Re: Wish list item
Thanks Allie. I think I'm getting there. I made a classic mistake and didn't set it to manual. Then refiltered my Inbox. NoteTab started going wild! Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Email Archiving, was: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:49:22 -0400 James Senick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 11:19:22 [GMT -0400] (which was 11:19:22 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: [SNIP] In addition, I think there are other programs, Mailbag Assistant or Zoot for instance, that are far more able to categorize, archive gather emails on a specific subject than TB! Tried them both...and the worst excuse for an archival program I've ever seen...Express Archiver. What I'd like to use is MHonArc but have yet to find the time to put some work into it. What don't you like about Mailbag Assistant? Has anyone tried Forkeeps? I'm beginning to think it's past time for me to do something about the archived email in old email clients I no longer lose, let alone TheBat! Thanks. Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Email Archiving, was: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hi Doug. At 5:48 AM on Monday, September 30, 2002 you [DW] wrote the following about 'Email Archiving, was: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)': DW Has anyone tried Forkeeps? Too expensive for me. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Archiving, was: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Doug, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 10:48:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 5:48:28 AM in NY, USA) Doug Weller wrote: What don't you like about Mailbag Assistant? Has anyone tried Forkeeps? Reply to this message has been sent directly to you and to TBOT as well as this thread has been declared Dead. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? I'm still studying Filters 101, this looks like postgrad work. :-) Thanks. Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, September 30, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPZif/SuD6BT4/R9zEQIlWgCg/GypkFjZIdVWP686XeQ9STobXOcAoKde S2atV/deora2bkGJFWXHmkyD =7LxU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Jonathan, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 14:03:20 [GMT -0500] (which was 3:03:20 PM in NY, USA) Jonathan Angliss wrote: On Monday, September 30, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) Don't forget to alter the paths listed to match your mail folder structure and the path to the text editor of your choice. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [SNIP] Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing [SNIP] AM You then go back to TB! and hit the shortcut to import the message, AM mark it as read and delete the original. Brilliant, thanks. I used the TB! import command for this. Unfortunately an Account or account folder has to be defined when running this command. If you have to be editing messages in a single folder then you should be in business since you could set up the command to import the altered message to the same folder. Here's the filter to import the message. The filter is invoked using Ctrl-alt-I. BeginFilter [SNIP] C:\Software\The Bat!Thebat.exe /IMPORTU=lists;UNIX;IN=C:\backup-cmds\edit.txt;READ lists - the target account name UNIX - denotes that the file being imported is of UNIX mailbox format. IN - denotes the location of the file to import. Read - sets the switch to mark the imported message as read. I'm lost again, sorry. What do I put for 'lists' and what is backup-cmds\edit.txt? I can match them up in my mind with the export filter. Thanks. Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Weller [DW] wrote:' DW I'm lost again, sorry. What do I put for 'lists' Put the name of the target account you wish to import the mail to. DW and what is backup-cmds\edit.txt? The name of and path to the source file you're importing the message from The /import command is fully documented in the help. Just look under advanced usage topics and command line parameters. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9mMOdV8nrYCsHF+IRAiNsAJ9KGlydiYgE4ApDbojIRvqN0B5UTQCgjecJ x9n7dY2E45wJgmcSS0LZWZA= =KK/+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wish list item
Hello Jonathan, Monday, September 30, 2002, 3:03:20 PM, you wrote: JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JA Hash: SHA1 JA On Monday, September 30, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... snip JA Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), JA copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. ^^ JA You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) Sorry, but where can I find the filters dialog box? I looked under Account|Sorting office/Filters but could not find any place to paste a regular expression. -- Best regards, Petermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta4 on Windows 98 If you really do put a small value upon yourself, rest assured that the world will not raise the price. - Anon Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hi Peter! In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, September 30, 2002, 4:56:57 PM, you wrote: JA Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), JA copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. PK^^ JA You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) PK Sorry, but where can I find the filters dialog box? PK I looked under Account|Sorting office/Filters but could not find any PK place to paste a regular expression. Just click on one of the filters here, then press Ctrl-V, and a new filter will appear. -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Dwight! On Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 7:05:33 AM you wrote: there are lots of work arounds. some are better than others. but the bottom line is that once the mail has been received, it belongs to the recipient, not the sender As I wrote in another message that is plainly wrong. Any written text belongs to its originator regardless of where the physical evidence is stored. You can, for instance, not publish a letter you received without the prior consent of the sender - as you cannot change the contents he made up. You can annotate it, but only in a way which shows that the annotated text is not by you and has not been changed by anyone else but the author (except he ave you the rights to do so). And that is exactly what is achieved by TB!'s Memo feature. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Respect Yourself. (Pops Staples) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello James! On Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 1:13:27 AM you wrote: It amazes me why many don't understand the need for it. If I had to guess, I'd have to say that many who don't see the need to edit the subject lines either don't carry on discussions or they simply do not use email for anything vital. Wrong. I do change occasionally the subject line *in conversation*. That is, I assign a meaningful/changed subject line to a reply. I am very particular when it comes to vital communication and *don't want anybody to change my mails* (this is for all of you that don't think international Copyright doesn't hold if authors don't expressly forbid to do anything). More often than that, I get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources at different times, date and time is essential to keep the original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. That shows you why at least some RFCs aren't that bad. And it shows that the list rules do make more sense than just cater to the egos of the moderators. I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I was just archiving. But good call just the same. What you actually should do - for archiving purposes - is to export the mails completely into a text file, make some clearly distinguishable annotations and save them. Within TB! you use the Memo feature which can help a lot. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Dwight Thank you for your email dated Saturday, September 28, 2002, 6:05:33 AM, in which you wrote: DAC but the bottom line is that once the mail has been received, it belongs to the DAC recipient, not the sender I'm being pedantic here but in English law a letter becomes the property of the recipient but copyright remains with the writer. The recipient is not entitled to 'copy' it. Applying this to email opens up a whole new can of worms. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wish list item
Hello Allie, IOW's, we have to meet the software half-way. I'm quite happy with the solution I've just mustered up. I've since created a common folder to which the imported message is saved. I then drag the altered message back to its original source folder. Of course this setup is for editing messages from different source folders across my accounts. However, if you have one folder from which you usually wish to edit these messages, it would be even less painless. I very seldom feel the need of editing an incoming message (subject or whatever). What I do then is Redirect the message which opens it in TB's editor, make the changes, put it in Outbox and then drag to original folder. This method changes date and time stamps though. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Dierk, Saturday, September 28, 2002, 8:35:40 AM, you wrote: DH Wrong. I do change occasionally the subject line *in conversation*. DH That is, I assign a meaningful/changed subject line to a reply. I am DH very particular when it comes to vital communication and *don't want DH anybody to change my mails* (this is for all of you that don't think DH international Copyright doesn't hold if authors don't expressly forbid DH to do anything). Sorry, I completely disagree with you on this. My understanding is that upon receipt of a letter, then the physical letter belongs to the recipient, but the copyright belongs to the author. This being the case,I do not see any problem in annotating the text or subject line of an E-mail. Because some people may be lazy or careless in their subject headings, this slackness should not penalise the recipient. -- Regards, Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jim! On Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 11:57:03 AM you wrote: Sorry, I completely disagree with you on this. No, you don't. This being the case,I do not see any problem in annotating the text or subject line of an E-mail. Because some people may be lazy or careless in their subject headings, this slackness should not penalise the recipient. This is nothing else than what I wrote: Annotating being the operative word here. It is something completely different from Changing or Altering. Your reply to me and mine to you are different messages than the original one. I cite your comments, upon which I comment anew, just for convenience (better to follow a discussion, honesty about the sender's intent etc.), I don't change them. With one exception, I cut them to the gist. If you or someone else thinks I did misinterpret and misrepresent you, you can say so and I have to give in on the latter part if you are right. What I cannot do is take your comments, adjust them as I like (even for private use!) and then either say it is mine or it is yours. What I can do, is write something that is clearly identified as a comment unto it (regardless if it is a letter in paper or an e-mail). And I again remind us of the Memo function which does exactly that and can be used in filtering for, i.e., archival purposes. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C In zweifelhaften Fällen entscheide man sich für das Richtige. (Karl Kraus) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
ON Friday, September 27, 2002, 11:40:11 PM, you wrote: DAC Your amazement is no reason to deprive those who would use it, the DAC ability to do it. If there was any reason which would make me consider DAC going back to Eudora, it would be the ability to make notes in DAC messages when I want to. (And keep as much archival type information DAC as I wish or need to keep - such as which day's message it is in tact) Hi Dwight, I always want to have the original email. The Bat allows attachement of memo's for the purpose of making remarks about the email. I don't want to deprive anyone to do anything, but one you sart using email programs that allow editing of the original you can not be sure of anything in your message base. As an example: You might not have heard this but they were searching for the first smily :-) on tape somewhere. I hope it wasn't written on an email program that allows editing of received emails because then we will never be sure :(| -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ^[:wq! Crap! Thought I was in vi. -- Steven Clarke Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
ON Saturday, September 28, 2002, 1:13:27 AM, you wrote: JS It amazes me why many don't understand the need for it. If I JS had to guess, I'd have to say that many who don't see the need JS to edit the subject lines either don't carry on discussions or JS they simply do not use email for anything vital. I just recieve about 3000 emails a day for my business. I just don't have time to edit the things. JS I receive a good deal of email much of which covers the same JS topics yet have various subject lines. More often than that, I JS get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing JS an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources JS at different times, date and time is essential to keep the JS original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. I subscribe to 2 discussion list, this being one of them. If I need to find anything a use the search tool. The discussions are not vital to me, it is more entertainment ;-) As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. JS I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I JS was just archiving. But good call just the same. I have my moments :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Save Water - Take a bath with your neighbor's daughter Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Dierk, Saturday, September 28, 2002, 11:21:50 AM, you wrote: DH What I cannot do is take your comments, adjust them as I like (even DH for private use!) and then either say it is mine or it is yours. What DH I can do, is write something that is clearly identified as a comment DH unto it (regardless if it is a letter in paper or an e-mail). I think we are at cross purposes here. My original intent was to have the subject line alterable to make the E-mail clearer without opening it, thus allowing for accurate filing and easier finds. I think we could agree this would be a useful item. Regarding altering E-mail content, I see your point and do have some sympathy with it. However, IMHO flexibility is everything and as previous Batters have mentioned, although there are work-arounds, it would be nice if the programme incorporated these into the main core of the software. Thanks for an interesting discussion -- Regards, Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hi Dierk. At 6:21 AM on Saturday, September 28, 2002 you [DH] wrote the following about 'Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)': DH This is nothing else than what I wrote: DH Annotating being the operative word DH here. It is something completely DH different from Changing or Altering. DH Your reply to me and mine to you are DH different messages than the original one. DH I cite your comments, upon which I DH comment anew, just for convenience DH (better to follow a discussion, honesty DH about the sender's intent etc.), I don't DH change them. With one exception, I cut DH them to the gist. Without commenting on the merits of your position one way or the other, it strikes me that you may be coming to this question from a very different POV that some of the others commenting on this thread. As a professional writer [if memory serves me] you are, have a right to be should be, very concerned with copyright ownership issues. The question is whether or not this applies to a list like this which I would liken to an intellectual cocktail party where there are a variety of conversations going on simultaneously by small clusters of individuals. Anyone publishing official works or quoting would/should identify them as such whether in conversation or in writing. But the subject line may not be inviolate as it is may not be considered content. Just some thought[s] on this lazy Sat morning. BTW, anyone who wants to change the subject of this post for archival purposes can do so AFAIC or annotate it to their heart's content. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Dierk, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 09:35:40 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:35:40 AM in NY, USA) Dierk Haasis wrote: Wrong. I do change occasionally the subject line *in conversation*. That is, I assign a meaningful/changed subject line to a reply. I am very particular when it comes to vital communication and *don't want anybody to change my mails* (this is for all of you that don't think international Copyright doesn't hold if authors don't expressly forbid to do anything). Ah yes, Copyright law...the great obstacle to progress. I won't get into that too much because I respect your intelligence and contribution to the Internet Community at large. And I realize I won't change your mind no matter how persuasive my argument. The bottom line from my end is that I have absolutely no intention of taking credit away from anyone, I simply want to organize their shared information in a way that better suits the way I work...keyword being work. More often than that, I get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources at different times, date and time is essential to keep the original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. That shows you why at least some RFCs aren't that bad. And it shows that the list rules do make more sense than just cater to the egos of the moderators. Indeed. But your response shows how much of the point you are missing. I'm not concerned with lists in this topic but rather ongoing business discussions. I realize this is going to make you and others upset but it needs to be said. The purpose of this wish is for business purposes or at least things vital to someone's purpose with email. Many people wishing to use TB for business came from Outlook. And of course they are used to some of the more practical features of Outlook...many of those that TB doesn't have. And while those rushing to the aid of TB can claim every high-brow artistic excuse they can muster, the fact remains that TB is missing many business type features. As such, it is very difficult to train (or even consider training) an office to do the things they need to do with TB that they did so easily with Outlook. This wish is just one of those features and admittedly not a major one. [bracing for flames] Outlook did have the option of marking any editing done by the recipient. I used this feature often. And if I am not mistaken, it also retained the original subject header but simply gave it some type of alias for organizational purposes. I may be mistaken but I seem to recall this as an annoyance because if I replied to a message who'd subject I edited (I filtered my replies to the same folders) I'd see my own message with the original subject soon thereafter. If any program has the ability to keep track of all edits, it's TB. It could insert edited by JTS in the message body, it could list the original subject and message id. There's simply no reason not to have this feature available. And I'd hate to see it's consideration blocked because someone fears the possibility of their email message being altered. I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I was just archiving. But good call just the same. What you actually should do - for archiving purposes - is to export the mails completely into a text file, make some clearly distinguishable annotations and save them. Within TB! you use the Memo feature which can help a lot. I do Dierk. And if I could only run a second copy of TB, I could import these back to that copy at will for searching. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Dierk, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 12:21:50 [GMT +0200] (which was 6:21:50 AM in NY, USA) Dierk Haasis wrote: What I cannot do is take your comments, adjust them as I like (even for private use!) and then either say it is mine or it is yours. What I can do, is write something that is clearly identified as a comment unto it (regardless if it is a letter in paper or an e-mail). Please? This is another issue entirely but you are mistaken. I'm surprised not to hear the 'evils' of redirecting messages..after all they should never be sent to anyone without the express written consent of the author, right? Please? And I again remind us of the Memo function which does exactly that and can be used in filtering for, i.e., archival purposes. Nice feature that appears to have been thrown in as an afterthought and never polishedgood intention, bad implementation. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hi James. At 9:50 AM on Saturday, September 28, 2002 you [JS] wrote the following about 'Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)': JS [...] There's simply no reason not to JS have this feature available. [/...] Sure there is. This is a different program the feature[s] you are talking about can be handled differently in TB!. If your group can't be retrained, must we conclude that The Bat! has to be changed to meet their requirements? I don't think so. After all, these requirements seemed to be based on their use of an email client that is apparently inferior unsatisfactory [to them] otherwise there wouldn't be any interest in switching to TB! in the first place. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 09:46:13 [GMT -0400] (which was 9:46:13 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: Without commenting on the merits of your position one way or the other, it strikes me that you may be coming to this question from a very different POV that some of the others commenting on this thread. As a professional writer [if memory serves me] you are, have a right to be should be, very concerned with copyright ownership issues. And a good one at that with a refreshing style. But no matter which angle you enter this fray from, copyright doesn't apply here. If you're talking about discussion lists, they are public; if you're talking about business e-mails, it's really only important that thoughts are organized and solutions are discovered. If you're concerned about people editing your email messages (and I have to giggle here) put a copyright statement on them and save your originals. If you're really, really concerned with copyright, it may help to dig into it some more and convince yourself that copyright is not assumed nor does the placement of a statement or symbol protect your words from 'theft' or alteration. Anyone publishing official works or quoting would/should identify them as such whether in conversation or in writing. But the subject line may not be inviolate as it is may not be considered content. Indeed. And while I feel Dierk's and others' feelings against this are just, the idea of assumed copyright on a subject header is laughable. BTW, anyone who wants to change the subject of this post for archival purposes can do so AFAIC or annotate it to their heart's content. I have a feeling Marck will change the subject any minute now. g -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 10:15:54 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:15:54 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: JS [...] There's simply no reason not to JS have this feature available. [/...] Sure there is. This is a different program the feature[s] you are talking about can be handled differently in TB!. Ok, badly stated...there is no reason I see that this feature shouldn't be considered. Better? If your group can't be retrained, must we conclude that The Bat! has to be changed to meet their requirements? Absolutely! That's what I am here for...and many others I am sure. Call it lobbying for your interests to be considered. I don't think so. Really? I don't buy that. I've seen you raise a good many argument for and against features based upon what you feel would serve email users better. After all, these requirements seemed to be based on their use of an email client that is apparently inferior unsatisfactory [to them] otherwise there wouldn't be any interest in switching to TB! in the first place. Have you ever come across an office or department you know would benefit from switching to TB only to hold that suggestion because of the learning curve involved. That's badly said too. TB doesn't have a steep learning curve. Rather, more popular software has a 'dumbing' effect. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hi James. At 10:45 AM on Saturday, September 28, 2002 you [JS] wrote the following about 'Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)': JS [...] There's simply no reason not to JS have this feature available. [/...] Sure there is. This is a different program the feature[s] you are talking about can be handled differently in TB!. JS Ok, badly stated...there is no reason I JS see that this feature shouldn't be JS considered. Better? Yes. If your group can't be retrained, must we conclude that The Bat! has to be changed to meet their requirements? JS Absolutely! [...] Call it lobbying for JS your interests to be considered. [...] JS I've seen you raise a good many argument JS for and against features based upon what JS you feel would serve email users better. A valid point but I think lobbying for something that already exists in a different form sort of belongs in the dept. of redundancy dept. JS Have you ever come across an office or JS department you know would benefit from JS switching to TB only to hold that JS suggestion because [...] popular software JS has a 'dumbing' effect. Sure but I don't think that's the point; at least that's not my point. My point is that if a suggested feature can't be accomplished in a given program, it should be placed on the wish list weighed against the other suggested features. But if, as in this case, I believe the program can already handle the stated need, then I don't think that the program should be dumbed down to facilitate its use. Dumbed down, like television network fare in the U.S. is a product that tries to please the lowest common denominator. I just don't buy this approach. In addition, I think there are other programs, Mailbag Assistant or Zoot for instance, that are far more able to categorize, archive gather emails on a specific subject than TB! Do I expect a Dept to learn all these programs? Of course not. That's why Outlook OE exist. TB! is always going to be a niche product -- hopefully a big enough niche to reward its developers -- and there is no reason, IMO, to turn it into something that its not. IMO, that's a basic problem with a lot of creative software. It just keeps adding more more stuff loses its basic value of efficiency like those other programs. Look, its only a matter of philosophy. I enjoy this sort of exercise but I agree w you that one of the moderators will probably jump in [ rightfully so] ask that this thread go elsewhere. Let's bag it before they tag us. Take care. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hi Jim! In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Saturday, September 28, 2002, 4:57:03 AM, you wrote: JL Saturday, September 28, 2002, 8:35:40 AM, you wrote: DH Wrong. I do change occasionally the subject line *in conversation*. DH That is, I assign a meaningful/changed subject line to a reply. I am DH very particular when it comes to vital communication and *don't want DH anybody to change my mails* (this is for all of you that don't think DH international Copyright doesn't hold if authors don't expressly forbid DH to do anything). JL Sorry, I completely disagree with you on this. My understanding is that upon JL receipt of a letter, then the physical letter belongs to the recipient, but the copyright JL belongs to the author. JL This being the case,I do not see any problem in annotating the text or subject JL line of an E-mail. Because some people may be lazy or careless in their JL subject headings, this slackness should not penalise the recipient. I would suggest that, for the purposes of this discussion, a received email is yours to do with what you want, up to the point where other people see it, at which point you are responsible for observing the implied copyrights of others. Messages are typically cut down, and that is standard practice, as long as when individual sentences are modified, such is indicated, and sentences should not be taken out of context except when done for their humor value. I don't consider the subject to be of any significance, unless the author started their letter up there or specifically mentions it (in which case, someone can edit the text later to correct this, if a new subject is needed) If RitLabs is concerned about modified messages going out, they can have a modified flag to indicate that such has been done, and a note can be appended to the bottom of the email. If the user then wishes to remove this note before hitting the Send button, that's the user's problem. RitLabs has made reasonable steps to protect the user from their own folly, and that's all that they need to or should be expected to do. In some cases, this may be desired, such as a secretary whose job is to make specific changes to the boss's prose before it goes out. IMO. -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 11:19:22 [GMT -0400] (which was 11:19:22 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: A valid point but I think lobbying for something that already exists in a different form sort of belongs in the dept. of redundancy dept. Redundancy? Redundancy? I'm starting to sway a bit here but not fully. Two different approaches to accomplish the same task is not necessarily a bad thing. I am trying as hard as I can to convince others that this is a useful feature that could be made easier if enough people found the 'need' for it. My point is that if a suggested feature can't be accomplished in a given program, it should be placed on the wish list weighed against the other suggested features. But if, as in this case, I believe the program can already handle the stated need, then I don't think that the program should be dumbed down to facilitate its use. If people have workaround in place to achieve such a thing then it only makes sense to consider it for hard coding. What was referring to as far as 'dumbing' is that the competing products in question make it impossible for one to look past a toggle button for options. That said, Outlook's implementation of the subject editing feature is not one of these features. It can be done but it's not 'easily' found. BTW, it wasn't handled very well either. But power users could certainly find it and administrators could easily set it into motion. Dumbed down, like television network fare in the U.S. is a product that tries to please the lowest common denominator. I just don't buy this approach. No, dumbed down is more of a containment thing...only let the people see what we want them to see...then that becomes their limited environment for life. In addition, I think there are other programs, Mailbag Assistant or Zoot for instance, that are far more able to categorize, archive gather emails on a specific subject than TB! Tried them both...and the worst excuse for an archival program I've ever seen...Express Archiver. What I'd like to use is MHonArc but have yet to find the time to put some work into it. TB! is always going to be a niche product -- hopefully a big enough niche to reward its developers -- and there is no reason, IMO, to turn it into something that its not. And perhaps it is my responsibility to set up what is needed to accomplish such tasks with TB more easily. My client has one copy of TB running per my suggestion. I'd really like the whole place to be using it. That's another topic I suppose. Let's bag it before they tag us. As long as I have the last word. I really want this feature and even more the ability to combine threads. Take care. Peace. Just don't diss our Country's TV anymore as some of us like our trash. g -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
On Saturday, September 28, 2002, 10:19:22 AM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: A valid point but I think lobbying for something that already exists in a different form sort of belongs in the dept. of redundancy dept. It doesn't exist. I cannot put the cursor on a message, type in a note, move the cursor to another spot and type another note, then save the message. If I use the memo function, I can't link the particular comment to the particular spot in the message. If I have to drag it around from folder to folder, then perhaps even resend it, well, pretty obviously, that isn't a practical and convenient way to do it. (paragraph intended to be tongue in cheek (to some extent), and tweek those who really hate the idea of HTML capability) In Outlook or Eudora, you could make the editing more obvious, so that that one wouldn't have to be so worried that it could become confusing what was changed for copyright or evidentiary purposes, if that is a legitimate concern, because you can change fonts, or use italics or colors, to distinguish the insertions. (end tongue in cheek, with comment that this is the one way that HTML capabilities of Eudora were useful) -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
On Saturday, September 28, 2002, 2:30:06 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote: As I wrote in another message that is plainly wrong. No, you are mixing content and the object. Any written text belongs to its originator regardless of where the physical evidence is stored. are you claiming you can come to my house, enter and take it back? You can, for instance, not publish a letter you received without the prior consent of the sender - as you cannot change the contents he made up. Unless it is fair usage, perhaps. Changing the content is not the reason I want to be able to edit e-mails, except when I am working with someone else in a collaborative manner, which I often do in my profession and on committees. I want to be able to combine received content and my own thoughts or additions of information. You can annotate it, but only in a way which shows that the annotated text is not by you and has not been changed by anyone else but the author (except he ave you the rights to do so). And that is exactly what is achieved by TB!'s Memo feature. No, the memo feature does not allow one to annotate. It allows one to link some information in another window. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wish list item
Hello Batters, How many Emails does one receive where the subject line content is: 1. Less than clear 2. Does not fully relate to the message content 3. Is the 3rd or 4th reiteration of replies There was a facility in Outlook 2000 where the subject line could be amended. This was a useful, especially if one receives faxes from companies like Efax, where the subject line says 2 page(s) eFax from 02075874158 . it also allows you to make subject line content relevant to your purpose. Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? -- Regards, Jim Lanyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Lanyon [JL] wrote:' JL Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? I currently adjust message subjects by dragging the message to one of my Outboxes, opening the message there, changing the subject and then dragging it back to it's original folder. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lGqOV8nrYCsHF+IRApV3AKDC2Co3wZRfDnMB/HNtrwrw4fiN0wCeOVqK O9Wy+jCa7cTtTT+cXWwbhWY= =m1fl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jim, I added this to the list several months ago with the added wish that threads also be configurable i.e. dragging a message from one thread to another and having it inherit it's new thread's subject. I don't think anyone understood what I was talking about. On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 13:23:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:23:50 AM in NY, USA) Jim Lanyon wrote: Hello Batters, How many Emails does one receive where the subject line content is: 1. Less than clear 2. Does not fully relate to the message content 3. Is the 3rd or 4th reiteration of replies There was a facility in Outlook 2000 where the subject line could be amended. This was a useful, especially if one receives faxes from companies like Efax, where the subject line says 2 page(s) eFax from 02075874158 . it also allows you to make subject line content relevant to your purpose. Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi James, bye... mark. +- time/date: 19:06:32/27.09.2002 | web: www.shakwave.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | funny private forum @ forum.shakwave.de ++ 2600 Windows XP 1.61 - Original message was / included - Your address: James Senick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your attachments: keine Your textsize: 1320 bytes Your time: Friday, September 27, 2002, 6:00:34 PM JS Hello Jim, JS I added this to the list several months ago with the added wish JS that threads also be configurable i.e. dragging a message from JS one thread to another and having it inherit it's new thread's JS subject. I don't think anyone understood what I was talking JS about. JS On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 13:23:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:23:50 JS AM in NY, USA) Jim Lanyon wrote: Hello Batters, How many Emails does one receive where the subject line content is: 1. Less than clear 2. Does not fully relate to the message content 3. Is the 3rd or 4th reiteration of replies There was a facility in Outlook 2000 where the subject line could be amended. This was a useful, especially if one receives faxes from companies like Efax, where the subject line says 2 page(s) eFax from 02075874158 . it also allows you to make subject line content relevant to your purpose. Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? - End of your original message - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello shakwave, Friday, September 27, 2002, 10:06:34 AM, you wrote: s Hi James, s bye... mark. You can simply drag the Email into the outbox folder-Then double click on it and it will open to allow you to EDIT any portion of the message_ Subject line and or Body. Close and then drag back into your inbox Folder.. BOB s +- time/date: 19:06:32/27.09.2002 s | web: www.shakwave.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] s | funny private forum @ forum.shakwave.de s ++ s 2600 Windows XP 1.61 s - Original message was / included - s Your address: James Senick [EMAIL PROTECTED] s Your attachments: keine s Your textsize: 1320 bytes s Your time: Friday, September 27, 2002, 6:00:34 PM JS Hello Jim, JS I added this to the list several months ago with the added wish JS that threads also be configurable i.e. dragging a message from JS one thread to another and having it inherit it's new thread's JS subject. I don't think anyone understood what I was talking JS about. JS On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 13:23:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:23:50 JS AM in NY, USA) Jim Lanyon wrote: Hello Batters, How many Emails does one receive where the subject line content is: 1. Less than clear 2. Does not fully relate to the message content 3. Is the 3rd or 4th reiteration of replies There was a facility in Outlook 2000 where the subject line could be amended. This was a useful, especially if one receives faxes from companies like Efax, where the subject line says 2 page(s) eFax from 02075874158 . it also allows you to make subject line content relevant to your purpose. Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? s - End of your original message - s s Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: s http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Best regards, brunsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello brunson, Friday, September 27, 2002, 6:18:27 PM, you wrote: s bye... mark. b You can simply drag the Email into the outbox folder-Then double b click on it and it will open to allow you to EDIT any portion of the b message_ Subject line and or Body. Close and then drag back into your b inbox Folder.. b BOB Thanks, for the tip... Jim Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello brunson, Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. But hey, I could just adjust my clock settings every time I do this ... VBG Seriously, if it is a useful feature (I feel so) there should be an added feature to cover it. Unfortunately, TB is built around too many workarounds as it is. On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 10:18:27 [GMT -0700] (which was 1:18:27 PM in NY, USA) brunson wrote: s bye... mark. You can simply drag the Email into the outbox folder-Then double click on it and it will open to allow you to EDIT any portion of the message_ Subject line and or Body. Close and then drag back into your inbox Folder.. BOB -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Another workaround is to build a forwarding template that includes the header information that you need/want and forward the message back to yourself with a new subject. I'm too lazy to do all that dragging editting. And with a mail server running on your system, the forwarding wouldn't even touch the net. Cheers Yall \\' Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
ON Friday, September 27, 2002, 7:48:58 PM, you wrote: JS Hello brunson, JS Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a JS solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you JS forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the JS edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. Hi James, It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. -- sig of Tony Miller Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wish list item
Hello Gerard, Friday, September 27, 2002, 2:24:03 PM, you wrote: G ON Friday, September 27, 2002, 7:48:58 PM, you wrote: JS Hello brunson, G It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is G worried about the time and date. G As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. The problem is that a lot of people don't put a good subject on an email and i would love to be able to fix some of them so i can find things easier. -- Best regards, alistsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Friday, September 27, 2002, 4:24:03 PM, Gerard wrote: It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. Your amazement is no reason to deprive those who would use it, the ability to do it. If there was any reason which would make me consider going back to Eudora, it would be the ability to make notes in messages when I want to. (And keep as much archival type information as I wish or need to keep - such as which day's message it is in tact) -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Dwight, On 27 Sep 2002 16:40:11 (my local time 14:40:11), Dwight A Corrin wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) If there was any reason which would make me consider going back to Eudora, it would be the ability to make notes in messages when I want to. (And keep as much archival type information as I wish or need to keep - such as which day's message it is in tact) Bat! allows you to make notes in the form of memo. When a message is highlighted in the message list, select View / Memo Auto-view. I find the memo so useful, I made the memo visible in the message list, and assigned a fast key for memo auto view. -- Regards, Anthony A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want to do. -- Murphy's Law on Computing Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Gerard, On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 23:24:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:24:03 PM in NY, USA) Gerard wrote: Hi James, It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. It amazes me why many don't understand the need for it. If I had to guess, I'd have to say that many who don't see the need to edit the subject lines either don't carry on discussions or they simply do not use email for anything vital. I receive a good deal of email much of which covers the same topics yet have various subject lines. More often than that, I get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources at different times, date and time is essential to keep the original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I was just archiving. But good call just the same. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], James Senick [JS] wrote:' JS Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a JS solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you JS forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the JS edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. You could create a manual filter that exports the message to a text file and create another filter that deletes the message and imports the altered message to the folder and marks it as read. You could keep a shortcut to the file to edit on your desktop. The effect at the end of all this is: You hit the shortcut to run the filter to export the message. You open the file on your desktop using the shortcut to it. Edit the subject as needed. You then go back to TB! and hit the shortcut to import the message, mark it as read and delete the original. This sounds so good that I think I'll go set this up now. :) - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lOszV8nrYCsHF+IRAmLoAKCeS/h+jTB6FHiaAixnLWtvkjKLdACdGahu nRerUevkEA13dbiW4JpIhUo= =1DuN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Allie Martin [AM] wrote:' AM You hit the shortcut to run the filter to export the message. AM You open the file on your desktop using the shortcut to it. Edit the AM subject as needed. I've encapsulated these steps into one action, i.e., the filter shortcut. I hit ctrl-alt-y and the exported message appears in front of me, opened with my default text editor for editing. Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 40'e' Actions: faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoHotKey,faoSaveUnix AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: C:\Software\TextPad\textpad.exe C:\tbmessedit\edit.txt ExtFile: C:\tbmessedit\edit.txt ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 49241 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter You'll need to edit the two lines 'ExtCmd' and 'ExtFile' to reflect what you need it to. ExtCmd is the external command that calls my external editor textpad. You could use NotePad instead. ExtFile is the path to the file TB! should export the message to. AM You then go back to TB! and hit the shortcut to import the message, AM mark it as read and delete the original. I used the TB! import command for this. Unfortunately an Account or account folder has to be defined when running this command. If you have to be editing messages in a single folder then you should be in business since you could set up the command to import the altered message to the same folder. Here's the filter to import the message. The filter is invoked using Ctrl-alt-I. BeginFilter Name: Import after editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 40'e' Actions: faExternal,faoRunDetached,faoWaitCompletion,faoHotKey AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: c:\tbmessedit\import.bat ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 49225 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter Again, you should alter ExtCmd to point to the bat file of your choice. The bat file is a text file containing the following single command: C:\Software\The Bat!\thebat.exe /IMPORTU=lists;UNIX;IN=C:\backup-cmds\edit.txt;READ lists - the target account name UNIX - denotes that the file being imported is of UNIX mailbox format. IN - denotes the location of the file to import. Read - sets the switch to mark the imported message as read. Hope this all helps. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lPVhV8nrYCsHF+IRAnwqAKDsOLOwRJlHQ3S0SX1G81/rrvwIowCfZOmu E05179is3F80ahUXwREHGog= =FetM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Allie, On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 18:35:16 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:35:16 PM in NY, USA) Allie C Martin wrote: This sounds so good that I think I'll go set this up now. :) And I'll save this message for when and if a moving threads option is ever available. If I had it, this is what I'd do: I'd use your shortcut and filter to edit the subject of the first message in this thread. Then after importing it back to my TBDUL folder, I'd drag the rest of the messages in this thread into a new one created by that exported/altered/imported message that started it all off. Except this time, the whole thread will be entitled Editable Subject instead of Wish List Item. Sure would be nice to just type over the subject though :) -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], James Senick [JS] wrote:' JS Sure would be nice to just type over the subject though :) 'It sure would be nice ..' never ends. :) It would sure be nice to change the subject of an entire thread, wouldn't it? :) tongue in cheek IOW's, we have to meet the software half-way. I'm quite happy with the solution I've just mustered up. I've since created a common folder to which the imported message is saved. I then drag the altered message back to its original source folder. Of course this setup is for editing messages from different source folders across my accounts. However, if you have one folder from which you usually wish to edit these messages, it would be even less painless. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lPlhV8nrYCsHF+IRAn2RAKCjxSMUGGprcgr6KZKCIKwC2ljzMQCgvfsz wNBAZWqet4W8lwz158mSJpQ= =lMdr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
W I'm too lazy to do all that dragging editting. And with a mail W server running on your system, the forwarding wouldn't even touch the W net. and with local delivery enabled, you don't even need the local mail server -- Ricardo M. Reyes | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Mar del Plata - Argentina) | Usando The Bat! 1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
On Friday, September 27, 2002, 5:44:31 PM, Anthony Xin Chen wrote: Bat! allows you to make notes in the form of memo. there are lots of work arounds. some are better than others. but the bottom line is that once the mail has been received, it belongs to the recipient, not the sender, and if s/he wants to make notes in the body of the text, or give it a more useful subject line, s/he should be able to edit it, not have to be trying to match up with a memo, or pasting things into smart bat. I'm on lots of lists where people use clients which don't thread by reference worth a damn, and I should be able to patch up threads if I need to as well. Those capabilities should exist, and one shouldn't need to be searching for work arounds, or being told that someone else thinks it's immoral to make those changes so it's a good thing you can't. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi John, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:36:34 +GMT (14/01/2000, 10:36 +0800GMT), John Sullivan wrote: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I JS was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I JS knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not JS to a list. Any other combination is possible. Somebody was surprised when I said I keep all the message to and from a certain person in a person-specific folder, instead of keeping received, replied and sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list item?: find original message
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:33:41 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:33:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hi John, Thomas On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:36:34 +GMT (14/01/2000, 10:36 +0800GMT), Thomas John Sullivan wrote: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I JS was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I JS knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not JS to a list. Any other combination is possible. Thomas Somebody was surprised when I said I keep all the message to and from Thomas a certain person in a person-specific folder, instead of keeping Thomas received, replied and sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) I do same but only from/to people where a lot of mail goes between us. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi Thomas, On 14 January 2000 at 19:33:41 GMT +0800 (which was 11:33 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the JS message I was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages JS folder, and I knew it was in response to a message in my Sent JS folder, which was not to a list. Any other combination is JS possible. TF Somebody was surprised Not I ;-) TF when I said I keep all the message to and from a certain person in TF a person-specific folder, instead of keeping received, replied and TF sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize tightly. Project/person/list specific folders with all received/sent messages automatically filtered into place ensures that complete conversation threads are *exactly* where I need to see them without having to go searching for this/that/the other reply. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list item?: find original message
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:08:34 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 9:08:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize tightly. Marck Project/person/list specific folders with all received/sent messages Marck automatically filtered into place ensures that complete conversation Marck threads are *exactly* where I need to see them without having to go Marck searching for this/that/the other reply. Marck, do you have all those messages in the Bat in their active folders or are part of them archived. I just wonder how long it takes to open the BAT. With an amount of mail like this you need some partial archiving method so how do you handle that? Marck Cheers, Marck Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi tracer, On 14 January 2000 at 23:26:57 GMT +0700 (which was 16:26 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Marck Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize Marck tightly. t Marck, do you have all those messages in the Bat in their active t folders or are part of them archived. I try to keep each folder to 2k messages each. When one exceeds that, I create a sub-folder named "To dd-mm-" in a sub-folder "Archive" and move the messages there and start over. Unless I do that, it takes an age to click into a folder with 2k messages in. t I just wonder how long it takes to open the BAT. Well, as Steve Lamb once pointed out, TB opens quite fast .. 5 seconds. The message counting and indexing is done as a concurrent task which I just about ignore (because the rest of TB is up and running and fully usable) but, even then, it all takes only about 20-25 seconds max. t With an amount of mail like this you need some partial archiving t method so how do you handle that? Manually. :-) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi John, On 14 January 2000 at 01:21:34 GMT + (which was 01:21 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JS What I'd *really* like to be able to do, is from a message I have JS in some folder somewhere (which does have valid In-Reply-To: and JS References: headers), automatically find the message which it is JS itself a reply to. I *can* see the need... but JS (I believe that at the moment the fastest way of achieving this is JS ... [snip] ... the quickest way of finding such a message given the above stipulations about "In-Reply-To" etc. (provided that it resides in the same folder) is to press Alt-1 - thread by reference. Of course, if it's in another folder, then ... back to square one ;-) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
On Friday 14 January 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ... the quickest way of finding such a message given the above stipulations about "In-Reply-To" etc. (provided that it resides in the same folder) is to press Alt-1 - thread by reference. Of course, if it's in another folder, then ... back to square one ;-) The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not to a list. Any other combination is possible. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
