Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
Like RadioClash, I have been reluctant to try the screen off mod. Is text stll visible on screen when changing tracks? (No I-pad or I-Phone) -- Covenant Covenant's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36495 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hi gents. I just forked this thread over to 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=602139#post602139) since I found this thread title kind of misleading. ;) I btw added chapter 1.8 to the blog making some comments about upgrades. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's audio@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hi folks. As requested, I added a little screenshot to the blog to hopefully make the installation a bit easier. I also revised a bit the flac and other formats decoding instructions. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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soundcheck;601626 Wrote: Dear Phil. Just try it - I made it very easy for you and others to change values. You can do simple ABX testing on any of the mods I present. Dear Klaus - I will indeed try everything. I installed your software yesterday and will get to work with it tomorrow! soundcheck;601626 Wrote: And if you can't hear or measure it, that doesn't mean that it does not exists It just means that you can't hear or measure it under your conditions, which are different from the rest of the world. Not any system is the same. And measurements are an art on its own. I don't believe in any of those measurements out there. Hmmm... Certainly if I can't hear it in my system that doesn't mean others can't hear it in their systems. All I can do is report my findings. As for measurements... let's see what happens, shall we? Cheers Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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hi soundcheck, after applying your mods succesfully it got me thinking that you must have done extensive messing with the touch.is it at possible in any shape or form that you can tell the touch not to look for updates.thank.kind regards scott -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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scooot;602025 Wrote: hi soundcheck, after applying your mods succesfully it got me thinking that you must have done extensive messing with the touch.is it at possible in any shape or form that you can tell the touch not to look for updates.thank.kind regards scott In Squeezebox Server... SettingsAdvancedDropdown MenuSoftware Updates SelectDon't check for software updates. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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scooot;602025 Wrote: that you must have done extensive messing Dear scooot. How comes that you figured out I've been doing extensive messing on the Touch. Please let me know what makes you think so. I'd strongly recommend that you better stay away from my Toolbox with this kind of attitude. Just press the black button on the back - it's that easy. Otherwise have look at my programs - these are just scripts. You can easily figure out on your own about what mess you're actually talking about and how an upgrade process would be affected by those. Or you might want to read my blog first. There you'll find what revisions are supported. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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soundcheck;602029 Wrote: Dear scooot. How comes that you figured out I've been doing extensive messing on the Touch. Please let me know what makes you think so. I'd strongly recommend that you better stay away from my Toolbox with this kind of attitude. Just press the black button on the back - it's that easy. Otherwise have a look at my programs - these are just scripts (text files). You can easily figure out on your own about what mess you're actually talking about and how an upgrade process would be affected by those. Or you might want to read my blog first. There you'll find what revisions are supported. Cheers don't know scoot, but just wanted to point out that you may have misinterpreted his comment as being negative in some way. I think he was giving you a great compliment and simply saying that your mods worked great and this indicates that you very much understand how the TOUCH works. And given this knowledge, he just wanted help with how to tell the TOUCH to NOT ask to upgrade firmware. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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garym;602030 Wrote: don't know scoot, but just wanted to point out that you may have misinterpreted his comment as being negative in some way. I think he was giving you a great compliment and simply saying that your mods worked great and this indicates that you very much understand how the TOUCH works. And given this knowledge, he just wanted help with how to tell the TOUCH to NOT ask to upgrade firmware. +1 on that Gary.slang expressions are always very difficult to transfer from one language/culture to another. I don't thing scoot meant to insult in any way. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hi Klaus, With buffer set to 3600 i had sometimes some very small dropout clicks. I set buffer to 3700 and now everything seems to work perfect. Thanks for Your work :) p. -- praganj praganj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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hi garym,rgro thanks for that,that is exactly what i meant.anybody reading my earlier posts would have known this as i highly praised souncheck for helping me with applying the mods.not to forget RGRO's help who has given me great advice. soundcheck,sorry if you miss understood me.my intensions were purely positive toward you.regards scott -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Klaus: I have enabled PCM stream, disabled analog outputs, and enabled screen off. Each step has had a positive effect and, as you pointed out, these effects are cumulative. I was very skeptical that turning off the screen would make much difference, but I was wrong. The total effect, in my system, is absolutely *not* subtle. Your mods have propelled the Touch up to an entirely new level of clarity and musicality. Thanks again! Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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The one mod I have been reluctant to try is the screen off. I love my screen! -- RadioClash RadioClash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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rgro;602035 Wrote: +1 on that Gary.slang expressions are always very difficult to transfer from one language/culture to another. I don't thing scoot meant to insult in any way. Sorry, If I misunderstood the expression messing around. I'm gonna take it as compliment in the future. :D -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's audio@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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rgro;601495 Wrote: For me, it was moving up one in the root directory that wasn't clear. I easily copied the file over to the directory that came up on the right side of the browser window (and you have to remember to set the browser window to Commander mode, otherwise you only get one pane) but that was, of course, the wrong directory. I finally figured out that I needed to go up a directory, put the file there and, voila, all was good from there on. When you're completely unfamiliar with this stuff, nothing is obvious. Sometimes, when you work with something every day or know it inside and out, it's really hard to see that something that is completely automatic for you could really befuddle somebody seeing it for the first time. That's why a good technical/manual writer is worth their weight in goldcan forestall hundreds/thousands of tech support emails, calls, name-calling, etc. ;). You did great, Soundcheck...just needed a few tweaks for us noobslike anything else does. Thx for the feedback. It's obviously not that easy.I never stepped over commander mode. What I'm gonna do is I'm packaging the toolbox with absolute path assigned. Now it's done according to standard: the files got a relative path assigned. When unpacking at the wrong place a filetree will be built from your actual location. Consequence: All the files end up at the wrong place. That's why some people get in trouble. If done absolute you can unpack them wherever you want. They'll always end up at the right spot and you guys save one step. Some background: Packages are packed the relative way because it is more secure. If done absolute, it can bear a security risk. Criminal minds could put nice little gadgets at any place they want to. My scripts are open. Everybody with scripting/programming skills can see what I'm doing. That should put all of you on the save side. ;) Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I'd like to understand the thinking behind the buffer sizing... why should this impact anything? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;601574 Wrote: I'd like to understand the thinking behind the buffer sizing... why should this impact anything? Also this discussion http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82670highlight=SB+Touch%3A+Alsa+Buffer+Size+Settings -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb;601590 Wrote: Also this discussion http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82670highlight=SB+Touch%3A+Alsa+Buffer+Size+Settings Thanks. I still can't see why reducing the buffer size would improve audio. The CPU utilisation is unchanged. Memory is not being paged out/page faulting. If anything, the system will be under more strain/risk trying to manage a buffer that is on the edge... ? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;601609 Wrote: Thanks. I still can't see why reducing the buffer size would improve audio. The CPU utilisation is unchanged. Memory is not being paged out/page faulting. If anything, the system will be under more strain/risk trying to manage a buffer that is on the edge... ? Actually not me either, but as you see you can break it instead ? I just wanted you to see the discussion ? Minimal latency might not be a need here ? I don't use the built in server and I have turned of some stuff like wlan and smb etc as I never intend to use it ever, cpu usage is very low anyway now. *If* the buffer is sensitive it sure have the possibility to sound different if you brake it in a non obvious way ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;601574 Wrote: I'd like to understand the thinking behind the buffer sizing... why should this impact anything? Dear Phil. Just try it - I made it very easy for you and others to change values. You can do simple ABX testing on any of the mods I present. And if you can't hear or measure it, that doesn't mean that it does not exists It just means that you can't hear or measure it under your conditions, which are different from the rest of the world. Not any system is the same. And measurements are an art on its own. I don't believe in any of those measurements out there. You can turn all on and off with one command. I play completely open here. Yep. I do even claim that turning off a channel in asound.conf makes a difference. As I wrote on the BLOG: Less is more - that's the philosophy behind all my mods. It's that simple. You might want to look at the alsa pages how a buffer works and gets managed. Don't forget to look up the code and kernel scheduler, timers drivers, interrupt handler, power supplies asf. to figure it out. Good luck. You'll need it. I just stopped speculating about what's causing this or that. You see that the discussions I started earlier ( see Mnyb link) won't lead anywhere. I just try an idea and see if it works. I can tell you I tried plenty of other measures which went into the wrong direction. People like Gordon Rankin (Wavelength Audio) are not able to nail those effects down, even though he got the best analyzers and equipment at hand. At least people like him and Charles Hansen (Ayre) meanwhile admit that those effects exists. Hansen even wrote his own player. (And all thhis sudden honesty took a lot of time to show up. (Due to obvious business related reasons. If all DACs suffer you admit it openly. If not the effect doesn't exist because you can't measure it - pretty simple marketing strategy to protect your product.) Even those guys enjoy software like Amarra or similar, because it just makes computer based audio sounding better. Again good luck on your quest. I gotta run. Need to enjoy my small buffers settings. :D Beside that I need to figure out new mods. Listening to great sound challenges my creativity to go after more. :D Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Klaus, Very big thank you for making these mods open to us all. I found your instructions just fine, although i'm probably a little more tech savy with this kind of things than a lot of people here. What I didn't expect was quite how big the impact your changes have had. I played around with some of your earlier mods and found the effect fairly minimal. Now the changes to SQ are very obvious even playing fairly low bandwidth streaming radio and MP3s. I guess that switching off the wireless and the screen is probably contributing significantly. Thanks again. Richard. -- slackhead slackhead's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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slackhead;601629 Wrote: I guess that switching off the wireless and the screen is probably contributing significantly. All modification are of cumulative nature. Some of them got more some less impact. That's right. ;) That's why I'm saying if you can't run wired or with screen off - don't expect huge jumps. Many people asked for WLAN on/off though. I wasn't really happy with this request. However I still built that feature in. Even small improvements can be enjoyable. Thx for the feedback. Good to see that it worked out for you too. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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soundcheck;601644 Wrote: All modification are of cumulative nature. Some of them got more some less impact. That's right. ;) That's why I'm saying if you can't run wired or with screen off - don't expect huge jumps. Many people asked for WLAN on/off though. I wasn't really happy with this request. However I still built that feature in. Even small improvements can be enjoyable. Thx for the feedback. Good to see that it worked out for you too. Klaus: Many thanks for making your mods available to all! (I've made a donation). Unfortunately, at this time I'm unable to turn off the WLAN, but I enabled the PCM stream to the Touch and turned off the analog outputs. Of these two, the PCM seemed to have the greatest impact. I had to set the buffer size to 4000. I'll try the screen-off next. What I hear is a greater overall clarity. On well recorded music, I hear better definition of instrument lines and voices and, surprisingly, tighter and more tuneful bass. Well worth the effort, which you made fairly simple for those, like me, with limited IT skills. Again, thanks a lot, and keep at it! Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hello Klaus, Nice work on these mods! Music gets even more relaxed with them flipped on! Do you think it could be possible to turn the screen driver back on without a reboot? and possibly tie that to a remote control button press? (basically one of the screen savers you can cycle through) that would be awesome! Thanks for the great work! -- sckramer Squeezebox Touch (w/Touch Toolbox 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen level 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen level 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hi all, I've been testing the mods since sunday and they are very impressive. More clean sound and treble extension (which I cannot explain). 24/96 works with no problems at all. The wifi has significant negative impact. My suggestion is to use two routers in bridge mode. I use two airport extreme with good results. So the problem is not the wifi per se but having wifi working inside the SBT. My system: musical Fidelity v-dac, kt88 diy amp, triangle comete es speakers, nordost red dawn cables. -- Paa Paa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Hello Klaus! thank you for making the mods available! Just wanted to share my experience with the Alsa buffer-setting: Had to change the suggested 3600us to 8000us (I'm not sure about 7000us, but 6000us definitely did not work in my setup). Does this probably have to do with the fact, that I'm using WLAN instead of ethernet? Thanks, Arno -- welom welom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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hi welom, i can't give you the answer you are looking for only to say i am still using wlan and have the buffer set to 3600 with no problems so far.i only did mods last night but have listened to about 4 hours of music.regards scott -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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HI all, Installed the Mod2.0 last night, I have to increase the buffer to 4800 to totally eliminate the pop. The 2.0 is much more easy to install even though I'm new to linux. The big step improvement over the 1.0, I hear better bass definition clearer high. Highly recommended. Thanks applause to Klaus -- Bryan Jan Regards, Bryan SB Touch+EMM Labs DAC2 Bryan Jan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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The Toolbox 2.0 is great as was the 1.0 but much easier to install. Guys think about some donation to soundcheck (bottom of his page) this is a lot of work to share that with us... Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;601241 Wrote: hmmm... random gratuitous insult = 12 year old troll? Show me ONE nasty thing I have ever posted... please note: truth!=nasty Phildon't waste one more second of your time on this child. His main goal in life is to try to engage people in pi**ing contests...the ultimate loser. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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rgro;601325 Wrote: Phildon't waste one more second of your time on this child. His main goal in life is to try to engage people in pi**ing contests...the ultimate loser. I hear ya! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil Leigh;601333 Wrote: I hear ya! I'll be quite interested to hear your evaluation of these mods. I have not yet done the wi-fi mod as our ethernet project is still a few days away (everything going wired except our laptops) and won't be turning the screen off due to vociferous spousal objections (aka VSO's in audiophile circles). I've done all the other mods, though (had to go to 4000 on the buffer to clear up the pops). Even with the incomplete mods, my admittedly unreliable brain still seems to think that there is a cleaner sound to the music. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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rgro;601343 Wrote: I'll be quite interested to hear your evaluation of these mods. I have not yet done the wi-fi mod as our ethernet project is still a few days away (everything going wired except our laptops) and won't be turning the screen off due to vociferous spousal objections (aka VSO's in audiophile circles). I've done all the other mods, though (had to go to 4000 on the buffer to clear up the pops). Even with the incomplete mods, my admittedly unreliable brain still seems to think that there is a cleaner sound to the music. I'm working on it! - won't have any results today. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ste1;601174 Wrote: one thing that needs clarifying in your instructions is the copying to /root or /root/root in winscp as this can be confusing. I agree. The page does say it, but make it a little more explicit that logging in may require clicking up to the root directory. I missed that at first. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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firedog;601409 Wrote: I agree. The page does say it, but make it a little more explicit that logging in may require clicking up to the root directory. I missed that at first. You might want read the updated phrase. Perhaps I'm gonna upload a screenshot. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I have half done the mods but have ran into a problem. I get an error message which says failed with return code 127. I didn't get this yesterday when I tried altering the buffer to 3600, that worked and ttstat works but the error message pops up when I try ttout-d. Ssh is enabled. Any clues? -- Covenant Covenant's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36495 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Covenant;601436 Wrote: I have half done the mods but have ran into a problem. I get an error message which says failed with return code 127. I didn't get this yesterday when I tried altering the buffer to 3600, that worked and ttstat works but the error message pops up when I try ttout-d. Ssh is enabled. Any clues? ttout -dspace? -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Brilliant, thats sorted it, thanks Klaus. I got a couple of popping sounds with the buffer at 3600 so have changed it to 4000. A home-made linear power supply is under production at the moment after which I will think about the Sfilter. I am using WLAN at the moment but need to figure a neat way to get a cable between floors without upsetting the wife. Thanks again, you deserve a medal. -- Covenant Covenant's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36495 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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In WinSCP, I copied the toolbox onto what seemed the right directory of the Touch (/root/*.*). In the terminal window, I entered the command 'tar xvf touchtoolbox2.0.tar' I watched the unpacking and distribution appear. Then, still in the terminal window I entered 'ttinit' and got the following messages: COMMAND 'PWD' FAILED WITH RETURN CODE 0 AND ERROR MESSAGE -SH: TTINIT: NOT FOUND and COMMAND 'TTINIT' FAILED WITH RETURN CODE 127 AND ERROR MESSAGE Any charitable soul that can point out what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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guidof;601450 Wrote: In WinSCP, I copied the toolbox onto what seemed the right directory of the Touch (/root/*.*). In the terminal window, I entered the command 'tar xvf touchtoolbox2.0.tar' I watched the unpacking and distribution appear. Then, still in the terminal window I entered 'ttinit' and got the following messages: COMMAND 'PWD' FAILED WITH RETURN CODE 0 AND ERROR MESSAGE -SH: TTINIT: NOT FOUND and COMMAND 'TTINIT' FAILED WITH RETURN CODE 127 AND ERROR MESSAGE Any charitable soul that can point out what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. Guido F. OOPS!! Never mind, on the third try it worked. (Don't ask me how). Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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hi soundcheck, is there any chance you can post some screen shots of the touch mods procedure.i am totaly lost off from 1.2.4 on the instructions.i am very limited on computer based knowledge so it is just going over my head.i very much want to do the mods.thanks.kind regards scott. -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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soundcheck;601426 Wrote: You might want read the updated phrase. Perhaps I'm gonna upload a screenshot.[/QUOTE A screenshot and a little revision to the instruction would be perfect as that was the part that tripped me up, too. Thanks for all your great work, Soundcheck! -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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scooot;601458 Wrote: hi soundcheck, is there any chance you can post some screen shots of the touch mods procedure.i am totaly lost off from 1.2.4 on the instructions.i am very limited on computer based knowledge so it is just going over my head.i very much want to do the mods.thanks.kind regards scott. More people seem to have a problem to copy a file from a to b. I assumed this would not be any different or more complex then using MS explorer. Totally lost!?!? Come on, you must be kidding. When logging in to the Touch you login as user root. That's why you end up in the /root directory first. From here we need to go one directory level up -- you just doubleclick on the single folder icon on the right hand side of that WinScp file browser. Then you'll see several directories showing up e.g /usr /sys /var /tmp asf. on the right side. Now you're in the / directory. Almost done. :D Now you change directory on the PC side (left) of that WinSCP browser to pick your downloaded toolbox file where you downloaded it and just drop it into the right side. You're done. Now you just continue to run all the commands as described from 1.2.5 onwards. Best: copy/paste those listed commands. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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soundcheck;601476 Wrote: More people seem to have a problem to copy a file from a to b. I assumed this would not be any different or more complex then using MS explorer. Totally lost!?!? Come on, you must be kidding. When logging in to the Touch you login as user root. That's why you end up in the /root directory first. From here we need to go one directory level up -- you just doubleclick on the single folder icon on the right hand side of that WinScp file browser. Then you'll see several directories showing up e.g /usr /sys /var /tmp asf. on the right side. Now you're in the / directory. Almost done. :D Now you change directory on the PC side (left) of that WinSCP browser to pick your downloaded toolbox file where you downloaded it and just drop it into the right side. You're done. Now you just continue to run all the commands as described from 1.2.5 onwards. Best: copy/paste those listed commands. For me, it was moving up one in the root directory that wasn't clear. I easily copied the file over to the directory that came up on the right side of the browser window (and you have to remember to set the browser window to Commander mode, otherwise you only get one pane) but that was, of course, the wrong directory. I finally figured out that I needed to go up a directory, put the file there and, voila, all was good from there on. When you're completely unfamiliar with this stuff, nothing is obvious. Sometimes, when you work with something every day or know it inside and out, it's really hard to see that something that is completely automatic for you could really befuddle somebody seeing it for the first time. That's why a good technical/manual writer is worth their weight in goldcan forestall hundreds/thousands of tech support emails, calls, name-calling, etc. ;). You did great, Soundcheck...just needed a few tweaks for us noobslike anything else does. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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hi rgro/soundcheck, a massive thanks to you both for helping me out with this.wife and kids went to bed so i thought i would give it a go with a bit of quiet.i think i have it cracked.changed the buffer to 3600,output to digital out only.this is what i now have when going to ttstat. soundcheck's SBT Toolbox 2.00: Modification Status Modification WLAN: disabled Modification Watchdog: enabled Modification Jive2: enabled Unknown HZ value! (90) Assume 100. Modification Buffer:enabled Buffersize: 3600us Modification Screen:disabled Audio outputs: Analog: off Digital: on USB: off Modification Kernel:enabled soundcheck, if you look at the line :- modification Wlan: it has disabled next to it.does this say this as i have not applied the mod because my wlan is still working.i plan to hard wire but will have to cut holes in hardwwod floor at some point to route cable neatly out of sight. i know you probably think im thick as this is probably basic computer knowledge but believe me i struggled.saying that i think i eventually got there.you learn something new everyday.i will be leaving a donation. thanks again for all the help i have recieved from forum members with regards to this mod.kind regards scott -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Sounds like you finally got it knocked! Congrats. At 3600 I defintely had a few Rice Krispies (snap, crackle, pop), so went up to 4000 as some others have done. I've been listening to music most of the day and haven't heard anything untoward, so I think 4000 is good for me, now. Yeah, when it says that the WLAN mod is disabled it means you've NOT applied the mod, yet. So, the Touch's wi-fi card is still on and working. You definitely don't want to do that one until you've got the Touch successfully changed over to ethernet---something I'm hopefully going to have a go at later this week when our CAT 6 wiring project gets done! -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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rgro, cheers mate.thanks again,all the best.scott -- scooot scooot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Gazjam;600895 Wrote: +1 Fantastic improvement to the Touch's overall sound. One thing though, after installing all the mods and checking with ttstat, I see the following entry? Unknown HZ value! (90) Assume 100 What does this mean Klaus, and is it a problem? Thanks very much...I'll be letting other forum folks know all about these fantastic mods. You deserve reward for your work. No its not a problem. I actually left a remark about it on the blog, because I knew this question would be coming. It's a kernel related problem. Logitech just need to apply a kernel patch for solving it. BTW. I just changed from Beta to Normal status. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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See that now, thanks. Is there any change to the downloaded file toolbox 2.0 now that your out of beta Klaus? Would we have to rerun the process in other words? Many thanks. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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No - No changes from Beta to Final. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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why is Phil Leigh so nasty? lives with his mother? lighten up... -- naimlinn naimlinn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42813 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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OK, so I have a problem before I even start. On the Touch, I've enabled ssh as remote login On the WinSCP dialog box, I entered the Player IP address (192.168.1.6), the user name (root), the password (1234), the (default) port (22), the protocol (SCP), and pressed login and . . . \NETWORK ERROR, CONNECTION REFUSED\ What am I doing stupidly wrong? Thanks for any help Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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guidof;601157 Wrote: OK, so I have a problem before I even start. On the Touch, I've enabled ssh as remote login On the WinSCP dialog box, I entered the Player IP address (192.168.1.6), the user name (root), the password (1234), the (default) port (22), the protocol (SCP), and pressed login and . . . \NETWORK ERROR, CONNECTION REFUSED\ What am I doing stupidly wrong? Thanks for any help Guido F. Are you sure your IP ends with .6 and not 206? Check your Touch setting once more. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Thanks very much for the quick reply! Yes, I actually pasted the Player IP address just to make double sure. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Since I have a another dig. steamer, anyone interested in my HW modified (internal coupling caps bridged) Touch with or without SBooster + linear PS (Best of Two Worlds)? Let me know if so in a PM. Regards -- JKlein JKlein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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praganj;600919 Wrote: I just installed the new toolbox from soundcheck. It works great ! Many thanks to Klaus (soundcheck) ! Me too. My Touch sounds even fab-er now!! Many thanks for doing this. I have made a small donation via paypal ;) nb - one thing that needs clarifying in your instructions is the copying to /root or /root/root in winscp as this can be confusing. -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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guidof;601162 Wrote: Soundcheck: Thanks very much for the quick reply! Yes, I actually pasted the Player IP address just to make double sure. Guido F. Make sure you have SSH enabled on the Touch, itself. That was exactly the message I got when I'd forgotten to do that. After it was enabled everything proceeded more or less smoothly. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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ste1;601174 Wrote: Me too. My Touch sounds even fab-er now!! Many thanks for doing this. I have made a small donation via paypal ;) nb - one thing that needs clarifying in your instructions is the copying to /root or /root/root in winscp as this can be confusing. +1 on that. Being a tech numpty and in Linux infancy, it wasn't exactly clear. I finally got it, but it definitely took me about 5 tries to finally figure it out! -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wireless) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wireless) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.2 r31646 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.1 r9218. Duet: FW 66. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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rgro;601210 Wrote: Make sure you have SSH enabled on the Touch, itself. That was exactly the message I got when I'd forgotten to do that. After it was enabled everything proceeded more or less smoothly. Thanks, rgro. I will go back and recheck (tomorrow). Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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If you SSH over wifi it can time out try 2-3 times in a row then your in. goes for all of them controller radio and touch. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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naimlinn;601130 Wrote: why is Phil Leigh so nasty? lives with his mother? lighten up... hmmm... random gratuitous insult = 12 year old troll? Show me ONE nasty thing I have ever posted... please note: truth!=nasty -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
the 2.0 mods are now downloadable: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html I unpacked the file in my Touch root directory, but the directions he gives for initializing the files (run commmand ttinit) in the root folder didn't work. I get not found. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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firedog;600760 Wrote: the 2.0 mods are now downloadable: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html I unpacked the file in my Touch root directory, but the directions he gives for initializing the files (run commmand ttinit) in the root folder didn't work. I get not found. As a matter of fact - I uploaded a BETA version for testing last night. Feedback is appreciated. I hope to have enough feedback by tomorrow to get away from BETA. Several people managed to get it installed according to instructions already. Your issue: Please check if you've been in the right directory when unpacking the tarfile. Otherwise it won't work. While unpacking the file ( running the tar command) you should see the file exctraction printouts in the terminal window. If not something obviously went wrong. You might try a copy/paste of the listed tar command. Good luck. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's au...@vise - Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Klaus- Thanks - I tried again and it works. Cool program, especially the new features that let us check to see changes are working and to store the setup. As soon as I see everything works as it should, I'll make a contribution. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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firedog;600773 Wrote: Klaus- Thanks - I tried again and it works. Cool program, especially the new features that let us check to see changes are working and to store the setup. As soon as I see everything works as it should, I'll make a contribution. +1 Fantastic improvement to the Touch's overall sound. One thing though, after installing all the mods and checking with ttstat, I see the following entry? Unknown HZ value! (90) Assume 100 What does this mean Klaus, and is it a problem? Thanks very much...I'll be letting other forum folks know all about these fantastic mods. You deserve reward for your work. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I just installed the new toolbox from soundcheck. It works great ! Many thanks to Klaus (soundcheck) ! -- praganj praganj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Soundcheck is back with version 2, not down loadable yet but looks like it will be soon once final testing is done. If I'm correct there is an addition to turn of the wireless receiver which wasn't in version 1. http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/p/squeezebox-touch-great-base-for-network.html Dave -- dogsnadgers dogsnadgers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
iPhone;596625 Wrote: Now really, you don't think that if the actual builders of the device could improve things by simply changing the code that they won't?! Get real! If one wants to imagine that they hear a difference afterwords, then by all means software mod away if it makes one think they are getting more for their money or out of the unit. Except that in this case changing the code does things like turn off the wireless module, which is something the developers would never do. The developers are NOT trying to make the best sounding device they can. They are trying to include a certain feature set, hit a certain price point, and at the same time get a sound quality level that matches the MARKETING goals. By definition, they have to make compromises that affect ultimate SQ. The Touch was not designed for the best sound we can get. It was designed to get the best sound we can, while including all the features we need for a product with broad market appeal,and we have to hit the MSRP of $300 so the mass market will buy it. Conversely, many mods are done on the basis of lets go for better SQ, even if we lose one of the software or hardware features - because we don't care about those features. In an earlier discussion of these mods, someone wrote that they couldn't understand the point of a mod that turned off the screen of the Touch. Why buy the Touch, then?, they asked. But that mod could make sense for someone who has no intention of using the Touch screen in their setup, and sits too far from the Touch for the display to be useful. That person bought the Touch for its OTHER features, and the screen wasn't important to them. I modded my Touch in a way that eliminated the analogue out and replaced it with clocks/connectors to a master clock. Do I care? No, b/c I had no intention of using the Touch as anything other than a digital transport/user interface. Logitech would never make a mod like that, as it would limit their customer base to owners of external DACs and master clocks - a very small market segment. Does the mod improve the sound? Definitely. If you do care about those features, don't try the mods that eliminate them. If those features don't matter to you, consider giving the mods a try. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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He says he's in favor of open source and doesn't wan't to commercialize his product. So what difference does it make if someone misuses his mods - That can be done with any open source software. If someone wants to steal it and misuse it, they can. If he was planning to charge for his mods I'd understand it, but unless he is, it seems like he is creating a problem for himself. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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firedog;596570 Wrote: He says he's in favor of open source and doesn't wan't to commercialize his product. So what difference does it make if someone misuses his mods - That can be done with any open source software. If someone wants to steal it and misuse it, they can. If he was planning to charge for his mods I'd understand it, but unless he is, it seems like he is creating a problem for himself. I don't see how it is possible for anyone to charge for modifying (or hacking around) open-source code... this is simply silly. Also, he doesn't have a product he has some hacks to someone else's product... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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praganj;596136 Wrote: Luckily few months ago i downloaded and saved older modes... Guess I missed those. Any chance of posting or linking to the info for the software mods. I'll pass on any hardware mods. -- RadioClash RadioClash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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RadioClash;596614 Wrote: Guess I missed those. Any chance of posting or linking to the info for the software mods. I'll pass on any hardware mods. Now really, you don't think that if the actual builders of the device could improve things by simply changing the code that they won't?! Get real! If one wants to imagine that they hear a difference afterwards, then by all means software mod away if it makes one think they are getting more for their money or out of the unit. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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You can give me your money and I would influence your Touch from a distance with my psychic powers trough the phlogiston or ether , I like money $$$ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
iPhone;596625 Wrote: Now really, you don't think that if the actual builders of the device could improve things by simply changing the code that they won't?! Get real! If one wants to imagine that they hear a difference afterwards, then by all means software mod away if it makes one think they are getting more for their money or out of the unit. But why would they? The developers are putting together a software package for general purpose use by large numbers of people, they are trying to get a large set of functionality out of the device. The mods in question are all about turning things off or down that are not essential for the actual playback of music. The fewer stuff running on the computer the less the processor has to work and the fewer memory accesses there are. This DOES decrease the noise on supply and ground plane. The Touch already has pretty low noise, which is one of the reasons it does sound so good, BUT its NOT zero. I can measure noise on the supply and ground plane and this noise does change with what is going on software wise. I don't have good enough test equipment to determine EXACTLY the mechanism how each change in software actually affects the outputs, but its good enough to see that there are actual electrical changes in the box that have the possibility of affecting the outputs. They are not large changes it is true. But then audiophiledom is all about getting the last little nth of improvement. Thats what these sorts of changes do, they are all about getting the best out of the equipment that you can get. Its definitely not for everybody. You do give up functionality in order to achieve that slight improvement. The changes are reversible so if you don't like them or you don't think the improvement is worth what you give up, you don't have to use it. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I totally agreed with you John. Just hope Soundcheck will check his mind. -- Bryan Jan Regards, Bryan SB Touch+EMM Labs DAC2 Bryan Jan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb;596767 Wrote: Does it really translates to measurable/significant changes at the *outputs* of the Touch ? Dramatic changes on the digital output is also claimed ? Id love to see an audio diff maker test on these things. These changes also include server-side changes to send FLAC as WAV this have been proven by other forum members with the ability to measure it that it does not change the outputs of any squeezebox. The perspective we need is that these are small differences. Mr soudchecks enthusiastic writing about how every so small change in a config on computer audio devices makes dramatic changes defies all beliefs ? Never the less shutting down wifi I've done because I simply don't use it and Touch have very sparse system resources they may be needed elsewhere. Everyone can use the Forum search functions all old discussions are archived , the easiest way would be to got to sound-checks profile and view all his post that can anyone do . Or search for similar discussions . Very well this is a hobby enjoy . But if this is turning in to a business proposition I would like to see. Before and after measurements on the device . I will do the tests next year - but I'm afraid few will accept the results. The theory that it is processor related noise (presumably on the ground plane of the digital connection) that can impact the DAC as jitter can be easily tested by injecting artifical noise into the circuit. Another aspect rarely discussed is that there should be a difference when an SB plays out from its internal buffer only, with the network disconnected... Likewise, a 24/48 track simply upsampled to 24/96 should sound worse because the processor is doing more work... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Nobody cares ? -- praganj praganj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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praganj;596384 Wrote: Nobody cares ? What keeps me back posting those modifications to the community is the fear that these might be misused or copied by others for different commercial purposes. I do have the feeling that I need to avoid this to happen. go figure... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
Too bad -- Bryan Jan Regards, Bryan SB Touch+EMM Labs DAC2 Bryan Jan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
