Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
garym;604261 Wrote: I can't speak to the consensus, but plenty of smart people on this forum that know a lot more than me don't think that decoding on the server side vs Touch matters to the ultimate sound quality. Try it both ways and see what you think. It's just a couple of settings in SbS Settings File Types. But beware of the placebo effectif you can, get someone else to make the changes and listen a bit both ways so you are doing a blind test. For me, there is absolutely no difference in either my TOUCH or my TRANSPORTER. In general I'm in the camp that the soundcheck mods make a small but noticeable improvement - a little less hardness, a little more roundness to the sound. I'm guessing this is because of less RF interference. As far as the specific server side question: I don't notice a difference in SQ, but I do notice a difference in performance. Less delays, clicks, rebufferings, etc. Especially with 24/96 material. Not that there are a lot of problems when using the onboard decoding, just that they are more or less eliminated when switching to server side. That alone is a good enough reason for me to make the switch. There is one small downside to server side though. If you have an older SB player that doesn't native play hi-res, and play it synched to a Touch, the hi-res won't play over the synched player, as the server will output the native hi-res, and your lesser player won't be able to handle it. This doesn't happen when you decode onboard at each player. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
Using ethernet can make 24/96 more snappy wether you decode on server or not. it was almost impossible to use wifi and 24/96 the first weeks of Touch life but this has improved greatly . Seems like WPA2 decryption uses a lot of cpu making it somewhat sluggish ? to handle. Run ethernet wires if possible. The whole experience is much faster an snappier when using the screen cuing up lists etc (then you can safely kill the wifi drivers etc in Touch saving even more cpu cycles) . Just try it wired I don't think you want to go back if you tried it. This wifi fad has gone a bit to far , remember when wifi was an option on the SB3 (you could buy one without wifi board) . Wifi is not a real network, it does a very good job faking a network but it's not the same as a real network :) So if networkable things like a server a router and a Touch is sitting at the same place all the time why not wire the stuff ? Wifi is for the mobile stuff like laptops, Radio ? etc that you lug around the house. Think of wifi as a finite resource you can save wifi by wire up as much stuff as possible, not just squeezeboxes and then you have a lot of wifi when you need it. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Rick58;604292 Wrote: I hope this is what is going on with my setup, and that you excuse a couple of 'noobie' questions. iMac - Airport Extreme (wireless) - Touch - optical out - Cambridge 840C The 840C indicates =20 which seems strange, when the song being played is 16/44.1 AIFF or 24/96 FLAC (which are all I have tried so far, just got the Touch yesterday). I think it does say /44.1 and /96, respectively, when playing these files. Sounds like it should indicate 24/96 all the time? The 840C indicates =24/96 when toslinked up to the iMac directly ... Wish I could get rid of the pesky = ... ! Is there something I need to set differently than 'default' in the advanced settings? I do have numerous posts, etc. saved by you guys, but it will take me hours to peruse thru them! THANKS for comments, tips, etc.! :^) - Rick. [ EDIT: I guess this http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 answers the question ??? Thanks Mnyb et al! Altho I would much rather it show =24/96 ... that is still a mystery to me. ] Unfortunately the display problem lies mostly in the Cambridge. There are no settings on the sbs side that can affect this directly. So, sb devices always send 24-bits and the Cambridge SHOULD be reporting that correctly (although there are reasons why it can't/doesn't - as pointed out by Griffin). Sample rate should always be displayed correctly! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
But it must be a difference in some bit as his dac reports 24bit when conected directly to his computer via toslink ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
guidof;604286 Wrote: Quite true! I just think that, to the extent that there are differences to be perceived, they are more likely to become apparent when listening to a variety of recordings over extended periods. Sometimes judgments are formed based solely on repeated listening to brief musical segments, whether blind or not. Yet, this is not how we ordinarily listen to music. While this is not necessarily invalid when the differences are gross, it seems to me questionable when the differences are of the kind of musical refinement that soundcheck's mods attempt to accomplish. Guido F. I don't want to get into a big heated debate about this, but to do a meaningful assessment over time, one needs to switch back to the original settings occasionally, otherwise there is no comparative baseline - it's exactly like the burn-in situation. If you only ever listen to the new settings, your brain WILL forget completely what the old settings sounded like and WILL gradually re-programme itself to accept the new settings as the norm. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Mnyb;604332 Wrote: But it must be a difference in some bit as his dac reports 24bit when conected directly to his computer via toslink ? THANKS folks for the replies! With the direct link, it actually indicates =24/96 which I interpret to mean 24/96 ... but if it says =20/96 even tho in my mind I believe it is actually 24/96 (as it should be), I tend to 'fear' that it is being truncated to 16 bits. Don't know why ... I guess because when playing AIFFs it says =20/44.1. From all I have read so far (and have the (limited) capacity to hopefully understand) the 'problem' may be with the 840C, but sounds like if the device outputs the correct status bits (indicating 24 bit data is being sent) the 840C should report this correctly? Could that be 'fixed' with a firmware tweak/revision (to the Touch)? hopefully so. Seems like at least *some* other DACs or devices display incoming bit depth, and would benefit from this 'fix'. Basically, I just want to be 'reassured' that 24/96 is going into the 840C! I guess they could even 'force' the data to indicate that, whether true or not!? ;^) Seems like I 'must' have 24/96 when 24/96 FLACs are played ... it's just a little 'disappointing' and there's always that 'doubt' when I see the =20 being displayed ... :^( Again, thanks very much, and please continue to discuss ... I will be reading with much appreciation. - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
doh! maybe this shows how much I don't know and that's OK, if I learn something. I don't really want to learn 'everything' about this, but would like to understand a little more than I do now ... The status bits that are referred to are in the data stream itself, (i.e. the original source (FLAC, AIFF ...) correct? Every word has them, I guess. So the player cannot 'change' these without some crazy re-whatevering on the files, and one likely wouldn't want that to be occurring and consuming computing horsepower in the Touch or the host computer. Maybe some other files are indeed 'coded' this way. I at this point only have a dozen or less 24/96 FLAC files (samples from HDTracks and LessLoss). One would think the originators of the files would want these 'represented' properly ... if that is indeed the case. Oh well, thanks for comments again. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
Phil Leigh;604333 Wrote: I don't want to get into a big heated debate about this, but to do a meaningful assessment over time, one needs to switch back to the original settings occasionally, otherwise there is no comparative baseline - it's exactly like the burn-in situation. If you only ever listen to the new settings, your brain WILL forget completely what the old settings sounded like and WILL gradually re-programme itself to accept the new settings as the norm. You won't get an argument about this from me! By all means, one should switch back to the original setting for comparison purposes. In the case of soundcheck's mods, this is easily accomplished either by doing a factory reset or by using his tt tool (his paragraph 1.7). Of course, one should also reset the FLAC/PCM decoding on the server, if used. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] lots of music, how to play it all randomly?
roscored1000;604051 Wrote: thanks once again, great unit by the way isnt it? Yes, it is. Enjoy :) -- GeeJay 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84926 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hi guys. Yep, it's me once more. For those of you who're enjoying my Toolbox. I launched a new tweak. (Perhaps we should call it something else, you'll see what I mean later on) I talked about that mod respectively announced its effects earlier. ;) Just follow the TT Beta Blog link in my signature for more info about it. It'll might not apply to your setup. Those of you who managed to install the toolbox will easily manage to install the new mod too. Enjoy -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Rick58;604384 Wrote: doh! maybe this shows how much I don't know and that's OK, if I learn something. I don't really want to learn 'everything' about this, but would like to understand a little more than I do now ... The status bits that are referred to are in the data stream itself, (i.e. the original source (FLAC, AIFF ...)) correct? Every word has them, I guess. So the player/device cannot 'change' these without some crazy re-whatevering on the files, and one likely wouldn't want that to be occurring and consuming computing horsepower in the Touch or the host computer. Maybe some other files are indeed 'coded' this way. I at this point only have a dozen or less 24/96 FLAC files (samples from HDTracks and LessLoss). One would think the originators of the files would want these 'represented' properly ... if that is indeed the case. Oh well, thanks for comments again. get some insulating tape and place it over the display - problem solved :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;604464 Wrote: get some insulating tape and place it over the display - problem solved :-) LOL yes, I could not use my 'binoculars' to look at the display, I guess! It's about 12' away, I can't quite read whether it shows 20 or 24 from my chair! OTOH, after rereading the 'bug report' I see the issue MAY be related to something the Touch itself sends: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 Looks to me that setting Channel Status Word bit 2 to '1' (and maybe forcing bits 3-5 to 'zero') when 24 bit data is being sent should 'solve' the issue. Hopefully this 'bug' would be assigned sometime soon ... -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes issues
Hi All, New to the streaming thing, but having trouble liking the Touch so far. I guess from previous threads that my using iTunes might be my issue. Problems include; Refusing to group multi-disc albums together. Randomly missing artwork. Sometimes turning artwork by 90 degrees. Randomly splitting albums into 2 for no discenible reason. I need to use iTunes to keep iphones/ipads ticking along but should I look elsewhere for a solution when running SBS? Please any ideas welcome. -- JHedley JHedley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43370 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84981 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes issues
1) On the SBS web ui, check your setting on Settings My Music Group Discs. Also check your album tags. If they are not perfectly identical (eg, they have 'disc 1' and 'disc 2' in the tags) then they won't be grouped. 2) Shouldn't be a problem if you have a cover.jpg image in each album's folder, or images embedded in tags. If you're using iTunes system for cover art, I can't help you there. 3) Never heard of this before. Sounds like the images themselves or, if applicable, the embedded album art. 4) tags, tags, tags. And for compilation albums, possibly the location(s) on your hard drive. SBS wants all tracks for compilation albums in the same folder. By default, iTunes stores them under folders for each specific artist, but I'm pretty sure you can override this and iTunes won't mind. I stopped using iTunes a few years ago, but I have yet to understand any reason for using SBS/iTunes integration _except_ for getting SBS to see playlists created in iTunes. Since you don't mention that as a reason, I suggest disabling the iTunes integration in SBS, and just point SBS to your music library folder as if you weren't using iTunes. Then get your tags, cover art, and SBS settings straight. After that SBS and iTunes should coexist happily. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84981 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch near a loudspeaker
Is there any interference from the Touch when placed near a loudspeaker? I'm contemplating the Touch in stead of Duet but the only place is next to a loudspeaker (about 30 cm). -- Hans Gerrits Hans Gerrits's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84982 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch near a loudspeaker
Hans Gerrits;604472 Wrote: Is there any interference from the Touch when placed near a loudspeaker? I'm contemplating the Touch in stead of Duet but the only place is next to a loudspeaker (about 30 cm). No it has an lcd display no risk of bending the picture on it with the speakers magnets as in old crt tv's :) My Touch sits 5cm from my center channel. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84982 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch near a loudspeaker
Thank you for the quick reply. I wasn't actually thinking of a loudspeaker interfering with the Touch screen, but the other way around: does the (electric field of the) player intefere with the sound from the loudspeaker? -- Hans Gerrits Hans Gerrits's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84982 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes issues
Thanks for reply, I have definitely got the disk tags all correct but no joy there. I have no need for playlists from iTunes so would happily lose it but if you ditch iTunes and simply browse to the music folder, is there any way to browse all albums with covers showing? Each time I rescan or delete all and rescan, I get a whole new bunch of bugs showing up. Very frustrating -- JHedley JHedley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43370 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84981 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hi Klaus, I read your blog about your latest change Let me know what you think. I do expect that you'll hear what I hear. The question will be how to make Logitech accept their own logic: 100 = 100 = false^2 Now. Seriously. I'd like to say that the difference in sound reproduction that I experience is not acceptable with reference to what Logitech is trying to tell us. They claim there wouldn't be any difference between setting 100 and VC off. Ok - so peterw's change (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837) 'just' locks the volume at 100%. I do accept that running at 100% volume (and adjusting the volume via your amp) will improve playback quality (as the original bits are sent to your amp). What I don't accept is that you are telling people that just putting the volume to 100% is not enough but your mod again will improve stuff because Logitech is lying to us. Luckily this time this is proved easily: at the corresponding code line you are changing there is a log output right before. So anyone having enabled logging can test for himself: In SqueezePlay: Settings-Advanced-Log-audio.decode. One just has to set it to Debug - then the following lines will appear in the log when I change the volume to 100%: Code: 22.01.11 21:26:44 [0x0-0xa91a91].com.logitech.squeezeplay[56528] [0;34m20110122 20:26:28.893 DEBUG audio.decode - Playback.lua:871 gainL, gainR: 65536 65536[0m 22.01.11 21:26:44 [0x0-0xa91a91].com.logitech.squeezeplay[56528] [0;34m20110122 20:26:31.333 DEBUG audio.decode - Playback.lua:871 gainL, gainR: 65536 65536[0m 22.01.11 21:37:34 [0x0-0xa9ba9b].com.logitech.squeezeplay[56579] [0;34m20110122 20:37:25.694 DEBUG audio.decode - Playback.lua:871 gainL, gainR: 65536 65536[0m 22.01.11 21:37:34 [0x0-0xa9ba9b].com.logitech.squeezeplay[56579] [0;34m20110122 20:37:31.116 DEBUG audio.decode - Playback.lua:871 gainL, gainR: 65536 65536[0m So SqueezePlay (the firmware of the Touch) indeed uses the maximum possible value for it's internal gain setting when you set it to 100%. '65536' is exactly the same value that is used in your mod. So while it's nice to have a mod that fixes the volume at 100% - and while it's nice to give people the hint, that they should prefer the volume control of their amp (and set the Touch to 100%) all other of your claim are pure nonsense. One can achieve the same results with following just the beginning of your blog: 1. Turn your external volume control down first! 2. Play a track. Slowly drive your Touch VC towards 100% while adjusting your external control to an acceptable level. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch near a loudspeaker
Hans Gerrits;604477 Wrote: Thank you for the quick reply. I wasn't actually thinking of a loudspeaker interfering with the Touch screen, but the other way around: does the (electric field of the) player intefere with the sound from the loudspeaker? If you speakers are passive (i.e., don't contain amplifiers inside the enclosures) then it is impossible for you to suffer such interference. If your speakers are active, and badly designed, there is a small possibility that such a thing could happen. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84982 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch near a loudspeaker
Hans Gerrits;604477 Wrote: Thank you for the quick reply. I wasn't actually thinking of a loudspeaker interfering with the Touch screen, but the other way around: does the (electric field of the) player intefere with the sound from the loudspeaker? That would be very unlikely I have not noticed any ill effect . It takes a lot of power to influence a passive speaker ask your power amp :) A more likely source of interferences is it's little power-supply dont keep signal cables to close , the usual rat nest of cables behind a hifi is a more likely trouble source. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84982 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
bluegaspode;604480 Wrote: So SqueezePlay (the firmware of the Touch) indeed uses the maximum possible value for it's internal gain setting when you set it to 100%. '65536' is exactly the same value that is used in your mod. I think the modded '65536' easily outperforms the original '65536' ! :-) -- welom welom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch near a loudspeaker
Mnyb;604483 Wrote: ... the usual rat nest of cables behind a hifi is a more likely trouble source. Thanks again for the reply. The rat nest made me laugh :) -- Hans Gerrits Hans Gerrits's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84982 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Rick58;604467 Wrote: LOL yes, I could not use my 'binoculars' to look at the display, I guess! It's about 12' away, I can't quite read whether it shows 20 or 24 from my chair! OTOH, after rereading the 'bug report' I see the issue MAY be related to something the Touch itself sends: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 Looks to me that setting Channel Status Word bit 2 to '1' (and maybe forcing bits 3-5 to 'zero') when 24 bit data is being sent should 'solve' the issue. Hopefully this 'bug' would be assigned sometime soon ... You might get lucky - but it's a rather niche, cosmetic issue... Tell you what, I'll vote for the bug :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I can just tell you that I received numerous feedbacks about the audible differences, what I expected. Just read the latest comment over there. I'm not doing any debugging. Non of the modifications I introduced respectively its effects I'd expect to show up in a debugger. What I guess though is that the SW (application OS) and the HW layer somehow interferes. And that's might be that what's causing slight distortions, timing variations or whatever. The way how I verify my findings: I check all my mods in three stages 1. First I am doing several tests by myself. 2. Then I hand the alphas over to some friends with real high resolving systems without telling them what's gonna happen. If they get back with the same finding as I've experienced them. I'm pretty sure that I'm not dreaming. 3. I let the crowd at DIY-audio run the beta-tests and wait for the feedback. 4. I'm showing up over here by the time I'm pretty sure that there'll be an improvement on numerous systems. I'm not saying that Logitech is cheating on us. I'm and quite some other people just saying that the claim 100 is the same in terms of soundquality is not the same as having the control disabled the way petersw proposed. It seems to happen more than just setting that parameter. As soon as I set the parameter as petersw ( I made a reference to his proposal on my blog btw.), things are changing. Do me a favour and figure out what else is happening when setting that parameter. I'd be more then happy to use that volume control function again. That's actually the reason why I brought the whole issue up tonight - to find out what's going on. I didn't have the intention to get it into the toolbox, because for now I consider this issue a different issue then the other mods I introduced. Thx for your cooperation. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;604490 Wrote: You might get lucky - but it's a rather niche, cosmetic issue... Tell you what, I'll vote for the bug :-) But wouldn't all DACs that report bit depth along with sample rate benefit? Maybe the Cambridges are the only ones ... if so, oh well. If you know, could you verify that if I use 24/96 stereo FLACs thru the setup iMac - Airport Extreme (wireless) - Touch - optical out - Cambridge 840C that the 24/96 data is being delivered to the 840C? Thanks very much, I really appreciate your comments, even the humourous ones! -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Rick58;604467 Wrote: Looks to me that setting Channel Status Word bit 2 to '1' (and maybe forcing bits 3-5 to 'zero') when 24 bit data is being sent should 'solve' the issue. The channel status word bit 2 defines the copyright bit (DCMS). It has *nothing* to do with wordlength. I have the official spec on my desk at work but ePanorama has a nice overview 'here' (http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html) (scroll down to channel status). There is no -reliable- status information in spdif reflecting absolute word length and there is no need for that information (except perhaps for informational purposes like showing the actual depth). -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Griffin;604495 Wrote: The channel status word bit 2 defines the copyright bit (DCMS). It has *nothing* to do with wordlength. I have the official spec on my desk at work but ePanorama has a nice overview 'here' (http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html) (scroll down to channel status). There is no -reliable- status information in spdif reflecting absolute word length and there is no need for that information (except perhaps for informational purposes like showing the actual depth).I am wondering if the standard you refer to is for the actual data stream itself, and that discussed in http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 SQB SPDIF Channel Status Word is something different - part of 'preamble' data that is generated and sent *from the SB Touch itself* before the 'music data' stream starts? Sorry, I don't know the proper terms. I see *** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** in Bugzilla; I presume this means it got 3 votes. Thanks, Phil! -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
You -can- apparently set this with alsa ? It's actually beyond me if you actually should ? Apearently you can also chose between consumer spdif or pro AES-EBU over spdif . But modern DAC's reciever chips read both format equally well afaik ? so it should not matter much. But consensus seems to be to just stream PCM bitstreams as is and not fidle with it to much ? If the quality info I just googled is correct :-/ I voted on the bug, let see what more knowledgeable people can come up with . More info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/PDIF And pro AES3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES3 Interestingly there is a difference between consumer and pro . Quting from ther AES3 wiki byte 2: audio word length * bits 02: Aux bits usage. This indicates how the aux bits (time slots 47) are used. Generally set to 000 (unused) or 001 (used for 24-bit audio data). * bits 35: Word length. Specifies the sample size, relative to the 20- or 24-bit maximum. Can specify 0, 1, 2 or 4 missing bits. Unused bits are filled with 0, but audio processing functions such as mixing will generally fill them in with valid data without changing the effective word length. * bits 67: Unused So if we set the output as AES3 instead we can have a reliable indication ? Maybe an icredibly stupid idea ? Outpout from als-utils-iecset on my desktop as example: mikael@mikael:~$ iecset -h Usage: iecset [options] [cmd arg...] Options: -D device specifies the control device to use -c card specifies the card number to use (equiv. with -Dhw:#) -n number specifies the control index number (default = 0) -x dump the dump the AESx hex code for IEC958 PCM parameters -i read commands from stdin Commands: professional (common) off = consumer mode, on = professional mode audio (common) on = audio mode, off = non-audio mode rate (common) sample rate in Hz (0 = not indicated) emphasis (common) 0 = none, 1 = 50/15us, 2 = CCITT lock (prof.) off = rate unlocked, on = rate locked sbits (prof.) sample bits 2 = 20bit, 4 = 24bit, 6 = undef wordlength (prof.) 0=no, 2=22-18bit, 4=23-19bit, 5=24-20bit, 6=20-16bit category (consumer) 0-0x7f copyright (consumer) off = non-copyright, on = copyright original (consumer) off = 1st-gen, on = original mikael@mikael:~$ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;604493 Wrote: It seems to happen more than just setting that parameter. As soon as I set the parameter as petersw ( I made a reference to his proposal on my blog btw.), things are changing. So thanks first for referencing peterw's post - this makes it possible to at least know what your are doing. In the end you just changed a single line in the sourcecode, did you (the one suggested by peterw) ? Nothing deleted, nothing added, just one simple line changed. Instead of passing a variable (i.e. the internal volume value) that is computed in the lines before (with and without your mod) you are passing the hardcoded value of the maximum value. This definitely won't affect any timing in the Touch. I'm and quite some other people just saying that the claim 100 is the same in terms of soundquality is not the same as having the control disabled the way petersw proposed. Do me a favor and figure out what else is happening, when setting that particular parameter. There must be more to it. No - I think it's your (or everyone elses) turn to prove that 100 != 100. As I already wrote it's simple - as in the end the Touch is just a simple computer so we can watch what values it processes internally (which here is as easy as it can get). If you turn on debugging yourself you can see what value is computed on your Touch when you set volume to 100%. If it's anything else than 65536 than your change has a positive effect (as you indeed disabled any change to the sourcematerial before it is passed to your DAC). If not - then definitely not and it's good enough to just set the volume to 100% with the volume slider. If I read comments on your blog like the following: So my guess is right, the volume control was a purely digital one, simply compressing the dynamics? And probably re-calculating even at 100% the stream to get 100%...? That explains the important step forward! Thanks again for making our squeezeboxes better! then I think people need to be told that with your latest mod the exact same calculations still happen inside the Touch (just with the maximum volume value) with or without your mod. If you make them believe anything else I am calling that scam, I'm very sorry. And just to prove these harsh words: the actual volume is applied to the stream in this source-code-file: http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/7.5/trunk/squeezeplay/src/squeezeplay/src/audio/decode/decode_alsa_backend.c?revision=8814view=markup (line 383,384,394,395) You cannot change it on your Touch though because that part is compiled into the binaries of the Touch. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
bluegaspode;604515 Wrote: So thanks first for referencing peterw's post - this makes it possible to at least know what your are doing. In the end you just changed a single line in the sourcecode, did you (the one suggested by peterw) ? Nothing deleted, nothing added, just one simple line changed. Instead of passing a variable (i.e. the internal volume value) that is computed in the lines before (with and without your mod) you are passing the hardcoded value of the maximum value. This definitely won't affect any timing in the Touch. No - I think it's your (or everyone elses) turn to prove that 100 != 100. As I already wrote it's simple - as in the end the Touch is just a simple computer so we can watch what values it processes internally (which here is as easy as it can get). If you turn on debugging yourself you can see what value is computed on your Touch when you set volume to 100%. If it's anything else than 65536 than your change has a positive effect (as you indeed disabled any change to the sourcematerial before it is passed to your DAC). If not - then definitely not and it's good enough to just set the volume to 100% with the volume slider. If I read comments on your blog like the following: then I think people need to be told that with your latest mod the exact same calculations still happen inside the Touch (just with the maximum volume value) with or without your mod. If you make them believe anything else I am calling that scam, I'm very sorry. And just to prove these harsh words: the actual volume is applied to the stream in this source-code-file: http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/7.5/trunk/squeezeplay/src/squeezeplay/src/audio/decode/decode_alsa_backend.c?revision=8814view=markup (line 383,384,394,395) You cannot change it on your Touch though because that part is compiled into the binaries of the Touch. Yep. What can I say. you are the expert. You're probably right with all what you say. It's that easy. I will write a note on my block that all speculations about what's causing the difference might be misleading. Though as you can see. People are responding to it. Perhaps it just works in conjunction with the other mods. Who knows. I don't have a clue. And yes: I just change two parameters as proposed by Peter. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
But to not be the lonely critic here: Anyone who is not able to put his volume to 100% (maybe just 99% without knowing) will of course get improvements. Not only does his audio get a tiny bit louder (which will always sound better as we all know) but as said the raw material won't be changed. Your latest mod guarantees to have a volume value of 100% - anytime and failsafe (which is a good thing). I think if you'd advertised it just as that I guess I wouldn't be reacting as I'm doing now. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hmm volume lock the logitech way works too, I used peters hack before there was an official way to do it. Trying with DTS files to my HT amp they still work so 100=100 So the volume is the same. But there is still a bug in sbs where volume lock does not work for the web-UI So there is still a reason to fix it a the player level, god knows what happen when involwing mysb.com. locked this way I think the player happily ignores all replaygain crossfade and whatnots you can turn on on the server. So the result is exactly the same but it is more likely to stay that way as logi still has interface bugs that can move your volume. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes issues
What format are your files? If MP3, I suggest you try putting them in a good tagging program like mp3tag (www.mp3tag.de) to have a really close look, including at the extended tags and the possibility of different tag types such as both ID3v1 and ID3v2. If your multi-disc albums are getting split then it's either your SBS settings or your tags. You wouldn't be the first person who was definitely sure the tags were fine only to find out that they aren't. If the files are AAC or ALAC I don't know what to suggest for looking at tags (I'm assuming they're not FLAC because you are using iTunes). To browse albums with the covers showing you should use the My Music Albums browse, not the browse Music Folder function. Browse Music Folder only uses the folder and filename information on your OS, so it won't see the album art until you actually get into the directory with the album. On the other hand, all the other browsing options (Artists, Albums, Genres, Years, New Music) use the metadata database that SBS builds from the tags when it does a scan. Maybe you've found some bugs, but the specific features you mention are not issues for me or many other users, so I believe they are really issues with your tags or configuration. A good idea is to isolate the problem by looking very closely at one of the albums that is giving you trouble, even posting the tag info here if that might help. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84981 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Need better album art. How?
paulster;594334 Wrote: If you want really good artwork and don't mind a bit of manual work then www.albumartexchange.com really has no competition for quality of images. It's more involved than using an automated tool but the quality is fantastic. +1 This and VSO's Image Resizer, makes a very powerful image artwork tool. Russ. -- RussellMrgn Squeezebox: Classic/SB3, Duet, Boom x3, Radio and Touch Server: Noah Blk Mini-ITX Case, Intel D945GCLF2 Atom 330 Motherboard, 2 GB 667 RAM, X2 Western Digital Scorpio Blue 500GB 2.5 H/D's Internal. Ext Backup: DAS 200 with X2 Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB H/D's Raided. OS: WHS. Ripper: dBpoweramp. (Installed on WHS Win7) Running 24/7 Looks good and works well! RussellMrgn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29655 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83798 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
bluegaspode;604519 Wrote: But to not be the lonely critic here: Anyone who is not able to put his volume to 100% (maybe just 99% without knowing) will of course get improvements. Not only does his audio get a tiny bit louder (which will always sound better as we all know) but as said the raw material won't be changed. Your latest mod guarantees to have a volume value of 100% - anytime and failsafe (which is a good thing). I think if you'd advertised it just as that I guess I wouldn't be reacting as I'm doing now. Great. Let's get constructive. You might have a point here. Though I told most of the people to pull the slider to 100 to actually compare apples and apples. And I also thought I did pull it up to 100 while testing. I've been wondering if the number as shown in Peters mod wasn't 1 point to high It's 0x +1 isn't it. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Mnyb;604520 Wrote: So there is still a reason to fix it a the player level, god knows what happen when involwing mysb.com. locked this way I think the player happily ignores all replaygain crossfade and whatnots you can turn on on the server. So the result is exactly the same but it is more likely to stay that way as logi still has interface bugs that can move your volume. OK. That's what we're looking for I'd guess. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
2^16 = 65536 And the volume maps is earlier in the same file so you can actually see that 65536 is what logitech consider 100 volume. I can confirm that it works, trying rigth now -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
QUOTE=bluegaspode;604515]In the end you just changed a single line in the sourcecode, did you (the one suggested by peterw) ? Nothing deleted, nothing added, just one simple line changed. Instead of passing a variable (i.e. the internal volume value) that is computed in the lines before (with and without your mod) you are passing the hardcoded value of the maximum value. It is not my intention to disrupt the conciliatory tone that has broken out in this thread, but perhaps an observation can be tolerated. It seems to me that this, right here, is the type of thing that causes such divisions in the audiophile world - a mod which in this case cannot possibly have any audible effect, yet is supported by claims of audible differences. Without knowing for sure that it does absolutely nothing, anyone who couldn't hear a difference would be forgiven for worrying that their hearing wasn't good enough, or their system wasn't revealing enough. It's no surprise that other, less easily falsifiable claims aren't always trusted. This, in a nutshell, is why independent scientific testing is so valued by a good proportion of this forum. So to get back on topic and avoid the charge of hijacking, Phil - how is your analysis of the mods coming on? -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Mnyb;604520 Wrote: locked this way I think the player happily ignores all replaygain crossfade and whatnots you can turn on on the server. Nope. ReplayGain and Crossfades are still applied directly within the player (in addition to the volume). Can be disabled in the Playback.lua at the following place Code: decode:start(string.byte(data.mode), string.byte(data.transitionType), data.transitionPeriod, data.replayGain, data.outputThreshold, data.flags 0x03, string.byte(data.pcmSampleSize), string.byte(data.pcmSampleRate), string.byte(data.pcmChannels), string.byte(data.pcmEndianness) ) data.transitionPeriod and data.replayGain should be 0 I guess (so whatever the server sends is really ignored then). -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
bluegaspode;604519 Wrote: But to not be the lonely critic here: Anyone who is not able to put his volume to 100% (maybe just 99% without knowing) will of course get improvements. Not only does his audio get a tiny bit louder (which will always sound better as we all know) but as said the raw material won't be changed. Your latest mod guarantees to have a volume value of 100% - anytime and failsafe (which is a good thing). I think if you'd advertised it just as that I guess I wouldn't be reacting as I'm doing now. I know nothing from the technical side of these things. What I think I know is that souncheck is what we call a tinkerer. I admire and encourage that. Tinkerers usually have more misses than hits and the fact that soundcheck does not seem to be doing this for any personal financial gain would imply that he's sort of working for both his own enjoyment and that of the general community---again, I find this admirable. He's put in a a lot of time on this stuff. So, let's please not come down on him too hard when he misses (constructive criticism on a case-by-case basis---or mod-by-mod basis,as it were---is certainly appropriate) and let's keep an open mind so that when/if he hits, we don't automatically lump everything he tries in with the misses. On this one, it appears that to my lay eyes/ears bluegaspode has made a good point (though, under the circumstances, I think calling it a scam was a bit harsh). When soundcheck starts trying to sell his mods to us for $5,000, that's when we ought to get extremely suspicious. Until we are given to believe otherwise, we ought to be encouraging his creativity and, when appropriate, courteously pointing out any flaws in his mods and/or approach. If he hasn't already, he may well discover something(s) that will benefit us all. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
bluegaspode;604534 Wrote: Nope. Replaygain and crossfades are still applied directly within the players decoding routines (which cannot be changed as the decoding routines are compiled and not scripted). They can still be disabled in the Playback.lua by sending manipulated values to the decoder at the following place Code: decode:start(string.byte(data.mode), string.byte(data.transitionType), data.transitionPeriod, data.replayGain, data.outputThreshold, data.flags 0x03, string.byte(data.pcmSampleSize), string.byte(data.pcmSampleRate), string.byte(data.pcmChannels), string.byte(data.pcmEndianness) ) data.transitionPeriod and data.replayGain should be 0 I guess (so whatever the server sends is really ignored then). (please don't change outputTreshold though - it's nothing to do with volume, just believe me ;) ) Aaargh :) i want my SB3 where these thing just worked (I can't code actually). Compiled decoding routines, maybe it makes sense not to script everything when you have a wristwatch cpu . Ben has some kind of patch I just applied described in this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14807 It's not in the 7.6 it's probably completely untested ? What kind of horrible event occurred when you tried output.treshold ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Mnyb;604505 Wrote: You -can- apparently set this with alsa ? It's actually beyond me if you actually should ? Apearently you can also chose between consumer spdif or pro AES-EBU over spdif . Interestingly there is a difference between consumer and pro . AHA ... maybe this is the explanation for the confusion I had about Griffin's post. Thanks. I would just like to see a 'fix' if possible! :^) -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes issues
Interesting... fwiw, the multi-disc issue was my own doing. Whilst the tagging was all correct, within the file directories, the separate discs were in 2 separate folders, so some rearranging can sort that. As I use solely MP3s, I will look into the program you mention, I have seen it mentioned in other threads but was not sure if was stand alone or not. Lastly, you say, To browse albums with the covers showing you should use the My Music Albums browse, not the browse Music Folder function. Browse Music Folder only uses the folder and filename information on your OS, so it won't see the album art until you actually get into the directory with the album. On the other hand, all the other browsing options (Artists, Albums, Genres, Years, New Music) use the metadata database that SBS builds from the tags when it does a scan. For this, should I untick the 'use iTunes' option and rely on SBS to show me the album covers? -- JHedley JHedley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43370 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84981 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Mnyb;604541 Wrote: Ben has some kind of patch I just applied described in this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14807 If you applied soundchecks or peterw's mode you won't need Bens patch. Actually I think it's buggy anyway, don't use it (I left a comment in the bug report). What kind of horrible event occurred when you tried output.treshold ;) I'm a coder, I know the effects without a need to try them out ;) As I had to implement playback and streaming for my SqueezePad iPad-App I just happen to know what all these values are for. As we have so many people with good ears here, the exercise to find out about this parameter is left to them (no worries - won't break your audio gear), but if you choose the wrong values you will definitely hear a difference. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
scooot;604546 Wrote: i managed to implement the original 2.0 mods.i have tried the volume fix but keep getting ttvol100 not found when i execute it in he command line.any help would be appreciated.regards scott Did you download the beta package (touchtoolbox20BB1.tar) and unpack it in the correct place? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes issues
JHedley;604543 Wrote: Interesting... fwiw, the multi-disc issue was my own doing. Whilst the tagging was all correct, within the file directories, the separate discs were in 2 separate folders, so some rearranging can sort that. If the files are tagged correctly then it doesn't matter if they are in different folders. Many of my multi-disc albums are in different directories and they group just fine. Do you have correct DISCNUMBER tags on all the files? (It's called DISCNUMBER for FLAC -- I'm not sure what the equivalent is in MP3 but you have to have those set as well to group multi-disc albums across directories.) JHedley;604543 Wrote: For this, should I untick the 'use iTunes' option and rely on SBS to show me the album covers? Yes. But note that iTunes and SBS handle album covers differently. If your album covers are tucked away in whatever folder iTunes uses, SBS won't see them. You need to have the album covers either (a) embedded in the MP3s, like tags, or (b) have a separate cover.jpg or folder.jpg file for each album in the album's folder. Take a look in the album art page in the wiki (wiki.slimdevices.com) for a more complete description of how SBS handles album art. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84981 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
bluegaspode;604544 Wrote: If you applied soundchecks or peterw's mode you won't need Bens patch. Actually I think it's buggy anyway, don't use it (I left a comment in the bug report). I'm a coder, I know the effects without a need to try them out ;) As I had to implement playback and streaming for my SqueezePad iPad-App I just happen to know what all these values are for. As we have so many people with good ears here, the exercise to find out about this parameter is left to them (no worries - won't break your audio gear), but if you choose the wrong values you will definitely hear a difference. Good to stir some life onto that bug again, no worry I won't try the threshold value ;) I'm entirely satisfied that someone has figured what it should be and I can stay ignorant about it. Good to stir some life into the fixed volume matter i though that it was done deal the bug has 50 votes and is partially fixed and then just left hanging? My patching will soon remove itself btw as 7.6 moves quckly atm in a day or soo there is a new firmware. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
