Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 27 Dec 2004, 
   @  @  at 11:00:21 +, when MFPA wrote:

> On Sunday 26 December 2004 at 6:02:09 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>> So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
>> crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

> And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
> text searches...

Oops! You are right. So I'll reformulate: those who use *gmail* for
*private* correspondence may simply not to use it, and no fuss no
problem. (-:

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Watcher,

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:23:54 -0500 GMT (27/12/2004, 01:23 +0700 GMT),
Watcher wrote:

>> Well, I do have an issue with such things as theft.

W>   I do as well, but that was not my point.

Sounded like it, though.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mary Bull]

Hello MFPA!

On Monday, December 27, 2004, 6:24 AM, you wrote:

>> :) But at least Google has not parsed your text, which you sent as an
>> innocent bystander, non-Gmail-member.

>> Small comfort, I guess.

> Unless the location of the archive is a Gmail account.   

:woe: There *is* that!

No way to win. Give up your friends who've opted for Gmail or give up
your privacy.  :(
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 27 December 2004 at 11:20:16 AM, Mary Bull wrote in Message-ID 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


>>> So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
>>> crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

>> And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
>> text searches...

> :) But at least Google has not parsed your text, which you sent as an
> innocent bystander, non-Gmail-member.

> Small comfort, I guess.

Unless the location of the archive is a Gmail account.  ;-)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Anne]

On Thursday, December 23, 2004, 8:13:27 PM, Peter wrote in message:
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P> I simply do not get why people would want to get bombarded with ads in a
P> potentially privacy infringing environment when you can get your own
P> domain with e-mail for very few money.


My thoughts exactly too Peter - I'm avoiding GMail like the plague!

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mary Bull]

Hello MFPA!

On Monday, December 27, 2004, 5:00 AM, you wrote:

>> So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
>> crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

> And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
> text searches...

:) But at least Google has not parsed your text, which you sent as an
innocent bystander, non-Gmail-member.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Diego Ducatenzeiler]

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, December 26, 2004, 1:12:15 PM, you wrote:

W>>   Fact is you don't actually have to pay for software anymore if you
W>> really don't want to because there are hacks and cracks out there for
W>> pretty much anything, including TB.

TF> That's true. You  also don't have to pay for the caviar in the
TF> supermarket if you just put it into your pocket without being seen.

(fist of all, i'm against it)

But what would you think if you had to fork off one and a half months
wage to pay for a program, NOT including around half month extra for
the money transfer? There's not a thing as equality for the third
world.

(but second, if it wasn't a luxury product, but bread?)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 26 December 2004 at 6:02:09 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

> So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
> crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> Mica wrote:

>> I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so
>> amazing and hilarious that I *had* to say something,

> I hear you then... :)

Thanks. (:

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 1:02:09 PM [GMT -0500], Mica wrote:

> I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing
> and hilarious that I *had* to say something,

I hear you then... :)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:32:47 -0500 GMT (26/12/2004, 17:32 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> Yes. We do have a responsibility towards the privacy of the other
AM> parties when handling those messages we've received.

Thanks for agreeing.

>> Having said all that, I agree that once the message that I sent to you
>> is on your computer, you can do with it what you want. For example,
>> you can edit the subject line to make it easier for you to search for
>> it. Alas, TB's anti-edit advocates see that differently...

AM> I don't. :)

Good to know that! :-)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   @  @  at 05:32:47 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote:

>> I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post
>> office can read a postcard. I am not sure about your country, but the
>> postman is not allowed to read a postcard, even though he can. On top
>> of that, he is not allowed to use the information in the postcard for
>> his own profit.

> Agreed.

This is a bit controversial; they are not allowed to but technically is
not possible to second or protect this rule in any way: postcards are
all the way open for "previewing". So a post(wo)man simply may say that
he was dreaming some info being on postcard, and his/her dream is
his/her property, and that's it. (-:

That's why people may choose what to use for a private mail: a postcard
or an enveloped letter. Expecting for my privacy to be protected by a
"third party" while I myself act quite contrarily, exposing my privacy
publicly, on a post card, has no any sense. (:

So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?

I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing
and hilarious that I *had* to say something, regardless it's a Sunday
today and therefore it could be not perhaps appropriate at all. (-:

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:45:58 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 19:45 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> OTOH, GMail offers a service, and offerings like that on a mass scale,
AM> are never charitable. They make money. In this case it's from
AM> advertising and parsing of the mail of their subscribers.

The exact point. The subscriber has agreed to this, the innocent
sender of an email to the subscriber hasn't.

Let's assume they parse only outgoing email (I don't believe that, but
let's just play with this idea). The outgoing email will often
contains parts or all of the original incoming email...

AM> In your ISP's case, it's from direct monetary payment from you and
AM> their other customers.

That's why I suggest using ISPs or email providers who either directly
charge money for their service (my choice), or add random ads.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Watcher,

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:02:37 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 17:02 +0700 GMT),
Watcher wrote:

W>   Fact is you don't actually have to pay for software anymore if you
W> really don't want to because there are hacks and cracks out there for
W> pretty much anything, including TB.

That's true. You  also don't have to pay for the caviar in the
supermarket if you just put it into your pocket without being seen.

W> Realizing this, any paid for software is voluntary

True. Fortunately for developers, many users who like the product are
honest.

W> even if it's not shareware to anyone that wants to become aware and
W> doesn't have issues with such things.

Well, I do have an issue with such things as theft.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 10:53:43 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:

> I'm not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that any message
> that you receive from me (either by TO, CC or BCC) is your and you
> can do with it what you want, that's OK with me.

Right.

> I didn't send it to the ISP for the purpose of parsing it for their
> data mining purposes, though. If you agree that any mail sent to you
> can be parsed, you agree on my behalf that the contents of my message
> to you can be used by thrid parties, and you never asked me in advance.

Yes. We do have a responsibility towards the privacy of the other
parties when handling those messages we've received.

> I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post
> office can read a postcard. I am not sure about your country, but the
> postman is not allowed to read a postcard, even though he can. On top
> of that, he is not allowed to use the information in the postcard for
> his own profit.

Agreed.

> Having said all that, I agree that once the message that I sent to you
> is on your computer, you can do with it what you want. For example,
> you can edit the subject line to make it easier for you to search for
> it. Alas, TB's anti-edit advocates see that differently...

I don't. :)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:18:18 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 12:18 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

>> *you* get a free service, and then I send you an email, they will
>> parse *my* email as well. I never agreed to that, so what do you want
>> to answer to me? Is it still only up to you?

AM> I back up *my* mail. *My* e-mail, and not all the mail of which copies
AM> were sent to me and that aren't really mine. :) If you send me a
AM> message, the message I get is mine, isn't it?

I'm not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that any message
that you receive from me (either by TO, CC or BCC) is your and you can
do with it what you want, that's OK with me.

I didn't send it to the ISP for the purpose of parsing it for their
data mining purposes, though. If you agree that any mail sent to you
can be parsed, you agree on my behalf that the contents of my message
to you can be used by thrid parties, and you never asked me in advance.

I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post
office can read a postcard. I am not sure about your country, but the
postman is not allowed to read a postcard, even though he can. On top
of that, he is not allowed to use the information in the postcard for
his own profit.

Having said all that, I agree that once the message that I sent to you
is on your computer, you can do with it what you want. For example,
you can edit the subject line to make it easier for you to search for
it. Alas, TB's anti-edit advocates see that differently...

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 7:23:52 AM [GMT -0500], Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:

> I do have the feeling however that your ethics wouldn't allow you to use
> the mail you received, or parts thereof, to create an income. And I hope
> I'm not wrong.  

Sure. I'm not providing a service to others.

OTOH, GMail offers a service, and offerings like that on a mass scale,
are never charitable. They make money. In this case it's from
advertising and parsing of the mail of their subscribers. In your
ISP's case, it's from direct monetary payment from you and their other
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Allie Martin & everyone else,

on 25-Dez-2004 at 06:18 you (Allie Martin) wrote:

> I back up *my* mail. *My* e-mail, and not all the mail of which copies
> were sent to me and that aren't really mine. :) If you send me a message,
> the message I get is mine, isn't it?

I do have the feeling however that your ethics wouldn't allow you to use
the mail you received, or parts thereof, to create an income. And I hope
I'm not wrong. :)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thorvald Neumann & everyone else,

on 25-Dez-2004 at 11:35 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote:

>> I have my own domain. I pay money for it. Thats my decision. However, I
>> have no choice with Google scanning my mails to show ads to the
>> recipient. For me, and maybe for me alone, thats a completely different
>> league.

> What about the official scanning of all emails for "security reasons"
> after January 1st in Germany? TKÜV E-Mail Überwachung...

Good that you mention it. There's a lot of misunderstanding are paranoia
about this at the moment. I hope I can put it into understandably english
(I'll stop public replies to this topic after this one, promised).

In short (way OT) - monitoring of telecommunications is already allowed for
law enforcement, it is existing law. Just like telephone companies must
make it possible for officials (after a judical decision) to tap into a
phoneline, email providers with more than 1000 clients must make it
*technically* possible that officials can monitor email traffic of crime
suspects.

The TKÜV means that email providers *must* supply ways for law enforcement
to actually monitor - BUT that monitoring will only happen after a judical
decision. By no means all mails are scanned "just in case".

Further information:
http://www.regtp.de/tech_reg_tele/start/in_06-09-00-00-00_m/index.html
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Friday, December 24, 2004, 23:26, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> I have my own domain. I pay money for it. Thats my decision.
> However, I have no choice with Google scanning my mails to show ads
> to the recipient. For me, and maybe for me alone, thats a completely
> different league.

What about the official scanning of all emails for "security reasons"
after January 1st in Germany? TKÜV E-Mail Überwachung...

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 11:56:06 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:

> The first difference is that Yahoo adds random ads, while Gmail parses
> your emails to add personalised ads that are "relevant" to you.

> The second difference is that for public mailing lists, I would have
> little concern about messages read by third parties (robotic or
> human), because everything written to a mailing list / newsgropup /
> forum etc is an open message which can be read by anybody anyways (in
> realtime or in the archives). However, a private mail to a confidant
> using gmail is another quality, IMHO.

Again, I don't see a difference *from a money POV*.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 11:50:40 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:

> Right, it's up to you. I myself prefer to pay for a good service
> rather than allow them to parse my email so they can "personalise"
> ads. The problem is that when you agree to them parsing your email so
> *you* get a free service, and then I send you an email, they will
> parse *my* email as well. I never agreed to that, so what do you want
> to answer to me? Is it still only up to you?

I back up *my* mail. *My* e-mail, and not all the mail of which copies
were sent to me and that aren't really mine. :) If you send me a
message, the message I get is mine, isn't it?

If you want privacy, then encrypt your mail and let GMail have fun
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:04:30 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 01:04 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> I don't see the difference from a money-making POV. Yahoogroups is an
AM> ad driven service that is offered at no cash cost to users. Yahoo
AM> makes money off the messages you send to TBOT. 

The first difference is that Yahoo adds random ads, while Gmail parses
your emails to add personalised ads that are "relevant" to you.

The second difference is that for public mailing lists, I would have
little concern about messages read by third parties (robotic or
human), because everything written to a mailing list / newsgropup /
forum etc is an open message which can be read by anybody anyways (in
realtime or in the archives). However, a private mail to a confidant
using gmail is another quality, IMHO.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tony,

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:11:21 + GMT (25/12/2004, 03:11 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

W>> They make money on it or they would't do it, simple as that.

TB> So you get up for work every day, do a hard days work whatever it
TB> is and you don't expect to get paid for it?

No, I understand Watcher is on the same page as you and me, he is very
clear that they do it for the money and not out of altruism.

TB> What really fascinates me is the amount of people who want
TB> everything for nothing regardless of the cost to anyone else.

I asked everybody who insists that software or services like email
must be free to also contribute an equal amount. Most of the
"everything must be free" people are just takers, not givers. (I first
wrote another word for "takers" but that would have earned me a
trout.)

TB> I don't expect anything for nothing, if I like something I pay for
TB> it. If I can get something for nothing at the expense of the odd
TB> advert then that's one up to me, no one else, me, I consider that
TB> a result.

Right, it's up to you. I myself prefer to pay for a good service
rather than allow them to parse my email so they can "personalise"
ads. The problem is that when you agree to them parsing your email so
*you* get a free service, and then I send you an email, they will
parse *my* email as well. I never agreed to that, so what do you want
to answer to me? Is it still only up to you?

TB> Because my money is staying in my pocket.

Your pocket is closed to them, but your - and your correspondents! -
privacy is wide open. I value my privacy higher than my money, but
people apparently are different.

TB> If I don't like the service I stop using it and I've lost nothing.
TB> If I've obligated myself to a 12 month contract costing megabucks
TB> simply because I don't want adverts and I don't like it then
TB> tough, I got to stick with for 12 months.

If you can tell me which ISP offers email services for "megabucks"
without any testing phase, please advise. Or better, just stay away
from them. 30-day trials are quite normal for software and pay-for
services these days.

TB>  Merry Christmas.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Allie Martin & everyone else,

on 24-Dez-2004 at 19:04 you (Allie Martin) wrote:

> I don't see the difference from a money-making POV. Yahoogroups is an
> ad driven service that is offered at no cash cost to users. Yahoo
> makes money off the messages you send to TBOT. 

> If there's a security issue .. fine. However, being sick about the
> money making part makes no sense from where I'm sitting.

Its a question of choice. I have a choice on Yahoo. I'm not a Yahoo user. I
have my own domain. I pay money for it. Thats my decision. However, I have
no choice with Google scanning my mails to show ads to the recipient. For
me, and maybe for me alone, thats a completely different league.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

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   @  @  at 13:55:11 -0500, when Chris wrote:

> Allie Martin:

>> If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
>> appear as footers.

> That may work on TBOT, but not on other Yahoo Group lists. People
> using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
> they get a PGP/MIME message.

If they wouldn't freak out then it wouldn't be the right thing.

As Lao {Tse|Tzu|Ce|Cu|Ce-Ce|Tse-Tse|Cu-Cu|Tzu-Tzu} would say.

I don't know what to say when they get a complete certificate with each
new message, though. (-; Is there a way to remove such certificates from
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Chris,

  A reminder of what Chris on TBUDL typed on:
  24 December 2004 at 19:56:20 GMT +0100

C> People
C> using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
C> they get a PGP/MIME message.

 Ah bless :)


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Allie,

  A reminder of what Allie Martin on TBUDL typed on:
  24 December 2004 at 19:05:41 GMT +0100

AM> This isn't making much sense.

AM> I pay my ISP so that I can get Internet connectivity to view your
AM> messages. They make money off doing that. My agreement to pay my ISP
AM> has nothing to do with you sending your message.

AM> OK. So I wish to use an e-mail service at no charge in cash. I pay in
AM> kind, i.e., tolerating ads if I use a web interface as well as the
AM> privacy issues of having my mail scanned. So there's an agreement
AM> there just as my agreement to pay my ISP money.

AM> I don't see the difference from a money-making POV. Yahoogroups is an
AM> ad driven service that is offered at no cash cost to users. Yahoo
AM> makes money off the messages you send to TBOT. 

AM> If there's a security issue .. fine. However, being sick about the
AM> money making part makes no sense from where I'm sitting.

 Amen !


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Watcher,

  A reminder of what Watcher on TBUDL typed on:
  24 December 2004 at 16:26:36 GMT +0100

W> They make money on it or they would't do it, simple as that.

 So you get up for work every day, do a hard days work whatever it is and you
 don't expect to get paid for it?

 How many people on here moaned like Hell (Sorry Mary) when they was told they'd
 have to pay to upgrade to version 3 of The Bat? Most of them. I bought a new
 car and guess what, they even expect me to pay for more petrol when it runs
 out, unfair or what?... Get my point!

 What really fascinates me is the amount of people who want everything for
 nothing regardless of the cost to anyone else.

 I don't expect anything for nothing, if I like something I pay for it. If I can
 get something for nothing at the expense of the odd advert then that's one up
 to me, no one else, me, I consider that a result. Because my money is staying
 in my pocket. If I don't like the service I stop using it and I've lost
 nothing. If I've obligated myself to a 12 month contract costing megabucks
 simply because I don't want adverts and I don't like it then tough, I got to
 stick  with for 12 months.

 Merry Christmas.


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Andreas,

  A reminder of what Andreas Schwartmann on TBUDL typed on:
  24 December 2004 at 15:11:05 GMT +0100

AS> Well, let' see, if it works here, too. :-)

 It did.


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Chris]

Allie Martin @ 2004-Dec-24 6:30:28 AM
"G-Mail... Again!" 

> If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
> appear as footers.

That may work on TBOT, but not on other Yahoo Group lists. People
using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
they get a PGP/MIME message.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 8:39:03 AM [GMT -0500], Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:

> I just hate it that *google* earns money by scanning *my* mails and
> showing text relevant ads to the recipient (if he/she uses the web
> interface and not POP3, ok, noticed...). Someone out there is
> earning money from a mail I wrote to someone else. Isn't that
> totally sick?

This isn't making much sense.

I pay my ISP so that I can get Internet connectivity to view your
messages. They make money off doing that. My agreement to pay my ISP
has nothing to do with you sending your message.

OK. So I wish to use an e-mail service at no charge in cash. I pay in
kind, i.e., tolerating ads if I use a web interface as well as the
privacy issues of having my mail scanned. So there's an agreement
there just as my agreement to pay my ISP money.

I don't see the difference from a money-making POV. Yahoogroups is an
ad driven service that is offered at no cash cost to users. Yahoo
makes money off the messages you send to TBOT. 

If there's a security issue .. fine. However, being sick about the
money making part makes no sense from where I'm sitting.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:10:27 -0500 GMT (24/12/2004, 09:10 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

>> It's a marketing technique. [...] Gmail doesn't need to advertise,
>> you do it all for them.

AM> Hmmm. You seem to be unto something there. I can certainly see that
AM> working very well as it seems to have.

As I said, marketing and psychology are close friends these days.

AM> There's this rave about searching mail.

It's part of the technique. You have to have a Unique Selling Point
(USP), through whcih you can be distinguished from the competitors.
This feature (in case of software) will be pushed to be the conscious
reason that people say (and believe) they use the product/service for.
It's important that the consumers have a rational reply when asked why
they bought/use that product/service. Even if they bought it for
emotional reasons.

AM> Anyway, YMMV, so who am I to say?

Mileages vary, and it is important that communication between the
different mileage...ers is upheld.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Watcher,

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:25:42 -0500 GMT (24/12/2004, 22:25 +0700 GMT),
Watcher wrote:

TF>>> I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.

>>  I'm not sure they do.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/08/gmail_germany/

And on https://gmail.google.com/ they say:

> No pop-up ads. No untargeted banners.
> You see only relevant text ads and links to related web pages of interest.

How do they know it's relevant?

W>   They make money on it or they would't do it, simple as that.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/15/gmail_spook_heaven/

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

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> Hello Tony,

>> Hello Leif,

Q Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q one?

>> Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to
>> give away.

> Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :)

Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-:

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thomas Fernandez & everyone else,

I promised myself to not get into such a discussion again, but there I
go... :-)

on 24-Dez-2004 at 02:53 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:

> I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes

You can't do a thing about it. Problem is *sending* a mail to anyone with a
gmail account... like the subscribers to this list who are subscribed with
their gmail account. You have no choice. I give a damn about privacy in
this case (no other choice, anyway), I wouldn't be subscribed to this list
if I did (with public list archives and everything)...

 BUT!!!

I just hate it that *google* earns money by scanning *my* mails and showing
text relevant ads to the recipient (if he/she uses the web interface and
not POP3, ok, noticed...). Someone out there is earning money from a mail I
wrote to someone else. Isn't that totally sick?

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Sean Rima]

Hello Tony,

Thursday, December 23, 2004, 7:09:18 PM, you wrote:


> Hello Leif,

>   A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBUDL typed on:
>   23 December 2004 at 19:22:40 GMT +0100

Q>>>   Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q>>>   one?

>  Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to give 
> away.



Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Andreas!

On Friday, December 24, 2004, 6:01 AM, you wrote:

> How can I do that via template?

> Is it enough to include %SIGNCOMPLETE in my message template?

Yes. That's all you need, if you have OpenPGP enabled in
Account/Properties/Options (main window).

I just added it to my Reply and New message templates in Address
Book/tbot [address]/Edit/Properties, and it's working like a charm!

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Peter Fjelsten]

Thomas,

On 24-12-2004 02:58, you [TF] wrote in
:
TF> It's a marketing technique.

(snip)

My point exactly regarding all you wrote.

I would never want an account there as I see a large potential for data
mining and advertising run amok. Not to mention I have concerns about
GMail and privacy.

Simply I do not see what the fuss is about.

(OK, _I'll_ stop now, I promise! :) )

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie!

On Friday, December 24, 2004, 5:30 AM, you wrote:

>>> Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.

>> Allie, what do you mean?

> If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
> appear as footers.

Ah! Okay, thanks a mil!! I shall put that into my TBOT templates! Off
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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 6:25:13 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull
wrote:

>> Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.

> Allie, what do you mean?

If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
appear as footers.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie!

On Friday, December 24, 2004, 5:18 AM, you wrote:

>> Take a look at the adverts you get tagged onto the bottom of TBOT
>> Yahoo posts.

> Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.

Allie, what do you mean? I thought those came with the territory on
TBOT. With people whose cut lines don't work on TBOT, I'm using
"select/shift/reply arrow" in order not to have to trim all that stuff
when I post a Reply.

A better way to do it from you would be most appreciated here!! :)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 4:57:28 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom
wrote:

> Take a look at the adverts you get tagged onto the bottom of TBOT
> Yahoo posts.

Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them. ;)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 11:39:14 PM [GMT -0500], Watcher
wrote:

>   I've been looking at Thunderbird, looks fine but I ca't see why you
> would want to have it AND TB... Just curious.

Long and bitter battles with TB! IMAP. I have it working reasonably
well at home here. Annoying problems still abound, but I just restart
frequently and anticipate the problems. At work, TB! performance on a
slower connection is just not good enough. ThunderBird is far better
to use there, though it lacks a lot of features I'm accustomed to with
TB!, illustrating the importance of solidly working, efficient and
stable basic functionality over supporting features.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas,

  A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez on TBUDL typed on:
  24 December 2004 at 02:56:17 GMT +0100

TF> I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.

 I'm not sure they do. Everyone keeps on about G-Mail adverts etc. and I can't
 remember ever seeing any or anything else untoward.

 I've been using it for a while and using the pop/smtp option with TB I never
 need to use the web interface so don't see any adverts at all. Obviously you'll
 see adverts on the web site, not many sites you won't see adverts, especially
 one's offering a free service.

 Take a look at the adverts you get tagged onto the bottom of TBOT Yahoo posts.


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 8:58:19 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:

> It's a marketing technique. If you get "invited" by a friend, you
> are more likely to subscribe and use that service than if they
> openend it for free registration on their website. You trust your
> friend, so you implicitely trust the product, and since it is not
> open but you need an invite, you feel like a member of an exclusive
> club. You also use the new email address with pride (so it's not
> like with many Yahoo addresses that never get used), and you
> actively invite other people thus pushing the product further. Gmail
> doesn't need to advertise, you do it all for them.

Hmmm. You seem to be unto something there. I can certainly see that
working very well as it seems to have.

There's this rave about searching mail. I spend most of my time
reading mail and not really searching for mail. Furthermore, most of
my searches are done with TB!'s or ThunderBirds similar type quick
search function.

Anyway, YMMV, so who am I to say?

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:13:27 +0100 GMT (24/12/2004, 03:13 +0700 GMT),
Peter Fjelsten wrote:

PF> I simply do not get why people would want to get bombarded with ads in a
PF> potentially privacy infringing environment when you can get your own
PF> domain with e-mail for very few money.

It's a marketing technique. If you get "invited" by a friend, you are
more likely to subscribe and use that service than if they openend it
for free registration on their website. You trust your friend, so you
implicitely trust the product, and since it is not open but you need
an invite, you feel like a member of an exclusive club. You also use
the new email address with pride (so it's not like with many Yahoo
addresses that never get used), and you actively invite other people
thus pushing the product further. Gmail doesn't need to advertise, you
do it all for them.

Marketing has many aspects from psychology.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tony,

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:09:32 + GMT (24/12/2004, 06:09 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

LG>> They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|

TB>  No point, Allie is the only person on the planet that has refused an 
invite,
TB>  everyone else already has 6 of their own :)

I don't have one... I could have if I wanted to. Seeing that all of
you have so many that would be no problem.

I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie Martin]

On Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 6:08:21 PM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom
wrote:

> You don't have to give them away. Every time I do I get more. In
> fact I had three left and they added another 3 before I could get
> rid of them.

> Do you want one to play with?

I pass. I have my hands more than full trying to make TB! and
ThunderBird work for me with IMAP.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Peter,

  A reminder of what Peter Fjelsten on TBUDL typed on:
  23 December 2004 at 21:16:17 GMT +0100

PF> OK, I'll stop now - this whole GMail discussion should probably not
PF> start up again...  

 Least not on TBUDL.


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Leif,

  A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBUDL typed on:
  23 December 2004 at 20:43:45 GMT +0100

LG> They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|

 No point, Allie is the only person on the planet that has refused an invite,
 everyone else already has 6 of their own :)


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Tony Boom]

Hello AC,

  A reminder of what AC Martin on TBUDL typed on:
  23 December 2004 at 20:39:46 GMT +0100

AM> If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
AM> having all those invites to give out?  

 You don't have to give them away. Every time I do I get more. In fact I had
 three left and they added another 3 before I could get rid of them.

 Do you want one to play with?


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 23 December 2004 at 7:40:05 PM, Leif Gregory wrote:

> Hello AC,

> Thursday, December 23, 2004, 12:39:11 PM, you wrote:
A>> If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
A>> having all those invites to give out? :)

> Unfortunately, yes... It's getting bad. It used to be you'd only get
> invites every once in a while. Now you can't get rid of them fast
> enough.

I accepted an invitation in early September and have only this
week given out my first 4 invitations.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Peter Fjelsten]

Allie,

On 23-12-2004 20:48, you [A] wrote in
:
>> They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|

A> One wonders why they didn't do that before.

This is the biggest "MLM-scheme" I have seen for a long time over
something that to me is very ill-conceived for a lot of reasons.

I simply do not get why people would want to get bombarded with ads in a
potentially privacy infringing environment when you can get your own
domain with e-mail for very few money.

OK, I'll stop now - this whole GMail discussion should probably not
start up again... :)

A> It's horrendously popular it would seem.

Horrendous is a very precise choice of words if you ask me... :)

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Allie]

Hi Leif Gregory,
 On 23/12/2004 02:40 PM, you wrote:

> Unfortunately, yes... It's getting bad. It used to be you'd only get
> invites every once in a while. Now you can't get rid of them fast
> enough.
> 
> They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|

One wonders why they didn't do that before.

It's horrendously popular it would seem.

Every application that polls servers for mail or potentially does so has
a plugin for GMail or has GMail support integrated.

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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[Leif Gregory]

Hello AC,

Thursday, December 23, 2004, 12:39:11 PM, you wrote:
A> If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
A> having all those invites to give out? :)

Unfortunately, yes... It's getting bad. It used to be you'd only get
invites every once in a while. Now you can't get rid of them fast
enough.

They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|


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Re: G-Mail... Again!

[AC Martin]

Hi Tony Boom,
 On 23/12/2004 02:09 PM, you wrote:

> Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to
> give away.

If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
having all those invites to give out? :)

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