subject:"New User Questions"

Re: (Sort of) New User Questions

2022-06-09 Thread Fred Weissman

Thanks Jernej!

I've looked at the Editor/Viewer options a million times and must've skipped 
over HTML Viewer. Once I disabled that everything fell into place, including 
how my adding attachments. 

As for changing the email address of this list, it was right where you said it 
would be - thanks very much for the link.

Appreciate the help. 


> On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 20:17:55, Fred Weissman wrote:

>> 1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when 
>> absolutely necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in 
>> plain-text. Where and what are the proper settings to make this the default 
>> no matter what format the reply is?

> Check out the options in Preferences → Viewer/Editor, everything you need is 
> there.

>> 2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a 
>> reply, it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have 
>> attachments as icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how 
>> can I make this the default?

> Not sure about this – my attachments always appear in a separate pane.

>> 3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email 
>> address? I signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to 
>> another.

> Check if there's an option at 
> , but 
> otherwise you have to unsubscribe with old address and subscribe with the new 
> one.



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Re: (Sort of) New User Questions

2022-06-09 Thread Jernej Simončič

On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 20:17:55, Fred Weissman wrote:

> 1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when 
> absolutely necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in 
> plain-text. Where and what are the proper settings to make this the default 
> no matter what format the reply is?

Check out the options in Preferences → Viewer/Editor, everything you need is 
there.

> 2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a 
> reply, it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have 
> attachments as icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how 
> can I make this the default?

Not sure about this – my attachments always appear in a separate pane.

> 3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email address? 
> I signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to another.

Check if there's an option at 
, but otherwise 
you have to unsubscribe with old address and subscribe with the new one.

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(Sort of) New User Questions

2022-06-09 Thread Fred Weissman


After many (many!) years of using v2, I finally ungraded to v10. Needless to 
say, there have been a few changes, most of which I have figured out. Here are 
a couple with which I need help.
 
1- I'm  a plain-text person, not HTML. I will use it for email when absolutely 
necessary. I want my new messages -and- my replies to be in plain-text. Where 
and what are the proper settings to make this the default no matter what format 
the reply is?
 
2- Perhaps related to #1, when I add an attachment to a new message or a reply, 
it becomes part of the body of the message. In v2 I was to have attachments as 
icons in a pane to the left of the message editor. Again, how can I make this 
the default?
 
3- In regards to this mailing list (TBUDL) how can I change my email address? I 
signed up with one address, but am now needing to change to another.
 
Thanks.
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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Gary,

@27 June 2002, 21:40:04 -0500 (03:40 UK time) Gary Lucas in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from
 displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine.

The pages work perfectly on IE 5.5 and later, Mozilla and many others.
NetScape is buggy and there's nothing I can do about that and I'm
trying to code around some of Opera's shortcomings. With those
provisos the FAQ works well and includes a link at the front page to a
flat version which will work on any browser.

 There seem to be paragraph and block formatting functions, but can't
 figure out how to do simple formatting like bolding/highlighting
 text.

Probably Outlook Express g. TB is a plain text email client. You
can't set character attributes in plain text. You have to use ASCII
emphasising like *bold*, /italic/, _underline_ and SHOUTING. This is
actually the only way to ensure that the person receiving your message
can understand the stresses where they appear. Let's face it, email is
about who we are sending it to, not about what we see. The best of all
worlds is where we can guarantee that what we see is what we send is
what the recipient sees. The Bat! is one of the best in the world at
that job.

 Is a local font change possible? Am I missing something?

That's a matter of changing the editor preferences. It won't affect
what you send. Also, again because of the plain text limitation and
because of the column formatting capabilities of the editor, you are
restricted to using fixed width fonts in the editor. You may be able
to get hold of some alternatives. One favourite is Andale Mono,
available from the MS downloads site.

 ... It would be much nicer to have it open a new-mail list

It is one. Just enable the Message list of the Browse ticker
messages folder view window that opens when you double click on the
ticker.

 Also, the silly banner won't go away unless I read all the messages.
 Isn't there some way to dismiss it? It seems like the only choices
 here are to have NO ALERTING or to have NUISSANCE ALERTING. Is there
 some work around?

No, but I keep mine minimal by shrinking it to the smallest possible
width and sliding it off the edge of the screen so that only a half
inch of it is visible.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Tim Musson


Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes you used Sylpheed version 0.7.5claws (GTK+ 1.2.9; i586-pc-linux-gnu)
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on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 11:04:21 PM.

JA You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a
JA certain amount of time.

Where is this set? I know I can set it to go away after all messages
are a certain age, to get it to go away after X amount of time? Could
be useful.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Gary Lucas


Hi Marck,   Thursday, June 27, 2002 09:04

  Thanks for the helpful reply.

  However, I think there may still be a problem with the FAQ page.  I am using
  IE 6.0.2600.IC under Win 98/SE 4.10.A and I have all the latest
  Win 98 and IE update patches from Microsoft.  Still, the FAQ reports
  Done, but with errors on page after loading and all that gets displayed is
  one line at the top and a white background.  No links or anything.

--Gary

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To: Gary Lucas on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:22:59 AM
Subject: New User Questions
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Hi Gary,

@27 June 2002, 21:40:04 -0500 (03:40 UK time) Gary Lucas in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from
 displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine.

The pages work perfectly on IE 5.5 and later, Mozilla and many others.
NetScape is buggy and there's nothing I can do about that and I'm
trying to code around some of Opera's shortcomings. With those
provisos the FAQ works well and includes a link at the front page to a
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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Gary,

@27 June 2002, 09:26:05 -0500 (15:26 UK time) Gary Lucas in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

 However, I think there may still be a problem with the FAQ page. I
 am using IE 6.0.2600.IC under Win 98/SE 4.10.A and I have
 all the latest Win 98 and IE update patches from Microsoft. Still,
 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of IE as
you do and the page has no errors. Really! Write to me privately if
you want to get involved with helping me debug this issue.

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Re[2]: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Sudip Pokhrel


Hi Marck,

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:58:53 +0100 GMT (6/27/02, 20:43 NST),
you [MDP] wrote:

 Still,
 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of IE as
MDP you do and the page has no errors.

Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem.
Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer to
i.e. where is it?


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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Jonathan Angliss


On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Tim Musson wrote...

JA You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a
JA certain amount of time.

 Where is this set? I know I can set it to go away after all messages
 are a certain age, to get it to go away after X amount of time? Could
 be useful.

Well... more like a certain age limit on the emails itself.  If you
right click the mail ticker next time it is up, go to Messages then
Age Limits.  Set a value.  After a certain period of time, the age
of the message is met, and it is removed from the ticker.  Which, in
theory, if it's the last message, should hide the ticker again.

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Sudip,

@27 June 2002, 21:02:35 +0545 (16:17 UK time) Sudip Pokhrel in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of
MDP IE as you do and the page has no errors.

 Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem.

I think yours is a different problem. Like I said earlier, turn off
Identify as IE and make it Identify as Opera before viewing.

 Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer
 to i.e. where is it?

In the middle of the page you say is blank.

You can get directly to the flat version on
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Gary Lucas


Hi,   Thursday, June 27, 2002 20:13

OK. I installed both Beonex and Netscape 7.0 for a tryout.
Beonex has the look and feel of Netscape 7.0 but seems to be faster.

The FAQ page displays with Beonex and with Netscape 7.0, just fine.

The FAQ page does not display under either Netscape 4.7 or IE 6.0.
I get javascript errors and a blank page in both cases.

I think Beonex is going to be my new default browser.

--Gary

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To: Sudip Pokhrel on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002, 10:56:49 AM
Subject: New User Questions
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Hi Sudip,

@27 June 2002, 21:02:35 +0545 (16:17 UK time) Sudip Pokhrel in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone:

 the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and
 all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white
 background. No links or anything.

MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of
MDP IE as you do and the page has no errors.

 Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem.

I think yours is a different problem. Like I said earlier, turn off
Identify as IE and make it Identify as Opera before viewing.

 Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer
 to i.e. where is it?

In the middle of the page you say is blank.

You can get directly to the flat version on
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Gary,

@28 June 2002, 20:26:14 -0500 (02:26 UK time) Gary Lucas in
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 The FAQ page does not display under either Netscape 4.7

This is expected behaviour.

 or IE 6.0.

This is not!

 I get javascript errors and a blank page in both cases.

IE4.0 gives errors. IE6 should display perfectly. Could you possibly
do a View source and send me the results off-list?

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Re: New User Questions

2002-06-26 Thread Jonathan Angliss


Hi Gary,
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:40:04 -0500, you wrote:

 Questions:
 
 The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from displaying in
 both Netscape and IE on my machine.  I wrote to report this at the support
 address but they just seem to ignore any questions.  Is there something I need
 to do to be able to view the FAQ?   It would be nice for new users.

I believe the FAQ is run by one of the moderators on this list, and not by
RitLabs themselves... Maybe Marck can answer that one ;)

 There seem to be paragraph and block formatting functions, but can't figure
 out how to do simple formatting like bolding/highlighting text. Is a local
 font change possible? Am I missing something?

Bold as in the person you're sending it to sees bold?  That is HTML formating,
and TB doesn't send in html (yet).  If you mean locally, there is an option
under Options - Editor Preferences I think where you can change your locally
viewed windows, but this has no affect on the recipient of the email.


 The message banner is adequate when there is one message, but when there are
 many it essentially worthless, except as an alert.  It would be much nicer to
 have it open a new-mail list where I could chose what I want to read and
 mark other messages as Read or Deferred.  I know this banner is sorta a
 trademark, but are there any plans to make it useful too?

Next time you double click to bring up a message, go to View - Message list (I
think that's the option).  It'll then display all the unread messages that are
being shown in the ticker.

 Also, the silly banner won't go away unless I read all the messages.  Isn't
 there some way to dismiss it?  It seems like the only choices here are to have
 NO ALERTING or to have NUISSANCE ALERTING.  Is there some work around?

You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a certain amount
of time.  With the timer up, I think you can right click on it, and there are a
set of properties you can modify.

Hope these help a little.

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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-02 Thread Januk Aggarwal


Hello ETM,

It was foretold that on Sunday, December 2, 2001 at 02:48 GMT -0500,
ETM [E] would type:

E First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?

I think OE can export to .eml files, right?  If so, then just rename
the .eml files to .msg (I have a VBScript to automate the renaming
process, let me know if you're interested.)  You can import .msg files
quite easily.

E I know where the approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I
E cannot get the Mail Import Wizard to accept the location. Is it
E because I am not yet working with a registered program or is it the
E OE version?

TB's trial is fully functional.  It must be the OE version.

You seem to deal with a lot of mail in archives.  For that task, many
people on another list swear by a program called Mailbag Assistant
http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html.  It works with many
mailers, including OE and TB.  The list where I first heard about it
is the Power Tools Software list on Yahoo groups.  You can check out
the webpage at http://www.tr1be.com/powertools/index.html
The owner occasionally runs contests for members.  You should ask him
about this month's contest and promotions.


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Re[2]: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-02 Thread Geoff Lane


Sunday, December 02, 2001, 7:48:57 AM, ETM wrote:

 First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?  I know where the
 approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I cannot get the Mail Import
 Wizard to accept the location.  Is it because I am not yet working with a
 registered program or is it the OE version?

When I imported messages from OE5.5, the Import wizard didn't ask
where the files were -- it just needed to know that I wanted to import
from OE.

From the way that TB imports from my copy of OE5.5, I suspect that OE
is set up incorrectly on your computer. Can you see those messages
from your default OE account?

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NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread ETM


I am a brand new user, so please bear with me.  I also want to apologize for
double-posting, my original post picked up a previous subject line and I
feel certain it has been lost in that thread.

I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE.  Can that be imported into the BAT?
Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the BAT?

I tend to use mail as a filing system, maintain many folders/filters (and
successfully set them up this morning in the BAT and they are properly
working).  OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders
using simple search terms and different fields.  Is there a similar search
capability for mail filed in the BAT?

In regard to the BAT's treatment of attachments, I have always filtered
attachments in OE as a protective mechanism because of its vulnerabilities
to problems.  From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of
attachments.  How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem
attachments?  I noticed that ZA renamed/disarmed an attachment downloaded
into BAT this AM, but wasn't positive that the mail program itself also
hadn't done something to render the attachment harmless.

I use Win98SE, will probably remain with IE5.50, although I might experiment
with Opera, and maintain an AV program and use Zone-Alarm-Pro since I am on
cable connection.

This AM program installation, setup, and subsequent download of my Yahoo
mail was my first occasion to use this program.  I am a heavy user of
mailing lists, focusing on genealogy, and manage several of the Rootsweb
lists.  I am probably dealing with on average 1,000 emails a day, so there
is some immediacy to my picking up the nuances necessary to managing my
mail.

I used four accounts, one with my cable system, three via yahoo pop3
download, into OE.  I would like a similar set-up for the BAT.

Many thanks for help and suggestions.

Elaine





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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread Jernej Simoni


Hello ETM,

1. december 2001, 21:32:25, you wrote:

 I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE.  Can that be imported into the BAT?
 Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the BAT?

I don't know about any size limitation, but I do find The Bat faster
with large amounts of messages than OE. I remember that OE became very
slow (up to 5 seconds to open) with around 500 messages in one folder,
while TB displays folder with 6000 messages (threaded) in 2 seconds on
my computer (AMD 800, 256 MB ram).

Note that on importing, you may loose some messages - when I went from
OE to TB, I had about 5000 messages there, and I found 4 messages
corrupted.

 I tend to use mail as a filing system, maintain many folders/filters (and
 successfully set them up this morning in the BAT and they are properly
 working).  OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders
 using simple search terms and different fields.  Is there a similar search
 capability for mail filed in the BAT?

TB has search capactibility for either one folder (with or w/o
subfolders), whole account or all accounts. You can choose where to
search, but you can't define separate strings to search for in
different fields (the string will be searched for in all selected
fields). You can use  and | as boolean search operators, or use
regular expressions for advanced searches. See Tools - Search for
more info.

 In regard to the BAT's treatment of attachments, I have always filtered
 attachments in OE as a protective mechanism because of its vulnerabilities
 to problems.  From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of
 attachments.  How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem
 attachments?  I noticed that ZA renamed/disarmed an attachment downloaded
 into BAT this AM, but wasn't positive that the mail program itself also
 hadn't done something to render the attachment harmless.

TB doesn't change the attachments. It won't execute them
automatically, and will warn you if the attachment is potentially
dangerous.

 I use Win98SE, will probably remain with IE5.50, although I might experiment
 with Opera, and maintain an AV program and use Zone-Alarm-Pro since I am on
 cable connection.

I replaced ZoneAlarm with Tiny Personal Firewall, because:
- ZoneAlarm took too many resources
- I didn't like it's yellow color :)

And I'm a long time Opera user (since 3.50). I just can't browse
without MDI anymore :)

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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread Januk Aggarwal


Hello ETM,

On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 15:32 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking
ETM [E] wrote:

E I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the
E BAT?

There should be no problem doing that.  Check out Tools - Import
Wizard.

E Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the
E BAT?

Not that I know of.  Each folder in TB is a different message base.
If you notice a folder is too slow, you can just split the messages
into two (or more) folders and the speed should be improved.

Also, make sure you use the Purge all folders option regularly.
When you delete a message, it is only marked as deleted.  When you use
the Compress option, the deleted messages are actually removed.  The
Purge option applies the limits you might have defined in the
folder properties and then runs the compress option.

E OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders
E using simple search terms and different fields. Is there a similar
E search capability for mail filed in the BAT?

The general search tool can be accessed by pressing F7.  It can do
what you're asking.

TB also offers a quick search tool.  In the message list, just start
typing the word/name you're looking for and the first match will be
automatically selected.  To move to the next match, just hit
CTRL-Enter.  This tool is limited to only the current folder.

E From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of
E attachments.  How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem
E attachments?

TB can warn against or disable execution of predefined file-types.
Check out:
 Options - Preferences - Warnings

E I used four accounts, one with my cable system, three via yahoo pop3
E download, into OE.  I would like a similar set-up for the BAT.

TB has the nicest multiple account handling of any mail program I've
seen.  Each account is essentially completely separate from every
other account, though you can filter from one account to another
account's folders.


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Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-01 Thread ETM


First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?  I know where the
approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I cannot get the Mail Import
Wizard to accept the location.  Is it because I am not yet working with a
registered program or is it the OE version?

I'd like to see if this works before I register.

Elaine

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Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS


 Hello ETM,

 On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 15:32 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking
 ETM [E] wrote:

 E I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the
 E BAT?

 There should be no problem doing that.  Check out Tools - Import
 Wizard.

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Asian support (was: Re[2]: more new user questions)

2000-09-22 Thread Dierk Haasis


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Hello Thomas!

Friday, September 22, 2000, 7:36:58 AM, you wrote:

DH OK, never of use to me, so I consider it personally minor. But
DH you are right, don't exclude Asians.

 My dear European friend, two thirds of the world's population is not
 a "minor" issue in any international context whatsoever. European
 languages (except maybe English and Spanish) are "minor", for that matter.

That was exactly what I meant, Thomas. Since I haven't even a remote
clue of any Asian language (well, that's an exaggeration, doesn't
matter), I *personally* never missed support for Asian characters.

BTW, you know that socio-linguistically speaking your "except maybe
..." is also a slight misnomer? Especially english is as a second
language very successful. And it is a universally accepted "standard"
even used by many Asians. There is at least one good reason for this
which I won't explain in detail since everybody can look it up in a
textbook of linguistics (search for books by David Crystal): It is
much more versatile with much less symbols than for instance Chinese.

And no, I don't succumb to avoiding valid arguments or even the truth
just to be PC.

So now, it would be good if *all* programmes supported all characters
of the world - just think of UNICODE.



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Re: Asian support (was: Re[2]: more new user questions)

2000-09-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez


Hallo Dierk,

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:42:20 +0200 GMT (23/09/2000, 03:42 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH BTW, you know that socio-linguistically speaking your "except maybe
DH ..." is also a slight misnomer?

I know. ;-)

DH Especially english is as a second language very successful.

That's true, and we are going into history and why this is so, right?

DH And it is a universally accepted "standard" even used by many
DH Asians.

This is only half true. Chinese (Mandarin) is as important over here
as English is in Europe. English *is* used extensively too, though.

DH There is at least one good reason for this which I won't explain
DH in detail since everybody can look it up in a textbook of
DH linguistics (search for books by David Crystal):

I will look that up. Speaking a number of languages, linguistics is a
hobby of mine. Whenever I kind find the time again.

DH It is much more versatile with much less symbols than for instance
DH Chinese.

Yes and no. The European  (Latin) lettering system is fine for
European lagnauges. There is a good reason that many Asian langauges
don't use it.

DH So now, it would be good if *all* programmes supported all characters
DH of the world - just think of UNICODE.

I second that. We'll get there eventually, I'm sure. :-)

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Re: Main Window in Bat! (was: Re[3]: more new user questions)

2000-09-22 Thread Ming-Li


On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 10:32:20 AM, A. wrote:

ML Oh, wait a minute, let me try it. Ah-so, I see. Thanks for
ML teaching me this shortcut. How come it's not on the "complete"
ML shortcut list? Maybe it could use a little update.

 CTRLSHIFTE is there in the "View" menu beside the message
 auto-view option.

Ah-ha, got it. Thanks. Still it should be on the shortcut list,
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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-21 Thread Ming-Li


On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 11:24:03 AM, Dierk wrote:

 First of, Fortes Agent 1.8 (which I am using) is so good - with
 really only minor glitches, just say PGP support - that I think it
 does not *need* any development. So that's for absolutes. But
 really I don't need programme development if the programme is
 (virtually) perfect.

As I said, it remain my favorite, and I use it everyday. It does
need further development, and not just minor ones (that of course
depends on how you define "minor"). It doesn't handle DBCS (for
East-Asian languages) well. It doesn't support multi-servers. (Yes,
I can open several instances at once, but it takes too much system
resources, and it makes message management more difficult.) It
doesn't support sub-folders. Etc.

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Re[2]: more new user questions

2000-09-21 Thread Dierk Haasis


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Hello Ming-Li!

Thursday, September 21, 2000, 4:45:30 PM, you wrote:

 As I said, it remain my favorite, and I use it everyday. It does
 need further development, and not just minor ones (that of course
 depends on how you define "minor"). It doesn't handle DBCS (for
 East-Asian languages) well.

OK, never of use to me, so I consider it personally minor. But you are
right, don't exclude Asians.

 It doesn't support multi-servers. (Yes, I can open several instances
 at once, but it takes too much system resources, and it makes
 message management more difficult.)

I consider that minor and you are right it is on all our wish lists.

 It doesn't support sub-folders. Etc.

This is minor and the favourite on my wish list. Together with PGP
support like Eudora.

BTW, I use Agent nearly exclusively as a newsreader. I don't think it
is good for e-mail. And I don't want those multi-purpose tattooing
programmes like some others ;-).



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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez


Hi Dierk,

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:22:59 +0200GMT (22/09/2000, 05:22 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

 As I said, it remain my favorite, and I use it everyday. It does
 need further development, and not just minor ones (that of course
 depends on how you define "minor"). It doesn't handle DBCS (for
 East-Asian languages) well.

DH OK, never of use to me, so I consider it personally minor. But you are
DH right, don't exclude Asians.

My dear European friend, two thirds of the world's population is not
a "minor" issue in any international context whatsoever. European
languages (except maybe English and Spanish) are "minor", for that matter.

Sorry OT, had to get this out of my system.

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Re: more new user questions (OT)

2000-09-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez


Hi Mark,

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:12:56 +0100GMT (20/09/2000, 04:12 +0800GMT),
Mark Aston wrote:

 ROTFL

  and I use slrn, but I sure would not recommend it to an OE convert:-)

S Oh, why not g?

MA A short(!) extract from the tin manual follows; Note the highly
MA misleading use of the word "easy" in the description, I rest my case:-)

You forgot to mention that it runs under unix and not Windows. There
are two corollaries to that:

- You cannot use the mouse.
- It is in black and white.

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Re: Main Window in Bat! (was: Re[3]: more new user questions)

2000-09-20 Thread Ming-Li


On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 4:50:38 PM, Avenarius wrote:

 First of all, the window frames don't stick. No matter how high
 you arrange your message preview window to be, you only need to
 hit CTRL+SHIFT+E twice (as you must, sooner or later), and your
  
 customized arrangement is gone forever.

What's does this do?

Oh, wait a minute, let me try it. Ah-so, I see. Thanks for teaching
me this shortcut. How come it's not on the "complete" shortcut list?
Maybe it could use a little update.

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Re: Main Window in Bat! (was: Re[3]: more new user questions)

2000-09-20 Thread A . Curtis Martin


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On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:44:46 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

ML What's does this do?

ML Oh, wait a minute, let me try it. Ah-so, I see. Thanks for teaching
ML me this shortcut. How come it's not on the "complete" shortcut list?
ML Maybe it could use a little update.

CTRLSHIFTE is there in the "View" menu beside the message
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Re[2]: more new user questions

2000-09-20 Thread Dierk Haasis


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Hello Ming-Li!

Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 6:41:16 PM, you wrote:

 On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 11:55:09 AM, Susanne wrote:

 I'll try out the newsreaders mentioned and see which one I like.

 Good luck. My favorite newsreader so far remains Forte Agent, which,
 unfortunately, has ceased development. For that reason I'm not
 recommending it to anyone any more.

First of, Fortes Agent 1.8 (which I am using) is so good - with really
only minor glitches, just say PGP support - that I think it does not
*need* any development. So that's for absolutes. But really I don't
need programme development if the programme is (virtually) perfect.

AFAIR the current version of Agent does not incorporate any big bugs.
And I haven't even heard of validated minor ones.

And secondly, Ming, is it verified that Agent will not be developed
any more? This is a great debate every so often on the Agent mailing
list and in the news groups. And the developer or someone close to him
will always chime in telling us there will be a v2 (timing like TB!).

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Re[3]: more new user questions

2000-09-20 Thread Pasquale J. Festa Sr.


Hello Dierk,

September 20, 2000, 2:24:03 PM, you wrote:
 SNIP
 Good luck. My favorite newsreader so far remains Forte Agent, which,
 unfortunately, has ceased development. For that reason I'm not
 recommending it to anyone any more.

DH First of, Fortes Agent 1.8 (which I am using) is so good - with really
DH only minor glitches, just say PGP support - that I think it does not
DH *need* any development. So that's for absolutes. But really I don't
DH need programme development if the programme is (virtually) perfect.

I will be maybe the one billionth person to second Forte Agent as the
best news reader, (if you don't plan on using it for e-mail than get
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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Thomas Fernandez


Hi Susanne,

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:11:03 -0700GMT (19/09/2000, 15:11 +0800GMT),
Susanne wrote:

S Can you change the way the date received/created
S looks. I'd like something shorter like 9/18/00 and then
S the time, instead of the much longer 18 Sep 2000,...
S that seems to be the default.

I think this depends on your Windows' settings.

S Also, I assume you can't read newsgroups with the Bat.

No, it is an email client.

S Any recommendations what to use instead?

Yes: I use tin. g

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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Karin Spaink


On 19-09-2000 at 09:39, Thomas Fernandez kindly wrote:
 Susanne wrote:

S Can you change the way the date received/created
S looks. I'd like something shorter like 9/18/00 and then
S the time, instead of the much longer 18 Sep 2000,...
S that seems to be the default.

 I think this depends on your Windows' settings.

In your "reply-to" template you can choose short date and
time notations by using %ODateShort and %OTime. In Folder
view, I do think it is indeed dependent upon your Win
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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Thomas Fernandez


Hallo Karin,

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:53:56 +0200 GMT (19/09/2000, 18:53 +0800 GMT),
Karin Spaink wrote:

S Can you change the way the date received/created
S looks. I'd like something shorter like 9/18/00 and then
S the time, instead of the much longer 18 Sep 2000,...
S that seems to be the default.

 I think this depends on your Windows' settings.

KS In your "reply-to" template you can choose short date and
KS time notations by using %ODateShort and %OTime. In Folder
KS view, I do think it is indeed dependent upon your Win
KS settings.

I think she meant the headers, and how they are shown in the message
list title bars, for example for incoming mail. I may be mistaken,
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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom


Hello Susanne,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 9:11:03 AM, you wrote:



S Also, I assume you can't read newsgroups with the Bat.
S Any recommendations what to use instead?

Have   a   look   at   Microplanet   Gravity  which  is  available  at
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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Graham


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Hello Susanne,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 9:11:03 AM, you wrote:



S Also, I assume you can't read newsgroups with the Bat.
S Any recommendations what to use instead?

Have   a   look   at   Microplanet   Gravity  which  is  available
at http://www.microplanet.com.



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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Tony Boom


This message: 19/09/2000 14:27 GMT.

Hello Krister,


  A reminder of what Krister ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  19 September 2000 at 13:04:44 GMT +0200

KE Have   a   look   at   Microplanet   Gravity  which  is  available  at
KE http://www.microplanet.com.


  I'll agree with that. Gravity is to newsreaders what The Bat is to E-mail.

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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Ming-Li


On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 12:39:45 AM, Thomas wrote:

 Hi Susanne,

S Can you change the way the date received/created looks. I'd like
S something shorter like 9/18/00 and then the time, instead of the
S much longer 18 Sep 2000,... that seems to be the default.

 I think this depends on your Windows' settings.

No, unfortunately, it's hard-coded. I asked the same question when I
started trying out TB. My Windows was (and is) set to use American
style date display, but TB has insisted on using the same format all
along. The only thing that may change when you change the Windows'
regional (national) settings is the languages used to display the
"month" part--like, 18 ¤E¤ë 2000 (where ¤E¤ë is Sep. in Chinese
big-5).

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Re[2]: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Susanne


Hello Ming-Li,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 8:03:05, you wrote:

 On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 12:39:45 AM, Thomas wrote:


 No, unfortunately, it's hard-coded. I asked the same question
 when I started trying out TB. My Windows was (and is) set to
 use American style date display, but TB has insisted on using
 the same format all along.

Thanks for all the answers. I guess there is no way to change how
the date displays at this point.

I'll try out the newsreaders mentioned and see which one I like.

How about rearranging the buttons on the toolbar? Is that
possible?

And is there a way to make the text wrap so it shows up in an
easily readable way in the preview window (I have it set to see
the full height account tree and the text shows up with one or
two words in a short line between longer ones). I hope people
understand what I'm trying to say here. I'm german and some-
times my english comes out a bit clumsy :}

Thanks all!

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Re: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Mark Aston


Hi Thomas,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 8:39:45 AM, you wrote:

S Also, I assume you can't read newsgroups with the Bat.

TF No, it is an email client.

S Any recommendations what to use instead?

TF Yes: I use tin. g

ROTFL

 and I use slrn, but I sure would not recommend it to an OE convert:-)

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Re[2]: more new user questions

2000-09-19 Thread Susanne


Hello Mark,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 11:53:13, you wrote:

 ROTFL

  and I use slrn, but I sure would not recommend it to an OE convert:-)

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Re: more new user questions (OT)

2000-09-19 Thread Mark Aston


Hi Susanne,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 8:08:29 PM, you wrote:

 ROTFL

  and I use slrn, but I sure would not recommend it to an OE convert:-)

S Oh, why not g?

A short(!) extract from the tin manual follows; Note the highly
misleading use of the word "easy" in the description, I rest my case:-)


tin, rtin, tind - A Usenet newsreader



SYNOPSIS
   tin  [[-h|-H|-V] |  [[[-a] [-dlnq|-Q] [-ArzX]] [[-R|-S] -s
   News-dir]   [-cuvUZ]   [-N|-M   address]   [-o|-w]][-D
   debug-level]   [-G  article-limit]  [-f  newsrc-file]  [-g
   server] [-m Mail-dir]  [-p  port]  [-I
   index-dir] [newsgroup[,...]]]

   rtin  [[-h|-H|-V] | [[[-a] [-dlnq|-Q] [-AzX]] [-cvZ] [[-S]
   -s News-dir] [-N|-M address] [-o|-w]] [-D debug-level] [-G
   article-limit]  [-f newsrc-file] [-g server] [-m Mail-dir]
   [-p port] [newsgroup[,...]]]

   tind  [[-h|-H|-V] |  [-d|-P|-v]   [-D   debug-level]   [-G
   article-limit] [-f newsrc-file] [-I index-dir]]

DESCRIPTION
   tin is a full-screen easy to use Usenet newsreader. It can
   read news  locally  (i.e.,  /var/spool/news)  or  remotely
   (rtin or tin -r option) via a NNTP (Network News Transport
   Protocol) server. It will automatically utilize NOV  (News
   OVerview)  style  index  files if available locally or via
   the NNTP XOVER command.

   tin has four separate levels of operation: Group selection
   level,  Group  level,  Thread level and Article level. Use
   the `h' (help) command to view  a  list  of  the  commands
   available at a particular level.

   On startup tin will show a list of the newsgroups found in
   $HOME/.newsrc. An arrow '-' or highlighted bar will point
   to  the first newsgroup. Move to a group by using the ter
   minal arrow keys (terminal dependent) or `j' and `k'.  Use
   PgUp/PgDn  (terminal  dependent)  or  Ctrl-U and Ctrl-D to
   page up/down. Enter a newsgroup by pressing RETURN.

   The TAB key enters the next newsgroup with unread  arti
   cles.


   Many more pages of obscure options follow this


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Main Window in Bat! (was: Re[3]: more new user questions)

2000-09-19 Thread Avenarius


Susanne, your English is perfect as far as I can say.

I have the same main window arrangement as you have (full height
account tree) and I'd say that the complaint that you have is one the
least aggravating aspects of The Bat's main window.

First of all, the window frames don't stick. No matter how high you
arrange your message preview window to be, you only need to hit
CTRL+SHIFT+E twice (as you must, sooner or later), and your customized
arrangement is gone forever.

The width of the account tree view does not stick either. Nor can you
temporarily *hide* the account tree view: in the Opera browser mailer
(!), this can be accomplished by a simple push of the F4 key (toggle).

And then, in case you'd like to see a different main window
arrangement in The Bat!, you need to hit the following keys:


ALT
V
O
O again [!; a glaring programmers' blunder (but it can be fixed in
60 seconds by Ritlabs)]
ENTER
[and finally, another letter to select the desired arrangement]


Ladies and gentlemen, SIX keys, you need to hit six keys in order to
change your window arrangement. And all of this could be accomplished
by a sensible keyboard shortcut of two keys at the most.

Is this the program that aspires to be the world's Nr. 1 mail client?

Not to mention the worst: after you return to your previous, to your
(would-be) default window arrangement (full height account tree) --
then all the frames positions are gone once more, because the window
frames did not stick and so you need to arrange them all over again.

This, for me, means that I cannot touch The Bat's main window at all.
It is totally immobile and inconfigurable because no matter what you
do, it always returns to the default setting pre-determined by
Ritlabs.


Let us patiently wait and hope.


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A Bat-fellow, Susanne,
wrote on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 20:55:09 CET --


S And is there a way to make the text wrap so it shows up in an
S easily readable way in the preview window (I have it set to see
S the full height account tree and the text shows up with one or
S two words in a short line between longer ones). I hope people
S understand what I'm trying to say here. I'm german and some-
S times my english comes out a bit clumsy :}

S Thanks all!

S Susanne
S (a little overwhelmed by the traffic on this ml g)

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Re: Main Window in Bat! (was: Re[3]: more new user questions)

2000-09-19 Thread Januk Aggarwal


Hello Avenarius,


On  Tuesday, September 19, 2000  at  01:50:38 GMT +0200 (which was 4:50 PM
where I live) witnesses say Avenarius typed:


 First of all, the window frames don't stick. No matter how high you
 arrange your message preview window to be, you only need to hit
 CTRL+SHIFT+E twice (as you must, sooner or later), and your customized
 arrangement is gone forever.

Until today, I had never used the Ctrl-Shift-E shortcut.  But you are
right, the position is not sticky.  However, I don't know many
programs that remember settings to old arrangements after they've been
changed.  However, I don't see your point about *needing* to toggle
this pane.  If you're using the preview pane, then why do you want a
full message list?  I'm not criticising.  With such a strong
statement, I want to understand the logic before going into attack
mode (as Ming-Li pointed out).  :-)

 The width of the account tree view does not stick either.

This one is sticky on my system.

  in the Opera browser mailer
 (!), this can be accomplished by a simple push of the F4 key (toggle).

Remember, this is not the Opera browser mailer.  Other mailers may
have features that are not supported by TB.  Likewise, many other
mailers don't have features that TB supports.  Does this mean one is
inferior to the other?  No, it reflects the priorities and the
decisions that the programmers have to make.  It also means that we
end users have a large variety of choices of mailers that can suit our
needs.  Switching from one program to another is usually difficult
simply because we grow accustomed to one style.  What you must keep in
mind as you evaluate TB is, are there enough good points for you to
stick around?

As users, we must choose what is most important to us and find
the program that best suits our styles.  No one program is likely to
have *everything* that a given individual wants.  In the end, the
program will reflect the personality and the needs of the
developer(s).

 Ladies and gentlemen, SIX keys, you need to hit six keys in order to
 change your window arrangement. And all of this could be accomplished
 by a sensible keyboard shortcut of two keys at the most.

TB is not known for the lack of keystrokes if you want to use the
keyboard shortcuts.

 Not to mention the worst: after you return to your previous, to your
 (would-be) default window arrangement (full height account tree) --
 then all the frames positions are gone once more, because the window
 frames did not stick and so you need to arrange them all over again.

Have you sent in an official bug report?  You can post it to the
TBBETA mailing list.



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Re: New User Questions

2000-01-12 Thread Andrew K. Lovetski


Hello, The Bat Users!

 
LW   One final question - again the answer is quite simple (I hope).
LW   I need to see my messages collapsed, in subject order, and
LW   within the subject all the replies in the time which they were
LW   sent in chronological order.

LW   At present the first two criteria are met, but  the messages are not
LW sorted in the required order, although I   believe I have selected the
LW correct options (Sort by Subject / descending order, also view threads
LW by subject).  By the way, anybody else notice that the selection
LW "Descending Order" needs selecting every time, and does not remain
LW "sticky"?

Options|View threads by|Subject (or references - I prefer the latter).
This will arrange messages in threads. Then you have to select only
one sorting you need (in your message you stated you need both - by
subject and by time - this is impossible in the current version, but
such a wish was suggested a long time ago). I use Sorting by Creation
Time, Descending. BTW, descending _is_ sticky here. Try changing the
order by clicking on the column header. One click - you get ascending
order, another click - you get descending order.

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Re: New User Questions

2000-01-10 Thread Douglas Hinds



Hello Lone-Wolf  all fellow TBUDL members,

Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:59:35 AM, Lone-Wolf wrote:
LW One final question - ... I need to see my messages collapsed, in
LW subject order, and within the subject all the replies in the time
LW which they were sent in chronological order.

Have you tried the "View threads by" options available through the
"View" menu? By selecting "Subject" you get them collapsed.

As for the manual you asked for: Its name is TBUDL, and it talks back
to you.

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Re: New User Questions

2000-01-10 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev


Hi there!

On 10 Jan 00, at 20:59, Lone-Wolf wrote
about "New User Questions":

   My question now is - is there a publication we can buy / obtain /
   download (similar to the "Agent" manual, for example), which is well
   written, and which will explain things in a clear way for computer
   challenged people such as myself?

I've suggested this to RITs way ago, and even suggested to make the quality 
PDF myself if they provide the materials (you see, i from time to time typeset 
books for some publishing companies here;-)), but seems that they didn't like 
this idea.

   I am sure that this would be of assistance to a great many people,
   as the Bat is chock full of features.

This is my own point also: quality PDF is usually way better then the help file; 
besides, it might be printed as a book...


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Re[2]: New User Questions

2000-01-10 Thread tracer


Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:18:13 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:18:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

Alexander Hi there!

Alexander On 10 Jan 00, at 20:59, Lone-Wolf wrote
Alexander about "New User Questions":

   I am sure that this would be of assistance to a great many people,
   as the Bat is chock full of features.

Alexander This is my own point also: quality PDF is usually way better then the help 
file; 
Alexander besides, it might be printed as a book...

Nothing prevents anyone to print the help file to PDF or run a
conversion...
Asuming its kind of complete.



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