Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2011-02-18 Thread metronet

JohnSwenson;579864 Wrote: 
 The C-media USB receivers are some of the worst ones ever made, their
 sole redeeming feature is that they are dirt cheap. No wonder you like
 the S/PDIF better. 
 
 John S.

Hi John, do you think the CM6631 would be a better choice?

I am now thinking of getting the Asynchronous Mhdt USBridge to try with
your mod :)
 http://dhost.info/mhdtlab/USBridge.htm

Thanks,


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-30 Thread metronet

iPhone;577838 Wrote: 
 Do you already own one? If the answer is NO, stay away from USB DACs.
 Use the Coax Digital out on the Touch!
 
 If one just has to use a DAC with the Touch, use a DAC with Coax S/PDIF
 input with the Touch.
 
 With both Toslink and COAX S/PDIF output available on all late model
 Squeezeboxes without speakers, my advice is to stay away from USB DACs
 IE why go there?

For the DAC I have and the USB receiver chip it uses I'd have to agree
with iPhone.

I have tested the Touch with the ALSA USB out mod to a Mhdt Havana USB
and I must say that I like the coax spdif from the Touch much better.

If I understand it correct, the Mhdt Havana DAC uses a C-media receiver
which than converts USB (adaptive mode) to spdif format for process.

Perhaps it depends on your DAC and it's design... (?)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-30 Thread JohnSwenson

The C-media USB receivers are some of the worst ones ever made, their
sole redeeming feature is that they are dirt cheap. No wonder you like
the S/PDIF better. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-20 Thread Gazjam

This trick might work with the new Arcam RDac.

Also has asyncronous USB.
Any thoughts?

Just a thought as its a helluva lot cheaper than the Ayre!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-20 Thread iPhone

Gazjam;577810 Wrote: 
 This trick might work with the new Arcam RDac.
 
 Also has asyncronous USB.
 Any thoughts?
 
 Just a thought as its a helluva lot cheaper than the Ayre!

Do you already own one? If the answer is NO, stay away from USB DACs.
Use the Coax Digital out on the Touch!

If one just has to use a DAC with the Touch, use a DAC with Coax S/PDIF
input with the Touch.

With both Toslink and COAX S/PDIF output available on all late model
Squeezeboxes without speakers, my advice is to stay away from USB DACs
IE why go there?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-20 Thread OGS

iPhone;577838 Wrote: 
 Do you already own one? If the answer is NO, stay away from USB DACs.
 Use the Coax Digital out on the Touch!
 
 If one just has to use a DAC with the Touch, use a DAC with Coax S/PDIF
 input with the Touch.
 
 With both Toslink and COAX S/PDIF output available on all late model
 Squeezeboxes without speakers, my advice is to stay away from USB DACs
 IE why go there?

I really do not understand what this campaign is all about. You talk
about all the evils of audio via USB, but you do not explain why. You
say you have tried the Ayre QB-9. Sounds like you had computer trouble
if the experience was that bad. I use Coax S/PDIF from Touch to my Tact
and it sounds as good as the Tact permits. The Touch analog out is
better, but a Music Streamer II+ connected to my PC's USB port sounds
even better. So what is wrong with wanting this sound quality via the
Touch??


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-19 Thread Phil Leigh

ralphpnj;577429 Wrote: 
 Using a Tact for room correction is definitely not an audiophile
 approved configuration but since this is not the Audiophiles section
 I guess that it is allowable and forgivable:)

Bull.
:-)
IF you've seen and heard what goes on in a recording/mastering studio
you'd appreciate just how crazy that statement is :-)

By your definition (?) , audiophiles are folks who masochistically
like listening to crap sound because their room messes up their
speakers but they won't fix the problem because that's not the purist
way. Sticking bits of foam or Helmholz resonators around won't fix it
(sorry). 

ROTFLMAO.
:-)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-19 Thread ralphpnj

Phil Leigh;577596 Wrote: 
 Bull.
 :-)
 IF you've seen and heard what goes on in a recording/mastering studio
 you'd appreciate just how crazy that statement is :-)
 
 By your definition (?) , audiophiles are folks who masochistically
 like listening to crap sound because their room messes up their
 speakers but they won't fix the problem because that's not the purist
 way. Sticking bits of foam or Helmholz resonators around won't fix it
 (sorry). 
 
 ROTFLMAO.
 :-)

Phil,

As usual:

1) You didn't fail to disappoint
2) Provided a good reason why so many audiophiles have their stuck
someplace where the sun doesn't shine.

However, one important thing that you failed to mention is how many of
audiophiles are being led astray by the reviews in the audiophile
magazines. What I mean is, for example, the stunning review of the new
$45,000 Vandersteen Model 7 speakers in the latest TAS. Why would one
possibly need DRC when Richard Vandersteen, along with all his
expensive measuring tools, comes to your house to set up the speakers
and makes quite sure that set up is as close to perfect as humanly
possible.

While I'm not in position to purchase a pair of speakers costing
$5,000, let alone $45,000, if a I was thinking of purchasing the Model
7s I won't do so unless Mr. Vandersteen promised to afford me the same
level of personal attention.

Just one of my many pet peeves with the high end audio press.

Oh I almost forgot: Sticking bits of foam or Helmholz resonators
around won't fix it but many a well place rock or exotic piece of wood
will do the trick!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-19 Thread Mnyb

Phil Leigh;577596 Wrote: 
 Bull.
 :-)
 IF you've seen and heard what goes on in a recording/mastering studio
 you'd appreciate just how crazy that statement is :-)
 
 By your definition (?) , audiophiles are folks who masochistically
 like listening to crap sound because their room messes up their
 speakers but they won't fix the problem because that's not the purist
 way. Sticking bits of foam or Helmholz resonators around won't fix it
 (sorry). 
 
 ROTFLMAO.
 :-)

Hmm a lot of foam and helmholz resonators and difractions panels and
false iner ceilings and walls  that breaks right angles etc, opps did i
just build recording studio :)

Bu tobe fair there are some solutions thats not to bad, in aestethic
fabrics and colors, but the companies delivering this stuff would also
have a measuring service so that they know what they are doing not just
sticking random panels here and there .

I'm no pro so I have an hybrid solution (not as good as it could be)
random acoustical panels ;) to get rid of a flutter garage type echo,
very carefull sub placement and the room corection bellow 300Hz
meridian offers it also works in the time domain so that you can get an
even response to that.

As to why Ayre only has usb ?

Do everyone expect audiphile brands to behave rational , when
audiphiles in general are not (you get the products you deserve,
expensive and weird)? they might have a very fine dac I've never heard
it, but this kind of products (high end audiophile stuff) does exhibit
a varying % of strange believes and cargo cult science .
Ayre seems to have a very high % real science but anyway, they do not
make supernatural claims on their web pages etc, but usb only does fit
the weird catagory.
Do they also want you to buy their disc spinners for disc and connect
by analog means to their analog preamp ?

Personally I do want flexible products with a lot of inputs and outputs
and other options, I don't want to be painted into a corner if you get
me.
A stable brand with good quality does a lot to entice me to, my next
amp will probably be a bryston for that reason.

Ayre has been around a while to so they seems to have a steady base of
returning customers, maybe i take a peek if i can find a dealer next
time i need something they make.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-19 Thread ralphpnj

Kal Rubinson;577626 Wrote: 
 Amen.  Many audiophiles are stuck with outdated assumptions and even the
 definition of purist needs to be updated for the digital age.
 
 Kal

Kal,

You are getting dangerously close to be outcast from the audiophile
community for heresy.

If the cable manufacturers can't sell outrageously priced USB, CAT 5
and other digital cables what will happen to Stereophile's advertising
revenue stream?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-19 Thread Kal Rubinson

ralphpnj;577650 Wrote: 
 Kal,
 
 You are getting dangerously close to be outcast from the audiophile
 community for heresy.
 
 If the cable manufacturers can't sell outrageously priced USB, CAT 5
 and other digital cables what will happen to Stereophile's advertising
 revenue stream?I might worry if I believed my comments have a significant 
 influence.

Kal


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-19 Thread ralphpnj

Kal Rubinson;577671 Wrote: 
 I might worry if I believed my comments have a significant influence.
 
 Kal

Okay Kal that does it - by not thinking that every audiophile hangs on
each of your written words you have violated one the of the most basic
of all audiophile laws - the infallibility of the golden eared
professional reviewer.

Now because I enjoy your writing and since you appear to be one of the
good guys I will not post a link to this thread on the Stereophile
forum and your heresy will remain our little secret;)

And thanks for having such a good sense of humor!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread ralphpnj

ralphpnj;577275 Wrote: 
 I agree with iPhone. Maybe I somehow missed it but when did a USB
 connection become the most desirable one? Last thing I recall was
 reading about what big pain in the neck USB connections where and how
 much better it was to transmit the data via a network connection,
 something about jitter and bit perfect but who knows. My feeling is
 that JS did it just to see if it could be done and in an honest effort
 to explore all possible ways of connecting a Touch.

OGS;577292 Wrote: 
 Yes, certainly! I've tried to make this work with my Touch, but no
 sucess... Does this include support for async USB mode?
 
  ralphpnj and iPhone, have you actually listened to a Music
 Streamer USB DAC, the Ayre or one of the other asynchronous USB dacs?
 You should before you state things like this

Sorry to have to quote myself but exactly where did I say anything
about the sound of a USB connection? I'm fairly certain that a USB
connection can be made to work as well as a SPDIF connection but as
iPhione correctly points out why bother? It's not as if the Touch only
has a USB connection.

However now I guess we're going a long round of posts claiming that
using the Touch with a USB connection is superior to using the SPDIF
connection. Oh well, have fun.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread Kal Rubinson

adamdea;577296 Wrote: 
 ..and KR saying in his touch review that via the USB out to
 the ayre it gave the best digital 2 channel sound he had heard, I'm
 guessing.But I didn't say that USB was the critical element.  Some of it has 
 to
be due to the quality of the Ayre DAC.  ;-)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread OGS

ralphpnj;577384 Wrote: 
 
 However now I guess we're going a long round of posts claiming that
 using the Touch with a USB connection is superior to using the SPDIF
 connection. Oh well, have fun.

No, not from me.
I am using Touch with S/PDIF coax to my Tact, sounds very nice. I also
have a Music Streamer II+. This is a much better DAC than the one in
the Tact. When I get the Touch USB output to work with the Music
Streamer I'll have much better sound, with all the benefits of the
Touch. I use the Music Streamer with Vortexbox Player now. That sounds
great. The down side is that I loose the Tact room correction in this
configuration so I'm testing BrutefirDRC at the moment.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread ralphpnj

OGS;577426 Wrote: 
 No, not from me.
 I am using Touch with S/PDIF coax to my Tact, sounds very nice. I also
 have a Music Streamer II+. This is a much better DAC than the one in
 the Tact. When I get the Touch USB output to work with the Music
 Streamer I'll have much better sound, with all the benefits of the
 Touch. I use the Music Streamer with Vortexbox Player now. That sounds
 great. The down side is that I loose the Tact room correction in this
 configuration so I'm testing BrutefirDRC at the moment.

Using a Tact for room correction is definitely not an audiophile
approved configuration but since this is not the Audiophiles section
I guess that it is allowable and forgivable:)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread OGS

ralphpnj;577429 Wrote: 
 Using a Tact for room correction is definitely not an audiophile
 approved configuration but since this is not the Audiophiles section
 I guess that it is allowable and forgivable:)

Oh I could just as well posted it in Audiophiles. I have not read any
definitive definitions of audiophile, but I doubt yours would qualify.
If you like to talk rubbish I'll leave you to it...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread ralphpnj

OGS;577431 Wrote: 
 Oh I could just as well posted it in Audiophiles. I have not read any
 definitive definitions of audiophile, but I doubt yours would
 qualify. If you like to talk rubbish I'll leave you to it...

Funny I wasn't trying to talk rubbish rather I was trying to be
funny. Many audiophiles believe in maintaining a system as free as
possible from tampering with the signal, such as pre-amps with no
tone controls or loudness circuits and of course any type of DSP, which
is exactly what the Tact does.

While I used hold to much purer audiophile beliefs as I've grown
older my attitude has moved steadily in the direction of if it makes
you happy and by being happy you enjoy the music more, than by all
means go for it.

And so if you like the way the Tact sounds and you enjoy listening to
music using it who am I tell you it's bad.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread adamdea

Kal Rubinson;577410 Wrote: 
 But I didn't say that USB was the critical element.  Some of it has to
 be due to the quality of the Ayre DAC.  ;-)
 
 Kal
Well quite. But then there is a reason why the ayre dac has a USB input
and a USB input only.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-18 Thread ralphpnj

adamdea;577465 Wrote: 
 Well quite. But then equally there is (as I recall) a reason why the
 ayre dac has a USB input and a USB input only.

Sure there is:

To sell to all the audiophiles who have been led to believe that only
way to get music form their computer is via iTunes and a USB
connection.

One step forward and two steps backward!!!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-17 Thread JohnSwenson

Give me a day or two and I'll post the instructions. There are some
caveats, its NOT plug ang and play, if you make the file modification
to use a USB DAC you can't get output from any other output, it will
JUST play to the USB DAC. You also loose the UI sounds (beeps etc when
you touch the screen). 

You cannot use a USB DAC that requires a custom driver, it must be one
that can work with a generic USB driver. 

If you can live with these it works well.

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-17 Thread ralphpnj

iPhone;577089 Wrote: 
 I believe that John S has been able to get USB output. IIRC he said it
 was going to take a hardware hack though if one wanted to disable the
 Analog and Digital outputs though.
 
 I still don't think it will be better then Coax Digital out though.
 There are so many issues with USB to DAC that I don't even consider it
 worth fooling with. And I know of only two companies that are even
 remotely dealing properly with the issues. And if one can afford their
 DAC, one can afford to buy different equipment so one doesn't have to
 depend on the USB for digital output.

I agree with iPhone. Maybe I somehow missed it but when did a USB
connection become the most desirable one? Last thing I recall was
reading about what big pain in the neck USB connections where and how
much better it was to transmit the data via a network connection,
something about jitter and bit perfect but who knows. My feeling is
that JS did it just to see if it could be done and in an honest effort
to explore all possible ways of connecting a Touch.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-17 Thread OGS

JohnSwenson;577270 Wrote: 
 
 If you can live with these it works well.
 
 John S.

Yes, certainly! I've tried to make this work with my Touch, but no
sucess... Does this include support for async USB mode?

 ralphpnj and iPhone, have you actually listened to a Music
Streamer USB DAC, the Ayre or one of the other asynchronous USB dacs?
You should before you state things like this


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB Output? Anybody do it yet?

2010-09-17 Thread adamdea

ralphpnj;577275 Wrote: 
 I agree with iPhone. Maybe I somehow missed it but when did a USB
 connection become the most desirable one? Last thing I recall was
 reading about what big pain in the neck USB connections where and how
 much better it was to transmit the data via a network connection,
 something about jitter and bit perfect but who knows. My feeling is
 that JS did it just to see if it could be done and in an honest effort
 to explore all possible ways of connecting a Touch.
Sometime imbetween stereophile getting excitable about that ayre dac,
dcs adding a USB  input and KR saying in his touch review that via the
USB out to the ayre it gave the best digital 2 channel sound he had
heard, I'm guessing.


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