Re: [orca-list] Warning, critical error with text sellection
Hello, Arch linux, GTK 3.24.22, gedit 3.36.2, atk 2.36.0, at-spi2-core 2.36.0, at-spi2-atk 2.34.2, orca master c5866be92 and I can't reproduce it too. Greetings Peter Dňa 16. 8. 2020 o 12:12 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a): I just tried this using Orca master + Gedit 3.36.2 and Pluma 1.24 in Fedora 32 and am not seeing a crash. --joanie On Sun, 2020-08-16 at 11:50 +0200, Vojtěch šmiro via orca-list wrote: Hello, the problem is in Arch, Stormux and in Fedora, where my friend Pavel tested. Steps to reproduce: 1. Open Pluma or Gedit. 2. Write some text. 3. Select something by shift plus some arrow key. Pluma or Gedit crashes so fast it cannot write log why it crashed. The problem is in Nano editor too. It isn't in Libreoffice, Seamonkey or Firefox. Problem wasn't on Debian 10 or Ubuntu 18 yet, but I would like to warn developers before upgrading, because we don't know, what package update did this critical error. My friend Pavel wanted to report it with log file, but he can't do log file, because the app falls really quickly, such as killall pluma. Thanks a lot. Best regards Vojta. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: OT soundconverter doesn't work after Ubuntu reinstall
Hello, This is most likelly an ubuntu packaging issue. See here for the bugreport including some tips on what to install to make it work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soundconverter/+bug/1710728 Greetings Peter 2018-04-06 10:46 GMT+02:00 Pavel Vlček : > Hi all, > > I reinstalled Ubuntu Mate 18.04 Beta 1. I am installing all applications > now, but soundconverter doesn't want to start, but before reinstall, it > worked normally. When I want to run it, it shows this: SoundConverter 3.0.0 > SoundConverter needs GTK >= 3.0 (Error: "Namespace GConf not available") > > But I don't know, why before reinstall it worked and now not. I used sudo > apt-get install soundconverter > > Thanks, > > Pavel > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Problems with orca and updated Ubuntu 16.04
Hello, Have you started orca before starting Firefox or is Firefox not accessible for you eventhough you are sure Orca and the rest of the accessibility stack is running prior to starting Firefox? Are you also running Thunderbird? Is Thunderbird working fine for you? If you restart Firefox is it still lacking accessibility support? Greetings Peter Dňa 27. 1. 2018 20:53 používateľ "Tom Masterson" napísal: > Thanks for the help. Orca is now working everywhere but firefox. Not > sure what is happening with that. Turns out something was not working in > the sound system and a reboot fixed it. > > Tom > > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2018, Peter Vágner wrote: > > Hello, >> >> Can you access that PC remotely to trouble shoot? Does other audio such >> as system bell play? Can you blindly try running >> espeak hello >> spd-say hello >> or similar to discover if speech is working fine? >> If all this appears to be working are you sure orca is running? >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> 2018-01-26 18:29 GMT+01:00 Tom Masterson : >> I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with all the latest updates. Under >> either mate or Ubuntu Default orca comes up and works with my braille >> display in some >> circumstances but there is no speech. It does not work with even >> my braille display under firefox. The only oddity I see in syslog or other >> places is >> the following line. >> >> Jan 26 09:23:34 Tom-M2800 console-kit-daemon[5024]: (process:7120): >> GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed >> >> Does anyone on these lists have suggestions? >> >> Tom >> ___ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-l...@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g >> nome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> >> >> -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] Problems with orca and updated Ubuntu 16.04
Hello, Can you access that PC remotely to trouble shoot? Does other audio such as system bell play? Can you blindly try running espeak hello spd-say hello or similar to discover if speech is working fine? If all this appears to be working are you sure orca is running? Greetings Peter 2018-01-26 18:29 GMT+01:00 Tom Masterson : > I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with all the latest updates. Under either mate > or Ubuntu Default orca comes up and works with my braille display in some > circumstances but there is no speech. It does not work with even my > braille display under firefox. The only oddity I see in syslog or other > places is the following line. > > Jan 26 09:23:34 Tom-M2800 console-kit-daemon[5024]: (process:7120): > GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed > > Does anyone on these lists have suggestions? > > Tom > ___ > orca-list mailing list > orca-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/g > nome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: is s peech possible in in Kodi 17.0?
Hello, Yes, this is possible but there is an additional step needed to enable the addon since Kodi 17. Assumed you have done all that Kyle has recommended i.e. created the folder structure ~/.kodi/addons and unzipped service.xbmc.tts in there you also need to do the following. - Start kodi and arrow around the home screen. Make sure you can hear clicking sound as you are navigating on the Kodi home screen. - Now close kodi by pressing letter s followed by the enter key or if you are on the desktop you can also press alt+F4. - Now use sqlite3 commandline to poke at the database file ~/.kodi/userdata/Database/Addons27.db - When you can see sqlite prompt type in the following: UPDATE installed SET enabled=1 WHERE addonID='service.xbmc.tts'; - Now you are done editing sqlite database just exit out of sqlite by typing in .q - Now start Kodi and enjoy the Kodi screen reader addon. Greetings Peter On 13.02.2017 at 10:48 Milton wrote: Hi, I installed kodi by doing the following: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install kodi I also followed the instructions Kyle gave: wget http://mirrors.kodi.tv/addons/krypton/service.xbmc.tts/service.xbmc.tts-1.0.6.zip mkdir -p .kodi/addons cd .kodi/addons unzip ~/service.xbmc.tts-1.0.6.zip cd After I launch Kodi 17.0 I have no speech. Did I miss something? Thanks in advance. Milton smime.p7s Description: Kryptografický podpis S/MIME -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Budgie desktop accessibility
Hello, As I've just discovered budgie desktop uses GNOME technologies such as GObject, GTK, GIO, gnome-bluetooth, pulseaudio and more. It would be nice to get an idea whether accessibility is on their road map given they are in a phase trying to clean and modularize the component dependencies. Does anyone know more? Greetings Peter On 09.01.2017 at 04:22 Luke Yelavich wrote: On Sat, Jan 07, 2017 at 02:49:35AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: Hi, when I go to cdimage.ubuntu.com, I can see daily builds for Ubuntu Budgie. Is the Budgie desktop accessible? It can be an interesting desktop. No idea, and I suspect not, as nobody has looked into making sure accessibility services run under that desktop so far as I know. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 and Magnification
Hello, Ubuntu 14.04 is already released however I am afraid the magnifier is not there by default at least I seem to be unable to find it. In older versions there was a package compizconfig-settings-manager which was supposed to add kind of magnification to unity however it can no longer be installed in 14.04 at least not for me. I hope this is my ignorance regarding magnifier because up to now I was not interested in making it work. Now I do have a friend around and I would be happy to try get her setup with recent widelly supported linux distro she can use for day to day use. What am I missing? Do I need to get gnome 3.12 installed for her? She is not that interested in orca but magnifier. Greetings Peter On 24.02.2014 at 22:43 Robert Cole wrote: I am just writing to ask if anyone knows if screen magnification will be available in Ubuntu 14.04? If anyone has any information regarding this, it would be much appreciated. Take care. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Libreoffice in Ubuntu 12.04
Hello, Another way on how to read libreoffice help is by reading it online at: https://help.libreoffice.org/ For example this page is verry interesting for me: https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer Greetings Peter On 11.09.2013 19:11, Krishnakant Mane wrote: I had the same curiosity for long time. I would like to read the documentation, specially for spreadsheet. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 09/11/2013 08:00 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, I think it is a good idea to go to the tools -> settings... then inside the accessibility treeview branch there is a checkbox saying something like enable cursor inside read only documents. This makes help documents to be readable with orca but still I am unable to figure out how I can move from the content treeview to the actual document being opened. I can find and click it using flat review though. Greetings Peter On 11.09.2013 13:38, mengualjean...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I am trying to access to the help of Libreoffice from my Ubuntu 12.04 system. For that, I do F1. Then, I select the "Contents" page with arrow keys. Next, still with arrow keys in the tree, I choose "text document", "creating a text document" "browse and select". Then, I do enter. On a Windows system, it seems the contents appears on the right part of the window and that it is possible to take off the focus there with tab and/or f6. I do not have this here. COuld someone test? I have two questions: 1. is the content displayed indeed on the screen (I cannot check myself)? and 2. how can I put there the focus and read it with Orca? Thanks for your help Regards -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Libreoffice in Ubuntu 12.04
Hello, I think it is a good idea to go to the tools -> settings... then inside the accessibility treeview branch there is a checkbox saying something like enable cursor inside read only documents. This makes help documents to be readable with orca but still I am unable to figure out how I can move from the content treeview to the actual document being opened. I can find and click it using flat review though. Greetings Peter On 11.09.2013 13:38, mengualjean...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I am trying to access to the help of Libreoffice from my Ubuntu 12.04 system. For that, I do F1. Then, I select the "Contents" page with arrow keys. Next, still with arrow keys in the tree, I choose "text document", "creating a text document" "browse and select". Then, I do enter. On a Windows system, it seems the contents appears on the right part of the window and that it is possible to take off the focus there with tab and/or f6. I do not have this here. COuld someone test? I have two questions: 1. is the content displayed indeed on the screen (I cannot check myself)? and 2. how can I put there the focus and read it with Orca? Thanks for your help Regards -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca in Xfce?
Hello, I recommend xfce 4.10 as there were some accessibility related fixes during its development cycle. When it comes to orca I know it is working well with orca 3.6 and also 3.8. I haven't tested xfce with other versions of orca. However I guess even orca 3.4 might work because there is nothing in xfce what communicates directly to orca and all the accessibility related packages are installed as orca dependencies so hopefully there is nothing that might cause conflicts. I would suggest install the recent stuff provided by your distro of choice and then tweak from there if some tweaking is needed indeed. Greetings Peter On 19.08.2013 20:38, S. Massy wrote: Hello, Peter, Thanks for the detailed breakdown and explanation. Do you happen to know what are the prerequisite minimal versions of Xfce, Orca and the accessibility stack for this to work? Cheers, S.M. -- Sebastien Massy Montreal, Canada Website: http://www.wolfdream.ca Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SMassy1 LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/sebastien-massy/47/5a5/81a Google+: https://plus.google.com/113474861330993124986/posts -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca in Xfce?
Hello, I am also using xfce on one of my machines and I have got a lot of apps working in there. I am using Arch linux and I have tried to write the instructions on how to get xfce4 working in arch. Perhaps you will be able to get the idea from my write up and you will adjust it to ubuntu. So let's assume you have got pure text based arch linux installed and you would like to get xfce installed and try to make it accessible. Here is what I would suggest: - install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies groups of packages. - If you have no ~/.xinitrc file then copy the default one into your home directory cp /etc/skel/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc - edit ~/.xinitrc with your favorite text editor. Make sure the line exec startxfce4 is there and is not commented out. Before this line add another line saying export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge - Install orca what will also install speech-dispatcher and other dependencies. - Now either change speech-dispatcher configuration so it will use alsa as its output module or install pulseaudio. You can edit /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf - At this point you should be able to start xfce by executing startx . As it starts up you will be greeted by the pannel configuration which is not accessible. You can escape or alt+f4 out of it and then press alt+f2 to run xfce4 app finder and type in orca to launch it. - If orca starts first thing you should do is that you will press alt+f1 to inwoke the popup menu, choose applications -> settings -> accessibility and enable screen reader checkbox. Once this is enabled I think you don't have to export the GTK_MODULES variable. So you will then be able to start xfce from the login manager. I haven't installed gdm in order to get accessible login screen because it installs a lot of gnome dependencies. Instead I have installed SLiM and set it to autologin. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Autologin I don't know if there are other more accessible login managers. In order to make the experience better I have installed the following gnome and lxde packages: polkit-gnome, evince, file-roller, pcman-fm. QT4 apps can also be made accessible while running xfce4 you have to instal qt-at-spi from AUR and restart the machine in order to get it working. xfce4-terminal is accessible, it has even keyboard shortcut for select all. Mousepad what is xfce text editor is working verry well too. For playing multimedia you can install vlc, totem or DeaDBeeF for music. DeaDBeeF is just partially accessible but it's avesome. Firefox, Thunderbird and libre-office are all working verry well. In the alt+F1 menu -> settings -> prefered applications I have changed default filemanager from thunar to pcman-fm. Xfce folks have put some efforts into making thunar more accessible however it is not yet working verry well. If something does not work then try to diagnose what is failing. If all is working well don't read further. After starting xfce4 hit alt+f2 and run xfce4-terminal . In the terminal make sure sound is working by using speaker-test for example. You can exit speaker-test by pressing ctrl+c. Then next step is to make sure speech is working. First try to use espeak as follows if it is really installed properly and working espeak -v en "hello world" If that is working well then move on and test whether the speech-dispatcher is working by running spd-say "hello world" Finally if all this is still working without a problem start orca from the terminal and examine its output. Perhaps there is some package missing, wrong entry in the config etc. Hopefully this is usefull Greetings Peter On 19.08.2013 11:27, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Hi, I'm part of the devel-team for Ubuntu Studio and we received a request to include Orca and brltty in the next releases to further support visually impaired users. I have been doing some tests to include Orca but not very successfully. The aim is to include Orca already during installation. However, I'm not sure where to address my questions and issues. My first thought was the Ubuntu Accessibility team but I'm not sure the team is still active? I've tried the #ubuntu-accessibility channel on IRC. Since I'm uncertain if the issue is because I'm setting it up wrong, or it's an issue since Ubuntu Studio use Xfce as default or if it's an issue with Orca in general in 13.04 and 13.10 I'm not sure where to turn? Any pointers? Kind regards Jimmy cub on irc.freenode -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu?
Hello, Most likelly you have been working with kobaspeech voices as this is the way to get the realspeak voices as sapi5. They are however implemented slightly differently than most other voices e.g. acapella. There was also an issue with loading kobaspeech voices in NVDA. I will try to look up info about your project and test it here whether this is the same issue. If yes then we might be able to port the fix from NVDA. Greetings Peter On 09.05.2013 08:51, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: W dniu 2013-05-07 14:28, Kyle napisał(a): Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work with speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, and the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to x86-based desktop Linux. Question is: are the Android voices compiled for x86 or only for ARM? Also there may be licensing problem: some of Ivona voices for Android are currently free, but not Windows versions :( And price of Android and Windows versions are different. I asked Ivona support about Windows voice installation on Linux - there is no licensing problem, if I pay for the voice I can use it even on washing machine :) With SAPI all software is ready for x86 architecture, so in theory all voices should work. But I found one problem: I have working SAPI voice server (idea was taken from open-sapi project, but code is completely different), client libraries and experimental speech-dispatcher module. I tested it with Acapella (demo only) and Ivona (demo and registered) voices and all works perfectly. As there is no hungarian voice in Ivona or Acapella, I found one hungarian voice (Nuance Vocalizer) in theory compatible with SAPI5. But after instalation SAPI on Wine was broken - not possible to create COM object. Reinstalling SAPI does not fully solve this problem - SAPI works, but does not see hungarian voice. As I'm not familiar with Windows programming - I can't find working solution. ethanak -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone
Hello Nolan, The first article you have linked to has pings and comments disabled. Maybe it is why your comment was rejected. I have looked up a secretary email at the contact page of marks blog and send my comment there in case it will be looked into. Jonos article sounds verry exciting but really I have not been able to find a relevant info regarding accessibility on this developing platform so I am afraid no one cares yet. I have added my comment into the Jonos article as well. BTW I am on Arch linux with Gnome 3.6.2 and I also have that issue with comment section. It appears to be bouncing to the top of iframe all the time while using arrow keys. Thanks for the good initiative Greetings Peter On 05.01.2013 05:50, Nolan Darilek wrote: So if you wish to see Ubuntu accessibility improved, here are some blog posts you might wish to comment on. Here is Mark Shuttleworth's post on goals for 2013, not wishing to leave anyone behind, and striving to be relevant to the types of computing everyone wants to do. It's silly for a company like Canonical to state that they don't wish to leave anyone behind in 2013 when the next guaranteed accessible release will be in 2014. Similarly, it's silly for Canonical to want to be relevant to all types of computing, while telling blind users and others that we cannot have the latest At-SPI or ATK releases for our browsers. I am a developer. I need the latest accessibility infrastructure so I can develop accessible websites, and I struggle to do so as my browser fails to render some sites accessibly. When I used Ubuntu 11.04, I found that I had less access in Firefox than I do under 12.10, possibly because I wasn't using the latest AT-SPI. I'm finding that Windows 7 is more relevant to my needs as a blind web developer than is Ubuntu because Firefox under NVDA is more accessible than is Firefox under Ubuntu: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1221/comment-page-1#comment-400356 Unfortunately, I wrote a nice and diplomatic comment only to have Akismet decide that my sentiments were spam. I returned to the post a few days later to find a message to that effect, and now there is no record of my comment at all. It's sad when you expend so much effort on being diplomatic and respectful only for some automated system to decide that your sentiments are spam and that they should be removed. Here is Jono's announcement of Ubuntu for Phones: http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/ My comment there appears to still be around, but I find that under Ubuntu 12.10 I cannot arrow down the list of comments. Focus appears to bounce to the top. That isn't Canonical's fault I'm certain, but one would hope that a distribution that is changing so much about how we use our computers could afford to hire enough of an accessibility team to work on these types of issues. If people want to work on this then I'm happy to help. Quite honestly, I'm burning out on accessibility. I've used and have developed for Android since 1.6, when the accessibility situation there was barely tolerable, and even today I'm trying so hard to contribute to the Android accessibility ecosystem and am being snubbed by Google. I don't know what it is about accessibility and open source culture that makes it so hard for people to contribute. My girlfriend has CP, and she too wishes she could use Ubuntu but doesn't because of accessibility issues. I'm almost to the point of replacing my Ubuntu system with Windows just because I'm tired of battling with these access issues. I have a lot of respect for Canonical's small access team, but if Canonical just wishes to stick its head in the sand again and again, to throw a bunch of resources at shiny things while ignoring the disabled, then it will quickly become apparent that Linux for Human Beings *really* means Linux for Completely Able-bodied Human Beings. I understand that other distributions may not be accessible either, but that is no excuse for Canonical, Redhat, etc. to simply stand aside and let Linux become less accessibly relevant than Windows. It's sad that I enjoy using my VirtualBox Windows 7 install more than I do Ubuntu for many tasks, and is sad when accessibility developers ask me why I don't just abandon Linux for the far more accessible Windows., On 01/04/2013 09:06 PM, Robert Cole wrote: Hello, Burt. Your e-mail was accidentally sent to me, but not to the list. I am forwarding your message to the list. I hope that this is alright. Kind regards. Take care. On 01/04/2013 07:00 PM, B. Henry wrote: Well, I certainly am behind, and if the opportunity presents itself alongside of those who would like to see an effort made to make all Ubuntu releases as accessible as is reasonably possible. The big word is of course reasonably. I am someone who wants things to work for me and those with similar and other limitations when it's practical. Personally I
Re: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired
Hello, I am in however I have no one to ask for help while setting it up so I am afraid I am not going to be usefull for quite sometime. I am interested in accessible tv solution for linux so no mather what turns out promising I will start using it. Greetings Peter On 23. 12. 2012 0:36, faginbagin wrote: On 12/22/2012 05:39 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no one has ever considered accessibility before. I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare time. The problem I have is: will it be more complicated, and more kludgy than trying to extend what I've done by building on MythTV's support for LCD displays? All of MythTV's user interface objects are subclasses of a base MythUI class, and there aren't that many subclasses. I think an approach based on Qt accessibility is doable. FWIW, I'm retired and I used to be a pretty good developer, so I think I have the ability and the time to make MythTV accessible to those with no or poor vision. Another problem I have, before investing more time and effort, is whether the mythtv devs would be likely to accept my work into the mainline source code. For that, I think I need to demonstrate there's a "market" for talking mythtv. That's why I joined this list. Although mythspeech is not a complete solution, it is a starting point and I would love it if I could recruit some more users. BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app for linux as well. No, I am not familiar with those. I am a MythTV user, and a retired developer, looking for ways to combine my interests and my skills. I'm not so sure I'm ready to learn about projects that do less (from my perspective) than MythTV. Greetings Peter On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. Regards, Helen -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired
Hello, I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no one has ever considered accessibility before. I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare time. BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app for linux as well. Greetings Peter On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. Regards, Helen -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: installing 2012.10
Hello, Good news I was able to fix my 12.04 installed system. Oh what a shame. That was a verry verry stupid mistake. I have got no free space left on the system partition so the system was unable to even create lightdm session and thus it was displaying an error. So what I did is that I have moved some files to the external drive, rebooted the machine and voila... I am now again using my perfectly working system. Still I am verry curious about new gnome 3.6 accessibility improvements. I will most likelly install it into the virtualbox first. Now a reply to the discussion: is there a sonar distro based off of 12.10 or are you still talking about gnome powered 12.04 derivative which should be easily updated to new gnome? Thanks and greetings Peter On 31.10.2012 20:36, Kyle wrote: I'm not sure that Orca is working properly on 12.10's login screen. I could drop it into VirtualBox, but I'll need to download it first. Ubuntu 12.10 will install Unity by default, which has problems with Orca. However, Sonar has a modified installer that will fully install GNOME 3.6 either with or without gnome-shell, depending on the image you download, and configure it to run by default. I'm not 100% sure that Orca speaks the login screen on Sonar, but it should as far as I know. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: installing 2012.10
Hello, does orca reliably start and work on login screen in 12.10? Once the system is installed using the built-in installer it installs unity I assume. I have never tried to install something else than the default. Can I somehow configure autologin so it will use gnome instead of unity? I know 12.04 is still the recommended however I would like to get the maximum out of available possibilities. In gnome 3.6 accessibility is turned on all the time and I hope this is a big move and hopefully may be helpfull. Greetings Peter On 31. 10. 2012 18:15, Kyle wrote: Although Ubuntu 12.10 is not considered to be accessible out of the box, I believe the installer still works without needing extra help, and once installed, you can configure it to use standard GNOME 3.6. The recommended Ubuntu for accessibility and eyes-free installation is still 12.04 LTS. You could also try one of the Sonar images at http://sonar-project.org/ which is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and then update it to run GNOME 3.6. Hope this helps. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
installing 2012.10
Hello, Today My PC got hard power off due to power outage. Unfortunatelly it is now broken and displays low resolution mode at the beginning. I have not enough expertise to fix it my-self fsck did not help. I am therefore speculating. Is there a more recent distro preferrably running gnome 3.6 which I can install without sighted help and get fully operational my self? I think I can backup my files using live cd before installing. I would be happy to do it tonight. Can you please give me some advices? Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
deadbeef music player
Hello, This music player is verry powerfull, lightweight supports a lot of audio formats, can work with multiple playlists. For people coming from Windows to Linux it may be close to what Foobar 2000 is under Windows. Its dialogs are perfectly accessible it features gtk2 user interface however playlist tabs as well as playlist view is completelly inaccessible. Has anyone tried this app? Is here someone knowledgeable enough to be able to look into this and make some initial estimates how difficult it would be to make it more accessible? Aleksey Yakovenko the deadbeef author was happy to add accessibility improvements to the android port of his app. I think if we can properly describe what we need to implement he would be able to help us with linux version as well. Thanks for possible replies Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
virtualbox
Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have installed virtual box using software centre and checked all the additions during setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network ethernet driver. At the end of a virtualbox install I have just rebooted the machine to make sure everything is in its place. Then after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox and I am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of ubuntu 12:10 inside it. The virtual machine launches I am even getting informative messages regarding direct mouse and keyboard capture but I am not getting that usual drum sounds coming from the guest OS. Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 has changed something in this regard? I have also waited some 10 minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without any audible difference. In the virtual machine settings window I have audio turned on and set to pulse. Any possible hints? Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into the pulseaudio volume control. Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio device chooser
Hello, On 17.07.2012 01:02, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:15:03PM EST, Peter Vágner wrote: It appears package padevchooser is not available for ubuntu 12.04. Use pavucontrol, padevchooser has long since been deprecated. Well are you sure pavucontrol can do that for me? I havent figured yet how to move playing stream to different output device. BTW by experimenting I have found out speech-dispatcher input source has most likelly always id of 1. Most likelly sink index of default audio device is 0 so in order to switch speech-dispatcher to the first non-default sound device I can type pacmd move-sink-input 1 1 of course these numbers may change I have just verified in two independent machines running ubuntu 12.04 and it lead me to this exact command. Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
pulseaudio device chooser
Hello, With ubuntu 10.04 I was using an app pulseaudio device chooser what allowed me to have the following settings. I was using sb audigy soundcard as a main systems device. Using pulseaudio device chooser I was able to transfer the speech-dispatcher output to the built-in soundcard. The resulting effect is that I had all the music, system sounds, yotube skype etc playing through the loud speakers connected to the main soundcard and speech-dispatcher output playing through the headphones connected to the second sound card. Is there a way to do this with ubuntu 12.04 if yes can you give me some advices? It appears package padevchooser is not available for ubuntu 12.04. Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how to get more applications in the launchbar?
Hello, Is there a way for us using orca to rearrange icons on the launch bar? Because apps added using this method are ussually added to the bottom. if the only option available for now is to delete all icons and then add them in the order I would like to have then that's just a time consuming workaround. Greetings Peter Dňa 14.5.2012 20:47, Milton napísal: Hi José, Many, many thanks! Milton - Original Message - From: "José Vilmar Estácio de Souza" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: how to get more applications in the launchbar? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. You can try the following: 1. Launch the application that you want get in launchbar. 2. Go to the launchbar pressing alt+f1. 3. Press the down arro until you find the application launched in the step 1. 4. Press right arrow at least two times. Two times is important, one time doesn't work and I don't know why. 5. Press down arrow until you hear something like lock to launcher. 6. Press the enter key. - From now one the application will be present in the lanchbar even if the application is not active. You can use similar procedure to remove an application from the launchbar. On 05/14/2012 01:51 PM, Milton wrote: Hi all, I use Ubuntu Precise Unity 2D with Orca 3.4.1. With Alt_F1 I go to the launchbar and with arrow-down to the applications listed. With twice arrow-right a sub menu opens and I can delete an application from the launchbar. With the super key I go the Dash and find all applications. A sighted person can drag an appkication to the launchbar. Shift_F10 is not working to get the sub menu for to find the option to let an application present in the launchbar. Is there a way to do so? Milton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPsTxYAAoJEPMEywZ3KXznC9EH/R7fjDocPfTb63XkKScmnq4Y cnjosCs9e1rw+AMkjSkZ/hDORYCGylxyYNXjxv5Rfn5J2fgQJ5zHRvwt3BX5yFBQ xB46g2ysZIuv7qzmLBerpXRN+HrcJMXzPcIRYrPdfFjtNbjl8okJ1RKdkUtzPyV6 e1vbr0IOrsLALoNFV/ivi2kOM2ZctS8XtNystsHRzykFkKCGn80novPBrUkCkmNw dN9P3ATnN0AU/8POuhCHSn6ekiFw1ODnYr/urIbxt9EXGXmPbS6qdvaJehTV0Kwd BL3ds/3J2gLyFCDHHtqOz1y+gPBXUdz9lTFGrX1Kutl8b0MK0DTMvhjnLkktmsg= =sEfU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: can't read text in widgets like password and rename entry field
Hello, On 11.4.2012 9:05, krishnakant Mane wrote: Further more I notice a very strange problem, would be happy if some one could confirm. Press alt + enter on a folder or file to see its properties. Orca will read it using flat review all right. But the moment I go away either by pressing escape or alt + tab, the system refuses to respond. Orca stops speaking and keyboard hangs, yet the mouse is working as confirmed by my wife who is sighted. I think this might be same issue which is happenning while closing conversation window in empathy. The conversation window is closed, the contact list window gains the focus and keyboard and voice output freezes. Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
instant messaging
Hello, I now have ubuntu 12.04 installed on the usb drive and I am working with it occassionally at home to get me familiarize with stuff etc. What I have found a bit problematic is using empathy. Please don't see thiss as a criticism, I would ust like to see if anybody faces the same issues and where they need to be posted in order to address them. I am unable to read incoming chat messages using standard reading keyboard shortcuts I even don't know how to focus the field where the incoming chat messages are displayed. I can use flat review to read these. While closing conversation window the whole system freezes as the contacts list window gains the focus. I haven't yet managed to recover from this other than restarting the machine. While the system is frozen no audio comes through my soundcard, I've tried to restart orca blindly but I haven't managed. Empathy uses system's notifications to anounce incoming events. Sometimes I am missing these notifications because I am usually interupting them accidentally while doing something else. As a result I am unable to work out who I've just received a chat from. I have found a way around it I can see recent conversations in the history but I think this is verry inconvenient comparing it to the experience sighted people have. They can immediatelly recognize who has sent the recent message by looking at the contact list window. Is there a waay to have conversaation window open automatically when a new chat message comes in if conversation with that chat partner has not yet been started? I am unable to get the details about a contact in my list. Empathy displays status messages for each contact on the contact list if the contact has some. Can we get access to that? In the context menu for each contact in the list there is an item saying details. After activating it gnome-contacts application is shown however I have found this application verry inaccessible. I don't know how to see the contact's details. I caan add new contact but I don't know how to browse contacts and get their details accessible. I see this as a one huge problem. Instant messaging is verry problematic in the current state. Is there something I might be doing wrong or really this is not yet ready for a blind user? I am IM-ing a lot and I'm also excited about empathy's ability to do voice calling a feature I extremelly miss in windows however how empathy works in my setup is currently unnacceptable for me. If there is something I can do please let me know. Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: booting to ubuntu live cd in vmware and starting orca?
Hello, For specific stuff regarding ubuntu 2011.10 you migh like to read or reread the following article aat ubuntu accessibility team blog: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/ In ubuntu 12.04 you just bootfrom the cd or from the downloaded image I dont know enough details on vmware to be ableto givemore exact steps. Then immediaatelly after ubuntu 12.04 live is booting you shouldhear a drums sound. At thattime an installer window is displayed on the screen and you can start orca by pressing ctrl+s. Once the orca starts tallking its main window gainsthe system focus. So to return to the installer window you have to press alt+tabonce. In the installer windowyou can choose whether you want to install or just try out ubuntu. All of this is accessible. During the install you can choose whether you willbe logged aautomatically while running the installed system or not. Ubuntu 12.04 supports accessible login meaning you can press ctrl+s to start orca on the login screen but for some unknown reason I am getting no audible output on the login screen I have chosen to log me in automatically during installing. Other than this you shouldnþt have problems with the recent images. I have installed image from 7th of april and I am happy about it. Greetings Peter On 08.04.2012 01:51, Hank Smith wrote: Hello what is the process of booting ubuntu live cd 11.10 and starting orca in vmware work station? also once I get orca up how do I then install in vmware workstation? I am using windows 7 64 bit thanks bunches. Hank -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Some inaccessible applications related bug reports in Ubuntu 12.04
Hello, TThese are verry good reports, most likelly I will add affects me too. However while I was browsing various settings I have found under keyboard layout quite a lot of options and it is possible to define a shortcut key for switching layouts. Might this be what you are looking for? On 08.04.2012 11:23, Hammer Attila wrote / wrote: Hy, If you have same experiences, click following links, choose yes radio button, and choose change button. 1. Language support preference dialog is inaccessible with Orca Screen reader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/976444/+affectsmetoo Same results have if you run in terminal the gnome-language-selector application command or gksu gnome-language-selector commands. Normal bug report link is following, if you would like sending comments or subscribe this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/976444 In Ubuntu 12.04 prewious possible switching system language in GNOME Control Center the keyboard layout page, but this is changed now my machine. Possible happening this change because now I using Unity 2d, or again redesigned some GNOME Control Center interfaces? 2. Usb-creator-gtk application UI interface is inaccessible with Orca Screen Reader: Direct link if you would like checking this bug affects you too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/976457/+affectsmetoo Normal bug report link is following, if you would like sending comments or subscribe this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/976457 Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application
Hello, Isn't there a hope for a more universal fix to this? I know empathy and pidgin and possibly other apps also feature read-only edit boxes. If this solution is accepted then it has to be done for all the application. Shouldn't there be a feature in gtk+ it-self or other library where it's more appropriate which enables AT's to read the content eventhough the caret is not visually shown on the screen? Greetings Peter On 5.4.2012 7:16, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy Krishnakant, You don't need a daily build if you have an installed Ubuntu 12.04 system. Launch simple the check box application in terminal the checkbox command, and try read the read-only textview content with down arrow key. If you would like trying the gtk interface, install checkbox-gtk package, launch the checkbox-gtk application in terminal and try equals test. Default my system both two interface down arrow key press Orca not speaking the selected line, because the caret navigation default is not enabled. The GTK interface absolute sure, because if I press F7 key, caret navigation again works right. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Netbook doesn't like latest Unuty-2d or 3d
Hello, Maybe i am speculating too much but this appears to me like the issue i have tried to report in my long message on mondayslow system responses, broken alt+tab key navigation and possibly other keyboard issues. Greetings Peter Dňa 4.4.2012, o 20:46, Dave Hunt napísal: > Hi, > > Here's the latest on my playing with the Ubuntu beta for 04-April. > > After getting the system started, I hit the 'try Ubuntu' button, and got a > talking Unity-2d session. I set Orca's preferences and made a couple of > keyboard shortcuts, using the gnome control center, launched from the Unity > launcher as 'system settings'. I opened a Nautilus window on my home folder, > also with the launcher, using 'super+2'. Using the menu, I found and > connected to my wifi access point. With the connection now open, I hit some > web pages. Since gedit is not on the launcher by default, I used 'alt+f2' to > type its name. Orca was silent here. Orca did not focus on the gedit window > until I used 'super+3' to focus on my running browser, then use 'alt+tab' to > go to gedit. I could read and type in this window, but Orca was show to echo > my typing or read the character at cursor. Thinking I could speed up Orca by > restarting it, I used 'alt+f2' to type 'orca --replace'. The 'replace' > switch seemed to be ignored, and I got two running instances of Orca. I > opened a terminal, using 'ctrl+alt+t', and had to play with app switching to > get focus. I typed 'orca --quit' to the terminal, to stop these instances. > I started orca from the terminal. As a test, I tried opening the application > manus with 'alt+f10'; orca did not read them. I tried to switch to my gedit > window, with 'alt+tab', and orca stayed silent until I released both keys. > When speech resumed, it took several seconds to do so. At this point, I > decided the session was hopelessly thrashing, and mashed the power button to > shut it down, since nothing was talking anymore. > > If this account can help someone, please let me know. Also, what further > detail can I provide in order to help the effort? > > > > Cheers, > > > Dave > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation
Hello, Is the apr 4 daily live cd affected or it only happens after the package update? Greetings Peter Dňa 4.4.2012, o 14:28, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napísal: > Hi attila, thanks for the steps. I'll give a try. > Fortunately I installed speakup! > Thanks again. > > On 04/04/2012 09:18 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy José, >> >> Very sorry the confirmation. >> Unfortunately the workaround is little difficult and not elegant. >> I doed following commands in a live system to verify the package build, >> you use own risk your installed system: >> 1. sudo apt-get install devscripts >> 2. sudo apt-get build-dep python-pyatspi2. >> 3. cd /usr/src >> 4. sudo apt-get source python-pyatspi2 >> 5. sudo cd the pyatspi related directory. >> 6. sudo debuild >> 7. sudo cd debian/tmp >> 8. sudo cp -r usr / >> 9. Verify orca -v command result. If not have pyatspi related traceback, >> all works right again. >> >> Of course, the cp related command you possible give other place. For >> example if you mounted your root partition, you need replace the / path >> with correct mount point if you not working your installed system. >> If this is the case and you would like verify possible importing the >> pyatspi related modules, you need chrooting your installed system, and >> run orca -v command or run simple python code after you launched python: >> import pyatspi >> If you not get traceback error messages, all works right. >> >> If not have you a braille display and not possible to work in console >> your installed system, need sighted assistance all task, except you not >> using with speakup. >> >> Summary, I don't no why, but the buggy python-pyatspi2 package not >> installed python bindings with correct >> usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyatspi folder. >> >> Attila >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? Thanks!
Hello, Have you also tried doing it like krishnakant does it? i.e. Starting orca blindly then logging out and trying to get unity 2d working? It appears unity 3d is crashing on your machine. These steps dont appear to work for me but since they work for krishnakant they may work for you as well. Greetings Peter Dňa 3.4.2012, o 16:52, Dave Hunt napísal: > Hi, Peter! > > Your advice regarding making the usb live cd image is spot-on; I now have a > drive with the live cdimage as one part, and the rest as a persistent store. > > In an estimated 3/5 start attempts, after choosing 'try ubuntu', Ubiquity > crashes, leaving me a running Orca, but no ui of any kind. I cannot even use > 'alt-ctrl-f1' through 'alt-ctrl-f11' to get to other virtual consoles, from > which to restart lightdm. On those occasions where I can start the session > with the 'try' button, I can log out, then back in, getting a working > ubuntu-2d session. Maybe the switching to the 'try ubuntu' live session will > be fixed in the 4-April daily live build? Such sessions work as they should, > for several (never more than 15 or so) minutes, then deteriorate until > they're non-functional. In the most recent session, the first sign of > trouble was that the speaking of menus became irratic, until it just stopped. > At this point, the speaking of focused app on a press and hole of 'alt-tab' > stopped, as if I'd somehow switched to 3d session. I opened a Nautilus > window at this point; the delay between my key presses and Orca speaking made > it useless. > > HTH, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > >> Hello, >> I don't know for sure what will happen if you'll point installer to an >> existing not empty partition and instruct it not to format the partition. >> I think I've tried doing that and then I've got a warning about some of my >> files being deleted so I've chosen another empty partition instead. >> >> Perhaps you might first try making your live usb persistent so you can test >> it better and then finally if you are happy with it you can just backup your >> files as you have already done and install to an empty partition. To make >> your usb live persistent boot from that live usb or any distro you have >> installed on the machine, use gparted, diskutility or whatever you like to >> create an ext3 partition on a remainning unallocated space of the usb >> device. Give this new partition name 'casper-rw' without the quotes. Make >> sure it's all lower case. After doing this your usb live should turn into >> persistent on the next boot. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On 3.4.2012 5:43, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> I'll look at the partition scheme and keep the mount points, if the disk >>> is set up correctly. What would happen if it's one big partition, and I >>> tell the installer not to format? Will it over-write or just refuse to >>> do anything? >>> Thanks, >>> Dave >>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are >>>> reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a >>>> broken state you are getting. >>>> I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well >>>> as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont >>>> know if it can pick your files from other distros. >>>> Greetings >>>> Peter >>>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt napísal: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but >>>>> the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash >>>>> drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. >>>>> It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, >>>>> start orca. >>>>> Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash >>>>> drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I >>>>> get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. >>>>> I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can >>>>> go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This >>>>> Unity 2d session ran for about 5 min
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hello, Upcomming image from tommorow is supposed to fix the issue where hitting try ubuntu after starting orca on the installer screen starts unity 3D instead of unity 2D. I am not sure it might have some impact on how accessible login works. Of course I will be trying that image when it comes out. Greetings Peter On 3.4.2012 12:28, Andy B. wrote: Try the build from 4/4. I haven't tried it yet, but there is supposed to be a lot of fixes in it. -Original Message- From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Peter Vágner Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:39 AM To: Krishnakant Mane Cc: Ubuntu Accessibility Subject: Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? Hello, On 2.4.2012 19:13, Krishnakant Mane wrote: I hear the drums sound. As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. I am instead pressing ctrl+s to start orca on this screen and then alt+tabbing to the installer window where I can activate try ubuntu. Now just logout and I get the drum sound. To log out I'm pressing the super key typing log, pressing arrow dow two times and pressing the enter key. Log out dialog comes up, I am pressing the button logout. Then I hear nothing not even the drums sound. While the system is logging out I can hear a click if I am using head phones. Trying to unmute the volume by using laptop built-in hardware buttons doesn't help. Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca start talking and every thing is fine from now. I've tried to press ctrl+s in this state eventhough I did not hear drums but no luck. I've also tried tabbing and shift+tabbing around and hitting ctrl+s again but still orca doesn't talk on the login screen. I am using daily live from 3rd of april. Have you got more ideas to try out? Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hello, On 2.4.2012 19:13, Krishnakant Mane wrote: I hear the drums sound. As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. I am instead pressing ctrl+s to start orca on this screen and then alt+tabbing to the installer window where I can activate try ubuntu. Now just logout and I get the drum sound. To log out I'm pressing the super key typing log, pressing arrow dow two times and pressing the enter key. Log out dialog comes up, I am pressing the button logout. Then I hear nothing not even the drums sound. While the system is logging out I can hear a click if I am using head phones. Trying to unmute the volume by using laptop built-in hardware buttons doesn't help. Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca start talking and every thing is fine from now. I've tried to press ctrl+s in this state eventhough I did not hear drums but no luck. I've also tried tabbing and shift+tabbing around and hitting ctrl+s again but still orca doesn't talk on the login screen. I am using daily live from 3rd of april. Have you got more ideas to try out? Greetings Peter -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hello, I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a broken state you are getting. I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont know if it can pick your files from other distros. Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt napísal: > Hi, > > I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the > thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, and > by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought me into > a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. > > Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash drive. > The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the drums > sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this > session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector > and get into Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 > minutes, then the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus > with it, and leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with > 'alt+tab'. Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and > no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user > data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the > installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I > choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when > I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on > my home network. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > >> Hello, >> If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you >> might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. >> I did it using this method and it worked. >> If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on >> startup. >> You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or >> you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. >> I have used command >> Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute >> >> Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and >> have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. >> To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- >> - press ctrl+s to start orca >> - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should >> land in the orca window. >> - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window >> - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and >> space to activate it >> - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch >> terminal. >> >> I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the >> past. >> >> Greetintz >> >> Peter >> >> >> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: >> >>> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >>> >>> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and >>> gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will >>> allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose >>> an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do >>> something differently when making the usb system?I start with the >>> Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke >>> unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage >>> isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB >>> targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hello, If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. I have used command Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- - press ctrl+s to start orca - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. Greetintz Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: > Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. > > When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave > the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When > I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible > session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently > when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the > dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system > (ignore line breaks). > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Dave > > > > sudo unetbootin method=diskimage > isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB > targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca running twice
Hello, I was able to get more instances of orca running by pressing and holding down ctrl+s shortcut key while booting live cd after hearing the drums sound. Might this be related? Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 15:41, Tom Masterson napísal: > I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not > seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of > orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why > this is happening? > > Tom > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 2012.04 issues
Hello, This is Acer ao bw150 netbook. It has 1 GB of ram and an onboard intel based graphic chip. It can even run unity-3d so I really don't knowwhether relly hardware is the issue. Should I post free output or something else to help narrowing it? Besides ubuntu I usually run Windows XP on this machine. Greetings Peter On 2.4.2012 13:36, Andy B. wrote: The first thing, what are the specs on this netbook? I have been installing daily builds ever since Feburary, and had never came across this problem. The only one I have at this point is the loss of shortcuts from the gnome settings center. Sounds like your video card, or memory issues might be causing the problem. I installed the 03/27 build and never had those problems. -Original Message- From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Peter Vágner Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:17 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: ubuntu 2012.04 issues Hello, Several days ago I've installed ubuntu 2012.04 to my usb drive for testing. I will go throught some issues I'm having. If you like you can take this as a small review. I'm sorry I won't go to much detail while talking about stuff which already works verry well. That's the nature of many people. People start talking when they need help or when they dislike something. I must say I like the upcoming release of ubuntu because I can already see a lot of progress. For example I can use thunderbird with many more messages in a single folder than I was able to previously. Thunderbird startup takes a bit longer as discussed earlier on this and on the orca-list but it's verry usable. The same goes about the menus. Many people argue that gnome 2 with its main menu structure is better accessible. Maybe access to the aplication icons is better with classic gnome hower I find access to the items such as batery indicator, network indicator, chat / messaging indicator, volume indicator and others more accessible with unity-2d than it used to be with classic gnome. It's now perfectly integrated into the menu. The only thing I am unable to do with unity-2d is that I am unable to see the list of all installed applications. I can see applications on the launcher I can also press the super key alone and do a search but I can't browse for an app. I am sure this can be done somehow. I'm quite impressed how it works but here are some issues and inconstencies I have came accross and would like to get your feetback on. - My netbook is a bit old and doesn't have a lot of power. It's still able to run ubuntu and be usable. At times when doing some inthensive operations e.g. loading a huge webpage in Firefox or updating parts of the page dynamically the system is getting a bit sluggish. I know this is fine however sometimes I don't know whether it's still doing its job or it has frozen. Perhaps I'm just paranoid and would like to get the progress each time it is doing something. In such case when the system is bussy and I'll press some key bindings most frequently orcas flat review commands the orcas ability to react to keypresses breaks. For example I can navigate around the desktop using the keyboard but I am unable to press ctrl key to pause the speech. I need to wait when the voice is done speaking and then do the other action because interupting speech no longer works while doing key presses. The cure to this is restarting orca. I can navigate to the orca main window, find the quit button and press it using a spacebar. Orca then quits andI am able to start it again by pressing alt+f2 and typing orca followed by the enter key press. When Orca is restarted its ability to react to keypresses is back to normal. When orca is back to normal I am usually getting a crash reporter saying that ubuntu had an internal problem. I've been able to use standard navigation features to dismiss the crash reporter. It then opened launchpad with new bug form. Sometimes it's the bug about unity I've also seen a bug related to dbus once. At this point Firefox is working well however I am afraid orca doesn't use the proper scripts because I can't navigate thepage using quick navigation commands and also I am unable to use cursor keysfor reading. Similar bugs have already been filled so I was not able to properly read bug descriptions and comments in this state and I did not reportedthe issue at the bugtracker. Another thing I can notice in such a state is that when pressing alt+tab I am getting no speech output. While trying to log out or restart the computers using the menu I land on the desktop, press alt+f10 to bring up the menu and while arrowing in the menu I can see it is no longer speaking as I am moving over the menu items. The only way to get back to normal where alt+tab and menus work is to go to the terminal and restart the pc using
ubuntu 2012.04 issues
Hello, Several days ago I've installed ubuntu 2012.04 to my usb drive for testing. I will go throught some issues I'm having. If you like you can take this as a small review. I'm sorry I won't go to much detail while talking about stuff which already works verry well. That's the nature of many people. People start talking when they need help or when they dislike something. I must say I like the upcoming release of ubuntu because I can already see a lot of progress. For example I can use thunderbird with many more messages in a single folder than I was able to previously. Thunderbird startup takes a bit longer as discussed earlier on this and on the orca-list but it's verry usable. The same goes about the menus. Many people argue that gnome 2 with its main menu structure is better accessible. Maybe access to the aplication icons is better with classic gnome hower I find access to the items such as batery indicator, network indicator, chat / messaging indicator, volume indicator and others more accessible with unity-2d than it used to be with classic gnome. It's now perfectly integrated into the menu. The only thing I am unable to do with unity-2d is that I am unable to see the list of all installed applications. I can see applications on the launcher I can also press the super key alone and do a search but I can't browse for an app. I am sure this can be done somehow. I'm quite impressed how it works but here are some issues and inconstencies I have came accross and would like to get your feetback on. - My netbook is a bit old and doesn't have a lot of power. It's still able to run ubuntu and be usable. At times when doing some inthensive operations e.g. loading a huge webpage in Firefox or updating parts of the page dynamically the system is getting a bit sluggish. I know this is fine however sometimes I don't know whether it's still doing its job or it has frozen. Perhaps I'm just paranoid and would like to get the progress each time it is doing something. In such case when the system is bussy and I'll press some key bindings most frequently orcas flat review commands the orcas ability to react to keypresses breaks. For example I can navigate around the desktop using the keyboard but I am unable to press ctrl key to pause the speech. I need to wait when the voice is done speaking and then do the other action because interupting speech no longer works while doing key presses. The cure to this is restarting orca. I can navigate to the orca main window, find the quit button and press it using a spacebar. Orca then quits and I am able to start it again by pressing alt+f2 and typing orca followed by the enter key press. When Orca is restarted its ability to react to keypresses is back to normal. When orca is back to normal I am usually getting a crash reporter saying that ubuntu had an internal problem. I've been able to use standard navigation features to dismiss the crash reporter. It then opened launchpad with new bug form. Sometimes it's the bug about unity I've also seen a bug related to dbus once. At this point Firefox is working well however I am afraid orca doesn't use the proper scripts because I can't navigate the page using quick navigation commands and also I am unable to use cursor keys for reading. Similar bugs have already been filled so I was not able to properly read bug descriptions and comments in this state and I did not reported the issue at the bugtracker. Another thing I can notice in such a state is that when pressing alt+tab I am getting no speech output. While trying to log out or restart the computers using the menu I land on the desktop, press alt+f10 to bring up the menu and while arrowing in the menu I can see it is no longer speaking as I am moving over the menu items. The only way to get back to normal where alt+tab and menus work is to go to the terminal and restart the pc using the shutdown command. This is happenning for me quite frequently. I would be pleased if you might be able to look into this or possible give me some hints on how to proceed to diagnose it further. I would be gratefull for possible workarounds as well.e.g. how to prevent orca loosing its ability to react to keypresses or how to recover from this without restarting the whole machine. - On a different note I've read some exciting emails on this and also on the orca-list recently. Ubuntu 2012.04 is supposed to have ability to launch orca and get speech output on the login screen. While I was installing daily live from 22nd of march, I've chosen to log me in automatically during the install. So now while my PC is booting I am logged in automatically. After I'm done testing and I'll remain satisfied I would like to install to the hdd and add multiple users so other familly members can login as well. I've tried to test this by going to the devices menu and activating the item saying logout. I've got a confirmation dialog where I've presset logo
