RE: [U2] uv pe
Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live environment? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a different id, but that was it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/15/2005 09:28 RE: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org :-) I was so mad. I had just sent the email to IBM asking them where PE was just a few days ago and got put off again... till march. This crap is beyond silly... I can download all kinds of PE versions of Oracle poke
RE: [U2] uv pe
To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system. I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't but it would still cost at least three times more to use Oracle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a different id, but that was it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/15/2005 09:28 RE: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[U2] [UV]Unable to get process lock semaphore
Hi, I get the error message 'Unable to get process lock semaphore' in a complicated application for which I have no source code. 1) What could be the cause of my problem? The only setup parameter I see linked to process semaphores is PSEMNUM which is set to 64. Can I increase this? What unix parameters are related if any? 2) How do I diagnose how many semaphores are actually being used? I'm on Unixware and the system says SEMAPHORE.STATUS is not supported. 3) How can I intentionally cause this problem in my own code? Thanks for any help. Marco. - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? I could if I could remember my password :-) Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. What business? I think you will have FAST or the BSA after you *VERY* quickly if that business is not software development. As an end user, we have the same licence I think you're talking about, and as I understand it we are *NOT* allowed to use those licences for production. On my workstation they're fine, because I'm a developer ... Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Because it's cheap to buy, cheap to run, and better than the alternatives, maybe? The problem, of course, is it doesn't have mindshare :-( Cheers, Phil Walker Cheers, Wol --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: 17 February 2005 10:26 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live environment? Adrian, Fair point, but by the time that *that* question needs to be raised in seriousness, the user/developer/software house has had a dabble and decided whether or not Oracle/Access is a viable technology for their needs. Give away limited duration/limited user versions of U2, with full GUI admin and a GUI only version of SB+, and I wonder how many people would be converted/influenced? Perhaps not that many, but more, I'd guess, that those likely to be impressed by a command line environment, databasic and proc. My 2d worth. Simon --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Memo: Re: [U2] Uv Error
Hi Rudy, this is a real mystery then. Donning deer stalker hat and smoking pipe We had a problem once with the number of open files in the rotating file pool getting confused. As you probably know, you can open many more files in a Universe program then the os allows. Universe will only keep open, at the os level, the number of files specified by the MFILES config parameter, closing and opening files as needed. Providing your MFILES number is less than the os per process limit of open files, theoretically there should be no problem. However, we had a program that occasionally would fall over with a write failure when writing to a particular file. We eventually tracked it down to Universe not having re-opened the file at the os level. Looking at the open files that that process had open at the os level, it was clear that Universe was very confused about what was open and what wasnt (there were some files that were opened multiple times!). We increased the gap between the MFILES parameter and the os per process limit, and that fixed the problem. Or, as you say, the index file may be getting locked or renamed by some process. The question is, which process. I would be tempted to write a small program which attempts to open the file every 10 minutes or so, and logging the times when it failed to do so. This process could also take a snapshot of the running processes at the time of the failure. Maybe that would help in tracking down the problem. Cooper, Rudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16 Feb 2005 23:27 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc: bcc: Subject:Re: [U2] Uv Error Actually the message is a UV message and not coming from the applications program. Line 8 of the applications program is just a regular UV OPEN statement. And Yes I have ruled out the backup and antivirus software. It's the oddest thing. It will be in the middle of processing, reading/writing to the file then all of a sudden the file is gone. It's like something came along while it was processing and renamed or locked up the file, but there are no other processes runing during that time of the day that would affect it. Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:35:55 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Memo: Re: [U2] Uv Error Hi Rudy, Doesnt look like a UV message. Do you have the source of the program? It would be useful to know what line 8 is. Have you ruled out a backup locking the file? Rudy Cooper Sage Publications I.T Development Thousand Oaks, California (805) 499-0721 #7724 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. - This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group HSBC for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and/or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part of it. Unless otherwise stated, this tranmission is neither an offer nor the solicitation of an offer to sell or purchase any investment. Its contents are based on information obtained from sources believed to be reliable but HSBC makes no representation and accepts no responsibility or liability as to its completeness or accuracy. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [UV] LIST.LOCKS - Unable to get process lock semaphore
In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following: LIST.LOCKS Unable to get process lock semaphore. [EACCES] Permission denied Unable to get process lock semaphore. [EACCES] Permission denied [192.168.1.1: remote disconnect] Marco Manyevere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I get the error message 'Unable to get process lock semaphore' in a complicated application for which I have no source code. 1) What could be the cause of my problem? The only setup parameter I see linked to process semaphores is PSEMNUM which is set to 64. Can I increase this? What unix parameters are related if any? 2) How do I diagnose how many semaphores are actually being used? I'm on Unixware and the system says SEMAPHORE.STATUS is not supported. 3) How can I intentionally cause this problem in my own code? Thanks for any help. Marco. - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Memo: Re: [U2] [UV]Unable to get process lock semaphore
Hi Marco, analyze.shm -s at the os level will give you a list of active semaphores. That should show you which semaphore is set. The use the UNLOCK with the SEMAPHORE key word to release it. Do HELP UNLOCK to get more details... hth Marco Manyevere [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17 Feb 2005 10:56 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc: bcc: Subject:[U2][UV]Unable to get process lock semaphore Hi, I get the error message 'Unable to get process lock semaphore' in a complicated application for which I have no source code. 1) What could be the cause of my problem? The only setup parameter I see linked to process semaphores is PSEMNUM which is set to 64. Can I increase this? What unix parameters are related if any? 2) How do I diagnose how many semaphores are actually being used? I'm on Unixware and the system says SEMAPHORE.STATUS is not supported. 3) How can I intentionally cause this problem in my own code? Thanks for any help. Marco. - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. - This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group HSBC for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and/or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part of it. Unless otherwise stated, this tranmission is neither an offer nor the solicitation of an offer to sell or purchase any investment. Its contents are based on information obtained from sources believed to be reliable but HSBC makes no representation and accepts no responsibility or liability as to its completeness or accuracy. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Adrian: I recently saw a Dell add where they partner with Oracle and one can purchase an Oracle license for about $150/license. Don't know how that works out in a web environment or a device licensing scenario but that's not anywhere near as expensive as it used to be. Also, Microsoft SQL Server can be had for about $5,000 (or less) for an unlimited license on a single processor. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:26 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live environment? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a different id, but that was it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent
RE: [U2] uv pe
I don't get your point ? Who cares about Users opinions on PE, they should already have a fully licensed installation. I am just a poor lowly developer. Also - don't forget to consider that as developer costs rise, so do the costs of the products/services that they pass on to their customers. Especially when the developer decides that the cost/benefit of developing for U2 is no longer worth it and in order to use their latest and greatest killer app you are now forced to follow the developer to a big boy's system and its associated costs. The only thing that keeps U2 alive is the software that runs on it - when the U2 software development support industry base dries up, no more U2. But then again maybe that is the whole idea ? Gerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system. I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't but it would still cost at least three times more to use Oracle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a different id, but that was it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will
[U2] Conversion to Windoze % vs ? character
I'm attempting to convert a system using a uvbackup tape from hpux to windows. I've noticed that many cataloged items now have a name that ends in the % character wheras on the production system they end in a ? character. Is there something I'm missing here as far as a conversion command or something? Since I used uvbackup and uvrestore, I'm thinking that doing a fnuxi is not required. Any ideas? Thanks, Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Uv Error
Hi, I had pretty much done everything that you have already suggested prior to posting here. My next move is to look at MFILES, our's is set to 200. Providing your MFILES number is less than the os per process limit of open files Does anyone know how to check the os per process limit of open files on a W2K box or does anyone know how to determine the total file units opened in an application running in a phantom ? thx, rudy Hi Rudy, this is a real mystery then. Donning deer stalker hat and smoking pipe We had a problem once with the number of open files in the rotating file pool getting confused. As you probably know, you can open many more files in a Universe program then the os allows. Universe will only keep open, at the os level, the number of files specified by the MFILES config parameter, closing and opening files as needed. Providing your MFILES number is less than the os per process limit of open files, theoretically there should be no problem. However, we had a program that occasionally would fall over with a write failure when writing to a particular file... Rudy Cooper Sage Publications I.T Development Thousand Oaks, California (805) 499-0721 #7724 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Conversion to Windoze % vs ? character
I'm attempting to convert a system using a uvbackup tape from hpux to windows. I've noticed that many cataloged items now have a name that ends in the % character wheras on the production system they end in a ? character. Is there something I'm missing here as far as a conversion command or something? Since I used uvbackup and uvrestore, I'm thinking that doing a fnuxi is not required. This is because the automatic translations performed to avoid illegal record names in type 1/19 files are different on Unix and Windows. In theory, this should be totally transparent though you cannot just copy the catalogued files. You need to recatalogue the programs and all will work by magic. (Famous last words?) Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Conversion to Windoze % vs ? character
You cannot use ? in a filename on Windoze (Same as *) that you may have used on Unix. I know my FTP client switches any * in filenames (record id in a directory file) to @ when I ftp from UNIX to Windows. Thanks, -- Donald Verhagen Application Development Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tandem Staffing Solutions, Inc. 1690 S Congress Avenue, Suite 210 Delray Beach, FL 33445 USA Voice Phone: 561.454.3592 Fax Phone: 561.454.3640 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:46:26 PM 02/17/2005 I'm attempting to convert a system using a uvbackup tape from hpux to windows. I've noticed that many cataloged items now have a name that ends in the % character wheras on the production system they end in a ? character. Is there something I'm missing here as far as a conversion command or something? Since I used uvbackup and uvrestore, I'm thinking that doing a fnuxi is not required. Any ideas? Thanks, Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Hey John, I have programmed in COBOL, Fortran 4, TAC Business basic, Assembly on the IBM 370, Assembly on the 8086x, native Pick, MS QuickBasic, (did some goofing around with VB), SQL, HTML, Java and most extensively with Unidata. It is by far superior in dev time ONCE YOU KNOW what you're doing. (I have 31 years of programming behind my belt). Most of the Manage-2000 systems that are sold (written in Unidata) get sold to companies without programmers, and they grab a secretary and tell them they are promoted to SysAdmin. Seriously! As far as Modern? Moving data from one spot to another and doing calc's is the name of the game. Single line in RDBMS requiring a program in u2? Example please. I'm sure someone one the list will be able to point you in the correct direction so that you're learning curve will not be so frustrating. We're here to help and make your learning fun. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aherne, John Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
I'm not sure what docs you are referring to , but ALL of the documentation for UD and UV is available either online or via pdf download on IBMs website. I agree that the knowledgebase should be open, but it doesn't hold tech docs, it only holds support call information and it's generally not as useful as the U2 and MV forums/lists. If there's some specific documentation that you don't have, let me know and I'll be glad to send you the link. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aherne, John Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:31 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ This email has been scanned by the Inbound TSH Mail Filter Please Report any issues to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] HS.SCRUB
According to the UV docs , HS.SCRUB with no arguments other than a filename will do nothing but generate a data error report. However it seems that HS.SCRUB does some type of internal record or file locking that completely messes up writes to the specified file. We have run into the situation where new records written to a file during a scrub operation never actually show up in the file. It looks like we can only run HS.SCRUB when there are no active users on the system - it would have been nice to see this documented somewhere - or is it and I have simply missed it ? I am now wondering what other nasty side-effects HS.SCRUB might be having. Gerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
But in that environment (as an embedded database) U2 is already far bigger than Oracle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Simon Carter Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 11:35 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: 17 February 2005 10:26 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live environment? Adrian, Fair point, but by the time that *that* question needs to be raised in seriousness, the user/developer/software house has had a dabble and decided whether or not Oracle/Access is a viable technology for their needs. Give away limited duration/limited user versions of U2, with full GUI admin and a GUI only version of SB+, and I wonder how many people would be converted/influenced? Perhaps not that many, but more, I'd guess, that those likely to be impressed by a command line environment, databasic and proc. My 2d worth. Simon --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ The information contained in this email is strictly confidential and for the use of the addressee only, unless otherwise indicated. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose to others this message or any attachment. Please also notify the sender by replying to this email or by telephone +44 (0)20 7896 0011 and then delete the email and any copies of it. Opinions, conclusions (etc.) that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. IG Markets Limited and IG Index Plc are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority and, in Australia, by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
For us we would have to use the Oracle enterprise licenses due to the number of cpu's we use. A lot, lot more than $150 per cpu. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bill H. Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 16:13 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Adrian: I recently saw a Dell add where they partner with Oracle and one can purchase an Oracle license for about $150/license. Don't know how that works out in a web environment or a device licensing scenario but that's not anywhere near as expensive as it used to be. Also, Microsoft SQL Server can be had for about $5,000 (or less) for an unlimited license on a single processor. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:26 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Yes but how much does it cost to license Oracle and Access for a Live environment? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a different id, but that was it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management
Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.LOCKS - Unable to get process lock semaphore
Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following: LIST.LOCKS Unable to get process lock semaphore. Well would this mean something like I can't access the LOCK table because some other process currently has it LOCKed ? You could try writing a program that sets a lock and see if it also complains with the same message like this OPEN VOC TO F.VOC ELSE STOP READU IGNOREME FROM F.VOC,NOTHING THEN PRINT LOCK SET, RECORD FOUND END ELSE PRINT LOCK SET, NO SUCH RECORD Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Memo: Re: [U2] Uv Error
Now THIS is getting interesting! I saw something similar twice. Once a hashed file header was corrupted with a line that should have been written into a como file. Another when a file had data from uv/SYS.MESSAGE written in it. Both occurred in the context of a transaction logging failure. I've been a big fan of TxLg, but this unresolved issue has been a showstopper for me. TxLg is supposed to make a system more robust, but this reminds me of a time when the UPS crashed in a Miami thunderstorm and caused major damage for the client. I called my wife in Dallas that evening and told her I'd be late - 4 days late - for supper. The company allowed me to expense new socks and underwear, but not pants and shirt. CDS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:45 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Memo: Re: [U2] Uv Error Hi Rudy, this is a real mystery then. Donning deer stalker hat and smoking pipe We had a problem once with the number of open files in the rotating file pool getting confused. As you probably know, you can open many more files in a Universe program then the os allows. Universe will only keep open, at the os level, the number of files specified by the MFILES config parameter, closing and opening files as needed. Providing your MFILES number is less than the os per process limit of open files, theoretically there should be no problem. However, we had a program that occasionally would fall over with a write failure when writing to a particular file. We eventually tracked it down to Universe not having re-opened the file at the os level. Looking at the open files that that process had open at the os level, it was clear that Universe was very confused about what was open and what wasnt (there were some files that were opened multiple times!). We increased the gap between the MFILES parameter and the os per process limit, and that fixed the problem. Or, as you say, the index file may be getting locked or renamed by some process. The question is, which process. I would be tempted to write a small program which attempts to open the file every 10 minutes or so, and logging the times when it failed to do so. This process could also take a snapshot of the running processes at the time of the failure. Maybe that would help in tracking down the problem. Cooper, Rudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16 Feb 2005 23:27 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc: bcc: Subject:Re: [U2] Uv Error Actually the message is a UV message and not coming from the applications program. Line 8 of the applications program is just a regular UV OPEN statement. And Yes I have ruled out the backup and antivirus software. It's the oddest thing. It will be in the middle of processing, reading/writing to the file then all of a sudden the file is gone. It's like something came along while it was processing and renamed or locked up the file, but there are no other processes runing during that time of the day that would affect it. Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:35:55 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Memo: Re: [U2] Uv Error Hi Rudy, Doesnt look like a UV message. Do you have the source of the program? It would be useful to know what line 8 is. Have you ruled out a backup locking the file? Rudy Cooper Sage Publications I.T Development Thousand Oaks, California (805) 499-0721 #7724 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. - This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group HSBC for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and/or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part
RE: [U2] uv pe
John, There is also a huge amount of things which can be done with a single line query in both UD and UV. Because you don't know how to do them does not mean they cannot be done. As you say, you are new, it's an unwise man who rubbishes a product he knows little about. Suggest you ask a few questions, especially on the issues which take so much time to do. Andy -Original Message- From: Aherne, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 February 2005 20:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.LOCKS - Unable to get process lock semaphore
Or, more simply, ED VOC NOTHING Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following: LIST.LOCKS Unable to get process lock semaphore. Well would this mean something like I can't access the LOCK table because some other process currently has it LOCKed ? You could try writing a program that sets a lock and see if it also complains with the same message like this OPEN VOC TO F.VOC ELSE STOP READU IGNOREME FROM F.VOC,NOTHING THEN PRINT LOCK SET, RECORD FOUND END ELSE PRINT LOCK SET, NO SUCH RECORD Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Geez, he's right there in Denver, too. -- Dave Walker 8..7 4(()) -::- -::-8.74 .74(()) ((88.74 ..74 -::- ((88.74 * Peace -Original Message- From: Andrew Lakeland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe John, There is also a huge amount of things which can be done with a single line query in both UD and UV. Because you don't know how to do them does not mean they cannot be done. As you say, you are new, it's an unwise man who rubbishes a product he knows little about. Suggest you ask a few questions, especially on the issues which take so much time to do. Andy -Original Message- From: Aherne, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 February 2005 20:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV]Unable to get process lock semaphore
Marco, I assume you've contacted the vendor(s) by now? It sounds like a question for IBM support. Since you have no source code, application support, too. If when you get an answer, please post it here. Thanks, cds -Original Message- From: Marco Manyevere I get the error message 'Unable to get process lock semaphore' in a complicated application for which I have no source code. 1) What could be the cause of my problem? The only setup parameter I see linked to process semaphores is PSEMNUM which is set to 64. Can I increase this? What unix parameters are related if any? 2) How do I diagnose how many semaphores are actually being used? I'm on Unixware and the system says SEMAPHORE.STATUS is not supported. 3) How can I intentionally cause this problem in my own code? Thanks for any help. Marco. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
ok , so why would they care about PE ? What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not saying there aren't any, i've just never heard of them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 03:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Don;t forget that a lot of developers actually work for the end user! Also, as I've pointed out before, U2 has a bigger share of the embedded market than Oracle so not everyone thinks it's expensive or could it be that the application is more important that whats its written in. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of gerry-u2ug Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 16:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I don't get your point ? Who cares about Users opinions on PE, they should already have a fully licensed installation. I am just a poor lowly developer. Also - don't forget to consider that as developer costs rise, so do the costs of the products/services that they pass on to their customers. Especially when the developer decides that the cost/benefit of developing for U2 is no longer worth it and in order to use their latest and greatest killer app you are now forced to follow the developer to a big boy's system and its associated costs. The only thing that keeps U2 alive is the software that runs on it - when the U2 software development support industry base dries up, no more U2. But then again maybe that is the whole idea ? Gerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system. I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't but it would still cost at least three times more to use Oracle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a different id, but that was it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers
RE: [U2] uv pe
The knowledge base does include how-to information, even if it is in a support call. Why should a user or var bother someone up the food chain when the information is already held somewhere? I forgot, we are talking about the 'crown jewels' aren't we.;-) Please, I do like the product, it just seems that things are a lot harder than they should be. Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:32 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I'm not sure what docs you are referring to , but ALL of the documentation for UD and UV is available either online or via pdf download on IBMs website. I agree that the knowledgebase should be open, but it doesn't hold tech docs, it only holds support call information and it's generally not as useful as the U2 and MV forums/lists. If there's some specific documentation that you don't have, let me know and I'll be glad to send you the link. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aherne, John Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:31 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
To toss my two cents worth in (as if you haven't received enough comments, already! ;) By modern, do mean a brand new technology? Or something that is evolving? The U2 products have evolved tremondously over time (I started on Prime INFORMATION in 1985). If you mean a completely new database concept, then no, it isn't. But then, neither is SQL. It's origins go back to the early '70's. I've programmed in a variety of languages, and with a couple different databases. One thing I can say about the U2 databases, they are very, VERY good at database manipulation. But, it's going to take time to learn. I've seen good programmers who've never understood the Pick-database style. Didn't mean they were bad, it's just a different style of database. If you have no code to look at, and no one to show you examples of good programming/database development within the environment, you do have a steep curve. Ask questions, there are a lot of experienced people on this list, who will be happy to show you 50 ways to code a process efficiently. Drew Allen E. Elwood wrote: Hey John, I have programmed in COBOL, Fortran 4, TAC Business basic, Assembly on the IBM 370, Assembly on the 8086x, native Pick, MS QuickBasic, (did some goofing around with VB), SQL, HTML, Java and most extensively with Unidata. It is by far superior in dev time ONCE YOU KNOW what you're doing. (I have 31 years of programming behind my belt). Most of the Manage-2000 systems that are sold (written in Unidata) get sold to companies without programmers, and they grab a secretary and tell them they are promoted to SysAdmin. Seriously! As far as Modern? Moving data from one spot to another and doing calc's is the name of the game. Single line in RDBMS requiring a program in u2? Example please. I'm sure someone one the list will be able to point you in the correct direction so that you're learning curve will not be so frustrating. We're here to help and make your learning fun. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aherne, John Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.LOCKS - Unable to get process lock semaphore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following: LIST.LOCKS Unable to get process lock semaphore. [important bit snipped by Will] [EACCES] Permission denied Well would this mean something like I can't access the LOCK table because some other process currently has it LOCKed ? If the issue were that another process already had control of the resource then the UNIX error would be EAGAIN as in 'try it another time and you might be OK', not EACCES. Try ipcs -s to see what semaphores exist on the system and look at the permissions on those. Perhaps something has caused universe to create the semaphores with a permission mask which stops you doing a semop on them? Perhaps there is a program which is supposed to be setuid to access these things and someone has chmod'ed it and removed the setuid bit? Just my 2 cents. YMMV. Cheers, Ken --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
Hi John, Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. If you have a recent release of UD you can execute SQL queries without too much trouble (Not that I've ever done this on U2, but I know you can). Perhaps this would make things easier for you? Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
Gerry, Embedded is also a code word meaning we don't mention this part by name. When people sell DB2 or Oracle based solutions, they tend to say, we run our Apparel Application on Oracle. When the run on UniVerse, UniData, and other MVs, they tend to say: We have an Apparel Application... I've seen statistics from IBM claiming that as many as 11% of the embedded database sales worldwide are U2. - Charles Embedded Barouch . gerry-u2ug wrote: ok , so why would they care about PE ? What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not saying there aren't any, i've just never heard of them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 03:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Don;t forget that a lot of developers actually work for the end user! Also, as I've pointed out before, U2 has a bigger share of the embedded market than Oracle so not everyone thinks it's expensive or could it be that the application is more important that whats its written in. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of gerry-u2ug Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 16:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I don't get your point ? Who cares about Users opinions on PE, they should already have a fully licensed installation. I am just a poor lowly developer. Also - don't forget to consider that as developer costs rise, so do the costs of the products/services that they pass on to their customers. Especially when the developer decides that the cost/benefit of developing for U2 is no longer worth it and in order to use their latest and greatest killer app you are now forced to follow the developer to a big boy's system and its associated costs. The only thing that keeps U2 alive is the software that runs on it - when the U2 software development support industry base dries up, no more U2. But then again maybe that is the whole idea ? Gerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system. I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't but it would still cost at least three times more to use Oracle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten their free stuff soon enough. As in *free* *No charge* As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for it.PER YEAR. You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little
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RE: [U2] uv pe
True, I really shouldn't write off anything that I am not informed about, but we have programmers here that have been programming Unidata since time immemorial and they don't know how to do something like a select statement that converts criteria into caps for comparison. E.g. SELECT blah WITH UPCASE(x) LIKE ...HELLO... (Doesn't work, but is what I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps there is good reasoning behind that method, but the logic of it completely escapes me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Lakeland Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe John, There is also a huge amount of things which can be done with a single line query in both UD and UV. Because you don't know how to do them does not mean they cannot be done. As you say, you are new, it's an unwise man who rubbishes a product he knows little about. Suggest you ask a few questions, especially on the issues which take so much time to do. Andy -Original Message- From: Aherne, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 February 2005 20:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
John, I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps there is good reasoning behind that method, but the logic of it completely escapes me. when you create a dictionary entry like this, the data is not stored but generated at run time. In UV (I don't know about UD) you can also use the EVAL statement in a SELECT which does this kind of thing at runtime eg: SELECT MYFILE WITH EVAL UPCASE(@ID) LIKE ...HELLO... Works on UniVerse. Have a look at HELP EVAL from TCL. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
John, i agree, why make it hard for the developer when we are trying to promote their product. Open up all information sources so we can do as much as possible. Good product, bad support One of the reason i like VB is that there is so much info out there and its so easy to get at jak - Original Message - From: Aherne, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe All of the manuals are available, and I have, and am pouring through them, but there seems to be a huge amount of code examples that are locked down. And that is only for the one thing I have looked up on their site (ODBC). It's really frustrating when you are stuck on something, and you see a title to a document that answers all your questions, but can't get at it. And yes, I have read all the freely availble info on ODBC, which got me started in the right direction, but didn't get me all the way. Personally, I find the best way of learning something is to see how it should be done. I realise these lists are a great way to finding out a lot of that, but I would rather be able to do as much as I can, before asking you guys to take your time to help me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I'm not sure what docs you are referring to , but ALL of the documentation for UD and UV is available either online or via pdf download on IBMs website. I agree that the knowledgebase should be open, but it doesn't hold tech docs, it only holds support call information and it's generally not as useful as the U2 and MV forums/lists. If there's some specific documentation that you don't have, let me know and I'll be glad to send you the link. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
what exactly is your definition of embedded ? and if universe IS an embedded system - what system isn't ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 06:31 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Gerry wrote: What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not saying there aren't any, i've just never heard of them. Gerry Universe IS an embedded system. So every application that runs on Universe is running as an embedded product. Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
John, if you are using universe and have universe BASIC or TCL questions, you can email me offline. I would be happy to help you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu Feb 17 17:55:34 2005 Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe All of the manuals are available, and I have, and am pouring through them, but there seems to be a huge amount of code examples that are locked down. And that is only for the one thing I have looked up on their site (ODBC). It's really frustrating when you are stuck on something, and you see a title to a document that answers all your questions, but can't get at it. And yes, I have read all the freely availble info on ODBC, which got me started in the right direction, but didn't get me all the way. Personally, I find the best way of learning something is to see how it should be done. I realise these lists are a great way to finding out a lot of that, but I would rather be able to do as much as I can, before asking you guys to take your time to help me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I'm not sure what docs you are referring to , but ALL of the documentation for UD and UV is available either online or via pdf download on IBMs website. I agree that the knowledgebase should be open, but it doesn't hold tech docs, it only holds support call information and it's generally not as useful as the U2 and MV forums/lists. If there's some specific documentation that you don't have, let me know and I'll be glad to send you the link. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
If memory serves me correctly, you also use an in-line FMT or OCONV if you don't have write permissions on the DICT of the file. BobW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Bennett Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe John, I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps there is good reasoning behind that method, but the logic of it completely escapes me. when you create a dictionary entry like this, the data is not stored but generated at run time. In UV (I don't know about UD) you can also use the EVAL statement in a SELECT which does this kind of thing at runtime eg: SELECT MYFILE WITH EVAL UPCASE(@ID) LIKE ...HELLO... Works on UniVerse. Have a look at HELP EVAL from TCL. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
wow - I'm always amazed at the tendency of people on this list and perhaps mv in general to take well defined terms and turn around and use those terms in a completely different context in what seems like an attempt to 'pull one over' by forgetting to mention that their definition is completely different than the generally accepted usage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Key Ally Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe Gerry, Embedded is also a code word meaning we don't mention this part by name. When people sell DB2 or Oracle based solutions, they tend to say, we run our Apparel Application on Oracle. When the run on UniVerse, UniData, and other MVs, they tend to say: We have an Apparel Application... I've seen statistics from IBM claiming that as many as 11% of the embedded database sales worldwide are U2. - Charles Embedded Barouch . gerry-u2ug wrote: ok , so why would they care about PE ? What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not saying there aren't any, i've just never heard of them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 03:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Don;t forget that a lot of developers actually work for the end user! Also, as I've pointed out before, U2 has a bigger share of the embedded market than Oracle so not everyone thinks it's expensive or could it be that the application is more important that whats its written in. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of gerry-u2ug Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 16:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe I don't get your point ? Who cares about Users opinions on PE, they should already have a fully licensed installation. I am just a poor lowly developer. Also - don't forget to consider that as developer costs rise, so do the costs of the products/services that they pass on to their customers. Especially when the developer decides that the cost/benefit of developing for U2 is no longer worth it and in order to use their latest and greatest killer app you are now forced to follow the developer to a big boy's system and its associated costs. The only thing that keeps U2 alive is the software that runs on it - when the U2 software development support industry base dries up, no more U2. But then again maybe that is the whole idea ? Gerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:34 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system. I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't but it would still cost at least three times more to use Oracle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Hi, Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of information about how to do something. I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels. Questions: Why can't end users access the knowledgebase? Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM? I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office 2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for demos or in house to run my business. Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2? Cheers, Phil Walker +64 27 5336294 +64 3 3120352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnosys Consulting Limited 25 Roscrea Place, Mandeville North, RD2 Kaiapoi, North Canterbury 8252, NEW ZEALAND DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Gnosys Consulting Limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Gnosys Consulting Limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in
RE: [U2] uv pe
Glen, Thanks for the link, but we have a test system that I am allowed to break :) As for the constant attention, well I don't know anything at all about the administration side of things yet, but there seems to be something needing urgent attention at least once a week. Although to be fair, it may not be UD that is causing the problems, but the app on top of it. I just tend to assume the worst when it comes to IBM's s/w. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen B Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Download a copy of OpenQM for Linux, if you want to 'play' with MV. It's quite flavor-portable and also available in a commercial version for small beans. It's more of a U2/UD flavor, than it is D3. http://openqm.sourceforge.net The only other languages I would compare dataBASIC to would be Pascal or possibly Perl. Both of which are much more complex than dataBASIC. gwBASIC and QuickBASIC are way too limited to even be considered a close race. Don't give up. It's taken me 8+ years to learn and I still don't know everything I should know. Please explain what you mean by constant attention. I touch our D3 database once every 3-6 months, to check file stats. A single program reports on which files need resizing. We don't use dynamic or remote files in our D3 setup. That has to do with performance when SELECTing a file with a huge item count. Anyway, the rest of the time I'm happily writing apps. Glen aka PickCoder http://picksource.com http://mvdevcentral.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
Goo'day, At 10:40 18/02/05 +1100, you wrote: John, I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps there is good reasoning behind that method, but the logic of it completely escapes me. when you create a dictionary entry like this, the data is not stored but generated at run time. In UV (I don't know about UD) you can also use the EVAL statement in a SELECT which does this kind of thing at runtime eg: SELECT MYFILE WITH EVAL UPCASE(@ID) LIKE ...HELLO... Works on UniVerse. Have a look at HELP EVAL from TCL. Or, you could use a MCU conversion .. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.9 - Release Date: 17/02/05 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.9 - Release Date: 17/02/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.9 - Release Date: 17/02/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.9 - Release Date: 17/02/05 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Thanks Craig, that works perfectly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Bennett Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe John, I want to do). The best answer I got was create a virtual field that stored the field in caps and then use that in the select. In fact, the example in an old Unidata manual I found says to do just that. Perhaps there is good reasoning behind that method, but the logic of it completely escapes me. when you create a dictionary entry like this, the data is not stored but generated at run time. In UV (I don't know about UD) you can also use the EVAL statement in a SELECT which does this kind of thing at runtime eg: SELECT MYFILE WITH EVAL UPCASE(@ID) LIKE ...HELLO... Works on UniVerse. Have a look at HELP EVAL from TCL. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Embedded systems was uv pe
An embedded system in this context would be one where the programming language, query language, data structures, and operating system are all embedded within the application. The application completely encapsulates all of these functions, making this invisible to the operator. This is in contrast to systems that run in environments where the operator has to be able to manipulate all these components seperately, sometimes doing this in multiple languages and at multiple interrupt levels. Note that we're talking about an operator here, not a programmer. Programmers of embedded systems do not enjoy the ability to control everything from a single interface level on any system that I'm aware of. If the operator of your accounting package has to use a VB Screen to enter data and then use SQL server to make queries and then use Windows to format disks ... that's not embedded. If all these things can be done within an envelope that is the programmed application, then it's embedded. So to wrap up, embedded means all functions can be operated from inside one envelope even though they may control many disparate entities in a multi-level system. dons tomato repellant suit Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Gerry, This IS a generally accepted use of the term embedded database and it certainly isn't confined to this list or the mv community. It may be one with which you are not familiar, but that's another issue entirely. An embedded database doesn't necessarily have anything to do with an embedded system, despite the similarity in names. -Original Message- From: gerry-u2ug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe wow - I'm always amazed at the tendency of people on this list and perhaps mv in general to take well defined terms and turn around and use those terms in a completely different context in what seems like an attempt to 'pull one over' by forgetting to mention that their definition is completely different than the generally accepted usage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Key Ally Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe Gerry, Embedded is also a code word meaning we don't mention this part by name. When people sell DB2 or Oracle based solutions, they tend to say, we run our Apparel Application on Oracle. When the run on UniVerse, UniData, and other MVs, they tend to say: We have an Apparel Application... I've seen statistics from IBM claiming that as many as 11% of the embedded database sales worldwide are U2. - Charles Embedded Barouch . gerry-u2ug wrote: ok , so why would they care about PE ? What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not saying there aren't any, i've just never heard of them. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Unidata acount on unix
This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'. What does the trick on unix? Thanks a million! Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
It's been a while but I believe it was makeudt? Too much Windows lately for me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Unidata acount on unix This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'. What does the trick on unix? Thanks a million! Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
same. You can also avoid the lists and prompts for owner and group by specifying eg newacct root sys Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Services IBM Information Management Solutions Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online! Susan Joslyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] omTo Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc stserver.u2ug.org Subject [U2] Unidata acount on unix 02/17/2005 07:12 PM Please respond to u2-users This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'. What does the trick on unix? Thanks a million! Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of graycol.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of pic16794.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of ecblank.gif] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
Susan Joslyn wrote: This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'. What does the trick on unix? Its the same Susan. You might need to make sure that your PATH includes $UDTBIN, and indeed that $UDTBIN is set, but once that is done, newacct user group should work. HTH, Ken --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
Craig, It wasn't that we just wanted to update them, we had to remove them for legal reasons. I cannot go into the issues specifically, but suffice it to say we had to make some changes and obtain certain approvals so that we could have them on the Internet again. They will be hosted in another location within our Website, and full details will be announced publically as soon as we are able. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Craig Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] auTo Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc stserver.u2ug.org Subject Re: [U2] uv pe 02/15/2005 10:52 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Leroy, They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. would it be possible to leave the older versions up? That way if someone quickly want to test something on an older U2 version than the current release, there might be a chance that they could download it. It would also mean there was always a version available to download even if it wasn't the very latest :) Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of graycol.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of pic00824.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of ecblank.gif] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] uv pe
Exactly. You have the right to use the software for personal development use, but it not to distribute it. It's free of charge but that doesn't imply it's freeware. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Andrew Lakeland Andrew.Lakeland@ nl.flextronics.co To mu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent by: cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] stserver.u2ug.org Subject RE: [U2] uv pe 02/16/2005 12:51 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Sorry did not see that, to many emails to read properly, just trying to help. What was the reason. Distribution rights? -Original Message- From: Adrian Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2005 19:02 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe But as IBM posted earlier you're not allowed to give that to anyone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Lakeland Sent: 16 February 2005 13:30 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe If someone needs a copy of PE, I have version 10.01, it's a 13mb files. andy -Original Message- From: Adrian Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2005 11:37 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe It might be an Urban Myth but what I heard was that it was very easy to remove the licensing/modulo restrictions on PE and give yourself a free unlimited used version of Universe. Given the lengths that some people seem to go to avoid paying license fees (hundreds of phantoms etc etc) I wouldn't be suprised and that would explain why they won't repost the older versions. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Craig Bennett Sent: Wed 16/02/2005 05:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe Leroy, They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. would it be possible to leave the older versions up? That way if someone quickly want to test something on an older U2 version than the current release, there might be a chance that they could download it. It would also mean there was always a version available to download even if it wasn't the very latest :) Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ The information contained in this email is strictly confidential and for the use of the addressee only, unless otherwise indicated. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose to others this message or any attachment. Please also notify the sender by replying to this email or by telephone +44 (0)20 7896 0011 and then delete the email and any copies of it. Opinions, conclusions (etc.) that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. IG Markets Limited and IG Index Plc are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority and, in Australia, by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of graycol.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of pic16470.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of ecblank.gif] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
IBM isn't treating you unfairly, John. We sell through business partners and they act according to their own business models and contractual obligations with their clients as well as with their vendors. For technical information, your reseller (in your case, your Master VAR) would be the responsible party to provide it- that is the agreement your business has with your reseller. That is the agreement they have with us. A very good way to obtain technical information is to attend our annual technical conferences. An excellent (and quicker) way is to post your questions here on the u2-users list server, run by the U2 Users Group. This is a great community of very knowledgeable and helpful individuals. Having said that, U2TechConnect did not prevent you from accessing the personal editions. Anyone, including those folks that do not work for a business using U2 products could download them. That was the point. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 John Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.au To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc stserver.u2ug.org Subject Re: [U2] uv pe 02/16/2005 03:19 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/15/2005 09:28 RE: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org :-) I was so mad. I had just sent the email to IBM asking them where PE was just a few days ago and got put off again... till march. This crap is beyond silly... I can download all kinds of PE versions of Oracle poke poke poke Have I lit a big enough fire yet? Where's the gas!?!? LOL MOVE IT IBM!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bruce Nichol Sent: Tue 2/15/2005 9:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Goo'day, HeHe. At 20:24 15/02/05 -0500, you wrote: soapbox IBM's inability to deliver development tools ON TIME makes myself wander Obviously a typo, but I can't help myself.(sorry!) We wandered too.to a different MV... -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon
Re: [U2] uv pe
John, We are contractually bound to work though our valued business partners. We do appreciate your loyalty, we really do. However, your contracts are with your Master VAR. We happily assist our Master VARs and direct partners with technical information. They in turn provide that information to you in the form of technical support and training (if they offer it). Here in the North America, we have some Master VARs, but generally we work with partners directly. In other regions, they may sell more through distributors and/or Master VARs. It has been this way for a very long time. Work with your Master VAR and they'll work with us. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 John Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.au To Sent by: U2Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/16/2005 07:06 Re: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Kevin, as far as i know there are only 2 in Australia and we are turned down by IBM not by my our master var Good product, bad support and embarassing when your clients start complaining about IBM jak - Original Message - From: Kevin P Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe jak, perhaps you need a better master var. Lester, one thing I would ask though is why the Knowledgebase portion of techconnect is protected, is there some reason that ordinary website users can't look up old info ? kevin lynch The Systems House -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/15/2005 09:28 RE: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org :-) I was so mad. I had just sent the email to IBM asking them where PE was just a few days ago and got put off again... till march. This crap is beyond silly... I can download all kinds of PE versions of Oracle poke poke poke Have I lit a big enough fire yet? Where's the gas!?!? LOL MOVE IT IBM!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bruce Nichol Sent: Tue 2/15/2005 9:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Goo'day, HeHe. At 20:24 15/02/05 -0500, you wrote: soapbox IBM's inability to deliver development tools ON TIME makes myself
RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
If I remember (in my dim distant past), it's used to compile a new UniData executable... Used if custom C routines need to be compiled into UniData. Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Randall Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix Since I screwed that up royally, what was makeudt? Sorry Susan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Wallis Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:05 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix Susan Joslyn wrote: This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'. What does the trick on unix? Its the same Susan. You might need to make sure that your PATH includes $UDTBIN, and indeed that $UDTBIN is set, but once that is done, newacct user group should work. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix
...to rebuild the udt executable from object libraries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Randall Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix Since I screwed that up royally, what was makeudt? Sorry Susan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Wallis Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:05 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata acount on unix Susan Joslyn wrote: This is such a fundamental question ...sorry I'm such a numbskull -- I never do this. How does one make a directory on unix into a unidata account? On windoze I just make the directory and then go to it and type 'newacct'. What does the trick on unix? Its the same Susan. You might need to make sure that your PATH includes $UDTBIN, and indeed that $UDTBIN is set, but once that is done, newacct user group should work. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
Leroy, so if a client wants to see some knowledge base article they must go from me to my master var to IBM and back again. I am not even going to suggest this. Some people like to find out as much as they can by themselves before bothering anyone. I had a recent example of a clent IT manager wasting time on the IBM web site that had to be rescued by our master var. The client was greatful but not impressed. It annoys me that i cant get into tech connect. I dont want to ask a question all i want to see is if there is any useful info before sending out a distress call The same with some clients. I have recommended this mailing list to some clients but not everyone wants to join up to a mailing list As for technical conferences, yes we would all like to go but then there is reality Try and see things from the other side of the fence jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe John, We are contractually bound to work though our valued business partners. We do appreciate your loyalty, we really do. However, your contracts are with your Master VAR. We happily assist our Master VARs and direct partners with technical information. They in turn provide that information to you in the form of technical support and training (if they offer it). Here in the North America, we have some Master VARs, but generally we work with partners directly. In other regions, they may sell more through distributors and/or Master VARs. It has been this way for a very long time. Work with your Master VAR and they'll work with us. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 John Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.au To Sent by: U2Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/16/2005 07:06 Re: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Kevin, as far as i know there are only 2 in Australia and we are turned down by IBM not by my our master var Good product, bad support and embarassing when your clients start complaining about IBM jak - Original Message - From: Kevin P Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe jak, perhaps you need a better master var. Lester, one thing I would ask though is why the Knowledgebase portion of techconnect is protected, is there some reason that ordinary website users can't look up old info ? kevin lynch The Systems House -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
[U2] u2TechConnect
As an application programmer the information contained in U2TechConnect is probably far more technical than I will need for providing end user screens and reports. To some degree I would like to know about a 64bit file Header corruption and how to run the tools to fix. Or how to find out if I have 32bit or 64bit files. But really I just need to know about UVADMIN, COPY and cpio, Named or Unnamed Common, indexes and @SELECT in a dictionary or a knarly FIELD(TRANS(PLINE.BRCH,@RECORD9:'~',3,X),CHAR(252),(COUNT(TRANS(PROD.PRI CE,@ID:'~',16,'X'),CHAR(252)) +1)) -Original Message- From: Leroy Dreyfuss [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe John, We are contractually bound to work though our valued business partners. We do appreciate your loyalty, we really do. However, your contracts are with your Master VAR. We happily assist our Master VARs and direct partners with technical information. They in turn provide that information to you in the form of technical support and training (if they offer it). Here in the North America, we have some Master VARs, but generally we work with partners directly. In other regions, they may sell more through distributors and/or Master VARs. It has been this way for a very long time. Work with your Master VAR and they'll work with us. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 John Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.au To Sent by: U2Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/16/2005 07:06 Re: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Kevin, as far as i know there are only 2 in Australia and we are turned down by IBM not by my our master var Good product, bad support and embarassing when your clients start complaining about IBM jak - Original Message - From: Kevin P Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe jak, perhaps you need a better master var. Lester, one thing I would ask though is why the Knowledgebase portion of techconnect is protected, is there some reason that ordinary website users can't look up old info ? kevin lynch The Systems House -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 Marc Harbeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] uv pe
All, Two things: (1) Please move this to U2-Community. (2) Please don't kill the messenger. Some of the comments to Leroy (who is taking his own time to respond to us) are bordering on rude. - Charles Barouch, Moderator To subscribe to the U2-Community please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ John Kent wrote: Leroy, so if a client wants to see some knowledge base article they must go from me to my master var to IBM and back again. I am not even going to suggest this. Some people like to find out as much as they can by themselves before bothering anyone. I had a recent example of a clent IT manager wasting time on the IBM web site that had to be rescued by our master var. The client was greatful but not impressed. It annoys me that i cant get into tech connect. I dont want to ask a question all i want to see is if there is any useful info before sending out a distress call The same with some clients. I have recommended this mailing list to some clients but not everyone wants to join up to a mailing list As for technical conferences, yes we would all like to go but then there is reality Try and see things from the other side of the fence jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe John, We are contractually bound to work though our valued business partners. We do appreciate your loyalty, we really do. However, your contracts are with your Master VAR. We happily assist our Master VARs and direct partners with technical information. They in turn provide that information to you in the form of technical support and training (if they offer it). Here in the North America, we have some Master VARs, but generally we work with partners directly. In other regions, they may sell more through distributors and/or Master VARs. It has been this way for a very long time. Work with your Master VAR and they'll work with us. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 John Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.au To Sent by: U2Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org stserver.u2ug.org cc Subject 02/16/2005 07:06 Re: [U2] uv pe PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Kevin, as far as i know there are only 2 in Australia and we are turned down by IBM not by my our master var Good product, bad support and embarassing when your clients start complaining about IBM jak - Original Message - From: Kevin P Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe jak, perhaps you need a better master var. Lester, one thing I would ask though is why the Knowledgebase portion of techconnect is protected, is there some reason that ordinary website users can't look up old info ? kevin lynch The Systems House -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak - Original Message - From: Leroy Dreyfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half over. I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the process. We, too, had to wait. They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their arrival as soon as they are ready. Thanks again for waiting. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254
