Re: Sorting Filters

[Curtis]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:53:45 -0500, Curtis wrote:

C> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:24:38 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

JA>>> The only thing I would add is to add a filter string 'Re:' in an AND
JA>>> relationship to distinguish new messages from replies.

NA>> Yes, that is correct. You already suggested that, and wrongly told you
NA>> that I had tried that, but was unsuccessful. I lied. :o( 

C> None of my replied filters use a Re string to differentiate
C> replied messages from others. TB! can already differentiate which
C> messages have been replied to and which have not been.

    Oh, and another thing, you could use read filters to achieve the
same effect but it is then that you'd need to add the 'Re:' in and AND
relationship to distinguish read from replied messages.

Take for instance, to demonstrate my point, I set up a replied
filter for the Opera user list messages as shown at:

www.geocities.com/acmartin.geo/filter.jpg

Of 338 messages, only 15 were filtered as shown at:

www.geocities.com/acmartin.geo/window.png

Note that only 'replied to' messages were filtered and there's
no 'Re:' subject string added in the replied filters setup on.

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Re: Sorting Filters

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Curtis,


On  Sunday, July 23, 2000  at  19:20:32 GMT -0500 (which was 5:20 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

JA>> The only thing I would add is to add a filter string 'Re:' in an AND
JA>> relationship to distinguish new messages from replies.

> You don't need to do that for it to work. TB! knows which
> messages are replied to in the same way it knows that they should be
> flagged as replied.

   We're just talking about the Outgoing mail filter.  For the Replied
filter set, the rest is irrelevant and probably undesirable.

   Say I want all messages that I send *in reply to* TBUDL filtered to
TBReplied. I would want to distinguish *new* messages and replies. To
do this, we would need one extra string.  That way this message would
get filtered, but not a new query that I send to the list.



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Re: Sorting Filters

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Nick,

Set the Filter strings to:
Strings LocationPresence
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Recipient   Yes
Re: Subject Yes

(Note: You add AND strings by clicking on the Add button on the
   rule page)


 


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Re: Sorting Filters

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, July 23, 2000, 6:28:03 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> Set the Filter strings to:
JA> Strings LocationPresence
JA> [EMAIL PROTECTED]Recipient   Yes
JA> Re: Subject Yes

JA> (Note: You add AND strings by clicking on the Add button on the
JA>rule page)

Yes, that is how I had it set up, and it works, but as Allie pointed
out, putting the "Re:" under "Subject" is redundant... because TB! can
already distinguish a reply. So, based on his recommendations, I removed
the AND rule as an experiment, and the Filter worked as he said it
would. :o)


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Re: Sorting Filters

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Nick,


On  Sunday, July 23, 2000  at  18:55:27 GMT -0700 (which was 6:55 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> On Sunday, July 23, 2000, 6:28:03 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA>> Set the Filter strings to:
JA>> Strings LocationPresence
JA>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]Recipient   Yes
JA>> Re: Subject Yes

JA>> (Note: You add AND strings by clicking on the Add button on the
JA>>rule page)

> Yes, that is how I had it set up, and it works, but as Allie pointed
> out, putting the "Re:" under "Subject" is redundant... because TB! can
> already distinguish a reply. So, based on his recommendations, I removed
> the AND rule as an experiment, and the Filter worked as he said it
> would. :o)

 Hey, if it works, great.  But does it put *ALL* messages that you
 send into your Reply folder?


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Re: Sorting Filters

[Nick Andriash]

On Sunday, July 23, 2000, 5:05:33 PM, Curtis wrote:

C> In that case create two filters:

C> a) Create an outgoing filter who's source folder is the outbox and
C> destination folder, 'TBUDL Replies'. For the filter string you may use
C> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and set the location to 'recipient' and the
C> presence to "yes". This will move all of *your* replies to the TBUDL
C> Replies folder.

Works beautifully...

C> b) Create another filter, this time a replied filter using the same
C> string as the outgoing filter above, but set the source folder to you're
C> TBUDL folder and the destination folder to 'TBUDL Replies'. This filter
C> will move any message to which you reply, to the TBUDL replies folder.
C> You could even colour code them for distinction from your replies.

This also works well, but there is a step there I wish I could avoid. I
really don't want to _move_ the message I am replying to, but rather
_copy_ that message to my Replies Folder. In that manner, it leaves the
thread intact in the main TBUDL Folder. To accommodate that, I have to
add an Action to my Replied Messages Filter to copy the message _back_
into my main TBUDL Folder. In the end however, everything works as I
want... I have a separate Replies Folder that has not only the message I
replied to, but also the actual reply itself, and the thread is left
intact in the main Folder. I just wish I didn't have the extra step of
moving a message out, then having to copy it back in... do you see what
I mean?

There seems to be some redundancy in this technique, because I'm left
with copies of messages in both my main TBUDL Folder and in my TBUDL
Replies Folder. However, this new filtering technique now provides me
with a means to organize my replied messages, and keep them in their
respective Folders, instead of having them clumped all together in my
Sent Folder. :o)

Thank you to both you and Januk for showing patience in helping me out.


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Re: Sorting Filters

[Curtis]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:00:03 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

>> Yes, that is how I had it set up, and it works, but as Allie pointed
>> out, putting the "Re:" under "Subject" is redundant... because TB! can
>> already distinguish a reply. So, based on his recommendations, I removed
>> the AND rule as an experiment, and the Filter worked as he said it
>> would. :o)

JA>  Hey, if it works, great.  But does it put *ALL* messages that you
JA>  send into your Reply folder?

Yes it will. I see what Januk is referring to now. Nick, he's
correct! For the *outgoing* message filter to filter only messages that
are replies, you will have to add the additional "Re:" subject header
string. In this way, any messages that you post to the list which are
not replies will not end up in your reply messages folder.

However, the *replied* messages filter will only manipulate
messages that have been replied to so you don't have to add the "Re"
subject string in that case in order to automatically copy across the
list messages to which you have replied.

My apologies for creating any confusion. :-(

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Re: Sorting Filters

[Steve Lamb]

Sunday, July 23, 2000, 10:24:59 PM, phil wrote:
> There's always a way to do anything with logic.

Justify Windows?

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Re: Sorting Filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Steve,

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:34:29 -0700GMT (24/07/2000, 13:34 +0800GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:

>> There's always a way to do anything with logic.

SL> Justify Windows?

Yes. Somewhere on either this or the beta list, someone said that the
government needs people to widely use insecure software, and it must
be somewhat instable as otherwise the backdoors - which the snoopers
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"make identity" filters

[Luca]

Since I don't organize my folders on a per account basis, I'm
wondering if there's a way to keep track of which of my accounts a
certain message has been received by, even if it has moved into a
folder in another account.

That's to say, when I reply or forward a message that is archived,
let's say, in a folder of myaccount#1, how to automatically perform
such an action:

if to: or cc: field in this message contain myaccount#2 address
   then reply with a message whose active account is myaccount#2

Hope it's clear.

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multiple Kill Filters?

[Don Mulvihill]

Hi there,
  do I need to make a 'new' kill filter for each word I want to
filter?  Or is there a way to put multiple words in the Signal Strings
area of a single kill filter.  I've tried this, but it didn't work, so
I'm wondering if it's possible at all, and that perhaps I was just
missing some necessary syntax.

I'd like to create a single kill filter, say, "Junk", and put words like; viagra, $,
mortgage, hot, loans, debt, etc.

TIA
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junk mail filters

[Rainfall]

Hello TBUDL,

  What is the best way to implement a junk mail filter?

  Is it possible to move all incoming messages where the sender is in
  my address book to a folder like "known senders"?

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Re[2]: Filters

[Doug Weller]

Hello Marck,

Sunday, November 19, 2000, 2:58:25 PM, you wrote:


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Marck D. Pearlstone> Hi Doug,

Marck D. Pearlstone> On 19 November 2000 at 13:21:36 + (which was 13:21 where I
Marck D. Pearlstone> live) Doug Weller wrote and made these points:

DW>>   I'm getting to grip with filters, but can someone please tell me how
DW>>   I make a filter for TBUDL?

Marck D. Pearlstone> I  use  "Reply-To:  TBUDL"  in  Kludges. This will distinguish 
between
Marck D. Pearlstone> different  copies  of  messages  when filtering a cross-posting. 
Say a
Marck D. Pearlstone> message  is  posted  to TBUDL, TBBETA and TBOT and you have a 
separate
Marck D. Pearlstone> folder  for each then, by filtering on "Reply-To: " each 
different
Marck D. Pearlstone> message  ends  up  in  the correct folder. Just filtering by 
recipient
Marck D. Pearlstone> means  that  the  first  filter  will  hit  on all three copies 
of the
Marck D. Pearlstone> message (To:, CC: ... they're all "recipients") so all three end 
up in
Marck D. Pearlstone> one folder.

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Marck D. Pearlstone>  
Marck D. Pearlstone> [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA  ]
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Marck D. Pearlstone> I  use  "Reply-To:  TBUDL"  in  Kludges

Thanks. I see what you mean now.  Filtering is pretty sophisticated,
although as I said when first creating a simple filter Reply:To would
be a nice option as I usually use it!

Now to figure out how I can filter to just change the colour of a
message!

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Re[2]: Filters

[Doug Weller]

Hello Nick,

Sunday, November 19, 2000, 9:35:33 PM, you wrote:


Nick Andriash> Doug, do you think you can shorten your quote prefix? It makes it very
Nick Andriash> difficult to read your messages when you use almost 25% of your 
available
Nick Andriash> sentence length, just for the quote prefix.

Yes. Don't know why that happens, must get to grip with what The Bat
is doing with quotes, which I'm finding strange.  Eg, why is it
putting this line with your name in it below?

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Re[2]: Filters

[Doug Weller]

Hello JM14,

Thanks Jerry.

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Re[2]: Filters

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Brian,

   On Sunday, November 19, 2000 @ 20:00:19 -0500, you wrote the
   following about "Filters"
  

Brian> [...] I've tried setting up a filter to highlight any e-mail
Brian> sent by me navy blue. [...]

   I have a filter that seems to work:

   Rule
   source folder = Inbox, move to Inbox
   String = [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my subscription id)
   Location = sender
   Present = yes
   Rule = Active

   Actions
   Mark msg read
   Set msg's color group to "jan's color"

   Options
   Continue processing with other filters

   I also color code spam & move it to a separate folder


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Re: Filters - rearranging

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Joe,

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:53:30 -0400GMT (14-9-2004, 20:53 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

J> I some noce filters build. I have to make some changes to them for
J> various reasons. The one change is just to insert an AND in the
J> mix. It seems I can only append. I can't insert or rearrange. Am I
J> missing something. Most filters have "Move Up" and "Move Down"
J> buttons.

You can place your filter at your preferred position by selecting the
filter and move it with Crtl-Up or Ctrl-Down

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Re: Filters - rearranging

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Joe,

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:33:45 -0400GMT (14-9-2004, 22:33 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

J> I want to rearrange the filter itself. For example: I have a filter
J> that has a block. In that block is an AND and an OR. I want to move
J> the OR up before the block and maybe insert another OR. I have to
J> delete the whole filter and start over. I can't insert, only
J> append. Am I missing something?

AFAIK that's what you've got, yes. TB's filter editing system isn't
really suited to do the kind of extensive overhaul that you'd like.

In all honesty I have to say that I can imagine why. In most of the
filters it won't matter when you'd drag the conditions up and down, so
it would be (a lot of) work for hardly any profit.

However you could simplify your filters by using subfilters and you'd
have some more possibilities for dragging them up and down. I'm using
a couple of them, but YMMV.

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Re: Message Filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mean,

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:45:09 +0530 GMT (23/09/2004, 02:15 +0700 GMT),
Mean Drake wrote:

MD> Selective download filter.
MD> Condition: Message size greater than 800KB
MD> Action Kill.

I have one of those, with a limit of 50KB. Works fine.

MD> Still doesn't work. I am an a mailing list where people keep sending
MD> attachments of over 3-5 MB and I need to delete these on server so
MD> they don't get downloaded. Am I doing something wrong?

Which TB version are you  using?

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Re: Message Filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mean,

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:44:03 +0530 GMT (24/09/2004, 01:14 +0700 GMT),
Mean Drake wrote:

>> Which TB version are you  using?

MD> Version 3.0

Sorry, ignore my comments. Maybe someone else can help out.

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BayesIT! and filters

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Hi,

I get some pretty rude email spam.  I have setup a filter to delete
from the server anything with certain words in the subject.  Many of
these still get processed by BayesIT! and not deleted from the server.

I am using a series of OR statements in the filter, and it looks like
the ones that get through have more than one of my special words.

So, how can I make a filter that will delete from the serve any email
that has one or more of these ten special words?

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Cool filters thread

[Matt Thoene]

Hello everyone...

I know that Marck keeps a great library of templates, macros, and some
filters...but I think there may be some other very cool filters out
there that are not on his site. I feel like I'm not taking full
advantage of how powerful the filtering is with TB.

I'd like this to be a "reply with your coolest filter" thread. I'd
start it, but the last thing mine are is cool...boring comes to mind
really...

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Re: Changing filters

[Chris]

Thomas Fernandez @ 2005-Apr-7 10:26:30 AM
"Changing filters" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> But my new idea is to use the country folders in the main account as
> an archive, while having the current messages (30 days or so) in the
> department folders. Thus, I need to copy to the country folders
> instead of moving. All I need to do is choose "Copy" instead of
> "Move" when I change the filters from account filters in the main
> account to be common filters.

> Is there an easy way to change the filters from "Move" to "Copy", or
> would I have to open and go through all of them?

It seems like Virtual Folders may be a good solution for you. They
basically are the results of a constantly updated search query stored
in a folder for easy access.

> Another question: If I choose "Mark as read" will that apply to both
> copies?

If you preform a true copy, no. If you use Virtual Folders, yes.

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Re: Changing filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Chris,

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:50:50 -0400 GMT (08/04/2005, 07:50 +0700 GMT),
Chris wrote:

>> Is there an easy way to change the filters from "Move" to "Copy", or
>> would I have to open and go through all of them?

C> It seems like Virtual Folders may be a good solution for you. They
C> basically are the results of a constantly updated search query stored
C> in a folder for easy access.

With over 100,000 messages in over 100 folders, I would think that the
constant update will use a lot of resources. I'd rather not go down
that lane.

>> Another question: If I choose "Mark as read" will that apply to both
>> copies?

C> If you preform a true copy, no.

So, if I have a filter that first copies a mail and then marks it as
read, how would TB know whether I want the original or the copy to be
marked read? I'm a little bit confused about the (new) filtering
system here, as it does not lose the reference to the object when
moving: what happens when copying? There are suddenly two objects.

I also think of changing the filters from being Incoming filters to
being Read filters. I hope this will work with a massive C&P in the
Sorting Office. Has anybody ever done this?

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Re: Changing filters

[Chris]

Thomas Fernandez @ 2005-Apr-7 9:50:50 PM
"Changing filters" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> It seems like Virtual Folders may be a good solution for you. They
>> basically are the results of a constantly updated search query
>> stored in a folder for easy access.

> With over 100,000 messages in over 100 folders, I would think that
> the constant update will use a lot of resources. I'd rather not go
> down that lane.

You can disable Auto Update on Virtual Folders and update them
manually by pressing Esc.

>>> Another question: If I choose "Mark as read" will that apply to
>>> both copies?

>> If you preform a true copy, no.

> So, if I have a filter that first copies a mail and then marks it as
> read, how would TB know whether I want the original or the copy to
> be marked read? I'm a little bit confused about the (new) filtering
> system here, as it does not lose the reference to the object when
> moving: what happens when copying? There are suddenly two objects.

Mark as read will mark the original message as read because that is
the message that is being processed.

The problem I see with performing a copy is you now effective have two
separate message bases to worry about. With Virtual Folders you only
have one. In my experience, Virtual Folders have preformed reasonable
well when I am not using an IMAP account.
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Re: Changing filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Chris,

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:47:38 -0400 GMT (08/04/2005, 10:47 +0700 GMT),
Chris wrote:

C> Mark as read will mark the original message as read because that is
C> the message that is being processed.

It also marks the copy as read. I tried it today.

I found a way around: Instead of using Incoming filters, I use Read
filters. This way, the message stays in the original account until I
open it, and then it will be copied to the archive folder. Perfect!

(Except that I do indeed have to manually move each single filter, but
that is a one-time effort.)

One drawback I still have to think about:

All messages sent a being automatically BCC'ed to the sender address.
This is advantageous, because I need only Incoming/Read filters and
don't need to copy those as Outgoing filters.

Another common filter marks all messages sent by myself automatically
as Read, so I don't need to read my own messages again. However, this
means that the Read filters are not triggered, and the messages are
not copied to the archive folders. I'll advise when I come up with a
solution for that.

C> The problem I see with performing a copy is you now effective have two
C> separate message bases to worry about. With Virtual Folders you only
C> have one.

True, but have you tried that with a message base as large as mine?
Luckily, disk space is not an issue at the moment, and the current
folders will hold only 30 days' worth of messages, so they won't be
too large anyway.

C> In my experience, Virtual Folders have preformed reasonable well
C> when I am not using an IMAP account.

Strictly POP over here.

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Re: Changing filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:05:08 +0700 GMT (08/04/2005, 21:05 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> I found a way around: Instead of using Incoming filters, I use Read
TF> filters. This way, the message stays in the original account until I
TF> open it, and then it will be copied to the archive folder. Perfect!

Not perfect. Because I had to do some updating of the filters, namely
adding addresses to some. Turns out I now had to do that in two
places: The Incoming filters in the main/archive account, the Common
Read filters used by the other account.

The Read filters are deactivated now, and there is only one Common
filter in place. This copies each Incoming mail into the Inbox of the
main/archive account, marking the copy as read. I have to manually
refilter that Inbox now, but nevertheless, this is the best solution
solution so far. I need to maintain and update only the Incoming
filters in the main account.

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Re[2]: Filters

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Thomas,
Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 7:50:27 AM, you wrote:

TF> Where are you?

TF> I go to Account / Sorting Office. I go to Incoming Mail and I have a
TF> General tab, not a Rules tab. I do not have an Alternatives tab.

He  is  using  version  2.11.02 which uses the old filtering system. I
don't  remember  how  to use the old system and I don't have access to
an old copy.

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Re[2]: Filters

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Mica,

Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 9:38:04 AM, you wrote:

MM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MM> Hash: RIPEMD160

MM>***^\ ."_)~~
MM>  ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 25 Oct 2005,
MM>@  @  at 05:58:49 -0500, when Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> I can't seem to figure out how to get a single filter to route
>> incoming mail to individual folders based on the sender field.

MM> As for this part, I would use this...

MM> Rule -| Source folder: Inbox
MM> Move messages to folder: some "individual folder"
MM> Filtering strings -| Location: Kludges
MM>  Strings: [the "From" header]
MM>  Presence: Yes

Thank you Mica. I will try this.

MM> ...but as for this part down...

>> I have one name in the RULE tab under FILTERING STRINGS and the
>> remainder of the names in the ALTERNATIVES tab. The filter is in the
>> INCOMING MAIL folder.

MM> You might also try combination with addition of the remainder of the
MM> names not in the Alternatives tab, but right after the first name in the
MM> Rule tab.

I remember trying this a long time ago and it didn't work. It was (or
became) a thread to which someone replied suggesting using the
ALTERNATIVES tab.

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Re[2]: Filters

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Bill,

Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 11:46:01 AM, you wrote:


BM> On Tue, 2005-10-25, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> I can't seem to figure out how to get a single filter to route
>> incoming mail to individual folders based on the sender field. I have
>> one name in the RULE tab under FILTERING STRINGS and the remainder of
>> the names in the ALTERNATIVES tab. The filter is in the INCOMING MAIL
>> folder.

>> Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?

BM> Yes, you seem to be trying to get a single (complicated) filter to move
BM> messages to different folders based on sender!

I see that I have accidently mislead everyone by the content of my
original text. I used the words "individual folders" implying multiple
folder destinations when I should have said "a single folder" as a
destination.

Apologies.


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Re[3]: Filters

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Stuart,

Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 8:14:08 AM, you wrote:

SC> Hello Thomas,
SC> Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 7:50:27 AM, you wrote:

TF>> Where are you?

TF>> I go to Account / Sorting Office. I go to Incoming Mail and I have a
TF>> General tab, not a Rules tab. I do not have an Alternatives tab.

SC> He  is  using  version  2.11.02 which uses the old filtering system. I
SC> don't  remember  how  to use the old system and I don't have access to
SC> an old copy.

I am inferring from your reply that the later version of TB that
you're using has a different method of filtering. Would what I'm
trying to do be any easier with a later version of TB?

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Re[2]: Filters

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Roelof,

Thursday, October 27, 2005, 6:11:10 AM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Jack,

RO> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:47:41 -0500GMT (26-10-2005, 12:47 +0200, where
RO> I live), you wrote:

JSL>> I see that I have accidently mislead everyone by the content of my
JSL>> original text. I used the words "individual folders" implying multiple
JSL>> folder destinations when I should have said "a single folder" as a
JSL>> destination.

RO> In that case, why don't you place all relevant contacts in one address
RO> book (AB) group, set the condition of the filter to '@' in the sender
RO> and in the advanced tab you set the sender should be in the AB group
RO> you just created.
RO> This makes it easy when one of said contacts changes his address, you
RO> don't have to change your filter, because you've done address
RO> maintenance in your AB.


My heartfelt thanks to all who have tried to help me with this
problem. I finally did what I should have done in the beginning,
namely 'if all else fails, read the instructions.' I was actually able
to find the solution by reading TB's HELP section on filters. I
learned that when using the ALTERNATIVES tab, each string, which
represents a different sender, must be in a 'set' alone because the
strings are ANDed when they are all in the same set. I created a
different 'set' for each sender and specified kuldges as the place for
the filter to look. The filter works just as I wanted.

Roelof, your suggestion looked considerably more elegant and I tried
to make it work but, alas, it wouldn't. I eliminated ALL the strings
and substituted for them just the @ sign. I then defined the AB
containing all the senders as a color group and specified this group
in the ADVANCED tab. I would have loved to have had this work because
of your observation that by simply maintaining the AB, I wouldn't ever
have to change the filter as senders came and went.

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Re[2]: Filters

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Roelof,

Friday, October 28, 2005, 3:57:01 AM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Jack,

RO> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:09:13 -0500GMT (28-10-2005, 4:09 +0200, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

JSL>> Roelof, your suggestion looked considerably more elegant and I tried
JSL>> to make it work but, alas, it wouldn't. I eliminated ALL the strings
JSL>> and substituted for them just the @ sign. I then defined the AB
JSL>> containing all the senders as a color group and specified this group
JSL>> in the ADVANCED tab. I would have loved to have had this work because
JSL>> of your observation that by simply maintaining the AB, I wouldn't ever
JSL>> have to change the filter as senders came and went.

RO> It should work when you've defined everything properly. I've been
RO> using filtering on AB groups since v1 and never in v2 it stopped
RO> working.
RO> But you're mentioning colour groups and I mentioned AB groups, those
RO> are different things, colour groups are assigned to messages and AB
RO> groups are assigned to addresses in your address book.
RO> Note that AB templates (yes, that's something else) get messed up when
RO> you're having multiple entries with the same address, the same could
RO> be valid for filtering on AB groups.

You're right of course. I went back and looked again at the filter,
specifically the ADVANCED tab and only then noticed there was a slider
bar on the right of the dialog box. Sliding the bar down exposes the
rest of the choices which includes specifying a particular AB. I
re-configured the filter as per your previous instructions and it
works perfectly.

Again, thank you.

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Re: Disappearing filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Marten,

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:56:09 +GMT (20-11-2005, 19:56 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

MG> Has anyone else experienced the mysterious case of the disappearing filters?

Not here.

MG> I.e: set up a series of filters that sort incoming and outgoing to 
different common folders
MG> and then next day (or some time later...(?)) discover they have disappeared?

I use neither common folders nor common filters, you didn't mention
whether your disappearing filters were common or account related.

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Filters in v3

[Chris]

Hi,

I'm having a problem with filters since upgrading to v3. In v2, I had x number 
of filters which stopped messages from being placed in my inbox, and moved them 
as they were received into certain folders. As the last filter (which I named 
'Spam'), I had a filter with nothing in it. What this did was that any messages 
not caught by any of the filters above it, was moved into the Spam folder, and 
deleted. This worked well in v2. Now, I've upgrade to v3, and what happens is 
that all my messages go straight to Spam and are deleted! The email messages 
are not seemingly being caught by the filters above the Spam rule, and I can't 
work out why. I haven't changed anything (folder structure etc) - only upgraded 
to v3. I thought it might have been the 'continue processing with other 
filters' option working differently in v3 than it did in v2, so to test, I 
unchecked it on the rule just above the Spam rule. Instead of sending messages 
to the Spam folder and deleting them, it now just sends them to the inbox 
instead. Can anyone give me some hints so I can try and work out why the 
filters don't seem to be working in v3?

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Re: Backup filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:11:52 +0100GMT (18-1-2006, 21:11 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

PF>  How do I back up my filters and move them to another location/Bat
PF>  installation?

PF>  Global Options? What _is_ this?

They're backupped either with account properties or global options in
the backup menu, but I think with account properties as they are
account specific.
I think that global options backups Options -> Preferences

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Re: Backup filters

[Peter Fjelsten]

Roelof,

On 18-01-2006 23:38, you [RO] wrote in
:
PF>>  How do I back up my filters and move them to another location/Bat
PF>>  installation?

PF>>  Global Options? What _is_ this?

RO> They're backupped either with account properties or global options in
RO> the backup menu, but I think with account properties as they are
RO> account specific.

OK.

RO> I think that global options backups Options -> Preferences

Ah.

Maybe I should just copy the actual filter files.

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Re: Sharing Filters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello David,

> Is there any way to share filters between accounts?

No.

> There are several filters which I want in all accounts but do I really
> have to create these in each account?

No, create them in one. Then copy (Ctrl+C) the filter, open the
Sorting Office for the other account(s) and paste (Ctrl+V) it. You may
have to "adjust" the Source and Destination folder names if they are
not exactly the same.

Not a perfect solution but certainly much better than having to
re-create each one from scratch.

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Re: Sharing Filters

[Thomas F.]

Hello David,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:58:32 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 02:58 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS> Do you know where the Filters are stored?

In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

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Re: Sharing Filters

[Thomas F.]

Hello David,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:41:45 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 03:41 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS>>> Do you know where the Filters are stored?

TF>> In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

DTS> Thanks .. I had though I looked there 

DTS> Guess i will have to write an app to maintain these a little easier

I would be insterested in knowing what you intend to do. If you think
the filtering system is not very easy, it is a good time forofficial
suggestion, because the developers are "completely revamping the
filtering system" for v2. There are no news about what will be changed
though, but I hope a few of my suggestions will find their way into
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Re: Sharing Filters

[Thomas F.]

Hello David,

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:10:10 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 21:10 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS> Go into create filters and at that point i have to say if I am
DTS> creating and inni or outti.  It would seem to me that it should be
DTS> possible to define this in one place.  If I receive from or send to ..
DTS> put the mail here.

One of the suggestions I have made several times. ;-)

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Re: Sharing Filters

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, October 3, 2002, 4:10:10 PM, you wrote:

DTS> IN/OUT Filter Example:
DTS> I have an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I want to
DTS> have a folder for all correspondence to/from SpadeDetectiveAgency.com

Hi David,
 Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are receiving emails from the same
 person in different accounts, they are being sent using different email
 address that must have provided. You must have done that for a reason.

 Once you start sending all incoming mails into one Inbox, once you
 reply to any of them, TB! will use the email address belonging to the
 account were that "global" inbox is in. Changes are then you will reply
 with a different email address then the one originally used or you must
 have a fancy template that checks the email for the recipients email
 address and then uses that as a from address.
 Even if this would work, you could now have problems sending emails
 because you might be using an email address not that doesn't belong to
 the account you are using.

 Could this be fixed with a read filter?

 Anyway a lt of work because you sent the same person different email
 address. Does it happen a lot to you?

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Re: Export filters?

[Joseph N.]

   On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, syv wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

s> Is there a way to export the filters?

syv,

I'm not sure what is your ultimate intended use, so there may be other
ways to accomplish your objectives, but each filter can be copied and
then pasted into a text file. The lines from the text file can then be
copied and pasted into a new installation or account of TB!

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Re: Export filters?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo syv,

On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:42:22 -0700GMT (9-10-02, 16:42 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

s> Is there a way to export the filters?

Only the manual way: Ctrl-C Ctrl-V into a text-file
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Re: Export filters?

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 4:42:22 PM, you wrote:

s> Is there a way to export the filters?

Hi syv,

You can copy (ctrl-c) and Paste (Ctr-V) them.
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Re: Export filters?

[Adam]

Hello syv,

Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 2:14:59 PM, you wrote:

s> On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, Joseph N. wrote:

s> The purpose is to move some of the filters to the mail
s> server [mostly to filter spam] and to make sure I do not
s> miss some.

Hard to imagine a mail server running the Bat.

Try adding a standard signature delimiter 
to your reply template. That way TB strips the list footer
automatically when replying to your messages.

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Re[2]: Filters.

[Patrick G.]

Hello Chris,
   On Thursday, October 24, 2002, 3:52:32 PM, you wrote:

CW> I've got a few in there that I've now turned to manual.

CW> How do I trigger a bunch of filters together rather than running 1 at a
CW> time?


I think this is what you are looking for:

You can do this on a per folder basis by right clicking the folder
select Re-filter messages, select the appropriate rule sets and check
manual filter only.

HTH
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Re[2]: Filters.

[Patrick G.]

Hello Chris,
  On Thursday, October 24, 2002, 5:25:18 PM, you wrote:

PG>> You can do this on a per folder basis by right clicking the folder
PG>> select Re-filter messages, select the appropriate rule sets and check
PG>> manual filter only.

CW> Okay, what's the difference between adding addresses in the bottom of
CW> the 'Rule' tab in filters compared to adding addresses in
CW> 'Alternatives'?

My understanding of this is adding under filter sets under the rules
tab treats them as boolean 'AND' where the alternatives tab is
treated as 'OR'

CW> I've added a host of names into the alternative and when i manually run
CW> the filter, nothing happens?

CW> Maybe I'll try adding all the names in the 'Rules' tab? Would this solve
CW> the problem?

Upon re-reading: does adding all the names mean they are in a single
entry? or one name per entry?

CW> Also, how do I add separate sounds to TB! related mails and a different
CW> sound for anything that stays in my Inbox? At the moment I get a sound
CW> for mails for TB! which is followed by the sound for new mail. I want it
CW> to work separately.

Can't help here as I have sounds disabled - too many emails ;)
I know this was recently discussed, perhaps there is something in the
archives or one our fellow 'batters' could post a reference to the
thread.

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Recovering deleted filters

[Carter Thomas]

HI! 

tbudl:

I accidently deleted a set of office filters for sorting incoming
mail. (I thought I was deleting just one rule but ended up deleting
the entire set.)

Is there anyway to recover the deleted set? (I had about 40+ spam
filters in there and I don't really want to recreate them from
scratch.)

Thanks for any help you can offer.

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Re: Bayesian Filters

[Peter Fjelsten]

Ron,

On 16-12-2002 13:08, you [R] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
R> I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which
R> apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is
R> anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be
R> appreciated.

Check the archives (see the footer of each e-mail). There has just been
a thread.

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Re: Bayesian Filters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ron,

> I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which apparently learn
> to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is anyone using such a filter with
> TheBat!? Any advice will be appreciated.

See a thread with Subject: "[SOT] The best filter for SPAM" started
yesterday with my <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sorting Office/Filters

[Raf Hofmans]

Hello,

I've just switched to 'The Bat!', and am still exploring all the
functions and features of this program.

I have a simple question about the 'Sorting Office' (Account > Sorting
Office/Filters):

Is it possible to apply a newly created 'Sorting Rule' to the messages
that are *currently* in the Inbox? This is possible in Outlook Expr,
but I can't find a similar function in 'The Bat!'. Can someone help me
out?

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Re: Transferring filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo John,

On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:45:25 +1100GMT (19-1-03, 10:45 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

JP> Is there any way of simply transferring all my existing filters to
JP> this third isp from my other two accounts?

First you select the account with the most filters. ;-)
Close TB
Copy the file account.srx from the old account to the new account
Start TB
You'll see that the new account has the same filters as the old one
Now you go to the sorting office of the other account
Start an instance of a text editor (notepad, SmartBat, whatever)
Select a filter, press Ctrl-C (not the copy-button, that's something else)
Paste the selected filter into your text editor
Do this for every filter you'd like to copy
When you're done, select all filters in your text editor
Copy them and paste them into the sorting office of the new account
(This has to be done separately for incoming, outgoing, etc filters)

Unfortunately the exporting can only be done one filter at the time,
but the importing can be done all at once. That's the reason to use a
text-editor as go-between, since it's easier to swap active windows
than to copy a filter, close the sorting office, select other account,
open sorting office, paste the filter, close sorting office, select
the previous account, open the sorting office, sigh.

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Re: Transferring filters

[John Phillips]

Hi Roelof,
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 15:04:55 [GMT +0100] (which was 01:04 where I
live) you wrote:


> First you select the account with the most filters. ;-)
> Close TB


etc.

Thanks for the help!

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Re[2]: filters

[greekdivers]

Hello Miguel,

Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 11:08:36 PM, you wrote:

MAU> Yes, try Selective Download filters.

It worked,thanks

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Allie Martin]

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Meyns [PM] wrote:'

PM> The first one works fine here, manually and automatically. The
PM> second one takes me to the SpamCop log in dialog. Albeit not too
PM> much of an effort to do it manually - I have my shortcuts for e-mail
PM> address and pwd - I'd like to submit my login name and password
PM> automatically along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a
cookie?

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Allie,

on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:09 -0500GMT (09.02.03, 14:39 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along
PM>> with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

AM> No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a
AM> cookie?

No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way:
http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having
tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05.
It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use
Mozilla for this task. :-)

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Peter,

on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:14:26 +0100GMT (09.02.03, 15:14 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>>> I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along
PM>>> with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

AM>> No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a
AM>> cookie?

PM> No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way:
PM> http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having
PM> tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05.
PM> It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use
PM> Mozilla for this task. :-)

Well, it works manually. But how do I get the filter to create such a
URL in spamcop.bat?

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Re: SpamCop filters

[~John]

I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the
outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from
Spamcop:
"SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing:
SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email:"

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~John

- - - Peter Meyns wrote - - -
> on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:09 -0500GMT (09.02.03, 14:39 +0100GMT here),
> you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>>> I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along
PM>>> with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

AM>> No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a
AM>> cookie?

> No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way:
> http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having
> tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05.
> It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use
> Mozilla for this task. :-)

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Re: SpamCop filters

[~John]

Is this how the reply template supposed to be setup?
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From:%OFromName <%OFromAddr>
To:  %OToName <%OToAddr>
Date:%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn
Subject: %OSubj
Files:   %Attachments
--===--
%Text
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
%QUOTES


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~John

- - - ~John wrote - - -
> I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the
> outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from
> Spamcop:
> "SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing:
> SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email:"

> --

> Best Regards,
> ~John

> - - - Peter Meyns wrote - - -
>> on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:09 -0500GMT (09.02.03, 14:39 +0100GMT here),
>> you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along
PM with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

AM>>> No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a
AM>>> cookie?

>> No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way:
>> http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having
>> tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05.
>> It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use
>> Mozilla for this task. :-)

> - - - End of Peter Meyns's message - - -


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Re: SpamCop filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi ~John,

@9-Feb-2003, 14:17 -0600 (20:17 UK time) ~John [j] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I have reformatted this message without the top posting because it
is harder to work out what's going on in a vacuum. Please see below
for a lecture on why it is preferable to *not* do that in this list.
In terms of list rules you've ended up with far too many untrimmed
quotes and not enough context.

To put it succinctly - this is how your conversation appears:

Terrible
> how does it smell?
>> My dog's got no nose.

Anyway - back to the topic:

PM> I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically
PM> along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

(I have a new method to solve this and will reply further up the
thread).

 ... 

>> I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the
>> outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from
>> Spamcop:
>> "SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing:
>> SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email:"

j> Is this how the reply template supposed to be setup?

 ... 

Your reply template has nothing to do with SpamCop submission, which
uses a custom template built into the manual, hotkey triggered
filter. If you have installed the filter correctly, it will format
the message correctly.

** Stock essay about top posting. **

Top posting means that you put the cursor at the top of a reply and
type everything you want to say there.

Top posted replies make messages harder to read than they should be.

When you are having a private conversation and you know what you're
saying to an individual top posting has a certain validity (I still
don't do it - I don't find it at all pleasant to read that way, but
this isn't about my personal preferences).

When you are in an environment where many readers and many topics
are present at once, you force everyone to read your reply text
(because it's at the top, it's seen first), think to themselves
"What's that about then?", scroll down to read the quotes for
context, think "Oh, I see... now I know what it's about, does that
change anything in what I read first?", and scroll back up to read
what you wrote in the light of improved context.

It's much easier for the writer, yes. But email should be designed
for the reader.

A reply works better broken down conversationally:
___
> Someone makes this point.. (snipped)

A reply is made with this response.

>> A point made two messages back (snipped)

> and this was said to make someone think

Which leads to this summary.
¯¯¯
Only contextually relevant text remains. It is easy to read and
follow the conversation without having to scroll up and down or
think too hard or read more than once.

Also, since the text is trimmed to the bare bones to facilitate the
conversation, there's no worry about excess or untrimmed quotes.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Peter,

@9-Feb-2003, 14:24 +0100 (13:24 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

PM> ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically
PM> along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

Yes - I just got this working:

BeginFilter
Name: SpamCop AutoResponder
Active: 1
Source: \\Marck\Inbox
Target: \\Marck\Trash
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00spamcop.net
MainSet: 20SpamCop has accepted
MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actions: faMarkRead,faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoWaitCompletion
ExtCmd: C:\temp\spamcop.bat
ExtFile: C:\temp\spamcop.bat
SaveTemplate: 
\22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A
EndFilter

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Re: SpamCop filters

[~John]

I don't know what in the world your talking about, type a little more
"down-to-earth" for me, just tell me "do this" or "don't do this"
As for the "SpamCop filter" forget it, I was looking back through some
past email's and agree with the argument that I would just be wasting
my time reporting spam to "spamcop"

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- - - Marck D Pearlstone wrote - - -
> @9-Feb-2003, 14:17 -0600 (20:17 UK time) ~John [j] in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

> I have reformatted this message without the top posting because it
> is harder to work out what's going on in a vacuum. Please see below
> for a lecture on why it is preferable to *not* do that in this list.
> In terms of list rules you've ended up with far too many untrimmed
> quotes and not enough context.

> To put it succinctly - this is how your conversation appears:

> Terrible
>> how does it smell?
>>> My dog's got no nose.

> Anyway - back to the topic:

PM>> I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically
PM>> along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

> (I have a new method to solve this and will reply further up the
> thread).

>  ... 

>>> I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the
>>> outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from
>>> Spamcop:
>>> "SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing:
>>> SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email:"

j>> Is this how the reply template supposed to be setup?

>  ... 

> Your reply template has nothing to do with SpamCop submission, which
> uses a custom template built into the manual, hotkey triggered
> filter. If you have installed the filter correctly, it will format
> the message correctly.

> ** Stock essay about top posting. **

> Top posting means that you put the cursor at the top of a reply and
> type everything you want to say there.

> Top posted replies make messages harder to read than they should be.

> When you are having a private conversation and you know what you're
> saying to an individual top posting has a certain validity (I still
> don't do it - I don't find it at all pleasant to read that way, but
> this isn't about my personal preferences).

> When you are in an environment where many readers and many topics
> are present at once, you force everyone to read your reply text
> (because it's at the top, it's seen first), think to themselves
> "What's that about then?", scroll down to read the quotes for
> context, think "Oh, I see... now I know what it's about, does that
> change anything in what I read first?", and scroll back up to read
> what you wrote in the light of improved context.

> It's much easier for the writer, yes. But email should be designed
> for the reader.

> A reply works better broken down conversationally:
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Re: SpamCop filters

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:49 PM, you wrote:

PM>> ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically
PM>> along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

MDP> Yes - I just got this working:

MDP> BeginFilter
MDP> Name: SpamCop AutoResponder
MDP> Active: 1
MDP> Source: \\Marck\Inbox
MDP> Target: \\Marck\Trash
MDP> CopyFolder: none
MDP> MainSet: 00spamcop.net
MDP> MainSet: 20SpamCop has accepted
MDP> MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MDP> Actions:
MDP> faMarkRead,faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoWaitCompletion
MDP> ExtCmd: C:\temp\spamcop.bat
MDP> ExtFile: C:\temp\spamcop.bat
MDP> SaveTemplate:
MDP> 
\22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A
MDP> EndFilter

how does this get my password??

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi ~John,

@9-Feb-2003, 14:51 -0600 (20:51 UK time) ~John [j] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

j> I don't know what in the world your talking about, type a little
j> more "down-to-earth" for me,

Okay. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you.

j> just tell me "do this"

Do this:

Quote *only* what's relevant.
Delete *everything* that isn't.
Put your responses within, not above, the quoted text - like I have.

That's the style used in this list. It's also a style that makes
conversational message threads a whole lot easier to follow.

j> or "don't do this"

Don't just hit reply and start typing.
Don't leave masses of irrelevant quoted text in the message.

j> As for the "SpamCop filter" forget it,

You asked the question about it... I thought you were looking for an
answer.

j> I was looking back through some past email's and agree with the
j> argument that I would just be wasting my time reporting spam to
j> "spamcop"

Nobody made that argument that I could see. They said that bouncing
mail was a waste of time. SpamCop makes life hard for spammers with
little effort from us. I don't consider it a waste of time.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Paul,

@9-Feb-2003, 17:18 -0500 (22:18 UK time) Paul Cartwright said:

> how does this get my password??

You have to edit *your* login and password in place of mine where it
says marck:password (of course "password" is not my real password
).

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Re: SpamCop filters

[~John]

- - - Marck D Pearlstone wrote, and ~John replied - - -

> Okay. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you.

Thanks!

> Quote *only* what's relevant.
> Delete *everything* that isn't.
> Put your responses within, not above, the quoted text - like I have.

Okay, I'll try, this is my first attempt.

> Nobody made that argument that I could see.

There was a message that I noticed when I was searching the archives
trying to figure out how to get the filter to work because of
incomplete instructions (no offense, its just you gurus think everyone
is as smart and as knowledgeable as you are.) And the person mentioned
that he had tried SpamPal, SpamCop, etc.. etc.. and come to realize
taht theBats filters was just as efficient.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, 7:08 PM, you wrote:

>> how does this get my password??

MDP> You have to edit *your* login and password in place of mine where it
MDP> says marck:password (of course "password" is not my real password
MDP> ).

 DUH !


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Re: SpamCop filters

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Marck,

on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:49:02 +GMT (09.02.03, 21:49 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP> Hash: SHA1

MDP> Hi Peter,

MDP> @9-Feb-2003, 14:24 +0100 (13:24 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in
MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

PM>> ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically
PM>> along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

MDP> Yes - I just got this working:

MDP> BeginFilter
MDP> ...
MDP> 
\22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A
MDP> EndFilter

Thanks a lot Marck! I'm just afraid it won't work completely for me as
my username is an e-mail address to be submitted with %40 instead of @
(myname%40domain.com:password). If I enter it like this, the % is
removed in the output. I understand the % has a certain function here,
so how do I make the filter actually display the % sign in the batch
file?

Too bad I cannot actually test the filter right now because SpamCop is
down for maintenance as they say...

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:27:28 +0100 GMT (10/02/03, 13:27 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

> Thanks a lot Marck! I'm just afraid it won't work completely for me as
> my username is an e-mail address to be submitted with %40 instead of @
> (myname%40domain.com:password). If I enter it like this, the % is
> removed in the output. I understand the % has a certain function here,
> so how do I make the filter actually display the % sign in the batch
> file?

Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40, you type
%%40. (I didn't try it.)

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Thomas,

@10-Feb-2003, 14:50 +0700 (07:50 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

TF> Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40,
TF> you type %%40. (I didn't try it.)

Precisely - this will work (I did try it).

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Thomas,

on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:50:24 +0700GMT (10.02.03, 08:50 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

TF> Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40, you type
TF> %%40. (I didn't try it.)

Thanks, but it doesn't work here. Another % leads to leaving out both
the % and the 4.

...name%40domain.com... is displayed in the browser's address line as
...name40domain.com...

...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com...

Strange...

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Peter,

@10-Feb-2003, 14:37 +0100 (13:37 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

TF>> Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40,
TF>> you type %%40. (I didn't try it.)

PM> Thanks, but it doesn't work here. Another % leads to leaving out
PM> both the % and the 4.

PM> ...name%40domain.com... is displayed in the browser's address
PM> line as ...name40domain.com...

PM> ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com...

PM> Strange...

Not necessarily. Could this be to do with batch files? %4 is the
fourth parameter passed to a batch file, isn't it? So, that would
mean you'd need to try 40 - this is getting silly! Try it
though, it may work.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello ~John,

> And the person mentioned that he had tried SpamPal, SpamCop, etc..
> etc.. and come to realize taht theBats filters was just as
> efficient.

That is for a different story. They were talking about _detecting_
spam while Marck's filters the thread is about is for _reporting_ spam
to Spamcop.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[~John]

- - - Miguel A. Urech wrote - - -
M> That is for a different story. They were talking about _detecting_
M> spam while Marck's filters the thread is about is for _reporting_ spam
M> to Spamcop.
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Re: SpamCop filters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello ~John,

>  I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam.

With all affection and respect to you: "There is no one blinder than
that who doesn't want to see" :)

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Re: SpamCop filters

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Hi Miguel,

@10-Feb-2003, 17:33 +0100 (16:33 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>>  I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam.

MAU> With all affection and respect to you: "There is no one blinder
MAU> than that who doesn't want to see" :)

... or to put it another way, the work SpamCop does is not in
stopping spam from reaching you but in making it hard for the folks
who made it reach you in the first place. They close open relays;
they get spam referred sites closed down; they get spammers ISPs in
trouble with their upstream providers - and much more stuff like
that.

Without SpamCop, I reckon we would be saddled with an exponential
amount *more* spam than we see. They complain to ISPs with a
stronger voice and a greater authority than a single individual can
muster by complaining to a single abuse@ email address. They have
tracking technology to analyze the real routing of the spam you
received and send complaints to all ISPs involved.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Marck,

on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:42 +GMT (10.02.03, 15:39 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com...

PM>> Strange...

MDP> Not necessarily. Could this be to do with batch files? %4 is the
MDP> fourth parameter passed to a batch file, isn't it? So, that would
MDP> mean you'd need to try 40 - this is getting silly! Try it
MDP> though, it may work.

I don't know much about batch files nor how they exactly work, but I was
sure there was no mystery involved. ;-) Your suggestion may look silly,
but it works! Thank you Marck! :)

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Re: SpamCop filters

[~John]

- - - Peter Meyns wrote - - -
P> on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:42 +GMT (10.02.03, 15:39 +0100GMT here),
P> you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>>> ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com...
Could someone give me some good instructions on how to setup the
"SpamCop" filter? I would like to try it, I was just upset because
there was no support with it. It was like everyone was saying your an
idiot because you can't set it up with the very vague instructions on
the FAQ page.

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Marck,

> ... or to put it another way, the work SpamCop does...


Thanks Marck, I couldn't have explained it better :-)

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Peter Meyns]

Hi ~John,

on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:16:53 -0600GMT (10.02.03, 19:16 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :


~> - - - Peter Meyns wrote - - -
P>> on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:42 +GMT (10.02.03, 15:39 +0100GMT here),
P>> you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>>>> ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com...
~> Could someone give me some good instructions on how to setup the
~> "SpamCop" filter? I would like to try it, I was just upset because
~> there was no support with it. It was like everyone was saying your an
~> idiot because you can't set it up with the very vague instructions on
~> the FAQ page.

First thing I'd like to say is, that you replied to my message instead
of starting a new thread. This isn't a good thing in various respects.

You may consider that many users of The Bat! (which you will find plenty
on TBUDL... ;-) ) use the feature of viewing messages sorted by thread.
So your message was here displayed as an answer to the message you hit
"reply" on (my message!), and I felt quite disappointed to see, that an
"answer" to my post wasn't an answer at all, but a new request. :-(

Next thing is, you might lose the users not interested in _my_ question.
I can't afford to read _all_ messages I receive on lists myself (and I'm
not interested in all topics) - I often use ++M to mark
the whole thread as read.

So your chances of a good reply are much better when you start a new
thread with a new message.

As for your question about the SpamCop filters, it's not difficult. Once
you have set up your account with www.spamcop.net you can use the
service easily with the filters from the FAQ. :-) (The automatic log-in
was a bit tricky, but we got it! :)) )

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Paul Cartwright]

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:49 PM, you wrote:

PM>> ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically
PM>> along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?

MDP> Yes - I just got this working:

MDP> 
\22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A
MDP> EndFilter

I just went to the FAQ page and noticed this line:

Then - there is what happens when the notification comes back from
SpamCop that the reports are ready to process. You can automate the
procedure with the following filter. You may need to change the launcher
(which refers to IE) if IE is not your default browser.


my default browser is now Mozilla... it says"you MAY need"... would it
not call up IE even if IE wasn't the default browser?


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Re: SpamCop filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:42:28 -0500 GMT (11/02/03, 02:42 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:

MDP>> 
\22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://[...]

> [...] You may need to change the launcher (which refers to IE) if IE
> is not your default browser.

> my default browser is now Mozilla... it says"you MAY need"... would it
> not call up IE even if IE wasn't the default browser?

Yes it would. What he meant is "You may want to change the launcher,
depending on your preferences." Assuming that the default browser is
your preferred browser. ;-)

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Paul Cartwright]

On Monday, February 10, 2003, 5:28 PM, you wrote:

MDP>>> 
\22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://[...]

>> [...] You may need to change the launcher (which refers to IE) if IE
>> is not your default browser.

>> my default browser is now Mozilla... it says"you MAY need"... would it
>> not call up IE even if IE wasn't the default browser?

TF> Yes it would. What he meant is "You may want to change the launcher,
TF> depending on your preferences." Assuming that the default browser is
TF> your preferred browser. ;-)


my default browser is Mozilla, but I have IE and opera installed. Opera
is fastest, but flakiest. I'd rather use Mozilla than IE, but I think
you need to have IE installed to do the wonderful windows updates. I
seem to recall it wouldn't work if you tried it with Mozilla..
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Re: SpamCop filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:45:41 -0500 GMT (11/02/03, 05:45 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:

TF>> Yes it would. What he meant is "You may want to change the launcher,
TF>> depending on your preferences." Assuming that the default browser is
TF>> your preferred browser. ;-)

> my default browser is Mozilla, but I have IE and opera installed. Opera
> is fastest, but flakiest. I'd rather use Mozilla than IE, but I think
> you need to have IE installed to do the wonderful windows updates. I
> seem to recall it wouldn't work if you tried it with Mozilla..

I would assume the SpamCop filter for TB works with any of these
browsers, but it makes sense that the Windows update works only with
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Re: SpamCop filters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello ~John,

>  I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam.

This is part of the full report I got for one of the last spam I
submitted to Spamcop:

,- [  ]
| ISP has already cancelled the account used to send this spam. ISP
| resolved this issue sometime after martes, 11 de febrero de 2003
| 01:56:25 +0100
`-

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Re: SpamCop filters

[Paul Cartwright]

On Monday, February 10, 2003, 5:54 PM, you wrote:

>> my default browser is Mozilla, but I have IE and opera installed. Opera
>> is fastest, but flakiest. I'd rather use Mozilla than IE, but I think
>> you need to have IE installed to do the wonderful windows updates. I
>> seem to recall it wouldn't work if you tried it with Mozilla..

TF> I would assume the SpamCop filter for TB works with any of these
TF> browsers, but it makes sense that the Windows update works only with
TF> the browser the same company distributes.

that was part of the lawsuit I think, to separate browser from OS.. I
SHOULD be able to use the browser of my choice to update the OS on my
computer... SHOULD BE...


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Filters for Spam

[~John]

Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me:

[strings]
£|¥|¤|§|«|»|À|Á|Å|µ|¿

[Location]
Subject

[Presence]
Yes

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Re: Global filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:31:52 -0500 GMT (23/02/03, 20:31 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

> You seem to be describing a sort of like 'common filter' system
> dialog.

> You define your common filters in this dialog. You then add them as
> needed to your various accounts. If you need to make a change to a
> common filter, it would then propagate to all the accounts where the
> filter is added.

Yes, this is what I mean.

> This system would be easier than the current one, only in so far as
> updating or changing the filter is concerned, wouldn't it? You still
> have to go to each account and add it, the same as copy and pasting
> in the current system.

No it isn't. If I add any filter string, for example an email address
or a key word, I won't have to go to all accounts. I would update only
at one place. That's the point.

> Global filters really should be just a matter of creating the filter
> and whammo, it works on all accounts. No need to be adding them to
> each account.

Please explain how this should work. Let's say under Options I have a
menu item "Global filters", and I create a filter there. What would it
do?

Could I except accounts from this filter or from all global filters,
like I can with "check all"?

> If you need anything other than this, then go the currently
> implemented method of copying and pasting the filter to the accounts
> which you wish the filter to be applied.

This is what I am doing, and it is troublesome to have to add the same
address as an alternative filter string to several filters across
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Re: Global filters

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Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'

>> This system would be easier than the current one, only in so far as
>> updating or changing the filter is concerned, wouldn't it? You still
>> have to go to each account and add it, the same as copy and pasting
>> in the current system.

TF> No it isn't. If I add any filter string, for example an email address
TF> or a key word, I won't have to go to all accounts. I would update only
TF> at one place. That's the point.

Yes, I know but:

My point is that every time someone asks how to make all message
list columns look the same, we have to start off by saying, 'I'm
afraid that you'll have to first go through all folders you wish to
have the same setting and toggle on the switch 'Use account default
column settings' ' The user with a lot of folders is never
really pleased to hear this, even though they don't have to do it
again.

With your model, for each filter, I'd have to go to each account I
wish to add it and then place the filter etc. Not much different
from the current method of initial setup. I know that subsequent
modification of the filter would be made easier.

A 'paste-linked' (name just invented ) option would do what you
want. In this way the pasted filter copy would be linked to the
original and vice/versa. Modifying one filter would then modify the
other. A flag of sorts could be used to indicate that a particular
filter is linked to a copy in other accounts.

TF> Please explain how this should work. Let's say under Options I have
TF> a menu item "Global filters", and I create a filter there. What
TF> would it do?

It would be applied to all accounts. It could be set to be applied
before or after all other filters have been run.

I just created a filter that I wanted global. I created one that
would move messages containing a particular string to a particular
common folder. I want it run on all accounts. I had to copy it to
each accounts incoming filter set. It would have been nice to just
create the filter as a global one and that's it. No having to open
other accounts and adding it.

TF> Could I except accounts from this filter or from all global filters,
TF> like I can with "check all"?

Yes, this would be necessary. However, I dislike the concept of
still having to go to each account and inserting what's supposed to
be a global filter. It's not really global then .. more common.

>> If you need anything other than this, then go the currently
>> implemented method of copying and pasting the filter to the accounts
>> which you wish the filter to be applied.

TF> This is what I am doing, and it is troublesome to have to add the
TF> same address as an alternative filter string to several filters
TF> across various accounts.

Exactly. It's not nice having to do it when it isn't necessary.

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Re: Global filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:16:52 -0500 GMT (23/02/03, 22:16 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

TF>> No it isn't. If I add any filter string, for example an email address
TF>> or a key word, I won't have to go to all accounts. I would update only
TF>> at one place. That's the point.

> Yes, I know but:

OK, you got my point. :-)

> My point is that every time someone asks how to make all message
> list columns look the same, we have to start off by saying, 'I'm
> afraid that you'll have to first go through all folders

I agree with you here, but while it is not unusual for people to have
100 folders, I cannot see why anyone would have 100 accounts.

> With your model, for each filter, I'd have to go to each account I
> wish to add it and then place the filter etc. Not much different
> from the current method of initial setup. I know that subsequent
> modification of the filter would be made easier.

The subsequent modification is my point, yes.

> A 'paste-linked' (name just invented ) option would do what you
> want.

Yes, but I would find a central location, like for QTs, better. Matter
of taste, maybe.

TF>> Please explain how this should work. Let's say under Options I have
TF>> a menu item "Global filters", and I create a filter there. What
TF>> would it do?

> I just created a filter that I wanted global. I created one that
> would move messages containing a particular string to a particular
> common folder. I want it run on all accounts. I had to copy it to
> each accounts incoming filter set. It would have been nice to just
> create the filter as a global one and that's it. No having to open
> other accounts and adding it.

I see your point, too.

TF>> Could I except accounts from this filter or from all global filters,
TF>> like I can with "check all"?

> Yes, this would be necessary.

This would make it complicated. For each global filter, there would
have to be an option in each account to not apply it. Then, in some
accounts, I would it applied at the top, in others at the bottom, and
again in others somehwere in between.

> However, I dislike the concept of still having to go to each account
> and inserting what's supposed to be a global filter. It's not really
> global then .. more common.

The difference between our concepts is just the default setting. In my
version, the default is "do not apply", and you have to set "apply" in
the accounts were it should be applied. In your version, it is applied
in all accounts, and you would have to set "do not apply" were it
shouldn't be.

TF>> This is what I am doing, and it is troublesome to have to add the
TF>> same address as an alternative filter string to several filters
TF>> across various accounts.

> Exactly. It's not nice having to do it when it isn't necessary.

We agree on this one?

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Filters not firing

[Stuart Hemming]

I've got a 'read messages' filter that, for messages in a particular
colour group, moves a message to a different folder. It works a treat,
except, if I mark as read an entire thread. The whole thread was in
the colour group but stayed put when marked using ctrl-shift-m. I had
to mark them all unread and then mark the read individually to get
them to move.

Is this right?

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Re[2]: Filters

[Pete Holsberg]

Hello Roelof,

Monday, March 17, 2003, 7:17:41 PM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Pete,

RO> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:46:08 -0500GMT (18-3-03, 0:46 +0100, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

PH>> Filters have me stumped!

PH>> I have strings set up as follows:

PH>> TheBat Text
PH>> batSubject
PH>> TBUDL  Recipient
PH>> tbudl  Recipient
PH>> batRecipient

PH>> Source folder is inbox; destination folder, The Bat

PH>> I expected that any messages having any of those strings in the
PH>> associated locations would be sent to my The Bat folder.

RO> You're using five conditions. Unless you've setup all conditions as
RO> separate conditions (on the 'Alternate' tab) all of these five
RO> conditions have to met in order to trigger the filter.
RO> Since most of the messages on this list don't have 'bat' in their
RO> subject, the filter is bound to fail.

So the rules are ANDed? How do I get them to be ORed?

RO> To process the messages correctly, it's best to filter list messages
RO> based upon a string that's inserted by the list. A example would be:
RO> List-Id: 
RO> as string, present in the kludges (headers)
RO> Filtering on the list address among the recipients would work too, but
RO> that would have two matches when somebody's sending you the same
RO> message both on and off-list. (Some do.) That's why I prefer to filter
RO> on a string addded by the list server.

I see that I don not have the_bat.hlp. Can someone send it to me or
tell me where I can snarf a copy from?

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Re[2]: Filters

[Pete Holsberg]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, March 17, 2003, 10:28:12 PM, you wrote:

>> So the rules are ANDed? How do I get them to be ORed?

TF> If they are all on the first tab ("Rule", then they are ANDed. If you
TF> put conditions onto the second tab ("Alternatives"), each alternative
TF> is ORed to the first tab and to all other alternative rules. Now, each
TF> of these can again have multiple ANDed conditions, which you add by
TF> using Alt-Ins.

TF> However, for this list I have only one condition:

TF> String: Reply-To:.*TBUDL
TF> Presence in: Kludges

TF> Under the Options tab, I have activated "Regular Expressions", so that
TF> this dot-asterisk is interpreted as "any characters". I believe I
TF> copied this from the welcome mail or somewhere.

OK, thanks.

>> I see that I don not have the_bat.hlp. Can someone send it to me or
>> tell me where I can snarf a copy from?

TF> If you donwload the latest version of TB and run the install routine,
TF> the Help will be installed automatically.

I have 1.60 and am happy with it. Does 1.62 represent an important
improvement?

Thanks.


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Re[2]: Filters

[Pete Holsberg]

Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 3:31:33 AM, you wrote:

PH>> I have 1.60 and am happy with it. Does 1.62 represent an important
PH>> improvement?

RO> The most important improvement for you would be that you'd have a
RO> help-file.

Well, if someone would email me the help file, I could save a download
and reinstall. :-)



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Re[2]: Filters

[Joan Josep]

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Hello Thomas,


 On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, at 10:28:12 [GMT +0700]
 (which was 18/03/2003 (D/M/Y) 4:28 where I live) you wrote:

TF> so that
TF> this dot-asterisk is interpreted as "any characters"


I do not see the need of .*

If  tbudl  is  present,  it is, whatever is around. I use tbudl as a
filterinf string, and it works fine.

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Filters and attachments

[Mike Rivers]

Is it possible to create filter rules that scan attachments?  My
question arises because of the daily barrage of bounced Klez mailings
(you know the ones that originate from someone else, but supply your
email as the From: )

I figured that, if I put "yabbadabbado" as my Organization, I could
filter out all the bounced Klez mails, as they won't have yabbadabbado
in the Organization field of the bounced mail.  So I set up a filter
to look for yabbadabbado "Anywhere".  But it apparently doesn't search
in the attachments, because it misses legitimate bounced messages that
do include all the original headers.

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Filters don't work

[Jos Klaassens]

Hello tbudl,

  All my filters ceased to work. Strange enough the only filters that
  are still working are the TB's lists filters.. I removed the rest of
  the filters and made them again (made some new ones too) in my 4
  accounts. Tried sender, kludges etc. Without result. Nothing filters
  anymore. This week I intend a new install of TB after making a
  backup. Or is there something else I can still try?
  
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Multiple Account filters

[Michael Thompson]

Hello tbudl,

In the same way as having "Common Folders" is it possible to have
"Common Filters"? At the moment I have a few common folders, and the
accounts that these filter into each have their own filters set up.
What I want to do is have one filter for multiple accounts that then
filter into the common folders.

I hope that makes sense!



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Re: Bayesian Filters

[Dave Kennedy]

Wednesday, August 20, 2003, 1:08:12 PM, Steve wrote:
S> I've been playing around with beta 2 and noticed that there is
S> now a panel for anti-spam plug-ins.

Quick advice. Duck! You've posted this beta related question to
the non-beta list.

S> I know that it is possible to put together some pretty
S> effective filters with TB but from using my BeOS Mail daemon
S> I've been pretty impressed with what Bayesian filters can do
S> and would love to try one out for TB.

Check the TBUDL archives for POPFile. I and many others are very
satisfied with it and TB!

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