Re: Scheduling Backup of TB! -- Issue Resolved
Hi On Thursday 17 August 2006 at 3:00:57 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Perry Nelson wrote: (I wrote this reply on August 15th, but the message bounced with a permanent failure notice for TBUDL. So, sorry for the delayed response.) I got permanent failure notices for TBUDL for a couple of days about two weeks ago. -- Best regards, MFPA No matter where you go, there you are. Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB! -- Issue Resolved
Hi Alexander, Tuesday, August 15, 2006, 7:03:36 AM, you wrote: Is Scheduler known to have problems with executing reliably? ASK Sorry, no. I have no idea. I'm not using the scheduler. No problem. (I wrote this reply on August 15th, but the message bounced with a permanent failure notice for TBUDL. So, sorry for the delayed response.) ASK I just thought its a rather complicated way to make a backup and ASK felt the urge to add a comment to this rather important issue. I'm glad you did. I always find your comments insightful and helpful, and in this case, they led me to rethink how to achieve my objective. And now, are you ready for this? This morning out of the blue the email was generated, signifying the completion of the backup! Granted it was generated an hour late, at 02:45 a.m. rather than 01:45 a.m., but it was created and sent. That was the first time that the email was auto-generated without my running the task manually. Also the incremental backup was done. I have no explanation for why it suddenly works. I plan to leave the task in place for a couple of more nights just to see if it continues to work. However, I'm not going to rely on that backup as my way to restore TB! if necessary but on my regular backup procedure instead. Update on 8/17/06: The scheduled action has now worked for three days in a row, still an hour late, but that is of no consequence to me. Here is the content of the three messages I've received. Backup successful at 2:45:00 AM on Tuesday, August 15, 2006. Backup successful at 2:45:00 AM on Wednesday, August 16, 2006. Backup successful at 2:45:00 AM on Thursday, August 17, 2006. In the interim, I've setup my usual backup routine to backup both the home folder and the mail folder, so I am covered. I'll do a periodic backup of the whole installation using TB!'s internal backup tool, just so I have that in case I need it. Sorry to have caused undue alarm over the fact that it didn't work immediately, but I appreciate everyone's attempt to help. I don't know why it needed a three day running start to work, but work it now does. And now that it works, I'll probably delete that task in favor of the alternate backup strategy mentioned above. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB! -- Issue Resolved
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 17-Aug-2006 at 16:00 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Sorry to have caused undue alarm over the fact that it didn't work immediately, but I appreciate everyone's attempt to help. I don't know why it needed a three day running start to work, but work it now does. Maybe TB needs to arrange its own schedule first. Dang! Guys, I can't go flyin' out to the pub any more, my owner has scheduled a nightly backup! - A, but what about the unfinished round of poker? - key, I'll be there, but only until sunday, fellas, I can't keep missing this event or they'll start filing bug reports and whatnot... you know, I've got users! And now that it works, I'll probably delete that task in favor of the alternate backup strategy mentioned above. *grin* -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 14-Aug-2006 at 00:14 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: However, I would still like to understand why Scheduler in TB! isn't triggering the backup I have set up. I'd like to be able to rely on Scheduler to run tasks, but if it won't execute a properly created task, I can't do that. Do you have any idea why the event I have set up is not being triggered? Is Scheduler known to have problems with executing reliably? Sorry, no. I have no idea. I'm not using the scheduler. I just thought its a rather complicated way to make a backup and felt the urge to add a comment to this rather important issue. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Hell would be a small universe that we could explore thoroughly and fully comprehend. -- Timothy Ferris Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:44:37 -0400, Chris W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my full backup file is nearly 80 MB, and the incremental files grow by about a megabyte a day... Only 80 megs? You, sir, are only a novice. This amateur's backups are a paltry 300 megs. Duh, those sizes are long beyond significance - unfortunately. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:14:19 -0400, Perry Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I would still like to understand why Scheduler in TB! isn't triggering the backup I have set up. Does it trigger other tasks? Try some very simple, partial tasks of what you planned originally. You may be able to figure out at what point TB! ceases. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Cory, Monday, August 14, 2006, 9:39:09 AM, you wrote: C Does it trigger other tasks? That's actually a very helpful question. Thanks. C Try some very simple, partial tasks of what you planned originally. I set up a simple test event and set it to notify me. It did NOT occur as scheduled! So it would appear that scheduler isn't triggering ANY events on my system. Now the chore is to figure out why. For the record, this feature HAS worked in the past (at least for simple tasks), prior to my having to reinstall recently. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Perry, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 5:04:01 PM, you wrote: PN Can you tell me what to change to cause this event to trigger PN automatically every night as it should? I'll reiterate that if I PN manually cause this scheduled event to execute immediately, it does PN everything just exactly as it should. I periodically have a problem with scheduler. My backup settings are identical with the exception of the e-mail, and it works fine. But a different task set within scheduler fails to run now after working fine for over a year. Another one runs fine - most of the time. (I have the same problem with the maintenance center: most folders get purged according to the settings I have, but two do not even though settings are identical to others.) I don't know if it'll help, but try deleting the task and creating a new one. -- Cheers, Rick Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hello Perry, On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PN However, my problem is that the event isn't triggered automatically. I do a backup each night too. The only difference is that I don't send myself a message afterwards but, apart from that, my settings are the same as yours and my backup runs as it should so I can't help - sorry :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta. POP3 account AntispamSniper plug-in | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Richard, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 8:28:16 AM, you wrote: RW I do a backup each night too. The only difference is that I don't RW send myself a message afterwards but, apart from that, my settings RW are the same as yours and my backup runs as it should so I can't RW help - sorry :-( Thanks for confirming that your settings match mine. I doubt that my sending myself a message afterwards would cause it not to run though. The reason I added that step was to confirm automatically that it had been done. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
On Sunday, August 13, 2006, at 7:04:01 AM, Perry Nelson wrote: Thanks for any suggestions you may have. What are the properties of your Backup event on the Actions tab (highlight the event and click Edit to view them)? I'm running an incremental backup every night at 11:59 p.m. local time and it seems to be working perfectly. I do a full system backup at 4 a.m., which captures the TB backup file, and so I delete the TB backup files each Saturday and create a new full backup manually. This is to keep the files from filling the disk, since my full backup file is nearly 80 MB, and the incremental files grow by about a megabyte a day... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Jim, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 11:41:25 AM, you wrote: jjc What are the properties of your Backup event on the Actions tab jjc (highlight the event and click Edit to view them)? Backup Tab: What to backup: Account Properties Folders with Messages Address Books (all options selected) Global Options Attachment Files Backup Method Create an Update to existing archive (Path specified) Comment: Auto Backup and a check in the option to add a timestamp to the comment. Select Tab: All three accounts are selected. I appreciate knowing your overall plan. I may move to something similar if I can get this basic automatic backup to work. Until that happens, I don't have to worry about the HD filling up with backups. ;-) -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hello Perry Nelson everyone else, on 13-Aug-2006 at 14:04 you (Perry Nelson) wrote: Because I recently had to restore TB! from a 2 month old backup, I decided to use the Scheduler to have TB! do a nightly incremental backup. You're using Windows XP. Your computer is running overnight to run the backup event you created within TB. I wonder, why don't you use NTbackup?!? You can schedule an NTbackup task just as well (not with TBs scheduler, I mean the Windows scheduler) if your machine is running anyway. NTbackup is basically the same as a standalone version of Veritas (now Symantec) Backup Exec, one of the most widely used backup programs in the professional IT world. NTbackup is shipped with *every* Windows (at least the NT series) - if you're using XP Home you have to install it from the CD (which is described here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302894/) while on Windows2000 and XP Pro its already part of the default installation. And since Windows XP has a function called shadowcopies you can even back up the live registry and other vital system data (all together MS calls it systemstate) to have a backup thats worth the name. NTbackup is a nice and easy to use backup program. Creating and scheduling a backup event is a piece of cake! Using the wizard mode, even a novice can create a scheduled backup with it. The only important thing is that you should have a password set for your Windows user account because the Windows scheduler wants that in order to run the scheduled event with the correct user credentials. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Even the most overstuffed domestic cat demands a nocturnal prowl and the chance to leap upon an unsuspecting bird. -- Desmond Morris Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Alexander, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 1:54:11 PM, you wrote: ASK Your computer is running overnight to run the backup event you ASK created within TB. I wonder, why don't you use NTbackup?!? Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this issue. The plan you suggest may well be a better alternative than the one I had made, and I may consider doing it that way. In fact, I could even backup TB! from outside of it using the same daily routine I use to backup my system via FTP to my web hosting company. However, I would still like to understand why Scheduler in TB! isn't triggering the backup I have set up. I'd like to be able to rely on Scheduler to run tasks, but if it won't execute a properly created task, I can't do that. Do you have any idea why the event I have set up is not being triggered? Is Scheduler known to have problems with executing reliably? -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Perry Nelson @ 2006-8-13 8:04:01 AM Scheduling Backup of TB! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, my problem is that the event isn't triggered automatically. Silly question: do you leave The Bat! running over night? -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. This aphorism would be seven words long if it were six words shorter. pgp1kH8nhV6JP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-8-13 11:41:25 AM Scheduling Backup of TB! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] my full backup file is nearly 80 MB, and the incremental files grow by about a megabyte a day... Only 80 megs? You, sir, are only a novice. This amateur's backups are a paltry 300 megs. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Software documentation pgpFe3UUZcD4t.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling Backup of TB!
Hi Chris, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 6:32:39 PM, you wrote: CW Silly question: do you leave The Bat! running over night? Chuckle. Yes, I did, but thanks for asking. ;-) -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.81.14 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
