Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
The firefox menubar font colour looks to be ever so slightly different (white?) to the colour of other windows menubars (light grey?). I've attached a screenshot (if attachments come through on this list...?) Nick attachment: Screenshot.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Am 13.05.2008 um 23:00 schrieb Kenneth Wimer: On Tuesday 13 May 2008 22:52:10 kim wrote: Hi, you can make the dotted line of selected widgets/items dispear by including GtkWidget:: focus-line-width =0 in the gtkrc file. I do not think that it is a matter of making it go away, but making it look nicer :-) Usability is good to keep in the back of your head, just in case :-) -- Ken I just do not see the point of drawing a focus line around a widget, unless somebody used the tab key to select it. :) Unfortunatly I do not know a way to change the behaviour of focus indication, so I just provided a way of getting rid of the focusline entirely. ;) ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) - www.kims-area.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 00:22:31 Kim Kahns wrote: Am 13.05.2008 um 23:00 schrieb Kenneth Wimer: On Tuesday 13 May 2008 22:52:10 kim wrote: Hi, you can make the dotted line of selected widgets/items dispear by including GtkWidget:: focus-line-width =0 in the gtkrc file. I do not think that it is a matter of making it go away, but making it look nicer :-) Usability is good to keep in the back of your head, just in case :-) -- Ken I just do not see the point of drawing a focus line around a widget, unless somebody used the tab key to select it. :) Right, I can see that point. Perhaps some people with more knowledge on the subject can shed some light on this. Unfortunatly I do not know a way to change the behaviour of focus indication, so I just provided a way of getting rid of the focusline entirely. ;) Yepp, and that you did very well. In the end I guess it is up to the folks working on this theme to decide, I just wanted to add my 2 cents for whatever it is worth (in this case maybe less but still worth mentioning). Have Fun! Kenneth -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno lun, 12/05/2008 alle 01.02 +0200, François Degrave ha scritto: Anton Kerezov a écrit : I've sort of fixed this. Just made the normal menus to have colors similar to these in firefox and the main menu: White text on gray bg not black text on grey bg. http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34764_NewWave_test_09_122_966lo.jpg New theme pack is uploaded at the wiki that contains the fix file. Anton I see the shutdown icon in the bar looks a bit fat and blurry. I'll try to make something better. Btw, I made some for the battery level. Cheers, François Please try this one and tell me if it's better. I guess it is, and I'll remake the others the same way. Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno lun, 12/05/2008 alle 14.13 +0200, François Degrave ha scritto: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp Hi! I don't know why, Giuseppe, but I can't install your Metacity theme. It just looks like on the capture attached. Do you know what would be my mistake - I clicked on Install, and chose New Wave_0.4.2.tar.gz? I'm still on Gutsy, does it affect anything? I don't know. But I have not problem. If it affect other, please report it. You can try to delete all old New Wave theme (all New Wave directory) in the ~/.themes directory and try to reinstall it. I think that rewrite an old style can't be a good idea. Anton, you have problem? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
François Degrave a écrit : Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 14:13 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp Hi! I don't know why, Giuseppe, but I can't install your Metacity theme. It just looks like on the capture attached. Do you know what would be my mistake - I clicked on Install, and chose New Wave_0.4.2.tar.gz? I'm still on Gutsy, does it affect anything? Cheers, François The metacity theme should be installed together with your gtk theme. If it doesn't appear as installed you should try clicking on Personnaliser and choose it from there. By the way do you have the clearlooks engine installed because what I see is the default gtk theme. Or if it appeared this way after you switched to New Wave then there is an error in the gtkrc (though on my PC there is nothing wrong with it. I downloaded it from the site). Please try to delete the theme and install it again. The gnome-logout.png icon is better looking now. Can somebody help with the icon theme integration? Or just give me hints? Anton I'm currently trying the HumanElephant one, and it is not bad at all - not perfect, but much better than Human. I think we should keep an orange one (less shiny, though) else we won't have any chance to integrate orange in the theme, and then it won't even be considered for default. But I still haven't managed to change sound and nm icons. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 16:17 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: François Degrave a écrit : Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 14:13 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp Hi! I don't know why, Giuseppe, but I can't install your Metacity theme. It just looks like on the capture attached. Do you know what would be my mistake - I clicked on Install, and chose New Wave_0.4.2.tar.gz? I'm still on Gutsy, does it affect anything? Cheers, François The metacity theme should be installed together with your gtk theme. If it doesn't appear as installed you should try clicking on Personnaliser and choose it from there. By the way do you have the clearlooks engine installed because what I see is the default gtk theme. Or if it appeared this way after you switched to New Wave then there is an error in the gtkrc (though on my PC there is nothing wrong with it. I downloaded it from the site). Please try to delete the theme and install it again. The gnome-logout.png icon is better looking now. Can somebody help with the icon theme integration? Or just give me hints? Anton I'm currently trying the HumanElephant one, and it is not bad at all - not perfect, but much better than Human. I think we should keep an orange one (less shiny, though) else we won't have any chance to integrate orange in the theme, and then it won't even be considered for default. I agree. You can even make your own icon theme with more modernistic and elegant icons (not the comic old ones) based on existing one. Thus we can much more easily integrate the icons we want. But I still haven't managed to change sound and nm icons. An issue indeed! Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno lun, 12/05/2008 alle 17.27 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: В 16:17 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: François Degrave a écrit : Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 14:13 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp Hi! I don't know why, Giuseppe, but I can't install your Metacity theme. It just looks like on the capture attached. Do you know what would be my mistake - I clicked on Install, and chose New Wave_0.4.2.tar.gz? I'm still on Gutsy, does it affect anything? Cheers, François The metacity theme should be installed together with your gtk theme. If it doesn't appear as installed you should try clicking on Personnaliser and choose it from there. By the way do you have the clearlooks engine installed because what I see is the default gtk theme. Or if it appeared this way after you switched to New Wave then there is an error in the gtkrc (though on my PC there is nothing wrong with it. I downloaded it from the site). Please try to delete the theme and install it again. The gnome-logout.png icon is better looking now. Can somebody help with the icon theme integration? Or just give me hints? Anton I'm currently trying the HumanElephant one, and it is not bad at all - not perfect, but much better than Human. I think we should keep an orange one (less shiny, though) else we won't have any chance to integrate orange in the theme, and then it won't even be considered for default. I agree. You can even make your own icon theme with more modernistic and elegant icons (not the comic old ones) based on existing one. Thus we can much more easily integrate the icons we want. I agree. A way more modernistc and elegant is better. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 16:39 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Il giorno lun, 12/05/2008 alle 17.27 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: В 16:17 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: François Degrave a écrit : Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 14:13 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp Hi! I don't know why, Giuseppe, but I can't install your Metacity theme. It just looks like on the capture attached. Do you know what would be my mistake - I clicked on Install, and chose New Wave_0.4.2.tar.gz? I'm still on Gutsy, does it affect anything? Cheers, François The metacity theme should be installed together with your gtk theme. If it doesn't appear as installed you should try clicking on Personnaliser and choose it from there. By the way do you have the clearlooks engine installed because what I see is the default gtk theme. Or if it appeared this way after you switched to New Wave then there is an error in the gtkrc (though on my PC there is nothing wrong with it. I downloaded it from the site). Please try to delete the theme and install it again. The gnome-logout.png icon is better looking now. Can somebody help with the icon theme integration? Or just give me hints? Anton I'm currently trying the HumanElephant one, and it is not bad at all - not perfect, but much better than Human. I think we should keep an orange one (less shiny, though) else we won't have any chance to integrate orange in the theme, and then it won't even be considered for default. I agree. You can even make your own icon theme with more modernistic and elegant icons (not the comic old ones) based on existing one. Thus we can much more easily integrate the icons we want. I agree. A way more modernistc and elegant is better. Giuseppe P. Does anybody knows what the following message is meaning. When I have the base clearlooks it works fine but when I compile my own it gives me this: http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04065_NewWave_engine_test_01_122_860lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
2008/5/12 Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: В 16:39 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Il giorno lun, 12/05/2008 alle 17.27 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: В 16:17 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: François Degrave a écrit : Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 14:13 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : Very nice. I think that i's the right way. gp Hi! I don't know why, Giuseppe, but I can't install your Metacity theme. It just looks like on the capture attached. Do you know what would be my mistake - I clicked on Install, and chose New Wave_0.4.2.tar.gz? I'm still on Gutsy, does it affect anything? Cheers, François The metacity theme should be installed together with your gtk theme. If it doesn't appear as installed you should try clicking on Personnaliser and choose it from there. By the way do you have the clearlooks engine installed because what I see is the default gtk theme. Or if it appeared this way after you switched to New Wave then there is an error in the gtkrc (though on my PC there is nothing wrong with it. I downloaded it from the site). Please try to delete the theme and install it again. The gnome-logout.png icon is better looking now. Can somebody help with the icon theme integration? Or just give me hints? Anton I'm currently trying the HumanElephant one, and it is not bad at all - not perfect, but much better than Human. I think we should keep an orange one (less shiny, though) else we won't have any chance to integrate orange in the theme, and then it won't even be considered for default. I agree. You can even make your own icon theme with more modernistic and elegant icons (not the comic old ones) based on existing one. Thus we can much more easily integrate the icons we want. I agree. A way more modernistc and elegant is better. Giuseppe P. Does anybody knows what the following message is meaning. When I have the base clearlooks it works fine but when I compile my own it gives me this: http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04065_NewWave_engine_test_01_122_860lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hi! I found an issue with New Wave and OpenOffice's menus, similar to the problem with Firefox. I've tried with OpenOffice 2.4 and with the new 3.0 Beta and both have the same issue. I upload a screenshot at http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazoml5.png Hope this helps. Regards -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 14:58 -0300 на 12.05.2008 (пн), spg76 написа: Hi! I found an issue with New Wave and OpenOffice's menus, similar to the problem with Firefox. I've tried with OpenOffice 2.4 and with the new 3.0 Beta and both have the same issue. I upload a screenshot at http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazoml5.png Hope this helps. Regards -- Seba (AKA spg76) We will see what can we do about it. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
spg76 wrote: Hi! I found an issue with New Wave and OpenOffice's menus, similar to the problem with Firefox. I've tried with OpenOffice 2.4 and with the new 3.0 Beta and both have the same issue. I upload a screenshot at http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazoml5.png Hope this helps. Regards This is going to be a issue with any dark theme. We can only report bugs and hope coders take it seriously. It really comes from using GTK incorrectly. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov wrote: В 14:58 -0300 на 12.05.2008 (пн), spg76 написа: Hi! I found an issue with New Wave and OpenOffice's menus, similar to the problem with Firefox. I've tried with OpenOffice 2.4 and with the new 3.0 Beta and both have the same issue. I upload a screenshot at http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazoml5.png Hope this helps. Regards -- Seba (AKA spg76) We will see what can we do about it. Anton In some cases nothing. Ubuntu Studio has done a lot of work with bugs like this and you may well find a fix, but it can effect other apps. Then a fix for that messes up another. Our gtkrc was a mess at one point full of fixes. I submit bugs alot. Hopefully this isn't one of those we fixed it here but it broke over here. situations. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 14:30 -0400 на 12.05.2008 (пн), Cory K. написа: Hopefully this isn't one of those we fixed it here but it broke over here. situations. You are right! I can't do anything about it. As a whole OO.org is the suit that irritates me a lot. In the name of portability it just sucks visually (and functionally - can't create a single pdf normally). That's ok for OO.org but I just do not understand Evolution. Check out the preferences Email settings and Editor settings (compare the tabs and colors:) ). I should report a bug. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave (Engine)
2008/5/8 Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
В 20:48 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen написа:
Start by checking out Murrine from Gnome svn:
svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine
Use an svn checkout to make it easier to create diffs/patches ('svn
diff mypatch.patch'). To set up a development environment use:
sudo apt-get install libcairo2-doc libgtk2.0-doc devhelp anjuta
sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine
Now you should be able to build murrine from source - Run
./autogen.sh (only needed the first time)
make
(don't do 'make install')
Now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkelKamstrupErlandsen/ThemeEngineTricks
will tell you how to create a symlink in your home dir to have the
system pick the compiled engine up (you should not have murrine
installed).
Anjuta is a nice code editor and devhelp is a documentation viewer.
Get hacking :-) Cheers,
Mikkel
Hi Mikkel,
Right now make builds all the themes but I want it to only build
clearlooks. Can you help me with the
makefile I need to build CL? Anybody else, Who ? (I attach the necessary
files)
I'm thinking of adding new style to CL like GUMMY or GLOSSY that will be
called NEWWAVE or smth. And I planned to make a separate
clearloocs_draw_newwave.xxx file to do the new style. What do you think?
Sorry for the late reply, but I was on vacation.
If you only hack inside Clearlooks then 'make' should only rebuild the
clearlooks engine, with fairly little overhead from checking if other files
have changed.
Anyways; I think it is important that you 'write your engine' as a patch for
upstream Gnome. This also means that you should not rip it out of the source
tree. It is generally frowned upon to just fork engines (like Fedora forked
Murrine to create Nodoko) and it is also a great maintenance burden. If you
can get it included as a patch upstream you are pretty much safe, and will
benefit from later developments (including security fixes!) of the
Clearlooks engine.
The tricky part is getting it into upstream. To maximize your chances
consider the following:
* Make sure to touch as little as possible of the existing code
* Follow the code style and terminology of the existing code base
* Make the code easily understandable (fx good variable names, and comment
the non-obvious sections)
Make sure you have a clean current svn snapshot by running 'svn up' and
resolving any conflicts (likely none if you've kept your changes
non-intrusive). Then run 'svn diff new_wave_style.patch' and attach it to
a bug report on Gnome's bugzilla (bugzilla.gnome.org product: gnome-themes
and component: theme-clearlooks) shortly describing why we need it (maybe
link to mockups/screenshots).
At your service,
Mikkel
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave (Engine)
В 21:30 +0200 на 12.05.2008 (пн), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen написа:
2008/5/8 Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
В 20:48 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
написа:
Start by checking out Murrine from Gnome svn:
svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine
Use an svn checkout to make it easier to create
diffs/patches ('svn
diff mypatch.patch'). To set up a development environment
use:
sudo apt-get install libcairo2-doc libgtk2.0-doc devhelp
anjuta
sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine
Now you should be able to build murrine from source - Run
./autogen.sh (only needed the first time)
make
(don't do 'make install')
Now
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkelKamstrupErlandsen/ThemeEngineTricks
will tell you how to create a symlink in your home dir to
have the
system pick the compiled engine up (you should not have
murrine
installed).
Anjuta is a nice code editor and devhelp is a documentation
viewer.
Get hacking :-) Cheers,
Mikkel
Hi Mikkel,
Right now make builds all the themes but I want it to only
build clearlooks. Can you help me with the
makefile I need to build CL? Anybody else, Who ? (I attach the
necessary files)
I'm thinking of adding new style to CL like GUMMY or GLOSSY
that will be
called NEWWAVE or smth. And I planned to make a separate
clearloocs_draw_newwave.xxx file to do the new style. What do
you think?
Sorry for the late reply, but I was on vacation.
If you only hack inside Clearlooks then 'make' should only rebuild the
clearlooks engine, with fairly little overhead from checking if other
files have changed.
Anyways; I think it is important that you 'write your engine' as a
patch for upstream Gnome. This also means that you should not rip it
out of the source tree. It is generally frowned upon to just fork
engines (like Fedora forked Murrine to create Nodoko) and it is also a
great maintenance burden. If you can get it included as a patch
upstream you are pretty much safe, and will benefit from later
developments (including security fixes!) of the Clearlooks engine.
The tricky part is getting it into upstream. To maximize your chances
consider the following:
* Make sure to touch as little as possible of the existing code
* Follow the code style and terminology of the existing code base
* Make the code easily understandable (fx good variable names, and
comment the non-obvious sections)
Make sure you have a clean current svn snapshot by running 'svn up'
and resolving any conflicts (likely none if you've kept your changes
non-intrusive). Then run 'svn diff new_wave_style.patch' and attach
it to a bug report on Gnome's bugzilla (bugzilla.gnome.org product:
gnome-themes and component: theme-clearlooks) shortly describing why
we need it (maybe link to mockups/screenshots).
At your service,
Mikkel
Thanks for the advice. The thing is that clearlooks comes with a dozen
other engines that I do not need to compile every time.
Anton
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 21:09 -0300 на 10.05.2008 (сб), spg76 написа:
2008/5/10 Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ken wrote
I can help with everything up to the actual setting up of
a PPA
(although I
can probably point you in the right direction and get some
outside
help).
Let me know if you are interested.
Yes I am. How are this things set up (PPA)? Do you know how
to solve the
mozilla issue?
The quick start guide for PPA's can be found here:
http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
although quick might be a bit too optimistic it does seem
straightforward.
As far as firefox is concerned I am still pretty much in the
dark as to how it
exactly uses a gtk theme. I guess this will be one of the
things we need to
work on before intrepid.
--
Ken
Thanks. If I have any further questions I will ask :)
TJS wrote:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
It is quite easy.
Thanks too.
Hello, everybody I'm testing the New Wave theme and I really like it.
I'd fix the Firefox issue creating a file name userChrome.css on my
firefox profile folder (usually
~/.mozilla/firefox/ramdom.default/chrome/) with the following lines:
menu {
color: white ! important;
}
menubar, menulist, menubutton, menuitem {
color: black ! important;
}
The only thing different compared with other GTK programs it's when
you press the menu the color remains white.
Hope that this helps.
Regards.
I've managed to get the same results here.
@namespace
url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;); /*
set default namespace to XUL */
/*make the menu use grey colors for text*/
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
Is there a way of setting the selected foreground color through
menubar menu[something...] {...} ?
PS: You can see how New Wave looks on my system in
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazo1kx8.png
Nice :)
Anton
@namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;); /* set default namespace to XUL */
/*make the menu use grey colors for text*/
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
/*make the statusbar use grey colors for text*/
statusbar
{
font-weight: normal !important;
color: rgb(50%,50%,50%) !important;
}
#urlbar[fission=fusion] #statusbar-icon .progress-bar
{
-moz-appearance: progresschunk !important;
}
/*
menubar menu[_moz-menuactive=true] {
color: -moz-menuhovertext !important;
color: MenuText !important;
}
*/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
spg76 ha scritto:
Hello, everybody I'm testing the New Wave theme and I really like it.
I'd fix the Firefox issue creating a file name userChrome.css on my
firefox profile folder (usually
~/.mozilla/firefox/ramdom.default/chrome/) with the following lines:
menu {
color: white ! important;
}
menubar, menulist, menubutton, menuitem {
color: black ! important;
}
The only thing different compared with other GTK programs it's when
you press the menu the color remains white.
Hope that this helps.
Regards.
PS: You can see how New Wave looks on my system in
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazo1kx8.png
Very Nice!!!
But I think that the problem of this type solution is that if someone
wants to change the theme he must necessarily change the userChrome.css
file.
And I don't know if it's user friendly.
I'm traying to find a workaround in the gtkrc but it's very hard.
Giuseppe P.
ps: I think that activate a PPA Launchpad and BZR can be a great idea.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 23:52 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Kenneth Wimer написа: Yes I am. How are this things set up (PPA)? Do you know how to solve the mozilla issue? The quick start guide for PPA's can be found here: http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart Ok I've set up PPA but now I don't know how to build a theme package to upload in the repos. Can you help me? A good start for content is the New Wave Alpha Pack v0.4.1 located at the wiki [1]. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov ha scritto:
I've managed to get the same results here.
@namespace
url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;); /*
set default namespace to XUL */
/*make the menu use grey colors for text*/
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
I think that is better to remove this:
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
otherwise the inactive menuitem can't be display correctly.
Is there a way of setting the selected foreground color through
menubar menu[something...] {...} ?
I not understand, what is the effect that want you get?
gp
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Why don't you use system color names, as defined in
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#system-colors?
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Giuseppe Pennisi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think that is better to remove this:
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
otherwise the inactive menuitem can't be display correctly.
isn't there a :disabled pseudo class or a normal class firefox uses to
mark disabled menu items?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 17:09 +0200 на 11.05.2008 (нд), Giuseppe Pennisi написа:
Anton Kerezov ha scritto:
I've managed to get the same results here.
@namespace
url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul;); /*
set default namespace to XUL */
/*make the menu use grey colors for text*/
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
I think that is better to remove this:
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
otherwise the inactive menuitem can't be display correctly.
Yes we will. This is just experimental.
Is there a way of setting the selected foreground color through
menubar menu[something...] {...} ?
I not understand, what is the effect that want you get?
gp
The effect is that when the menu is selected I would use different
colors for fg and bg. Something like this:
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
menubar menu [selected = true] {
color: black !important;
}
I also have difficulties with the engine option NEWWAVE. I made
it but when I try to make some changes in the code some apps crash.
Do I need to restart X every time I made changes and recompile?
I am thinking of creating a new one based on clearlooks but
with different name like libnewwavelooks.so or smth.
If someone wants to help the code is uploaded at the wiki.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave
@gp: I removed the ZOOM images form the wiki. But then realized they
may be needed. If you want upload new ones.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 18:55 +0200 на 11.05.2008 (нд), Klaus Bitto написа:
Why don't you use system color names, as defined in
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#system-colors?
When I use MenuText the text is black :(
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Giuseppe Pennisi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that is better to remove this:
menubutton, menuitem, menupopup, popup
{
color: black !important;
}
otherwise the inactive menuitem can't be display correctly.
isn't there a :disabled pseudo class or a normal class firefox uses
to mark disabled menu items?
I don't know but if you can find something on that matter you are
welcomed to release a fix or make your own userChrome.css
Anton
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 11:24 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), François Degrave написа:
Hi!
Here are the first taskbar icons (added on the wiki):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=taskbar_icons.zip
If you have any remark/question/request about color/size/shape please
don't hesitate. Also, I don't really know what others are missing (a
bluetooth one? Network warning?...) so please tell me which ones I
should make.
Cheers,
François
Hi,
I've replaced the logout icon with yours and it's so much better now. It
looks somehow modern. I also added the icons to a sub folder of the
theme called icons and created a theme.index file to use them but when I
switch themes it uses not even Human but the default gnome icon theme.
Here is the file:
[Icon Theme]
Name=New Wave
Comment=Monchromatic icons for the taskbar
Inherits=Human,Tangerine,gnome
Example=x-directory-normal
Directories=24x24/apps,24x24/status,22x22/apps,22x22/status,16x16/status
[24x24/apps]
Size=24
Context=Applications
Type=Fixed
[24x24/status]
Size=24
Context=Status
Type=Fixed
[22x22/apps]
Size=22
Context=Applications
Type=Fixed
[22x22/status]
Size=22
Context=Status
Type=Fixed
[16x16/status]
Size=16
Context=Status
Type=Fixed
Somebody with experience in icon themes?
Here is the function that gets the volume-control icons but it obviously
is not working on my PC although I replaced the icons in the appropriate
folders. (the code is from the GNOME svn).
static void
init_pixbufs (GnomeVolumeApplet *applet)
{
static const gchar *pix_filenames[] = {
audio-volume-muted,
audio-volume-low,
audio-volume-medium,
audio-volume-high,
NULL
};
gint n;
for (n = 0; pix_filenames[n] != NULL; n++) {
(...)
applet-pix[n] = gtk_icon_theme_load_icon (gtk_icon_theme_get_default (),
pix_filenames[n],
applet-panel_size - 4,
0,
NULL);
(...)
}
}
Anton
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov ha scritto:
Is there a way of setting the selected foreground color through
menubar menu[something...] {...} ?
I not understand, what is the effect that want you get?
gp
The effect is that when the menu is selected I would use different
colors for fg and bg. Something like this:
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
menubar menu [selected = true] {
color: black !important;
}
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
menuitem:hover {
color: red !important;
}
It's can be a solution? (It's just example)
I also have difficulties with the engine option NEWWAVE. I made
it but when I try to make some changes in the code some apps crash.
Do I need to restart X every time I made changes and recompile?
I am thinking of creating a new one based on clearlooks but
with different name like libnewwavelooks.so or smth.
If someone wants to help the code is uploaded at the wiki.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave
Good. I will a look at it.
@gp: I removed the ZOOM images form the wiki. But then realized they
may be needed. If you want upload new ones.
I uploaded it ;-)
gp
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 20:57 +0200 на 11.05.2008 (нд), Giuseppe Pennisi написа:
Anton Kerezov ha scritto:
Is there a way of setting the selected foreground color through
menubar menu[something...] {...} ?
I not understand, what is the effect that want you get?
gp
The effect is that when the menu is selected I would use different
colors for fg and bg. Something like this:
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
menubar menu [selected = true] {
color: black !important;
}
menubar menu {
color: #E5E5E5 !important;
}
menuitem:hover {
color: red !important;
}
It's can be a solution? (It's just example)
I've sort of fixed this. Just made the normal menus to have colors
similar to these in firefox and the main menu: White text on gray bg not
black text on grey bg.
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34764_NewWave_test_09_122_966lo.jpg
New theme pack is uploaded at the wiki that contains the fix file.
Anton
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit : I've sort of fixed this. Just made the normal menus to have colors similar to these in firefox and the main menu: White text on gray bg not black text on grey bg. http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34764_NewWave_test_09_122_966lo.jpg New theme pack is uploaded at the wiki that contains the fix file. Anton I see the shutdown icon in the bar looks a bit fat and blurry. I'll try to make something better. Btw, I made some for the battery level. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 17:49 +0200, François Degrave wrote: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this all-in-one effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this solid feeling. But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it looks really nice and clean. François PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time for yesterday neither today). Hey, just chiming in to tell y'all that it is possible to have the transparency fade to opaque. Run gconf-editor, then edit the gconf entry /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_shade_opacity: check the checkbox, or set it to true with the command line tool (not sure how to do this). kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hi! Here are the first taskbar icons (added on the wiki): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=taskbar_icons.zip If you have any remark/question/request about color/size/shape please don't hesitate. Also, I don't really know what others are missing (a bluetooth one? Network warning?...) so please tell me which ones I should make. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 01:31 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: fruchtschwert ha scritto: Hey, first of all I think you're doing a great job with the NewWave theme .. It's very good, that you don't consider all people being able to run emerald and there are window decorations for metacity available too. To help a bit, I wanted to report the bugs I noticed. I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: Then, on the left and right side of the inactive window bar, 1px wide grey strips appear, which shouldn't be there. Thank you for your report. I will fix the bug. Except of that the theme seems to have incompatibilities with firefox / thunderbird (menubar corrupted) and the processor-speed gnome-panel-applet (black font). Certainly these are things you'll want to fix at a later point of time, I just wanted to point them out. Sure, thanks. The theme is work in progress. We will try to fix all bugs. I don't like the dark version (alpha6), it's too heavy / depressing. Hope it won't be considered.. Another question: are you planning to change the buttons in the metacity theme to look like the ones of the emerald one, or is the space on the window bar unsufficient ? It's also very beautiful like it is, but it would be more consistent .. Various options are under consideration for to be choose in a second time. But for this anton or francois may respond better. I too agree that it should be consistent. Giuseppe can you use the buttons from the emerald theme? One more tip Giuseppe: The next time you increment a version please tell us so that we can update our stuff too in it. And if you let me manage all the stuff it would be even better cos now the package contents became bloated with alphas ;) Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Kido Mariano ha scritto: The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this all-in-one effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this solid feeling. But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it looks really nice and clean. François PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time for yesterday neither today). Hey, just chiming in to tell y'all that it is possible to have the transparency fade to opaque. Run gconf-editor, then edit the gconf entry /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_shade_opacity: check the checkbox, or set it to true with the command line tool (not sure how to do this). Yes, it was like I thought. You've early me. Infact I changed the value of metacity_theme_opacity from 0.75 to 1.0 and I solved the problem. http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompiznofe6.png Another solution is to flag metacity_theme_shade_opacity and set metacity_theme_opacity to 58 (or other). http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizwias1.png I think that it's the most logical solution because it's not a metacity problem (or gtkrc engine), but a specific configuration of compiz. For me the problem of active\inactive window can be fixed with compiz setup. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 11:24 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), François Degrave написа: Hi! Here are the first taskbar icons (added on the wiki): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=taskbar_icons.zip If you have any remark/question/request about color/size/shape please don't hesitate. Also, I don't really know what others are missing (a bluetooth one? Network warning?...) so please tell me which ones I should make. Cheers, François Excellent work François! I've replaced all nm-xxx icons but it still shows me the old one. What icons should I replace? There are many sizes 16x16 to 48x48. It will be better if you create a network icon for no connection. Did you thought of the shape of buttons and so on? Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno ven, 09/05/2008 alle 23.01 +, fruchtschwert ha scritto: I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: I fixed it. @Anton: I attached the metacity and the gconf files (for fix the inactive windows opacity), if you want insert in archive for the wiki Giuseppe P. NewWave.tar.gz Description: application/compressed-tar -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 19:41 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Il giorno ven, 09/05/2008 alle 23.01 +, fruchtschwert ha scritto: I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: I fixed it. @Anton: I attached the metacity and the gconf files (for fix the inactive windows opacity), if you want insert in archive for the wiki Giuseppe P. Thank you. Soon I will update 0.4.1 that includes the metacity-1 in it so only one package will be used. :) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno sab, 10/05/2008 alle 22.29 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: I've updated the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave Now the theme includes the metacity borders by default and have updated compiz and emerald profiles. I've also managed to fix the cpu-freq applet showing unreadable text. Wow, great work!!! I don't know, but I think that insert in wiki the new screenshoot with metacity opacity fixed (for example, I have posted it before) it will can be a good idea. Or not? Still need to figure out how Firefox/Thunderbird uses menus. Does anybody knows how to fix this? I'm trying to understand and find this. But I will put back to work tomorrow or monday. I go out to drink a pair of beer. ;-) You're not here otherwise I would have invited to you. :-D ;-) Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В 19:41 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Il giorno ven, 09/05/2008 alle 23.01 +, fruchtschwert ha scritto: I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: I fixed it. @Anton: I attached the metacity and the gconf files (for fix the inactive windows opacity), if you want insert in archive for the wiki Giuseppe P. Thank you. Soon I will update 0.4.1 that includes the metacity-1 in it so only one package will be used. :) Perhaps this is a good point to start thinking about having a package in Launchpad and a BZR branch for the theme, and then you can have a Launchpad PPA repository for people to be testing the theme from. Cory, anyone else with Launchpad-foo - is all this possible? Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 22:40 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Il giorno sab, 10/05/2008 alle 22.29 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto: I've updated the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave Now the theme includes the metacity borders by default and have updated compiz and emerald profiles. I've also managed to fix the cpu-freq applet showing unreadable text. Wow, great work!!! I don't know, but I think that insert in wiki the new screenshoot with metacity opacity fixed (for example, I have posted it before) it will can be a good idea. Or not? Yes, good one! Still need to figure out how Firefox/Thunderbird uses menus. Does anybody knows how to fix this? I'm trying to understand and find this. But I will put back to work tomorrow or monday. I go out to drink a pair of beer. ;-) You're not here otherwise I would have invited to you. :-D ;-) Giuseppe P. I've searched the web and found that the colors in firefox are handled by userChrome.css file. I've made one and now the menus are gray but when active the gray does not changes to black. If there is css expert please help. Who said: Perhaps this is a good point to start thinking about having a package in Launchpad and a BZR branch for the theme, and then you can have a Launchpad PPA repository for people to be testing the theme from. Probably it is a good idea but I'm not familiar with branches and version control systems :( Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov wrote: Probably it is a good idea but I'm not familiar with branches and version control systems :( http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr It is quite easy. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Saturday 10 May 2008 23:37:45 Anton Kerezov wrote: В 22:40 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: tomorrow or monday. I go out to drink a pair of beer. ;-) You're not here otherwise I would have invited to you. :-D ;-) Giuseppe P. :) Wow thanks for the invitation. Ken wrote I can help with everything up to the actual setting up of a PPA (although I can probably point you in the right direction and get some outside help). Let me know if you are interested. Yes I am. How are this things set up (PPA)? Do you know how to solve the mozilla issue? The quick start guide for PPA's can be found here: http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart although quick might be a bit too optimistic it does seem straightforward. As far as firefox is concerned I am still pretty much in the dark as to how it exactly uses a gtk theme. I guess this will be one of the things we need to work on before intrepid. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
2008/5/10 Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Saturday 10 May 2008 23:37:45 Anton Kerezov wrote:
В 22:40 +0200 на 10.05.2008 (сб), Giuseppe Pennisi написа:
tomorrow or monday. I go out to drink a pair of beer. ;-)
You're not here otherwise I would have invited to you. :-D
;-)
Giuseppe P.
:) Wow thanks for the invitation.
Ken wrote
I can help with everything up to the actual setting up of a PPA
(although I
can probably point you in the right direction and get some outside
help).
Let me know if you are interested.
Yes I am. How are this things set up (PPA)? Do you know how to solve the
mozilla issue?
The quick start guide for PPA's can be found here:
http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
although quick might be a bit too optimistic it does seem straightforward.
As far as firefox is concerned I am still pretty much in the dark as to how
it
exactly uses a gtk theme. I guess this will be one of the things we need to
work on before intrepid.
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Hello, everybody I'm testing the New Wave theme and I really like it.
I'd fix the Firefox issue creating a file name userChrome.css on my firefox
profile folder (usually ~/.mozilla/firefox/ramdom.default/chrome/) with
the following lines:
menu {
color: white ! important;
}
menubar, menulist, menubutton, menuitem {
color: black ! important;
}
The only thing different compared with other GTK programs it's when you
press the menu the color remains white.
Hope that this helps.
Regards.
PS: You can see how New Wave looks on my system in
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazo1kx8.png
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) For insert the gtkrc+metacity in wiki, wich version number should I use? 0.3? I modified only 'style metacity-frame' in the gtkrc file, because the bg[SELECTED] color of metacity-frame style must be the same of bg[NORMAL] of menubar. I continue to work on it... :-) gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this all-in-one effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this solid feeling. But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it looks really nice and clean. François PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time for yesterday neither today). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
François Degrave ha scritto: The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this all-in-one effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this solid feeling. Yes, is true. It is disappointing but I don't know if it's only a Metacity problem, indeed (as you can see) if Compiz not enabled the problem is not present. Perhaps changing (some) the compiz settings the problem can be fixed. If that's possible it cane be a workaround. I will try to solve the problem or with compiz (if this is possible) or writing (or asking :D )a patch for metacity. But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it looks really nice and clean. Yeah. I'm loving this theme every day more...nice and clean. François PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time for yesterday neither today). I look forward to seeing. :-) Giuseppe P. ps: Can I insert the metacity + gtkrc theme in wiki? I applied only little patch to the style of metacity-frame because it (the color) must be the same of the style of menubar. Mark the gtkrc file as NewWave_Alpha6? I don't touch AUTHORS, Compiz, etc.. files!!! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
ps: Can I insert the metacity + gtkrc theme in wiki? I applied only little patch to the style of metacity-frame because it (the color) must be the same of the style of menubar. Mark the gtkrc file as NewWave_Alpha6? I don't touch AUTHORS, Compiz, etc.. files!!! No problem, that's fine for me! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
François Degrave ha scritto: That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this all-in-one effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this solid feeling. Yes, is true. It is disappointing but I don't know if it's only a Metacity problem, indeed (as you can see) if Compiz not enabled the problem is not present. Perhaps changing (some) the compiz settings the problem can be fixed. If that's possible it cane be a workaround. I will try to solve the problem or with compiz (if this is possible) or writing (or asking :D )a patch for metacity. Btw, it is better to try to make the menu bar the same color as the window bar rather than removing the transparency of the window bar. The transparency can stay if the menu bar is the continuation of the window bar. Yes, I agree with you. It can be very nice. But the engine must be modified. However I think that this theme is becoming increasingly pleasant. :-) Giuseppe P. ps: I upgraded the wiki. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hello, Good news everyone. I've managed to compile and link the code successfully. I made a simple test by increasing some property of cairo to 5.0 width and - it worked :). I managed to create a new style that is called NEWWAVE (like GUMMY and CLASSIC). From now on please use it instead of GUMMY in the gtkrc file: http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62639_NewWave_test_08_122_800lo.jpg So we can start making new widgets design. Do you have any propositions? Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: For insert the gtkrc+metacity in wiki, wich version number should I use? 0.3? I modified only 'style metacity-frame' in the gtkrc file, because the bg[SELECTED] color of metacity-frame style must be the same of bg[NORMAL] of menubar. As it is defferent code I suppose you start from where you want 0.1 or 1.0. As for the gtkrc file I will make the changes in it (they don't have effect on the emerald+compiz theme). Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno ven, 09/05/2008 alle 23.11 +0300, Anton Kerezov ha scritto:
ps: I upgraded the wiki.
Giuseppe can you please remove the close up screenshot version of the
wiki, because if you want to see it closer you can click FullSize on the
others and see it.
Ok. I removed it. I had inserted it because it was more defined.
But no matter, I think you are right. ;-)
I propose you to only include your Metacity folder in archive and have
different version such as 0.2 (lower than the theme because started
later) and We (You , Francois, and I) will pack it together in the
section for the Emerald+Compiz (that is because the user is confised
what to downlaod now (newwer version only for metacity ? in metacity
section)
Ok. You are right. I modified the archive. I renamed the metacity with a
number versione (0.2). But I changed also (few) the gtkrc theme (style
metacity-frame { ... }) to make consistent titlebar with menubar.
:-)
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[ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hey, first of all I think you're doing a great job with the NewWave theme .. It's very good, that you don't consider all people being able to run emerald and there are window decorations for metacity available too. To help a bit, I wanted to report the bugs I noticed. I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: Then, on the left and right side of the inactive window bar, 1px wide grey strips appear, which shouldn't be there. Except of that the theme seems to have incompatibilities with firefox / thunderbird (menubar corrupted) and the processor-speed gnome-panel-applet (black font). Certainly these are things you'll want to fix at a later point of time, I just wanted to point them out. I don't like the dark version (alpha6), it's too heavy / depressing. Hope it won't be considered.. Another question: are you planning to change the buttons in the metacity theme to look like the ones of the emerald one, or is the space on the window bar unsufficient ? It's also very beautiful like it is, but it would be more consistent .. Cheers Martin Nicht vergessen! Am Sonntag, den 11. Mai ist Muttertag Geschenkideen, Gedichte mehr: www.yahoo.de/muttertag -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
fruchtschwert ha scritto: Hey, first of all I think you're doing a great job with the NewWave theme .. It's very good, that you don't consider all people being able to run emerald and there are window decorations for metacity available too. To help a bit, I wanted to report the bugs I noticed. I tried the NewWave_AlphaPack.0.4 with emerald and metacity with and without compiz. The metacity 0.2 has a small bug, when having a maximized inactive window behind an unmaximized active one: Then, on the left and right side of the inactive window bar, 1px wide grey strips appear, which shouldn't be there. Thank you for your report. I will fix the bug. Except of that the theme seems to have incompatibilities with firefox / thunderbird (menubar corrupted) and the processor-speed gnome-panel-applet (black font). Certainly these are things you'll want to fix at a later point of time, I just wanted to point them out. Sure, thanks. The theme is work in progress. We will try to fix all bugs. I don't like the dark version (alpha6), it's too heavy / depressing. Hope it won't be considered.. Another question: are you planning to change the buttons in the metacity theme to look like the ones of the emerald one, or is the space on the window bar unsufficient ? It's also very beautiful like it is, but it would be more consistent .. Various options are under consideration for to be choose in a second time. But for this anton or francois may respond better. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Metacity
That's really nice! Good job. Could you just try to remove the shadow behind the title bar? And could you show us how the inactive windows look? Sorry, I didn't mean the shadow behind the title bar, but behind the title of the window bar -- no shadow behind the font thus. That's not the same thing! Sorry for the confusion. Also, do you think it would be possible to add a really light gradient in the light gray part of the window? Here is what I mean: http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=38875_newwavemetacity2fz2_122_381lo.jpg That makes it really better, imo. Cheers again, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Metacity
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Giuseppe Pennisi giupenni78 at gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to make a metacity theme for New Wave Theme. At moment it's my work: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity1cv1.png http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitypressedbf1.png http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity2fz2.png As a starting point I used Human Rounded Metacity. Bharat Varma wrote: very good work so far. simple and classy (in a good way). can you post a screenshot with this wallpaper [link]http://static.pici.se/pictures/nPmirAZzp.jpg Yes, here: :-) http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nwmetacity1ov7.png http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nwmetacity2pw5.png http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nwmfb2.png François Degrave wrote: That's really nice! Good job. Could you just try to remove the shadow behind the title bar? Yes, sure. Yesterday I was too drowsy. :-) And could you show us how the inactive windows look? Sure, but just for the commentary. Indeed, yesterday I don't worked over it but I have done a first draft. Today I will work in this way. http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nwmetacityinactivewindozy2.png http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nwmetacityinactivewindodf9.png We can probably begin to think about controls. We'll have to try different things, and I'll probably mock something up this week-end. We can also improve the taskbar, particularly the monochromic icons -- which are already made, but I don't have them here at work. I'm in accord with you. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Metacity
Francois Degrave wrote: That's really nice! Good job. Could you just try to remove the shadow behind the title bar? And could you show us how the inactive windows look? Sorry, I didn't mean the shadow behind the title bar, but behind the title of the window bar -- no shadow behind the font thus. That's not the same thing! Sorry for the confusion. yes, I had understood the misunderstanding. :-) Also, do you think it would be possible to add a really light gradient in the light gray part of the window? Here is what I mean: http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=38875_newwavemetacity2fz2_122_381lo.jpg That makes it really better, imo. Very Nice. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 13:24 +0530 на 08.05.2008 (чт), Bharat Varma написа: I have a suggestion for the GTK of New Wave. I do not know the technical terms, so I will try to explain as clearly as I can. (...) I have added a mockup of this change in the link below. http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2978/mynewwave1hg8borderedgtyg3.png I am not sure if GTK allows for this, but if it does it is very good to have. Bharat Varma I think that it is very good idea indeed because right now it looks unfinished. We will see what can we do with the engine to fix this. François said: We can probably begin to think about controls. We'll have to try different things, and I'll probably mock something up this week-end. We can also improve the taskbar, particularly the monochromic icons -- which are already made, but I don't have them here at work. When you can, please send me the icon set so that I could go on my work with better user experience of the future theme. I have also began with the drafts for the controls. It is definitely hard to decide what way is best for a combo to look like. And if we want them all to match somehow we have to decide on the proper form from the beginning. Who said: This is just a quick request that images, code, gtkrcs, etc end up on the wiki, rather than places like imageshack and wherever else the New Wave stuff is going I agree with that. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave Giuseppe said: I'm trying to make a metacity theme for New Wave Theme. At moment it's my work: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity1cv1.png Excellent work! I almost cannot recognize that it's metacity. The thing that bothered me was the thin 1px highlight at the left side if the titlebar. If we can continue that line in the menubar it'll be ok but right now we can't :( Anton. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton ha scritto: Giuseppe said: ?I'm trying to make a metacity theme for New Wave Theme. At moment it's my work: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity1cv1.png Excellent work! Thanks!!! I almost cannot recognize that it's metacity. This is my goal for those who can not use Emerald. The thing that bothered me was the thin 1px highlight at the left side if the titlebar. Yes, I noticed it. I will try to fix it. If we can continue that line in the menubar it'll be ok but right now we can't :( Hopefully, because the idea is very nice. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Colors
Anton wrote: Look at this image: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs27/f/2008/122/6/7/Agroprogress_by_denull.jpg When the glossiness is removed IMO is very close to the target palette we need for Ubuntu (missing some light greys though). Anton Sure, I'm totally agree. The orange palette is very nice. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Fracois wrote: I'm not against this little highlight, but I find really strange it is on the left side. Sure, it's strange. But the effect was not wanted but it was a mistake. I'm sorry, but before maybe I explained evil. :-) gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I'm not against this little highlight, but I find really strange it is on the left side. Sure, it's strange. But the effect was not wanted but it was a mistake. I'm sorry, but before maybe I explained evil. :-) gp Ok! But finally, I think I like it when it is on top (same image as before): http://img241.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=50876_newwavemetacity2fz2_122_459lo.jpg That's possible to implement? I guess yes, since it is possible to put one on the left side... If you like it too, go for it. François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I upgraded the metacity theme: - fixed the problem at the top left side of the sidebar (the thin 1px highlight); - I highlighted more the thin black board outside the window (metacity frame). - various minor fix... http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity05082008wr9.png http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity05082008fr1.png Continue I to insert attachments in this way (via ImageShak), or it is better to include them via wiki of New Wave Theme? ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave ) I continue to work on it... :-) Anton ha scritto: Hi Mikkel, Right now make builds all the themes but I want it to only build clearlooks. Can you help me with the makefile I need to build CL? Anybody else, Who ? (I attach the necessary files) Why Can you not to buil CL? I'm thinking of adding new style to CL like GUMMY or GLOSSY that will be called NEWWAVE or smth. And I planned to make a separate clearloocs_draw_newwave.xxx file to do the new style. What do you think? For what it may be worth my opinion, it's a good idea. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 21:12 +0200 на 08.05.2008 (чт), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: I upgraded the metacity theme: - fixed the problem at the top left side of the sidebar (the thin 1px highlight); - I highlighted more the thin black board outside the window (metacity frame). - various minor fix... http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity05082008wr9.png http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacity05082008fr1.png Continue I to insert attachments in this way (via ImageShak), or it is better to include them via wiki of New Wave Theme? ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave ) I continue to work on it... :-) I think you can (if François doesn't have anything against it) and I've separated place for it under 'Metacity and gtkrc' section in the wiki :). Please provide both active and inactive windows for the screenshot. They may have bugs but we will fix them, right? Only the current progress and important steps in the evolution such as 0.1, 0.2 and so on are important for the reader. Version like 0.1.2 Need not be present for the history since they are only bugfixed (my opinion) Anton ha scritto: Hi Mikkel, Right now make builds all the themes but I want it to only build clearlooks. Can you help me with the makefile I need to build CL? Anybody else, Who ? (I attach the necessary files) Why Can you not to buil CL? Sort of :) Can you help? Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 20:48 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen написа:
2008/5/6 Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
В 13:36 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
написа:
I really like your theme - especially the fact that it is
not just a
mock up :-)
Anyways, I've found a bug - if the menu bars are not exactly
24 px
high the dark bottom gradient does not align. Try setting
your panel
height to 32 px... This applies both to applications and the
Gnome
panel.
Not sure if this is even fixable in the pixmap engine (which
I suppose
you use). If we want to take this theme all the way it might
also fare
better implemented natively in Clearlooks or Murrine
engines. Should
not be rocket science to write that patch :-)
Cheers,
Mikkel
Hi,
I know about this and think that the best solution is to
implement it in
the engine. I see you do understand the basics of the theme
creation
concept so I would ask you to help me and Francois with the
engine. I
have many questions and there seem to be no manual or tutorial
that can
help me.
I simply do not have the time to do it myself. I can provide pointers
for any one interested though:
Start by checking out Murrine from Gnome svn:
svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine
Use an svn checkout to make it easier to create diffs/patches ('svn
diff mypatch.patch'). To set up a development environment use:
sudo apt-get install libcairo2-doc libgtk2.0-doc devhelp anjuta
sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine
Now you should be able to build murrine from source - Run
./autogen.sh (only needed the first time)
make
(don't do 'make install')
Now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkelKamstrupErlandsen/ThemeEngineTricks
will tell you how to create a symlink in your home dir to have the
system pick the compiled engine up (you should not have murrine
installed).
Anjuta is a nice code editor and devhelp is a documentation viewer.
Get hacking :-) Cheers,
Mikkel
Thank you Mikkel. I think I'm going to use the clearlooks engine. Can
you tell me how to separate it from the gtk-engines package at
http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gtk-engines/
and how to make it new /.configure and proper make files. I haven't done
programming in Linux very much esp. with makefiles.
And here is the current progress with New Wave's gtkrc and
compiz-fusion :
http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg
http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg
Oh , see what I've found:
Plans for Compiz in Ubuntu 8.10
Looks like Metacity is going to dead-end.
Anton
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit : Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton Hi Anton! I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions. In http://www/~fde/NewWave_suggestions.jpg , I modified the main things I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement! 1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image? 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image (Totem Video Player) is Free Sans, without any transformation. 3) I'm not sure about the transparency on the bar of the active window. Maybe we should keep it solid. 4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the application used. We should keep this). The ones at the right are nice but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to them a light gradient, to make them really part of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put an example of a simple cross). 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray line of the bottom? 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece. Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like that. 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in the initial mockup. 8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though) gray internal border. Here is what I mean: http://www/~fde/NewWaveDetail.png But that's really a detail, no? :-) Ok, that's all for the moment! I got an answer to my request in Compiz forum: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=56943#post56943 It seems they are working on a new window manager, but I fear it won't be ready soon... Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: Anton Kerezov a écrit : Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton Hi Anton! I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions. In http://www/~fde/NewWave_suggestions.jpg , I modified the main things I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement! The url redirects to www.com . Is it correct or I'm doing smth wrong? When I see the images I could comment on the rest of the email. 1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image? 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image (Totem Video Player) is Free Sans, without any transformation. 3) I'm not sure about the transparency on the bar of the active window. Maybe we should keep it solid. 4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the application used. We should keep this). The ones at the right are nice but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to them a light gradient, to make them really part of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put an example of a simple cross). 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray line of the bottom? 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece. Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like that. 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in the initial mockup. 8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though) gray internal border. Here is what I mean: http://www/~fde/NewWaveDetail.png But that's really a detail, no? :-) Ok, that's all for the moment! I got an answer to my request in Compiz forum: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=56943#post56943 It seems they are working on a new window manager, but I fear it won't be ready soon... Cheers, François Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: Anton Kerezov a écrit : Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton Hi Anton! I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions. In http://www/~fde/NewWave_suggestions.jpg , I modified the main things I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement! The url redirects to www.com . Is it correct or I'm doing smth wrong? When I see the images I could comment on the rest of the email. That's strange... Can you copy/paste the addresses in your browser? I know we have some problems with servers here today, so here are two news links: http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58872_NewWave_suggestions_122_1120lo.jpg http://img202.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59378_NewWaveDetail_122_241lo.jpg Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 10.58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:22:33 +0300 From: Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton Very Nice. I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? But this theme is only for Compiz ? gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] New Wave and other things
Hi, I'm completely new to all of this - so please give me some leeway if I say anything dumb! I like new wave - it certainly is beginning to look like a complete system. I just wondered that is looked very OSXy with Vista-type transparencies. I just mean to say it isn't very groundbreaking. Maybe this isn't the right place to ask this but with the proliferation of the glassy look and transparencies I just wondered if we should think about it all from the ground up a bit. I mean I get that inactive windows gain some translucence but why? Wouldn't it be better if we made alerts appear with a translucent background - they are not working windows but notices - so making them translucent makes them not interfere so much Also I wondered about title bars. There is more real-estate left-to- right than top-and-bottom. What if windows stacked that way and title bars were at the left (maybe the top panel and bottom panels left and right too). This would also make stacked menus expand in one direction (if you see what I mean). Are these sorts of changes possible - can I mock things like this up or is it a waste of time? Thanks! Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 15.15 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi ha scritto: Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 10.58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:22:33 +0300 From: Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton Very Nice. I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? But this theme is only for Compiz ? gp Very nice theme, but...who should I bride to have the min/max/close buttons like in the new fedora 9 theme? (Nodoka). I find it more serious/elegant gianmarco -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Scopri le tue passioni con Leonardo.it! * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7613d=7-5 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave and other things
Oliver Morgan a écrit : Hi, I'm completely new to all of this - so please give me some leeway if I say anything dumb! I like new wave - it certainly is beginning to look like a complete system. I just wondered that is looked very OSXy with Vista-type transparencies. I just mean to say it isn't very groundbreaking. Maybe this isn't the right place to ask this but with the proliferation of the glassy look and transparencies I just wondered if we should think about it all from the ground up a bit. I mean I get that inactive windows gain some translucence but why? Wouldn't it be better if we made alerts appear with a translucent background - they are not working windows but notices - so making them translucent makes them not interfere so much Also I wondered about title bars. There is more real-estate left-to- right than top-and-bottom. What if windows stacked that way and title bars were at the left (maybe the top panel and bottom panels left and right too). This would also make stacked menus expand in one direction (if you see what I mean). Are these sorts of changes possible - can I mock things like this up or is it a waste of time? Thanks! Oliver Hi Oliver! I don't really see what you mean, maybe you can mock it up. But if you want the bar to be on the left, I see two problems: 1) If the names are written vertically it becomes really annoying to read and not user friendly at all; 2) If you want the menu titles to be written horizontally on the left, you lose a huge amount of place. But maybe I have a wrong image in mind... Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 12:01 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: I tried your theme today. It is great! However, I have some suggestions. In http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58872_NewWave_suggestions_122_1120lo.jpg , I modified the main things I noticed; I don't know if it is technically possible to implement! 1) The gradient of the windows bar looks quite strange, because it is applied only in the inferior half of the bar (the menubar), not on the total width. Would it be possible to make it like on the image? Probably. I think you don't imagined what I have. Here is my concept for widows: http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65723_lAYERS_122_730lo.jpg 1. Wndows contents 2. Menu and titlebar behind 3. Background below all So if we make the entire area with gradient this feeling (for me) will disappear. :( Ok, I did not see it this way, and I'm still not sure I can :-D I see the window bar less flat, more rounded and over the rest of the window -- that makes sense since menus pop up over everything. That's a difference of view, I think we should ask others to be sure we make the right choice... 2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image (Totem Video Player) is Free Sans, without any transformation. Well I havent yet thought of fonts. If you have any idea of what may be good for title (and available in many languages) just give it to me and I will put it there. Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it? 4) The icons for closing, minimize, etc. are not bad, but I don't like the one at the left (in Metacity, this one is the icon of the application used. We should keep this). You are right. I will make it. The ones at the right are nice but we should -- maybe, not sure -- apply to them a light gradient, to make them really part of the bar. You can also try other icons (I put an example of a simple cross). Will think for that later. Lets make the engine and the other parts work together first. Ok, go on. 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray line of the bottom? The reason of this gray line is that at 1px the window cannot be resized downwards. So I made the bottom border 4px as 3 of them gray to match the titlebar. There is workaround to make them like the bg but the borderline should become darker even on unfocused windows to hide a bug in emerald. I like the old version because it is more stylish. But here we go: http://img225.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65740_NoGreyline_122_529lo.jpg Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece *and* the possibility to resize downwards. 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece. Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like that. I know what you have in mind but it can't be done. Too bad... Do you think it will be possible in the engine? I hope so, that's something that could look really nice -- independent drop shadow settings for active and inactive windows also, btw. 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in the initial mockup. It is probably possible but then my concept (as I showed in 1.)) will be lost. Ok... If that's really easy to do, could you please just try it? As you wish... 8) In the bar -- both windows bar and task bar (particularly the taskbar, in fact) --, I'd like to see a light (not too light, though) gray internal border. Here is what I mean: http://img202.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59378_NewWaveDetail_122_241lo.jpg But that's really a detail, no? :-) Taskbar: Right now this is not possible (widgets overlap the line) but we can possibly implement it in the engine. Titlebar: If we want that menu to be dark too there is no way of doing this now, thus the rest depends on the engine. In it these effects can be done (at least I think so). I'll be patient! In any case, I think you're doing a great job. Carry on, I'm sure you could reach a real killer-theme. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Gianmarco Leone a écrit : Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 15.15 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi ha scritto: Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 10.58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:22:33 +0300 From: Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton Very Nice. I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? But this theme is only for Compiz ? gp Very nice theme, but...who should I bride to have the min/max/close buttons like in the new fedora 9 theme? (Nodoka). I find it more serious/elegant Do you have a link where we can see them? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hi, A quick note about engine limitation. Don't forget we'll have 2 years to get this theme perfect, for the next LTS. Until that, you can get compromise to get things for the other short term support releases. But don't hesitate to push ideas upstream in engine, even if that's not included yet for the next STS. :) I actually would like to see a theme growing during two years long in order to get a *very* professionnal theme for Ubuntu. If Ubuntu pushes things upword to extends engines capabilities, this just mean that Ubuntu is the leading distro, as it should be :) Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anto ha scritto: ?Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: ?Very Nice. I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? But this theme is only for Compiz ? gp I attach the theme pack with all necessary files to make your PC look like the one at the screenshots. Thanks!!! I confirm that for me it's the best way to develop the future Ubuntu theme. Not only for compiz but uses it if you have it (compiz comes preinstalled on Ubuntu 7.04, 7.10 and 8.04 LTS). So don't worry about that. You will also need to use emerald. If it is not started you can run it by typing that in a terminal window or in the run dialog (Alt +F2, that is better): Yes. My question was not this but if, or how to use Emerald. But my question was if the same theme can be applied without Emerald. I noted that the NewWave window decoration can be applied only with Emerald because is not present the same decoration for Metacity. Without the Emerald window decoration the theme is not exactly the same thing. A good idea can be to make a Metacity theme similar to Emerald. gp ps: sorry for my non good English. :-) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
2) The font with a shadow in the bar looks very outdated. I suggest we use a font without a shadow. The one you see in this image (Totem Video Player) is Free Sans, without any transformation. Well I havent yet thought of fonts. If you have any idea of what may be good for title (and available in many languages) just give it to me and I will put it there. Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it? I've done it and it looks blurrier compared to other sans fonts. 5) Could it be possible to make the down corners as round as the top ones? Also, could you let me see how it looks without the thin dark gray line of the bottom? The reason of this gray line is that at 1px the window cannot be resized downwards. So I made the bottom border 4px as 3 of them gray to match the titlebar. There is workaround to make them like the bg but the borderline should become darker even on unfocused windows to hide a bug in emerald. I like the old version because it is more stylish. But here we go: http://img225.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65740_NoGreyline_122_529lo.jpg Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece *and* the possibility to resize downwards. I don't understand what you mean. Isn't it like the link above? In it you can see the Liberation fonts in use for titlebars. 6) Still the thing about not active windows... Too bad we cannot make the top bar/menu bar really flat, the whole window in the same piece. Inactive windows of the current default theme of Ubuntu look a bit like that. I know what you have in mind but it can't be done. Too bad... Do you think it will be possible in the engine? I hope so, that's something that could look really nice -- independent drop shadow settings for active and inactive windows also, btw. Don't know if the engine has access to such an information as active/inactive windows. If it has it is possible. Anyone knows that? 7) Don't know if it is possible but it would be great if we could also apply a really light gradient on the entire light gray window, like in the initial mockup. It is probably possible but then my concept (as I showed in 1.)) will be lost. Ok... If that's really easy to do, could you please just try it? As you wish... About the understanding of my concept imagine that the menubar and titlebar are background(bg) and the rest of the window is foreground(fg). Thus the fg is dropping shadow on the bg and that is why the gradient look like that. Here's the test you requested: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg But this confg made me think that I can grab the window by the menubar and move it. That certainly is not possible :D Oh, btw - Nodoka screenshot: http://i.n.com.com/i/ne/p/2007/Nodoka-look-feel-550x344.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 17:26 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Anto ha scritto: ?Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: ?Very Nice. I think that it's the right way to make the new theme for Intrepid. If I want to try the theme, where can I download it? But this theme is only for Compiz ? gp I attach the theme pack with all necessary files to make your PC look like the one at the screenshots. Thanks!!! I confirm that for me it's the best way to develop the future Ubuntu theme. Not only for compiz but uses it if you have it (compiz comes preinstalled on Ubuntu 7.04, 7.10 and 8.04 LTS). So don't worry about that. You will also need to use emerald. If it is not started you can run it by typing that in a terminal window or in the run dialog (Alt +F2, that is better): Yes. My question was not this but if, or how to use Emerald. But my question was if the same theme can be applied without Emerald. I noted that the NewWave window decoration can be applied only with Emerald because is not present the same decoration for Metacity. Without the Emerald window decoration the theme is not exactly the same thing. A good idea can be to make a Metacity theme similar to Emerald. gp ps: sorry for my non good English. :-) Hi gp, Sorry for the explanation. Right now we are interested in new software as metacity is slowly loosing ground (my opinion). If you know how to make a metacity theme - you are welcomed to do it and show it to us (the mailing list). Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Did you try with FreeSans in size 11 (btw, is it available in many alphabets?). And is it possible to remove the ugly shadow behind it? I've done it and it looks blurrier compared to other sans fonts. Ok, no problem. Liberation looks not bad. Ok, maybe it is possible to make the 4px bar the same color than the rest of the window -- this, we would have both the windows in one piece *and* the possibility to resize downwards. I don't understand what you mean. Isn't it like the link above? In it you can see the Liberation fonts in use for titlebars. I mean: could it be possible to keep the bottom border 4px large, but make it invisible by giving it the same color than the rest just over it? About the understanding of my concept imagine that the menubar and titlebar are background(bg) and the rest of the window is foreground(fg). Thus the fg is dropping shadow on the bg and that is why the gradient look like that. Here's the test you requested: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg That looks so nice to me - so does the title font! I love it. What a pity you don't like it as well... But maybe I'm wrong, I think we should definitely ask others what they think about it. Nice work anyway! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Yes. My question was not this but if, or how to use Emerald. But my question was if the same theme can be applied without Emerald. I noted that the NewWave window decoration can be applied only with Emerald because is not present the same decoration for Metacity. Without the Emerald window decoration the theme is not exactly the same thing. A good idea can be to make a Metacity theme similar to Emerald. gp ps: sorry for my non good English. :-) Hi gp, Sorry for the explanation. Right now we are interested in new software as metacity is slowly loosing ground (my opinion). Sure, I'm totally in accord with you. It's also my opinion. But I think that many people can't still use Compiz for the hardware compatibly problem that everyone know. If you know how to make a metacity theme - you are welcomed to do it and show it to us (the mailing list). Yes, ok, I will try to make a Metacity theme. :-) Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Yes, ok, I will try to make a Metacity theme. :-) Nice! Good idea. Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? That looks a bit strange, because it removes the feeling you can actually touch the windows, that it is made of something real. Here it just looks like squares coloured with gradient. Anton has a strong 3D image in mind of what a window is -- or was if it existed in the real world --, and I have my own, but I really can't imagine how would those windows look like in the real world. However that's only my personal opinion! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? Or it: http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1hg8.png http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2uw1.png gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Hello everyone, As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the New Wave theme to go on: Either this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) that is closer to: http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 Or that way: http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered view: http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 19:53 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), Giuseppe Pennisi написа: Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? Or it: http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1hg8.png http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2uw1.png gp Sorry to disappoint you but I've been trough this type of gradients and it is very confusing to use. So I made use of compiz Trailfocus plugin. As for the line between toolbar and other content I tried that too and it just doesn't feels right without it. I think we will be able to implement better line (fading at its ends) when we start the work on the engine. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
I like the darker theme better, but it may look too hardcore and be tiring for casual users. Tough pick. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the New Wave theme to go on: Either this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) that is closer to: http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 Or that way: http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered view: http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Sincerely Yours Nicholas Ipsen -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Anton Kerezov a écrit : Hello everyone, As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the New Wave theme to go on: Either this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) that is closer to: http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 Or that way: http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered view: http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg Anton Please don't forget that if the engine enables separation between active/inactive window borders - as does Metacity -, the theme look something like that: http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89174_NewWave_Dark_n_Light_122_859lo.jpg That would make things far less aggressive! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
В 21:42 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: Anton Kerezov a écrit : Hello everyone, As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the New Wave theme to go on: Either this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) that is closer to: http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 Or that way: http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered view: http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg Anton Please don't forget that if the engine enables separation between active/inactive window borders - as does Metacity -, the theme look something like that: http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89174_NewWave_Dark_n_Light_122_859lo.jpg That would make things far less aggressive! Cheers, François I think we should develop the widgets' themeing and then offer the theme in these two variants. Thus everybody will enjoy the thing he likes more. Besides we can always make the darker - lighter :) Everybody: you can still express opinion on the topic. The poll is not over. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I think the theme is starting to look really good, but Firefox integration really needs some work: http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e68b7655a7.png As it is now, the menu bar is damn ugly, and pretty much useless. I realise this isn't high priority, but it shouldn't be too hard to fix. -- Sincerely Yours Nicholas Ipsen -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
IMHO this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg and http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 . It has a very professional look, while keeping the orange. Its more solid than option B. -- José Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 21:42 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), François Degrave написа: Anton Kerezov a écrit : Hello everyone, As you may have read François and I are wondering what direction the New Wave theme to go on: Either this way: http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=74539_NewWave_test_07_122_995lo.jpg (the taskbar should be one idea lighter, I think) that is closer to: http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-Dark-67903127 Or that way: http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53445_NewWave_test_06.1_122_211lo.jpg This one allows you to see my Idea of having content drop shadow on the menubar and it further drops shadow on the taskbar resulting in layered view: http://img185.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53446_NewWave_test_06.2_122_383lo.jpg Anton Please don't forget that if the engine enables separation between active/inactive window borders - as does Metacity -, the theme look something like that: http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89174_NewWave_Dark_n_Light_122_859lo.jpg That would make things far less aggressive! Cheers, François I think we should develop the widgets' themeing and then offer the theme in these two variants. Thus everybody will enjoy the thing he likes more. Besides we can always make the darker - lighter :) Everybody: you can still express opinion on the topic. The poll is not over. Anton Really good idea. If we can still easily have both, let's do it! It will be easier to judge with the final result. Cheers again, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Hi, About orange. You should keep some brown in it or won't be included as default. Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
Étienne Bersac wrote: Hi, About orange. You should keep some brown in it or won't be included as default. Don't worry about default. Just create. Or, maybe it would be better to say: You should keep some brown in it or won't be considered for default. :) -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Il giorno mer, 07/05/2008 alle 20.43 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ? 19:53 +0200 ?? 07.05.2008 (??), Giuseppe Pennisi ??: Back to speak of the NewWave Theme, I tried to invert the gradient in the window decorator + menubar and remove separator from ToolBar. http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1cc9.png http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2ww6.png What you think of it? Or it: http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave1hg8.png http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mynewwave2uw1.png gp Sorry to disappoint you but I've been trough this type of gradients and it is very confusing to use. Yes, it's true. Actually using it I have noticed that it is confusing to use. You are wise. :-) So I made use of compiz Trailfocus plugin. As for the line between toolbar and other content I tried that too and it just doesn't feels right without it. I think we will be able to implement better line (fading at its ends) when we start the work on the engine. Hi, ok. I understand. gp ps: I started to try to create a theme for metacity. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave Poll
В 22:14 +0200 на 07.05.2008 (ср), Étienne Bersac написа: Hi, About orange. You should keep some brown in it or won't be included as default. Regards, Étienne. Who said the titlebars should be brown? I think that if we have the proper orange accents here and there it would be much better than an eye-strain orange line at the top of each window. Some inspiration: http://img227.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92144__Africa1_122_432lo.jpg http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92148_Africa2_122_1075lo.jpg http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92153_Africa3_122_641lo.jpg Julian said: i'd like to see an implementation as-close-as-possible to what was in Francois' original New Wave mockup (min/max/close titlebar icons included!) and take it from there with adaptations where necessary (ideally after testing it).. I've made one but it is not as good as expected: http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93045_experimental_122_630lo.jpg Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 16:27 +0200 на 05.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Just an idea: do you think it would be possible to put a shadow only under the active window? That would make it really different from the others, on top of everything (like when you pick a paper among a big bunch of papers on your desk, and lift it up to read it). I think that at the moment Emerald does not support shadows separation for active/inactive windows but as pretty much everything else is separated I think we can ask the devs to implement it if possible. I posted a feature request for that on the compiz-fusion forum. Hopefully someone will answer it... Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 10:24 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), François Degrave написа: I posted a feature request for that on the compiz-fusion forum. Hopefully someone will answer it... Cheers, François Great. Btw did you received my attachments (the theme and the decorator theme), François? If yes how do they feel? Do you like the merged menubar and titlebar? I'm asking because I should know in what direction we should head up. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I really like your theme - especially the fact that it is not just a mock up :-) Anyways, I've found a bug - if the menu bars are not exactly 24 px high the dark bottom gradient does not align. Try setting your panel height to 32 px... This applies both to applications and the Gnome panel. Not sure if this is even fixable in the pixmap engine (which I suppose you use). If we want to take this theme all the way it might also fare better implemented natively in Clearlooks or Murrine engines. Should not be rocket science to write that patch :-) Cheers, Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 13:36 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen написа: I really like your theme - especially the fact that it is not just a mock up :-) Anyways, I've found a bug - if the menu bars are not exactly 24 px high the dark bottom gradient does not align. Try setting your panel height to 32 px... This applies both to applications and the Gnome panel. Not sure if this is even fixable in the pixmap engine (which I suppose you use). If we want to take this theme all the way it might also fare better implemented natively in Clearlooks or Murrine engines. Should not be rocket science to write that patch :-) Cheers, Mikkel Hi, I know about this and think that the best solution is to implement it in the engine. I see you do understand the basics of the theme creation concept so I would ask you to help me and Francois with the engine. I have many questions and there seem to be no manual or tutorial that can help me. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hi I finally figured out how to implement the unfocused windows. I actually did not implement anything it was all there in Compiz-Fusion, a plug-in called trailfocus. The results were quite good for me and I think that we made another step up to out target image in the wiki. Preview: http://img238.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97606_NewWave_test_05_122_454lo.jpg The plug-in though has to be polished a bit but I think right know is pretty good. Any comments? Cheers, Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
2008/5/6 Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
В 13:36 +0200 на 06.05.2008 (вт), Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen написа:
I really like your theme - especially the fact that it is not just a
mock up :-)
Anyways, I've found a bug - if the menu bars are not exactly 24 px
high the dark bottom gradient does not align. Try setting your panel
height to 32 px... This applies both to applications and the Gnome
panel.
Not sure if this is even fixable in the pixmap engine (which I suppose
you use). If we want to take this theme all the way it might also fare
better implemented natively in Clearlooks or Murrine engines. Should
not be rocket science to write that patch :-)
Cheers,
Mikkel
Hi,
I know about this and think that the best solution is to implement it in
the engine. I see you do understand the basics of the theme creation
concept so I would ask you to help me and Francois with the engine. I
have many questions and there seem to be no manual or tutorial that can
help me.
I simply do not have the time to do it myself. I can provide pointers for
any one interested though:
Start by checking out Murrine from Gnome svn:
svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine
Use an svn checkout to make it easier to create diffs/patches ('svn diff
mypatch.patch'). To set up a development environment use:
sudo apt-get install libcairo2-doc libgtk2.0-doc devhelp anjuta
sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine
Now you should be able to build murrine from source - Run
./autogen.sh (only needed the first time)
make
(don't do 'make install')
Now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkelKamstrupErlandsen/ThemeEngineTricks will
tell you how to create a symlink in your home dir to have the system pick
the compiled engine up (you should not have murrine installed).
Anjuta is a nice code editor and devhelp is a documentation viewer.
Get hacking :-) Cheers,
Mikkel
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Why fg/bg[ACTIVE] doesn't work for the menubar? Is it the engine's fault? I mean ... can I color the File menu element on the titlebar in gray just like the main menu? I think Who can help? I don't know - probably, but it _could_ be an engine bug. It would likely be a case of applying the style to the right class. Check that the style you want is being applied by making some obvious change like red tect - if that works for the text in the right place, it is an engine bug, if it doesn't it could still be an engine bug but it could also mean you haven't applied the style to the right elements. What version of the theme do you like more? The darker with thinner borders or the greyish with bigger borders? I think I like the thinner titlebars, b ut I also prefer the way the unfocussed windows look to the focussed ones. (ie with integrated menubar and titlebar) Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Hello everyone, I've made a newer version of New Wave that has darker taskbar and window handlers. I've also added a small gradient for the menubars so that they look as if they are in the back. Also changed border thickness and color esp. for François. To be honest I liked better the old one. old: http://img180.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=33720_NewWave_test_02_122_484lo.jpg new: http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88676_NewWave_test_03_122_1054lo.jpg 2. Why fg/bg[ACTIVE] doesn't work for the menubar? Is it the engine's fault? I mean ... can I color the File menu element on the titlebar in gray just like the main menu? I think Who can help? What version of the theme do you like more? The darker with thinner borders or the greyish with bigger borders? Anton Wow, nice work, Anton! This theme looks excellent. I also prefer the smaller borders because of how much diversity there is inside the windows; it would be difficult to find one particular border colour to suit without the things feeling like cages. It works quite well here since the theme doesn't beg for rounded corners; it looks really sharp, and the square corners add to it. I think hiding the title for unfocused windows can hurt functionality, though, undoubtedly causing some displeased users. I also love the way you have the menu blend with the title bar for unfocused windows, as well as that little shadow underneath. For a half second, I was slightly sceptical of having the blended menu bar only for unfocused windows, but I think I like it that way now because of how it helps to break up the content. There are a surprising many users who simply ignore menus, so this should bring them to their attention. This also should fix a lot of the ugliness problems that occur when windows have numerous rows of toolbars... That, and I like how content looks really diverse and bright this way, as opposed to the drab and boring effect we often get when everything is the same colour... Bye, -Dylan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
I've made a newer version of New Wave that has darker taskbar and window handlers. I've also added a small gradient for the menubars so that they look as if they are in the back. Also changed border thickness and color esp. for François. To be honest I liked better the old one. old: http://img180.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=33720_NewWave_test_02_122_484lo.jpg new: http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88676_NewWave_test_03_122_1054lo.jpg 2. Why fg/bg[ACTIVE] doesn't work for the menubar? Is it the engine's fault? I mean ... can I color the File menu element on the titlebar in gray just like the main menu? I think Who can help? What version of the theme do you like more? The darker with thinner borders or the greyish with bigger borders? Anton Hi Anton! Nice work, this new version begins to have a nice look! Just an idea: do you think it would be possible to put a shadow only under the active window? That would make it really different from the others, on top of everything (like when you pick a paper among a big bunch of papers on your desk, and lift it up to read it). I don't like the color for the selected element in the menu - a lil' too pink for me - but I don't have any other idea yet... Also, I find the top bar merged with the menubar on inactive windows quite classy. Do you think we could give it a try for active windows? And then we could try making inactive windows as neutral as possible -- i.e. like they didn't have any volume -- with the menubar, the topbar and the rest of the window all attached together with the same color (a bit like on the mockup I made, but with the menubar in addition). To go into details, it could also be nice to make the thin line around inactive windows a little less black, more gray. That's all for the moment! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Also, I find the top bar merged with the menubar on inactive windows quite classy. Do you think we could give it a try for active windows? Would having a flat title bar help ? In my mind, I was thinking a gilouche sort of a title bar with very minor rounded corners in the exact color as the emerald decorator is right now for the active windows. Or may a black to gray gradient shift (top to bottom direction) instead of the existing gray to black. That would bring the colors of the active title bar closer to the menu bar, retaining the differentiation between menu and title bars at the same time. I also prefer the panel bar from the first screenshot. I prefer the presence of a thin black strip at the bottom of the top panel (or may be it was just shadow). And then we could try making inactive windows as neutral as possible -- i.e. like they didn't have any volume -- with the menubar, the topbar and the rest of the window all attached together with the same color (a bit like on the mockup I made, but with the menubar in addition). To go into details, it could also be nice to make the thin line around inactive windows a little less black, more gray. That's all for the moment! Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- d-_-b -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
В 16:27 +0200 на 05.05.2008 (пн), François Degrave написа: Just an idea: do you think it would be possible to put a shadow only under the active window? That would make it really different from the others, on top of everything (like when you pick a paper among a big bunch of papers on your desk, and lift it up to read it). I think that at the moment Emerald does not support shadows separation for active/inactive windows but as pretty much everything else is separated I think we can ask the devs to implement it if possible. I don't like the color for the selected element in the menu - a lil' too pink for me - but I don't have any other idea yet... I don't like it too :) I'm trying to get the main menu style of grey highlight in the menubar and coloured menus but so far with no success. Also, I find the top bar merged with the menubar on inactive windows quite classy. Do you think we could give it a try for active windows? Yes. Working on it. And then we could try making inactive windows as neutral as possible -- i.e. like they didn't have any volume -- with the menubar, the topbar and the rest of the window all attached together with the same color (a bit like on the mockup I made, but with the menubar in addition). That will be harder, because when the menu is drawn in only one way in gtk+ so there is no separation between avtive/inactive windows. To go into details, it could also be nice to make the thin line around inactive windows a little less black, more gray. Sure. В 20:19 +0530 на 05.05.2008 (пн), Bharat Varma написа: Would having a flat title bar help ? In my mind, I was thinking a gilouche sort of a title bar with very minor rounded corners in the exact color as the emerald decorator is right now for the active windows. Or may a black to gray gradient shift (top to bottom direction) instead of the existing gray to black. That would bring the colors of the active title bar closer to the menu bar, retaining the differentiation between menu and title bars at the same time. Good idea! Coming soon :) I also prefer the panel bar from the first screenshot. I prefer the presence of a thin black strip at the bottom of the top panel (or may be it was just shadow). The panel in the first version has 1px more from the left and right (x/y) and thus bigger shadow. I prefer it bigger too but as most of the PCs are laptops with small screens we should make it small. After all it easy to change so don't worry about this. Best regards, Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
