[Texascavers] TCR and NCKMS
Is anybody going to TCR that can haul the TSS/TSA trailer? It has the sales tents, lights, sound system, T-shirts, books, etc. Also, is anyone going to the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium in Arkansas the week after TCR that would want to carpool? Call, text, or email. Thanks! Jim Kennedy 512-663-2287 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto survey class
Les, if there is interest, I'll do another round of survey workshops sometime this winter. -- Jim On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Les Ward via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Please let me know when you do your next series, thank you. > > Les Ward > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] UT Grotto survey class
Tonight is the second (of six) workshop classes designed to empower a whole batch of new sketchers. Last week we covered the types and purposes of cave maps, the in-cave survey process, and types of instruments, survey books, and some survey project protocols. Tonight we revisit Project caving standards, setting up your sketchbook, data and metadata, and sketching to scale. If you have already signed up, we'll be meeting at the same time and place. Bring a flash drive for handouts. If you think this is a great idea and would like to get involved if we do another series, send me a message off list. Jim Kennedy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Photo request: Blaine and Rustler Formations
I just sent you two Dropbox folders via your gmail address. I hope they help. Jim On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Andrea Croskrey via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Howdy Texas Cavers! > > I'm giving a presentation on the Rustler and Blaine aquifers and would > like photos. Anyone have photos I could use? I would give photo credit! I > know some people have at least been in the gypsum caves in the panhandle > which is in the Blaine aquifer... > > Andrea Croskrey > quartzit...@hotmail.com > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] History of Comanche Springs
The Texas Speleological Survey has a wealth of info in our archives on Comanche Springs Cave. Jim Kennedy TSS Secretary On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Andrea Croskrey via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Howdy Texas Cavers, > > My coworker is having a summer intern write a Technical Note on the > history of Comanche Springs. She's placed a call out for all articles > related to Comanche Springs and thought I should ask the caving community > to contribute. Email me at andrea.crosk...@twdb.texas.gov if you have or > know of material that could help her write the report. Also, I'll let you > know when the report is done and how to get a copy. > > Cavingly, > Andrea ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TCMA to sponsor NCRC weekend workshop
Mark your calendars! The South-Central Region of the National Cave Rescue Commission is partnering with the Texas Cave Management Association to put on an Orientation to Cave Rescue (OCR) workshop the weekend of 16-18 September 2016 at TCMA's Carta Valley fieldhouse at the Deep and Punkin Cave Nature Preserve. Spaces are limited and already filling fast. For more details, check out the attached flyer, or go to https://www.regonline.com/OCR2016SouthCentral to register. It's only $50, including meals. Even if you don't plan to be involved in cave rescue, this 2-day workshop will help you to be a safer caver and better prepared in case you are ever involved in an cave accident. A combination of classroom-style lectures and hands-on exercises culminates in a short mock rescue taking place in one of the two caves on the property. Come prepared for long days and a lot of information. Jim "Crash" Kennedy TCMA Preserves Committee Chair NCRC OCR Sept 2016 (Kennedy edits).doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from texascavers.com. Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author. It's a common courtesy. Jim Kennedy > My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Early registration ending soon!
If you have not yet registered for the fabulous TSA Spring Convention taking place this weekend, you only have until midnight tonight to take advantage of the early-bird discounts. This Convention raises the bar in a number of ways. Check out the program for details. And it is in the very cavey Edwards County! Get thee hence to the TSA website and register now! Crash ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] finalized Program for this weekend
You don't have to download an app. The file should open whether or not you have Dropbox. It's a PDF. It will also be on the TSA Convention webpage. Right now the draft version is still up. -- Jim On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Caver via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Do you have any other type that we can view the program? I don't want to > download an app that I will never use again and have no desire to. > Thanks. > > Daniel Ramirez > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] finalized Program for this weekend
The Program is back from the printers. Thanks to the 2016 NSS Convention for buying adspace and allowing us to print in color. Preview the PDF version at https://www.dropbox.com/s/lbqsne2renz0js3/2016%20TSA%20Convention%20program%20v2.pdf?dl=0 . NOTE TO PRESENTERS: make sure that you have ALL of your talk on your laptop or flash drive. Do not assume that you will have internet access at the fairgrounds. You will not be able to go online to show any Google Earth images or YouTube videos when you are there. Download everything in advance, and make sure it works before you arrive. Jim ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention early registration deadline
Attention cavers! In case you didn't read the fine print, the early registration discount for the TSA Spring Convention ends THIS FRIDAY. If you wait to register at the door, it will cost you a lot more. We also want to remind everyone that there is an opportunity to go into Devils Sinkhole on Sunday after the Convention, but ONLY if you get your name on the list. Details are on the TSA website at http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2016/index.php Jim Kennedy TSA Convention Organizer ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Last call for talks for TSA Spring Convention
I still have a slot or two available. Send me a brief title and description if interested. Remember that the theme of the talks this year is Caves and Karst of the Edwards Plateau. Also, I have a time period available to schedule very short (~5-10 minute) talks on Plateau caves that you have recently mapped or visited, but don't really have enough material for a full presentation. Email me off-list if you are interested. Jim Kennedy TSA Convention Chair ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention news
Geary, Yes. Here are my instructions to all presenters: Keep it simple. Avoid technical terms and jargon. Avoid graphs and charts. Since we are likely to have a fair number of the general public there, don't assume they even know what "caves", "karst", and "aquifer" mean. Deine everything, but use short words. Aim for a 6th grade comprehension level. DO use LOTS of graphics, especially illustrations, photos, maps, and videos. Don't linger on any one slide too long. Keep it snappy. Our aim is to educate (both cavers and non-cavers), and instill a big feeling of "Oh wow!, I don't know that! That is SO cool!" through all of our presentations. Stories and anecdotes help relate the topic to the audience, as long as they are pertinent. Remember that you only have 20 minutes (or so), plus questions and answers afterwards. And I WILL keep everybody on schedule. Can you send me a title and a couple of lines of description for the Program? Thanks! -- Jim On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Jim, > > > > Do you have an open spot for a talk at the TSA spring meet. > > > > I may have a presentation on hydrogeology of the Edwards Plateau. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Geary > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Best padlocks for cave gates
No gate is absolutely foolproof, and there are an awful lot of fools out there. I have even seen entrances encased in concrete, and I mean FEET of concrete, reopened by persistent vandals. What we try to do is to keep out 99% of the would- be trespassers while maintaining airflow, humidity, nutrient flow, and other key components of the cave ecosystem in as natural of a state as possible. For the other, more persistent types, we hope that frequent visitation and monitoring catches their efforts before completed. We make repairs, again and again if necessary, and hopefully they get bored and move on to some other nefarious endeavor. -- Jim On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Jim, > > > > Considering the availability of high torque battery operated tools these > days, are you seeing cave gates breached more often or is this a mouse trap > issue of the available tools are better so the gates must get better also. > > > > Geary > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] HOT Deals: Honey Creek Cave Salamander Tshirt for Sale!
Yes, so PLEASE, everyone sign your names to your posts! Jim Kennedy On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Denise, this has been in effect for over a year, damned anti-spam > mechanisms. Some email clients will show a from name, some will not. > > Charles > > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Denise P via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> Is this a new thing where one cannot tell who write an email to the list >> serve? Might be good to start signing our names to pour posts. >> >> -Denise >> > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention news
The Auction for spots on the Devils Sinkhole trip is really heating up. Bid now for a change on one of only 15 spaces! http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2016/devils_sinkhole_auction.php We still have a couple of slots left in our presentation schedule. If you have a talk on the Edwards Plateau that you would like to present, please contact me offlist. We also have spaces available for vendors and exhibitors. So far we have the TSS, TSA, TCMA, AMCS, TPWD, Devils Sinkhole Society, Caverns of Sonora, and 2016 NSS Convention signed up. If anyone else would like to set up, please let me know. And we are still looking for a volunteer to stop by Shiner and pick up the two donated kegs and assorted Shiner swag for the auction. Anyone? It's free beer, people! Don't forget to register online before the early registration closes. You will save big bucks! -- Jim ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Devils Sinkhole trip
Special announcement! After much work, we have arranged for a very limited trip on Sunday of the Convention into the Devils Sinkhole. You MUST have your own gear and be proficient in it's use, including passing rebelays and performing changeovers. Preference is being given to cavers who have NEVER before had an opportunity to enter the Sinkhole. Instead of holding a lottery or drawing names from a hat, we are auctioning off the spots, with the top 15 bidders guaranteed a spot on the trip. Proceeds go to TCMA. Details and bidding process is explained at http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2016/devils_sinkhole_auction.php. Good luck! Please post to other Texas caving listserves. Also, don't forget to preregister for the Convention and save substantial money! http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2016/register.php Jim Kennedy TSA Vice-Chair ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention map and photo salons
Would the current Salon coordinators please get in touch with me ASAP? Thanks! -- Jim ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] second call for presentations --- TSA Spring Convention
Cavers! This year's TSA Convention is going to be the biggest ever. We will be at the Edwards County Fairgrounds in Rocksprings on April 22-24. And this year we are also inviting the general public! So come prepared to interact with ranchers, hunters, landowners, and schoolchildren and help to teach them about the karst on which they live. Needless to say, we all need to be extremely professional and on our best behavior. Oh, and Edwards County has a no alcohol policy, so absolutely no bottles or cans should be anywhere in sight (and coozies are not adequate cover -- use another opaque container instead). This short reminder is also to solicit additional 20-30 minute talks. We still have some spaces available, so if you have something cool to share on exploration, mapping, geology, biology, archeology, or paleontology specific to Edwards Plateau caves and karst, then I want to hear about it! Yes, this year our talks all have a theme, becoming the Edwards Plateau Symposium. Contact me directly if you want to make a short presentation. Now for some other teasers: We have camping on site, but with limited trees, so come prepared. (Hey, it the Edwards Plateau, so that shouldn't be a big surprise.) We'll have a central campfire, but no other fires are allowed. We'll have the usual TCMA fundraising auction, but with a few new twists. Esteemed chef Stefan Creaser and his crew will be serving a delicious Tex-Mex buffet for the Saturday banquet. There will be doorprizes. And you can make your own arrangements on Friday to see the bat emergence at the Devils Sinkhole (Texas' deepest pit) or visit nearby Kickapoo Caverns or Caverns of Sonora (both sponsors of this Convention) before you head back home on Sunday. If you have more questions, or need maps and directions, check out the 2016 TSA Spring Convention Facebook site. All the latest news and details will be posted there. See you in Rocksprings in April! Jim Kennedy TSA Vice-Chair ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Directions to Punkin and Deep needed
These may be a little dated, but they should help. The current cabin opening and closing instructions are in the big gray notebook at the cabin. -- Jim On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Does anyone have the Cabin set up information and directions to Punkin and > Deep. > > I will need it tonight. Please reply offlist to aim...@yahoo.com > > Thanks, > > Aimee B > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > Deep Cabin Operating Instructions.doc Description: MS-Word document Directions to Deep and Punkin Cave.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] OT -- rescue divers
Posted on behalf of a caver friend, Wendy Shirah. Please do NOT respond to me or the list if you have questions or comments, but respond to Wendy directly. Jim Kennedy "I am looking for 2 rescue divers to work this Saturday, Sept 12th at a Savage Race in Grandview, TX (this is close to the Dallas area). Must have rescue certification or above. It will be low to no visibility diving in a man-made pool at one of the obstacles on the course. There are rescue swimmers/lifeguards at the event, so you are just there in gear just in case. It's actually a fun job and you will make some money doing it. Anyone interested please contact Joe Casella at jcase...@medspanhealth.com and feel free to ask me any questions. I will be there this weekend as well. --- Wendy" ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] trip report: Punkin Cave survey expedition #24
A couple of weeks ago Yaz decided to visit her family in San Luis Potosí. I was between projects and had some time on my hands. So I got the wild idea to head to Carta Valley for a week and survey as much of Punkin Cave as I could. I talked to Ben Hutchins, who said he and Carrie were interested, and he had some time available. At the UT Grotto meeting I got a few more hits, so the expedition was on! David Ochel said he could make it for the first part of the week. We both drove up Monday, got settled in to the cabin, worked on the outhouse for a bit, and planned our strategy for the next day. On Tuesday 4 August, David and I rigged the small entrance and were in the cave relatively early. We headed directly to some leads I had left from my survey with Tone and Chains in June. We quickly mopped up some leads, determined that a few more needed a little shaving, and moved some rocks so that I could retrieve the hammer I dropped in June. We found several more good leads that need additional work. We also mapped the Neglected Room that we (re-) found in June. It had been previously discovered by ZA survey team (G. Schindel, A. Schindel, and A. Croskrey) in March 2014, but not surveyed. We left a few hairy leads that were heading into blank spots on the map, since there were just two of us and we had no backup. All told, in 7 hours we made 19 shot for a total of 43.68m (or 2.30m per shot). We got out in time for an awesome dinner, movie, and gin tonics. The next day, Wednesday, David had to leave, so I had the place to myself until the next wave arrived that evening. I worked on the outhouse some more, repaired the two broken benches, and generally tidied up the cabin. I took a nice walk, had a nap, and just generally read and relaxed. After a while Ben, Carrie, and Hazel Hutchins arrived from San Marcos, bringing Ron Rutherford with them. Dinner and drinks again ensued, and some more incredible stargazing tool place, before everyone got settled into their respective rooms. Thursday morning, 6 August, dawned bright and early, as it is wont to do in August. Ben, Ron, and I headed back to the Neglected Room to mop up some more remaining leads, while Carrie stayed cool in the cabin and watched Hazel. We first went to a lead off QB2 that looked like it should connect to ZA8, which I enlarged on Tuesday. Sure enough, we found the awkward climb, shot three shots, and tied in to the 2014 station. We were on a roll. Next we mapped the obvious connection from ZA6 to our AF50 from Tuesday. 13 more meters in the bag. I talked Ben into climbing up into a small lead that David and I passed on, and we got another 5m. Meanwhile, Ron was working on some good breakdown leads at the edge of the known map, but couldn't quite make them go. Ben and I mapped another short connection, QB6 to ZA5. We then surveyed down into a big hall at the end of Matt and Saj's survey from June. This room (Refrigerator Room) was super cold, with a very strong breeze blowing out of a too-tight hole through which we could see big blackness. We'll have to come back with better tools, as this goes off the map in a very good direction. One short side passage off the Refrigerator Room was completed, then we packed up and headed down to Windy City. There, off of WM28, David and I found some unsurveyed leads that we tackled to finish out our day. Ron got excluded from part of the passage, but we eventually mapped 24m in this area before everything got too tight. When we got back and plotted out surveys, it was clear that we were heading south along the western flank of the cave, towards the Mortuary Room surveys. Could we possibly attack it from that side as well? We ended the 8-hour day after 36 shots, having put 79.43m in the survey book (2.21m per shot). On Friday 7 August our ranks were reinforced by the arrival of Tom Rogers and Amy Morton. Carrie once again baby-sat while the five remaining went back in the cave. This time we headed towards the Mortuary Room, but somehow got off the Z survey (which we wanted) and onto the original R survey by way of some unmapped connections. I guess we'll have to mop up those one day. We were looking for a lead marked on the survey notes at Z6. But instead, I found an obvious lead at R9. R9 was from a survey I did in March of 2005, and I marked the station with soot from my carbide lamp. Good thing, since it lasted all these years and we could relocate it. The lead trended north along the west wall, right towards where we left off the day before. The lower level eventually died, but we started working on an upper lead that needed some rock removal. Eventually Ben, Amy, and Tom slid through. I hurt a rib while hammering, and never was able to push through. I turned over the survey book to Ben. Meanwhile, Amy found a tube heading up, and could see daylight. I retreated back to the Entrance Room, and eventually found Amy's tube by calling back and forth. It was
Re: [Texascavers] article telling landowners to keep cavers away
I would love to see this article, if it even exists. Specifically, I would love to see it reprinted in *The TEXAS CAVER*. -- Jim On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: For years I've heard about a decades old article (Texas Cattle Magazine?) warning landowners to keep James Reddell and Bill Elliott off of their property because of the risk of finding endangered karst invertebrates. Does anyone have the specific citation or, better yet, a copy of the article? Please email me off list with any info. Thanks, Ben Hutchins (hutch...@yahoo.com) ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] call for papers -- National Cave and Karst Management Symposium
*Call for Papers* *National Cave and Karst Management Symposium October 19-23, 2015* *Cave City, Kentucky* We are now accepting papers for NCKMS 2015. The theme for the Symposium is Hidden Landscapes – Hidden Challenges, with particular emphasis on management issues related to human impact on karst. However, we encourage oral presentations and/ or poster submissions on all topics related to the management of caves and karst resources. The deadline for paper submission is September 7, 2015. Visit our website for more information on the Call for Papers. ( http://www.cave-research.org/NCKMS2015/callForPapers.html). The 21st Annual National Cave and Karst Management Symposium will be held in the heart of the southcentral Kentucky karst in the Mammoth Cave region of the state. The venue for NCKMS 2015 is the Cave City Convention Center located in Cave City, Kentucky, situated just minutes of off Interstate I-65 and convenient to the international airports of Nashville, Tennessee ( 1.5 hours to the south) and Louisville, Kentucky (1.5 hours to the north). Since the early 1800s, Cave City has hosted visitors to Mammoth Cave National Park, which is a World Heritage Site https://email.wku.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=ihGU5uxibUma1pMqbB_rUo4sgGIHU9IIJxaIORo_HvTdrwYoLmvIBgfQg1aEKMpSUnO9Qh5WSIk.URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.worldheritagesite.org%2fsites%2fmammothcave.html , International Biosphere Reserve https://email.wku.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=ihGU5uxibUma1pMqbB_rUo4sgGIHU9IIJxaIORo_HvTdrwYoLmvIBgfQg1aEKMpSUnO9Qh5WSIk.URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.bradd.org%2findex.php%2fmammoth-cave-area-biosphere-reserve.html, and the second oldest tourist attraction in the United States with 53,000 acres of natural preserve and over 400 miles of mapped passageways...the longest cave system in the world. The Symposium is hosted by Cave Research Foundation, Mammoth Cave National Park, and Western Kentucky University. As the theme for NCKMS 2015 is “Hidden Landscapes-Hidden Challenges”, field trips will visit the surface and hidden landscapes of Mammoth Cave National Park and surrounding areas and will also feature field trips to Bowling Green, Kentucky to discuss the challenges of urban development on karst. A selection of seven outstanding workshops will be offered on Monday, October 19, 2015. The workshops will provide hands-on experiences with the techniques and skills necessary for studying, monitoring, and managing cave systems and karst areas. The week after NCKMS 2015, Mammoth Cave and WKU’s KarstField Studies Program will be offering a week-long course on cave management (October 26-30, 2015). The course can be taken as a workshop, for university credit (either graduate or undergraduate), or for Continuing Education credits. See the website for more information. For more information on NCKMS 2015 please visit our website at http://www.cave-research.org/NCKMS2015/index.html or contact Pat Kambesis ( pat.kambe...@wku.edu https://email.wku.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=ihGU5uxibUma1pMqbB_rUo4sgGIHU9IIJxaIORo_HvTdrwYoLmvIBgfQg1aEKMpSUnO9Qh5WSIk.URL=mailto%3apat.kambesis%40wku.edu ) ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Bat Week 2015
*Let's Set a World Record! * Bat Week 2015 is coming soon and we invite you to join us in celebrating the importance of bats. With your help, we will set a World Record for Most Bat Houses Built in a Day—a fun way to get the community active in conservation and to give bats healthy, safe homes. We invite you to host a Bat House Building event at your location on October 31, 2015. Our goal is to have multiple sites across the U.S. and Canada host events in order to reach a record of 5,000 bat houses built in a day. Bat houses are easy and fun to build for both kids and adults. Kits will be available with all the necessary components and pre-drilled holes or you can download free designs to build your own from scratch. This World Record Day will fall on the last day of Bat Week, an annual, international weeklong block of programs and media appearances designed to draw attention to bats. Now in its second year, Bat Week focuses on activating the public to become involved in conservation. Bat Week is organized by a volunteer Steering Committee comprised of representatives from the Organization for Bat Conservation, Bat Conservation International, US Forest Service, US Fish and Wildlife Service, Wildlife Acoustics, Lubee Bat Conservancy and the Save Lucy Campaign. What You Can Expect From Us The Bat Week Steering Committee will provide you with informational tools to promote, host and document your participation in the World Record Bat House Building Day. We will also give you contact information to order bat house kits and free design plans to build your own. In the week leading up to the World Record day, we will be working with the media, celebrities and corporations to maximize promotion of the activity. Promotion will direct the public to our website, www.batweek.org, which will list all host sites for bat house building, allowing people to find a location nearest to them. What We Ask From You If you will be using bat house kits for your event, we would need your commitment to purchase bat house kits by September 18 in order to prepare the materials. Kits will be sold directly from the manufacturer at wholesale prices, which are roughly $30 each. The manufacturer will drop ship the kits directly to you in time for the event. (These bat houses are single-chamber, cedar bat houses designed to maximize the likelihood of use by bats). Once you decide to become a host site, we will list your location on our website and send you the tools you will need to promote and host your event. You may decide how to distribute the completed bat houses following the event. Participants can take the bat house home, you can keep the bat houses for your facility or you can donate the bat houses to another group. What’s Next? This will be an amazing day and we hope you will join us! Please reply to this email if you are interested in becoming a host site or if you have further questions. Alternatively, you can contact Danielle Todd at the Organization for Bat Conservation at dt...@batconservation.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink is For Sale
Galen, the TCMA Acquisitions Committee is actively looking into the purchase. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:56 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Too bad tcma does not want the cave. It has lots of potential! Galen Falgout http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] National Cave and Karst Management Symposium
Friends, The premier cave conservation and management meeting in the world, the NCKMS, happens every other year. 2015 happens to be one of those years. There is a full week of workshops, talks, and field trips (and parties!), and an opportunity to interact with the movers and shakers of the cave management and conservation community, including representatives from the NSS, the NPS, USFS, BLM, USFWS, ACCA, TNC, many state agencies from all over the country, show cave operators, cave conservancies, and even foreign cavers. Details about this year's event can be found at http://www.cave-research.org/NCKMS2015/index.html. This year's conference is the week immediately after TCR, in Cave City, Kentucky. I plan to start my drive after getting home from TCR and repacking on that Sunday, and arrive in KY that Monday, hopefully in the early afternoon. I am wondering if anybody, particularly from the Austin/San Antonio area, would like to carpool with me. If I take the Tahoe, I can easily fit four other people and their luggage. This keeps everyone's costs down, keep us awake while driving, and maybe even puts us in earlier if we swap out drivers. It's about a 13 hour drive from Austin to MACA. Let me know off list if you are interested, even if you aren't yet totally committed to going, and we'll work out the details. Early registration ends 6 September, so I'll be registering soon to save even more money. Catch me at a grotto meeting or just give me a yell if you want to find out more about the NCKMS and what it can do for you. Jim Crash Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com 512-663-2287 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Andy Grubbs
Andy, I lost your email address and you didn't sign it with the email below. Please send it to me offlist. Thanks! Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:28 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Roger I have been getting more Lidar data lately. I would like to work out a data trade of some of what I have for Harris county I can send you a pdf map of my area of coverage. I can send you a small hard drive with data .you want loaded on it and you can send it back to me with Harris co send me your gis guys email address and I can work this out with him Thanks Andy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Punkin Cave survey
There will be a Punkin survey trip on Saturday, 27 June 2015, followed by a TCMA Board meeting at the cabin the next morning. Please email me offlist if you are interested in participating in the survey trip, as there is a limit to the number of people on the property. You MUST be vertically competent and have your own gear. If you have any questions, please call me. Thanks! Jim Crash Kennedy 512-663-2287 cavercr...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] cleanup scheduled at TCMA's Lost Oasis Cave Preserve
The Lost Oasis Cave Preserve in South Austin is having a cleanup day Saturday, April 4th from 9 am until about 2 pm, or until everyone gets tired. All in all, we could probably use 20-30 people, considering the multiple chores we're hoping to take care of. There are three or four dead trees that need to be cut, and a lot of new-growth juniper that should be thinned. We would like to have at least two people bring and operate chainsaws. We need another 6-8 people to be saw attendants and draggers. Gill Ediger is bringing the big chipper so that we can feed these and several piles of old cut brush into it and make mulch. Feel free to bring bags, buckets, or tubs to take some mulch home for your yards. We'll have plenty. We also need to start doing more active need to do fire ant control, so we would like several people to bring big pots and boilers (and 3-4 five-gallon jugs of water each) so we can pour boiling water on the mounds. There is a lot of this to do -- probably 50-100 mounds, so we'd like four or more boilers and people unafraid to haul pots. Once we know how many boilers we can have on site, we will coordinate picking up propane tanks for same. And if you don't want to drag brush or carry buckets of boiling water, we have another chore for you. We will start thinning the profusion of prickly pear around the cave, so bring bow rakes (garden rakes), pitchforks, clam rakes, and other similar tools to help with that project. Everyone should bring gloves and dress appropriately. TCMA will provide coolers with beverages. After the work is finished, Preserve Manager Chris Vreeland will be happy to open the cave for anyone who wants to see it. A helmet and headlamp are required, but you don't need much else. Contact Chris offlist at cvreel...@austin.rr.com to sign up, volunteer for a particular task, or to get directions. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Ezells gating update
Thanks to all the volunteers who contacted me to say you are coming out Sunday to help with the gating project. If you are planning to come and haven't told me yet, please send me a text or email or call to let me know. We are buying drinks and snacks, and ordering lunch for the volunteers, so we need a headcount. Also, it's supposed to rain a bit on Sunday, so dress appropriately. Finally, don't forget that the time changes again on Saturday night, so when I arrive at the cave at 8 am, my body will feel like it is still 7 am. Ugh. See you all there! Jim ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Ezells Cave gating project
As a reminder, this Sunday, 8 March, is the Ezells Cave regating project. We need volunteers to set up, carry equipment and steel, lift things, and help clean up afterwards. Wear work boots, and work clothes, bring work gloves. Beverages and snacks will be provided, as will dinner afterwards for volunteers. Dress appropriately, we will be working even if it rains a little. We plan to start at 8 am and work until the gate is finished. Contact Preserve Manager Ron Ralph and please CC me if you plan to attend. The address is 1500 Brown Street, San Marcos, Texas. If we have extra people, Ron has some tree cutting and limb lopping work that also needs done. There will also be an opportunity for volunteers to take a quick trip into the cave after the work is finished. Thanks for your support of the Texas Cave Management Association. Jim Kennedy TCMA Preserves Chair ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Punkin Survey openings
Sorry for the last-minute notice, but I have a few openings that have come available on this weekend's Punkin survey expedition. Vertical gear and skills a must. Contact me off-list by this afternoon if interested. Crash 512-663-2287 cavercr...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] upcoming TCMA events
The Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA) has scheduled four fun events this spring that need volunteers, and we hope you join us. We will be building a new, bat-friendly gate at our *Ezells Cave Preserve* in San Marcos on *Sunday 8 March*. Please contact Preserve Manager Ron Ralph at ronra...@austin.rr.com or 512-797-3817 to sign up. We have some paid professionals with lots of bat gate building experience to do the main engineering and welding, but we need volunteers to help move, lift, cut, and place the steel bars, stage equipment, and help clean up afterwards. Lunch will be provided. Wear boots and gloves. Helmets, hearing protection, and eye protection are also recommended, especially around the gating site. We plan to start around 8 am and end when the gate is finished and the gear is packed up. This is a long-overdue project, and we are happy to see it finally come to fruition. Major funding has been provided by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, with lesser funding from the Edwards Aquifer Authority and an anonymous donor. Ron is looking for other donations, and has already received a few from various cavers who will have their names welded on a the gate for all to see. If you are interested in helping support this effort, please contact Ron. On *Saturday 21 **March* Preserve Manager Ellie Falgout is hosting a volunteer work day at our *Rolling Oaks Cave Preserve *in Bexar County (northwest San Antonio). The main purposes are to clean up the grounds (trash and branches) and to continue the dig at Niche Cave, which is full of old farm trash and sediment that is washing in. We need people, buckets, shovels. Bring your own drinks and snacks for the work. TCMA will provide bottled water and light lunch. The cave preserve is located at 224 Laurel Ridge Lane, San Antonio, TX 78253. All visitors to the Preserve will be asked to sign a liability waiver. Look for signs and park along the street. Meet at 10:00 am. We should be finished with the work by 2pm. Bring your own cave gear if you wish to enter any of the four Preserve caves after the dig. Ellie can be reached at 509-899-0007 512-797-3817 or ellie.tho...@gmail.com in case any one gets lost, or if you would like coordinate more details with her. No need to RSVP if you are attending. Just show up! The very next day,* Sunday 22 March*, the TCMA is having a board meeting in south Austin, and all interested parties, members and non-members alike, are invited to attend. Details of the meeting place are yet to be announced, so stay tuned or contact any of the TCMA Directors for more details as things firm up. Immediately after the meeting, we will reconvene at our *Whirlpool Cave Preserve* for another volunteer work session, coordinated by Preserve Manager Matt Turner. The focus is cleaning up trash and flood debris, so bring gloves, rakes, loppers, etc. TCMA will provide trash bags, and we'll try to haul all the garbage off the property that day if there isn't too much. There may also be an opportunity for volunteers to visit the cave afterwards, so bring basic cave gear. Water and snacks will be provided. Contact Matt at 512-963-4682 or kat...@yahoo.com for directions and details, or just show up. The following weekend,* 27-29 March*, is a volunteer work weekend at our *Deep and Punkin Cave Preserve* in Carta Valley. Preserve Manager Don Arburn is planning to begin site work on the new location for the Loo and future shower house. There is a maximum limit of 25 at the property, so definitely call or email Don in advance to get your name on the list. Plan to cut trees, dig rock, and move heavy materials. Don can be reached at d...@oztotl.com or 361-362-3677. Limited bunk space is available in the cabin, or bring a tent. Meals will be provided, and there is a $10 property use fee on top of the meal expenses. Look for more exciting volunteer opportunities coming up at our other preserves later this year. Thanks for your support of TCMA and cave mana gement. Jim Crash' Kennedy TCMA Preserves Chair ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Upcoming Internship at Government Canyon SNA.
There is a similar position available at Colorado Bend State Park: *http://tinyurl.com/ojuzhvr http://tinyurl.com/ojuzhvr* *Crash* On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:41 PM, George Veni via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: snip Good morning, Please inform current students of an upcoming paid internship at Government Canyon State Natural Area in San Antonio. Although the student will experience all aspects of natural area/park operations, a focus on those aspects – e.g. site development and resource management and interpretation – unique to management of a natural area will be emphasized. A link to the posting is as follows: TPWD Job Opportunities http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/jobs/ Thank you, Carl Carl E. Green Texas Parks and Wildlife Department Government Canyon State Natural Area 12861 Galm Road San Antonio, TX 78254 (210) 688-9055 *Office* 210-844-8482 *Cell * ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Monday 1 December Bureau of Economic Geology presentation on caves
Nico Hauwert was also in attendance. I agree, it would be a great talk for TSA Spring Convention, and Chris is a very engaging speaker. Among the other fauna so far identified in the cave is a dog, lizard, and extinct ground sloth. -- Jim On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com wrote: All: The meeting last night was very interesting. Cavers in attendance included Rune Burnet, Susan Souby, Andrea Croskrey, Geoff Hoese, Jim Kennedy and myself. Geoff has the contact information for Chris Bell and has already asked him if he could present his findings on Phillips Cave in Crockett County at Spring Convention. This is a cave that was mapped by Peter Sprouse, Sofia Casini, Ryan Reed, Geoff Hoese and others in 2010(?). We all agreed last night that Chris would be an excellent speaker at the TSA but he did say that April is a busy month for him. Geoff and Peter gave a presentation on this cave at the UT grotto several years ago I believe. The cave appears to be rich in Pleistocene fauna and will be an excellent source for paleontology research for years to come. I recall that they have so far identified bones of two birds (one quite large), snakes, numerous rodents, skunks and their kin, horse, camel, and an extinct antelope. Crash, what am I missing? The speakers expressed their gratitude to the cavers for notifying them of the find nearly immediately after their visit and for the fine map. Aimee Beveridge Hint hint: it would be great to hear from one or both of these speakers at the Spring TSA Convention. Diana Good Morning Cavers: If you are in Austin today, there will be a cave paleontology presentation at the Austin Geological Society Talk presented tonight at 7:00 PM at the Bureau of Economic Geology located at 10100 Burnet Road, building 130. The featured speakers will be Dr. Ernest Lundelius speaking about Contributions of Caves to Knowledge of Edwards Plateau History and Dr. Chris Bell on New Ice-Age Fossils from Phillips Cave, Crockett County, Texas Cheers, Aimee Beveridge ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] free to good home
We have a 1995 Honda Civic that has served us well when we needed a car, and served the Stricklands well before that. It has some issues --- slipping clutch, needs right front CV joint, no A/C, no radio, and others --- but the engine is still good. I would like it gone by next Thursday. If no takers, I'll call Salvation Army or some other charity to haul it off. Contact me offline if interested. Jim Kennedy 512-663-2287 j...@ka-ug.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] UT Grotto Mexico trip in November
Folks, the UT Grotto is planning a trip (in three parts) to northern Mexico on the last two weeks of November. Although it is primarily billed as a recreational UT Grotto trip (at least the last half of it is), it is open to other fun cavers with passports. The first half of the trip will be the 13th Laguna de Sanchez expedition, where we will be surveying largely vertical caves in a gorgeous mountain region. If you are interested, and can commit to all or part of the three portions of the trip, go to Google Docs and read the trip descriptions (with links) at https://docs.google.com/document/d/18oPzHfr5xBuh3AXECDJBdo8-MIhgifsboZKv-CiRN5c/edit?usp=sharing. There is an overview map of the area at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0c5-1Bi0Ao5SVRKcTFCSFdVOVk/view?usp=sharing. And there is a spreadsheet with three different tabs for you to sign up at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fvameOw780Alm3bWBiR5e7-mNBc1Eq8WwJr3Ij49dP0/edit?usp=sharing. If you sign up and then something happens and you cannot go, please go back to the spreadsheet and delete your name. I'm trying this in Google Docs for the first time, and I hope it works. Let me know if there are any problems. I'm hoping we can get a good headcount in the next two weeks, so sign up soon, please! And sign up even if you have already told me in person, by email, or on the LdeS website that you are going. I will send out more details to participants once we get a better handle on who all is going and to which part. And make sure you have a valid passport! Thanks for your interest, and let me know if you have any more questions that are not immediately answered in the Word document. It's going to be a lot of fun. Jim Crash Kennedy 512-663-2287 cavercr...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Mertens Ranch dig trip
If anyone is not going on the Deep Cave survey trip this coming weekend and would like to join us on a very promising dig adjacent to Guadalupe River State Park (and projected to intersect a very long and famous water cave), contact me offlist. We still have a couple of open spots. Details will be sent upon confirmation of participants. Breakthrough is imminent! Crash ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] NEW TSS Website
My start date as Director (on the Director info page) is listed as 00-00-. I started on 20 September 1997, as was listed on the old Officers and Directors PDF. Thanks! -- Jim ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers
David, If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really good price), then you are paying $1200 a year. So the cost of the unit is more than what you say the contents are worth. In 50 years you will have paid over $60,000. That is just poor economics. Jim On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: snip In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items. It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than I am planning for. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Last Sunday Swim of the season
Julie, Convention was in July. Sorry we missed you there! -- Jim On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I hope to see you and many other caving friends at convention this year! Sent from my iPad ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Last Sunday Swim of the season
There are some caving events in October, such as the Texas Cavers Reunion, but no Convention. Sorry! On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: No October convention? Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Julie, Convention was in July. Sorry we missed you there! -- Jim On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I hope to see you and many other caving friends at convention this year! Sent from my iPad ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Jim Kennedy Kennedy Above/Under Ground LLC 304 West Mockingbird Lane Austin, TX 78745-3121 USA j...@ka-ug.com 512-663-2287 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Interesting, ST. PAUL, MN, Video: Firefighters rescue teen trapped in 300-foot cave
These are old sandstone mines, despite the fact that the locals all call them caves. -- Crash On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Nigel via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-products/technical-rescue/articles/1965215-Video-Firefighters-rescue-teen-trapped-in-300-foot-cave A 19-year-old man sent a desperate text message to a friend while his cellphone still worked: He'd fallen and was trapped deep in a cave near St. Paul's High Bridge. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
