Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
I'm out of the office until 1st August. On 29 Apr 2011, at 09:37, Greg Auger <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I've reported two new bugs: > Unity at Bug #773037 > Nautilus at Bug #773039 > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are a member of > Papercutters, which is subscribed to One Hundred Paper Cuts. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > Title: > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation > > Status in The Gnome Panel Applets: > Fix Released > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: > Expired > Status in Gnome Documentation Project: > Expired > Status in GVFS: > Fix Released > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: > Fix Released > Status in Nautilus: > Fix Released > Status in Ubuntu Manual: > Fix Committed > Status in Ubuntu Translations: > Fix Released > Status in “gnome-applets” package in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in “transmission” package in Ubuntu: > Invalid > Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: > Invalid > > Bug description: > # > This bug has been fixed and closed. > - > If you find more applications where the Trash has not been renamed > to Rubbish bin, in en_GB, > Kindly refrain from adding the bug task here. > > Instead, open NEW bug reports(With a mention of this bug number). > > # > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to > as > both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted > Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items > is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. > An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix > simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin"! > - -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 Title: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-applets/+bug/406626/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: ubuntu-manual Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 Title: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
I've reported two new bugs: Unity at Bug #773037 Nautilus at Bug #773039 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 Title: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: gnome-user-docs Status: Incomplete => Expired ** Changed in: gnome-common Status: Incomplete => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 Title: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Unity is already tracked in Bug #646669 . Transmission is Bug #653529 ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid ** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Invalid ** Description changed: + # + This bug has been fixed and closed. + - + If you find more applications where the Trash has not been renamed to Rubbish bin, in en_GB, + Kindly refrain from adding the bug task here. + + Instead, open NEW bug reports(With a mention of this bug number). + + # + The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. - from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin"! - -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
El dt 30 de 11 de 2010 a les 17:24 +, en/na David Stansby va escriure: > Added unity to the list. When you hover over the wastebucket icon in the > left hand corner, it says "Trash" > > ** Also affects: unity (Ubuntu) >Importance: Undecided >Status: New > Note that if we're talking about Unity in Natty, I believe that this simply because the Trash icon is either not translatable or not yet translated (Natty translations are not yet open, and the first language packs will be released around Alpha 1) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Added unity to the list. When you hover over the wastebucket icon in the left hand corner, it says "Trash" ** Also affects: unity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Fixed as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/653529 ** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Fix Committed -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
El dg 10 de 10 de 2010 a les 14:08 +, en/na melat0nin va escriure: > This bug isn't entirely fixed - the tooltip for Rubbish Bin in the > Nautilus sidebar still says 'Open the wastebasket'. > We've dealt with the bulk of Wastebasket/Deleted Items translations now. Apart from the ones from Unity (fix committed) and transmission (separate bug, a step away from being fixed), there hasn't been any other report of inconsistencies. That particular string in Nautilus was fixed already, but a couple of days after the language pack deadline, thus it didn't make it to the final language packs: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=open+the+wastebasket The fix should be visible in the next language pack updates in a couple of weeks. I've attached a text file with other places where "Wastebasket" is still present in the system. You might want to change those too. You can find the strings in Launchpad using the same URL pattern as above. Here it is: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/$SOURCEPACKAGE/+pots/$TEMPLATE/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=open+the+wastebasket Often $SOURCEPACKAGE and $TEMPLATE are the same. If not, you can go to the source package translations page, look at the templates and simply click on them to go there. Note that some will be false positives and will already have been fixed, like the ones in Nautilus. I hope this helps. ** Attachment added: "Wastebasket" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626/+attachment/1696407/+files/Wastebasket -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Closing Transmission task, as Bug #653529 has been un-duped and is tracked separately now. ** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Invalid ** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) => (unassigned) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Re-closing this ticket to avoid metabugs, and reopening bug #653529 ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Triaged => Fix Released -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
charles, It was marked fixed because the initial bug which was the issue here was fixed. The transmission task was added only 2weeks ago. It is better to file new bug rather than creating metabugs. If such metabugs are OK for the translations team, This bug will probably take a while to fix, since "Trash" is a very common occurrence and every application in the main/universe can keep re-opening this bug and spamming everyone. See similar bug for Unity and Trash > Bug #646669 . -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Reopening this ticket for ubuntu-translations to ask for confirmation this is resolved for Transmission? Transmission's still listed on this ticket as "triaged" rather than "fix committed" or "fix released". ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Fix Released => Triaged -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
There was also a reference to Deleted Items in the Unity sidebar in UNE, but I've corrected it now. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
This bug isn't entirely fixed - the tooltip for Rubbish Bin in the Nautilus sidebar still says 'Open the wastebasket'. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Hi everyone, Thanks to everyone participating in the discussions and applying the fixes, the original bug about inconsistent naming is now fixed. Good work! For any remaining issues such as the need to add an article to the actions related to the Rubbish Bin, I'd recommend using the British translators mailing list, which is a more appropriate forum for such discussions. Once agreement has been reached, you can modify the strings in Launchpad if necessary, and they will be picked up in the next round of stable release language pack updates, a few weeks after release. Thanks! -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Hi guys, Please stick to the HIG with this. Deviating from it will introduce ambiguities when translating the documentation. I should also point out that this isn't a localisation issue, it's a stylistic one. We have this "terse" style in UK English too (newspaper headlines use something similar, for example), and it's perfectly acceptable. It's OK for action labels, like those on buttons or in pop-up menus, to sound disjointed. They're not full sentences; rather they're "headings", so there's no need for them to flow. The role of an action label is to quickly identify a function, not to convey meaning, so there's no need for the wording to sound pleasant. This would be different if we were talking about (e.g.) the explanatory text in a dialog box, though. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
OK, I think my reference to the gnome HIG is a bit unfair over this issue :-) [maybe a side-effect of replying at 3am on a Sat night :p ] Because HIG is basically how the _default_ language style needs to be written in Gnome UI and the default language is US English. So everything else is just based accordingly there. As popey mentioned, the translations need to adapt to the locale. The local translators need to decide which sounds more apt for their locale and they weigh in on the benefits. My non-locale view on this is that, this change *is* bringing in new inconsistent to the items from the rest of the system menus. However, the UK translators/users might find this an absolutely necessary change to make. If so, this needs to be done elsewhere too, to maintain a consistent UI. Kindly make the necessary changes elsewhere too. Mostly, everwhere in HIG there is a reference of keeping labels short and for clear, consistent and concise labelling. http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/language-labels.html.en http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en Find Next, Find Previous , From FIle... , Add Bookmark , Edit Bookmarks , need to be changed More items listed at : http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-design.html.en http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/stable/menu-terminology.html.en http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus.html.en This bug is about the inconsistent naming of wastebasket and Deleted items, and was fixed when popey confirmed with screenshot in comment #90, beyond which we have piggy-backed on this bug with another issue. Marking this bug as fixed, while the change to add "the/a/an" can be discussed in a new a bug for all menu items. Thanks everyone for getting this fixed! :-) ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released ** Changed in: gnome-applets Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released ** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released ** Changed in: gvfs Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released ** Changed in: nautilus Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Triaged => Fix Released -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
The problem is that, "Sent to Rubbish Bin" and "Empty Rubbish Bin" sound disjointed and robotic. It's not fair to compare it to "trash" because Trash is what what goes in the bin (e.g. Empty Rubbish sounds OK). Empty Rubbish Bin is understandable, it's just ugly. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
To be fair I think the inconsistency with the "the" came about when I was translating all of the original texts to Rubbish bin I kept a "the" when it was a wordy text such "Do you wish to send this to the Rubbish Bin" where as if it was an action/command "Send to Rubbish Bin" I missed out the "the". Could be my East London dialect that makes that sound OK without the "the"? I guess this means I aggree with Vish as he is talking mainly of the menu items (i.e. actions/commands). Michael -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
I concur with Vish: for menu items, the determiner 'the' should typically be omitted. Here's a list of standard menus and menu items: http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en None of the menu items listed contain determiners. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
I would suggest *against* adding "the" for this. Menu items are not about forming grammatically correct complete sentences. HIG specifies not to overuse these http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp- style-guide/stable/grammar.html.en Also, no other menu items use "the"/"a" unnecessarily. Eg: nautilus File menu > is Create Folder , Create Document. and everywhere else in all applications it is the same pattern. Adding "the" here would mean bringing in a new inconsistency. But, if the British think they invented English, then... Oh! wait! :-) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
@popey & @Kazade, Hi, I've reviewed and 'saved' you're suggestions, they are correct as far as en_gb is concerned, if there are any other instances where you find this please let us know! cheers Ricey -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Status: New => Triaged -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Also affects: transmission (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
@vish, because it's grammatically correct ;) In the same way that we use:- "write to me" where US English uses "write me". -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
In US english it is "Open Trash" and "Empty Trash" , there is no "the" , why does UK English need extra "the" ? -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
I've added suggested translations in Launchpad including the missing "the" in gnome-applets and there is already an existing one in Nautilus (for the button that appears when you view the rubbish bin). I don't have magic translation review powers so I can only suggest the change, can someone go in and review it? -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
However whilst consistent, the previous wording on the applet was:- "Open the Wastebasket" -> "Open Rubbish Bin" "Empty the Deleted Items folder" -> "Empty Rubbish Bin" Seems we've lost the "the". -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Looking nicely consistent now - see screenshot. Thanks everyone. ** Attachment added: "rubbish.png" https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/406626/+attachment/1666047/+files/rubbish.png -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Thanks David for the update and thanks to everyone who has worked on this! Hope we have caught every translation and that the updates come through soon :). -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: Ubuntu Documentation Project Team (ubuntu-doc) => (unassigned) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
El dv 01 de 10 de 2010 a les 08:27 +, en/na Kazade va escriure: > Just a follow up to my previous comment, both the strings are translated > in launchpad, just not yet packaged in gnome-applets. > We're starting to build the final language packs today, so they should be there in a few days and include all the new translations. If after you've updated to the latest language packs you still see any remaining Deleted Items or Wastebasket instances, please report back and let's investigate where they come from. Thanks! -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Just a follow up to my previous comment, both the strings are translated in launchpad, just not yet packaged in gnome-applets. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Also, the two menu entries that appear when right-clicking the Rubbish Bin applet still show "Wastebasket" and "Deleted Items" (see Alan's comment #82) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
OK, I just emptied the Rubbish Bin and a confirmation window popped up and asked me if I really wanted to empty the Trash. So, there are obviously some strings still hiding. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Package changed: ubuntu => gnome-applets (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Committed -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Yes it has been changed in the source package (gnome-applets) translations here https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/gnome- applets/+pots/gnome- applets-2.0/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=wastebasket . Does this need to be updated anywhere else to become an update within Ubuntu? -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
@Michael Fallows: Could you check/correct the two menu items for the trash-applet that Alan has pointed out? -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Looks like there is still two inconsistencies. Nautilus uses trash:// as the uri to the Rubbish Bin. Okay, accept that this is unlikely to be easily changeable in the same way that one wouldn't change /home to /дома or whatever. However the applet at the bottom of the screen still has two entirely different names for Rubbish Bin. See screenshot, bottom right. ** Attachment added: "Screenshot.png" https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/406626/+attachment/1610745/+files/Screenshot.png -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: gnome-user-docs Status: Unknown => Incomplete ** Changed in: gnome-user-docs Importance: Unknown => Medium ** Changed in: gnome-common Importance: Unknown => Medium -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Also affects: ubuntu-manual Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-manual Status: New => Fix Committed ** Changed in: ubuntu-manual Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Sorry just for clarification by user guide I meant the Gnome Documentation that is found in Ubuntu -> System -> Help and Support. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
In the user guide (within "Using Trash", "Moving a File or Folder to Trash" and possibly more) need to be changed to using the new Rubbish Bin wording rather then trash. ** Also affects: gnome-user-docs via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612232 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Michael Fallows ,Nice work!. Thanks for getting the fix committed. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged => Fix Committed -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Translations changed to "Rubbish Bin" ** Changed in: gnome-applets Status: New => Fix Committed ** Changed in: gnome-applets Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) ** Changed in: gvfs Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) ** Changed in: gvfs Status: New => Fix Committed -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
Updated gfvs and gnome-applets en-GB translations to "Rubbish Bin" also. ** Also affects: gvfs Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: gnome-applets via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612232 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gnome-applets Importance: Unknown => Undecided ** Changed in: gnome-applets Status: Unknown => New ** Changed in: gnome-applets Remote watch: GNOME Bug Tracker #612232 => None -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: nautilus Status: In Progress => Fix Committed -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Changed in: nautilus Status: New => In Progress -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
** Summary changed: - Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization + Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hello again, I will (if it is OK with the mass consensus, don't want to upset the group!) rename all wastebasket, deleted items etc to "Rubbish Bin" tomorrow (I guess it is tomorrow (I need sleep!)) or Monday on the Nautilus package even if its just a "it will do for now" fix? Michael -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Also affects: nautilus Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: nautilus Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hey all! I feel happy with "(the) rubbish bin". I have a small confesion.. about an hour ago changed all the wastebasket entries in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=wastebasket that were using the term wastebasket to the term "Deleted Items (Folder)" before I saw this bug (sorry :( ). I noticed the bug in 10.04 and stupidly forgot to search the bugs!! Michael -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Changed in: gnome-common Status: Unknown => Incomplete -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Also affects: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators (ubuntu-l10n-en-gb) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 14:05 +, David Planella wrote: > If we all agree in the terminology though, and a) the change cannot be > adopted upstream for GNOME 2.32 due to lack of time; b) there are people > in Ubuntu willing to work on this, I'd can see no trouble in adopting a > pragmatic approach and do the change in Ubuntu first. The same Ubuntu > translators might then want to help forwarding these changes upstream. > I'm not a member of the UK team, I'd like to see this sorted as much as > anyone else, and being both an Ubuntu and GNOME translator, I'd be glad > to offer my help in exporting the changes from Ubuntu and commiting them > in git. The en_GB translations haven't actually started yet for GNOME 2.32, so there would be no problem with getting this done, as long as the other members of the team agreed of course. > > The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely > for themselves, but that's a different matter. > > Yes, I'd suggest discussing this as a separate topic, and I think the > Ubuntu Translators maililng list > (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/) would be the best place > for that. You can also find more information on Ubuntu and upstream > translations here: No point in discussing this, sorry I mentioned it. -- Bruce Cowan -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi Bruce, > Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration. I believe the best way to achieve collaboration is communication. As a representative of upstream, you've been participating in this discussion all along, so I'd say we've all done a good job. Phil (who incidentally is also upstream, albeit for gnome docs) has taken the lead in processing the feedback and proposing a way forward for an issue that has been in the stage of discussion and blocking the work of several teams for the past year. You were saying that if anything was decided you could probably get this fixed for GNOME 2.32. That's precisely what's happened, a final proposal has been put forward, no translations have yet been changed in Ubuntu as far as I know. If we all agree in the terminology though, and a) the change cannot be adopted upstream for GNOME 2.32 due to lack of time; b) there are people in Ubuntu willing to work on this, I'd can see no trouble in adopting a pragmatic approach and do the change in Ubuntu first. The same Ubuntu translators might then want to help forwarding these changes upstream. I'm not a member of the UK team, I'd like to see this sorted as much as anyone else, and being both an Ubuntu and GNOME translator, I'd be glad to offer my help in exporting the changes from Ubuntu and commiting them in git. > The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely for themselves, but that's a different matter. Yes, I'd suggest discussing this as a separate topic, and I think the Ubuntu Translators maililng list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/) would be the best place for that. You can also find more information on Ubuntu and upstream translations here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Bin is great for me, I am from finland and it sounds good for me, I am speaking brittish and us english. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I don't feel I have the authority to change the terminology without asking at least the other members of the team. I attempted to send a message to the gnome-uk list yesterday, but for some reason it doesn't appear to have worked. I'll try again soon. The thing that irks me is that Ubuntu decide to do translation solely for themselves, but that's a different matter. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi Bruce, Earlier, you said "I'll see if I can get this done for GNOME 2.32, but I don't promise anything." Thanks, but this is no good. You know exactly what will happen: people will discuss the issue endlessly and no-one will ever make a final decision. My top priority is sorting out the consistency issue because it's confusing for users, and that requires a decision to be made as soon as possible. You, as an upstream, can decide on the approved terminology *now* and we'll just adopt whatever you say. The important thing is that a decision is made. (For what it's worth, upstream collaboration is very much alive. To see this, you should all join the docs team!) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Yet again we at upstream were not consulted at all. Thanks for putting yet another nail in the coffin of upstream collaboration. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi folks, This bug devolved into bikeshedding long ago. Consistency is the most important consideration here, not the actual term that's used. It's important that we make a choice and stick to it, ASAP. So, I'm sure that alternative choices like "bin" would be just as good, and I'm sure everyone has a wonderful justification for why their favourite term should be used, but a decision has been made, and the approved term in Ubuntu is now "Rubbish Bin". This term is clearly recognizable to British English speakers (comment #64, thanks for working on this Alan), and if you're really searching for justification then the addition of the word "rubbish" should clarify the meaning of the term to non- British-English speakers (notably, tech support workers). *** Final decision: "Rubbish Bin". *** -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Does anyone know how I can unsubscribe from this group? Gary dgar...@yahoo.com = --- On Wed, 8/25/10, cwarner7_11 wrote: > From: cwarner7_11 > Subject: RE: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in > en_GB localization > To: dgar...@yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:35 PM > > The only problem I have with "bin" is that also happens to > be the name of the folder in Unix/Linux where all your > commands are stored...DO NOT empty this "bin" or your system > will lock up! > > Charlie > > > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:26:15 + > > From: kaz...@gmail.com > > To: cwarner7...@hotmail.com > > Subject: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder > inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > > > > Please, just go with "Bin". The majority of native > speakers in this > > thread seem happy with it. Either go with "Bin" or do > a survey (but I'm > > almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be > "Bin"). > > > > Gmail uses "Bin", and even Microsoft calls it the > Recycle "Bin" in > > Windows. Bin is the common GB term, let's just go with > that and be done > > with it. > > > > -- > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > You received this bug notification because you are a > member of Ubuntu > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > Bug description: > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and > is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu > offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed > Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in > nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of > this can be seen in #115661 also. > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple > enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a > papercut. > > > > - > > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now > "Rubbish Bin"! > > - > > > > > > > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member > of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is > referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu > offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed > Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in > nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of > this can be seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple > enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a > papercut. > > - > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish > Bin"! > - > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
The only problem I have with "bin" is that also happens to be the name of the folder in Unix/Linux where all your commands are stored...DO NOT empty this "bin" or your system will lock up! Charlie > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:26:15 + > From: kaz...@gmail.com > To: cwarner7...@hotmail.com > Subject: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB > localization > > Please, just go with "Bin". The majority of native speakers in this > thread seem happy with it. Either go with "Bin" or do a survey (but I'm > almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be "Bin"). > > Gmail uses "Bin", and even Microsoft calls it the Recycle "Bin" in > Windows. Bin is the common GB term, let's just go with that and be done > with it. > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the > window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in > nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen > in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin"! > - > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I've sent a message to the gnome-uk list asking on thoughts about "bin". I'll see if I can get this done for GNOME 2.32, but I don't promise anything. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Phil asked if I could conduct a survey which I haven't formally done. However I have taken the opportunity to pester just about everyone I know in the real world and ask them a simple question or two. "what's that?" (whilst pointing at a refuse container on the floor ;) ) . I also asked what was the stuff called that you put in it. Without fail every single person either said "bin", "rubbish" or "rubbish bin". Nobody said "trash" or "recycle bin". I even asked/annoyed/canvassed random strangers on the bus and in the lift at work. Whilst anecdotal and unscientific I am sure that a larger scale survey of British English speakers would yield similar results. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Please, just go with "Bin". The majority of native speakers in this thread seem happy with it. Either go with "Bin" or do a survey (but I'm almost positive the outcome of such a survey would be "Bin"). Gmail uses "Bin", and even Microsoft calls it the Recycle "Bin" in Windows. Bin is the common GB term, let's just go with that and be done with it. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
.bin extensions should be fine. I don't know relevant here but what about /bin? I wouldn't want any newbie to do a rm * -r -f /bin thinking he was clearing the waste. -- Alex http://archeleus.com/blog On 25 August 2010 21:57, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > About the ".bin" confusion: > No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all > but that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the > difference. So, where is the confusion? > > @unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs. > how often the word "Bin" is used on any interface to resemble a place > for deleted files. > > If anything, the extension should be changed. But that’s not the point > here. (Although it was quite funny seeing .bin files translated > literally in the German version of the movie Hackers.) > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
We have the Doc team verdict! Can the Translations team get this fixed for Maverick ? ** Description changed: The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. - - Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: - "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", "wastebin", or "wastebasket". + from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin"! - - (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in comment #8.) ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Opinion => Triaged -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I completely agree with you. I was just playing devil's advocate :) Can we agree on Bin then? yes? On 25 August 2010 14:57, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: > About the ".bin" confusion: > No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all > but that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the > difference. So, where is the confusion? > > @unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs. > how often the word "Bin" is used on any interface to resemble a place > for deleted files. > > If anything, the extension should be changed. But that’s not the point > here. (Although it was quite funny seeing .bin files translated > literally in the German version of the movie Hackers.) > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-common/+bug/406626/+subscribe > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
About the ".bin" confusion: No normal user should ever come upon a .bin file (or file extensions at all but that’s a different story). Everyone that works with .bin files knows the difference. So, where is the confusion? @unforeseen: Compare how often .bin files come up in support cases vs. how often the word "Bin" is used on any interface to resemble a place for deleted files. If anything, the extension should be changed. But that’s not the point here. (Although it was quite funny seeing .bin files translated literally in the German version of the movie Hackers.) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Trash is American usage. What gmail uses is dependant on your English setting and here we are talking about GB. I am in support of Mr Borchardt who said that " bin" is too long. Just bin would be fine if you don't mind the .bin extension. -- Alex Blog : http://archeleus.com/blog On 25 August 2010 20:48, Cody C <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote: > > I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish > > Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted > > files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the > > waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that > > seems very natural. > > > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". > Also, in my opinion, Trash sounds better. > > --cody > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Just for confirmation, I've attached a screenshot of Gmail in UK English ** Attachment added: "gmail.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/406626/+attachment/1517823/+files/gmail.png -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
On 25 August 2010 13:48, Cody C <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". Not when configured to use UK English, which is what we are talking about here. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Its bin on mine On 25 August 2010 13:48, Cody C <406...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote: > > I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish > > Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted > > files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the > > waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that > > seems very natural. > > > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". > Also, in my opinion, Trash sounds better. > > --cody > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Opinion > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Simon Bennie Mchem Ph.D student Theoretical chemistry group School of Chemistry The University of Manchester M13 9PL This email was sent using Ubuntu -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
On 26/08/2010 12:01 a.m., Kazade wrote: > I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish > Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted > files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the > waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that > seems very natural. > Actually, I think gMail uses "Trash", not "Bin". Also, in my opinion, Trash sounds better. --cody -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I think most native speakers are happy with either "Bin" or "Rubbish Bin". I'd personally prefer "Bin" (as I wouldn't really refer to deleted files "rubbish") but "Rubbish Bin" is fine if we are going with the waste container metaphor. As mentioned above, gmail uses "Bin" and that seems very natural. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Google Mail calls it "Bin", short and simple. If that wouldn’t suit most users, they would certainly choose another term. "Rubbish Bin" or any other variation of "[word] Bin" seems too long and specific. Disclaimer: I’m not a native speaker. Just believing that design can (and should) be measured http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/05/10/measuring-the-user-interface/ -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Personally, rubbish bin seems a little raw. But I suppose I could see what gnome-uk thinks. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I think the problem is that no-one feels that they have the authority to make a final decision. A survey would choose for us, but I agree that it's a lot of messing around for little gain. This bug is 44 comments long already. I say that we decide on "rubbish bin" and just leave it at that. This term is clear and unambiguous, and is in common, modern British usage. I'm marking this bug as fixed from the Doc Team: the recommended term is now "Rubbish Bin". Dissent at your peril! ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged => Opinion -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation
I agree that its not needed. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:50 PM, unforeseen <406...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote: > and could somebody please change the title of this from 'localization' > to 'localisation' :D > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I new here,can anyone help me to know what is going on? -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
and could somebody please change the title of this from 'localization' to 'localisation' :D -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Please forgive my bluntness, I think a survey would be an unnecessary act. It's a simple fact that in the UK, people will refer to it as the "bin", "dustbin", "rubbish bin" or for something to be recycled "recycle bin" or "[put it in the] recycling" which is less common. In reply to Matthew Paul Thomas, it should be up to the Ubuntu users and potential users in the UK to chose what they refer to things as not those from New Zealand as any changes are unlikely to affect them. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Hi Popey, Would you mind organising a survey? It would probably be best to ask a simple, non-leading question, e.g. "What [do|would] you call the place where files go when you delete them?" Non-technical users would be more valuable participants because they're the ones most likely to be affected by a poor choice of terminology. This makes me think that an in-person (rather than web-based) survey would be necessary. We don't need good statistics on this; 15-20 participants would probably be plenty to inform the decision. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. I can ask a few people myself. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Ryan, Thanks for the clarification. I have launchpad set up, and I think everything is good to go. How can I help with this bug? - Bryant On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ryan Hoover <406...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote: > Bryant, > > It was sent to the Docs team in general -- not you specifically. I'm new > also and was just as confused when I first got the email :) > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Bryant Lippert > wrote: > > > Vish, > > > > I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with > > you > > guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was > > trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any > information > > you could off I would appreciate! > > > > - Bryant > > > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vish wrote: > > > > > @Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a > > > decision on this bug. > > > But haven't heard back from him yet. > > > > > > There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get > this > > > fixed for Maverick :-) > > > > > > Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion > > > > > > ** Changed in: ubuntu > > > Importance: Undecided => Low > > > > > > -- > > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > > > Bug description: > > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as > > both > > > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' > but > > > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also > > trash:/// > > > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this > can > > be > > > seen in #115661 also. > > > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix > simply > > > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > > > > > - > > > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > > > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > > > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > > > - > > > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards > > and > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > > > comment #8.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > Bug description: > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as > both > > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also > trash:/// > > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can > be > > seen in #115661 also. > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > > > - > > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > > - > > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards > and > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > > comment #8.) > > > > > > > > > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Bryant, It was sent to the Docs team in general -- not you specifically. I'm new also and was just as confused when I first got the email :) On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Bryant Lippert wrote: > Vish, > > I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with > you > guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was > trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any information > you could off I would appreciate! > > - Bryant > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vish wrote: > > > @Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a > > decision on this bug. > > But haven't heard back from him yet. > > > > There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this > > fixed for Maverick :-) > > > > Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion > > > > ** Changed in: ubuntu > > Importance: Undecided => Low > > > > -- > > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > > > Bug description: > > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as > both > > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also > trash:/// > > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can > be > > seen in #115661 also. > > > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > > > - > > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > > - > > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards > and > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > > comment #8.) > > > > > > > > > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Vish, I'm new to the Ubuntu Docs group. I was just assigned this new task with you guys, but I'm not sure how to get this started, or where to log in. I was trying to find someone under the Ubuntu mentoring program. Any information you could off I would appreciate! - Bryant On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Vish wrote: > @Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a > decision on this bug. > But haven't heard back from him yet. > > There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this > fixed for Maverick :-) > > Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion > > ** Changed in: ubuntu > Importance: Undecided => Low > > -- > Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Documentation Project Team, which is a bug assignee. > > Status in GNOME Common Scripts: Unknown > Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged > Status in Ubuntu: Triaged > > Bug description: > The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both > Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but > the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// > in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be > seen in #115661 also. > > This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply > changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. > > - > Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: > "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", > "wastebin", or "wastebasket". > - > (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in > comment #8.) > > > > -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
If anything was decided, I could probably get this fixed for GNOME 2.32. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a decision on this bug. But haven't heard back from him yet. There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this fixed for Maverick :-) Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion ** Changed in: ubuntu Importance: Undecided => Low -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a decision on this bug. But havent heard back from him yet. There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this fixed for Maverick :-) Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
@Phil , I had emailed Martin Meredith, a couple of weeks ago, to take a decision on this bug. But havent heard back from him yet. There seems to be no consensus on this. Let's just pick one and get this fixed for Maverick :-) Assigning to docs team as per Phil's suggestion ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Documentation Project Team (ubuntu-doc) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I think the general consensus among native British English speakers in this report is that "bin" or "rubbish bin" are suitable terms. e.g. "Move to the rubbish bin", "Empty the rubbish bin" etc. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
I'd be happy top help organise such a survey (also a brit). -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Can I push for a decision on this ASAP, please? Not having a consistent naming convention causes problems for people doing user assistance (docs etc.), and this discussion has gone on for far too long. A native British English speaker should make the decision; having a non-native speaker decide (US English or otherwise) is inappropriate. If no-one is prepared to make a decision, feel free to assign this to the docs team and we can survey some users (I'm British, so I'd probably do it). -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Description changed: - The delted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as + The deleted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. - Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", "wastebin", or "wastebasket". + - + (The accuracy of this statement is questioned, see comment #28 onwards and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution given in comment #8.) -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Trash is a term very rarely used within the United Kingdom. It is very common to called the items themselves "rubbish" in such a phrase as "this can belongs in the rubbish". In reference to the folder however, as wikipedia[0] points out, in place of trashcan the British normally use the term rubbish bin or more accurately just "bin" colloquially. It is much more accurate to call the wastebasket the rubbish bin in regards to British English translations. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_words_not_widely_used_in_the_United_Kingdom#T -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
You could say that the assertion that Trash is used in Britain is utter rubbish. Sorry. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
Please change the description back. It's simply not true that the word 'trash' is in common use in UK English for this context. It is a term from American English and is just not appropriate in a GB translation. I think that most people would agree that the OED is a reliable source of information on this. So I quote from: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0878770#m_en_gb0878770 * 1 chiefly North American waste material; refuse * cultural items, ideas, or objects of poor quality:if they read at all, they read trash * 2 North American a person or people regarded as being of very low social standing:clubs patronized by rock trash In both contexts it is referenced as North American. The correct UK term is almost certainly Rubbish. -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization
** Description changed: The delted items folder is inconsistently named and is referred to as both Wastebasket and Deleted items, Ubuntu offers to 'Empty Deleted Items' but the window is headed Wastebasket. The URL to deleted items is also trash:/// in nautilus but this is possibly a seperate issue. An effect of this can be seen in #115661 also. This could confuse new users and it should be a simple enough fix simply changing strings, so I believe it is a papercut. + + - + Quoting MPT , see comment #15 for more details: + "trash" is, in UK English, far and away more common than "rubbish bin", "wastebin", or "wastebasket". -- Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localization https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406626 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
