[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

[TonyM]

Mark,

In TWC the zoom amount of the browser had an effect of the exact display. A 
Zoom in or out would change the number of borders you could see. I don't 
know if this in relevant in TW5 because its responsive.

Sometimes my table design was perfect, only I had a zoom out that was too 
great the boarders were not displayed.

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

[TonyM]

Riz,

Looks familiar :)

On your demo I note you can drag a card to a new list until it has at least 
one card

Unfortunately, I can't create lists or cards on my own TW5 Notes Tiddlywiki 
and another of my wikis, including one that is close to empty.

Are there any more dependencies for the plugin?

What can I do to troubleshoot it?

Thanks
Tony

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Sorry about that. For purpose of better figuring things out, this also 
works.

| Weak FormAdjectives |>| Singular |<| Plural |h
|~| Masculine | Neuter | Feminine |~|h
| Nominative | -e |>| -e | -en |
| Accusative | -en |>|~|~|
| Dative | -en |<|<|~|
| Genitive |~|>|>|~|

(It swaps the order and direction of the symbols in that block)

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:32:41 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Mat,
>
> Trial and error? I'm good at the error stuff. It's amazing you could find 
> it so fast.
>
> Here's some screen shots. You can see the right-most border is OK (Win 7, 
> Firefox 55.0.3) but partially missing in Chrome.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:05:26 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 2:46:30 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mat!
>>>
>>> Is there/was there any strategy to follow? 
>>>
>>
>> Ehm... trial and error.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> One thing that puzzles (ok, lots of things). This line:
>>>
>>> | Accusative | -en |~|>|~|
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, this is one of the things that makes me suspect a bug. It seems 
>> those special table 'characters' interfere with one another both 
>> horizontally and vertically.
>>
>>
>> On my screen, the right border appears just fine. I wonder if its a 
>>> browser/platform issue?
>>>
>>
>> Also to the right of the gray "Plural" cell?  If yes, then yeah, probably 
>> browser or so. I'm on win10, chrome latest.
>>
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

That's uncanny. Better not let Taco at Trello know.

The list Arranger didn't work for me. Attempting to arrange lists made them 
disappear. Also, dragging notes with list items to the Arranger disappeared 
the note without adding the items anywhere that I could see.

Looks good --

Mark
Firefox 55.0.3 on Win 7

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:54:40 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Hi there.
>
> I was amused by the attempt made at Kanban TW. However, I did not need 
> that many features. So I went ahead a tried to do something on an empty 
> wiki. Add to that Telmiger's point that since we are mimicking the 
> functionality of Trello, might as well look like it too. One thing led to 
> another and here is Tekan. 
>
> Demo and Download: https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/
>
> I have given an outline on usage on the demo page. 
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> live long and prosper,
> Riz 
>
>   
>

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Re: [tw] tiddlyserver vs nodejs TW5

[Arlen Beiler]

First, how are they the same?

   - They both run in NodeJS.
   - They both mount "TiddlyWiki Folders" allowing you to edit the tiddlers
   stored in that data folder.
   - They both support Basic Auth.

How are they different? The "regular" NodeJS TW5 server loads a data folder
on startup and serves the browser a dynamically generated single-file
TiddlyWiki at its root (e.g. http://localhost/). The browser saves changes
to individual tiddlers back to the server via a simple API. This
drastically cuts down on the size of the upload when saving changes and is
especially good for serving and editing over the internet (if you trust its
basic auth AND are using SSL). However there is no way to access any static
files on the server. And if you want to serve more than one data folder at
a time, you need to start a new instance manually with a different port
number.

TiddlyServer is a simple file server that just serves static files as it
finds them, mimicing the way Apache serves a directory index. When the user
clicks on a regular NodeJS TW5 data folder (which is any folder with a
"tiddlywiki.json" file in it), however, it mounts an instance of the
regular TW5 server at that path (http://localhost/folder/mydatafolder). All
requests starting with that data folder path are then routed to that
instance of the TW5 server.

There are several advantages to this approach:

   - You can have multiple data folders served from one server, each with
   their own path.
   - You can put static files beside them and link directly to them using
   relative links.
   - You can open those static files directly in your browser (audio, pdfs,
   videos, etc) if your browser supports it.
   - You can put your folder setup on Dropbox or another file syncing
   system and then sync changes between computers. It works perfectly for
   syncing one computer at a time.
   - Static files can save themselves back to the server using a PUT
   request.

Neither of these work for syncing changes coming from several computers
unless you are very careful to completely reload TiddlyServer or NodeJS TW5
after all the changes are downloaded. NodeJS TW5 only loads the tiddlers on
startup and then stores them in memory and saves the changes back to disk.
TiddlyServer inherits this behaviour, but per data folder, meaning that you
can reload individual data folders to get the latest changes from disk
(using "?reload=true" on a path).

Also, neither of them are very safe online. They only use basic auth, so
you absolutely have to serve them over HTTPS. A reverse proxy that takes
care of authentication first would probably be a better way. So only serve
it on networks you trust. Otherwise just serve it on localhost, and you
should be good. Both of them should be immune to CSRF attacks, though, as
file saving happens using PUT and DELETE.

I would say they both respond about the same, and one is not more
future-proof than the other, except that NodeJS TW5 is the actual core
code, and TiddlyServer loads it as a dependency. The code that actually
integrates with NodeJS TW5 is about 10 lines, so it should be easy for any
TW5 programmer to figure out.

I hope that explains some things. Thank you, Mark S, for your comments. I
can give what I know, but it is good to hear it from someone else as well
because you get a different perspective.

Arlen

P.S. I am the one that wrote TiddlyServer (in case you didn't figure that
out yet), so that is the perspective I'm coming from. I love to hear other
peoples perspectives, though.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Dave  wrote:

> What are the main differences between tiddlyserver and "regular" nodejs
> TW5?
>

> Is one easier to set up (e.g. for computer non-professionals)?
>
Is one easier to maintain?
>
Is one better for one type of use vs another use case?
>
Is one more future-proof than the other?
>
Is one faster responding during normal use than the other?
>

>
> Here's an example use case:
>
> Have one master TW5 instance that can switch between folders and access
> thousands of different sets of TW data (e.g. customer files), possibly
> accessing different clients in different browser tabs, and ideally, being
> able to search and analyse data from several clients at once for analysing
> data patterns amoung all or certain subgroups.
>

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[tw] Re: Hide UnknownUser

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you really just want to get rid of the name, then edit 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle. Change contents to:


<$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="hide" tag="div" 
retain="yes" animate="yes">
<$view field="modified" format="date" 
template={{$:/language/Tiddler/DateFormat}}/>


It's actually easier to eliminate the entire subtitle. To get rid of the 
entire sub-title including name and date,  follow these directions from 
TiddlyWiki.com:


removing the SystemTag  
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate from the tiddler $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle 
> will remove the subtitles from all tiddlers.



Good luck,
Mark

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 5:36:44 PM UTC-7, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> I'd like to suppress the display of UnknownUser in the tiddler header.
>
> I just imported 700+ tiddlers from TWC, where I used to have them 
> suppressed.  I'm not asking how to tell TW5 what my user name is -- I just 
> want to turn off the display of the user name in the tiddler sub-header.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw] Disable CameCaseLinks in TWC-formatted Tiddlers in TW5

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

Oh my.  I imported 700+ TWC tiddlers from a wiki which has CamelCaseLinks 
disabled via a plugin.  Of course, that plugin won't work in TW5, and the 
TW5 control panel setting to "Enable automatic CamelCase linking" does not 
disable CamelCaseLinks in tiddlers marked type = text/x-tiddlywiki.

How can I disable CamelCaseLinking in text/x-tiddlywiki tiddlers?
TIA

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Mat,

Trial and error? I'm good at the error stuff. It's amazing you could find 
it so fast.

Here's some screen shots. You can see the right-most border is OK (Win 7, 
Firefox 55.0.3) but partially missing in Chrome.

Thanks!
Mark



On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:05:26 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 2:46:30 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mat!
>>
>> Is there/was there any strategy to follow? 
>>
>
> Ehm... trial and error.
>
>  
>
>> One thing that puzzles (ok, lots of things). This line:
>>
>> | Accusative | -en |~|>|~|
>>
>>
> Yes, this is one of the things that makes me suspect a bug. It seems those 
> special table 'characters' interfere with one another both horizontally and 
> vertically.
>
>
> On my screen, the right border appears just fine. I wonder if its a 
>> browser/platform issue?
>>
>
> Also to the right of the gray "Plural" cell?  If yes, then yeah, probably 
> browser or so. I'm on win10, chrome latest.
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

[Mat]

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 2:46:30 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Thanks Mat!
>
> Is there/was there any strategy to follow? 
>

Ehm... trial and error.

 

> One thing that puzzles (ok, lots of things). This line:
>
> | Accusative | -en |~|>|~|
>
>
Yes, this is one of the things that makes me suspect a bug. It seems those 
special table 'characters' interfere with one another both horizontally and 
vertically.


On my screen, the right border appears just fine. I wonder if its a 
> browser/platform issue?
>

Also to the right of the gray "Plural" cell?  If yes, then yeah, probably 
browser or so. I'm on win10, chrome latest.


<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[JWHoneycutt]

@ Mark S

I remember simple batch files, and appreciate how this is not that 
different.  Except that this feels entirely different.
 

> Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.
>>>
>>> Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and 
>>> name as "launch_tw.ps1"
>>>
>>> param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
>>> $copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
>>> $copyme = $copyme.FullName
>>> Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
>>> Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html
>>>
>>> For each TW you want to run, create a single line script. Here's an 
>>> example named tw_bible.bat:
>>>
>>> powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir 
>>> d:\data\apps\TW_Ant
>>>
>>> The "stem" name is the unique first part of the name (e.g. "bible" if 
>>> your tw is bible.html). The dir is the path to the directory where you want 
>>> to launch your TW from. If this is the first time using this system, copy 
>>> your most recent TW file to the download directory.
>>>
>>> Do a right click on the bat file and create a shortcut. Drag the 
>>> shortcut to your desktop.
>>>
>>> Now, whenever you want to launch your TW, just double-click on the 
>>> shortcut. Your default browser will come up with the TW in a tab.
>>>
>>> That's all there's to it. You launch your TW like you would any other 
>>> desktop app. Once it's loaded in your default browser, you can save with 
>>> the default mechanism, knowing the next time you want to run the tw you can 
>>> just click on the start-up icon. 
>>>
>>> None of this is harder to do than installing an executable and 
>>> configuring a server. The scripts are simple enough that they could be 
>>> typed out by hand if you were on a system cut off from the net.  
>>>
>>
I am hoping that IF a batch file is necessary (and easy) it autodetects the 
operating system, autoloads and autosaves.  Basically don't require me to 
know anything about it.  If I need to establish this batch file for each 
unique system and file, it's analogous to the difference between using an 
iphone and jailbreaking an iphone - not that hard (assuming you know what 
you are doing, and chose the right method, and don't upgrade, and ...)

My Mother can use an iphone, but I don't trust myself to jailbreak one 
(after a steep learning curve).

BTW, Does anybody actually USE TW5.html on their ipad or iphone? How?

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks Mat!

Is there/was there any strategy to follow? One thing that puzzles (ok, lots 
of things). This line:

| Accusative | -en |~|>|~|

According to the docs, this should merge the 4th cell with the final end 
cell to it's right. It doesn't, which is good for this table, but I don't 
understand why it works at all. 

On my screen, the right border appears just fine. I wonder if its a 
browser/platform issue?

Thanks!
Mark

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 5:11:41 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> (For *once *an opportunity to help Mark, rather than the other way 
> around!)
> (...or at least an attempt to do so...)
>
> This is the closest I get:
>
> | Weak FormAdjectives |>| Singular |<| Plural |h
> |~| Masculine | Neuter | Feminine |~|h
> | Nominative | -e | -e |<| -en |
> | Accusative | -en |~|>|~|
> | Dative | -en |<|<|~|
> | Genitive |~|>|>|~|
>
> I suspect there is a bug somewhere. For example, like in Richards 
> solution, the "Plural" has no right border but this is barely visible 
> thanks to the heading coloration.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Hide UnknownUser

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

I'd like to suppress the display of UnknownUser in the tiddler header.

I just imported 700+ tiddlers from TWC, where I used to have them 
suppressed.  I'm not asking how to tell TW5 what my user name is -- I just 
want to turn off the display of the user name in the tiddler sub-header.

Thanks!

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

[Mat]

(For *once *an opportunity to help Mark, rather than the other way around!)
(...or at least an attempt to do so...)

This is the closest I get:

| Weak FormAdjectives |>| Singular |<| Plural |h
|~| Masculine | Neuter | Feminine |~|h
| Nominative | -e | -e |<| -en |
| Accusative | -en |~|>|~|
| Dative | -en |<|<|~|
| Genitive |~|>|>|~|

I suspect there is a bug somewhere. For example, like in Richards solution, 
the "Plural" has no right border but this is barely visible thanks to the 
heading coloration.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks Richard,

But, the nom neut, nom fem, acc neut, and acc fem should all be merged as 
one cell. Those 4 cells in particular were the show-stopper for me: how to 
merge across and up/down at once without weird things happening?

Thanks!
Mark



On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 4:35:45 PM UTC-7, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> Try this
>
> @@border-right: 1px solid;
>> |weak form adjectives|>|singular|<|plural|
>> |~|masc|neut|fem|~|
>> |nom|-e|a|a| a |
>> |acc|-n|a|a|~|
>> |dat| -en |<|<|~|
>> |gen|~|>|>|~|
>> @@
>
>
> Includes a kludge because tables cells don't seem to have a right border 
> by default - must be to do with the way Jeremy has written the css. Not 
> sure if this counts as a bug, but it's an "edge case" (haha).
>
> Regards,
> Richard 
>
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 9:12:30 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I tried until I was cross-eyed, but things kept shifting into the wrong 
>> cell. The thing is, there's actually 4 cells to be merged (2 up, 2 across) .
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>

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[tw] Re: How would I make this table with wiki-text?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Try this

@@border-right: 1px solid;
> |weak form adjectives|>|singular|<|plural|
> |~|masc|neut|fem|~|
> |nom|-e|a|a| a |
> |acc|-n|a|a|~|
> |dat| -en |<|<|~|
> |gen|~|>|>|~|
> @@


Includes a kludge because tables cells don't seem to have a right border by 
default - must be to do with the way Jeremy has written the css. Not sure 
if this counts as a bug, but it's an "edge case" (haha).

Regards,
Richard 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 9:12:30 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I tried until I was cross-eyed, but things kept shifting into the wrong 
> cell. The thing is, there's actually 4 cells to be merged (2 up, 2 across) .
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

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[tw] How would I make this table with wiki-text?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I tried until I was cross-eyed, but things kept shifting into the wrong 
cell. The thing is, there's actually 4 cells to be merged (2 up, 2 across) .

Thanks!
Mark

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Re: [tw] Re: Fountain Parser for a screenwriting tool

[Jan]

Dear Mark, dear Josiah


The HTML/iframe approach I used was much simpler, because all I had to 
do was pass the frame the Markup text converted by Fountain.js to HTML 
(plus a little CSS up front). If the results of that approach are 
adequate (e.g. you don't hate iframe rendering) then I can imagine a 
more universal syntax approach. Maybe the top of the page would have 
instructions:


#REG/\.s\s(.+)$/\1
#REG/\.r\s(.+)$/\2
#REGG/something-i-want-to-replace-globally/\1


I haven't worked out the full syntax obviously. It would be something 
like Skeeve's pragma thing, but without the controversy since we're 
not trying the really complicated approach of modifying the parser 
(which is still something like voodoo magic to me).




I would love to have that "something-i-want-to-replace-globally"-thing 
working on the text of some filtered tiddlers...


I made a beta of the screenwriting-thing i am working on to make you 
understand wht I am after...(The UI is in german i use it for my theatre 
class at school...I remember you desired some German Josiah...It can be 
changed by replacing the dictionaryTiddler)


It can be found at storywriting.tiddlyspot.com

It has also got Textcompletition, A scene Manager (behind the 
curtains...), role-alias-cast manager and so forth. The formating 
changes between mobile-layout (because my pupils use their phone to read 
the texts) and a print/dektop one. Role-names are transcluded and the 
rolemanager in the sidebar detect which roles are used but not defined 
yet. A completition of rolenames while typing can be activated with the 
button...


Please have a look at it...
Jan




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Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Tiddlyserver is great. Thanks very much for the work you've done on it. 
It's worked flawlessly for me so far.

In my opinion, the 'default' saving mechanism is badly flawed to the extent 
that there is no auto-save. That's enough to stop me from using it.

At the moment, I do all my writing in Tiddlywiki but if I had to rely on my 
stupid brain remembering to save my work all the time (like in the bad old 
days) I think I would have to switch to generating content in a 
wordprocessor and flipping it across into TW, it's that important.

Although the bloat on electron apps is indeed comical, I may nevertheless 
have a 'play' and see if I can make it work as an electron app. I'm also 
exploring how I might make a raspberry pi image available for people to use 
(the 'obvious' way is to seed a torrent of it somewhere, perhaps also on my 
raspberry pi!)


On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 5:26:53 AM UTC+10, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> My bad, I see I misunderstood you. Yes, I think having many options 
> available to us is a good thing.
>
> TiddlyServer will serve any file in any directory it is told to serve. 
> Whether or not it will have the correct content-type header is another 
> matter, but if it doesn't, please feel free to open an issue on Github. 
>
> Also, would relative links work for you? It would seem like that would be 
> supported by both, regardless of protocol, etc. It depends on your file 
> layout, but as you said you could change them, which seems to indicate that 
> relative links should work fine. 
>
> Yes, I will continue to support TiddlyServer in my spare time. I actually 
> took off work at times to work on it, but now it is going to have to be a 
> spare time project unless maybe if people support it via PayPal. 
> TiddlyServer has stabilized now so it is a lot less work to maintain.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. Enjoy!
> Arlen
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I didn't say setting up TiddlyServer was so hard. I said that setting up 
>> a batch file is no harder than setting up a server. 
>>
>> Multiple options is always a good thing. I'm trying to point out that 
>> there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the default save mechanism. Each 
>> approach is likely to have some sort of drawback. For instance, when I'm 
>> running TiddlyServer my external links to local files no longer work. I 
>> could change them to use the server system path, but then they wouldn't 
>> work when I moved them to a device. TiddlyServer won't run on my aging 
>> Android (Termux isn't available until KitKit) so I would need 2 different 
>> links for the 2 different ways of working.
>>
>> Also, TiddlyServer doesn't serve up MHT files. I realize that most people 
>> don't know about MHT, which is a shame. Once you've started using MHT 
>> files, you realize that this one of the most convenient ways to capture web 
>> pages. Of course, it might be the end of the road for MHT when FF57 comes 
>> out -- no way to know for sure until it happens. Pardon me if this already 
>> exists, but it would be nice if there was a way to tell TS to go ahead and 
>> serve up files of a particular extension. Then it will be up to the user to 
>> know if their browser or set up can handle that particular file type.
>>
>> One of my other concerns is that I wasn't sure based on your prior 
>> comments whether you were going to continue to support TS, or if you were 
>> going to direct your attentions to a commercial product.
>>
>> Anyways. TiddlyServer is a very nice setup. It might even be the one I 
>> eventually go with. But I don't think people should overlook the default 
>> save mechanism just because it isn't convenient out of the box.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 8:35:45 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark, 
>>> I'm wondering why you think TiddlyServer is hard to set up. I'm curious 
>>> if you've tried it yet, and if you have, I would be happy to answer any 
>>> questions you have and/or walk you through the setup, since it will help me 
>>> know how to write the documentation. How can I help you use TiddlyServer to 
>>> accomplish what you need?
>>>
>>> Always good to explore other options though.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Arlen
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:48 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I forget that a lot of people find script files something mysterious. 
 In the early days before the registry, everyone using a computer had to 
 know about bat files when doing software installs. 

 Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.

 Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and 
 name as "launch_tw.ps1"

 param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
 $copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
 $copyme = $copyme.FullName
 Copy-Item $copyme -Destination 

[tw] Re: Retitle a tiddler - conceptually easy - HA!

[RichardWilliamSmith]

If you're using chrome, it's probably easier to paste the code as a 
'snippet' into the sources panel of the dev tools and run it from there.

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:30:19 AM UTC+10, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> The Developer Console in Chrome is usually accessed by pressing F12 while 
> on the tab/page you want to inspect. "Console" will be one of the tabs (w/ 
> debug output from TW). Paste PMario's code into the input bos at the bottom 
> with the "> " symbol. Other browsers may have other methods to access their 
> dev console.
>
> BTW, that a neat trick. :)
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-7, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>> by copy paste into my developer console - you mean just add a new tiddler 
>> called "PMario step 1"  with the body containing your code (stripped of 
>> comments) and save it - and it is going to reveal me a list of tiddlers to 
>> check??? 
>>
>> Developer console must be something else...
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [Noteself] load error using empty.html ($tw.boot.boot is not a function)

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Sorry I hadn't seen this thread before I posted previously. This is the 
same issue that I'm having, on both Chrome and Firefox. The issue is not 
present when the same file is loaded over the file api.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:09:47 PM UTC+10, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I need to correct my assessment with Chrome. Although Chrome does not 
> exhibit the multiple-reload behavior, it does report the same error on the 
> javascript console:
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:26:32 AM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> Now that I'm at work, I can add Chrome 59 to my list. It works without 
>> issue.
>>
>> I'm thinking it might be something to do with either Firefox in general 
>> or my particular set-up of Firefox. Can someone else see if it's doing the 
>> same multiple-reload thing for you too or if it's just me?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: tiddlyserver vs nodejs TW5

[Dave]

Thank you both, that's very helpful.

Clarifying question:

Is it possible to 
A) have a single "front end" TW5 (whether a single file or multiple - I'm 
still a little foggy on how this works) that can "look up" a client from 
all the subdirectories, and load that, save all the changes to that 
client's info in the subdirectory, then search for the next client's name 
to load that...
or
B) would I be required to have each client be a separate self contained TW?

the reason being, if I want to make changes in how the front end TW does 
stuff with the client's content, in the case of A), I'd just have to do it 
once, but in B) I'd have to change each TW file.

Thanks again

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[tw] Re: tiddlyserver vs nodejs TW5

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Just so you're clear on the distinction - Tiddlyserver is using the Node 
server to do what  it's doing, along with some clever stuff that Arlen 
added. So it's a superset. The main advantages are that you can use it with 
single file wikis and you only need to run one process.

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 5:41:57 AM UTC+10, Dave wrote:
>
> What are the main differences between tiddlyserver and "regular" nodejs 
> TW5?
>
> Is one easier to set up (e.g. for computer non-professionals)? 
> Is one easier to maintain? 
> Is one better for one type of use vs another use case? 
> Is one more future-proof than the other?
> Is one faster responding during normal use than the other?
>
>
> Here's an example use case: 
>
> Have one master TW5 instance that can switch between folders and access 
> thousands of different sets of TW data (e.g. customer files), possibly 
> accessing different clients in different browser tabs, and ideally, being 
> able to search and analyse data from several clients at once for analysing 
> data patterns amoung all or certain subgroups.
>
>
> Thanks!
> - Dave
>

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[tw] Re: tiddlyserver vs nodejs TW5

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello,

My observations (YMMV):

1. Tiddlyserver is easier to set up because you can just drop some files 
into a folder, configure a file, and go.
2. The maintenance would be if something goes wrong. Probably about the same
3. TiddlyServer can serve up Individual TW's as well as TW's based on 
separate tiddler files. So it's definitely better if your main concern is 
single TW files.
4. Node.js is probably slightly more future safe since it's not dependent 
on a single individual. Somewhat irrelevant since you could always switch.
5. Performance is probably the same, depending more on whether you serve up 
single TW files or TW's that are based on multiple tiddlers.

Only TiddlyServer (TS) can allow you to view external images and pdfs on 
relative pathways. Only TS can allow you to have multiple tabs, each with a 
different TW file, all on the same port number.

I was not able to use TiddlyServer for shadow tiddler development in a GIT 
repository. I had to launch from node.js using special syntax.

Summary: TS is better for most people in most cases. Node is necessary for 
certain kinds of github-related development. 

I'm not sure I understand the details of your use case.

Good luck,

Mark

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 12:41:57 PM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>
> What are the main differences between tiddlyserver and "regular" nodejs 
> TW5?
>
> Is one easier to set up (e.g. for computer non-professionals)? 
> Is one easier to maintain? 
> Is one better for one type of use vs another use case? 
> Is one more future-proof than the other?
> Is one faster responding during normal use than the other?
>
>
> Here's an example use case: 
>
> Have one master TW5 instance that can switch between folders and access 
> thousands of different sets of TW data (e.g. customer files), possibly 
> accessing different clients in different browser tabs, and ideally, being 
> able to search and analyse data from several clients at once for analysing 
> data patterns amoung all or certain subgroups.
>
>
> Thanks!
> - Dave
>

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[tw] Re: Retitle a tiddler - conceptually easy - HA!

[Joshua Fontany]

The Developer Console in a Chrome is usually accessed by pressing F12 while 
on the tab/page you want to inspect. "Console" will be one of the tabs (w/ 
debug output from TW). Paste PMario's code into the input bos at the bottom 
with the "> " symbol. Other browsers may have other methods to access their 
dev console.

BTW, that a neat trick. :)

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 1:06:53 PM UTC-7, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
> by copy paste into my developer console - you mean just add a new tiddler 
> called "PMario step 1"  with the body containing your code (stripped of 
> comments) and save it - and it is going to reveal me a list of tiddlers to 
> check??? 
>
> Developer console must be something else...
>

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[tw] Re: Retitle a tiddler - conceptually easy - HA!

[JWHoneycutt]

@PMario

I will just remove the "//" and everything that follows to the end of the 
line (remove all comments and keep the programming)

I did create 2 short scripts, that you can copy paste into your developer 
> console and execute there. 
> ...
> The following script doesn't modify anything. 
> It just outputs a list of new tiddler names. ... 
>

by copy paste into my developer console - you mean just add a new tiddler 
called "PMario step 1"  with the body containing your code (stripped of 
comments) and save it - and it is going to reveal me a list of tiddlers to 
check??? 

Developer console must be something else...

 

>
> "use strict";
> // read existing tiddlers
> var titles = $tw.wiki.getTiddlers();
>
> var newTitle = function (elem) {
> var xx,
>   match = elem.match(/(.+)(\d{4}-\d?\d-\d?\d)(.*)/);
> if (match != null) {
> // matched text: match[0]
> // match start: match.index
> // capturing group n: match[n]
>
> // swap matches
> if (match[1] && match[2]) {
> xx = match[2] + " " + match[1]
> }
>
> // If there is some text after the date append it
> // format:  --
> // just change the "--"   to your likings
> if (match[3]) xx = xx + "--" + match[3];
>
> return xx.trim(); // trim() removes trailing spaces
> } else {
> return elem;
> }
> }
>
> // create new titles
> var newTitles = titles.map(newTitle)
>
> newTitles.map(function(elem) {console.log(elem)})
>
>
>
> *Second step *- *Danger Zone*
> If the frist step went OK, you can use the second function to rewrite your 
> titles. 
>
> WARNING - Use a BACKUP !!
>
> "use strict";
> // read existing tiddlers
> var titles = $tw.wiki.getTiddlers();
>
> var rewriteTitles = function (elem) {
> var xx,
> match = elem.match(/(.+)(\d{4}-\d?\d-\d?\d)(.*)/);
> if (match != null) {
> // matched text: match[0]
> // match start: match.index
> // capturing group n: match[n]
>
> // swap matches
> if (match[1] && match[2]) {
> xx = match[2] + " " + match[1]
> }
>
> // If there is some text after the date append it
> // format:  --
> // just change the "--"   to your likings
> if (match[3]) xx = xx + "--" + match[3];
>
> var tid = $tw.wiki.getTiddler(elem)
> 
> xx.trim(); // trim() removes trailing spaces
>
> // danger zone ...
> if (tid) {
>   $tw.wiki.addTiddler(new $tw.Tiddler(tid, {title: xx}));
>   $tw.wiki.deleteTiddler(elem);
>
>   // create some feedback
>   console.log(elem, "-->", xx);
> }
>
> return xx; 
> } else {
> return elem;
> }
> }
>
> // Enter the Danger Zone!
> // BACKUP - BACKUP - BACKUP before you execute this!
>
> // You need to uncomment the next line to excute the function!!
> // titles.map(rewriteTitles);
>
>
>
> Depending on the number of tiddlers, this may take some time. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Retitle a tiddler - conceptually easy - HA!

[JWHoneycutt]

@PMario

How exciting...

Thank you for the code - I take your warning to heart and created a backup 
TW5.html, renamed it, and am working on it in a separate "sandbox".

For some reason, all your comments start with "//" - but for my 
implementation of TW5, this just italicizes the text that follows, and 
therefore doesn't run.

It must be one of my loaded plugins?
 
 
*adds the ability to encrypt single tiddlers*
$:/plugins/danielo/encryptTiddler
*2.1*
<#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fdanielo%2FencryptTiddler>
 
 
*Context search - provides visual highlight of search results*
$:/plugins/danielo515/ContextPlugin
*2.1.0*
<#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fdanielo515%2FContextPlugin>
 
 
*rQuickTid - attention-free note taking*$:/plugins/TWaddle/rQuickTid
*1.0.9*
<#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FTWaddle%2FrQuickTid>
 
 
*TiddlyWiki5 core*$:/core
*5.1.14*
<#%24%3A%2Fcore>

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[tw] Re: Retitle a tiddler - conceptually easy - HA!

[JWHoneycutt]

@Mark S

Thank you. You wrote:

In database theory, one of the central tenets is to use each field to do 
> only one thing. TW already breaks this by using the Title field for a title 
> and an ID. Now you want to also use it for a date field.
>

Agreed, except that BECAUSE the title is the ID, and each is unique, if I 
remove the date from the title I have 100 tiddlers all trying to share the 
title "Staff meeting"
 

> Why not extract the dates and put them in their own date field (e.g. 
> actiondate). Then you can sort on that field. This has the additional 
> benefit of not breaking any existing links.
>

Also a good idea, except that my sorts look like this, and I am still 
working on figuring out "second order sorts"
 <> 
 
JWHoneycutt

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[tw] tiddlyserver vs nodejs TW5

[Dave]

What are the main differences between tiddlyserver and "regular" nodejs TW5?

Is one easier to set up (e.g. for computer non-professionals)? 
Is one easier to maintain? 
Is one better for one type of use vs another use case? 
Is one more future-proof than the other?
Is one faster responding during normal use than the other?


Here's an example use case: 

Have one master TW5 instance that can switch between folders and access 
thousands of different sets of TW data (e.g. customer files), possibly 
accessing different clients in different browser tabs, and ideally, being 
able to search and analyse data from several clients at once for analysing 
data patterns amoung all or certain subgroups.


Thanks!
- Dave

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Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[Arlen Beiler]

My bad, I see I misunderstood you. Yes, I think having many options
available to us is a good thing.

TiddlyServer will serve any file in any directory it is told to serve.
Whether or not it will have the correct content-type header is another
matter, but if it doesn't, please feel free to open an issue on Github.

Also, would relative links work for you? It would seem like that would be
supported by both, regardless of protocol, etc. It depends on your file
layout, but as you said you could change them, which seems to indicate that
relative links should work fine.

Yes, I will continue to support TiddlyServer in my spare time. I actually
took off work at times to work on it, but now it is going to have to be a
spare time project unless maybe if people support it via PayPal.
TiddlyServer has stabilized now so it is a lot less work to maintain.

Thanks for your thoughts. Enjoy!
Arlen

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:17 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I didn't say setting up TiddlyServer was so hard. I said that setting up a
> batch file is no harder than setting up a server.
>
> Multiple options is always a good thing. I'm trying to point out that
> there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the default save mechanism. Each
> approach is likely to have some sort of drawback. For instance, when I'm
> running TiddlyServer my external links to local files no longer work. I
> could change them to use the server system path, but then they wouldn't
> work when I moved them to a device. TiddlyServer won't run on my aging
> Android (Termux isn't available until KitKit) so I would need 2 different
> links for the 2 different ways of working.
>
> Also, TiddlyServer doesn't serve up MHT files. I realize that most people
> don't know about MHT, which is a shame. Once you've started using MHT
> files, you realize that this one of the most convenient ways to capture web
> pages. Of course, it might be the end of the road for MHT when FF57 comes
> out -- no way to know for sure until it happens. Pardon me if this already
> exists, but it would be nice if there was a way to tell TS to go ahead and
> serve up files of a particular extension. Then it will be up to the user to
> know if their browser or set up can handle that particular file type.
>
> One of my other concerns is that I wasn't sure based on your prior
> comments whether you were going to continue to support TS, or if you were
> going to direct your attentions to a commercial product.
>
> Anyways. TiddlyServer is a very nice setup. It might even be the one I
> eventually go with. But I don't think people should overlook the default
> save mechanism just because it isn't convenient out of the box.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 8:35:45 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>> I'm wondering why you think TiddlyServer is hard to set up. I'm curious
>> if you've tried it yet, and if you have, I would be happy to answer any
>> questions you have and/or walk you through the setup, since it will help me
>> know how to write the documentation. How can I help you use TiddlyServer to
>> accomplish what you need?
>>
>> Always good to explore other options though.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Arlen
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:48 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I forget that a lot of people find script files something mysterious. In
>>> the early days before the registry, everyone using a computer had to know
>>> about bat files when doing software installs.
>>>
>>> Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.
>>>
>>> Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and
>>> name as "launch_tw.ps1"
>>>
>>> param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
>>> $copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
>>> $copyme = $copyme.FullName
>>> Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
>>> Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html
>>>
>>> For each TW you want to run, create a single line script. Here's an
>>> example named tw_bible.bat:
>>>
>>> powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir
>>> d:\data\apps\TW_Ant
>>>
>>> The "stem" name is the unique first part of the name (e.g. "bible" if
>>> your tw is bible.html). The dir is the path to the directory where you want
>>> to launch your TW from. If this is the first time using this system, copy
>>> your most recent TW file to the download directory.
>>>
>>> Do a right click on the bat file and create a shortcut. Drag the
>>> shortcut to your desktop.
>>>
>>> Now, whenever you want to launch your TW, just double-click on the
>>> shortcut. Your default browser will come up with the TW in a tab.
>>>
>>> That's all there's to it. You launch your TW like you would any other
>>> desktop app. Once it's loaded in your default browser, you can save with
>>> the default mechanism, knowing the next time you want to run the tw you can
>>> just click on the start-up icon.
>>>
>>> None of 

Re: [tw] Re: A little help for Saving on a PHP Server

[Antonio Mikulić]

Hi,

I also have some issues with autosaving on selfhosted TW.
I uploaded 2 files ( store.php and index.html) on the server. 
In saving my setup looks like:
Wikiname: Usernameisetinphpstore
Password: PasswordIsetinphpstore
ServerURL: wiki.hostname.xyz/store.php 

As I press Save, it says: Starting to save wiki
but nothing happens afterwards.

I set permissions 777 to folder and these 2 files ( I am aware of security 
concerns, this is just testing VPS), and put max_upload_size to 20MB in 
php.ini.
Do you have any other suggestion?


On Monday, 18 September 2017 19:03:29 UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:40:44 PM UTC-5, RichShumaker wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> I changed the permissions on my server folder to 777(probably overkill 
>> and not wise should only need a change to the store.php file).
>> Once I changed permissions it worked and boom goes the dynamite I am up 
>> and running.
>> ...
>>
>
> And in a little while, boom goes the hacker as they take over your server.
>
> The store.php file should be readable by the system user account that you 
> web server runs under (typically www). In most cases it should not need to 
> be executable (but might be needed if PHP is being picky). It should most 
> definitely NOT be writable by the www user.
>
> The directory that you put the tiddlywiki file in needs to be both 
> readable and writable by the system user account that your web server run 
> under. This allows store.php to actually write the file. It will also allow 
> store.php (or any other process run under that user account) to write any 
> file at all to that directory.
>
> In theory, you could make only the specific tiddlywiki file (and the 
> backup directory that store.php keeps old versions) writable but not the 
> directory that the main file is actually stored in. I haven't tried this.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Keybind to save a tiddler in edit mode without exiting the edit mode

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Peuhpeuh

If I understand your suggestion right, you would like to update the 
original tiddler’s text field only – and leave tags, fields and title 
unsaved. Correct?

That sounds doable. I will think it through and maybe test a bit. It might 
in fact work for everything except the title … because changing this ID is 
the tricky part in the whole draft process.

Cheers, Thomas


Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017 11:28:41 UTC+2 schrieb peuhpeuh singe:
>
> @Thomas Elmiger: Thanks for sharing this nice work. I have suggestion 
> concerning the issue that the tiddler is saved and reopened and that by 
> consequence the cursor position is lost. 
> Do you think it would be reasonable, instead of close-and-save and open, 
> to copy the  content of "Draft of 'TiddlerName'" to "TiddlerName" ? I guess 
> this would avoid to close the current edit ?
>
> Thanks, 
> P.
>
>
> Le vendredi 15 septembre 2017 10:39:43 UTC+2, peuhpeuh singe a écrit :
>>
>> Hello twexpert,
>>
>>  Short version : How can I define a keybind to save a tiddler from sthe 
>> edit mode without exiting the edit mode ?
>>
>> Longer version: (not sure it is relevant but who know)
>>
>> * Background:
>>
>> I am currenlty using tiddlywiki to write small pieces of scripts that are 
>> sourced by my programming env directly from the html files.
>>
>> For example in R in write a small function: 
>> tw.source(nameOfTiddler,pathToTiddlyWikiFile) that simply imports the code 
>> written in the given tiddler into my R env.  
>>
>> * Question:
>>
>> One practical problem I have is that I need to save the tiddler to move 
>> the modification from the draft version of the tiddler to the actual 
>> tiddler (which is a good thing). But the only way I found to do it quickly 
>> is to  to save and exit the tiddler but I then have to reopen it 
>> to edit other changes, which is really inconvenient when I make a 
>> incremental code modification... I would like to be able to save a tiddler 
>> from the edit mode with exiting the edit mode using a simple keybind but 
>> not know how to do it. 
>>
>> Thks all for doing this incredible tool, that I use increasingly !
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I didn't say setting up TiddlyServer was so hard. I said that setting up a 
batch file is no harder than setting up a server. 

Multiple options is always a good thing. I'm trying to point out that there 
is nothing intrinsically wrong with the default save mechanism. Each 
approach is likely to have some sort of drawback. For instance, when I'm 
running TiddlyServer my external links to local files no longer work. I 
could change them to use the server system path, but then they wouldn't 
work when I moved them to a device. TiddlyServer won't run on my aging 
Android (Termux isn't available until KitKit) so I would need 2 different 
links for the 2 different ways of working.

Also, TiddlyServer doesn't serve up MHT files. I realize that most people 
don't know about MHT, which is a shame. Once you've started using MHT 
files, you realize that this one of the most convenient ways to capture web 
pages. Of course, it might be the end of the road for MHT when FF57 comes 
out -- no way to know for sure until it happens. Pardon me if this already 
exists, but it would be nice if there was a way to tell TS to go ahead and 
serve up files of a particular extension. Then it will be up to the user to 
know if their browser or set up can handle that particular file type.

One of my other concerns is that I wasn't sure based on your prior comments 
whether you were going to continue to support TS, or if you were going to 
direct your attentions to a commercial product.

Anyways. TiddlyServer is a very nice setup. It might even be the one I 
eventually go with. But I don't think people should overlook the default 
save mechanism just because it isn't convenient out of the box.

Thanks!
Mark

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 8:35:45 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hi Mark, 
> I'm wondering why you think TiddlyServer is hard to set up. I'm curious if 
> you've tried it yet, and if you have, I would be happy to answer any 
> questions you have and/or walk you through the setup, since it will help me 
> know how to write the documentation. How can I help you use TiddlyServer to 
> accomplish what you need?
>
> Always good to explore other options though.
>
> Thanks,
> -Arlen
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:48 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I forget that a lot of people find script files something mysterious. In 
>> the early days before the registry, everyone using a computer had to know 
>> about bat files when doing software installs. 
>>
>> Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.
>>
>> Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and 
>> name as "launch_tw.ps1"
>>
>> param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
>> $copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
>> $copyme = $copyme.FullName
>> Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
>> Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html
>>
>> For each TW you want to run, create a single line script. Here's an 
>> example named tw_bible.bat:
>>
>> powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir 
>> d:\data\apps\TW_Ant
>>
>> The "stem" name is the unique first part of the name (e.g. "bible" if 
>> your tw is bible.html). The dir is the path to the directory where you want 
>> to launch your TW from. If this is the first time using this system, copy 
>> your most recent TW file to the download directory.
>>
>> Do a right click on the bat file and create a shortcut. Drag the shortcut 
>> to your desktop.
>>
>> Now, whenever you want to launch your TW, just double-click on the 
>> shortcut. Your default browser will come up with the TW in a tab.
>>
>> That's all there's to it. You launch your TW like you would any other 
>> desktop app. Once it's loaded in your default browser, you can save with 
>> the default mechanism, knowing the next time you want to run the tw you can 
>> just click on the start-up icon. 
>>
>> None of this is harder to do than installing an executable and 
>> configuring a server. The scripts are simple enough that they could be 
>> typed out by hand if you were on a system cut off from the net.  
>>
>> Caveats: As always, be sure to make a backup of your TW file, especially 
>> the first time you use this (if you're still using the TiddlyFox plugin, 
>> this approach might over-write your most recent TW file from a previous 
>> file in your download directory.) At the end of a session, if you need your 
>> file to synch somewhere (e.g. it's in a dropbox folder) then just run the 
>> shortcut again to copy over the most recent version. There might be more 
>> tweaking -- I don't have any beta testers yet! ;-)  I used it for a week 
>> and everything was fine (I'm using TiddlyFox as long as I can).
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 10:06:53 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't understand your objection in #2. You're saying you'd rather 
>>> install an entire server or application on your system rather than deal 
>>> with a 5-line 

Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[Arlen Beiler]

Hi Mark,
I'm wondering why you think TiddlyServer is hard to set up. I'm curious if
you've tried it yet, and if you have, I would be happy to answer any
questions you have and/or walk you through the setup, since it will help me
know how to write the documentation. How can I help you use TiddlyServer to
accomplish what you need?

Always good to explore other options though.

Thanks,
-Arlen

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:48 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I forget that a lot of people find script files something mysterious. In
> the early days before the registry, everyone using a computer had to know
> about bat files when doing software installs.
>
> Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.
>
> Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and name
> as "launch_tw.ps1"
>
> param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
> $copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
> $copyme = $copyme.FullName
> Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
> Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html
>
> For each TW you want to run, create a single line script. Here's an
> example named tw_bible.bat:
>
> powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir
> d:\data\apps\TW_Ant
>
> The "stem" name is the unique first part of the name (e.g. "bible" if your
> tw is bible.html). The dir is the path to the directory where you want to
> launch your TW from. If this is the first time using this system, copy your
> most recent TW file to the download directory.
>
> Do a right click on the bat file and create a shortcut. Drag the shortcut
> to your desktop.
>
> Now, whenever you want to launch your TW, just double-click on the
> shortcut. Your default browser will come up with the TW in a tab.
>
> That's all there's to it. You launch your TW like you would any other
> desktop app. Once it's loaded in your default browser, you can save with
> the default mechanism, knowing the next time you want to run the tw you can
> just click on the start-up icon.
>
> None of this is harder to do than installing an executable and configuring
> a server. The scripts are simple enough that they could be typed out by
> hand if you were on a system cut off from the net.
>
> Caveats: As always, be sure to make a backup of your TW file, especially
> the first time you use this (if you're still using the TiddlyFox plugin,
> this approach might over-write your most recent TW file from a previous
> file in your download directory.) At the end of a session, if you need your
> file to synch somewhere (e.g. it's in a dropbox folder) then just run the
> shortcut again to copy over the most recent version. There might be more
> tweaking -- I don't have any beta testers yet! ;-)  I used it for a week
> and everything was fine (I'm using TiddlyFox as long as I can).
>
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 10:06:53 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand your objection in #2. You're saying you'd rather
>> install an entire server or application on your system rather than deal
>> with a 5-line batch file?
>>
>> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you all for the thoughtful replies.
>>>
>>> It seems as though there is confusion about the best way forward.
>>>
>>> 1) TiddlyFox is going away sometime - so I don't want to get too
>>> enamored with it (Yes it is an installed add-on (Legacy) that does not work
>>> for me now)
>>> 2) @Mark S - The beauty of a solution that works every time is ideal,
>>> except that you then proceed to explain that the default save has a "pain
>>> in the ass" character to it involving don't forget to's or batch like
>>> this...
>>> 3) I have tried NoteSelf, and lost enough info due to my lack of
>>> understanding how simple it is - "just use it" becomes "just keep retyping
>>> the same tiddlers"
>>> 4) I am totally willing to jump away from a single file system and into
>>> Node.JS, but as a newbie it acts strange, pulling up things I didn't mean
>>> to be in this directory... and I just don't understand it yet (but I think
>>> I would like it)
>>> 5) TiddlyDesktop is my one and only savior - it is the ONLY way I
>>> currently know how to reliably update a tiddler, save to Dropbox, and find
>>> it later.
>>>
>>> I can live with that.  the only problem is when I link to an external
>>> TW5.html file, it loads it in FireFox, and I have to remember NOT TO UPDATE
>>> IT THERE - use only for reference. If I want to start typing, I have to
>>> remember to launch it directly from TiddlyDesktop independently.
>>>
>>> Does this thinking make sense?
>>>
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[tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I forget that a lot of people find script files something mysterious. In 
the early days before the registry, everyone using a computer had to know 
about bat files when doing software installs. 

Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.

Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and name 
as "launch_tw.ps1"

param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
$copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
$copyme = $copyme.FullName
Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html

For each TW you want to run, create a single line script. Here's an example 
named tw_bible.bat:

powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir 
d:\data\apps\TW_Ant

The "stem" name is the unique first part of the name (e.g. "bible" if your 
tw is bible.html). The dir is the path to the directory where you want to 
launch your TW from. If this is the first time using this system, copy your 
most recent TW file to the download directory.

Do a right click on the bat file and create a shortcut. Drag the shortcut 
to your desktop.

Now, whenever you want to launch your TW, just double-click on the 
shortcut. Your default browser will come up with the TW in a tab.

That's all there's to it. You launch your TW like you would any other 
desktop app. Once it's loaded in your default browser, you can save with 
the default mechanism, knowing the next time you want to run the tw you can 
just click on the start-up icon. 

None of this is harder to do than installing an executable and configuring 
a server. The scripts are simple enough that they could be typed out by 
hand if you were on a system cut off from the net.  

Caveats: As always, be sure to make a backup of your TW file, especially 
the first time you use this (if you're still using the TiddlyFox plugin, 
this approach might over-write your most recent TW file from a previous 
file in your download directory.) At the end of a session, if you need your 
file to synch somewhere (e.g. it's in a dropbox folder) then just run the 
shortcut again to copy over the most recent version. There might be more 
tweaking -- I don't have any beta testers yet! ;-)  I used it for a week 
and everything was fine (I'm using TiddlyFox as long as I can).


Mark

On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 10:06:53 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I don't understand your objection in #2. You're saying you'd rather 
> install an entire server or application on your system rather than deal 
> with a 5-line batch file?
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>> Thank you all for the thoughtful replies.
>>
>> It seems as though there is confusion about the best way forward.
>>
>> 1) TiddlyFox is going away sometime - so I don't want to get too enamored 
>> with it (Yes it is an installed add-on (Legacy) that does not work for me 
>> now)
>> 2) @Mark S - The beauty of a solution that works every time is ideal, 
>> except that you then proceed to explain that the default save has a "pain 
>> in the ass" character to it involving don't forget to's or batch like 
>> this...
>> 3) I have tried NoteSelf, and lost enough info due to my lack of 
>> understanding how simple it is - "just use it" becomes "just keep retyping 
>> the same tiddlers"
>> 4) I am totally willing to jump away from a single file system and into 
>> Node.JS, but as a newbie it acts strange, pulling up things I didn't mean 
>> to be in this directory... and I just don't understand it yet (but I think 
>> I would like it)
>> 5) TiddlyDesktop is my one and only savior - it is the ONLY way I 
>> currently know how to reliably update a tiddler, save to Dropbox, and find 
>> it later.
>>
>> I can live with that.  the only problem is when I link to an external 
>> TW5.html file, it loads it in FireFox, and I have to remember NOT TO UPDATE 
>> IT THERE - use only for reference. If I want to start typing, I have to 
>> remember to launch it directly from TiddlyDesktop independently.
>>
>> Does this thinking make sense?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[Jim W]

>From the FirefoxESR page: "Who is it not for? Individual users who always 
want the latest features, performance enhancements and technologies in 
their browser without waiting for them to become available in ESR several 
development cycles later."

Unfortunately I fall into that camp but the further I look into FF57 (I 
think I've been caught off guard since most of my preferred add-ons are 
getting the ax and no word on 57+ updates) I might be using FirefoxESR 
while I try to settle on a new browser. As far as TiddlyWiki the replies 
here have really helped, I'll be looking into converting over to Node.JS or 
maybe dig into TiddlyServer.

On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:46:53 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> Jim: I don't really like the idea of using something like FirefoxESR
>
> Why? Has it got diseases? Lol. 
>
> Its just Firefox that lags behind on cutting edge. But it has full 
> security updates. Once 57 fully comes in it will be the ONLY Mozilla 
> supported Firefox left that will run TiddlyFox. It should continue to run 
> TidelyFox till March, or later, next year.
> Notte
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: Is Anyone Using Noteself Successfully?

[Lost Admin]

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:00:03 AM UTC-4, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> sorry for repeated posting. I downloaded a fresh copy of Noteself from 
> github and uploaded it to a local Apache web server (on the Raspberry pi) 
> and it exhibits weird behaviour - it appears to keep refreshing itself (the 
> 'loading' bar gets to ~10-50% at random). *The console in Firefox doesn't 
> show anything for some reason*, but in Chrome it says "empty.html:280 
> Something went wrong booting tiddlywiki  TypeError: $tw.boot.boot is not a 
> function at empty.html:278 at ". Same file works fine from the 
> filing system. Web server appears fine otherwise, get similar syptoms on a 
> public server but have since also seen it load there.
>

By default, Firefox clears the Javascript console on page refresh. If you 
disable that functionality, you will see the same error message(s). Or, 
 have a look at the screenshots I took that show the same 
issue: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sTAGedJxe6k

I'm glad to know it's not just me.

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Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[Arlen Beiler]

No, I haven't. The main reason is because it keeps the file size down: 2 MB
vs 80 MB. I guess there is nothing that would prevent someone from doing
it, though.

I am also thinking that TiddlyServer may be the permanent TiddlyFox/Chrome
saving solution. It had been discussed in Hangouts, and the first version
was similar to TiddlyDesktop. In an effort to cut down on complexity and
bugs I completely skipped all the management stuff and just made it
file-system-based when I wrote version 2. There are a few features that I
am considering for creating folders and files.

Rather than trying to make things as absolutely simple as possible, I try
to make it configurable and easy to understand. So I welcome questions
asking how to set it up. Eventually some of these things will go into a FAQ
page and install guide.

Enjoy!

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:21 AM, RichardWilliamSmith <
richardwilliamsm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder whether Arlen has already done any work on packing it as an
> electron app or similar (?) to make it even easier for people to use but
> it's already not very difficult at all.
>

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[tw] Re: Is Anyone Using Noteself Successfully?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

sorry for repeated posting. I downloaded a fresh copy of Noteself from 
github and uploaded it to a local Apache web server (on the Raspberry pi) 
and it exhibits weird behaviour - it appears to keep refreshing itself (the 
'loading' bar gets to ~10-50% at random). The console in Firefox doesn't 
show anything for some reason, but in Chrome it says "empty.html:280 
Something went wrong booting tiddlywiki  TypeError: $tw.boot.boot is not a 
function at empty.html:278 at ". Same file works fine from the 
filing system. Web server appears fine otherwise, get similar syptoms on a 
public server but have since also seen it load there.

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[tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[TonyM]

Mark,

One of my projects is to allow the generation of batch files from tiddlers. 
This could ultimately allow the generation of the batch file with ease. 

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: Retitle a tiddler - conceptually easy - HA!

[TonyM]

Mario,

You seem to be a wizard. Can you confirm your approach for me so I may learn 
from your example?

Loading tiddlywiki in your browser it is stored in active memory. I the 
developer console you are running a script to search then modify the tiddlywiki 
in memory. Then the user will save it (from memory) to disk and WALA it is now 
modified?

Is this another strong point for tiddlywikis single file quine nature or are 
there other cases that work the same?

Thanks
Tony

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[tw] Re: ThirdFlow throwing dozens of errors

[kodomohimari]

Alright, just tested. Actually this works shockingly well, better than I 
would have hoped. Process below:

- Backup the TW as .html (simpler to wield than a potentially huge amount 
of individual tiddler files).
- Create a new server instance 
(http://tiddlywiki.com/static/Installing%2520TiddlyWiki%2520on%2520Node.js.html 
using these instructions).
- Import your $:/config/FileSystemPaths tiddler by dragging the .html 
backup in that instance and unticking everything but that tiddler.
- Then, import the remainder of your .html backup by repeating the above 
step and ticking everything instead. (This is to make sure 
$:/config/FileSystemPaths is live by the time everything else gets 
imported). Most likely you'll want to overwrite everything when there's a 
conflict (assuming your backup had up-to-date code).

Because backing up the TW as .html ignores folder structure, this process 
can probably be repeated ad infinitum (i.e. you can change your folder 
logic in $:/config/FileSystemPaths and then repeat the process as often as 
you'd like, incrementally remodeling your TW server into the shape of your 
desires).

Thanks a lot for the tip! This solved my problem, and them some.

kodomohimari

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:51:28 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+2, kodomohimari wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I actually saw that one earlier but I haven't been able to find a way 
>> to apply it retroactively... 
>>
>
> Not really. The settings work for new tiddlers only.  but 
>  
>
>> Is there any way for this method to dynamically re-check every tiddler in 
>> the TW instance and rename whatever deserves renaming?
>>
>
>  - You can create an empty TW 
>  - Change the settings in a way that work for your
>  - Drag and drop import an existing TW. 
>  - Importing should treat every tiddler as a new one, ... 
>
> That's the only way I can think of. ... but I didn't test it. 
>
> -m
>
>

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[tw] Re: Keybind to save a tiddler in edit mode without exiting the edit mode

[peuhpeuh singe]

@Thomas Elmiger: Thanks for sharing this nice work. I have suggestion 
concerning the issue that the tiddler is saved and reopened and that by 
consequence the cursor position is lost. 
Do you think it would be reasonable, instead of close-and-save and open, to 
copy the  content of "Draft of 'TiddlerName'" to "TiddlerName" ? I guess 
this would avoid to close the current edit ?

Thanks, 
P.


Le vendredi 15 septembre 2017 10:39:43 UTC+2, peuhpeuh singe a écrit :
>
> Hello twexpert,
>
>  Short version : How can I define a keybind to save a tiddler from sthe 
> edit mode without exiting the edit mode ?
>
> Longer version: (not sure it is relevant but who know)
>
> * Background:
>
> I am currenlty using tiddlywiki to write small pieces of scripts that are 
> sourced by my programming env directly from the html files.
>
> For example in R in write a small function: 
> tw.source(nameOfTiddler,pathToTiddlyWikiFile) that simply imports the code 
> written in the given tiddler into my R env.  
>
> * Question:
>
> One practical problem I have is that I need to save the tiddler to move 
> the modification from the draft version of the tiddler to the actual 
> tiddler (which is a good thing). But the only way I found to do it quickly 
> is to  to save and exit the tiddler but I then have to reopen it 
> to edit other changes, which is really inconvenient when I make a 
> incremental code modification... I would like to be able to save a tiddler 
> from the edit mode with exiting the edit mode using a simple keybind but 
> not know how to do it. 
>
> Thks all for doing this incredible tool, that I use increasingly !
>

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[tw] Re: Is Anyone Using Noteself Successfully?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi again. I was being stupid/impatient and the wiki does in fact load ok 
from neocities, apart from the weird loading bar behaviour. When I got the 
same thing from my local host, I assumed it couldn't be just taking a long 
time. Maybe there is some bug where the connection is getting reset at 
random? I'm still not able to connect to my couch from there, but I'm more 
hopeful that it might just be a http/https thing that I should be able to 
figure out.

If you could answer my question about nuking the credentials, that would be 
still be helpful

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[tw] Re: Fountain Parser for a screenwriting tool

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark, Jan, TonyM & all

Other things I'll comment on by way of demonstration when I got them 
working well enough. I'm slow, but hopefully only be a couple more days. 

Meanwhile, a short comment on *pagination* ... 

Marks S. : I don't understand how pages can be dynamically calculated to be 
> 1min=1page, since a single direction item might take up more than a minute. 
>

I know it looks insane of first look. But it IS a strong convention in 
film-making. "The page" is fundamental to production timing & costing. For 
sure 1 minute rarely equates directly to the one page per minute idealised 
cinematic time. But the number of pages in a screenplay DOES relate to that 
very tightly. IF you submitted a 30 page script for a 90 minute movie (i.e. 
one with longer shots) it would go in the bin post-haste. What the writer 
has to do is adjust to the format. It makes sense in that if you have long 
shots with little dialogue *you have to provide more directorial 
description*. So, in actuality it evens out. 

Mark S.: I would think that the final pagination would best be handled in 
> an application designed for that task. I'm really skeptical of getting 
> browser-based automatic pagination to work. Is there a precedent?


I haven't seen anything that could act as a model. But I do wonder if CSS 
might be able to do it. One of the key things about screenplays is they use 
EXACT layout so maybe a CSS auto-numbering of some kind might be possible?  

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

In my opinion, Tiddlyserver is the best solution. It's a really neat piece 
of work. You can use it to expose as much or as little of the filing system 
as you like and it seamlessly integrates with Tiddlywiki folders. I really 
think it's a great piece of work.

I wonder whether Arlen has already done any work on packing it as an 
electron app or similar (?) to make it even easier for people to use but 
it's already not very difficult at all. At the moment, I have two instances 
of it running my whole Tiddlywiki life - one on my machine as always and 
another on a Raspberry Pi plugged into my router. So far it's been really 
stable and rather something of a revelation. I can now Tiddle with 
impugnity from my iphone, for example.


On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 3:06:53 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I don't understand your objection in #2. You're saying you'd rather 
> install an entire server or application on your system rather than deal 
> with a 5-line batch file?
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 9:22:36 PM UTC-7, JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>> Thank you all for the thoughtful replies.
>>
>> It seems as though there is confusion about the best way forward.
>>
>> 1) TiddlyFox is going away sometime - so I don't want to get too enamored 
>> with it (Yes it is an installed add-on (Legacy) that does not work for me 
>> now)
>> 2) @Mark S - The beauty of a solution that works every time is ideal, 
>> except that you then proceed to explain that the default save has a "pain 
>> in the ass" character to it involving don't forget to's or batch like 
>> this...
>> 3) I have tried NoteSelf, and lost enough info due to my lack of 
>> understanding how simple it is - "just use it" becomes "just keep retyping 
>> the same tiddlers"
>> 4) I am totally willing to jump away from a single file system and into 
>> Node.JS, but as a newbie it acts strange, pulling up things I didn't mean 
>> to be in this directory... and I just don't understand it yet (but I think 
>> I would like it)
>> 5) TiddlyDesktop is my one and only savior - it is the ONLY way I 
>> currently know how to reliably update a tiddler, save to Dropbox, and find 
>> it later.
>>
>> I can live with that.  the only problem is when I link to an external 
>> TW5.html file, it loads it in FireFox, and I have to remember NOT TO UPDATE 
>> IT THERE - use only for reference. If I want to start typing, I have to 
>> remember to launch it directly from TiddlyDesktop independently.
>>
>> Does this thinking make sense?
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Is Anyone Using Noteself Successfully?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Thanks for taking the time.

The short answer is that I don't think that works either, but it doesn't 
fail in the same way. I think there could be a problem with http/https from 
github to my local couch. The other issue - of the page constantly 
reloading can be seen (maybe?) on this 
one https://didaxy.neocities.org/tiddlywiki/noteselftasks.html.

In trying to debug this, it would be very helpful if I could sign out of 
the couch database, but instead it's like some kind of witchcraft - it 
keeps signing me back in. I thought I'd outsmarted it by moving the couchDB 
to a different port but then it logged back in anyway. How is it doing 
that? How do I log myself out or otherwise nuke the settings back to the 
start?

Thanks,

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[tw] Re: ThirdFlow throwing dozens of errors

[PMario]

On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+2, kodomohimari wrote:
>
> Ah, I actually saw that one earlier but I haven't been able to find a way 
> to apply it retroactively... 
>

Not really. The settings work for new tiddlers only.  but 
 

> Is there any way for this method to dynamically re-check every tiddler in 
> the TW instance and rename whatever deserves renaming?
>

 - You can create an empty TW 
 - Change the settings in a way that work for your
 - Drag and drop import an existing TW. 
 - Importing should treat every tiddler as a new one, ... 

That's the only way I can think of. ... but I didn't test it. 

-m

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[tw] Re: Ghostwriter TW5 theme by Rory Gibson - How to Disable Timestamp

[John Newell]

Awesome - you are a legend ( to one who struggles with the hidden code ) 

I'll be posting up the Directory website that is being built on strikingly 
- and exported TW pages hosted with padlet.com
It's a strange mash-up - but delivers a very unique and powerful 
combination of fast loading, responsive, dynamic content

keep an eye out for "YarraValleySecrets" and www.tradie.site

cheers


On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> .tc-tiddler-title::after {display:none}
>
>  
> I agree it is a lovely theme,
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw] Re: Ghostwriter TW5 theme by Rory Gibson - How to Disable Timestamp

[Birthe C]

 

.tc-tiddler-title::after {display:none}

 
I agree it is a lovely theme,

Birthe

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