moving folders

[Daniel Friedmann]

Hello,

how can I move folders into another folder and how do I sort my tree
individually?
I wasn't able to drag folders to another location like Explorer.

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[zefram]

Even though the question might sound stupid: how do I move folders
across different accounts?

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[Stuart Hemming]

Anyone else have problems moving Common Folders around the tree?

I've got a Common Folder the has the options for Move In and Move Up
greyed out. This folder is at the bottom of the tree (so it *can't*
move down and as far 'Out' as possible). Other times I'll create a
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[Rick Reumann]

BatList,

Is there a way to move folders so they are under a new folder (become
sub folders)? I don't see any way to do this besides deleting the old
folders and starting over by creating them as new subfolders under a
newly created folder. Maybe there is a way to do this that I'm
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[Pete Milne]

  I would like to take a folder with its sub folders and move them to
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[Ben Pugsley]

Hi

I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
folders.

If I can do this, can someone show me the way please?

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Dear List,

I was wondering how to move folders into other folders to make
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Re: moving folders

[Arno van Stralen]

Hi Daniel,

Saturday, August 19, 2000, 10:20:48 AM, you wrote:

Daniel> how can I move folders into another folder and

You can move folders by calling their properties (rightclick a folder
or hit ALT+ENTER when it's activated) and subsequentially alter the
path of that folder by pressing the little question mark button.

Daniel>  how do I sort my tree
Daniel>> individually?

I don't understand what you mean with individual sorting. You can
simply sort the folders in alphabetical order by pressing the Folder
"tab".

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Re: moving folders

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On 19 August 2000 at 10:20:48 GMT +0200 (which was 09:20 where I
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of "moving folders":

DF> how can I move folders into another folder and how do I sort my tree
DF> individually?

Use   Alt-Drag   to  move  a  folder  within  the  hierarchy  and  use
Ctrl-Alt-Drag  to move a folder *into* another folder and increase the
nesting.

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Re: Moving folders

[Kari Jakobi]

On Sunday, November 05, 2000, 11:51:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


ztod> how do I move folders across different accounts?

you can just drag & drop them from one account to the other. sometimes
there can be difficulties. see "Folder Transfer between Accounts" by
Tony A. T. Medina, although I think it's a specific problem to him,
which is rather rare.

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Re: Moving folders

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello zefram,

On  Sun, 5 Nov 2000  at  11:51:44 GMT +0100 (which was 2:51 AM
where I live) witnesses say [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> Even though the question might sound stupid:

Few, if any questions, are stupid.  Yours deals with an aspect of TB's
behaviour that is not intuitive for most Windows users.  It is
definitely *not* stupid.

> how do I move folders across different accounts?

Moving folders is accomplished by pressing the ALT key while
drag-&-dropping the folder with your mouse.  To make a folder the
child folder of another one, use CTRL-ALT while drag-&-dropping with
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On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:51:44 +0100 GMT your local time,
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> Even though the question might sound stupid: how do I move folders
> across different accounts?


Press Ctrl-Alt and click on folder with mouse, hold left mouse-button and move
folder.

Should work.

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Moving Folders etc

[Chris Weaven]

Hi The Bat! friends,

As some of you read recently, I was changing ISP.

As you can see, I now have a new e-mail address.

I've now set-up a new account in TB!, but want to move everything from
the old account, to this newly created one.

I've copied the 'account.cfg' file to copy the main configuration of the
account (I added the new details), but I also want to move my
personal/local folders and filters.

I think I remember seeing that filters can only be copied and pasted,
but how can I move all the folders?

Surely I don't have to re-create them and copy all the messages over
from the folders!?

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Re: Moving folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Stuart,

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:11:01 + GMT (04/03/03, 19:11 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Hemming wrote:

> Anyone else have problems moving Common Folders around the tree?

Yes, but I don't know whether it is a beta issue.

> I've got a Common Folder the has the options for Move In and Move Up
> greyed out. This folder is at the bottom of the tree (so it *can't*
> move down and as far 'Out' as possible). Other times I'll create a
> folder that, for example, can only move up.

It appears that you can move folders by right-clicking and choosing
the context menu item only within the account. So if a folder is the
last one in the account, you cannot move it down but only up. If you
try this with a folder in the middle of the account, you can move it
both ways.

In order to move folders across accounts, you hold down the alt key
while dragging it with the mouse. This is safe with the release
version, but you want to check with TBBETA first for the beta version
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Re: Moving folders

[Stuart Hemming]

Thomas,

TF> Yes, but I don't know whether it is a beta issue.
Maybe it is. I'll copy the post over there.

TF> In order to move folders across accounts, you hold down the alt key
TF> while dragging it with the mouse.
I hadn't appreciated that, thank you.

TF> This is safe with the release
TF> version, but you want to check with TBBETA first for the beta version
TF> you are using.
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Re: moving folders

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RR> Is there a way to move folders so they are under a new folder (become
RR> sub folders)?

Use  and drop the folder onto the intended parent
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Q: Moving folders

[Stuart Hemming]

I know I can move folders up and down but can I move them side to
side? For example, I have

-Web Stuff
 |- Mail list 1
 |- Mail List 2
- SQL Stuff
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I want to add a new folder called, say "work stuff" as a home for the
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   |- Mail list 3

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More Moving Folders

[Stuart Hemming]

I've tried to send this as a reply a couple of times but it doesn't
seem to be getting on to the list.

PP> Have you tried moving one of the four/five standard folders
No, I was using folders I'd created

PP> Seems you have misunderstood my mail: not  alone, but PP>
_additionally_ to keeping  pressed. OK, but + doesn't
do it. As I said elsewhere, That does nothing. Actually, that's not
true, as I start to move the pointer shows the outline of a document,
but when I let go of the mouse button the highlight jumps back to the
original folder which remains unmoved.


PP> What's this thing you call 'local hierarchy'???
OK, by that I mean the structure under a top level folder. I've got

//Account
-Jobs
-Prog
|-Internet
 |-Webref
|-SQL Stuff
 |-Wire
 |-Central

The structure under "prog" what I mean by a "local" hierarchy. If I
try and manipulate this structure I can manipulate "Central" so that
it is a child of "Wire" or promote it to be a child of "Prog". I can
even promote it to be a child of "//Account". This is a good thing.
I've just discovered that I can promote *past* "//Account" to make it
a common folder, cool! I can do these things with any folder that is
INITIALLY CREATED as a child of another folder.

However, "Jobs" was created as a child of "//Account" and whilst I can
move it up and down the tree, I CANNOT promote it to common folder or
demote it to be the child of any other folder.

I suppose that, as a workaround, I could ensure that all new folders
are created as, say, a child of "inbox" and then moved to where they
need to be but it'd be nice if all (or all but the "system" folders)
acted in a consistent manner.

PP> If it doesn't you're doing something wrong or missing something
I could believe that! I've only been using the software for 7 days.




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Moving Folders about

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Hi All,

Was going to send this earlier, ran out of time, and the mysterious
vanishing emails ;)

I have setup a folder called TBUDL (guess what for? ;)).  At first I made
it a common folder, not nested under any accounts, but when I went to send
my first post to the list, it behaved rather oddly.  Instead of putting it
under the email account that the alias/identity for the folder matched, it
put it under a different one... the the list handler bounced the email as
it had the wrong From: on it (not the one subbed on the list), so I was
moving it into the account folder that I was subbed under.  It appears
when sending emails when you have the folder as common, it either randomly
picks, or uses the folder that is set to match the mailto field (which is
why I changed it, as an experiment).  Is it possible to set TB! to use a
specific account for common folders in replys/posts, or is TB! going to
randomly pick one?

If it isn't controllable, this may be something that the coders may wish
to consider for later development, just allow an extra drop down list on
the folders page that allows the user to select which account settings
they'd rather that folder use.  I can see that some people are going to
ask why am I not setting the folder under the account I want to use it
with... the main reason is this, I'm on a lot of mailling lists (maybe 30
or so).  Some of them can be grouped, such as interest, which is why I
made them common folders... and some of the lists with a common interest
(say UnderNet IRC network for example) have lists pointing to several
different accounts.  Normally I'd not have noticed this, but it only
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Re: Moving folders

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On Thursday, May 16, 2002, Pete Milne wrote...

> I  would like to take a folder with its sub folders and move them to
> another  parent  folder.  How  can  I  do  this  and keep everything
> intact??

TB!   is   pretty   smart  on  filters  etc,  and  moves  the  matches
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itself.  So select the parent you want to move, and use the CTRL SHIFT
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Re: Moving Folders

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On Thursday, January 11, 2001, 6:05:46 AM, George wrote:

>   Back to the folder thread, I was wondering were the bat keeps
> its folder information.

In ACCOUNT.FLX. But it's a binary file, so you can't edit it.

> In as that the structure is in the folders on disk, though changes
> there are not recognized by The Bat.

It's still preferred to do folder maintenance in TB. But if you do
make changes in your file manager, and want TB to "recognize" them,
then try the ctrl-alt-shift-L (4-key combination) shortcut. It tells
TB to find "lost" folders.

> Also none of the ctrl or alt + Drag options seem to work for
> me.

What's the problem? You can't move folders around with alt+dragging?

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Re: Moving Folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi George,

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:17:26 -0800GMT (12/01/01, 09:17 +0800GMT),
George F Schoelles wrote:

>>> Also none of the ctrl or alt + Drag options seem to work for
>>> me.

ML>> What's the problem? You can't move folders around with alt+dragging?

GFS> Correct, no key + mouse operation will work,

I undersatand this to mean: no (key + mouse) operation, rather than:
(no key) + mouse operation...

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Re: Moving Folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo George,

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:18:32 -0800 GMT (12/01/2001, 21:18 +0800 GMT),
George F Schoelles wrote:

GFS>>> Correct, no key + mouse operation will work,

TF>> I undersatand this to mean: no (key + mouse) operation, rather than:
TF>> (no key) + mouse operation...

TF>> This is odd. Do these combos work in other applications?

George> Yes to both statements.  It will move a folder up and down the tree
George> (of little use), but not from one tree to another, nor from trunk to
George> branch or branch to branch.

Wait... alt+mouse is supposed to move the folder only up and down the
folder tree.

To make the folder a subfolder of another folder, another combo is
needed - which alludes me at the moment. Can somebody else help out?

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Re: Moving Folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo George,

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:56:44 -0800 GMT (12/01/2001, 22:56 +0800 GMT),
George F Schoelles wrote:

George> Beats me why you would want to just move a folder up and down the tree
George> trunk, but someone must have needed it I guess.

Yeah, I like my folders in the order I like. When you create a folder,
it is always added at the bottom. But I want it more to the top, at
least before the Trash folder. Just my taste.

George> Thanks 4 trying to help.

Welcome. Someone will come up with who to move a folder into anotehr
folder as a subfolder. I think it was crtl+mouse, or shft-crtl+mouse
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Re: Moving Folders

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George,

Friday, January 12, 2001, 6:56:44 AM, George F Schoelles wrote:

GFS> Beats me why you would want to just move a folder up and
GFS> down the tree trunk, but someone must have needed it I
GFS> guess.

Well, I was very happy to learn that I could do that here.
Basically lets me sort my folders any way I want.


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Re: Moving Folders

[Juergen Frisch]

Hello Tim,

   on Friday, January 12, 2001, 16:49, you wrote:

> The only problem I have seen is trying to Alt+Drag and drop it *into*
> another folder so it is the *first* sub-folder there.  I got around
> that by creating a junk folder, moving my folder in, then delete the
> junk folder.

   [Ctrl]+[Alt]+Drag

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Re: Moving Folders

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TM> Maybe I am missing something here...

You are ;-) - *Ctrl*-Alt-Drag.

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Re: Moving Folders

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ben,

On Friday, January 26, 2001 06:36:16 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Moving Folders':

Ben> I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
Ben> folders. [...]

  Press your ALT key & drag them where you want them.

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Re: Moving Folders

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Ben,

BP> I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
BP> folders.

BP> If I can do this, can someone show me the way please?

Press  and  and move with the mouse.

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On  26  January  2001 at 06:36:16 -0700 (which was 13:36 where I live)
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BP> I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
BP> folders.

BP> If I can do this, can someone show me the way please?

Drag  a  folder while holding down both the Control and Alt keys. Drop
folder  A onto folder B and folder A becomes a sub-folder of folder B.
If  you  just  drag using the Alt key, folder A becomes a neighbour of
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Re: Moving Folders

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On January 26, 2001, at 6:09:39 AM, Wolfgang Kynast Wrote:

WK> Press  and  and move with the mouse.

This is 'somewhat' on the same topic, but if I want to move messages
from one Folder to another, what is the trick to moving them all at
once, including large threads? All I seem able to do, is move one layer
of messages at a time.


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Re: Moving Folders

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On January 26, 2001, at 4:24:48 PM, Jan Rifkinson Wrote:

JR> CTRL-SHFT-V = move thread according to the shortcut list. Never tried
JR>   it personally.  HTH

Thanks Jan for the reply, but all that does is move a thread. I want to
move all threads/all messages from one folder to another. :o(


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Re: Moving Folders

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:32:20 -0800, Nick wrote these comments:

NA> Thanks Jan for the reply, but all that does is move a thread. I
NA> want to move all threads/all messages from one folder to another.
NA> :o(

Focus on the message list. Hit , then ; select the
target folder and go. Is that what you're looking for?

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Re: Moving Folders

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Nick,

On Friday, January 26, 2001, 4:32:20 PM, you wrote:

NA> Thanks Jan for the reply, but all that does is move a thread.
NA> I want to move all threads/all messages from one folder to
NA> another. :o(

I think just select one message in the folder and hit CTRL-A to
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Re: Moving Folders

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi Allie,

Historians believe that Fri, 26 Jan 2001 at 20:06:09 GMT -0500 was when,
A . Curtis Martin [AM] typed the following:

AM> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:32:20 -0800, Nick wrote these comments:

NA>> Thanks Jan for the reply, but all that does is move a thread. I
NA>> want to move all threads/all messages from one folder to another.
NA>> :o(

AM> Focus on the message list. Hit , then ; select the
AM> target folder and go.

Just add <*> before  so you expand all threads first.
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Re: Moving Folders

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On January 26, 2001, at 10:14:45 PM, Januk Aggarwal Wrote:

JA> Just add <*> before  so you expand all threads first.
JA> Otherwise you get the one layer at a time effect.

That's the one... Thanks Januk... and thanks Allie. :o)


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AM>> Focus on the message list. Hit , then ; select the
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JA> Just add <*> before  so you expand all threads first.
JA> Otherwise you get the one layer at a time effect.

Ooops. Yes, that's right. Thanks for the correction. :=)

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Re: Moving folders

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Lynn,

On Saturday, March 17, 2001 13:58:38 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Moving folders':

Lynn> I was wondering how to move folders into other folders to make
Lynn> sub-folders? thanks

  Yes. I believe you can accomplish this by using CTRL-ALT + mouse move

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Re: Moving Folders etc

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CW> I've now set-up a new account in TB!, but want to move everything from
CW> the old account, to this newly created one.

Since you've just created it why not simply import the old
profile, rename it and change the pop-smtp settings?

CW> I've copied the 'account.cfg' file to copy the main configuration of the
CW> account (I added the new details), but I also want to move my
CW> personal/local folders and filters.

If you really did set up a new account in The Bat! not much
(hopefully) went into customizing it yet. IMHO, I would
really just import the old, rename & change settings.

CW> Can anyone advise please.

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Re: Moving Folders etc

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Victor

On Friday, December 13, 2002 03:36 your local time, which was 00:36 my
local time, Victor Gonzalez [VBG] wrote;

CW>> I've now set-up a new account in TB!, but want to move everything
CW>> from the old account, to this newly created one.

VBG> Since you've just created it why not simply import the old profile,
VBG> rename it and change the pop-smtp settings?

Good thinking! :-)

I could just overwrite the old account with the new account details and
have a basic account for the old one until it closes.

Very clever, I think I'll do that now.

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Re: Moving Folders etc

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Chris,

On Friday, December 13, 2002 00:44 our local time, Chris Weaven wrote;

> I could just overwrite the old account with the new account details
> and have a basic account for the old one until it closes.

> Very clever, I think I'll do that now.

Just finished doing it. Sent a few test mails to make sure everything
was in full working order, and passed with the all clear.

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Re: Moving Folders etc

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Hallo Chris,

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:16:44 -0800GMT (13-12-02, 9:16 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

CW> I've now set-up a new account in TB!, but want to move everything from
CW> the old account, to this newly created one.

Unless you intend to go on using the old account: Go to the old
account, change the server and address settings to those of your new
account and keep on using it as your primary account.

In case you'd like to use your old account for a while. Close TB.
Go to the directory of your old account and copy everything (folders
files) except your account.cfg to the new account.

The first is the best way to go. In case you've already received
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Re: Moving Folders etc

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Hello Chris,

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:16:44 -0800 GMT (13/12/02, 15:16 +0700 GMT),
Chris Weaven wrote:

> I've copied the 'account.cfg' file to copy the main configuration of the
> account (I added the new details), but I also want to move my
> personal/local folders and filters.

> I think I remember seeing that filters can only be copied and pasted,
> but how can I move all the folders?

Just move them. Hold down the alt key while dragging the folders with
the mouse to the new account. I've done that a couple of times when I
changed my email account which I use for this list.

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Hi,

Is it possible to move folders (including sub-folders) from within one
account to another account?

It does not seem possible to drag and drop between accounts and there
is no "copy to" or "move to" in the right click folder menus.

I want to change the account I use to deal with TB! and TBUDL but
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Re: Q: Moving folders

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Hello,

Stuart Hemming wrote at 09:29:06:

> I know I can move folders up and down but can I move them side to
> side? For example, I have
> 
> -Web Stuff
>  |- Mail list 1
>  |- Mail List 2
> - SQL Stuff
>  |- Mail list 3
> 
> I want to add a new folder called, say "work stuff" as a home for the
> above, so I would end up with,
> 
> -Work Stuff
>  |-Web Stuff
>|- Mail list 1
>|- Mail List 2
>  |- SQL Stuff
>|- Mail list 3
> 
> But I can't figure out how. Is it possible?

Press the + keys while your moving the folder (drag'n'drop)

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Re: Q: Moving folders

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Hello Stuart,

On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 10:29:06 AM you wrote in
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SH> I know I can move folders up and down but can I move them side to
SH> side?
[...]
SH> I want to add a new folder called, say "work stuff" as a home for the
SH> above, so I would end up with,
[...]
SH> But I can't figure out how. Is it possible?

Either by using the mouse to drag and drop the folder(s) while holding
 _and_  pressed ( will allow to move, additionally
 will allow to move as sub-folder).

Or, as you're using the latest Beta you can use the shortcuts

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They are explained again if you click a folder with right mouse
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Re: Q: Moving folders

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On 27 February 2002 at 09:29:06 + Stuart Hemming wrote in
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> I want to add a new folder called, say "work stuff" as a home for
> the above, so I would end up with,

> -Work Stuff
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>|- Mail List 2
>  |- SQL Stuff
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> But I can't figure out how. Is it possible?

Yes. You do one of three things:

1) Use Ctrl-Drag/drop to drop one folder *into* another.
2) Use Shift-Ctrl-Right to move a folder  into the tree
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Re: Q: Moving folders

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On 27 February 2002 at 13:08:27 +0100 (which was 12:08 where I live)
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>> 2) Use Shift-Ctrl-Right to move a folder  into the tree 3)
>> Use the right click context menu to do the same as #2.

I should have been clearer. 2 & 3 are v1.54 additions. The question
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Re: Q: Moving folders

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Hello Miguel,

On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 1:08:27 PM you wrote in
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>> 2) Use Shift-Ctrl-Right to move a folder  into the tree
>> 3) Use the right click context menu to do the same as #2.

MAU> With 1.53d also? Doesn't seem to work.

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Re: Q: Moving folders

[Peter Meyns]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:29:06 +GMT (which was 27.02.02, 10:29 +0100GMT
where I live), Stuart Hemming wrote this about "Q: Moving folders":

SH> -Work Stuff
SH>  |-Web Stuff
SH>|- Mail list 1
SH>|- Mail List 2
SH>  |- SQL Stuff
SH>|- Mail list 3

SH> But I can't figure out how. Is it possible?

Hi Stuart,

as I understand your question, you can create a new folder Work Stuff
and then drag your Web Stuff and SQL Stuff into it by holding ctrl+alt
while dxragging.
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Re: Moving Folders about

[Jonathan Angliss]

I missed a point on this email... or at least it didn't come out very
clearly anyway... the folder had the identity set to what was subbed to
this list (ie Jonathan Angliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).

On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Was going to send this earlier, ran out of time, and the mysterious
> vanishing emails ;)
>
> I have setup a folder called TBUDL (guess what for? ;)).  At first I made
> it a common folder, not nested under any accounts, but when I went to send
> my first post to the list, it behaved rather oddly.  Instead of putting it
> under the email account that the alias/identity for the folder matched, it
> put it under a different one... the the list handler bounced the email as
> it had the wrong From: on it (not the one subbed on the list), so I was
> moving it into the account folder that I was subbed under.  It appears
> when sending emails when you have the folder as common, it either randomly
> picks, or uses the folder that is set to match the mailto field (which is
> why I changed it, as an experiment).  Is it possible to set TB! to use a
> specific account for common folders in replys/posts, or is TB! going to
> randomly pick one?
>
> If it isn't controllable, this may be something that the coders may wish
> to consider for later development, just allow an extra drop down list on
> the folders page that allows the user to select which account settings
> they'd rather that folder use.  I can see that some people are going to
> ask why am I not setting the folder under the account I want to use it
> with... the main reason is this, I'm on a lot of mailling lists (maybe 30
> or so).  Some of them can be grouped, such as interest, which is why I
> made them common folders... and some of the lists with a common interest
> (say UnderNet IRC network for example) have lists pointing to several
> different accounts.  Normally I'd not have noticed this, but it only
> happened because of this list ;)
>
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Re: Moving Folders about

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Jonathan,

> I missed a point on this email... or at least it didn't come out very
> clearly anyway... the folder had the identity set to what was subbed to
> this list (ie Jonathan Angliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).


Try using the %TO and %ACCOUNT macros in your folder template(s).

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Re: Moving Folders about

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@03 May 2002, 11:34:26 +0200 (10:34 UK time) Miguel A. Urech wrote in
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>> I missed a point on this email... or at least it didn't come out
>> very clearly anyway... the folder had the identity set to what was
>> subbed to this list (ie Jonathan Angliss
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).

> Try using the %TO and %ACCOUNT macros in your folder template(s).

DON'T!

Put tbudl into your address book and put the macros in the address
book template.

Use of %TO in any folder templates is a very dangerous practice and
should be done only in emergency - in situations where address book
templates just can't be used:


I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named "Folder Templates". In
150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They
are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly.

There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that
can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates.
There are "dangers" in using Folder Templates that are not there when
you use AB templates.

The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in
templates which use the "%TO=" macro. If, at the instant you start a
new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message
gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto
without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to
excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail.

BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct
%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" without a "%TO=''" before it. So any
pre-existing addresses are retained.

Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to
something I've said with comments like "'danger' is a bit harsh" or
"I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for
me".

Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this
message yet again.

It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw.
The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make
sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended.

With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind.
Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are "a bit trickier".
Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you
have to click to the right of the new message button and select the
list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is*
a favourite in the address book).


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Re: Moving Folders about

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, May 03, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

> Hi Miguel,

>> Try using the %TO and %ACCOUNT macros in your folder template(s).

> DON'T!

> Put tbudl into your address book and put the macros in the address
> book template.

Okay... that is fine for this mailing list... but it doesn't work for
the example I set where I have people (not always in my addy book)
that email me at one of the aliases.

> Use of %TO in any folder templates is a very dangerous practice and
> should be done only in emergency - in situations where address book
> templates just can't be used:

I use them all the time for numerous lists I have that I don't have
the email address stored in my address book, and I cannot be bothered
to type (TB! saves me a bit of work ;)).  I've not seen any problems,
and in some situations such as one of the lists I'm on, I have to CC
the list as well as reply directly to the person... so I have a %CC in
the REPLY option... hitting Reply-All isn't very useful because I then
have to remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is a pain every
time.

> 
> I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named "Folder Templates". In
> 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They
> are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly.

Only two of the lists I am on don't set reply-to fields... and there
is a reason for it... but a majority of the emails are supposed to be
sent to the list, and the original sender... so I use %CC or %TO
fields.  It just makes it easier for me, I can simply click on the
folder of the list I want to send to, hit the New button, and it sets
the formatting, aliases/identity, who it is for, etc etc.  This is one
of the features I love about TB!  It saves me a lot of work... and
I've not had an issue with it before.

> There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that
> can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates.
> There are "dangers" in using Folder Templates that are not there when
> you use AB templates.

> The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in
> templates which use the "%TO=" macro. If, at the instant you start a
> new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message
> gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto
> without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to
> excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail.

I can understand that, but most of the time, I can tell straight away
by the TO field, or the signature at the bottom ;)

> BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct
> %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" without a "%TO=''" before it. So any
> pre-existing addresses are retained.

I use the second in all my templates.

> Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to
> something I've said with comments like "'danger' is a bit harsh" or
> "I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for
> me".

LOL... ps... I just did that... sorry ;)  I can understand your
comments though :)

> Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this
> message yet again.

> It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw.
> The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make
> sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended.

> With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind.
> Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are "a bit trickier".
> Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you
> have to click to the right of the new message button and select the
> list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is*
> a favourite in the address book).

But couldn't you type in the wrong email address as well?  I do that
more often than clicking on the wrong folder.  Actually that is more a
problem of my typing... I have quite a few people (let alone lists) in
my address book... sometimes if I start to type an email address in,
it auto-completes, and I don't read the rest of it... Unfortunately I
have about 4 people that start with the same first name... and it
always gets the wrong one.

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Re: Moving Folders about

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Jonathan!

On Friday, May 3, 2002 at 4:34:27 PM you wrote:

> LOL... ps... I just did that... sorry ;)  I can understand your
> comments though :)

You want to know the ironic part of Marck's statement?

I have yet to say the one instance where the one talking about "me
never" will not inevitably be afflicted within days - usually less
than a week.

Let's wait for you ... ;-)


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On Friday, May 03, 2002, Dierk Haasis wrote...

> Hello Jonathan!

> On Friday, May 3, 2002 at 4:34:27 PM you wrote:

>> LOL... ps... I just did that... sorry ;)  I can understand your
>> comments though :)

> You want to know the ironic part of Marck's statement?

> I have yet to say the one instance where the one talking about "me
> never" will not inevitably be afflicted within days - usually less
> than a week.

> Let's wait for you ... ;-)

Knowing  the way my luck has been running the last month, It'll happen
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Re[2]: Moving Folders

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Thursday, January 11, 2001, 8:29:06 AM, you wrote:

>> Also none of the ctrl or alt + Drag options seem to work for
>> me.

ML> What's the problem? You can't move folders around with alt+dragging?

Correct, no key + mouse operation will work,

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Re[2]: Moving Folders

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Hello Thomas,

Thursday, January 11, 2001, 8:10:00 PM, you wrote:

ML>>> What's the problem? You can't move folders around with alt+dragging?

GFS>> Correct, no key + mouse operation will work,

TF> I undersatand this to mean: no (key + mouse) operation, rather than:
TF> (no key) + mouse operation...

TF> This is odd. Do these combos work in other applications?


Yes to both statements.  It will move a folder up and down the tree
(of little use), but not from one tree to another, nor from trunk to
branch or branch to branch.

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Friday, January 12, 2001, 6:24:48 AM, you wrote:

TF> Wait... alt+mouse is supposed to move the folder only up and down the
TF> folder tree.

TF> To make the folder a subfolder of another folder, another combo is
TF> needed - which alludes me at the moment. Can somebody else help out?

Beats me why you would want to just move a folder up and down the tree
trunk, but someone must have needed it I guess.

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Re[2]: Moving Folders

[Tim Musson]

Hey Thomas,

Friday, January 12, 2001, 10:26:36 AM, you wrote:

TF> Welcome. Someone will come up with who to move a folder into anotehr
TF> folder as a subfolder. I think it was crtl+mouse, or shft-crtl+mouse
TF> or so, try it out.

I just tried creating a new folder then moving it.  I was able to
Alt+Drag it from the top level to another level in the tree, and to
another account with no problem!

Maybe I am missing something here...

The only problem I have seen is trying to Alt+Drag and drop it *into*
another folder so it is the *first* sub-folder there.  I got around
that by creating a junk folder, moving my folder in, then delete the
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[Tim Musson]

Hey Marck,

Friday, January 12, 2001, 11:08:25 AM, you wrote:

TM>> Maybe I am missing something here...

MDP> You are ;-) - *Ctrl*-Alt-Drag.

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Re[2]: Moving Folders

[Ben Pugsley]

Hi Jan,

That seems to work when moving them to a different order, but when I want to
move a folder to a "Sub Folder" located within another folder, it doesn't
seem to work for me.

Friday, January 26, 2001, 6:50:50 AM, you wrote:

JR> Hello Ben,

JR> On Friday, January 26, 2001 06:36:16 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
JR> following in regards to 'Moving Folders':

Ben>> I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
Ben>> folders. [...]

JR>   Press your ALT key & drag them where you want them.




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[Ben Pugsley]

Hi Wolfgang,

GREAT!  That saves me a lot of work.

I did look in Help, but didn't find this information.  Did I miss it, or does
Help need a little Help?  :-))

Friday, January 26, 2001, 7:09:39 AM, you wrote:

WK> Hi Ben,

BP>> I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
BP>> folders.

BP>> If I can do this, can someone show me the way please?

WK> Press  and  and move with the mouse.




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[George F Schoelles]

Hello Ben,

Friday, January 26, 2001, 6:09:18 AM, you wrote:

BP> That seems to work when moving them to a different order, but when I want to
BP> move a folder to a "Sub Folder" located within another folder, it doesn't
BP> seem to work for me.

Use Ctl+Alt+drag

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Re[3]: Moving Folders

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ben,

On Friday, January 26, 2001 07:27:32 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Moving Folders':

Ben> I did look in Help, but didn't find this information. Did I miss
Ben> it, or does Help need a little Help? :-))

  I think it is safe to say that help needs a little help as do some
  members like me. ;-) Sorry I wasn't able to provide you with accurate
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[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Nick,

On Friday, January 26, 2001 15:25:20 [ -0800 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Moving Folders':

Nick> [...] if I want to move messages
Nick> from one Folder to another, what is the trick to moving them all at
Nick> once, including large threads? [...]

  CTRL-SHFT-V = move thread according to the shortcut list. Never tried
  it personally.  HTH

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Re[2]: Moving Folders

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Januk,

On Saturday, January 27, 2001 22:14:45 [ -0800 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Moving Folders':

Januk> Just add <*> before  so you expand all threads first.
Januk> Otherwise you get the one layer at a time effect.

  Because of this I discovered I had re-assigned CTRL-A to another use.
  Its now back where it belongs. Double thanks.

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Re: Moving folders between accocunts

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello c,

On Tuesday, August 14, 2001 at 9:43:53 AM you wrote:

cspnn> It does not seem possible to drag and drop between accounts and there
cspnn> is no "copy to" or "move to" in the right click folder menus.

drag & drop is possible.
select the folder to move, hold , click with left mouse button on
the 'to move' folder and drag it.
If you want the folder finally to be a subfolder hold  too before you
click with left mouse and start dragging.
AFAICS a copy of folder is not (yet?) possible (at least not this way, the
normal additional key for copying is ).

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Re: Moving folders between accocunts

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> Thanks Peter but that doesn't work!
> I cannot drag a folder from one account to another (which is what I
> want to do).

> I have several sub-folders within a TBUDL folder in account A.
> I want to move that folder, along with all the sub-folders, into
> account B. When I try the above drag and drop method, the folder
> doesn't move.

Hello Carren,

I just sent you an email with pretty detailed instructions. To make it
easier for yourself, do collapse the folder group before dragging it
by it's main folder. Drop it onto a folder in the new account that you
want your new folders to reside just above in the tree (for instance -
if you drop it onto the trash folder, it will actually land just above
the trash folder).  Be sure to hold down the "Alt" key as you drag.

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Re[2]: Q: Moving folders

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hi Marck,

> 2) Use Shift-Ctrl-Right to move a folder  into the tree
> 3) Use the right click context menu to do the same as #2.

With 1.53d also? Doesn't seem to work.

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Moving Folders Around in Account Tree

[Dwight A Corrin]

Time was when you could hold down the ALT key and drag folders. That
doesn't seem to work any more with 3.5. I have common folders nested
as many as 3 or 4 layers deep. I wanted to move a folder from 2nd
level into a different primary catagory on 3rd level. This would have
been a simple operation before. Now there is move up move down move in
move out. Each time you punch the three buttons, you manage to move
the folder one step. When you get to the end of the group where it is
nested, you have to move it out to the level of the next group. then
you can jump to the bottom of the next group, and when you get to the
bottom of of the group where you want to next, you can move in, then
up one step at a time.

It seems absurd to have to figure all this out, and to have to go
through this process, when one of the better things about GUI's is the
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Re[2]: Moving folders between accocunts

[c . stuart]

Tuesday, August 14, 2001, 7:54:53 PM, Peter wrote:
   



PP> Hello c,

PP> On Tuesday, August 14, 2001 at 9:43:53 AM you wrote:

cspnn>> It does not seem possible to drag and drop between accounts and there
cspnn>> is no "copy to" or "move to" in the right click folder menus.

PP> drag & drop is possible.
PP> select the folder to move, hold , click with left mouse button on
PP> the 'to move' folder and drag it.
PP> If you want the folder finally to be a subfolder hold  too before you
PP> click with left mouse and start dragging.
PP> AFAICS a copy of folder is not (yet?) possible (at least not this way, the
PP> normal additional key for copying is ).

PP> HTH Pit

Thanks Peter but that doesn't work!
I cannot drag a folder from one account to another (which is what I
want to do).

I have several sub-folders within a TBUDL folder in account A.
I want to move that folder, along with all the sub-folders, into
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Re[2]: Moving folders between accocunts

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MR> Hello Carren,

MR> I just sent you an email with pretty detailed instructions. To make
it
MR> easier for yourself, do collapse the folder group before dragging
it
MR> by it's main folder. Drop it onto a folder in the new account that
you
MR> want your new folders to reside just above in the tree (for
instance -
MR> if you drop it onto the trash folder, it will actually land just
above
MR> the trash folder).  Be sure to hold down the "Alt" key as you drag.

MR> Melissa

Thanks Melissa,

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Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

When I create a new rule and try to move it with Alt and the mouse, if I
slip it downwards instead of upwards, I usually get an access violation,
like the message attached.  Access violations then occur each time I try
to edit the filters, until I stop and restart TB.  Nothing is corrupted
and everything works fine after I restart the client.

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Re: Moving Folders Around in Account Tree

[MAU]

Hello Dwight,

> Time was when you could hold down the ALT key and drag folders. That
> doesn't seem to work any more with 3.5.

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Re: Moving Folders Around in Account Tree

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 6:00:25 PM, Peter Ouwehand wrote:

> Doesn't seem to be a problem here. But, are you ALT-LMB-ing on the
> icon or or the name? ALT-LMB-ing on the icon won't work (here), on
> the name it will.

You are correct. That seems like odd behavior too, but better than
what I thought.

I think I got in the habit of grabbing the folder not the name because
either TB! or some other file manager spot tends to offer the chance
to rename the file instead of allowing one to grab and drag it.

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Re: Moving Folders Around in Account Tree

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Peter,

  Sorry to hijack, but I tried replying to your PM Peter and it bounced
back, twice. Any ideas why.


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Re: Moving Folders Around in Account Tree

[Natasha V Pearce]

Hi Dwight

DAC> Each  time  you  punch the three buttons, you manage to move the folder one
DAC> step.  When you get to the end of the group where it is nested, you have to
DAC> move it out to the level of the next group. then you can jump to the bottom
DAC> of the next group, and when you get to the bottom of of the group where you
DAC> want to next, you can move in, then up one step at a time.

I know others have already answered this from a GUI perspective, but for those
interested in the keyboard specifics...

TB!  allows you to press Move Out at any time to move your folder out one level,
then you only need to use Move Up/Down at the destination level. That's how it's
working for me, at least.

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Re: Moving Folders Around in Account Tree

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 8:26:45 PM, Natasha V Pearce wrote:

> I know others have already answered this from a GUI perspective, but
> for those interested in the keyboard specifics...

> TB! allows you to press Move Out at any time to move your folder out
> one level, then you only need to use Move Up/Down at the destination
> level. That's how it's working for me, at least.

I realized that as soon as I went back to move a 2nd one, but had to
get there by trial and error because I wasn't expecting to get stuck
on the way down the tree the first time.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[finalcut]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski

On 20.October.2004, 3:14 PM (Now: 20.October.2004, 3:50 PM),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

AGA> When I create a new rule and try to move it with Alt and the mouse, if I
AGA> slip it downwards instead of upwards, I usually get an access violation,
AGA> like the message attached.  Access violations then occur each time I try
AGA> to edit the filters, until I stop and restart TB.  Nothing is corrupted
AGA> and everything works fine after I restart the client.

I had this bug with the same version that you have right now
I suggest you to upgrade to a more recent version of TB!

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I had this bug with the same version that you have right now
> I suggest you to upgrade to a more recent version of TB!

Uh, I only upgraded to this version six days ago.  Do I have to upgrade
this product once a day, or what?

I've also noticed that this problem may be hanging to client in some
way; I noticed it hanging on POP3 access, but after I killed the process
it worked again.  Not sure what's happening there.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] & everyone else

20-Okt-2004 21:51, you wrote:

AGA>> When I create a new rule and try to move it with Alt and the mouse, if I
AGA>> slip it downwards instead of upwards, I usually get an access violation,
AGA>> like the message attached.  Access violations then occur each time I try
AGA>> to edit the filters, until I stop and restart TB.  Nothing is corrupted
AGA>> and everything works fine after I restart the client.

> I had this bug with the same version that you have right now
> I suggest you to upgrade to a more recent version of TB!

Ahem... Anthony is using 3.0.1.33 which *is* the latest stable release
version, the only more recent version is 3.0.2.1 (which is a beta), and the
stability of that release is, according to the posts here, even more
questionable...

(btw. I just saw that I, after thinking "wow, lucky I don't have any
problems" forgot to actually install 3.0.2.1 ... so its "wait and see" for
me now)

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Anthony,

old message...
AGA> When I create a new rule and try to move it with Alt and the mouse, if I
AGA> slip it downwards instead of upwards, I usually get an access violation,
AGA> like the message attached.  Access violations then occur each time I try
AGA> to edit the filters, until I stop and restart TB.  Nothing is corrupted
AGA> and everything works fine after I restart the client.

My reply...

I would like to speak a little about operating system stability and
the Bat!.  The Bat is written in a very high level language that does
not touch deep operating system problems.  Since the Bat! only works
on Windows machines, people really need to look to their OS before
complaining.

Microsoft Windows, all version, are, by nature, self corrupting.  They
store data incorrectly, never clean themselves up and work off a
registry that is not self correcting.  I know this and say this
because I worked for 16 years in Redmond Washington, for Microsoft.

Engineers who work on windows all follow this simple rule:  Every six
months, backup your important data, not the programs, and reformat the
hard drive, and reinstall windows.  Then reinstall the programs and
copy back the data.  I have done this ever since windows 95, and have
never had any problems with programs giving Access Violations.  The
Bat! has always worked well for me.  It has been tough to learn, and I
wish they would document, but the program, now at version 3.02.1 works
flawlessly.

So, before you jump on the instability of The Bat!, backup, reformat
and reinstall.  You will be amazed at the speed of your new machine
and how stable it is. Every six months...I am not kidding.

Personal note:  for me, it takes about 6 hours every six months.  I
keep my music and pictures on multiple removable drives so that they
are always backed up.  I format it, and reinstall, which takes about
an hour, then I reinstall the programs I need, not everything I have.
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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Anthony,

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:14:48 +0200GMT (20-10-2004, 21:14 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

AGA> When I create a new rule and try to move it with Alt and the mouse, if I
AGA> slip it downwards instead of upwards, I usually get an access violation,
AGA> like the message attached.

What happens when you try to move the filter with the up and down
arrows in the toolbar?

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 20-Oct-04 2:51pm -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I had this bug with the same version that you have right now
> I suggest you to upgrade to a more recent version of TB!

He has the latest version of TB!

I certainly wouldn't recommend that buggy beta to
anyone not on the beta list - I've tested it, written
a bug report and, like many others, backed off to the
release version.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Roelof Otten writes:

> What happens when you try to move the filter with the up and down
> arrows in the toolbar?

I haven't tried it.  Next time I'll try that and see what happens.  I
don't create new rules very often.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Michael L. Wilson writes:

> I would like to speak a little about operating system stability and
> the Bat!.  The Bat is written in a very high level language that does
> not touch deep operating system problems.  Since the Bat! only works
> on Windows machines, people really need to look to their OS before
> complaining.

It's not the operating system.

> The Bat! has always worked well for me. It has been tough to learn,
> and I wish they would document, but the program, now at version 3.02.1
> works flawlessly.

The program works well enough for me, also, which is why I use it. It
does have bugs, though--too many to make it successful as a mass-market
or enterprise product. The lack of documentation and support also
effectively excludes it from enterprise implementations (few
corporations would be willing to roll a program like this out to 40,000
desktops--it would be a support nightmare).

> So, before you jump on the instability of The Bat!, backup, reformat
> and reinstall.  You will be amazed at the speed of your new machine
> and how stable it is. Every six months...I am not kidding.

You may not be kidding, but the suggestion is nevertheless unreasonable
and unwarranted.  The OS is not the source of the access violations.  I
have _never_ done backups, reformats, and reinstallations to fix
problems--even for OS problems, it's almost never necessary, especially
with today's operating systems.

> Every six months, and I have two very stable windows machines.

I've had stable Windows machines for a decade, and they've never been
reinstalled or reformatted.  I back them up regularly, of course, as I
would any system, but I've never experienced any problem that required
restoring from backup, either.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Michael L. Wilson & everyone else

21-Okt-2004 00:03, you wrote:

> I know this and say this because I worked for 16 years in Redmond
> Washington, for Microsoft

Since we remember (from the days of *that* signature of yours *g*) that you
are a teacher, critic and ecclesiastic (sp?) philosopher, may I ask what
position you did occupy there? [no stab at discrediting you or something
intended, I'd just find it interesting to know what kinda people are
working for Microsoft, you know...]

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> Hello Michael L. Wilson & everyone else

> 21-Okt-2004 00:03, you wrote:

>> I know this and say this because I worked for 16 years in Redmond
>> Washington, for Microsoft

> Since we remember (from the days of *that* signature of yours *g*) that you
> are a teacher, critic and ecclesiastic (sp?) philosopher, may I ask what
> position you did occupy there? [no stab at discrediting you or something
> intended, I'd just find it interesting to know what kinda people are
> working for Microsoft, you know...]

Pphhoo...! (: I couldn't hold my breath anymore. :grin:

Well...? 

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Michael Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: "Alexander S. Kunz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 21, 2004 8:39 AM
To: "Michael L. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

Hello Michael L. Wilson & everyone else

21-Okt-2004 00:03, you wrote:

> I know this and say this because I worked for 16 years in Redmond
> Washington, for Microsoft

>Since we remember (from the days of *that* signature of yours *g*) that you
>are a teacher, critic and ecclesiastic (sp?) philosopher, may I ask what
>position you did occupy there? [no stab at discrediting you or something
>ntended, I'd just find it interesting to know what kinda people are
>working for Microsoft, you know...]

I was software QA.  My job was to setup new systems and see what happened to the 
registry and temp files area after installing third party items.  I was in several 
meetings where memos from Hard Drive comapnies were used by programmers to purposly 
not delete temp and old items.  In this way, MWindows would fill up a hard drive 
quickly and cause the user to buy a new one.

Windows XP is the best and most stable, as hard drive size increases have virtually 
stopped.  If 95 or 98 or me is used, the DOS kernal is the most unstable.  DOs is not 
multi-tasking, multi-user or multi-threading, and windoes tries to add all those 
features while DOs is fighting it.  NT is for servers.  200 is bloatware.  XP is the 
first, sort-of departure from old paterns.  It too, however, self-corrupts
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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Michael Wilson writes:

> I was software QA. My job was to setup new systems and see what
> happened to the registry and temp files area after installing third
> party items. I was in several meetings where memos from Hard Drive
> comapnies were used by programmers to purposly not delete temp and old
> items. In this way, MWindows would fill up a hard drive quickly and
> cause the user to buy a new one.

There were no such meetings.

> Windows XP is the best and most stable, as hard drive size
> increases have virtually stopped.

If the meetings you mention above had actually taken place, it wouldn't
matter how stable XP is.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Michael Wilson & everyone else

21-Okt-2004 18:38, you wrote:

> Windows XP is the best and most stable, as hard drive size increases have
> virtually stopped.

Uhm. I beg to differ, my experience is vastly different. HDD usage has
*never* increased more during daily usage than with Win XP. My system
partition (without additional programs - I have the program files on a
different partition) for XP is 4GB; after installation XP took 2GB, and now
its at 3.2GB - within about half a year ever since I switched to XP. Hello,
where's dem gigs goin' to? I haven't yet peeked into the partition to find
out where all that space is lost...

BUT: my W2k partition was 2GB and the occupied size (1.5GB) never changed
very much.

> If 95 or 98 or me is used, the DOS kernal is the most unstable.

Yes, because it is *MS* DOS... 

> DOs is not multi-tasking, multi-user or multi-threading, and windoes
> tries to add all those features while DOs is fighting it.

Plus MS never learned how to implement multitasking and multithreading
propperly. Can you say AmigaOS? :-)

> NT is for servers. 200 is bloatware. XP is the first, sort-of departure
> from old paterns. It too, however, self-corrupts

Given the ratio of performance and stability, the NT series had its peak
with W2k - and XP is already a step backwards, there's no denying it. My
W2k installation at home (with moderate installation/deinstallation of
programs and drivers and stuff over time) never let me down in about three
years, the XP installation at work (with an almost *fixed* set of programs
and the occasional security updates) is already close to shipwrecked in
about one and half years.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> Uhm. I beg to differ, my experience is vastly different. HDD usage has
> *never* increased more during daily usage than with Win XP. My system
> partition (without additional programs - I have the program files on a
> different partition) for XP is 4GB; after installation XP took 2GB, and now
> its at 3.2GB - within about half a year ever since I switched to XP. Hello,
> where's dem gigs goin' to? I haven't yet peeked into the partition to find
> out where all that space is lost...

It's not the OS.  I've been running XP for years and there has been no
increase in disk usage.

You do empty the Recycle Bin occasionally, right?

> Plus MS never learned how to implement multitasking and multithreading
> propperly. Can you say AmigaOS? :-)

It is done correctly in the NT-based versions of Windows.  Other
versions of Windows left much to be desired, but they were no worse than
other desktop operating systems of their generation.

> Given the ratio of performance and stability, the NT series had its peak
> with W2k - and XP is already a step backwards, there's no denying it.

MS adds bells and whistles to please it's largely unsophisticated
customer base.  It destabilizes the OS but it pleases the average-Joe
consumer.

> ... the XP installation at work (with an almost *fixed* set of programs
> and the occasional security updates) is already close to shipwrecked in
> about one and half years.

I've had no trouble with XP in years (it has been several years since I
first installed it, I'm not sure how many).

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

22-Okt-2004 19:43, you wrote:

> You do empty the Recycle Bin occasionally, right?

Pal, with statements that ridiculous I don't dare continuing this OT
conversation, sorry. I mean... no, I don't mean... you haven't been there,
so I'll just stop here... :-)

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> Pal, with statements that ridiculous I don't dare continuing this OT
> conversation, sorry. I mean... no, I don't mean... you haven't been there,
> so I'll just stop here... :-)

I used to do technical support, and that's a standard question, along
the lines of "have you plugged the machine in."  It's surprising how
often the answer to questions like these turns out to be "no."  That's
why pilots have checklists.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

23-Okt-2004 08:27, you wrote:

> That's why pilots have checklists

The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
going on... :)

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 therefore including Me as well:

> Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

> 23-Okt-2004 08:27, you wrote:

>> That's why pilots have checklists

> The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
> going on... :)

Pilots also have idiot boxes all over the globe. They are called
"airports".

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
> going on... :)

The vast majority of callers to tech support don't know what they are
doing, and there's no way to tell which callers _do_ know what they are
doing.  Not going through the checklist is an excellent way to waste
huge amounts of time chasing after details when the solution to the
problem is staring one right in the face.  It works for NASA; it will
work for everyone else.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> It works for NASA; it will work for everyone else.

It didn't work for the shuttle.

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