[Ubuntu-ch] Fwd: Kubuntu Requests

2010-06-10 Thread Myriam Schweingruber
FYI, please all Kubuntu users, give David a hand if you can. BTW,
since I need CDs for an event, I can provide Kubutnu 10.04 LTS if you
need some


Regards, Myriam.

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Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 03:13
Subject: Kubuntu Requests
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Greetings:

My name is David Wonderly and I am working with the Kubuntu-devel team trying
to start a small contact group within the LoCos. As a long time Kubuntu user
there were a few times where I wished I could help more within my LoCo but,
because the majority use Ubuntu (GNOME) I felt I wasn't doing all I could.

What I am trying to accomplish in gathering names and contacts from the LoCo
Kubuntu users is to share ideas so that Kubuntu can move further to help the
needs of LoCos and Kubuntu users alike.

If you could push this request out to the LoCos I would appreciate it. Anyone
interested in helping be a part of this please email me
darkwingd...@kubuntu.org

Thank you for your time and assistance.

-DW

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[Maverick] linux kernel 2.6.35-2.3 uploaded (ABI bump)

2010-06-10 Thread Leann Ogasawara
We have uploaded a new Maverick linux kernel.  This brings us up to date
with the latest 2.6.35-rc2 mainline kernel as well as fixes some FTBS we
saw for armel and ports.  Please note the ABI bump:

https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-2.3

Thanks,
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Re: Ubuntu QA Meeting Minutes - 2010-06-09

2010-06-10 Thread Sense Hofstede
On 10 June 2010 20:45, Ronald McCollam ronald.mccol...@canonical.com wrote:
 == Meeting logs ==

 I do not believe that #ubuntu-quality is logged (at least I have been
 unable to find the logs) so I have put a transcript here:

    http://people.canonical.com/~fader/20100609.txt

Could someone a bit higher up the hierarchy than me send a request for
the log bot to r...@ubuntu.com? That's the required procedure to get
your channel logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ and I think that
the #ubuntu-quality channel would surely benefit from that.

Please do note that it seems to be a legal obligation (in some
countries?) to notify users in the channel topic that the channel is
being logged.

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Re: Ubuntu QA Meeting Minutes - 2010-06-09

2010-06-10 Thread Brian Murray
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 02:45:57PM -0400, Ronald McCollam wrote:
 == Meeting logs ==
 
 I do not believe that #ubuntu-quality is logged (at least I have been
 unable to find the logs) so I have put a transcript here:
 
 http://people.canonical.com/~fader/20100609.txt
 
 == Actions from last meeting ==
 
  * ara to create hudson+mago branch and write some docs: DONE, see
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/SharingTestingInfrastructure#Mago%20Tests
  * ara to talk with IRC council to set up bot in #ubuntu-quality: DONE
 
 == SRU Testing (sbeattie) ==
 
 The latest report as well as an archive of previous ones can be found
 at:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/SRUReports
 
 Help testing Stable Release Updates is always needed! You can check
 what needs testing at:
 
 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
 
 == Bug Day status (pedro_) ==
 
 Last week the Bugsquad team ran a Bug Day for Compiz:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100603
 
 Turnout was low due to Alpha 1 also being released that week, using a
 lot of testing resources.  ~15 bugs were triaged that day.
 
 The next Bug Day is on gnome-games and work has already begun:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100610
 
 Help always welcome! You can join the Bugsquad at #ubuntu-bugs
 
 == Blueprints update (all) ==
 
 Status toward Alpha 2 is available here:
 
 
 http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-maverick-alpha-2.html
 
 sbeattie and hggdh are re-evaluating the server tests to verify what is
 possible and drop the tests that cannot be performed.
 
 == Kernel Triage Summit (JFo) ==
 
 The kernel team is redefining their triage methods.  Work is ongoing on
 this front, but the following wiki pages have information already:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Tagging
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugReview
 
 Additionally they are planning what is hoped to be a twice-yearly event
 called the Kernel Triage Summit.  This will be an online event to help
 triagers learn how to work with various types of kernel bugs.  There
 will be sessions on how to triage bugs for specific kernel subsystems as
 well as some general kernel triage sessions.
 
 JFo is still preparing information about the event and will be sending
 out information on several mailing lists.  He has also agreed to return
 to the QA meeting to provide this information there.
 
 Finally, he has discussed this on the Ubuntu UK podcast:
 
 http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/06/09/s03e09-the-talk-of-the-town/
 
 == Sound Card Compatibility Testing (awbancroft) ==
 
 awbancroft has pointed out that audio is an area of concern for bugs in
 Ubuntu.  After some discussion, we decided to try a targeted testing
 program similar to the one we ran last cycle for proprietary video
 driver tests.  awbancroft has agreed to head up this effort and will put
 together a plan for testing with ara acting as a mentor.
 
 There are also several wiki pages with information about audio testing.
 JFo is working on a central location for these, but until that is ready,
 the information is available here:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
 
 == Selection of new chair (fader_) ==
 
 bladernr has agreed to act as chair next week.  The meeting will take
 place at 1700 UTC in #ubuntu-quality.
 
 == Location of meetings ==
 
 ara and bladernr proposed that we keep the meetings in #ubuntu-quality
 rather than #ubuntu-meeting for flexibility and control purposes.  A
 vote was had and was unanimously in favor of this.  Future meetings will
 take place in #ubuntu-quality.

Shouldn't there be an action to update the Fridge about the meeting
location then?
 
 == Actions ==
 
  * sbeattie and hggdh to reevaluate server tests
  * AWB to put together a structured testing program for audio testing
 (with mentorship from ara)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread Ritesh Sinha
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 I don't think this is a big deal (well apart from the Geode issue
 which is quite problematic and should be patched). Most desktop
 systems today are running i686 and systems that require 586 support
 can stick with the LTS which already supports them.

 I do not
 understand the need to upgrade to the latest and greatest if you have
 a machine that is working as required with the LTS.

 Am still running 9.10 and am happy with it and will only move up when
 access to the whole set of tools that i need is available. (meaning
 either offline repos or broad band)

 It was inevitable, probably in a few years one would see
 dropped support for 32 bit architectures.

 so is it better for people buying new machines to think in terms of 64 bit ??

You shouldn't have to worry about that. As far as I know _all_ newer
processors support 64 bit instructions (Intel Core Series/Newer Atoms,
AMD Athlons/Phenoms).


 **
 To find out what processor you have use this in the command line
 ~$ uname -m
 i686

 So will probably survive the meerket progress :-)

 and for any older machines (which according to a reponse in the
 article are processors older than 1996- whoah way way back so i think
 most people would be safe ) people can search for an appropriate small
 version of linux of which there are plenty
Exactly. They can also stick with the version that is already working for them.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Easwar Hariharan meindian...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you are using an MTNL Triband connection, try the following

 1]Try wgetting different pages, for example

 wget www.google.com
 wget www.yahoo.co.in

 2] Check the IP the sites resolve to (part of the wget output)
 3] If they are the same, your router probably switches to the wrong PVC at
 the times you are not able to load pages. My observation when this has
 affected me is that the problem usually goes away on its own, in a few hours
 or at max one day.

That was valuable input, but I see this problem with firefox, if I
avoid firefox everything seems to be normal.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:51 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 See article below,

 Start Article

 Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686
 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-wont-run.html
 If you're planning on using Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat on a computer with a
 processor older than i686, well... you can't.

 Ubuntu 10.10 will be dropping support for i386-i586 processors so it can take
 advantage of the i686 optimizations.


 But there seem to be some issues with this: even some new processors which are
 especially designed for low power consumption are i586. Such a processor is
 the Geode LX800 - a pretty new processor for which a bug has been filled on
 Launchpad but which most probably won't be fixed since Geode LX800 is a i586
 processor.


 Thanks to Manish for the heads up!

 end article
 ***

 My Thoughts:

 I thought that such moves were what M$ and FrApple would have done, make
 existing hard ware obsolete. If this is true its absolutely terrible news for
 ubuntu fans, what it might mean is migrating to another linux which will
 support a wider range of processors.

 What do other folks think about this

This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
users happy, and not 99%...
M$ made similar attempt in Vista and they failed, but that was much
bigger change than what ubuntu has made. So I kind of having mixed
reactions to Ubuntu these days...

Looking at recent buzz around Ubuntu, I am try phase out to some other OS...



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 To find out what processor you have use this in the command line

 -$ uname -m

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, VK techn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:50:25 +0530
 From: Mallikarjun(?)      mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com
 Subject: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem
 To: Ubuntu India Local Communityubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com
 Dear Friends,
    I think I have unique problem with firefox, once I start firefox and
 use Internet, Internet will not work properly, sometime pages load and
 sometimes doesn't.
 While this happens, I am able to ping the website... What do you think
 the problem is??? Any suggestions???
 ---
 Mallikarjun

 Yesterday (09-Jun-10) I had a similar experience,
 with MTNL (Mumbai, adsl broadband) internet access.
 Fortuniately I tracked the issue to this:
 The ISP's DNS server IPs had been changed
 (from 59.185.0.50 to 59.185.3.10).
 The moment I changed my adsl-router DNS settings to follow
 the ISP's DNS values (instead of the earlier hard-coded
 IPs) the problem was resolved. Please note that the
 hard-coded DNS values had been working for a very
 long time, perhaps at least six months or more.
 Hope this helps.

:( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
seems to be the same

I am wondering, how could firefox inhibit using internet...
 Cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-10 Thread Ritesh Sinha
2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, VK techn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:50:25 +0530
 From: Mallikarjun(?)      mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com
 Subject: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem
 To: Ubuntu India Local Communityubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com
 Dear Friends,
    I think I have unique problem with firefox, once I start firefox and
 use Internet, Internet will not work properly, sometime pages load and
 sometimes doesn't.
 While this happens, I am able to ping the website... What do you think
 the problem is??? Any suggestions???
 ---
 Mallikarjun

 Yesterday (09-Jun-10) I had a similar experience,
 with MTNL (Mumbai, adsl broadband) internet access.
 Fortuniately I tracked the issue to this:
 The ISP's DNS server IPs had been changed
 (from 59.185.0.50 to 59.185.3.10).
 The moment I changed my adsl-router DNS settings to follow
 the ISP's DNS values (instead of the earlier hard-coded
 IPs) the problem was resolved. Please note that the
 hard-coded DNS values had been working for a very
 long time, perhaps at least six months or more.
 Hope this helps.

 :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
 seems to be the same
Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 I am wondering, how could firefox inhibit using internet...
 Cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
 :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
 seems to be the same
 Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
 drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

I am getting some really valuable suggestions, even if my problem is
un-resolved I would not mind...

Here are the results...

305 packets transmitted, 305 received, 0% packet loss, time 304299ms

Negative result :(


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-10 Thread Ritesh Sinha
2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
 seems to be the same
 Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
 drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 I am getting some really valuable suggestions, even if my problem is
 un-resolved I would not mind...

 Here are the results...

 305 packets transmitted, 305 received, 0% packet loss, time 304299ms

 Negative result :(

Okay one last suggestion :D . Try running Wireshark in the background
when you're browsing. Once you have collected some packets try to see
if you any malformed packets (should show up in red).



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
 seems to be the same
 Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
 drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 I am getting some really valuable suggestions, even if my problem is
 un-resolved I would not mind...

 Here are the results...

 305 packets transmitted, 305 received, 0% packet loss, time 304299ms

 Negative result :(

 Okay one last suggestion :D . Try running Wireshark in the background
 when you're browsing. Once you have collected some packets try to see
 if you any malformed packets (should show up in red).

I already thought of, waiting for free time
Anyway thanks for another nice suggestion




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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem (Mallikarjun)

2010-06-10 Thread Ayush Maheshwari

  :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
  seems to be the same


Same problem here, but i'm using BSNL broadband  using firefox 3.5.
I'd problem in opening sites like
iitr.ac.in
wordpress.com/
...etcetra

I used google public dns as well as my isp's dns. The problem appears to be
same with Fedora 12 too, but Mandriva '08 loads the pages with the same DNS.
I'd been facing it from the last 6 months.




  Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
  drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 Yes, it pings perfectly but goes into infinite loading of pages from
firefox, konqueror, etc
but as expected wget doesn't work for the pages .

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread Chaitanya Pramod
 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:52:48 +0530
 From: Ravi Kumar ra2...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On
Processors Below i686
 To: Ubuntu India Local Community ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:51 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  See article below,
 
  Start Article
 
  Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686
 
 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-wont-run.html
  If you're planning on using Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat on a computer
  with a
  processor older than i686, well... you can't.
 
  Ubuntu 10.10 will be dropping support for i386-i586 processors so it can
  take
  advantage of the i686 optimizations.
 
 
  But there seem to be some issues with this: even some new processors
 which
  are
  especially designed for low power consumption are i586. Such a processor
 is
  the Geode LX800 - a pretty new processor for which a bug has been filled
 on
  Launchpad but which most probably won't be fixed since Geode LX800 is a
  i586
  processor.
 
 
  Thanks to Manish for the heads up!
 
  end article
  ***
 
  My Thoughts:
 
  I thought that such moves were what M$ and FrApple would have done, make
  existing hard ware obsolete. If this is true its absolutely terrible news
  for
  ubuntu fans, what it might mean is migrating to another linux which will
  support a wider range of processors.
 
  What do other folks think about this
 
  **
  To find out what processor you have use this in the command line
 
  -$ uname -m
 
  **
 
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 Perhaps to me, this is a great news. Old hardware are not going to survive
 anymore. Where do one find the Motherboards/RAMS/PATA-HDD etc if one got to
 replace it. The Manufacturers already had obsoleted it. So, its really safe
 time to take such move. And, it will give better optimizations.

 And there are always rare-cases (else, why the word RARE). I am sure, it
 would not disappoint 99.99% of ubuntu users.
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I think it is a good move. Why tax more than 90% of users with unoptimized
code and loads of exceptions for the few who use older systems?? May be an
alternate Ubuntu release (like Ubuntu Remix) can be provided for such users
using obsolete hardware.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread Onkar Shinde
2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:

 This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
 Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
 users happy, and not 99%...

I don't think it is as bad news as you are claiming. Ubuntu 10.04 is
an LTS and hence it will be supported with bug fixes for 3 years. So
even those who have very old hardware have a choice of running it for
next three years. They will miss new features but that is not
necessarily bad.
No OS, open source or otherwise, can make 100% users happy. Because no
matter what, they always find something to complain about.
Open source is about freedom to choose. And that freedom is also valid
for distribution makers. They have the right to decide what is best in
long run from maintenance point of view. For example. Sparc port of
Ubuntu, which is community maintained, will be decommissioned during
Maverick cycle.

 M$ made similar attempt in Vista and they failed, but that was much
 bigger change than what ubuntu has made. So I kind of having mixed
 reactions to Ubuntu these days...

As you have already said Vista was much bigger change. Vista was not
even capable of running on the systems in existence when it was
release. Also the so called 'Vista Capable' systems also were not well
equipped for Vista's intensive memory/processor usage.

 Looking at recent buzz around Ubuntu, I am try phase out to some other OS...

Debian is a good choice. Also you can try Fedora.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread Mehul Ved
2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
 Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
 users happy, and not 99%...

So, going by your logic, Ubuntu should release an ISO optimised for
each processor family cos we are not happy with under-optimised
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem (Mallikarjun)

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Ayush Maheshwari
ayush.ha...@gmail.com wrote:


  :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
  seems to be the same

 Same problem here, but i'm using BSNL broadband  using firefox 3.5.

I am using BSNL broadband too...

 I'd problem in opening sites like
 iitr.ac.in
 wordpress.com/
 ...etcetra

If you specific sites not opening, then I think you can change DNS and
try... may be nortandns, opendns


 I used google public dns as well as my isp's dns. The problem appears to be
 same with Fedora 12 too, but Mandriva '08 loads the pages with the same DNS.
 I'd been facing it from the last 6 months.




  Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
  drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 Yes, it pings perfectly but goes into infinite loading of pages from
 firefox, konqueror, etc
 but as expected wget doesn't work for the pages .

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
 Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
 users happy, and not 99%...

 So, going by your logic, Ubuntu should release an ISO optimised for
 each processor family cos we are not happy with under-optimised
 distro.

I don't mean it, rather I meant, all the current happy users should
not be phased out from next release by changing hardware support...


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

2010-06-10 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:

 This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
 Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
 users happy, and not 99%...

 I don't think it is as bad news as you are claiming. Ubuntu 10.04 is
 an LTS and hence it will be supported with bug fixes for 3 years. So
 even those who have very old hardware have a choice of running it for
 next three years. They will miss new features but that is not
 necessarily bad.

You have a valid point...

 No OS, open source or otherwise, can make 100% users happy. Because no
 matter what, they always find something to complain about.
 Open source is about freedom to choose. And that freedom is also valid
 for distribution makers. They have the right to decide what is best in
 long run from maintenance point of view. For example. Sparc port of
 Ubuntu, which is community maintained, will be decommissioned during
 Maverick cycle.

I meant, making current ubuntu users happy


 M$ made similar attempt in Vista and they failed, but that was much
 bigger change than what ubuntu has made. So I kind of having mixed
 reactions to Ubuntu these days...

 As you have already said Vista was much bigger change. Vista was not
 even capable of running on the systems in existence when it was
 release. Also the so called 'Vista Capable' systems also were not well
 equipped for Vista's intensive memory/processor usage.

 Looking at recent buzz around Ubuntu, I am try phase out to some other OS...

 Debian is a good choice. Also you can try Fedora.

I am considering Debian and Gentoo



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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Jean Levasseur
Pour fins de clarifications, un paquet transitionnel est un paquet virtuel.
Il sert à faire la transition entre une vieille version et une nouvelle
version qui porte un nouveau nom.  Le paquet transitionnel est là pour aider
à faire des mises à jour d'une version d'Ubuntu à une autre, mais ils
peuvent être désinstallés une fois la mise à jour faite, car ils ne
contiennent rien eux mêmes.  Donc si vous avez le choix lors de
l'installation entre deux paquets similaires, dont un est un paquet
transitionnel, il est toujours préférable de choisir le paquet QUI N'EST PAS
transitionnel.
- Jean.

Le 9 juin 2010 20:09, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Salut!

 Je crois que c'est le même effectivement, car le nonfree fait référence à
 un paquet transitionnel, ce qui signifie qu'il est le paquet par lequel un
 autre paquet est installé...

 bonne soirée!!!

 chao!


   2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

   Salut Steve

 Question de clarifier la chose !
 1.- J'aurai du écrire Adobe Flash Plug In 10. Ce sont les deux choix
 proposés dans la Logithèque Ubuntu
 2.- J'ai installé Adobe Flash Plug In 10ce qui a désinstallé
 Greffon Adobe Flash qui avait un crochet.
 3.- En cherchant  flashplugin dans synaptic , on trouve, pas installé,
 le
 flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.45.2ubuntu1   Adobe Flash Player plugin
 installer (transitional package)
 4.- Si on cherche Adobe dans synaptic on réalise que celui qui a été
 installé par la Logithèque est:
 adobe-flash plugin  10.0.45.2lucid1   Adobe Flash Player plugin
 version 10

 Je garde donc celui proposé par la Logithèque (probablement du pareil au
 même)



 Le 2010-06-09 17:04, Steve Nadeau a écrit :

 Bonjour Michel!
 j'ai simplement répondu à ta question!
 ««Doit-on installer Greffon Adobe Flash ou Adobe Plug In 10
 ?»»

 je croyais que ma réponse était claire!

 bonne soirée!


 2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

 Ce que j'ai exprimé est dans la Logithèque Ubuntu !


 Le 2010-06-09 14:48, Steve Nadeau a écrit :

 Bonjour!

 dans le gestionnaire de paquets Synaptic du menu Système/Administration,
 il faut installer:
 flashplugin-nonfree

 sa description est:
 Installation du plugin Adobe Flash Player (paquet de transition)

 bonne fin de journée!

 Steve


 2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

 Le 2010-06-09 12:23, Jean Chicoine a écrit :
  En effet: 3 chemins qui mènent au même point, à savoir celui des
 dépôts
  d'Ubuntu, qu'il est préférable d'utiliser plutôt que les versions sur
 les
  sites des tiers-parties.
 
  jean
 
  Le Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:59:59 -0500, Marc Deslauriers
  marc.deslauri...@canonical.com  a écrit:
 
 
  On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 11:54 -0400, Maxime Maguire wrote:
 
  3 réponses différentes à une question...Vous ne trouvez pas ça
  déroutant?
 
 
  Pourquoi 3 réponses différentes? On a tous suggéré sensiblement la
  même chose...
 
  Marc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Bonjour Jean!

merci pour cette information, je l'ignorais!

c'est bon à savoir!

bonne journée!

2010/6/10, Jean Levasseur levasseur.j...@gmail.com:
 Pour fins de clarifications, un paquet transitionnel est un paquet virtuel.
 Il sert à faire la transition entre une vieille version et une nouvelle
 version qui porte un nouveau nom.  Le paquet transitionnel est là pour aider
 à faire des mises à jour d'une version d'Ubuntu à une autre, mais ils
 peuvent être désinstallés une fois la mise à jour faite, car ils ne
 contiennent rien eux mêmes.  Donc si vous avez le choix lors de
 l'installation entre deux paquets similaires, dont un est un paquet
 transitionnel, il est toujours préférable de choisir le paquet QUI N'EST PAS
 transitionnel.
 - Jean.

 Le 9 juin 2010 20:09, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Salut!

 Je crois que c'est le même effectivement, car le nonfree fait référence
 à
 un paquet transitionnel, ce qui signifie qu'il est le paquet par lequel un
 autre paquet est installé...

 bonne soirée!!!

 chao!


   2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

   Salut Steve

 Question de clarifier la chose !
 1.- J'aurai du écrire Adobe Flash Plug In 10. Ce sont les deux choix
 proposés dans la Logithèque Ubuntu
 2.- J'ai installé Adobe Flash Plug In 10ce qui a désinstallé
 Greffon Adobe Flash qui avait un crochet.
 3.- En cherchant  flashplugin dans synaptic , on trouve, pas installé,
 le
 flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.45.2ubuntu1   Adobe Flash Player plugin
 installer (transitional package)
 4.- Si on cherche Adobe dans synaptic on réalise que celui qui a été
 installé par la Logithèque est:
 adobe-flash plugin  10.0.45.2lucid1   Adobe Flash Player plugin
 version 10

 Je garde donc celui proposé par la Logithèque (probablement du pareil au
 même)



 Le 2010-06-09 17:04, Steve Nadeau a écrit :

 Bonjour Michel!
 j'ai simplement répondu à ta question!
 ««Doit-on installer Greffon Adobe Flash ou Adobe Plug In 10
 ?»»

 je croyais que ma réponse était claire!

 bonne soirée!


 2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

 Ce que j'ai exprimé est dans la Logithèque Ubuntu !


 Le 2010-06-09 14:48, Steve Nadeau a écrit :

 Bonjour!

 dans le gestionnaire de paquets Synaptic du menu Système/Administration,
 il faut installer:
 flashplugin-nonfree

 sa description est:
 Installation du plugin Adobe Flash Player (paquet de transition)

 bonne fin de journée!

 Steve


 2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

 Le 2010-06-09 12:23, Jean Chicoine a écrit :
  En effet: 3 chemins qui mènent au même point, à savoir celui des
 dépôts
  d'Ubuntu, qu'il est préférable d'utiliser plutôt que les versions sur
 les
  sites des tiers-parties.
 
  jean
 
  Le Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:59:59 -0500, Marc Deslauriers
  marc.deslauri...@canonical.com  a écrit:
 
 
  On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 11:54 -0400, Maxime Maguire wrote:
 
  3 réponses différentes à une question...Vous ne trouvez pas ça
  déroutant?
 
 
  Pourquoi 3 réponses différentes? On a tous suggéré sensiblement la
  même chose...
 
  Marc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Doit-on installer   Greffon Adobe Flash  ou  Adobe Plug In 10
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Jean Levasseur
Pas de quoi, ça ma pris un bout de temps avant de le comprendre, et c'est un
concept qui n'est pas assez documenté à mon avis (du moins à ce que j'ai
vu).
- Jean
Le 10 juin 2010 07:15, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Jean!

 merci pour cette information, je l'ignorais!

 c'est bon à savoir!

 bonne journée!

 2010/6/10, Jean Levasseur levasseur.j...@gmail.com:
   Pour fins de clarifications, un paquet transitionnel est un paquet
 virtuel.
  Il sert à faire la transition entre une vieille version et une nouvelle
  version qui porte un nouveau nom.  Le paquet transitionnel est là pour
 aider
  à faire des mises à jour d'une version d'Ubuntu à une autre, mais ils
  peuvent être désinstallés une fois la mise à jour faite, car ils ne
  contiennent rien eux mêmes.  Donc si vous avez le choix lors de
  l'installation entre deux paquets similaires, dont un est un paquet
  transitionnel, il est toujours préférable de choisir le paquet QUI N'EST
 PAS
  transitionnel.
  - Jean.
 
  Le 9 juin 2010 20:09, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
  Salut!
 
  Je crois que c'est le même effectivement, car le nonfree fait
 référence
  à
  un paquet transitionnel, ce qui signifie qu'il est le paquet par lequel
 un
  autre paquet est installé...
 
  bonne soirée!!!
 
  chao!
 
 
2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca
 
Salut Steve
 
  Question de clarifier la chose !
  1.- J'aurai du écrire Adobe Flash Plug In 10. Ce sont les deux choix
  proposés dans la Logithèque Ubuntu
  2.- J'ai installé Adobe Flash Plug In 10ce qui a désinstallé
  Greffon Adobe Flash qui avait un crochet.
  3.- En cherchant  flashplugin dans synaptic , on trouve, pas
 installé,
  le
  flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.45.2ubuntu1   Adobe Flash Player plugin
  installer (transitional package)
  4.- Si on cherche Adobe dans synaptic on réalise que celui qui a été
  installé par la Logithèque est:
  adobe-flash plugin  10.0.45.2lucid1   Adobe Flash Player plugin
  version 10
 
  Je garde donc celui proposé par la Logithèque (probablement du pareil
 au
  même)
 
 
 
  Le 2010-06-09 17:04, Steve Nadeau a écrit :
 
  Bonjour Michel!
  j'ai simplement répondu à ta question!
  ««Doit-on installer Greffon Adobe Flash ou Adobe Plug In 10
  ?»»
 
  je croyais que ma réponse était claire!
 
  bonne soirée!
 
 
  2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca
 
  Ce que j'ai exprimé est dans la Logithèque Ubuntu !
 
 
  Le 2010-06-09 14:48, Steve Nadeau a écrit :
 
  Bonjour!
 
  dans le gestionnaire de paquets Synaptic du menu
 Système/Administration,
  il faut installer:
  flashplugin-nonfree
 
  sa description est:
  Installation du plugin Adobe Flash Player (paquet de transition)
 
  bonne fin de journée!
 
  Steve
 
 
  2010/6/9 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca
 
  Le 2010-06-09 12:23, Jean Chicoine a écrit :
   En effet: 3 chemins qui mènent au même point, à savoir celui des
  dépôts
   d'Ubuntu, qu'il est préférable d'utiliser plutôt que les versions
 sur
  les
   sites des tiers-parties.
  
   jean
  
   Le Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:59:59 -0500, Marc Deslauriers
   marc.deslauri...@canonical.com  a écrit:
  
  
   On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 11:54 -0400, Maxime Maguire wrote:
  
   3 réponses différentes à une question...Vous ne trouvez pas ça
   déroutant?
  
  
   Pourquoi 3 réponses différentes? On a tous suggéré sensiblement
 la
   même chose...
  
   Marc.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Doit-on installer   Greffon Adobe Flash  ou  Adobe Plug In 10
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Gilbert Dion
Qui c'est déjà qui a affirmé que ce n'était pas déroutant, tout cela?

Gilbert



Le 10 juin 2010 09:36, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :

 On 10-06-08 03:55 PM, David Tremblay wrote:
  Le 7 juin 2010 11:54, gthouingtho...@laposte.net  a écrit :
 
  Bonjour à tous.
  J'ai installé Ubuntu 10.04 .
  Pour être en mesure de lire certains documents sur le net, on me demande
 d'installer Adobe flash player 10.0.45.2 On me suggère 5 versions à
 télécharger. Laquelle dois-je choisir?
  a) Yum pour linux
  b) tar.gz pour linux
  c) rpm pour linux
  d) deb pour Ubuntu 8.04
  e) deb pour Ubuntu 9.04
 
  Merci pour votre aide.
 
  Gilles Thouin
 
 
  Dans la logithèque fais la recherche de ubuntu-restricted-extras et
  installe le pour lire de la musique et des vidéos encodés avec des
  codecs propriétaires , flash et les polices de caractères microsoft
 
 C'est pas la même version de Flash qui sera installée et un paquet
 d'autres logiciels qui ne sont pas nécessaires seront installés en même
 temps (sans compter qu'ils ne sont pas libres).

 Évitons les installations qui ne sont pas nécessaires ;)

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Maxime Maguire
Je comprend et c'est ok pour les usagers expérimentés dont je fais
partie, j'voulais simplement indiquer que si tout le monde y va de sa
solution sans commenter quelle serait la meilleure et bien c'est très
frustrant pour un nouvel utilisateur Ubuntu. Pour ceux qui veulent
attirer ou garder ces nouveaux utilisateurs, appliquons-nous donc à
donner des consignes claires. Selon moi il faudrait se concentrer sur
la logithèque Ubuntu, dans la mesure du possible.

C'est mon humble avis.

Bonne ournée

Le 10 juin 2010 10:05, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :
 On 10-06-09 11:54 AM, Maxime Maguire wrote:
 3 réponses différentes à une question...Vous ne trouvez pas ça déroutant?

 Pas vraiment. Parfois on ne tient pas compte du contexte ou de la
 version quand on réponds. Et ma réponse à cette question a changé plus
 de 3 fois depuis 6 mois :D Les questions mais aussi les réponses doivent
 être lues avec un peu d'interprétation, chacun publie ce qui fonctionne
 pour lui.

 Venant d'Adobe qui publie(ait) Flash sans le certifier pour Ubuntu avant
 la version 10.04LTS, c'est normal.

 Pour Gnash, qui est libre, les instructions n'ont pas changé depuis
 qu'il est disponible.. Les examples abondent.

 A+

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Gilbert Dion
Si on était dans Facebook, je cliquerais sur «J'aime»!
Gilbert




Le 10 juin 2010 11:06, Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Je comprend et c'est ok pour les usagers expérimentés dont je fais
 partie, j'voulais simplement indiquer que si tout le monde y va de sa
 solution sans commenter quelle serait la meilleure et bien c'est très
 frustrant pour un nouvel utilisateur Ubuntu. Pour ceux qui veulent
 attirer ou garder ces nouveaux utilisateurs, appliquons-nous donc à
 donner des consignes claires. Selon moi il faudrait se concentrer sur
 la logithèque Ubuntu, dans la mesure du possible.

 C'est mon humble avis.

 Bonne ournée

 Le 10 juin 2010 10:05, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :
  On 10-06-09 11:54 AM, Maxime Maguire wrote:
  3 réponses différentes à une question...Vous ne trouvez pas ça
 déroutant?
 
  Pas vraiment. Parfois on ne tient pas compte du contexte ou de la
  version quand on réponds. Et ma réponse à cette question a changé plus
  de 3 fois depuis 6 mois :D Les questions mais aussi les réponses doivent
  être lues avec un peu d'interprétation, chacun publie ce qui fonctionne
  pour lui.
 
  Venant d'Adobe qui publie(ait) Flash sans le certifier pour Ubuntu avant
  la version 10.04LTS, c'est normal.
 
  Pour Gnash, qui est libre, les instructions n'ont pas changé depuis
  qu'il est disponible.. Les examples abondent.
 
  A+
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Maxime Maguire
Pour faire une comparaison j'ai déjà loué une voiture à Paris. Je me
suis un peu perdu alors j'ai ralenti et me suis approché pour demander
le chemin à un groupe de français. Trois de ceux-ci se sont mis à
bavasser en même temps et à gesticuler sur le chemin le plus rapide
pour me rendre à mon itinéraire. Et bien savez-vous quoi ? Je leur ai
gentiment dit merci et lorsque je suis reparti, j'étais encore perdu
:-)

Le 10 juin 2010 11:10, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Si on était dans Facebook, je cliquerais sur «J'aime»!
 Gilbert




 Le 10 juin 2010 11:06, Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Je comprend et c'est ok pour les usagers expérimentés dont je fais
 partie, j'voulais simplement indiquer que si tout le monde y va de sa
 solution sans commenter quelle serait la meilleure et bien c'est très
 frustrant pour un nouvel utilisateur Ubuntu. Pour ceux qui veulent
 attirer ou garder ces nouveaux utilisateurs, appliquons-nous donc à
 donner des consignes claires. Selon moi il faudrait se concentrer sur
 la logithèque Ubuntu, dans la mesure du possible.

 C'est mon humble avis.

 Bonne ournée

 Le 10 juin 2010 10:05, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :
  On 10-06-09 11:54 AM, Maxime Maguire wrote:
  3 réponses différentes à une question...Vous ne trouvez pas ça
  déroutant?
 
  Pas vraiment. Parfois on ne tient pas compte du contexte ou de la
  version quand on réponds. Et ma réponse à cette question a changé plus
  de 3 fois depuis 6 mois :D Les questions mais aussi les réponses doivent
  être lues avec un peu d'interprétation, chacun publie ce qui fonctionne
  pour lui.
 
  Venant d'Adobe qui publie(ait) Flash sans le certifier pour Ubuntu avant
  la version 10.04LTS, c'est normal.
 
  Pour Gnash, qui est libre, les instructions n'ont pas changé depuis
  qu'il est disponible.. Les examples abondent.
 
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[Ubuntu-QC] [Le Soleil] Semaine-clé pour le logiciel libre

2010-06-10 Thread Christophe Villemer
Extrait : « (Québec) Marie Malavoy, porte-parole de l'opposition
officielle en matière de recherche et développement et innovations
technologiques, aura l'occasion aujourd'hui de présenter, au Bureau de
l'Assemblée nationale, un projet visant à faire l'essai du logiciel
libre sur la colline parlementaire. »

à lire au complet sur :
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/science-et-technologie/201006/10/01-4288529-semaine-cle-pour-le-logiciel-libre.php?

C'est un premier pas très intéressant.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de Booble

2010-06-10 Thread Gregory Eric Sanderson
c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
recherches pour adulte oO

2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

 Bonjour le monde!

 Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
 Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...

 ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...

 ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
 faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...

 je voulais le partager...

 bonne journée!


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[Ubuntu-QC] problème avec le pavé tactile Fuji tsu LifeBook AH550

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
est-ce que quelqu'un a réussi à faire fonctionner le pavé tactile touchpad
de cet ordinateur portable Fujitsu?

ou peut-être quelqu'un a eu le même problème...

le pavé tactile ne fonctionne que comme une souris 2 boutons...

c'est à dire que les défilements vertical et horizontal ne fonctionnent pas
même s'ils sont activés dans les préférences souris/touchpad...

je ne retrouve rien de correspondant dans lsusb ni lspci... c'est bizarre...

voici lsusb:

Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1690:0741 Askey Computer Corp. [hex]
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04f2:b169 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

et lspci:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev
12)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series
Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2
Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High
Definition Audio (rev 06)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
Express Root Port 6 (rev 06)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
Express Root Port 2 (rev 06)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
Express Root Port 1 (rev 06)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2
Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev a6)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 5 Series Chipset LPC Interface
Controller (rev 06)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4
port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus
Controller (rev 06)
00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series
Chipset Thermal Subsystem (rev 06)
10:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9287 Wireless
Network Adapter (rev 01)
18:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit
Ethernet PCIe (rev 01)
48:03.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. Cardbus bridge (rev 01)
48:03.2 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MMC/SD Controller (rev
02)
48:03.3 Mass storage controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MS/xD Controller
(rev 02)
ff:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture
Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02)
ff:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture
System Address Decoder (rev 02)
ff:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Link 0 (rev 02)
ff:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Physical 0 (rev
02)
ff:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)
ff:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)

ça fait depuis le début de la semaine que je cherche et toujours rien...

donc, merci d'avance à ceux qui voudront s'y mettre...

bonne fin de journée!

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de Booble

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Bonjour Gregory,

j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que ça
lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle là...

c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...

il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...

c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je l'ai
mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais il
n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!

le site:
http://dooble.sourceforge.net/

recherche :
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=

bonne 
soirée!http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=

2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
 chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
 Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
 chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
 recherches pour adulte oO

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

  Bonjour le monde!

 Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
 Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...

 ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...

 ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
 faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...

 je voulais le partager...

 bonne journée!


 Steve

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 yet there is a slight difference between us, the musicians, and the typical
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 Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations

 Will
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 Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Gregory Eric Sanderson
2010/6/10 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com

 On 10-06-08 03:55 PM, David Tremblay wrote:
  Le 7 juin 2010 11:54, gthouingtho...@laposte.net  a écrit :
 
  Bonjour à tous.
  J'ai installé Ubuntu 10.04 .
  Pour être en mesure de lire certains documents sur le net, on me demande
 d'installer Adobe flash player 10.0.45.2 On me suggère 5 versions à
 télécharger. Laquelle dois-je choisir?
  a) Yum pour linux
  b) tar.gz pour linux
  c) rpm pour linux
  d) deb pour Ubuntu 8.04
  e) deb pour Ubuntu 9.04
 
  Merci pour votre aide.
 
  Gilles Thouin
 
 
  Dans la logithèque fais la recherche de ubuntu-restricted-extras et
  installe le pour lire de la musique et des vidéos encodés avec des
  codecs propriétaires , flash et les polices de caractères microsoft
 
 C'est pas la même version de Flash qui sera installée et un paquet
 d'autres logiciels qui ne sont pas nécessaires seront installés en même
 temps (sans compter qu'ils ne sont pas libres).


Quel sont les différences entre la version qui vient avec
ubuntu-restricted-extras et ceux dans les dépôts canonical ? quel est la
nécessité de distribuer 2 versions du même logiciel ?


 Évitons les installations qui ne sont pas nécessaires ;)


Si on est pour parler de logiciels qui ne sont pas libres, n'oublions pas
que flash lui-même ne l'est pas. Mais on l'installe quand-même parce-que
c'est une partie (malheureusement) encore nécessaire pour avoir une
expérience plus complète du web, au même titre que les autres logiciels qui
viennent avec ubuntu-restricted-extras (codecs mp3, polices microsoft, etc)
sont aussi nécessaire pour avoir une expérience plus complète sur le
desktop. C'est un dilemme qui est encore contreversé aujourd'hui : Suivre la
voie du puriste et installer AUCUN logiciel avec une license douteuse (je
pointe le doigt vers flash entre-autres ici) ou installer quelques logiciels
proproétaires qui n'ont pas encore d'équivalents libres de même qualité ?

Je ne cherche pas à partir un autre débat sur flash puisque le web est
rempli de toutes les réponses possibles sur ce sujet. Mais je trouve
important de souligner que même si flash est disponible pour installation
facile sous ubuntu, il est loin d'être libéré de contreverse


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Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Adobe flash player pour linux

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Bonsoir!

Il est tout de même disponible à l'usage pour linux comparer à plein d'autre
que les compagnies ne daignent même pas les développer sous Linux, c'est un
moindre mal...

et moi je ne suis pas un puriste, je suis un UBUNTUriste!

ce qui m'importe c'est que ça marche en Ubuntu sans wine...

bonne soirée...

2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com



 2010/6/10 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com

 On 10-06-08 03:55 PM, David Tremblay wrote:
  Le 7 juin 2010 11:54, gthouingtho...@laposte.net  a écrit :
 
  Bonjour à tous.
  J'ai installé Ubuntu 10.04 .
  Pour être en mesure de lire certains documents sur le net, on me
 demande d'installer Adobe flash player 10.0.45.2 On me suggère 5 versions à
 télécharger. Laquelle dois-je choisir?
  a) Yum pour linux
  b) tar.gz pour linux
  c) rpm pour linux
  d) deb pour Ubuntu 8.04
  e) deb pour Ubuntu 9.04
 
  Merci pour votre aide.
 
  Gilles Thouin
 
 
  Dans la logithèque fais la recherche de ubuntu-restricted-extras et
  installe le pour lire de la musique et des vidéos encodés avec des
  codecs propriétaires , flash et les polices de caractères microsoft
 
 C'est pas la même version de Flash qui sera installée et un paquet
 d'autres logiciels qui ne sont pas nécessaires seront installés en même
 temps (sans compter qu'ils ne sont pas libres).


 Quel sont les différences entre la version qui vient avec
 ubuntu-restricted-extras et ceux dans les dépôts canonical ? quel est la
 nécessité de distribuer 2 versions du même logiciel ?


 Évitons les installations qui ne sont pas nécessaires ;)


 Si on est pour parler de logiciels qui ne sont pas libres, n'oublions pas
 que flash lui-même ne l'est pas. Mais on l'installe quand-même parce-que
 c'est une partie (malheureusement) encore nécessaire pour avoir une
 expérience plus complète du web, au même titre que les autres logiciels qui
 viennent avec ubuntu-restricted-extras (codecs mp3, polices microsoft, etc)
 sont aussi nécessaire pour avoir une expérience plus complète sur le
 desktop. C'est un dilemme qui est encore contreversé aujourd'hui : Suivre la
 voie du puriste et installer AUCUN logiciel avec une license douteuse (je
 pointe le doigt vers flash entre-autres ici) ou installer quelques logiciels
 proproétaires qui n'ont pas encore d'équivalents libres de même qualité ?

 Je ne cherche pas à partir un autre débat sur flash puisque le web est
 rempli de toutes les réponses possibles sur ce sujet. Mais je trouve
 important de souligner que même si flash est disponible pour installation
 facile sous ubuntu, il est loin d'être libéré de contreverse


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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] problème avec le pavé tactile Fuji tsu LifeBook AH550

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Merci de l'info!!!

je ne connais pas ce pilote, je vais en faire l'essai, comme c'est pour une
amie, elle vient de l'acheter ce lundi, elle m'a appelé pour lui installer
Ubuntu à la place de Windows7, elle n'y connais rien et elle capote au
bout! elle adore, mais comme je l'ai dit, elle n'y connais rien... sauf que
je ne l'ai jamais vu auparavant passer autant de temps dans un ordi à
vouloir tout essayer... et elle s'amuse...

je vais aller la voir en fin de semaine pour vérifier ce pilote...

bonne soirée encore!



2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 il y a des chances que ça soit un pavé tactile fonctionnant avec le driver
 synaptics. As tu essayé de chercher pour les options de configuration pour
 ce driver ?

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

 est-ce que quelqu'un a réussi à faire fonctionner le pavé tactile
 touchpad de cet ordinateur portable Fujitsu?

 ou peut-être quelqu'un a eu le même problème...

 le pavé tactile ne fonctionne que comme une souris 2 boutons...

 c'est à dire que les défilements vertical et horizontal ne fonctionnent
 pas même s'ils sont activés dans les préférences souris/touchpad...

 je ne retrouve rien de correspondant dans lsusb ni lspci... c'est
 bizarre...

 voici lsusb:

 Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1690:0741 Askey Computer Corp. [hex]
 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04f2:b169 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020
 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

 et lspci:

 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev
 12)
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series
 Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset
 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High
 Definition Audio (rev 06)
 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
 Express Root Port 6 (rev 06)
 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
 Express Root Port 2 (rev 06)
 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
 Express Root Port 1 (rev 06)
 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset
 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev a6)
 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 5 Series Chipset LPC
 Interface Controller (rev 06)
 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4
 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06)
 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus
 Controller (rev 06)
 00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400
 Series Chipset Thermal Subsystem (rev 06)
 10:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9287 Wireless
 Network Adapter (rev 01)
 18:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit
 Ethernet PCIe (rev 01)
 48:03.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. Cardbus bridge (rev 01)
 48:03.2 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MMC/SD Controller
 (rev 02)
 48:03.3 Mass storage controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MS/xD
 Controller (rev 02)
 ff:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath
 Architecture Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02)
 ff:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath
 Architecture System Address Decoder (rev 02)
 ff:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Link 0 (rev 02)
 ff:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Physical 0 (rev
 02)
 ff:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)
 ff:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)

 ça fait depuis le début de la semaine que je cherche et toujours rien...

 donc, merci d'avance à ceux qui voudront s'y mettre...

 bonne fin de journée!

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] problème avec le pavé tactile Fuji tsu LifeBook AH550

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Salut encore!
en cherchant synaptics touchpad avec le modèle d'ordi, je suis tombé sur une
page de test et c'est indiqué:
The touchpad included on the LifeBook AH550 is a mid-sized ALPS model with
some multitouch capabilities.

donc je continue en ce sens, merci encore!


2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 il y a des chances que ça soit un pavé tactile fonctionnant avec le driver
 synaptics. As tu essayé de chercher pour les options de configuration pour
 ce driver ?

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

 est-ce que quelqu'un a réussi à faire fonctionner le pavé tactile
 touchpad de cet ordinateur portable Fujitsu?

 ou peut-être quelqu'un a eu le même problème...

 le pavé tactile ne fonctionne que comme une souris 2 boutons...

 c'est à dire que les défilements vertical et horizontal ne fonctionnent
 pas même s'ils sont activés dans les préférences souris/touchpad...

 je ne retrouve rien de correspondant dans lsusb ni lspci... c'est
 bizarre...

 voici lsusb:

 Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1690:0741 Askey Computer Corp. [hex]
 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04f2:b169 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020
 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

 et lspci:

 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev
 12)
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series
 Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset
 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High
 Definition Audio (rev 06)
 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
 Express Root Port 6 (rev 06)
 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
 Express Root Port 2 (rev 06)
 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI
 Express Root Port 1 (rev 06)
 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset
 USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev a6)
 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 5 Series Chipset LPC
 Interface Controller (rev 06)
 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4
 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06)
 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus
 Controller (rev 06)
 00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400
 Series Chipset Thermal Subsystem (rev 06)
 10:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9287 Wireless
 Network Adapter (rev 01)
 18:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit
 Ethernet PCIe (rev 01)
 48:03.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. Cardbus bridge (rev 01)
 48:03.2 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MMC/SD Controller
 (rev 02)
 48:03.3 Mass storage controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Integrated MS/xD
 Controller (rev 02)
 ff:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath
 Architecture Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02)
 ff:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath
 Architecture System Address Decoder (rev 02)
 ff:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Link 0 (rev 02)
 ff:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Physical 0 (rev
 02)
 ff:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)
 ff:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)

 ça fait depuis le début de la semaine que je cherche et toujours rien...

 donc, merci d'avance à ceux qui voudront s'y mettre...

 bonne fin de journée!

 Steve

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 Will
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 Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de DOOBLE

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Bonsoir Gilbert!

là n'était pas le but!

comme je l'ai mentionné, c'est par pur hazard que je suis tombé dessus
dans la logithèque et par curiosité...
Iron ne fait pas parti des dépôt et je l'ai regardé l'autre jour et il
ne m'a pas accroché, rien de plus rien de moins...

et le sujet était DOODLE pas IRON, par erreur je l'ai écrit Booble... désolé!

bonne soirée!


2010/6/10, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
 Dans le même ordre d'idées, pourquoi pas Iron, «le navigateur Chrome sans
 Google»?

 http://www.keeg.fr/2009/05/14/srware-iron-le-navigateur-chrome-sans-google/

 Gilbert



 Le 10 juin 2010 19:52, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gregory,

 j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que ça
 lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle là...

 c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...

 il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...

 c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je l'ai
 mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais il
 n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!

 le site:
 http://dooble.sourceforge.net/

 recherche :

 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=

 bonne soirée!

 2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
 chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
 Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
 chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
 recherches pour adulte oO

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

  Bonjour le monde!

 Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
 Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...

 ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...

 ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
 faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...

 je voulais le partager...

 bonne journée!


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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de DOOBLE

2010-06-10 Thread Gilbert Dion
Salut, Steve,

Je sais bien. Mais tu as quand même mentionné dans ton premier post ceci:

«c'est en fait un Chrome / Chromium en anonyme [...] quelle bonne affaire de
ne pas se faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée»

C'est pourquoi j'ai pensé à Iron, qui répond un peu à ça, non? J'aurais dû
écrire: «Incidemment, ça me fait penser à Iron...» ;)

Gilbert



Le 10 juin 2010 20:26, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonsoir Gilbert!

 là n'était pas le but!

 comme je l'ai mentionné, c'est par pur hazard que je suis tombé dessus
 dans la logithèque et par curiosité...
 Iron ne fait pas parti des dépôt et je l'ai regardé l'autre jour et il
 ne m'a pas accroché, rien de plus rien de moins...

 et le sujet était DOODLE pas IRON, par erreur je l'ai écrit Booble...
 désolé!

 bonne soirée!


 2010/6/10, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
  Dans le même ordre d'idées, pourquoi pas Iron, «le navigateur Chrome sans
  Google»?
 
 
 http://www.keeg.fr/2009/05/14/srware-iron-le-navigateur-chrome-sans-google/
 
  Gilbert
 
 
 
  Le 10 juin 2010 19:52, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
  Bonjour Gregory,
 
  j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que
 ça
  lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle là...
 
  c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...
 
  il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...
 
  c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je
 l'ai
  mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais
 il
  n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!
 
  le site:
  http://dooble.sourceforge.net/
 
  recherche :
 
 
 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=
 
  bonne soirée!
 
  2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com
 
  c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
  chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
  Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
  chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
  recherches pour adulte oO
 
  2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com
 
   Bonjour le monde!
 
  Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
  Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...
 
  ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...
 
  ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
  faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...
 
  je voulais le partager...
 
  bonne journée!
 
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de DOOBLE

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
y'a pas de trouble...

moi j'ai simpleme pensé au fait que c'est un nouveau dans les paquets qui se
base sur chrome...

bon, à la poursuite de nouvelles découvertes...

bonne soirée!!!

2010/6/10 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Salut, Steve,

 Je sais bien. Mais tu as quand même mentionné dans ton premier post ceci:

 «c'est en fait un Chrome / Chromium en anonyme [...] quelle bonne affaire
 de ne pas se faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée»

 C'est pourquoi j'ai pensé à Iron, qui répond un peu à ça, non? J'aurais dû
 écrire: «Incidemment, ça me fait penser à Iron...» ;)

 Gilbert



 Le 10 juin 2010 20:26, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonsoir Gilbert!

 là n'était pas le but!

 comme je l'ai mentionné, c'est par pur hazard que je suis tombé dessus
 dans la logithèque et par curiosité...
 Iron ne fait pas parti des dépôt et je l'ai regardé l'autre jour et il
 ne m'a pas accroché, rien de plus rien de moins...

 et le sujet était DOODLE pas IRON, par erreur je l'ai écrit Booble...
 désolé!

 bonne soirée!


 2010/6/10, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
  Dans le même ordre d'idées, pourquoi pas Iron, «le navigateur Chrome
 sans
  Google»?
 
 
 http://www.keeg.fr/2009/05/14/srware-iron-le-navigateur-chrome-sans-google/
 
  Gilbert
 
 
 
  Le 10 juin 2010 19:52, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
  Bonjour Gregory,
 
  j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que
 ça
  lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle
 là...
 
  c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...
 
  il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...
 
  c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je
 l'ai
  mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais
 il
  n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!
 
  le site:
  http://dooble.sourceforge.net/
 
  recherche :
 
 
 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=
 
  bonne soirée!
 
  2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com
 
  c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un
 plugin
  chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
  Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
  chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
  recherches pour adulte oO
 
  2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com
 
   Bonjour le monde!
 
  Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait
 un
  Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...
 
  ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...
 
  ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
  faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...
 
  je voulais le partager...
 
  bonne journée!
 
 
  Steve
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de Booble

2010-06-10 Thread Gregory Eric Sanderson
Mais pourtant il existe déja un navigateur chrome sans google, ça s'appelle
chromium !

chromium != chrome

2010/6/10 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Dans le même ordre d'idées, pourquoi pas Iron, «le navigateur Chrome sans
 Google»?

 http://www.keeg.fr/2009/05/14/srware-iron-le-navigateur-chrome-sans-google/

 Gilbert



 Le 10 juin 2010 19:52, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gregory,

 j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que ça
 lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle là...

 c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...

 il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...

 c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je l'ai
 mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais il
 n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!

 le site:
 http://dooble.sourceforge.net/

 recherche :

 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=

 bonne soirée!

 2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
 chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
 Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
 chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
 recherches pour adulte oO

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

  Bonjour le monde!

 Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
 Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...

 ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...

 ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
 faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...

 je voulais le partager...

 bonne journée!


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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de Booble

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Nadeau
Salut!

pourtant mon premier message était clair!
..
Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...
...

2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 Mais pourtant il existe déja un navigateur chrome sans google, ça s'appelle
 chromium !

 chromium != chrome

 2010/6/10 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Dans le même ordre d'idées, pourquoi pas Iron, «le navigateur Chrome sans
 Google»?


 http://www.keeg.fr/2009/05/14/srware-iron-le-navigateur-chrome-sans-google/

 Gilbert



 Le 10 juin 2010 19:52, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gregory,

 j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que
 ça lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle là...

 c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...

 il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...

 c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je
 l'ai mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais
 il n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!

 le site:
 http://dooble.sourceforge.net/

 recherche :

 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=

 bonne soirée!

 2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
 chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
 Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
 chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
 recherches pour adulte oO

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

  Bonjour le monde!

 Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
 Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...

 ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...

 ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
 faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...

 je voulais le partager...

 bonne journée!


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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] essai de Booble

2010-06-10 Thread Gilbert Dion
Chrome = Chromium + le logo de Google. En fait, c'est un petit peu plus
compliqué que ça. Voir ici:
http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-google.html

Gilbert



Le 10 juin 2010 21:54, Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Mais pourtant il existe déja un navigateur chrome sans google, ça s'appelle
 chromium !

 chromium != chrome

 2010/6/10 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Dans le même ordre d'idées, pourquoi pas Iron, «le navigateur Chrome sans
 Google»?


 http://www.keeg.fr/2009/05/14/srware-iron-le-navigateur-chrome-sans-google/

 Gilbert



 Le 10 juin 2010 19:52, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gregory,

 j'ai corrigé le nom dans un autre message lorsque quelqu'un m'a dit que
 ça lui retournait des sites pornos... woow vraiment pas pensé à celle là...

 c'est DOOBLE, il est dans les dépôts...

 il y a aussi le site, voir dans l'aide et dans la logithèque...

 c'est en version 0.07, donc très loin d'une version complète, mais je
 l'ai mis à l'essai en masse, pour le moment, aucun vidéo ne fonctionne, mais
 il n'y a plus de pub ciblé! et en général, c'est ce qui me plait le plus!

 le site:
 http://dooble.sourceforge.net/

 recherche :

 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=frq=DOOBLE+ubuntuaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=

 bonne soirée!

 2010/6/10 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com

 c'est bel et bien un navigateur séparé de chromium ? ou est-ce un plugin
 chromium ? ça nous prend des liens !
 Une recherche sur google pour 'booble', 'booble web brower' ou 'booble
 chrome' ne fait que me retourner des résultats à propos de moteur de
 recherches pour adulte oO

 2010/6/10 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

  Bonjour le monde!

 Je fais l'essai de ce navigateur web depuis ce matin, c'est en fait un
 Chrome / Chromium en anonyme...

 ouvrez GMail avec et voyez la différence...

 ça ne renvoit RIEN aux serveurs... quelle bonne affaire de ne pas se
 faire achaler avec de la pub ciblée...

 je voulais le partager...

 bonne journée!


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[ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
A couple of weeks ago, I posted about problems I was having, and one of 
those was recovery, though the grub. Didnt matter what kernel I clicked 
on it froze and nothing happened.

This week, we had a partial upgrade, which cleaned up my grub for me, 
removing all but two kernels. Problem is, I tried to see if I could  get 
the recovery bit to work, and it still freezes.

Somebody posted they would make up a vid on how to get the recovery 
thing working. Does anybody know how I can get it working?

Thanks.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Canon PIXMA iP2500 error codes

2010-06-10 Thread Wulfy
On 09/06/10 08:35, Colin Law wrote:
 For my ip4300 this information is in the manual, which is provided on
 CD as an installable windows package, not as paper.  Luckily it
 installs and runs happily in Wine on Ubuntu.  Or at least it did until
 I just went to open it to see what 7 flashes means on the 4300, now it
 won't run.  Damn.

I tried to look at the manual on the driver disk I have and found I 
couldn't access it either...  :@(

 Since you changed a cartridge have you checked that the lights on the
 cartridge holder are not flashing?  Assuming it has them of course.


I can't see any lights apart from the two on the top of the machine.
 That has probably been no help at all, sorry.


Thank you for trying.  It did give me some ideas even if they didn't 
play out.  I assumed it was something to do with the cartridge and took 
it out. Flashing pattern changed [1/1].  Put it back in and it changed 
again to a different pattern than before [1/5].  Seems the printer can't 
make up its mind what's wrong...

 Does anyone have any idea what the printer is trying to tell me Why
 do printer manufacturers have to make things so cryptic?
  
 It saves on the cost of the printer I suppose.

 Colin


Again, thanks Colin.  You'd think with the obscene profits they make 
from ink, they could afford to put a simple text screen on the damn thing!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Canon PIXMA iP2500 error codes

2010-06-10 Thread Wulfy
On 09/06/10 15:28, Jack Cheesman wrote:
 For Pixma ip3600:
   From onscreen manual:

 Seven Flashes:
 Ink tank is not installed in the correct
 position.

 Some ink tanks are not installed in the correct position.
 (The lamps on the ink tanks flash.)
 More than one ink tanks of the same color are installed.
 (The lamps on the ink tanks flash.)
 Confirm that the ink tanks are installed in the appropriate
 positions.


 Hope that helps
 Jack



Thanks, Jack!

As  mentioned to Colin, there are no lights but the top ones on my 
printer.  My printer has two tanks, one black, one colour. I'm not sure 
it's possible to mix them up as they are of different sizes...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Canon PIXMA iP2500 error codes

2010-06-10 Thread Colin Law
On 10 June 2010 08:21, Wulfy wulfm...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 On 09/06/10 08:35, Colin Law wrote:
 For my ip4300 this information is in the manual, which is provided on
 CD as an installable windows package, not as paper.  Luckily it
 installs and runs happily in Wine on Ubuntu.  Or at least it did until
 I just went to open it to see what 7 flashes means on the 4300, now it
 won't run.  Damn.

 I tried to look at the manual on the driver disk I have and found I
 couldn't access it either...  :@(

If it is a windows application to view the manual then you need to
install Wine first, then (with luck) you will be able to install and
view the manual s/w.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] fail2ban custom iptables rules

2010-06-10 Thread Chris Rowson
 Hi Chris,

 It certainly is. Attached are samples of my iptables-restore and fail2ban
 configs for hardy-based servers.

Hi Tyler,

Thanks for taking the time to share your config, I really appreciate it! :-)

Thanks,

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[ubuntu-uk] Home brew for WiFi network routers

2010-06-10 Thread Cornelius Mostert
Hi
I know about tomato and one or two others but was wondering:
1. I did not buy the hard ware as yet so this should not be a problem.
2. I would like to connect 2 or more WiFi routers together WIRELESSLY
3. I do not need the routers to be on different subnets BUT might have 1 or
2 on different subnets
4. What home brew do you consider to be the best for replacing firmware on
the WiFi routers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home brew for WiFi network routers

2010-06-10 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 10 June 2010 11:46, Cornelius Mostert corneliusmost...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi
 I know about tomato and one or two others but was wondering:
 1. I did not buy the hard ware as yet so this should not be a problem.
 2. I would like to connect 2 or more WiFi routers together WIRELESSLY
 3. I do not need the routers to be on different subnets BUT might have 1 or
 2 on different subnets
 4. What home brew do you consider to be the best for replacing firmware on
 the WiFi routers


OpenWRT is the best supported to my knowledge, and there are plenty of
recipes around for it, including building mesh networks.

Wireless Distribution System is a common method of interconnecting multiple
routers but doesn't work between different vendors.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home brew for WiFi network routers

2010-06-10 Thread Jim Price
Simon Greenwood wrote:
 On 10 June 2010 11:46, Cornelius Mostert 
 corneliusmost...@googlemail.comwrote:
 
 Hi
 I know about tomato and one or two others but was wondering:
 1. I did not buy the hard ware as yet so this should not be a problem.
 2. I would like to connect 2 or more WiFi routers together WIRELESSLY
 3. I do not need the routers to be on different subnets BUT might have 1 or
 2 on different subnets
 4. What home brew do you consider to be the best for replacing firmware on
 the WiFi routers


 OpenWRT is the best supported to my knowledge, and there are plenty of
 recipes around for it, including building mesh networks.
 
 Wireless Distribution System is a common method of interconnecting multiple
 routers but doesn't work between different vendors.

I have WDS working between Netgear and Tenda routers here, without 
having to use custom firmware. Buying hardware from the same 
manufacturer might improve the chances of avoiding compatibility 
problems, but is no guarantee that they can be linked with WDS. I have 
another Netgear router here which will not do WDS at all. Look for WDS 
support in the router specs if buying new hardware to do this.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home brew for WiFi network routers

2010-06-10 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 10 June 2010 12:47, Jim Price d1vers...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Simon Greenwood wrote:
  On 10 June 2010 11:46, Cornelius Mostert 
 corneliusmost...@googlemail.comwrote:
 
  Hi
  I know about tomato and one or two others but was wondering:
  1. I did not buy the hard ware as yet so this should not be a problem.
  2. I would like to connect 2 or more WiFi routers together WIRELESSLY
  3. I do not need the routers to be on different subnets BUT might have 1
 or
  2 on different subnets
  4. What home brew do you consider to be the best for replacing firmware
 on
  the WiFi routers
 
 
  OpenWRT is the best supported to my knowledge, and there are plenty of
  recipes around for it, including building mesh networks.
 
  Wireless Distribution System is a common method of interconnecting
 multiple
  routers but doesn't work between different vendors.

 I have WDS working between Netgear and Tenda routers here, without
 having to use custom firmware. Buying hardware from the same
 manufacturer might improve the chances of avoiding compatibility
 problems, but is no guarantee that they can be linked with WDS. I have
 another Netgear router here which will not do WDS at all. Look for WDS
 support in the router specs if buying new hardware to do this.


You're right, I missed an 'always' there. If I had the option I would try
and build a mesh using OpenWRT routers but my Airport Expresses talk happily
to each other using WDS (although they don't seem to talk to anything else).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home brew for WiFi network routers

2010-06-10 Thread Rob Beard
On 10/06/10 11:46, Cornelius Mostert wrote:
 Hi
 I know about tomato and one or two others but was wondering:
 1. I did not buy the hard ware as yet so this should not be a problem.
 2. I would like to connect 2 or more WiFi routers together WIRELESSLY
 3. I do not need the routers to be on different subnets BUT might have 1
 or 2 on different subnets
 4. What home brew do you consider to be the best for replacing firmware
 on the WiFi routers


If it's just a case of connecting two wireless routers together (for 
instance to link two areas in a building wirelessly because sticking 
cables in isn't an option) then you can possibly get away with something 
like this (although I believe it won't run anything like DD-WRT/Tomato etc):

http://tinyurl.com/2f7sjwt

As far as home brew router software goes, I personally like DD-WRT, it's 
got a nice easy to use clean interface and workes well on my two Linksys 
devices (a WRT54G and a single ethernet port wireless access point). 
I've also tried OpenWRT which also worked pretty well.  I did try Tomato 
but didn't get on with it, but that's not to say you won't though, I 
think it was just a case of I was looking for a quick easy solution.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 08:20, John Matthews wrote:
 A couple of weeks ago, I posted about problems I was having, and one 
 of those was recovery, though the grub. Didnt matter what kernel I 
 clicked on it froze and nothing happened.

 This week, we had a partial upgrade, which cleaned up my grub for me, 
 removing all but two kernels. Problem is, I tried to see if I could  
 get the recovery bit to work, and it still freezes.

 Somebody posted they would make up a vid on how to get the recovery 
 thing working. Does anybody know how I can get it working?

 Thanks.

 John


Ok, I posted this almost 12 hours ago, I just wondered can somebody help 
please?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 10/06/10 19:08, John Matthews wrote:
snip /

 Ok, I posted this almost 12 hours ago, I just wondered can somebody help
 please?

Hi John,

we are all volunteers and normal people on this list offering advice 
for free.

If someone has a suggestion to help you I'm sure they will read and 
respond when they can.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] PHP security

2010-06-10 Thread Chris Rowson
 I'm migrating a web server with a few sites from a CentOS based VPS
 with a DirectAdmin control panel to an Ubuntu Lucid server. I'm not
 incredibly bothered about losing the control panel, but I wondered if
 anyone had any advice on securing PHP scripts so that scripts owned by
 separate 'site owners' don't interfere with one and other.

 I've looked at suPHP  ITK-MPM but as I've not used either before I'm
 not sure of the pros and cons.

 Anyone out there running this kind of setup with any advice to offer?

 If you intend to run more than one site from this server, you might consider
 installing webmin and virtualmin. It'll make this easier.

 Install the apache2-suexec package if all web files are under /var/www and 
 if
 you want PHP scripts to run as the user (site owner). If your files will be
 elsewhere, such as /home/domainname, install apache2-suexec-custom and
 configure it for the appropriate root.

 You'll need to run PHP as cgi or fastcgi. That means no Apache PHP module, and
 using the Apache worker or ITK MPM.

 Regards,
 Tyler

Thanks again Tyler, I'm going to have to start paying you consultancy!

I'll do some reading up on this. I've not really had to worry about
random users hosing a server with a dodgy php script before so it's
great to have somewhere to start!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On Thursday 10 June 2010 23:44:29 Alan Bell wrote:
 ah, interesting, this is new information. A fresh install of Lucid does
 not show grub at all unless you hold shift, although thinking about it
 it might have to for dual boot setups. At the top of the grub screen it
 should list the version number of grub. Does it start with 1.98?

Grub2 shows a boot menu if it detects more than one operating system. 
Otherwise it is hidden as you say.  In this case it's detecting his WinXP 
partition and therefore showing a boot menu.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 19:33, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
 On 10/06/10 19:08, John Matthews wrote:
 snip /

 Ok, I posted this almost 12 hours ago, I just wondered can somebody help
 please?
  
 Hi John,

 we are all volunteers and normal people on this list offering advice
 for free.

 If someone has a suggestion to help you I'm sure they will read and
 respond when they can.

 Alan




Thank you Alan, the thing is though, I asked this question 2 or 3 weeks 
ago, and I'm still waiting from then, so in effect this question is over 
two weeks old.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Bill Cumming
On 10 June 2010 23:28, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote:

 On 10/06/10 23:21, Alan Bell wrote:
  John Matthews wrote:
 
  Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you. What I have told is all that
  happens. I click on the recover link under the kernal when in the grub,
  and it freezes after about 20 secs. Nothing else happens, no script
  comes up, no other boxes, I cannot get into a terminal. It just freezes.
  That is all that happens. So if something happens again, when I update
  to do a partial upgrade, I cant do anything to fix it, as I done have
  access to recovery when booting.
 
  Please excuse me when I ask, what value is there, for me to post about
  similar bugs. I just dont understand what that will do to help. I am
  just telling you exactly what happens on my pc. Please help me to
  understand what that will do to help you, then I will try to find those
  similar bugs again.
 
  John
 
 
 
  As well as you providing helpful information to the developers about how
  you have reproduced a bug if you can find one that is similar there are
  often suggestions in the comments of bugs (or answers) which may give me
  a clue as to what is going on with your problem, and how to fix it, even
  if they don't sound that helpful to you.
 
  So if you just turn on the PC it normally boots straight to the login
  screen, you only see grub if you hold down shift whilst powering up?
 
  Alan.
 
 


 The grub appears as its booting up. It has a list of two kernels with
 recvoery underneath and a few other things, including the xp partition,
 that I tried getting help for months ago, but that didnt get anywhere
 either. I then learnt by accident, that this grub had a bug, which wasnt
 posted about until after I had done the partition, and screwed it up the
 first time, and tried again, giving myself two ubuntu partitions and an
 xp partition, if you added more than two things to a partition it
 screwed up the windows partiition. When I initially did the partition,
 it f**D up my xp, which was just installed by the people who
 repaired my pc. So I can only use Ubuntu on this pc. Screwed there.

 The kernels are Ubuntu 2.6.32-22 and .21, Plus a couple of other things
 like I already posted about.

 Sorry, I am too tired, been at this for way too long.



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Hi
Have you tried removing *splash  quiet form the recovery boot options?
You might get some extra error messages that may help...

(Press e in the grub menu when Recovery line is highlighted)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:



 I have actually asked if I could get some paid help, and all I got was 
 this pre written e-mail sent telling nothing useful.

 John

   

Another thing you could do if you want a more interactive conversation
(which the rapid emails indicate that you might) is to get on to IRC and
join the #ubuntu-uk channel. There is a much better chance of someone
walking through a longer procedure (like chroot from a live CD as I see
on an old email) interactively than trying to describe all the steps in
an email. I think we should be more willing to bump people from email to
IRC when a problem needs interactivity to solve it.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IRC

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 19:33, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
 On 10/06/10 19:08, John Matthews wrote:
 snip /

 Ok, I posted this almost 12 hours ago, I just wondered can somebody help
 please?
  
 Hi John,

 we are all volunteers and normal people on this list offering advice
 for free.

 If someone has a suggestion to help you I'm sure they will read and
 respond when they can.

 Alan




It also kind of negates this 'Improving Support' thread really, doesnt 
it, nothing has really changed has it, the same thing comes across, you 
are all 'just' volunteers, which you do push down peoples throats. I 
wish I could something about it, I would like to be able to help, but I 
cant, I dont know enough, which makes things things kind awkward.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 Yes, but unfortunately, that hasnt been a very good option for me 
 either. I prefer the e-mail to be honest.

 John

   

Email is good when you just want one answer to a question. If you want
someone to help you do something then IRC is better. People don't reply
to emails saying I have no idea because it isn't a particularly useful
response and a few hours later someone else might read it who knows
exactly what is going on.
So your current situation is that you have a working Ubuntu
installation, but if you hold shift to get to the grub menu there is
some kind of issue with the recovery console. It isn't clear to me why
you are attempting to go to the recovery console if the main desktop
works. So far I think you have described the issue with the recovery
console as a total freeze, with no additional information available upon
which to base a diagnosis.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 21:19, Alan Bell wrote:
 John Matthews wrote:

 Yes, but unfortunately, that hasnt been a very good option for me
 either. I prefer the e-mail to be honest.

 John


  
 Email is good when you just want one answer to a question. If you want
 someone to help you do something then IRC is better. People don't reply
 to emails saying I have no idea because it isn't a particularly useful
 response and a few hours later someone else might read it who knows
 exactly what is going on.
 So your current situation is that you have a working Ubuntu
 installation, but if you hold shift to get to the grub menu there is
 some kind of issue with the recovery console. It isn't clear to me why
 you are attempting to go to the recovery console if the main desktop
 works. So far I think you have described the issue with the recovery
 console as a total freeze, with no additional information available upon
 which to base a diagnosis.

 Alan.




Unfortunately. that is all that happens, you click on the recovery link, 
and it goes black, then it freezes, and you cant do anything at all 
after. That goes for each kernel recovery link. Until that update a 
couple of weeks ago it worked.

The reason I want it to work, is on a couple of occasions after updates, 
I havent been able to get the desktop to load, and I have managed by 
going into the recovery, to fix it. So being without it now, is a bit 
useless really.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 19:33, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
 On 10/06/10 19:08, John Matthews wrote:
 snip /

 Ok, I posted this almost 12 hours ago, I just wondered can somebody help
 please?
  
 Hi John,

 we are all volunteers and normal people on this list offering advice
 for free.

 If someone has a suggestion to help you I'm sure they will read and
 respond when they can.

 Alan




As well as that, if I remember correctly, and unless that person was 
extracting the michael (taking the piss for those who dont know), a 
certain person, and I cant remember what it is called, said they would 
make a video, to try show me how to try and fix it. I am very aware of 
the fact that you are all volunteers on here, its been mentioned on 
quite a few occasions.

Thank you anyway, I really appreciate the help.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 It also kind of negates this 'Improving Support' thread really, doesnt 
 it, nothing has really changed has it, the same thing comes across, you 
 are all 'just' volunteers, which you do push down peoples throats. I 
 wish I could something about it, I would like to be able to help, but I 
 cant, I dont know enough, which makes things things kind awkward.

 John

   
One interesting effect of the group support vs one on one support is
that with group support if there is some weird problem that nobody
understands (which may be down to the way it is described) then you get
silence as a response, rather than I haven't got the foggiest idea what
is going on which you might get with individual support. You can
respond to silence by adding information such as things you have tried
but didn't work. You also get people dipping in to the conversation, I
for example have no recollection of what you were talking about several
weeks ago. Sounds like you have some kind of issue booting though. Does
a live CD work? could you reinstall? maybe install again as a dual boot?
Is there any suspicious hardware involved? (unplug everything that you
possibly can with it still able to boot)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 20:50, Alan Bell wrote:
 One interesting effect of the group support vs one on one support is
 that with group support if there is some weird problem that nobody
 understands (which may be down to the way it is described) then you get
 silence as a response, rather than I haven't got the foggiest idea what
 is going on which you might get with individual support. You can
 respond to silence by adding information such as things you have tried
 but didn't work. You also get people dipping in to the conversation, I
 for example have no recollection of what you were talking about several
 weeks ago. Sounds like you have some kind of issue booting though. Does
 a live CD work? could you reinstall? maybe install again as a dual boot?
 Is there any suspicious hardware involved? (unplug everything that you
 possibly can with it still able to boot)

 Alan.



Hi Alan,

thank you for your response. You see, the way it should be looked at 
isnt just not replaying at all, it should be somebody saying what the 
hell you are talking about, at least then, it doesnt look like you are 
being ignored.

I cant exactly remember myself now, but I think it was after an update, 
and things wouldnt boot up, it got to me signing in and then nothing. It 
worked after about 4 attempts and logging into a really early kernal, 
but I coudnt get into the rescue bit, it froze. I ended up upgrading 
again from that early kernal, and it seemed to work ok. I can boot now, 
and after the partial upgrade of this week, its cleaned up my grub, but 
even that has not fixed the rescue bit. I try to get into it, and it 
just freezes and all I can do is use the button on the front of the pc 
to get things back up and running.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:

 What is the point of having IRC chat and this e-mail chat, when nobody 
 is prepared to help. Its kind of really a piss take when you get threads 
 that talk about changing the way support is given, but all you get is 
 those same people can just barely post to take you to task, yet they 
 cant be bothered to post to help.
   
I am not observing a lack of willingness to help, however I am observing
a lack of ability to help based on the information provided.
 Launchpad, well that is a joke too. You go through, and find out all the 
 things that I have asked about on there, and you will find the same 
 results as here, posts gone unanswered. So you will have to excuse me, 
 if I dont bother.
   
Can you point me at some bug numbers please which you believe have the
same symptoms as you are experiencing. If you click the me too link at
the top of a bug it helps the developers to understand how common a
scenario is which is important because it indicates how reproduceable a
problem might be.
 The only reason I bother coming back is cause I cant not use Ubuntu, I 
 just cant afford it to reformat everything. Believe me, I dislike doing 
 this even more than you do.

 If I could learn I would do it myself. I would even try to help. But I 
 cant. So I am stuck.
   

I would encourage you to take steps that would lead to more information
being available, the more information you can provide the more likely it
is that someone will understand what is occurring. Installing a small
dual boot partition might provide interesting additional information.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 23:00, Chris Rowson wrote:
 What is the point of having IRC chat and this e-mail chat, when nobody
 is prepared to help. Its kind of really a piss take when you get threads
 that talk about changing the way support is given, but all you get is
 those same people can just barely post to take you to task, yet they
 cant be bothered to post to help.

 Launchpad, well that is a joke too. You go through, and find out all the
 things that I have asked about on there, and you will find the same
 results as here, posts gone unanswered. So you will have to excuse me,
 if I dont bother.

 The only reason I bother coming back is cause I cant not use Ubuntu, I
 just cant afford it to reformat everything. Believe me, I dislike doing
 this even more than you do.

 If I could learn I would do it myself. I would even try to help. But I
 cant. So I am stuck.

  
 Sorry, does that mean that you've tried using the answers system or not?

 Chris




Yes I have tried using the answer system, and posting questions, but 
havent been able to get an answer. I got told a couple of weeks ago 
somebody on here had an answer, and was going to post a video to help. 
But, as I posted earlier, nothing has been done, which is why a couple 
of weeks later, I was asking again. To be told that your too busy, cause 
your all volunteers. You will have to excuse me for being so pissed off, 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 23:04, Alan Bell wrote:
 I would encourage you to take steps that would lead to more information
 being available, the more information you can provide the more likely it
 is that someone will understand what is occurring. Installing a small
 dual boot partition might provide interesting additional information.



Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you. What I have told is all that 
happens. I click on the recover link under the kernal when in the grub, 
and it freezes after about 20 secs. Nothing else happens, no script 
comes up, no other boxes, I cannot get into a terminal. It just freezes. 
That is all that happens. So if something happens again, when I update 
to do a partial upgrade, I cant do anything to fix it, as I done have 
access to recovery when booting.

Please excuse me when I ask, what value is there, for me to post about 
similar bugs. I just dont understand what that will do to help. I am 
just telling you exactly what happens on my pc. Please help me to 
understand what that will do to help you, then I will try to find those 
similar bugs again.

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[ubuntu-uk] PHP security

2010-06-10 Thread Chris Rowson
Hello server admins!

I'm migrating a web server with a few sites from a CentOS based VPS
with a DirectAdmin control panel to an Ubuntu Lucid server. I'm not
incredibly bothered about losing the control panel, but I wondered if
anyone had any advice on securing PHP scripts so that scripts owned by
separate 'site owners' don't interfere with one and other.

I've looked at suPHP  ITK-MPM but as I've not used either before I'm
not sure of the pros and cons.

Anyone out there running this kind of setup with any advice to offer?

As always, thanks in advance :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:



 The grub appears as its booting up. It has a list of two kernels with 
 recvoery underneath and a few other things, including the xp partition, 
 that I tried getting help for months ago, but that didnt get anywhere 
 either. I then learnt by accident, that this grub had a bug, which wasnt 
 posted about until after I had done the partition, and screwed it up the 
 first time, and tried again, giving myself two ubuntu partitions and an 
 xp partition, if you added more than two things to a partition it 
 screwed up the windows partiition. When I initially did the partition, 
 it f**D up my xp, which was just installed by the people who 
 repaired my pc. So I can only use Ubuntu on this pc. Screwed there.

 The kernels are Ubuntu 2.6.32-22 and .21, Plus a couple of other things 
 like I already posted about.

 Sorry, I am too tired, been at this for way too long.



   

ah, interesting, this is new information. A fresh install of Lucid does
not show grub at all unless you hold shift, although thinking about it
it might have to for dual boot setups. At the top of the grub screen it
should list the version number of grub. Does it start with 1.98?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] PHP security

2010-06-10 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On Thursday 10 June 2010 23:19:28 Chris Rowson wrote:
 I'm migrating a web server with a few sites from a CentOS based VPS
 with a DirectAdmin control panel to an Ubuntu Lucid server. I'm not
 incredibly bothered about losing the control panel, but I wondered if
 anyone had any advice on securing PHP scripts so that scripts owned by
 separate 'site owners' don't interfere with one and other.
 
 I've looked at suPHP  ITK-MPM but as I've not used either before I'm
 not sure of the pros and cons.
 
 Anyone out there running this kind of setup with any advice to offer?

If you intend to run more than one site from this server, you might consider 
installing webmin and virtualmin. It'll make this easier.

Install the apache2-suexec package if all web files are under /var/www and if 
you want PHP scripts to run as the user (site owner). If your files will be 
elsewhere, such as /home/domainname, install apache2-suexec-custom and 
configure it for the appropriate root.

You'll need to run PHP as cgi or fastcgi. That means no Apache PHP module, and 
using the Apache worker or ITK MPM.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 21:19, Alan Bell wrote:
 Email is good when you just want one answer to a question. If you want
 someone to help you do something then IRC is better. People don't reply
 to emails saying I have no idea because it isn't a particularly useful
 response and a few hours later someone else might read it who knows
 exactly what is going on.
 So your current situation is that you have a working Ubuntu
 installation, but if you hold shift to get to the grub menu there is
 some kind of issue with the recovery console. It isn't clear to me why
 you are attempting to go to the recovery console if the main desktop
 works. So far I think you have described the issue with the recovery
 console as a total freeze, with no additional information available upon
 which to base a diagnosis.

 Alan.



Isnt it funny really, you are all too busy to answer an e-mail, because 
you are all volunteers, yet you arent too busy to chat quite avidly 
about games and things like that on IRC. From what I see that happens 
all day on IRC. No wonder you dont have the time.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 22:39, Chris Rowson wrote:
 John Matthews wrote:
  
 Isnt it funny really, you are all too busy to answer an e-mail, because
 you are all volunteers, yet you arent too busy to chat quite avidly
 about games and things like that on IRC. From what I see that happens
 all day on IRC. No wonder you dont have the time.

 Yep, really helpful.

 John




 I don't talk about games on IRC, there may be a channel about games but
 I am not aware of such a thing. As I explained, a lack of response on
 email could mean that nobody knows the answer to your question, it does
 not necessarily indicate an overwhelming time pressure. If you want
 interactive assistance then IRC is the better medium. If you have a
 question to which there is an answer then email can work well.

 Alan.

  
 Evening John,

 To be honest I haven't got a clue what's causing the problem. If you
 haven't already, you might want to try posting your question here:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu

 Cheers,

 Chris




What is the point of having IRC chat and this e-mail chat, when nobody 
is prepared to help. Its kind of really a piss take when you get threads 
that talk about changing the way support is given, but all you get is 
those same people can just barely post to take you to task, yet they 
cant be bothered to post to help.

Launchpad, well that is a joke too. You go through, and find out all the 
things that I have asked about on there, and you will find the same 
results as here, posts gone unanswered. So you will have to excuse me, 
if I dont bother.

The only reason I bother coming back is cause I cant not use Ubuntu, I 
just cant afford it to reformat everything. Believe me, I dislike doing 
this even more than you do.

If I could learn I would do it myself. I would even try to help. But I 
cant. So I am stuck.





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Chris Rowson
 John Matthews wrote:
 Isnt it funny really, you are all too busy to answer an e-mail, because
 you are all volunteers, yet you arent too busy to chat quite avidly
 about games and things like that on IRC. From what I see that happens
 all day on IRC. No wonder you dont have the time.

 Yep, really helpful.

 John



 I don't talk about games on IRC, there may be a channel about games but
 I am not aware of such a thing. As I explained, a lack of response on
 email could mean that nobody knows the answer to your question, it does
 not necessarily indicate an overwhelming time pressure. If you want
 interactive assistance then IRC is the better medium. If you have a
 question to which there is an answer then email can work well.

 Alan.


Evening John,

To be honest I haven't got a clue what's causing the problem. If you
haven't already, you might want to try posting your question here:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 19:33, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
 On 10/06/10 19:08, John Matthews wrote:
 snip /

 Ok, I posted this almost 12 hours ago, I just wondered can somebody help
 please?
  
 Hi John,

 we are all volunteers and normal people on this list offering advice
 for free.

 If someone has a suggestion to help you I'm sure they will read and
 respond when they can.

 Alan




I have actually asked if I could get some paid help, and all I got was 
this pre written e-mail sent telling nothing useful.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you. What I have told is all that 
 happens. I click on the recover link under the kernal when in the grub, 
 and it freezes after about 20 secs. Nothing else happens, no script 
 comes up, no other boxes, I cannot get into a terminal. It just freezes. 
 That is all that happens. So if something happens again, when I update 
 to do a partial upgrade, I cant do anything to fix it, as I done have 
 access to recovery when booting.

 Please excuse me when I ask, what value is there, for me to post about 
 similar bugs. I just dont understand what that will do to help. I am 
 just telling you exactly what happens on my pc. Please help me to 
 understand what that will do to help you, then I will try to find those 
 similar bugs again.

 John

   
As well as you providing helpful information to the developers about how
you have reproduced a bug if you can find one that is similar there are
often suggestions in the comments of bugs (or answers) which may give me
a clue as to what is going on with your problem, and how to fix it, even
if they don't sound that helpful to you.

So if you just turn on the PC it normally boots straight to the login
screen, you only see grub if you hold down shift whilst powering up?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 Isnt it funny really, you are all too busy to answer an e-mail, because 
 you are all volunteers, yet you arent too busy to chat quite avidly 
 about games and things like that on IRC. From what I see that happens 
 all day on IRC. No wonder you dont have the time.

 Yep, really helpful.

 John

   

I don't talk about games on IRC, there may be a channel about games but
I am not aware of such a thing. As I explained, a lack of response on
email could mean that nobody knows the answer to your question, it does
not necessarily indicate an overwhelming time pressure. If you want
interactive assistance then IRC is the better medium. If you have a
question to which there is an answer then email can work well.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 21:03, Alan Bell wrote:
 John Matthews wrote:



 I have actually asked if I could get some paid help, and all I got was
 this pre written e-mail sent telling nothing useful.

 John


  
 Another thing you could do if you want a more interactive conversation
 (which the rapid emails indicate that you might) is to get on to IRC and
 join the #ubuntu-uk channel. There is a much better chance of someone
 walking through a longer procedure (like chroot from a live CD as I see
 on an old email) interactively than trying to describe all the steps in
 an email. I think we should be more willing to bump people from email to
 IRC when a problem needs interactivity to solve it.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IRC

 Alan.




Yes, but unfortunately, that hasnt been a very good option for me 
either. I prefer the e-mail to be honest.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 Yes I have tried using the answer system, and posting questions, but 
 havent been able to get an answer. I got told a couple of weeks ago 
 somebody on here had an answer, and was going to post a video to help. 
 But, as I posted earlier, nothing has been done, which is why a couple 
 of weeks later, I was asking again. To be told that your too busy, cause 
 your all volunteers. You will have to excuse me for being so pissed off, 
 seems to be the order of the day here.

   

can you provide links to the questions you asked please. I don't think
you have been told that people are too busy, however you were urged to
be patient when you complained at a lack of response within 12 hours.

Perhaps you could list the kernel versions that you have now, I believe
you mentioned that some have been removed.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Alan Bell
John Matthews wrote:
 On 10/06/10 23:04, Alan Bell wrote:
   
 I would encourage you to take steps that would lead to more information
 being available, the more information you can provide the more likely it
 is that someone will understand what is occurring. Installing a small
 dual boot partition might provide interesting additional information.

 


 Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you. What I have told is all that 
 happens. I click on the recover link under the kernal when in the grub, 
 and it freezes after about 20 secs.
what does it do during those 20 seconds?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Chris Rowson
 What is the point of having IRC chat and this e-mail chat, when nobody
 is prepared to help. Its kind of really a piss take when you get threads
 that talk about changing the way support is given, but all you get is
 those same people can just barely post to take you to task, yet they
 cant be bothered to post to help.

 Launchpad, well that is a joke too. You go through, and find out all the
 things that I have asked about on there, and you will find the same
 results as here, posts gone unanswered. So you will have to excuse me,
 if I dont bother.

 The only reason I bother coming back is cause I cant not use Ubuntu, I
 just cant afford it to reformat everything. Believe me, I dislike doing
 this even more than you do.

 If I could learn I would do it myself. I would even try to help. But I
 cant. So I am stuck.


Sorry, does that mean that you've tried using the answers system or not?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread John Matthews
On 10/06/10 23:21, Alan Bell wrote:
 John Matthews wrote:

 Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you. What I have told is all that
 happens. I click on the recover link under the kernal when in the grub,
 and it freezes after about 20 secs. Nothing else happens, no script
 comes up, no other boxes, I cannot get into a terminal. It just freezes.
 That is all that happens. So if something happens again, when I update
 to do a partial upgrade, I cant do anything to fix it, as I done have
 access to recovery when booting.

 Please excuse me when I ask, what value is there, for me to post about
 similar bugs. I just dont understand what that will do to help. I am
 just telling you exactly what happens on my pc. Please help me to
 understand what that will do to help you, then I will try to find those
 similar bugs again.

 John


  
 As well as you providing helpful information to the developers about how
 you have reproduced a bug if you can find one that is similar there are
 often suggestions in the comments of bugs (or answers) which may give me
 a clue as to what is going on with your problem, and how to fix it, even
 if they don't sound that helpful to you.

 So if you just turn on the PC it normally boots straight to the login
 screen, you only see grub if you hold down shift whilst powering up?

 Alan.




The grub appears as its booting up. It has a list of two kernels with 
recvoery underneath and a few other things, including the xp partition, 
that I tried getting help for months ago, but that didnt get anywhere 
either. I then learnt by accident, that this grub had a bug, which wasnt 
posted about until after I had done the partition, and screwed it up the 
first time, and tried again, giving myself two ubuntu partitions and an 
xp partition, if you added more than two things to a partition it 
screwed up the windows partiition. When I initially did the partition, 
it f**D up my xp, which was just installed by the people who 
repaired my pc. So I can only use Ubuntu on this pc. Screwed there.

The kernels are Ubuntu 2.6.32-22 and .21, Plus a couple of other things 
like I already posted about.

Sorry, I am too tired, been at this for way too long.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread Jim Price
John Matthews wrote:
 Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you. 

Post the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg

The difference between the default boot line (which works, yes?) and the 
recovery line should only be the options at the end of the lines which 
specify the linux kernel and options. If you post the contents of the 
file, we can see what they are. The other details should be identical in 
a working setup, and what they point to must work if you can boot 
normally, so I'm guessing something is wrong in grub.cfg, otherwise you 
would get an error message or something other than a blank screen.

You can test this out by replacing the quiet splash at the end of the 
boot option which works with single (quotes are only to indicate where 
the content is and are not part of what you should type). To do that you 
select the normal boot option and press the E key to edit it when you 
see the grub boot menu (the one where you have previously tried to 
select the recovery mode option). If you can change quiet splash to 
single and boot into recovery mode, then at least you can do whatever 
it is you want to do when you need recovery mode, and we have at least 
one clue as to what your problem might be. Report anything which you see 
in detail when trying this. It should be an entirely safe test, with no 
risk of damage to a system which can boot from the default entry.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread jakewc2
On 10 June 2010 22:39, Jim Price d1vers...@hotmail.com wrote:

 John Matthews wrote:
  Ok, I dont know what else I can tell you.

 Post the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg

 The difference between the default boot line (which works, yes?) and the
 recovery line should only be the options at the end of the lines which
 specify the linux kernel and options. If you post the contents of the
 file, we can see what they are. The other details should be identical in
 a working setup, and what they point to must work if you can boot
 normally, so I'm guessing something is wrong in grub.cfg, otherwise you
 would get an error message or something other than a blank screen.

 You can test this out by replacing the quiet splash at the end of the
 boot option which works with single (quotes are only to indicate where
 the content is and are not part of what you should type). To do that you
 select the normal boot option and press the E key to edit it when you
 see the grub boot menu (the one where you have previously tried to
 select the recovery mode option). If you can change quiet splash to
 single and boot into recovery mode, then at least you can do whatever
 it is you want to do when you need recovery mode, and we have at least
 one clue as to what your problem might be. Report anything which you see
 in detail when trying this. It should be an entirely safe test, with no
 risk of damage to a system which can boot from the default entry.

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Ok, I cant sleep, and have found that file you wanted,

 http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/66604

Hope that helps.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Still having problems with recovery......

2010-06-10 Thread jakewc2



 ah, interesting, this is new information. A fresh install of Lucid does
 not show grub at all unless you hold shift, although thinking about it
 it might have to for dual boot setups. At the top of the grub screen it
 should list the version number of grub. Does it start with 1.98?


 Alan.

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[ubuntu-uk] A new member ?

2010-06-10 Thread Kévin Gaspard
Hello

I want to participate Ubuntu Party in England, I am French (I live near
Paris) and I have already participated in two Ubuntu Party with Ubuntu-fr
association (8.04 and 10.04) and two instance Linux Solution (2008 and
2010).

I want to improve my English, writing correct, but it seems you spoken is
just devastating to me right now, my goal is to improve my pronunciation and
accent to be able to take part in any Ubuntu Party on the other side of the
English Channel !

I'm already on the IRC channel for speak with you.

I hope I sent this email to the right place, if this is not the case, thank
you let me know.

Sincerely, Kevin Gaspard.
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Vinux to be used as Ubuntu Accessibility testing platform.

2010-06-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
Hi all
I may have told a few people here and there over the past few weeks, but I have 
decided to use Vinux as a test platform for accessibility related features. The 
plan is to test such features, make sure they are well implemented, and then as 
time and code/setup maturity permits, they will be merged into the main Ubuntu 
distribution proper.

This work will start by moving Vinux disk building over to a the same framework 
used to build official Ubuntu CDs. Canonical won't be building the disks, but I 
know how to set up the framework. This will allow for much easier development 
of Vinux, and allow for much more rapid development, as there will be the 
opportunity for daily builds, basing different builds on different Ubuntu 
releases, etc.

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Re: does maverick contain a working at-spi2 infrastrcture?

2010-06-10 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 03:45:01PM EST, Halim Sahin wrote:
 Hi Luke,
 
 Just wondering about this decision:
 maverick will ship gnome 3.0 right?
 gnome 3 doesn't ship bonobo and other stuff so I am interested to know
 how you can reintegrate bonobo there.

Ubuntu Maverick will not be shipping everything from GNOME 3, we will still 
have pieces that require bonobo, particularly gnome panel. Since the 
GNOME/GTK/bonobo framework is used by several different Ubuntu variants, things 
have to be managed conservatively, so things don't break too badly for everyone 
at once. There is also code maturity from upstrea to consider.

As for at-spi2 packages, I should have them ready to go in a PPA later today 
for maverick and lucid.

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My apologys for my recent developer panic attack

2010-06-10 Thread Keith Hinton
Sorry all for the way I must have come off in my prior message.
But like I just stated in the previous message, I just don't want to
see the time Bill took to get things that now work better than in the
present day Ubuntu in my personal opinion such as Pulse audio, to
suddenly go backwards and
stop working due to so many developpers working on the project.
How will the development team be kept together with so many people
doing daily builds?
As Canonical won't be building the disks, is Bill supposed to build
them all then?
especially if daily builds are beginning to show up?
Luke, perhaps you could help to clarify.
I'm more than a bit confused-I suppose.
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Ubuntu Studio daily CD health check

2010-06-10 Thread Colin Watson
This is a daily health check report on the Ubuntu Studio CD images.
If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com.

ubuntustudio/daily: Uninstallable packages:

linux-meta 2.6.35.2.2 produces uninstallable binaries:
  * linux-image-preempt (amd64)
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Re: OneConf and Software Center

2010-06-10 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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Hi Didier

Didier Roche wrote on 22/04/10 09:33:

 Le mercredi 21 avril 2010 à 21:23 -0400, Jason J. Herne a écrit :
...
 Thanks for working with me to develop a good overview for OneConf
 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneConf) and for considering my design ideas.
...
 I've been thinking about your suggested method of using Software
 Center to obtain a list of user installed packages (minus dependencies
  Ubuntu base packages).  I have taken a look at the list of installed
 applications as reported by S-C and I do not believe it works. I'm not
 sure how software center decides which packages go into this list, but
 it seems to contain both base packages as well as dependencies of
 installed packages.

 See http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1t7wjds=5
 This shows some base packages listed in Software Center, like Archive
 manager and Calculator.

 This one is not important to me and seems even logical, as there are
 still applications, you maybe want to remove the Calculator from an
 installed desktop (no offense robert_ancell ;)). So, keeping the
 default list somewhere is something not directly related.

 See http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=148jay1s=5
 This was taken right after command 'sudo apt-get install dia'.
 Software Center is showing the library files and common files for Dia.

 hum, this one is more annoying. Thanks for looking at that.

This is a combination of three bugs in Ubuntu Software Center.

First, the Installed Software section is supposed to be a categorized
list of all packages installed on the system. Currently, though, it is
an uncategorized list of only the applications installed on the system.
http://launchpad.net/bugs/437072

Second, a package (e.g. dia-gnome) that provides an application (e.g.
Dia diagram editor) should not show up separately from that application.
This works in most listings, but it fails in Installed Software search
results. http://launchpad.net/bugs/537735

And third, in any listing that includes packages that do not provide an
application (e.g. dia-libs, dia-common), those packages are supposed to
be hidden by default inside a NN other technical items disclosure
panel. Currently they're just shown by default.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#software-list-view-disclosure

If anyone would like to fix any of these things, I'd greatly appreciate
it. :-)

 Do you know how Software Center decides which packages go into this
 list? I've looked at the source code (briefly) but I did not find
 much.  I'm sure a more thorough investigation would turn up more
 information but I'm not sure if it is worth the time since the list
 does not seem to be filtered how we want it to be.
...

Why would you ask USC for this list? Why not ask apt or aptdaemon
directly, something like Give me a list of all installed packages that
aren't dependencies of ubuntu-desktop.

As for the interface for OneConf in general, this seems like it should
be part of a standalone Migration Assistant for transferring your stuff
to/from other computers (programs and files to/from Ubuntu, and files
only to/from other OSes). The migration step in the Ubuntu installer
would be an embedded subset of this overall feature.

It might also make sense for recording/syncing the set of installed
packages to be accessible from Ubuntu Software Center, but *maybe* only
as a menu item that launches the Migration Assistant. What do you think?
Is there any other reason you'd want to record that kind of list?

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Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll

2010-06-10 Thread Andre Mangan
All these polls, whether they are for governance structures or IRC meeting
times are totally valueless unless the main body of Ubuntu users in
Australia come out of their hiding places and declare their wishes.

The current poll on governance registers the opinions of 18 Ubuntu users.
Hardly a representative sample and certainly not a valid nor acceptable vote
(as was the vote on IRC meeting times).

Reading the minutes of the last IRC meeting, I noticed the brave mention of
should we revisit the time set aside for these meetings.  There is no
point in asking the converted, you need to ask the 200+ registered ubuntu-au
members.

Elect a representative, a governor if the term pleases you, and let this
person drive the push to rejuvenating Ubuntu-au and ultimately
re-accreditation.

To those who seek refuge behind the voluntary nature of ubuntu-au and
therefore claim that they cannot exercise any authority, I would remind them
that many ubuntu-au users have signed the code of conduct and thereby have
placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the requirements of Launchpad
and Ubuntu.

Laissez-faire is just another term for administrative laziness.

Andre





On 10 June 2010 14:07, Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com wrote:

 On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:32:29 +1000
 andrew gande...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions.
 
  http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka
 
 
  HOW TO VOTE CARD
 
  Meritocracy - Keep the current process.
 
  Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership
  team.
 
 
  Andrew G.
 
 
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 This poll wasn't discussed or suggested at the meeting, therefore I'm
 calling it Andrew's personal poll and ignoring it.


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Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll

2010-06-10 Thread Dale
On 10 June 2010 09:02, andrew gande...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions.

 http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka


 HOW TO VOTE CARD

 Meritocracy - Keep the current process.

 Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership
 team.


Hi All,

I have just compared the 2 polls, the official[1] that was opened
after the meeting last night and the new one started by Andrew
Gaydon[2].

My first question is why the 4 votes that on the poll created by
Andrew[2] have not voted on the official poll[1]?  Starting a new poll
does not make you look very responsible and team players.

This looks to me as 'I am going to throw a patty and start my own poll
cause things are not going my way' and hence my question above.


[1] http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9
[2] http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka
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Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]

2010-06-10 Thread Daniel Sobey
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: 
 quote who=Paul Gear
 
  Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking...
 
 :-)
 
 Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au:
 there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just
 attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course)
 it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks.
 
 (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had
 an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.)
 
 - Jeff

I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday
before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be
bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with
other people from the loco some time in the conference.


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Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll

2010-06-10 Thread bwright
How long do we want to hold up decisions. Are we just going to sit
here complaining about a voting system into the next year and have 0%
productivity or are we going to do something. I have noticed the
active participants are voting and the active members are the ones
that get the choice. If you are not an active member or you do not
wish to vote you will simply not be counted since you are not
participating. It is your choice.
On Jun 10, 8:27 pm, Daniel Sobey dns_ser...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello Andrew,

 We had a long discussion in the meeting on how we should move forward
 and what we want.
 If you were not able to attend the meeting the logs are available 
 athttp://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20100608_0600.html

 There was a fair bit of discussion on how to move forward.
 We want to be democratic and allow everyone to have their say.
 How best do you think we should do this?

 I would not consider the poll that was created in the meeting as the
 final and only decision, it is a step in the process. I would expect us
 to decide on the direction with this poll and the further refine it
 later on once we have a better idea on what everyone wants.
 We need to build a consensus on what we want, so first decide on a model
 and then work out details.

 We do not know what the best way of collecting the popularity of each
 model. I do not know how popular the results will be by next meeting.
 I would encourage you to express your opinion and vote in the 
 poll.http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9

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Fwd: about bouncing

2010-06-10 Thread Jared Norris
-- Forwarded message --
From: Victor Vahe Kevorkian vivakev...@gmail.com
Date: 10 June 2010 07:48
Subject: about bouncing
To: ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com


Why is it that my requests are bouncing back to me and being ignored?
I have no other way to ask for help.

During the past week after any updates for Ubuntu Karmic I receive the
following Error Messages:
1.-An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository
is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error:
http://download.virtualbox.org karmic Release: The following
signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139
Answer: my Virtualbox works well with no problem.
2.-Failed to fetch
http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/Release.gpg
Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249), connection
timed out
Answer: sorry I don't have any idea about this one.
3.-Failed to fetch
http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2
 Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net http:
4.-Failed to fetch
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release
Can I get help please


Good evening all,

I have forwarded on the previous message from Victor (with his
permission) as it appears there is some problem with him posting to
the list. While we look into that I thought someone might be able to
provide him with some assistance with the problem he has described.

Regards

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Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]

2010-06-10 Thread bwright
Why do people find structure so critical to a community. We are a
group of people interested in Ubuntu and the progression of Ubuntu in
Australia. Do we need to hold conferences with minutes and boards?
None of this is at all binding so how can you expect anyone who does
not get their voted leader in to at all follow any rules set by the
leaders or follow any policy they disagree with? Pretty much you have
no way of enforcing users comply to any of your demands. In my opinion
the only viable option is to act as a community and not a company and
let the community participate in activities they wish to participate
in. I am prepared to participate in a constructive way to improve
Ubuntu and open source and free software. I am not prepared to sit at
an AGM. Just my 2 cents. But then again a conference would be cool if
we could talk about tech? Such a strange idea.
On Jun 10, 7:49 pm, Daniel Sobey dns_ser...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
  quote who=Paul Gear

   Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking...

  :-)

  Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au:
  there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just
  attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course)
  it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks.

  (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had
  an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.)

  - Jeff

 I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday
 before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be
 bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with
 other people from the loco some time in the conference.

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Blogs

2010-06-10 Thread bwright
Slightly off topic but who has blogs that are techie or have
technical feeds? It would be interesting to see since I am addicted to
information and I would like to grab tech news and tech adventures
from this community. My blog is at 
http://bwright.uberwolf.com/feeds/programming/
and http://bwright.uberwolf.com/feeds/technology/ I find that the
planet is low traffic and I would like to get some more information
flowing through on the Ubuntu Loco front. Cheers.

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Re: about bouncing

2010-06-10 Thread Chris Martin
Victor.  I can help you out with problem (1) - I suspect it will also solve
all the others also
You have been using teh SUN version of virtualbox, not the one from the
Ubuntu repository.
Virtualbox is now an Oracle product, as such they have changed their key
If you run :

wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O-
| sudo apt-key add -

It will fetch and install the new key

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 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Victor Vahe Kevorkian vivakev...@gmail.com
 Date: 10 June 2010 07:48
 Subject: about bouncing
 To: ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com


 Why is it that my requests are bouncing back to me and being ignored?
 I have no other way to ask for help.

 During the past week after any updates for Ubuntu Karmic I receive the
 following Error Messages:
 1.-An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository
 is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error:
 http://download.virtualbox.org karmic Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139
 Answer: my Virtualbox works well with no problem.
 2.-Failed to fetch
 http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/Release.gpg
 Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249), connection
 timed out
 Answer: sorry I don't have any idea about this one.
 3.-Failed to fetch

 http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2
  Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net http:
 4.-Failed to fetch
 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release
 Can I get help please


 Good evening all,

 I have forwarded on the previous message from Victor (with his
 permission) as it appears there is some problem with him posting to
 the list. While we look into that I thought someone might be able to
 provide him with some assistance with the problem he has described.

 Regards

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Re: Fwd: about bouncing

2010-06-10 Thread Mitch Towner
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On 10/06/10 21:10, Jared Norris wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Victor Vahe Kevorkian vivakev...@gmail.com
 Date: 10 June 2010 07:48
 Subject: about bouncing
 To: ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com
 
 
 Why is it that my requests are bouncing back to me and being ignored?
 I have no other way to ask for help.
 
 During the past week after any updates for Ubuntu Karmic I receive the
 following Error Messages:
 1.-An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository
 is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error:
 http://download.virtualbox.org karmic Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139
 Answer: my Virtualbox works well with no problem.
 2.-Failed to fetch
 http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/Release.gpg
 Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249), connection
 timed out
 Answer: sorry I don't have any idea about this one.
 3.-Failed to fetch
 http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/karmic-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2
  Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net http:
 4.-Failed to fetch
 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release
 Can I get help please
 
 
 Good evening all,
 
 I have forwarded on the previous message from Victor (with his
 permission) as it appears there is some problem with him posting to
 the list. While we look into that I thought someone might be able to
 provide him with some assistance with the problem he has described.
 
 Regards
 
 Jared Norris
 (on behalf of the Ubuntu-AU mailing list moderators)
 

Thanks for forwarding this to the list Jared.

Hi Victor,

Point #1:
The public key was changed with the release of Virtualbox 3.2. You will
need to remove the old key  add the new one. You can find more info
regarding how to add the new public key at
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads

Points # 2  3:
Unfortunately the Getdeb website  repository are both down (again). See
http://blog.getdeb.net/2010/05/web-site-and-archive-down-again.html for
more info.

If you need something from Getdeb, there is a browsable mirror at
http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/pub/getdeb/ubuntu/pool/ where you can manually
download the required deb file. I have been using that as a workaround
until the repository is back online.

I hope this helps

Warm Regards,
Mitch Towner (kermiac)
http://mitchtowner.net/
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Re: Team Appointment Process - Poll

2010-06-10 Thread Ubuntu Lists
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
bwright bwright...@gmail.com wrote:

 How long do we want to hold up decisions. Are we just going to sit
 here complaining about a voting system into the next year and have 0%
 productivity 

isn't that the standard outcome of the democratic process? (little
progress and lots of opinion.)

 or are we going to do something.

I don't understand the negative attitude to the meritocracy concept in
this group. Do something. If done well people will help and follow. If
done badly it will die or fork - in which case the process starts
again. 

 I have noticed the
 active participants are voting and the active members are the ones
 that get the choice. If you are not an active member or you do not
 wish to vote you will simply not be counted since you are not
 participating. It is your choice.

If I recall correctly, the number of members in 2010 quoted in the
notification that the AU-LoCo was not re-endorsed was something like
14. The all time high was what? 64?

64 people should be able to resolve the situation where there is a
single spokesperson and people who are doing good stuff can continue
to do good stuff. 18 people to represent 14 is kingdom building gone
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