Re[2]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hallo Alexander, On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 6:34:34 AM, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: The latter. Esperanto has 28 letters and 28 base sounds. 1 sound per letter, obviously. It also has several other sounds which are made when a small selection of letters are combined, but nothing as prolific as in English. In AVK AFAIK, I've once heard a discussion 'bout "Esperanto and AVK Russian", and I believe it was said that some modifications to AVK Esperanto are needed to match Russian pronunciation. AVK Russian is in fact much "write as you hear it" language (well, AVK actually Byellorussian language *is* exactly, but in Russian AVK there exist heaps of local dialects, so... but the overall idea is AVK that, as I get it). So well, 33 symbols, 31 "basic" sounds, plus 2 AVK symbols to achieve "special effects" like to make this particular AVK consonant softer or harder. Can't get how you fit it all into 28 AVK characters (even with modifiers). I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it looks awful now! And really, even though they use 28 latin letters, they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the little tick-mark? No, every language has the alphabet/character set most suitable for it. And why not? AVK Damn it, I still cannot force myself to pronounce AVK "pronunciation" correctly.. g -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hallo tracer, On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:15:12 AM, tracer wrote: Alexander Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first Alexander "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's Alexander common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as Alexander two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced Alexander exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So Alexander either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't Alexander got the proper pronunciation:-)) t Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it... t I donot speak it but its an extreemly flexible way to make any sound t even if you still cannot read the result (g) and I remember for my t workpermit I needed about 10 minutes before my Dutch name was properly t translated so it sounded the same... Arabic is 100% phonetic, we used to write dictations and hand't ever heard the words before... 26 letters, plus three "short vowels" (often not written except in classic texts), plus one stop-voice-marker (hamza). Problem is, they have only three vowels: a, i, o (pronounce these the German way), no P (except in the Urdu version) and so on. Every script has drawbacks when you want to use it for another language. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
TF I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world TF should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it TF looks awful now! Eh guy, what the h... you know about Vietnamese What did you mean "awful" with our current character set? TF And really, even though they use 28 latin letters, TF they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still TF don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the TF little tick-mark? Yeah, I agree with you that it's so ridiculous that someone wants to pronounce correctly a language by seeing character set only! You have to learn it to do so. TF No, every language has the alphabet/character set TF most suitable for it. And why not? That's clear... Waiting your feedbacks... NamNH. ...If Jesus was Jewish, what's he doing with a Mexican name? Name: NguyÔn Hoµi Nam Phone : (84) (8) 805-0884 / 822-5632 / 9067 2942 (NEW) Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi there!
On 17 Oct 99, at 19:35, Thomas Fernandez wrote
about "Re[2]: OT: Laguanges and names, rea":
I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world
should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it
looks awful now! And really, even though they use 28 latin letters,
they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still
don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the
little tick-mark? No, every language has the alphabet/character set
most suitable for it. And why not?
I don't know, why not... But now and then you just fall into all
kinds of problems with non-Latin alphabet... Just remember
how it works with Russian:
for years we had a codetable for Russian ("alternative"), then
IBM comes and changes this a bit and calls it "CP866", then
somebody else comes and modifies it a bit and calls "ISO-8859-
5", then Apple comes and makes a completely new "Russian
Mac" codetable, then there is a "Unix Russian" KOI8-R --- and
M$ comes and invents CP1251 and releases Windows and
makes CP866 Windows OEM (DOS console) codetable and
CP1251 Windows ANSI (GUI applications) codetable.. And
now many people cannot understand each other
And M$ strikes again and releases Word'97, which *cannot*
read Russian documents saved with Word 6 and *sometimes*
cannot read Russian documents saved with Word'95
And now we all see clearly that "the light at the end of tunnel" is
very probably the head light of the upcoming train:-)))
SY, Alex
(St.Petersburg, Russia)
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Re: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Sunday, October 17, 1999, 4:35:20 AM, Thomas wrote: I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world should be squeezed into the English alphabet. I don't think it should. Although I'll take how many Esperantists write Esperanto. As I said, it has 28 characters. It doesn't use all of the English letters at all. For the letters that the "standard" font doesn't create, they put an x at the end since Esperanto doesn't use x. a b c cx d e f g gx h hx i j jx k l m n o p r s sx t u ux v z -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi Steve, on Monday, October 18, 1999, 11:22:40 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world should be squeezed into the English alphabet. SL I don't think it should. Although I'll take how many Esperantists write SL Esperanto. As I said, it has 28 characters. It doesn't use all of the SL English letters at all. For the letters that the "standard" font doesn't SL create, they put an x at the end since Esperanto doesn't use x. SL a b c cx d e f g gx h hx i j jx k l m n o p r s sx t u ux v z I would consider this the Epseranto alphabet then, which is suitable for Esperanto; proving my point. ;-) -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi NGUYEN, on Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:16:41 PM, NGUYEN Hoai Nam wrote: TF I really don't know why everybody thinks all langauges of the world TF should be squeezed into the English alphabet. Look at Vietnamese: it TF looks awful now! NHN Eh guy, what the h... you know about Vietnamese NHN What did you mean "awful" with our current character set? Not too much except that the character set seems to be Latin on first sight, and then it turns out that there are so many "extras" added. Vietnamese, as a tonal language, cannot just be displayed with the 26-character set. - I understand you were using Chinese charactgers until earlier this century. I was making my point by using Vietnamese as an example what happens if you want to use the English (or French in that case) alphabet for a language from a compeltely different background. And I did not mean any offence. - Forgive me the wording. TF And really, even though they use 28 latin letters, TF they still have to mke "special effects" and at the end, you still TF don't know how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce this "o" with the TF little tick-mark? NHN Yeah, I agree with you that it's so ridiculous that someone wants to NHN pronounce correctly a language by seeing character set only! NHN You have to learn it to do so. So, how many characters do you actually use? TF No, every language has the alphabet/character set TF most suitable for it. And why not? NHN That's clear... NHN Waiting your feedbacks... And I'm glad that TB is getting more widely recognized here in Asia. :-) -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Monday, October 18, 1999 Hello Thomas, Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hallo tracer, Thomas On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 10:15:12 AM, tracer wrote: Alexander Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first Alexander "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's Alexander common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as Alexander two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced Alexander exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So Alexander either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't Alexander got the proper pronunciation:-)) t Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it... t I donot speak it but its an extreemly flexible way to make any sound t even if you still cannot read the result (g) and I remember for my t workpermit I needed about 10 minutes before my Dutch name was properly t translated so it sounded the same... Thomas Arabic is 100% phonetic, we used to write dictations and hand't ever Thomas heard the words before... 26 letters, plus three "short vowels" (often Thomas not written except in classic texts), plus one stop-voice-marker Thomas (hamza). Problem is, they have only three vowels: a, i, o (pronounce Thomas these the German way), no P (except in the Urdu version) and so on. Thomas Every script has drawbacks when you want to use it for another Thomas language. ;-) I know but here in Thailand it must be about the only place where they try to make a language which is quite irregular when it comes to the way things are written/pronounced, regular... problem is for instance Than, Tani, Tanee and whatever being used for the same thing. Or Thanon, tanon whatever for street. The good thing is that Thai postal office employees are masters in recognising screwed up addresses... Anyway, drop me pls that suitable Thai font you said you had. Its a non proportional TT font correct?? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Monday, October 18, 1999 Hello Alexander, Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote: Alexander Hi there! Alexander On 17 Oct 99, at 9:15, tracer wrote Alexander about "Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not": Alexander (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev Alexander (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew Now I see the tonguebreaker... Wouldnt it be easier if you could remove one part in the middle name... Alexander How could I? My middle name (and the middle name of every Alexander Russian) is in fact the name of my father... That is, my father's Alexander first name is Vyatcheslaw (in Volapyuk: Va`c`eslav). So well, let Alexander it stay "V.":-)) BTW, note that in Russia the middle name of a Alexander person is much more important then in English-speaking Alexander countries (at least when you wish to be polite:-)) I know, just joking there but it sure is a nice way to get a tongue in a twist... Not due to the name, but the fact that it gets that extension: note I said one part in the middle name, not remove the name... but agreed, you are stuck with it... Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it... Alexander I can spell anything I like in Russian as well. Well, almost Alexander anything:-)) The English sound spelled as "th" (the, thee) Alexander cannot. But after all, I cannot reliably pronounce this one, too:- Alexander )) Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not work
On 16 October 1999 at 01:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: t I answer this mesg and Alexander's full name as he types it stays t blue in my msg, like I just typed it myself. It seems to happen with t long names especially. TB looks for the chevron '' in the first 20 characters when deciding to colour a reply line or not. Alex's full name is longer than that. t How to prevent it Don't use the "Full name" option in Preferences - Templates - Reply - Sender information used for quotation. It's actually pretty poor netiquette bandwidth-wise. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Saturday, October 16, 1999 Hello Marck, Saturday, Saturday, October 16, 1999, you wrote: Marck On 16 October 1999 at 01:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: t I answer this mesg and Alexander's full name as he types it stays t blue in my msg, like I just typed it myself. It seems to happen with t long names especially. Marck TB looks for the chevron '' in the first 20 characters when deciding to Marck colour a reply line or not. Alex's full name is longer than that. t How to prevent it Marck Don't use the "Full name" option in Preferences - Templates - Reply - Marck Sender information used for quotation. It's actually pretty poor Marck netiquette bandwidth-wise. Marck Cheers, Marck Marck ok, changed. Thanks! bandwidth wise, well as long as they download movies from newsgroups a few bytes on a name isnt that much (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: PGP Check Signature does not work
On 16 October 1999 at 11:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: Marck Don't use the "Full name" option in Preferences - Templates - Marck Reply - Sender information used for quotation. It's actually Marck pretty poor netiquette bandwidth-wise. t ok, changed. Thanks! Much better :-) t bandwidth wise, well as long as they download movies from newsgroups t a few bytes on a name isnt that much (g) Very true. ;-) However, the issue in e-mail is the amount of extra text that has to be absorbed before the actual point of the message content can be read. That's also the main point of not over-quoting. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello Claudius Peter Steiner, you wrote previously about the "check signature" feature: "Yes, i had the same problem, but only until i changed to PGP 6.5" Does "*automatically verify*" work with your v6.5? Here only the manual menu command "verify signature" works, not *auto verify*; I didn't quite get which one was meant in the discussion earlier in the thread. I never tried automatically verify. What i meant was the verification of signed encrypted messages during decryption. Does automatically decrypt work with you? Regards, Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "U dene n ischs i d Chnöde glöötet wie bschüttigs Chrüzimääl düre Chätschabertrog." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi there! On 16 Oct 99, at 2:14, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: PGP Check Signature does not wo": English isnt the most suitable language to use to pronounce/spell foreign language pronounciation That's why here we are using "Transliteration" whenever we're sending something in Russian to a receipient who has no Russian fonts available:-) This is a one-to-one translation of Russian letters to the (sequences) of Latin characters. My own full name will then become: (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew Which is why I went for a more phonetic spelling than an English spelling. ah is clearly a short a whereas ae or aye would be the long. I could also just spell it phonetically in Esperanto if it would fit. Vaceslavovitcx. :P Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't got the proper pronunciation:-)) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Almost anything is easier to get into than out of. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Saturday, October 16, 1999, 10:21:13 AM, Alexander wrote: either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't got the proper pronunciation:-)) The latter. Esperanto has 28 letters and 28 base sounds. 1 sound per letter, obviously. It also has several other sounds which are made when a small selection of letters are combined, but nothing as prolific as in English. In fact, I think the only sounds which require a different sound and have two letters are aj, ej, ij, oj, uj, uxj. Uxj I'm not so sure about. I've only studied it off and on for a few weeks of "real-time" in the past 3-4 months. :/ Anyway, my name (StEEv) doesn't translate into Esperanto and look the same. Stiv/o (Steev/Stee-vo). So I decided to use Stefan/o (Steh-fahn/Steh-fah-no) which I think looks closer, flows better in that language and, gosh darn it, sounds nice. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Laguanges and names, really, honest! (WAS: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi there! On 16 Oct 99, at 12:14, Steve Lamb wrote about "OT: Laguanges and names, really, ho": The latter. Esperanto has 28 letters and 28 base sounds. 1 sound per letter, obviously. It also has several other sounds which are made when a small selection of letters are combined, but nothing as prolific as in English. In fact, I think the only sounds which require a different sound and have two letters are aj, ej, ij, oj, uj, uxj. Uxj I'm not so sure about. I've only studied it off and on for a few weeks of "real-time" in the past 3-4 months. :/ AFAIK, I've once heard a discussion 'bout "Esperanto and Russian", and I believe it was said that some modifications to Esperanto are needed to match Russian pronunciation. Russian is in fact much "write as you hear it" language (well, actually Byellorussian language *is* exactly, but in Russian there exist heaps of local dialects, so... but the overall idea is that, as I get it). So well, 33 symbols, 31 "basic" sounds, plus 2 symbols to achieve "special effects" like to make this particular consonant softer or harder. Can't get how you fit it all into 28 characters (even with modifiers). Especially taking into account, for example, the letter "a", which in English is pronounced you know how, and in American English even more then that -- but in Russian *that* pronunciation is denoted by another letter, whilst "a" is always pronounced as "ar". Anyway, my name (StEEv) doesn't translate into Esperanto and look the same. Stiv/o (Steev/Stee-vo). So I decided to use Stefan/o (Steh-fahn/Steh-fah-no) which I think looks closer, flows better in that language and, gosh darn it, sounds nice. :) Well, *for me* StEEv and Stiv (with "i" pronounced as in Sting) are absolutely the same, or else my tongue will refuse to work:- )) Damn it, I still cannot force myself to pronounce "pronunciation" correctly.. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: To err is Human. To blame someone else is politics. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Sunday, October 17, 1999 Hello Alexander, Sunday, Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote: Alexander Hi there! Alexander On 16 Oct 99, at 2:14, Steve Lamb wrote Alexander about "Re: PGP Check Signature does not wo": English isnt the most suitable language to use to pronounce/spell foreign language pronounciation Alexander That's why here we are using "Transliteration" whenever we're Alexander sending something in Russian to a receipient who has no Alexander Russian fonts available:-) This is a one-to-one translation of Alexander Russian letters to the (sequences) of Latin characters. My own Alexander full name will then become: Alexander (in Volapyuk): Aleksandr Va`c`eslavovic` Kiselev Alexander (in proper Translit): Aleksandr Wq^eslawowi^ Kiselew Now I see the tonguebreaker... Wouldnt it be easier if you could remove one part in the middle name... Which is why I went for a more phonetic spelling than an English spelling. ah is clearly a short a whereas ae or aye would be the long. I could also just spell it phonetically in Esperanto if it would fit. Vaceslavovitcx. :P Alexander Don't know Esperanto, but think you're wrong here:-) the first Alexander "a" above should sound similar to German "Ja" (that is, as it's Alexander common in many Latin-based languages, should be written as Alexander two-dotted "a"). What for the second "a" above, it's pronounced Alexander exactly as the English letter "R" is called, that is, "AR":-) So Alexander either Esperanto is not so fonetic you think it is or you haven't Alexander got the proper pronunciation:-)) Try Arabic, you can spell almost any sound in it... I donot speak it but its an extreemly flexible way to make any sound even if you still cannot read the result (g) and I remember for my workpermit I needed about 10 minutes before my Dutch name was properly translated so it sounded the same... Alexander SY, Alex Alexander (St.Petersburg, Russia) Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi TBUsers, The version number is hardcoded into the plugin (batpgp65.dll). Ah...So it's just a typo? CG No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the CG international version of PGP... Mmmh. So since I removed any batpgp*.dll besides batpgp65.ll (I'm using PGP6.5.1) why does it display 6.0.2i in my message - if it is hardcoded in the dll, it should display the "assumed version" in the dll and not some reg junk from previous installations (see msgs earlier)? -- With best regards, Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi! Claudius Regn [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "PGP Check Signature does not work": CG No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the CG international version of PGP... Mmmh. So since I removed any batpgp*.dll besides batpgp65.ll (I'm using PGP6.5.1) why does it display 6.0.2i in my message - if it is hardcoded in the dll, it should display the "assumed version" in the dll and not some reg junk from previous installations (see msgs earlier)? Look into the registry at the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Network Associates\PGP I've found "Version"="freeware, version 6.5.1" here - and there isn't any other reference to a PGP version in "my" registry. When I encrypt/sign a message using PGP directly: "Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com" Also, if I change the registry string above, this identifier isn't changed at all... When I encrypt/sign a message using the plugin: "Version: PGP 6.5i" Obviously, TB uses its own identifier, and PGP *doesn't* use a string from the registry. Ever tried to uninstall and reinstall PGP completely? -- Christian GassmannPGP keys: RSA 0x6975E6D3 - DH/DSS 0x83BD18C5 Internet Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN: 12893571 Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, October 15, 1999, 2:04:21 AM, Christian wrote: Hi! Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "PGP Check Signature does not work": The version number is hardcoded into the plugin (batpgp65.dll). Ah...So it's just a typo? No. They obviously assumed that most people are using the international version of PGP... Well, I guess that might actually be a reasonable assumption, considering the origin and major market for TB. I'm curious...Does anyone happen to know the demographics of the TB population? Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: PGP Check Signature does not work
At Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:15:12 PM, \\'alter has typed a mail: \\' Russia or Poland? Whatever made you think it was Poland -- Po co mi musk jak mam dres? |\ /| /\ \~~~/ \~~~/ \~~~/ WWW: http://maxxx.ii.com.pl | \/ | / \ E-M: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || /\ /___\ /___\ /___\ ICQ: 3146019 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Origination of TB (was: Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work)
Hi there! On 15 Oct 99, at 12:44, Morgan Collins wrote about "Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work": I'm curious...Does anyone happen to know the demographics of the TB population? I'm a USA user, I just found TB and find it an excellent e-mail client. I assumed it was developed outside the US, but I've been unable to locate where it was produced. www.ritlabs.com What is the origin of TB then? Moldova. This is one of the ex-USSR countries, between Ukraine and Romania. Now you should be able to locate it on your geographical map:-)) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugliness goes right to the core. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello MaXxX, Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:20:08 PM, you wrote: M At Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:15:12 PM, \\'alter has typed a mail: \\' Russia or Poland? M Whatever made you think it was Poland The last names of the developers and the many responces coming from Poland. -- Best regards, \\'altermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi there! On 15 Oct 99, at 21:15, \\'alter wrote about "Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not": MC What is the origin of TB then? What made you think it was Russia? SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[6]: PGP Check Signature does not work
At Friday, October 15, 1999, 9:32:15 PM, \\'alter has typed the gibberish below: \\' Russia or Poland? M Whatever made you think it was Poland a The last names of the developers and the many responces coming from a Poland. Wrong. I'm from Poland myself, and let me teach you one thing about Russian and Polish last names: 1. Polish names NEVER have a "v" (vee) in them. 2. Russian names are easy to read for you! If you read a Russian name, let's say, Sheishenko, it sounds fine. Try to read a Polish name! Krzysztof Szczyglowski, or Mariusz Mistrzewicz for example! That's because the Russian people use an alphabet completely different from the 26-letter ASCII and to write their names in ASCII they have to convert them to the proper English-style phonetics. Poland uses ASCII, only extended with 9 special letters. That's why Polish names are written as they are in Poland, which makes them easy to read by Poles and a horror to read for foreigners (you see, Polish pronounciation is WAY different from English). 3. Polish names NEVER end with "-kov". That's a Russian (or post-russian, anyway) feature ONLY. Sure, sure, there ARE exceptions, but that's a general rule. Most Polish names end with "-ski" or "-cki". Hope that clears things up a little :P -- Zankoku na tenshi no Yoni, shonen yo Shinma ni nare..! :P~ |\ /| /\ \~~~/ \~~~/ \~~~/ WWW: http://maxxx.ii.com.pl | \/ | / \ E-M: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || /\ /___\ /___\ /___\ ICQ: 3146019 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Friday, October 15, 1999, 12:48:24 PM, MaXxX wrote: 1. Polish names NEVER have a "v" (vee) in them. 2. Russian names are easy to read for you! If you read a Russian name, [snippage] 3. Polish names NEVER end with "-kov". That's a Russian (or [snippage] Hope that clears things up a little :P So, what you're saying is that the creator of Babylon 5, J. Michael Straczynski, is most likely of some Polish decent... right? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi there! On 15 Oct 99, at 21:48, MaXxX wrote about "Re[6]: PGP Check Signature does not": Wrong. I'm from Poland myself, and let me teach you one thing about Russian and Polish last names: Pretty interesting an explanation:-))) Only. 1. Polish names NEVER have a "v" (vee) in them. 2. Russian names are easy to read for you! If you read a Russian name, let's say, Sheishenko, it sounds fine. Try to read a Polish name! this would be most probably Ukrainian:-))) Krzysztof Szczyglowski, or Mariusz Mistrzewicz for example! That's because the Russian people use an alphabet completely different from the 26-letter ASCII and to write their names in ASCII they have to convert them to the proper English-style phonetics. Uhum, my middle name is "Vyatcheslavovitch". Can anybody pronounce?:-))) Poland uses ASCII, only extended with 9 special letters. That's why Polish names are written as they are in Poland, which makes them easy to read by Poles and a horror to read for foreigners (you see, Polish pronounciation is WAY different from English). 3. Polish names NEVER end with "-kov". That's a Russian (or post-russian, anyway) feature ONLY. Sure, sure, there ARE exceptions, but that's a general rule. Most Polish names end with "-ski" or "-cki". SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: A - American Association Against Acronym Abuse --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Friday, October 15, 1999, 2:32:49 PM, Alexander wrote: Uhum, my middle name is "Vyatcheslavovitch". Can anybody pronounce?:-))) Well, if I were to take a stab at it, with a spoon... V-yaht-cheh-slah-voe-vitch That should give you a fair phonetic approximation of how I'd say it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello Steve, Friday, October 15, 1999, 3:30:25 PM, you wrote: SL So, what you're saying is that the creator of Babylon 5, SL J. Michael Straczynski, is most likely of some Polish decent... SL right? :) Actually he's of Byelorussian descent... Best regards, Borismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: PGP Check Signature does not work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Oliver, n i'm using PGP 6.0.2i and the PGP 6.0.x/6.5.x plug-in but "check n digital signature" does not work. all i get is an empty "PGPlog" n window. anyone else with the same problems? [cut] I' using PGP 6.5.1 (US, since pgpi.com announced Version i for October, 1st and nothing happens). Option "PGP-sign" writes: (a) "Version: PGP 6.0.2i" (see below) (b) adds "- " above "With best..." (see below) (c) destroys quoted block (see above) (d) "Hash: SHA1" (see above) Why (a),(b),(c) and what does (d) mean? Auto-check-signature doesn't work here with 6.5.1 (or maybe TB! thinks there's a 6.0.2i installed, which _was_ installed but I made a complete uninstall). - -- With best regards, Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQA/AwUBOAXtFUBdP0XmJHLbEQL0kACeNhwWXTEnCj1ViLtpie4f1qStHz0AnRN4 ptJ8hb55rgh/jMUkSdIqpMxf =MO3l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Thursday, October 14, 1999, 8:56:25 AM, Claudius wrote: (a) "Version: PGP 6.0.2i" (see below) (b) adds "- " above "With best..." (see below) (c) destroys quoted block (see above) (d) "Hash: SHA1" (see above) Why (a),(b),(c) and what does (d) mean? Auto-check-signature doesn't work here with 6.5.1 (or maybe TB! thinks there's a 6.0.2i installed, which _was_ installed but I made a complete uninstall). A: No clue. B: Since PGP uses dashes in its beginning and ending block sequence it escapes all lines beginning with a dash inside the block it is signing with "- ". C: No clue. D: This tells PGP which hashing algorithm was used. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Claudius. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 9:56:25 AM, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I' using PGP 6.5.1 (US, since pgpi.com announced Version i for October, 1st and nothing happens). Option "PGP-sign" writes: (a) "Version: PGP 6.0.2i" (see below) (b) adds "- " above "With best..." (see below) (c) destroys quoted block (see above) (d) "Hash: SHA1" (see above) Why (a),(b),(c) and what does (d) mean? Auto-check-signature doesn't work here with 6.5.1 (or maybe TB! thinks there's a 6.0.2i installed, which _was_ installed but I made a complete uninstall). Fascinating. I'm also using 6.5.1. I just tested it, and mine is identified as 6.5i in the signature! FWIW, I have never had an international version installed on this PC. Is The Bat! just misinterpreting the '1' as an 'i'? 8-) I don't see (c), but (b) and (d) are as you describe (and as expected). - -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOAYY48iTw8jL6L4yEQKGGgCgs3Dv+tojiktXuqglP+nknjl6bvoAn3c/ ovfu7We3+MeiZJkQYCMRiFJD =JAde -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hello, everyone. On Thursday, October 14, 1999, 5:05:02 PM, Christian wrote: Hi! Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "PGP Check Signature does not work": Fascinating. I'm also using 6.5.1. I just tested it, and mine is identified as 6.5i in the signature! FWIW, I have never had an international version installed on this PC. Is The Bat! just misinterpreting the '1' as an 'i'? 8-) The version number is hardcoded into the plugin (batpgp65.dll). Ah...So it's just a typo? Keith mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: PGP Check Signature does not work
Hi Oliver Sturm, On Montag, 11. Oktober 1999 at 19:44:01 you wrote: n i'm using PGP 6.0.2i and the PGP 6.0.x/6.5.x plug-in but "check n digital signature" does not work. all i get is an empty "PGPlog" n window. anyone else with the same problems? OS I have exactly the same problem using PGP 6.0.2i business security. Replying to myself...tsts. I just found out I can't get The Bat! to check a PGP-signed mail automatically. PGP has an option saying something like "decrypt/verify automatically" (I don't know the exact text in english), but it doesn't seem to do anything. Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
PGP Check Signature does not work
hi, i'm using PGP 6.0.2i and the PGP 6.0.x/6.5.x plug-in but "check digital signature" does not work. all i get is an empty "PGPlog" window. anyone else with the same problems? ciao, noniq CONFUSING ECHELON--- FBI CIA NSA IRS ATF BATF DOD WACO RUBY RIDGE OKC OKLAHOMA CITY MILITIA GUN HANDGUN MILGOV ASSAULT RIFLE TERRORISM BOMB DRUG HORIUCHI KORESH DAVIDIAN KAHL POSSE COMITATUS RANDY WEAVER VICKIE WEAVER SPECIAL FORCES LINDA THOMPSON SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP SOG SOF DELTA FORCE CONSTITUTION BILL OF RIGHTS WHITEWATER POM PARK ON METER ARKANSIDE IRAN CONTRAS OLIVER NORTH VINCE FOSTER PROMIS MOSSAD NASA MI5 ONI CID AK47 M16 C4 MALCOLM X REVOLUTION CHEROKEE HILLARY BILL CLINTON GORE GEORGE BUSH WACKENHUT TERRORIST TASK FORCE 160 SPECIAL OPS 12TH GROUP 5TH GROUP SF -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
