Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Tue 20 July 2004, 17:44:40 +1000, 9val wrote: RA I also continue to experience message lists that are blank when the RA folder is selected.It only occurs within a short period of time after TB! RA has been started (say the first 5 mins) but it has happened that a folder RA will display the contents initially, but when I move away from it and RA back again, the message list becomes blank. RA This is not a case of viewing a subset of messages - I have tried going RA to the View menu and selecting different options under Display to try to RA refresh the display, but that has no effect. The only solution I have RA found is simply waiting until the messages appear in the list again. This RA may take anywhere from 10 secs to a couple of minutes. Do you use IMAP or POP3 account? POP3 -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 301 Processing time: 1 years, 244 days, 21 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Hello Robin, RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? It can be caused by VFs with complex filters or/and operating on huge folders. Try to check 'Store state between sessions' in VF properties it should help. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Tue 20 July 2004, 5:15:28 +1000, 9val wrote: RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? It can be caused by VFs with complex filters or/and operating on huge folders. Try to check 'Store state between sessions' in VF properties it should help. I have one VF that checks for flagged messages in a single account. That account has 4,300 messages, and the largest folder has 680 messages. I have 'Store state between sessions' selected, and I think that has made a difference. I don't seem to have a delay of more than 40 secs in the updating of the message counters. This delay is not actually before the counters update, it occurs after a small number (usually one to three) of the message counters show a value. After the delay the counters update sequentially through the accounts at a rapid pace. I also continue to experience message lists that are blank when the folder is selected.It only occurs within a short period of time after TB! has been started (say the first 5 mins) but it has happened that a folder will display the contents initially, but when I move away from it and back again, the message list becomes blank. This is not a case of viewing a subset of messages - I have tried going to the View menu and selecting different options under Display to try to refresh the display, but that has no effect. The only solution I have found is simply waiting until the messages appear in the list again. This may take anywhere from 10 secs to a couple of minutes. I have tried compressing and purging all my folders, but that has not resolved the problem. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 301 Processing time: 1 years, 244 days, 21 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Fri, 16 Jul 2004, at 09:52:13 +1000, @ @ when Robin Anson wrote: When I first start up TB! 2.12 it takes roughly 80 secs from opening the TB! window until numbers start to appear next to folders indicating numbers of messages. If I close and restart TB! it takes less time for this process to happen, but it is still 30 or 40 secs until the numbering process starts. The application hasn't hung, I can select different mailboxes, etc, it is simply a problem with the numbering process. Furthermore, the contents of the folder that is initially highlighted will often not appear for some considerable time. Sometimes the contents appear once number of messages in the folder has been counted, but at other times the message list window remains blank long after that occurs. I can still select other folders and see their contents when this occurs. Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? I have about 13.000 messages in this moment, in 4-5 active accounts, and just one virtual folder, for flagged messages of all accounts/folders (folders about 350). I can't remember exactly how long, but TB needs more than 30 seconds to start and become usable. When it counts messages, it needs about 10-15 seconds to finish that, and *if* I work something in it (like changing focus, folders, or anything else) during that time, something is always messed up, so I have to restart TB. Since I have very silent HDD I didn't notice what really happens, until I putted a glance at HDD light indicator. After that I always wait until the indicator is off, which means that TB has finished messages counting, so I can start to work with it. If I do so, then no mentioned problems occur. It is same with versions 2.11.xx and 2.12. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA94gL9q62QPd3XuIRAoscAJ4vSKCuTdMILk7Hjyu59OCRBNc9tgCdFFv4 4kTGwpAMpwgz23T3JEOMPqc= =Obix -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Thursday, July 15, 2004, 9:03 PM, you wrote: PO Just timed, roughly. PO Startup takes approx 30 sec, updating all the msg counters. PO Shutdown, compress all folders, takes approx 10 seconds. so, it seems pretty common, as Mica also mentioned, to take 30+ seconds to get TB up and running.. doesn't matter what OS, but I'm sure more ram helps, I have 256 megs, and have similar symptoms. PO Using an email server on my LAN, spam filter and AVG as TB pluging, PO several TB filters. I use mercury32, but only to send. I have a router, but only 1 computer on the LAN right now, THE KIDS LEFT heh heh -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-1 (15.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Hallo Robin, On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:52:13 +1000GMT (16-7-2004, 1:52 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RA When I first start up TB! 2.12 it takes roughly 80 secs from opening the RA TB! window until numbers start to appear next to folders indicating RA numbers of messages. RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? Judging from the reactions it looks like you're not the only one, but over here I don't notice any lag at all. TB 2.12 1 pop account 28000 + messages No virtual folders Win XP pro with the latest fixes P4 3GHz 2GB Server is on the LAN Starting TB for the first time after booting takes 3 or 4 seconds, including the download of the (20-30) messages collected overnight. I suppose the virtual folders might be the problem. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Friday, July 16, 2004, 6:48 AM, you wrote: RO 1 pop account RO 28000 + messages RO No virtual folders RO Win XP pro with the latest fixes RO P4 3GHz 2GB RO Server is on the LAN RO Starting TB for the first time after booting takes 3 or 4 seconds, RO including the download of the (20-30) messages collected overnight. RO I suppose the virtual folders might be the problem. I suppose a turbo-charged processor and 10 times the normal amount of memory MIGHT have a teensy weensy bit to do with it?? -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-2 (16.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Hallo Paul, On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:21:41 -0400GMT (16-7-2004, 13:21 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO I suppose the virtual folders might be the problem. PC I suppose a turbo-charged processor and 10 times the normal amount PC of memory MIGHT have a teensy weensy bit to do with it?? A bit, maybe, but Robin mentioned 30-40 seconds before the numbering started. I mentioned a time when the numbering was done. So this time I grabbed a stopwatch P2 266MHz 192MB W98 TB 2.12 2 accounts, together 61000+ msgs AVG plug-in Mail server on the same computer first run after boot (incl splash screen) ready with counting after 16 seconds P4 3GHz 2GB Win XP pro latest updates TB 2.12 1 account, 28000+ msgs AVG plug-in Mail server on the LAN first run after boot (incl splash screen) ready with counting in 4 seconds A faster computer helps, just as less messages helps. But on a six year old computer (okay, so I upgraded the memory a bit) I was done counting the messages in 17 seconds, now you tell me that waiting for 30 seconds before starting to count depends upon a new computer. Additional plug-ins might cause the system slowing down, especially the BayesIt twit, but I really think it's the virtual folder thingy. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Fri, 16 Jul 2004, at 12:48:45 +0200, @ @ when Roelof Otten wrote: P4 3GHz 2GB Server is on the LAN Starting TB for the first time after booting takes 3 or 4 seconds, including the download of the (20-30) messages collected overnight. I suppose the virtual folders might be the problem. I suppose that TB needs more and more memory/resources. ;-) I have 192 RAM and 466 CPU, in a, globally, very fast (for that RAM and CPU) and stable system (Win98SE microlite professional) + using Cacheman, in advanced mode, so that I almost always have some 100 MB RAM free. These 3-4 and 30+ seconds are wide range. 10 times more/less is something. I know some people who stopped at 1.6x versions because TB became to hungry for them. And, if I am not wrong, this 2.12 is a bit faster then previous, 2.11.xx, version, and is taking about 3 MB RAM less (about 7 MB now) at start. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA98VZ9q62QPd3XuIRAt2oAJ9EP9olRNvU1v/viT0gr4jibl7BUwCdF2hd NskeI/wQr5UqAEQ5om4PvBQ= =ohXT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Friday, July 16, 2004, 8:17 AM, you wrote: RO A faster computer helps, just as less messages helps. But on a six RO year old computer (okay, so I upgraded the memory a bit) I was done RO counting the messages in 17 seconds, now you tell me that waiting for RO 30 seconds before starting to count depends upon a new computer. every setup is different, very hard to compare, true. faster processor and more memory will always help. I'm not saying to wait for anything, just trying to compare apples to apples:) RO Additional plug-ins might cause the system slowing down, especially RO the BayesIt twit, but I really think it's the virtual folder thingy. plugins and filters will always slow down the process. Virtual folders are a filter, so they will slow it down, just as my K9 does, to filter in the SPAM messages. My setup with K9 goes- start TB, TB connection center gets all messages, then sits and waits while K9 finishes filtering, THEN TB comes up ready. Would it work faster if K9 was not in the mix? dunno, because then I'd have more filters for SPAM.. -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-2 (16.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Fri, 16 Jul 2004, at 14:08:58 +0200, @ @ when Mica Mijatovic wrote: P4 3GHz 2GB Server is on the LAN Starting TB for the first time after booting takes 3 or 4 seconds, including the download of the (20-30) messages collected overnight. I suppose the virtual folders might be the problem. I suppose that TB needs more and more memory/resources. ;-) I have 192 RAM and 466 CPU, in a, globally, very fast (for that RAM and CPU) and stable system (Win98SE microlite professional) + using Cacheman, in advanced mode, so that I almost always have some 100 MB RAM free. These 3-4 and 30+ seconds are wide range. 10 times more/less is something. I know some people who stopped at 1.6x versions because TB became to hungry for them. Just to add a recent detail: My 98se micro light bursted down few hours ago (for the first time in some year and a half), so I placed a fresh OS image in a faster HDD. Now TB starts and is ready for work in 16 seconds. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA+B3p9q62QPd3XuIRAjBDAJwMY8hgPVPxzWP29ania14+Q+tiaQCcD517 FGgAv3+h+AKWWT9Cbflu2NA= =mUMN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Fri 16 July 2004, 22:17:30 +1000, Roelof Otten wrote: Additional plug-ins might cause the system slowing down, especially the BayesIt twit, but I really think it's the virtual folder thingy. I don't run any of those plugins, although I do have a virtual folder. However, I have exactly the same set up as I did with v2.11.02 and the difference in the time until the message counters start to update is major. I don't recall having noticed any lag in 2.11.02 before the count started, but in 2.12 it is 80 secs on the initial start up (after the computer is booted up) and 30-40 secs on subsequent start up. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Thursday, July 15, 2004, 7:52 PM, you wrote: RA Furthermore, the contents of the folder that is initially highlighted RA will often not appear for some considerable time. Sometimes the contents RA appear once number of messages in the folder has been counted, but at RA other times the message list window remains blank long after that occurs. RA I can still select other folders and see their contents when this occurs. RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? that's not a problem, that's a feature! but seriously, how many accounts do you have and how many messages ??? I never timed mine, but it does take a while to load up, and I also use K9 spam filter, so once the messages have been brought in, it still takes a bit longer to filter those... I have about 8 accounts and 10,000 messages or so.. dozens of filters... -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-1 (15.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Fri 16 July 2004, 10:36:28 +1000, Paul Cartwright wrote: that's not a problem, that's a feature! but seriously, how many accounts do you have and how many messages ??? 3 accounts, 8,000 messages I never timed mine, but it does take a while to load up, and I also use K9 spam filter, so once the messages have been brought in, it still takes a bit longer to filter those It's not a problem after downloading mail - that seems the same as V2.11 - it is when TB! initially starts up. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
On Fri 16 July 2004, 10:40:32 +1000, Peter Ouwehand wrote: Not unless I try to start TB while other $^*( is still loading during startup of my PC. Hmm, I checked that nothing else was loading before I started TB! Msg bases for my TB are stored on a networked location (LAN), in case the connection is shitty, it may take a little more time. But I don't recall having such long access times. My message bases are all local. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Robin Anson wrote: RA When I first start up TB! 2.12 it takes roughly 80 secs from RA opening the TB! window until numbers start to appear next to RA folders indicating numbers of messages. snip RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? Do you have many virtual folders? I don't recall the exact symptoms, but I had startup delays in The Bat! related to VFs. I had one VF filter set to look for text anywhere in the message which was really slow at startup. I've changed that one and made sure the Store state between sessions is checked for each VF without a time related selection filter. Seems to have helped. -- George Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
