have some disabilities of reasoning and memory and technical vocabulary my own self! I can relate to his needs. But I don't expect to see him back here, given that the only advice he received from fellow members of TBUDL was to read the Help File or to go back to his ISP for help. Well, I can't rescue everyone! :( I was lucky to find a vet able to save my long-time pet companion. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello Mary, I was lucky to find a vet able to save my long-time pet companion. I'm glad to hear that Mary. I know what it means to lose a long-time pet, I've always had dogs and I've been through that several times. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello rich gregory everyone else, on 27-Nov-2005 at 18:14 you (rich gregory) wrote: a little patience would have been all that was necessary Come on, there was one post that was rude, the others were mostly helpful, you're sounding as if the poor guy was slapped with fish by everyone... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Streamline (11:23) by Jet Chamber (Pete Namlook Atom Heart) from the 1997 album 'Jet Chamber' Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello Rich! On Sunday, November 27, 2005, 11:14 AM, you wrote: MB But I don't expect to see him back here ... Too bad he hit us up w/ that Q during our holidays. Neither was I as available, and unable to help. I do understand that he was less than accurate on several points but still, a little patience would have been all that was necessary. At times _I_ could have been that poster! Yes, me too. ... MB I was lucky to find a vet able to save my long-time pet MB companion. I am very happy for you and your pet. We do rescues as well and it can be draining. Best wishes. Thank you so very much. Indeed, my pet *was* a rescue, seven and a half years ago, following a massive hailstorm. And, I feel, that in a sense, part of what we do on TBUDL is rescue work, also. It's a great satisfaction when one is actually able to give help as well as receive it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello Alexander! On Sunday, November 27, 2005, 11:30 AM, you wrote: ... a little patience would have been all that was necessary ... Come on, there was one post that was rude, the others were mostly helpful, you're sounding as if the poor guy was slapped with fish by everyone... The thing is, most of you guys and gals are so far from beginnerhood that it's hard for you to know where to start helping someone as confused as Bob obviously was. I think it's mostly feelings of guilt about my own lack of response that keep me writing about this. Because I might have been able to break everything down into simple enough steps to help Bob be successful. I'm only 3 years away from complete newbie-hood. I'm not ashamed of my priorities, of my choice to give my time to my pet in her life-threatening crisis. But I still feel very bad that I think I knew how to explain getting Transport set up for The Bat! and couldn't make the time for it when it was needed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 27-Nov-2005 at 18:42 you (Mary Bull) wrote: Because I might have been able to break everything down into simple enough steps to help Bob be successful He wanted to use one email address with two programs... respect if you're able to break this down into simple enough steps to be successful. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Calm Box (17:20) by Jet Chamber (Pete Namlook Atom Heart) from the album 'Jet Chamber II' Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up TB! for a new ISP [was Re: Getting no help from support...]
Hello Alexander! On Sunday, November 27, 2005, 11:59 AM, you wrote: Because I might have been able to break everything down into simple enough steps to help Bob be successful He wanted to use one email address with two programs... respect if you're able to break this down into simple enough steps to be successful. ;-) LOL I see what you mean. But he didn't even know what to do with Transport, as near as I could read him. He did get told that he would have to have separate e-mail addresses for his wife and for himself. But he didn't seem to have enough understanding to know what to do with that information. That's all that I meant, that for a rank beginner, setting up Transport can be daunting, for all that it looks so simple. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Getting no help from support...
Hello Bob, Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 1:39:43 PM, you wrote: I want to have her just use the outlook accout and I use the bat seperate and not from the outlook client. For this to happen, you need two e-mail addresses / boxes. Using two programs, you can't use a single e-mail address for both. Well, technically you could provided you set up Selective Download filters in TheBat (TB), but that's going to be more trouble than it's worth. There are a plethora of free e-mail services. Might I recommend Gmail from Google. It's free, it's fast, and works great with TB. If you need a Gmail account, just say so. Pretty much anyone on the list can provide you with an invitation to get one. I am confused as to what I put down as my reply to address.If I use my ISP address it will go to my outlook account I would supposethat is not what I want...I want to use two email clientsPreferablly creating a seperate dialup icon that would connect me to the BATbut mabey I am asking to much... As for a separate dialup icon, you don't need that. You can have a single icon to dial-up to the internet and from that point run Outlook and TheBat side by side with no problems. The key here is to have two e-mail accounts, not two dialup accounts. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Save your pennies. The dollars go to the I.R.S. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
On Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 12:45:18, Bob and Melissa wrote: Why do I need to put in my ISP email address???I thought I would get a seperate email from this program... Did you buy the box version that comes with an email address? I seem to remember something like that... Regards, Roman -- There isn't a man, woman, or child in this country who at one time or another doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage. -- David Letterman Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting no help from support...
Hello Roman, Saturday, November 26, 2005, 12:01:30 PM, you wrote: Did you buy the box version that comes with an email address? I seem to remember something like that... Really? I didn't know that some boxed versions came with an e-mail address.. At which domain? Ritlabs? -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org What has four legs and an arm? A happy pit bull. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
Hello Leif, On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:10:33 -0700 GMT (27/11/2005, 06:10 +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: Did you buy the box version that comes with an email address? I seem to remember something like that... LG Really? I didn't know that some boxed versions came with an e-mail LG address.. At which domain? Ritlabs? No, the dial-up login details come with email addresses at the ISP. So, you sign up for a dial-up account wiht the ISP, they automatically give you an email address (at least some do that over here). This is what I understand is meant by ISPs email address. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: It doesn't matter if you are heavily outnumbered in a fight involving martial arts - your enemies will wait patiently to attack you one by one by dancing around in a threatening manner until you have knocked them out. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.14 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
On Saturday, November 26, 2005, 22:39:32, Thomas Fernandez wrote: LG Really? I didn't know that some boxed versions came with an e-mail LG address.. At which domain? Ritlabs? No, the dial-up login details come with email addresses at the ISP. So, you sign up for a dial-up account wiht the ISP, they automatically give you an email address (at least some do that over here). This is what I understand is meant by ISPs email address. I meant the boxed retail versions of TB that had a sticker on them with an email address that was ready to use. Some [EMAIL PROTECTED] which you could see without unpacking the box. If Bob (the OP) had such a retail version of TB it's understandable he shouldn't have to put in his ISP's data. Being a computer engineer (sic) though he should have figured that out. Regards, Roman -- Classic oxymoron: The Honorable Justice Clarence Thomas. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting no help from support...
V The others (how can you use Outlook and Bat) are not TB! related. V Look for it on the web. I correct myself. This is a TBUDL issue, just I was pissed off from the laziness of the original sender...However, the questions were so general, I think, a local, real computer help is needed for him... V Sorry Bob, but instead of asking simple questions, please work a V little on it before you send a question... We should not WORK INSTEAD V of you... We can help on people who try to help themselves first :(( It still stands. -- Vili Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Getting no help from support...
I read it from start to finish several times and it is vagueat best...no details...and I resent the fact of your personal attack. You know nothing about me...You don't know why I am not working and recieveing disabilaty, nor the fact that it has something to do with concentration and following directions and short term memory lossI know what every thing listed is and have set it up dozen of times and in dozens of configurations yet it still will not connect to the bat server. -- Bob F! Dazed and confusedliterally.. ask my several Dr.'s Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: Getting no help from support...
Oppology accepted...I am creating a huge list of questions and from that you can see that I have tried hard to set this program up -- Bob F! Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
Hello Vili everyone else, on 24-Nov-2005 at 04:42 you (Vili) wrote: What kind of computer engineer does not know what is POP and SMTP? A computer hardware engineer? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I have just got scent of some fossil bones of a mammoth; what they may be I do not know, but if gold will get them, they shall be mine. -- Charles Darwin Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Getting no help from support...)
Hello Bob and Melissa everyone else, on 24-Nov-2005 at 01:18 you (Bob and Melissa) wrote: Bob Figuerido MCP MCP as in Microsoft Certified Professional? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting no help from support...
Hello Group, On Thursday, November 24, 2005, 2:49:21 PM, Bob wrote: I know what every thing listed is and have set it up dozen of times and in dozens of configurations yet it still will not connect to the bat server. I wonder if the issue is a lack of understanding here? TheBat! does not connect to 'the bat server' - it should be set up to connect to your ISP or whoever provides your email service. TheBat! is just a program for collecting and reading email, just like Outlook Express. The settings you need are those that you entered into Outlook Express. However, as has been pointed out, if you and your partner share one email account then you need to decide which email program to use, if you want to use different programs then you need separate email accounts (unless you really want to go through the pain barrier!). -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Getting no help from support...
So the forums are the best becasue you have gone through itBeing a computer engineer I still can't get his damm program to workI want to run two ClientOutlook for the wife and Bat for me..Secure etc. What do I need to do..Why do I need to put in my ISP email address???I thought I would get a seperate email from this program...What do I use for my return addressHow can I configure my Dial up to use two different email clients What is the POP3 and SMTP that I use? I don't want that window in outlook that sayes send outlook or send bat? I am wicked confused: need all the help I can get...the help files are about useless.I need specificsany help would be greatly appreciated. thanks bob F! Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Bob and Melissa everyone else, on 23-Nov-2005 at 18:45 you (Bob and Melissa) wrote: So the forums are the best becasue you have gone through itBeing a computer engineer I still can't get his damm program to workI want to run two ClientOutlook for the wife and Bat for me..Secure etc. What do I need to do..Why do I need to put in my ISP email address???I thought I would get a seperate email from this program...What do I use for my return addressHow can I configure my Dial up to use two different email clients First some questions: - which version of Windows do you have on your computer? - do the two of you share a single email account, or do you have separate accounts? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Another (5:11) by Hol Baumann from the album 'Fahrenheit Project Part One' Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I am running Xp Media center sp2 we share an outlook express account I want to have her just use the outlook accout and I use the bat seperate and not from the outlook client. I am confused as to what I put down as my reply to address.If I use my ISP address it will go to my outlook account I would supposethat is not what I want...I want to use two email clientsPreferablly creating a seperate dialup icon that would connect me to the BATbut mabey I am asking to much... Thanks Bob F! - Original Message - From: Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob and Melissa on TBUDL tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Getting no help from support... Hello Bob and Melissa everyone else, on 23-Nov-2005 at 18:45 you (Bob and Melissa) wrote: So the forums are the best becasue you have gone through itBeing a computer engineer I still can't get his damm program to workI want to run two ClientOutlook for the wife and Bat for me..Secure etc. What do I need to do..Why do I need to put in my ISP email address???I thought I would get a seperate email from this program...What do I use for my return addressHow can I configure my Dial up to use two different email clients First some questions: - which version of Windows do you have on your computer? - do the two of you share a single email account, or do you have separate accounts? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Another (5:11) by Hol Baumann from the album 'Fahrenheit Project Part One' Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
Hello Bob and Melissa everyone else, on 23-Nov-2005 at 21:39 you (Bob and Melissa) wrote: I am running Xp Media center sp2 So you could create two separate user accounts to log in to Windows. One for your wife, with a fully configured OE, one for yourself, with TB. we share an outlook express account What I meant is, do the two of you have a SINGLE email address, or does each of you have his own mail address? Outlook Express is only a program to access your mail account. The actual mail account is from your email provider. TB is another program. IF you have a single email address that both of you share, things will be, uhm, rather difficult. The POP3 protocol for email access downloads the mails from your email account (on the server of your provider) to your local computer. Once they're downloaded from the server with one email program (either one, OE or TB), they're not on the server anymore - and the other program can of course not access them (unless it is configured to leave the messages on the server, but I'd say forget it, because its too unhandy to really work with that every day when using two different email programs). In the case that you only have one email address, a possible solution would be an IMAP account, were the mails stay on the server forever and you only read them at home with your email program of choice. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true. -- Bertrand Russell Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 22:10:15, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: In the case that you only have one email address, a possible solution would be an IMAP account, were the mails stay on the server forever and you only read them at home with your email program of choice. Don't suggest that to Outlook (Express) user - from my experiences, the IMAP support in Outlook (even 2003) is awful at best (and very confusing to inexperienced user), and I wouldn't count on OE to have it any better. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made. -- Glyme's Formula for Success Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Bob, @23-Nov-2005, 15:39 -0500 (23-Nov 20:39 here) Bob and Melissa [BAM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: BAM I am running Xp Media center sp2 BAM we share an outlook express account BAM I want to have her just use the outlook accout and I use the bat seperate BAM and not from the outlook client. This does not sound at all possible. If you share an email account and mailbox then the only way to separate the mail is by filtering within a single client. You can't read the same account from two different programs. Well, you can, but it's non-trivial. BAM I am confused as to what I put down as my reply to address.If BAM I use my ISP address it will go to my outlook account I would BAM suppose That makes sort of sense. You have an email address. It is your from address. It is your reply address. You only have the one. You have an ISP. They are erols.com. They have POP3 and SMTP servers. I would guess those would be something like pop3.erols.com or mail.erols.com and smtp.erols.com or relay.erols.com. Only your ISP can give you that information, not The Bat! help or forums or mailing list. You may be able to glean it from the settings in Outlook. BAM that is not what I want...I want to use two email clients BAM Preferablly creating a seperate dialup icon that would connect me BAM to the BATbut mabey I am asking to much... Wy too much. To use 2 email clients you need 2 email accounts - or, at least, 2 *mailboxes*. If you and your wife share a single mailbox, then you really need to go back to email 101 and understand that when one program reads mail, it takes *all* of it from the mailbox. When the other program goes looking ... it's all gone. You could configure both clients to leave mail on the server but, with respect and apologies for any offence, if you are unable to work out the basics of POP3 and SMTP server address settings from your ISP help forums then there's only a slim chance of getting on to the more complicated issues of setting up leave mail on server and delete after n days settings. If you actually *do* have your own mailbox, come back and we can talk some more. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpZ9wpFRvVGP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Thank you for the tip I am not use to this system and I am trying my hardest to figure out all the rules etc. So please bear with meFor instance I can't for the life of me figure out how to change my Name at the end to include the -- I learned that you need those so that they ignore everything afterwardI am trying...I should be good at this being a computer engineer it will just take some time...If I broke any rules in this post please let me know so I can learn the system -- Bob Figuerido MCP, Computer engineer Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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BaM So the forums are the best becasue you have gone through BaM itBeing a computer engineer I still can't get his damm BaM program to work You are not serious, right? What kind of computer engineer does not know what is POP and SMTP? If you don't joke, correct your intro: ..being an X, where X is DEFINITELY not a computer engineer... Read the manual. You said you read it. I don't believe you... The questions that you asked and are related to TB! are in the help. The others (how can you use Outlook and Bat) are not TB! related. Look for it on the web. Sorry Bob, but instead of asking simple questions, please work a little on it before you send a question... We should not WORK INSTEAD of you... We can help on people who try to help themselves first :(( -- Vili Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
