Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Ivanka Majic wrote: The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. The following comments may be more a * brain dump * than anything else. :-) I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. The Ubuntu Software Centre desires to offer an enhanced user experience by providing information about products which will assist the user in determining the suitability of an offering to their needs. Although “screenshots.debian.net” is a good match, it’s not a perfect match. * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. * There is the unknown of appropriate content and this is managed. I realize “someone” reviews content at screenshots.debian.net but the approval process is unclear. * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. * Last, what is the impact to Ubuntu if screenshots.debian.net is unavailable? All of this leads me to believe building something new may be better than fixing something old. In addition there is a need from this team for an image repository. The title “Ubuntu Media Center” comes to mind. :-) Something tells me if we design it, someone will build it. Just some thoughts. John -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Screenshots-%40-Ubuntu.com-tp30234103p30247671.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] screenshots.ubuntu.com
Hi, Thanks for all you input. It was very helpful. I will try and get them incorporated into the rethemed site. At the moment we are doing a just a retheming of the site to bring it inline with the other *.ubuntu.com sites. This is so that when vistors come to the site they instantly know that it is an official Ubuntu site. With regards to the suggestions regarding the information architecture and interaction of the site, you have given some really great suggestions. I probably would not get time to implement them on this current retheming, but would love to get them in on a v2.0 of the site. Thanks, Richard Lee -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. No. In fact, it's a repository of *application* screenshots. It's intended to give you some general impression about an app before you install it, nothing more. I already complained about the name in a parallel thread. * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. Outdated screenshots of an app will be quicky updated by fans of this application. Expiring an image is a matter of one click (and admin review, which is very swift at the moment). Moreover, screenshot requests from client apps can be made (or already are) version-specific, e.g. Lucid users will see the screenshot for the version they have and not the version from Maverick repo. * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. Synaptic is package-centric. Software Center is more application-centric and I hope it will improve over time. And I've never seen anyone posting screencasts of their themes - only screenshots. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. The intention of screenshot is to quickly give an impression about the application. It's faster and less bandwidth-consuming (read: cheaper) to install the app than to watch a screencast of it. Respectfully, -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Perhaps this list is the best place to discuss after all. On 18/11/10 14:34, j_baer wrote: The following comments may be more a * brain dump * than anything else. :-) I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. This is just it. We need to find that out. Assumptions are dangerous things. The Ubuntu Software Centre desires to offer an enhanced user experience by providing information about products which will assist the user in determining the suitability of an offering to their needs. Although “screenshots.debian.net” is a good match, it’s not a perfect match. What makes you say that? It is a site that hosts screenshots in a format that the software centre can use. It also seems to me to be a perfectly adequate place for people to submit screenshots. What would be a perfect match? * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. That is one of the issues for which I set up a separate bug. We need to come up with some ways to reinvigorate the gathering of screenshots. Very little technical knowledge is required in order to do this so there is a chance that, as a task, it will appeal to a broader audience. The is a campaign project. We need a Paper Cuts equivalent. Just as much as we have encouraged people to improve the descriptions of the packages we could do something that covers both. * There is the unknown of appropriate content and this is managed. I realize “someone” reviews content at screenshots.debian.net but the approval process is unclear. Is that a problem? Approval processes should be clear, as a rule, but what does the current state of play discourage? * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. * Last, what is the impact to Ubuntu if screenshots.debian.net is unavailable? Last three are good points. All of this leads me to believe building something new may be better than fixing something old. In addition there is a need from this team for an image repository. The title “Ubuntu Media Center” comes to mind. :-) Something tells me if we design it, someone will build it. These are interesting thoughts and we should always be thinking in a mix of what we have and what we need. Right now, screenshots.ubuntu.com serves a very real purpose and we can't lose sight of that. We have resource to reskin and possibly make some minor UI changes. We need that site, right now, to have a bigger range of images. Develop your problem definition more broadly so we can examine the impact, the benefits and the risks of this 'Ubuntu Media Center' and then we should definitely talk further. May I suggest that you write out pros and cons for what we have now and pros and cons of what you are proposing? That would be a great starting point for further discussion. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majić Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Sergei, sorry I must have been writing my reply as yours came in! On 18/11/10 15:04, ?? wrote: I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net http://screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. No. In fact, it's a repository of /application/ screenshots. It's intended to give you some general impression about an app before you install it, nothing more. I already complained about the name in a parallel thread. I agree. This is all about the packages, the apps that people can use and they can use them on distros other than Ubuntu. * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. Outdated screenshots of an app will be quicky updated by fans of this application. Expiring an image is a matter of one click (and admin review, which is very swift at the moment). Moreover, screenshot requests from client apps can be made (or already are) version-specific, e.g. Lucid users will see the screenshot for the version they have and not the version from Maverick repo. I think as part of a campaign we would be encouraging exactly that - the fans of an application to upload more screenshots! * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. Synaptic is package-centric. Software Center is more application-centric and I hope it will improve over time. And I've never seen anyone posting screencasts of their themes - only screenshots. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. The intention of screenshot is to quickly give an impression about the application. It's faster and less bandwidth-consuming (read: cheaper) to install the app than to watch a screencast of it. Excellent point! Part of the Software Centre's role in life is to show how easy it is to get and use apps. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majic' Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] On hold: Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Hi all, I have had a very detailed look at the site today and at the work Richard has been doing with regards to applying the Ubuntu visual identity. I have emailed the developer who put the site up in the first place and will discuss his aims and intentions and then we can decide, together with him what the best next step is. Even without any new visual identity we could do quite a bit to improve the usability of the site and then we can talk about the brand relationships separately. When everything is new and shiny we can do our hug a screenshot day or whatever we decide to call it! I don't think this is a big piece of work but it is too important to be building it on a bunch of unsubstantiated assumptions. Let's wait until I hear back and then we can pick it up again. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majic' Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On hold: Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Ivanka Majic wrote: I don't think this is a big piece of work but it is too important to be building it on a bunch of unsubstantiated assumptions. Let's wait until I hear back and then we can pick it up again. Ivanka +1 Thank you! -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Screenshots-%40-Ubuntu.com-tp30234103p30253242.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Need Help with Wallpaper Spec
Hello Everyone,
This is very exciting! We have requests to create submissions for the
default wallpaper for Edubuntu and Xubuntu. At this point in time it makes
sense IMO to create a spec which will assist artists prepare great
submissions.
Here are the bullet points that come to my mind.
* Single image for all resolutions ( viz. aspect ratio independent )
* png file format
* 1900 x 1200 dimensions { ? }
* CC license
* Suggested palette
* Theming suggestions
I feel like I am missing things.
Help!
John
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help with Wallpaper Spec
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 15:51 -0800, j_baer wrote: * png file format Any reason svg wouldn't be allowed? Martin, -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: UDD survey results
First of all, thanks Martin for conducting the poll and collating the results. It'll be an interesting baseline to compare against at future UDS's. On Nov 18, 2010, at 06:23 PM, Martin Pool wrote: Bottom line: *Heaps* to do, but some encouraging feedback. The priorities I draw from this are that we should work on * speed of branching/merging from Launchpad * keeping import branches reliably up to date * removing small-medium disconcerting bugs then * getting branches to current formats, without orphaning old clients * supporting v3 packages this is fairly consistent with what was said at UDS-N, which is nice. I completely agree! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: UDD survey results
Oh, sorry, one other thing. Would it be useful to link to the survey results and your summary from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment ? -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: UDD survey results
Hi Martin, Thanks for running and summarising the survey, very interesting results. On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:23:56 +1100, Martin Pool m...@canonical.com wrote: * The patch format from bzr is awkward - I'm not sure what this means; maybe that it is not smart about debdiff stuff I believe this is that they don't like bundles. They want git format-patch/git am as the way to send patches around. Thanks, James -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: UDD survey results
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Martin Pool m...@canonical.com wrote: TLDR? Mixed but generally positive feedback. Top issues to fix are speed of branching/merging from Launchpad; keeping import branches reliably up to date; getting branches where possible to current formats; removing various small-medium roadblocks; supporting v3 packages and being smarter about merging. A lot of interesting stuff in there. Thanks for sharing the results. There is a good even mix of core devs, motus, contributing developers, casual developers, and new developers. It might be interesting to see the cross-tabs on this. For instance, do casual developers and new developers feel more dissatisfaction with the experience than core-devs and MOTUs? Thanks, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: UDD survey results
On November 18, 2010, Martin Pool wrote: Net promoter score: 22 would recommend overall Ubuntu development using Bazaar at least fairly strongly (net promoter score 7..10); 6 would recommend avoiding it (0..3). However, 50 people skipped this question, perhaps suggesting they have mixed feelings, or the question was poorly stated (eg they don't see it as a thing they recommend to others.) Sorry to bring bad news, but net promoter is actually % of 9-10 minus % of 0-6. In this case, we have a NP of -35. -- Francis J. Lacoste francis.laco...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: UDD survey results
On 19 November 2010 06:34, Francis J. Lacoste francis.laco...@canonical.com wrote: On November 18, 2010, John Arbash Meinel wrote: Anyway, I don't know the net promoter stuff. I certainly don't see how you get 1-in-35 being -35. Doh, My mistake, you are right. I completely missed the 9 people who gave it a 10. So indeed, the net promoter score is (12/46)-(13/46) = -0.02 which is a lot less negative. Obviously there is some question here about whether respondents see a '8' or '9' as indicating the same degree of enthusiasm as whoever decided it should be 9-10. Perhaps a more objective question, next time round, would be _have you actually_ suggested that other people should (or shouldn't) use this. Anyhow, this does seem to mesh with the other feedback: there are some people who don't like the idea at all; there are some who are pretty positive; most are willing to like it but hitting various problems. Which we will fix. -- Martin -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
[ubuntu-in] The new website and new content
Hi all, Good to see a few of you have already created your user accounts already (thanks Anmol, Farhad, Jagadeesh, Nitesh, Sandip, :-). I know you people are busy with a lot of things, but it would really speed things up if you grab hold of one article in your spare time, clean it and update it and post it on the new site. Regading an easy way of making the content accessible I am working on it, give me some time ( maybe a page link from out featured board. The page displays several categories, each category with thumbnails and articles). PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU POST AN ARTICLE IN THE APPROPRIATE CATEGORY. As for the Ubuntu-in centric featured slider, I ask for some more time. I have already selected two pictures from the flickr images which were mailed on this list. Thanks everyone for your help. If you find other pics, send them to me. Thirdly, a crazy idea just hit me. I was inspired by the Gaia project ( www.gaia.us). Why not create Ubuntu-in music, Ubuntu-in themes along with wallpapers. I know it will take time, given that we have to do other stuff too, but still... what do you think? As for the launchpad sign-in integration, somebody has to come up with the code at the moment. I am no great coder but I'll see if it can be be done. Lastly, thanks for choosing your favourite logo. As far as I can recall, Anmol is winning at the moment. We have to discuss each logo design individually (Anmol be sure that you are present). Suggest improvements, decide on the wordmark style. It will take some timemore coming soon. Thanks everyone for your support, Maitraya. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] [facil-membres] recherche de bén évoles pour le S2LQ
2010/11/17 Christophe Villemer christo...@villemer.org: Bonsoir à tous, L'Association Professionnelle des Entreprises en Logiciels Libres qui organise le Salon du Logiciel Libre de Québec (http://www.s2lq.com) est la recherche de bénévoles qui pourraient aider pendant le salon. Merci Christophe pour l'info! Je crois qu'il serait intéressant d'avoir une présence de l'équipe Ubuntu-QC sur place. Est-ce que ca a déjà été planifié? Je serais disponible pour aider à tenir un tel kiosque, mais j'aimerais évider de leader ca, surtout du fait de ne pas vivre dans la région de la ville que Québec ni participer aux événements organisés là-bas... Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comme exécuter une commande dans un autre terminal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-11-14 06:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote: Bonjour tout le monde! je suis à la recherche du mode de fonctionnement pour lancer une commande depuis un terminal vers un autre terminal, mais important, la commande dois s'exécuter dans l'autre terminal. Sans trop y penser, si ton terminal est dans une console graphique, pourquoi pas utiliser VNC ? A+ Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5UdFAAoJEFQP0XBCvjQJSHIQAJxuXyXCfhY3CnVjdEzGL5jt Ct1iqHyfybdrpZ2RVrjxn05VYznN19nfaiJ81pcuq8HaXXxinshn7Ml/rDb+jBP8 zEqJlDP8kBrff5k2FnZjogi++fC16vOdZlaP0f2NSOXfSETpccU3yJyw0iAHWjYu eh69YAOw3X5dtSji4aKdBiYhzMntAblf0xA1P046YAFSCZKCv3TmZ6msZEEN3A+J I8t+XRS21wrRLmcWpwzwIgTSPj7APN6ql0WwVvMbYjr0hy/yNyHo8QvAb88SYjDH AlbZIWqb9I/6O7f0m/K56ZTUBAooLugQcYTdvuHa0wuIBmSvXpnm9ioUL+SbExlm 2kcGUqYUk5Uu0c1sd3dk/ciQ3+0dt3wi4BH0+U6iT04uv5NZmH0O+kASU+Oy42Ee 4ayXYCX8hVjikpibNT/FAW4F/lrA/9IAl52CQbS6dcuwUHacbzNNdIE22I0MhsOO TtxvLDuaMwaPjx4I9IFkp7oWMRAbMiIrjIcCAgZfEotzGCcW9k7MR8udh0KUYPvJ c7YEW8OKwME9RDrz7nsGTamzvvaECM+uzeYHWropcNF7LUtXJ8qQwL9lrY1nVyi4 DIniyeImXmDog2t9hJdChNz367wsN3QOcQHE99ABSmhipV3mPFJ9KQ+5dgPgQ39K IG5Dt58qnFQ/M6Cjap/b =hJbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comme exécuter une commande dans un au tre terminal?
Tu peux essayer d'utiliser les named pipe avec mkfifo: http://www.lefinnois.net/artPROG/Pipes/tubes.php --- Michael Faille Étudiant au baccalauréat en génie des technologies de l'information Université du Québec - École de technologie supérieure, Montréal (Québec) Responsable TI du club étudiant CAPRA 2010/11/18 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com ça m'étonnerait que ça marche (c'est assez exteme), mais tu pourrais essayer de piper du texte directement dans le terminal (exemple : echo ls\n /dev/ttyX) par contre il faut savoir à l'avance exactement ce qu'il y a dans la console, et il faut trouver la bonne 2010/11/18 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca Le 2010-11-18 10:33, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-11-14 06:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote: Bonjour tout le monde! je suis à la recherche du mode de fonctionnement pour lancer une commande depuis un terminal vers un autre terminal, mais important, la commande dois s'exécuter dans l'autre terminal. Sans trop y penser, si ton terminal est dans une console graphique, pourquoi pas utiliser VNC ? A+ Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5UdFAAoJEFQP0XBCvjQJSHIQAJxuXyXCfhY3CnVjdEzGL5jt Ct1iqHyfybdrpZ2RVrjxn05VYznN19nfaiJ81pcuq8HaXXxinshn7Ml/rDb+jBP8 zEqJlDP8kBrff5k2FnZjogi++fC16vOdZlaP0f2NSOXfSETpccU3yJyw0iAHWjYu eh69YAOw3X5dtSji4aKdBiYhzMntAblf0xA1P046YAFSCZKCv3TmZ6msZEEN3A+J I8t+XRS21wrRLmcWpwzwIgTSPj7APN6ql0WwVvMbYjr0hy/yNyHo8QvAb88SYjDH AlbZIWqb9I/6O7f0m/K56ZTUBAooLugQcYTdvuHa0wuIBmSvXpnm9ioUL+SbExlm 2kcGUqYUk5Uu0c1sd3dk/ciQ3+0dt3wi4BH0+U6iT04uv5NZmH0O+kASU+Oy42Ee 4ayXYCX8hVjikpibNT/FAW4F/lrA/9IAl52CQbS6dcuwUHacbzNNdIE22I0MhsOO TtxvLDuaMwaPjx4I9IFkp7oWMRAbMiIrjIcCAgZfEotzGCcW9k7MR8udh0KUYPvJ c7YEW8OKwME9RDrz7nsGTamzvvaECM+uzeYHWropcNF7LUtXJ8qQwL9lrY1nVyi4 DIniyeImXmDog2t9hJdChNz367wsN3QOcQHE99ABSmhipV3mPFJ9KQ+5dgPgQ39K IG5Dt58qnFQ/M6Cjap/b =hJbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Il y a aussiTeamviewer qui permettrait d'agir sur l'autre terminal... -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- All musicians are drug addicts, no question about it. The ecstasy we get during a concert is proof enough. yet there is a slight difference between us, the musicians, and the typical 'street-junkie'... Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations Will et/ou Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes et/ou Touffa! :) -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comme exécuter une commande dans un autre terminal?
Salut Gregory! ça ne fonctionne pas... avec ta commande ça donne : echo ls -l1\n /dev/tty5 bash: /dev/tty5: Permission non accordée j'ai plutôt usé de : echo ls -l1\n /dev/pts/5 mais le résultat n'est que l'écho affiché dans l'autre terminal sans plus, aucune exécution de la commande ls, j'aurais cru aussi que cela aurais pu fonctionner, mais non... merci quand même... chao! 2010/11/18 Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com ça m'étonnerait que ça marche (c'est assez exteme), mais tu pourrais essayer de piper du texte directement dans le terminal (exemple : echo ls\n /dev/ttyX) par contre il faut savoir à l'avance exactement ce qu'il y a dans la console, et il faut trouver la bonne 2010/11/18 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca Le 2010-11-18 10:33, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-11-14 06:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote: Bonjour tout le monde! je suis à la recherche du mode de fonctionnement pour lancer une commande depuis un terminal vers un autre terminal, mais important, la commande dois s'exécuter dans l'autre terminal. Sans trop y penser, si ton terminal est dans une console graphique, pourquoi pas utiliser VNC ? A+ Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5UdFAAoJEFQP0XBCvjQJSHIQAJxuXyXCfhY3CnVjdEzGL5jt Ct1iqHyfybdrpZ2RVrjxn05VYznN19nfaiJ81pcuq8HaXXxinshn7Ml/rDb+jBP8 zEqJlDP8kBrff5k2FnZjogi++fC16vOdZlaP0f2NSOXfSETpccU3yJyw0iAHWjYu eh69YAOw3X5dtSji4aKdBiYhzMntAblf0xA1P046YAFSCZKCv3TmZ6msZEEN3A+J I8t+XRS21wrRLmcWpwzwIgTSPj7APN6ql0WwVvMbYjr0hy/yNyHo8QvAb88SYjDH AlbZIWqb9I/6O7f0m/K56ZTUBAooLugQcYTdvuHa0wuIBmSvXpnm9ioUL+SbExlm 2kcGUqYUk5Uu0c1sd3dk/ciQ3+0dt3wi4BH0+U6iT04uv5NZmH0O+kASU+Oy42Ee 4ayXYCX8hVjikpibNT/FAW4F/lrA/9IAl52CQbS6dcuwUHacbzNNdIE22I0MhsOO TtxvLDuaMwaPjx4I9IFkp7oWMRAbMiIrjIcCAgZfEotzGCcW9k7MR8udh0KUYPvJ c7YEW8OKwME9RDrz7nsGTamzvvaECM+uzeYHWropcNF7LUtXJ8qQwL9lrY1nVyi4 DIniyeImXmDog2t9hJdChNz367wsN3QOcQHE99ABSmhipV3mPFJ9KQ+5dgPgQ39K IG5Dt58qnFQ/M6Cjap/b =hJbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Il y a aussiTeamviewer qui permettrait d'agir sur l'autre terminal... -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- All musicians are drug addicts, no question about it. The ecstasy we get during a concert is proof enough. yet there is a slight difference between us, the musicians, and the typical 'street-junkie'... Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations Will et/ou Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes et/ou Touffa! :) -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comme exécuter une commande dans un autre terminal?
Salut Fabian! c'est trop tard maintenant, mais il m'était impossible de me connecter en VNC sur ma machine de bureau, le vpn me permet de me connecter au bureau via un serveur dans la DMZ, de là il m'aurait fallu pouvoir faire un vnc depuis une machine windows du bureau... et mon ordi sous Ubuntu au bureau ne permet pas le vnc sinon le ssh. J'ai eu beau essayer, mais je ne suis pas parvenu à récupérer le terminal déjà ouvert. merci quand même! Steve 2010/11/18 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-11-14 06:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote: Bonjour tout le monde! je suis à la recherche du mode de fonctionnement pour lancer une commande depuis un terminal vers un autre terminal, mais important, la commande dois s'exécuter dans l'autre terminal. Sans trop y penser, si ton terminal est dans une console graphique, pourquoi pas utiliser VNC ? A+ Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5UdFAAoJEFQP0XBCvjQJSHIQAJxuXyXCfhY3CnVjdEzGL5jt Ct1iqHyfybdrpZ2RVrjxn05VYznN19nfaiJ81pcuq8HaXXxinshn7Ml/rDb+jBP8 zEqJlDP8kBrff5k2FnZjogi++fC16vOdZlaP0f2NSOXfSETpccU3yJyw0iAHWjYu eh69YAOw3X5dtSji4aKdBiYhzMntAblf0xA1P046YAFSCZKCv3TmZ6msZEEN3A+J I8t+XRS21wrRLmcWpwzwIgTSPj7APN6ql0WwVvMbYjr0hy/yNyHo8QvAb88SYjDH AlbZIWqb9I/6O7f0m/K56ZTUBAooLugQcYTdvuHa0wuIBmSvXpnm9ioUL+SbExlm 2kcGUqYUk5Uu0c1sd3dk/ciQ3+0dt3wi4BH0+U6iT04uv5NZmH0O+kASU+Oy42Ee 4ayXYCX8hVjikpibNT/FAW4F/lrA/9IAl52CQbS6dcuwUHacbzNNdIE22I0MhsOO TtxvLDuaMwaPjx4I9IFkp7oWMRAbMiIrjIcCAgZfEotzGCcW9k7MR8udh0KUYPvJ c7YEW8OKwME9RDrz7nsGTamzvvaECM+uzeYHWropcNF7LUtXJ8qQwL9lrY1nVyi4 DIniyeImXmDog2t9hJdChNz367wsN3QOcQHE99ABSmhipV3mPFJ9KQ+5dgPgQ39K IG5Dt58qnFQ/M6Cjap/b =hJbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comme exécuter une commande dans un autre terminal?
Bonjour Michel! je ne connais pas Teamviewer, je viens de le télécharger, je vais en faire l'essai et laisserai mes commentaires ensuite... selon ce que j'ai lu dans le site, ça pourrait-être un solution... merci! 2010/11/18 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca Le 2010-11-18 10:33, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-11-14 06:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote: Bonjour tout le monde! je suis à la recherche du mode de fonctionnement pour lancer une commande depuis un terminal vers un autre terminal, mais important, la commande dois s'exécuter dans l'autre terminal. Sans trop y penser, si ton terminal est dans une console graphique, pourquoi pas utiliser VNC ? A+ Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5UdFAAoJEFQP0XBCvjQJSHIQAJxuXyXCfhY3CnVjdEzGL5jt Ct1iqHyfybdrpZ2RVrjxn05VYznN19nfaiJ81pcuq8HaXXxinshn7Ml/rDb+jBP8 zEqJlDP8kBrff5k2FnZjogi++fC16vOdZlaP0f2NSOXfSETpccU3yJyw0iAHWjYu eh69YAOw3X5dtSji4aKdBiYhzMntAblf0xA1P046YAFSCZKCv3TmZ6msZEEN3A+J I8t+XRS21wrRLmcWpwzwIgTSPj7APN6ql0WwVvMbYjr0hy/yNyHo8QvAb88SYjDH AlbZIWqb9I/6O7f0m/K56ZTUBAooLugQcYTdvuHa0wuIBmSvXpnm9ioUL+SbExlm 2kcGUqYUk5Uu0c1sd3dk/ciQ3+0dt3wi4BH0+U6iT04uv5NZmH0O+kASU+Oy42Ee 4ayXYCX8hVjikpibNT/FAW4F/lrA/9IAl52CQbS6dcuwUHacbzNNdIE22I0MhsOO TtxvLDuaMwaPjx4I9IFkp7oWMRAbMiIrjIcCAgZfEotzGCcW9k7MR8udh0KUYPvJ c7YEW8OKwME9RDrz7nsGTamzvvaECM+uzeYHWropcNF7LUtXJ8qQwL9lrY1nVyi4 DIniyeImXmDog2t9hJdChNz367wsN3QOcQHE99ABSmhipV3mPFJ9KQ+5dgPgQ39K IG5Dt58qnFQ/M6Cjap/b =hJbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Il y a aussiTeamviewer qui permettrait d'agir sur l'autre terminal... -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] MP3 Prise deux
- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM5UdFAAoJEFQP0XBCvjQJSHIQAJxuXyXCfhY3CnVjdEzGL5jt Ct1iqHyfybdrpZ2RVrjxn05VYznN19nfaiJ81pcuq8HaXXxinshn7Ml/rDb+jBP8 zEqJlDP8kBrff5k2FnZjogi++fC16vOdZlaP0f2NSOXfSETpccU3yJyw0iAHWjYu eh69YAOw3X5dtSji4aKdBiYhzMntAblf0xA1P046YAFSCZKCv3TmZ6msZEEN3A+J I8t+XRS21wrRLmcWpwzwIgTSPj7APN6ql0WwVvMbYjr0hy/yNyHo8QvAb88SYjDH AlbZIWqb9I/6O7f0m/K56ZTUBAooLugQcYTdvuHa0wuIBmSvXpnm9ioUL+SbExlm 2kcGUqYUk5Uu0c1sd3dk/ciQ3+0dt3wi4BH0+U6iT04uv5NZmH0O+kASU+Oy42Ee 4ayXYCX8hVjikpibNT/FAW4F/lrA/9IAl52CQbS6dcuwUHacbzNNdIE22I0MhsOO TtxvLDuaMwaPjx4I9IFkp7oWMRAbMiIrjIcCAgZfEotzGCcW9k7MR8udh0KUYPvJ c7YEW8OKwME9RDrz7nsGTamzvvaECM+uzeYHWropcNF7LUtXJ8qQwL9lrY1nVyi4 DIniyeImXmDog2t9hJdChNz367wsN3QOcQHE99ABSmhipV3mPFJ9KQ+5dgPgQ39K IG5Dt58qnFQ/M6Cjap/b =hJbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Il y a aussiTeamviewer qui permettrait d'agir sur l'autre terminal... -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- All musicians are drug addicts, no question about it. The ecstasy we get during a concert is proof enough. yet there is a slight difference between us, the musicians, and the typical 'street-junkie'... Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations Will et/ou Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes et/ou Touffa! :) -- section suivante -- Une pièce jointe HTML a été nettoyée... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quebec/attachments/20101118/98cace13/attachment.htm -- -- À la prochaine... Danny -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
[Ubuntu-QC] Desjardins
Salut Quelqu'un arrive a lire les relevés d'opération du site desjardin? Moi, ca fonctionne pas. Apparemment pas pris en charge. Et pourtant, des pdf, j'en consulte un paquet. @+ -- À la prochaine... Danny -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Desjardins
Salut Dan, Il y a eu une discussion en juillet sur ce sujet ici, voici le lien : http://ubuntu-qc.124361.n3.nabble.com/Evince-ou-Adobe-Reader-td969575.html En gros, soit tu sauvegardes tes fichiers avec l'extension .pdf au lieu de les visualiser en ligne. Ou soit tu installes Adobe Reader... À+ Eric aka LeDucDuBleuet Le 2010-11-18 19:39, Dan a écrit : Salut Quelqu'un arrive a lire les relevés d'opération du site desjardin? Moi, ca fonctionne pas. Apparemment pas pris en charge. Et pourtant, des pdf, j'en consulte un paquet. @+ -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Desjardins
Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 19:39 -0500, Dan a écrit : Salut Quelqu'un arrive a lire les relevés d'opération du site desjardin? Moi, ca fonctionne pas. Apparemment pas pris en charge. Et pourtant, des pdf, j'en consulte un paquet. Le bug est dans la détection du format PDF et existe encore dans Ubuntu 10.10. Il devrait être réglé dans la prochaine version du paquet shared-mime-info disponible dans natty (présentement 0.80-2). Le paquet proposé dans les archives de la liste d'envoi devrait fonctionner, mais il est basé sur une version légèrement plus ancienne que celle actuellement dans Ubuntu 10.10. Je recommanderais d'aller plutôt chercher la version de natty si nécessaire : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59257115/shared-mime-info_0.80-2_i386.deb -- Philippe Gauthier philippe.gauth...@deuxpi.ca http://www.deuxpi.ca/ -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17/11/10 21:55, Daniel Case wrote: And I forgot to provide the link! http://www.linuxproblems.org I think this gives a negative message about Linux. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I think it is realistic and honest, no OS is without issues. Regards Jon On 18 Nov 2010 08:48, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 17/11/10 21:55, Daniel Case wrote: And I forgot to provide the link! http://www.linuxproblems.org I think this gives a negative message about Linux. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
On 17 November 2010 23:22, Daniel Case danielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Tony, I am glad you brought that up as I am currently making a script to suit the needs of the site (I am a PHP developer by profession) . I would like to make it as unique as possible and add my own spin to the typical Q+A scripts out there. I just wasn't really sure what sort of features would be appreciated in such a site. The site was previously owned by someone else who gave it to me as it was not doing very well. Daniel Hello Daniel, Whilst the site look great, it am struggling to understand the added value over stack exchange's askubuntu.com site. Stack Exchange have an established reputation and there are lots of active people on there giving really user friendly help. I often get beaten to give a good answer by other people. I am a little concerned that you wont get the momentum needed to get this site really active with this kind of competition and also as you mentioned the previous owner of the site was unable to do very well with it. If you have less momentum than askubuntu.com, then I would feel I was letting people down if I point them in the direction of your site over askubuntu.comas they would not necessarily get the best help. My appologies that I am unable to be more positive about you efforts. Perhaps you could go into the differentiators that would draw people to your site, both as people looking for answers and people willing to answer those problems in a easy to understand way. If you can find a way to make the site give lots of added value to people looking for answers (and people willing to give answers) then I will gladly do all I can to support your efforts. Thank you -- John Stevenson Lean Agile Consultant / Coach jr0cket.com | leanagilemachine.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:56:46 + (GMT) From: Tony Scott to...@tonyscott.org.uk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 726420.10698...@web29514.mail.ird.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Daniel Putting aside whether (yet) another such site is needed (as Alan has already commented), could I just point out the PHP script is not free - it appears to be propriety code that requires payment http://www.answerscript.com/order.html There are plenty of open source systems that could do this sort of job, including WordPress http://wordpress.org/ Surely using an FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux QA site? Cheers At the risk of being controversial. Now YOU are the one jumping to conclusions. Specifically, you are assuming that people use Linux because they care about FLOSS principles. While there are, undoubtably, many people who use Linux for that reason... ... there are many others who use Linux because it's cheap, just works and doesn't get viruses. One of the things that PUTS PEOPLE OFF Linux is the element in the community who preach them them about why they MUST use FLOSS software. To turn to the question of whether the world needs this: Whether or not there are genuinely 10,000 people a month with Linux problems who could use this site, I have no idea. That's the marvellous thing about freedom on the Internet - anyone can, for a few quid, set up a website of their own. Maybe this one will fail, but if the OpenSource movement has taught us anything, it's taught us that massive duplication of projects is overall a GOOD thing, because the good ideas from one feed into the next. And as for the URL giving the wrong message When did the LINUX community turn into the thought police? I thought it was only Apple that worried about things like that! Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
Hi Mark Just to clarify I said Surely using an (sic!) FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux QA site?. I did not say that FOSS must be used... Cheers -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://uk.wordcamp.org From: Mark Harrison m...@ascentium.co.uk To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thu, 18 November, 2010 11:31:57 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:56:46 + (GMT) From: Tony Scott to...@tonyscott.org.uk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 726420.10698...@web29514.mail.ird.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Daniel Putting aside whether (yet) another such site is needed (as Alan has already commented), could I just point out the PHP script is not free - it appears to be propriety code that requires payment http://www.answerscript.com/order.html There are plenty of open source systems that could do this sort of job, including WordPress http://wordpress.org/ Surely using an FOSS system would be more appropriate for a Linux QA site? Cheers At the risk of being controversial. Now YOU are the one jumping to conclusions. Specifically, you are assuming that people use Linux because they care about FLOSS principles. While there are, undoubtably, many people who use Linux for that reason... ... there are many others who use Linux because it's cheap, just works and doesn't get viruses. One of the things that PUTS PEOPLE OFF Linux is the element in the community who preach them them about why they MUST use FLOSS software. To turn to the question of whether the world needs this: Whether or not there are genuinely 10,000 people a month with Linux problems who could use this site, I have no idea. That's the marvellous thing about freedom on the Internet - anyone can, for a few quid, set up a website of their own. Maybe this one will fail, but if the OpenSource movement has taught us anything, it's taught us that massive duplication of projects is overall a GOOD thing, because the good ideas from one feed into the next. And as for the URL giving the wrong message When did the LINUX community turn into the thought police? I thought it was only Apple that worried about things like that! Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback?
I agree with Alan C and the others who have said the URL itself sends out the wrong message... linuxsolutions.org is positive, linuxproblems.org just strengthens the resolve of those who argue that Linux is a problem to have on your desktop, which I do not believe it is. Would Morrisons create a website called problems-with-morrisons.com ? Would Microsoft create a website called helpfultipsfortamingwindows.com? Would Abobe create a website called whydreamweaveraintcrap.com? Methinks not... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' stands for in Mark's acronym) it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. Personally I am not that fussed about making a Free platform for proprietary software developers to develop for. They can by all means do so if they want to, but it is their loss if they don't. I don't want to actively discourage proprietary vendors from targeting Ubuntu but I think the point in this instance is that there are loads of Free as in Liberty projects that do web forum answer tracking things and it might well be better to use one of them, improving it where necessary and contributing back the improvements. That said, askubuntu.com (proprietary platform that it is) seems to be doing a pretty good job in this area. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
Actually, I was under the impression that the stack exchange software (which drives stack overflow and askubuntu and others) is Free Software, albeit on a Windows and C# platform. -- Jon The Nice Guy Spriggs Please excuse any top posting, typographical or gramatical errors and brevity, as this message has been written on my mobile device On 18 Nov 2010 16:30, Alan Bell alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com wrote: On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I thin... it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. Personally I am not that fussed about making a Free platform for proprietary software developers to develop for. They can by all means do so if they want to, but it is their loss if they don't. I don't want to actively discourage proprietary vendors from targeting Ubuntu but I think the point in this instance is that there are loads of Free as in Liberty projects that do web forum answer tracking things and it might well be better to use one of them, improving it where necessary and contributing back the improvements. That said, askubuntu.com (proprietary platform that it is) seems to be doing a pretty good job in this area. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ub... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28]
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 17:32 +, Jon Spriggs wrote: Actually, I was under the impression that the stack exchange software (which drives stack overflow and askubuntu and others) is Free Software, albeit on a Windows and C# platform. It appears to run nginx on Linux, or at least its front-end load-balancer/proxy does: r...@server:~# nmap -sV -O askubuntu.com -p 23,22,21,80,81,443 Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-11-18 17:39 GMT Interesting ports on stackoverflow.com (64.34.119.12): PORTSTATESERVICE VERSION 21/tcp filtered ftp 22/tcp filtered ssh 23/tcp filtered telnet 80/tcp closed http 81/tcp filtered hosts2-ns 443/tcp open ssl/http nginx web server 0.7.65 Device type: general purpose|WAP|router|firewall|webcam Running (JUST GUESSING) : Linux 2.6.X|2.4.X (92%), D-Link embedded (91%), Linksys embedded (91%), Peplink embedded (91%), Check Point Linux 2.4.X (88%), MikroTik RouterOS 3.X (87%), Linksys Linux 2.4.X (86%), AXIS Linux 2.6.X (85%) Aggressive OS guesses: Linux 2.6.15 - 2.6.24 (92%), D-Link DSA-3100 or Linksys WRT54GL (DD-WRT v23) WAP, or Peplink Balance 30 router (91%), Linux 2.6.22 (91%), Linux 2.6.24 - 2.6.28 (89%), Check Point VPN-1 UTM appliance (88%), Linux 2.6.18 - 2.6.27 (88%), Linux 2.6.9 - 2.6.26 (88%), Linux 2.4.21 - 2.4.31 (likely embedded) (87%), Linux 2.6.15 - 2.6.23 (embedded) (87%), Linux 2.6.22 (Fedora Core 6) (87%) No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal). OS and Service detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://nmap.org/submit/ . Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 19.44 seconds Regards, Tyler -- No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. -- Edward R. Murrow -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Podcast 20 - easy bug reporting
Hi Guys and Laura, I must say I really enjoyed your last episode (20). The discussion on putting up with bugs v's reporting them v's changing apps/distros/underwear was *great*. I REALLY agree with the principle that bugs should be reported. The thing that limits that is the effort it takes to report bugs. As was pointed out, people have a life and are trying to get things done. If reporting (and following up on) bugs isn't QUICK *and* EASY, most people just won't do it. I was really impressed to hear that gwibber allows quick bug reporting from the help. That's exactly what I've thought should be done. I believe that every app should allow bugs to be reported from that app - just by pressing F1 and clicking on a File bug/Request feature link. How to get that in? It seems to me that gnome could 'specify' a standard that all gnome apps should have that button in the apps help screen that would take the user to the bug reporting site for the project, with many of the reporting fields prefilled. OK, that's going to take some time to happen, even if everyone agreed tomorrow to do it. Canonical seems to me to be ideally placed to actually implement this - right now. After all, they tweak the base distro AND have a bug reporting system. I imagine it wouldn't take too much effort to add in a button into the help function for each app. Speaking as a non-programmer, I'm guessing that there are probably standard calls for the help window, or that a script could search out the 'F1' calls in an app, and splice in some extra code. The 'File bug/feature request' link could take the user to a launchpad page for that app. If/when at somepoint the app has its own bug reporting page then the link could be redirected there. If modifying each app through a script is not feasible, ubuntu could intercept the F1 calls and overlay a window with the bug filing link, and still pull up the apps normal help window - all it would need to know is which window has the focus when F1 is pressed. The same bug filing/feature request idea would be applicable to KDE. Similarly, when you press F1 from that app again, you'd get a list of the bugs you've filed e.g. at the bottom of the help, or in a direct link). I havn't pushed this idea before as, to be frank, I'd no idea where to send it to. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, and how to push the idea if you think it has merit. If it had some support from anyone in canonical it might gain some traction. Cheers, Vic. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 30
I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' stands for in Mark's acronym) From: Alan Bell alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] New Linux website - Feedback? [was: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 28] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 4ce55475.6080...@theopenlearningcentre.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 18/11/10 16:16, Sean Miller wrote: I do not actually agree with this, for the record. I think that the Linux commitment to Free Open Source Software (not sure what the 'L' stands for in Mark's acronym) it stands for Libre meaning freedom as opposed to the other sort of free which is means cheaper than cheap. That is the important meaning of Free, just in English the two meanings are expressed with one word, which is a bit unfortunate. The Liberty side of Free is what it is all about and that is where you will find the real business value of the software we are talking about. FLOSS was a term coined specifically to AVOID taking sides in the Free (Stallman) vs. OpenSource (Raymond) battle that seemed to dominate the movement in the 1990s (which is, after all, when I started using Linux.) The L stands for: - Libre (French/Spanish) - Livre (Portuguese) - Libero (Italian) The F stands for: - Free (English) - Frei (German) It's only English, by the way, that has the ambiguity problem with a single word - free - meaning either no charge or unrestricted, depending on who you ask. If pushed to decide between Free and OpenSource, I prefer OpenSource, because I find the arguments of Raymond (and to a lesser extent, Lessig) more compelling than Stallman... and I CERTAINLY stand with Linus on the question of which version of the GPL is most appropriate :-) However, 99 times out of 100, I would rather NOT get drawn into discussions about the meaning of free and rather talk about What Ubuntu can do for you... As such, I find Shuttleworth refreshing, and Ubuntu is, accordingly a good O/S for me for many, many, reasons. Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Podcast 20 - easy bug reporting
there was ubuntu brainstroming web page: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ haven't looked at it in a while. I think your idea is great. -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:46:06 -0600 From: Jones, Victor victor.jo...@flightsafety.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Podcast 20 - easy bug reporting To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 4fe5e7f6ebbc274abee8e2ddb69e6dbf3394f01...@srv060ex01.ssd.fsi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Guys and Laura, I must say I really enjoyed your last episode (20). The discussion on putting up with bugs v's reporting them v's changing apps/distros/underwear was *great*. I REALLY agree with the principle that bugs should be reported. The thing that limits that is the effort it takes to report bugs. As was pointed out, people have a life and are trying to get things done. If reporting (and following up on) bugs isn't QUICK *and* EASY, most people just won't do it. I was really impressed to hear that gwibber allows quick bug reporting from the help. That's exactly what I've thought should be done. I believe that every app should allow bugs to be reported from that app - just by pressing F1 and clicking on a File bug/Request feature link. How to get that in? It seems to me that gnome could 'specify' a standard that all gnome apps should have that button in the apps help screen that would take the user to the bug reporting site for the project, with many of the reporting fields prefilled. OK, that's going to take some time to happen, even if everyone agreed tomorrow to do it. Canonical seems to me to be ideally placed to actually implement this - right now. After all, they tweak the base distro AND have a bug reporting system. I imagine it wouldn't take too much effort to add in a button into the help function for each app. Speaking as a non-programmer, I'm guessing that there are probably standard calls for the help window, or that a script could search out the 'F1' calls in an app, and splice in some extra code. The 'File bug/feature request' link could take the user to a launchpad page for that app. If/when at somepoint the app has its own bug reporting page then the link could be redirected there. If modifying each app through a script is not feasible, ubuntu could intercept the F1 calls and overlay a window with the bug filing link, and still pull up the apps normal help window - all it would need to know is which window has the focus when F1 is pressed. The same bug filing/feature request idea would be applicable to KDE. Similarly, when you press F1 from that app again, you'd get a list of the bugs you've filed e.g. at the bottom of the help, or in a direct link). I havn't pushed this idea before as, to be frank, I'd no idea where to send it to. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, and how to push the idea if you think it has merit. If it had some support from anyone in canonical it might gain some traction. Cheers, Vic. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20101118/ce153f0d/attachment.htm -- -- ubuntu-uk mailing list ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk End of ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 67, Issue 30 * -- Andrés Muñiz-Piniella -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas Party \o/
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 14:36 +, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, I am pleased to announce the Ubuntu UK Christmas party. It will be at the Hub Islington (same venue as last year) on Tuesday 21st December from 7PM until about 10ish Damn, I'll be out of the country :-( Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Christmas Party \o/
On 18 November 2010 21:37, Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 14:36 +, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, I am pleased to announce the Ubuntu UK Christmas party. It will be at the Hub Islington (same venue as last year) on Tuesday 21st December from 7PM until about 10ish Damn, I'll be out of the country :-( So will I, at home in Wales :) Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loosy splah screen after update to 10.10
does anybody know if it's possible to customise the Plymouth graphics, I quite fancy giving it a stab and ending up with something a bit more impressive than 'dots'. Jacob Mansfield Programmer -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
CD image ubuntustudio/natty/daily failed to build on 20101119
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Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On 18 November 2010 08:38, Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com wrote: This proposal requests that: 1) a new prompt be added to the Ubuntu Server installer 2) this prompt be dedicated to the boolean installation, or non-installation, of the SSH service, as an essential facet of a typical server 3) the cursor highlights the affirmative (yes, please install SSH), but awaits the user's conscious decision For what it's worth, I think at least 12 would be worthwhile; we don't want to ask about every possible question but adding an SSH server is extremely common. One observation: doing this at install time would present an easy opportunity to insist fairly firmly that the default user password is not easily guessable. Although this proposal has certain risks and costs, it may also reduce the number of machines that are broken into with a password of 'ubuntu' or similar. (Or perhaps we already do that, or should consider it regardless of ssh.) Perhaps the autogenerated motd could mention the listening service, though that would probably be the type of information that's quickly ignored.. -- Martin -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
Hello Stephan, On 11/18/2010 08:20 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 15:38 -0600, Dustin Kirkland wrote: Ubuntu has long maintained a no open ports by default policy. This conservative approach arguably yields a more secure default installation. Several exceptions have been granted to this policy, which install services on the target system without the user's explicit consent, but in the calculated interest and support of a vastly more usable Ubuntu. Let me be clear: I am NOT requesting that sort of an exception. I am asking for ubuntu-devel's consensus, and an eventual Ubuntu Technical Board approval of a new prompt in the Ubuntu Server ISO's text-based installer, which would read something like the following: -- | If you need a secure connection to this | server remotely, you may wish to install | the openssh-server package. Note that | this service will open TCP port 22 on | your system, and you should use a very | strong password. | | Do you want to install the SSH service? | |[[YES]][no] -- Rest assured that the exact text will be word-smithed by an appropriate committee to hash out an optimum verbiage. If such a message would be displayed during alternative setup from CD, it would give me a shock. It's just like If you need a UI for this Desktop you may wish to install GNOME. Note that this choice will install hundreds of other packages which can or can not harm/destroy/pollute your system, and you should reconsider your choice. Do you want to install GNOME on your System? [[YES]] [no] First of all, I think for Ubuntu Server the SSHD service should be enabled by default, eventually having a question on what IP interface the service should be listening and eventually giving a possibility to push a ssh public key to the box (please not via Launchpad or other web based services). SSHD is (for me) an essential server service. Having SSHD not enabled by default on Servers is a bit of a strange behaviour, regarding other enterprised based Distros. I think everyone in Corporate Services agrees with your above statement that the default should be to include sshd. However, what we are facing here is a rather major change in default behavior and, as such, justifies that users be properly informed about it. Think about it this way: wouldn't you like to see a warning if at some point the desktop was not to install any graphical interface anymore? On Ubuntu Desktop this is different. The Desktop doesn't need an sshd server, and there ist shouldn' be installed or when installed, it shouldn't be enabled. A newly introduced service which opens a port could be documented in the release notes and other prominent places. If, as Kees mentioned in another email, we are facing users that press next without looking, do you really think that the same users will take the time to read the release notes? I think I fully understand the security team's concerns here, but given that: a/ Based on what I have heard at UDS, we are considering adding a post boot install phase for additional package installation, it would seems reasonable to make it available across the network. b/ Even if I have made my initial install with a CD or a USB stick, I do not know much admins that want to stay in front of their servers more than the strict minimum time. Personally I generally hate myself when I have missed to check the sshd service on the tasksel screen, because it means that I'll have to wait in the noisy and cold server room an additional 5 mins (yes, despite our efforts to improve boot times, hardware manufacturer for servers still consider it a great idea to have various checks been done during boot, prior to the OS being loaded) c/ Similarly to b, when I am installing a virtual machine, the less time I spend in the server screen emulation the better, as this is generally much slower and often much clumsier (think keyboard mapping for example) than accessing the same server over SSH. d/ If the version of sshd that is provided on a CD becomes compromised, we have seen in the past that it does not matter much whether it is installed by default or not, since most people will have installed it. It did not prevent us from re-spinning ISOs and it won't prevent people from not applying security updates if they are not used to do so. e/ The biggest risk seems to be for people that would deploy a server that have a direct connection to the Internet with a CD containing a version of sshd that is compromised. In this very case, we do however have the mean to pull from security.ubuntu.com during the install, as the machine is connected to the net, right? Because of the above points, and given our history and our wish to propose the best default possible for our users, I personally think that Dustin's
Re: OSS emulation turned off in Maverick
Hi Ole, On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:10:36AM +0100, Ole Laursen wrote: In any case, it turns out that there are some old programs that depend on the OSS emulation. If you look through that bug report (and associates), there are quite a few. I personally got a problem with tvtime, the only working TV viewer for GNOME. In most situations, it is possible to use padsp to provide emulation support for individual programs that need the OSS interface. -Kees -- Kees Cook Ubuntu Security Team -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On Wednesday, November 17, 2010 04:38:53 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote: Q: Why not default the cursor on that question to No, instead of Yes? A: That totally bypasses the value of this proposal, and is only microscopically better than what we currently have ... Dustin, I think this seriously under values the many benifits of your proposal. The concern I have with defaulting a new question to yes the first time it appears is that if someone has a standard preseed they are using this will change what they get installed and they will never see the question (If I understand how all this works correctly and that's not certain). If we are going to change the no open ports by default policy (and I think your proposal would do that), I think we should not be in a great rush to do that. I would propose that the question should at least exist in an LTS release with a conservative default (no in this case) before defaulting to the less conservative default. My thought would be to do all as you propose, except leave it as default No for now and then consider swtiching to yes in 12.10. I know that's a longer timeline than you'd prefer, but I think it pays to be conservative in how we approach this. BTW, given the number of knocks I see on the door at port 22, this is very much not like the gorrilla thing. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
Quoting Clint Byrum (cl...@ubuntu.com): On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 15:38 -0600, Dustin Kirkland wrote: This proposal requests that: 1) a new prompt be added to the Ubuntu Server installer 2) this prompt be dedicated to the boolean installation, or non-installation, of the SSH service, as an essential facet of a typical server +1 for adding this prompt 3) the cursor highlights the affirmative (yes, please install SSH), but awaits the user's conscious decision -1 for having it default to Yes. Forgive me if the answer is obvious - but how is this any better then than simply expecting users to click 'ssh server' in the tasksel window which always comes up? -serge -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after the first boot. We used to have a two-stage installer and it was a nightmare to maintain for several reasons. Since we moved to a single-stage installer several years back, we've burned all the necessary code with fire and enjoyed it. Please don't make me go back to that. What if the Server team maintained the 2nd stage? Then we'd be making life easier for you, right? ;) -- Robbie Williamson rob...@ubuntu.com Ubuntu robbiew[irc.freenode.net] You can't be lucky all the time, but you can be smart everyday -Mos Def Arrogance is thinking you are better than everyone else, while Confidence is knowing no one else is better than you. -Me ;) -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after the first boot. We used to have a two-stage installer and it was a nightmare to maintain for several reasons. Since we moved to a single-stage installer several years back, we've burned all the necessary code with fire and enjoyed it. Please don't make me go back to that. What if the Server team maintained the 2nd stage? Then we'd be making life easier for you, right? ;) Er. :-) (In seriousness, any good-quality second stage would require some level of cooperation from the first stage. We tried that and it was awful.) -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Serge Hallyn serge.hal...@canonical.com wrote: Quoting Clint Byrum (cl...@ubuntu.com): On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 15:38 -0600, Dustin Kirkland wrote: This proposal requests that: 1) a new prompt be added to the Ubuntu Server installer 2) this prompt be dedicated to the boolean installation, or non-installation, of the SSH service, as an essential facet of a typical server +1 for adding this prompt 3) the cursor highlights the affirmative (yes, please install SSH), but awaits the user's conscious decision -1 for having it default to Yes. Forgive me if the answer is obvious - but how is this any better then than simply expecting users to click 'ssh server' in the tasksel window which always comes up? It's not any better, Serge. :-( :-Dustin -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: continuing conversation from UDS-N - Application Review Board
On 11/18/2010 09:22 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: Philipp Kern [2010-11-17 11:35 +0100]: FWIW (and I didn't see this raised in this thread) FQDNs do not need to be registered with the LANANA and can be used instead of a registered string (see [1]). So if you distribute the packages through extras.ubuntu.com anyway, it might make sense to reuse the same name here. I think that's a nice idea. It avoids namespace collisions (with host names being unique), and denotes more clearly where they come from. Sounds like a winner, any objections? If not, I'll modify the proposal to use /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/appname, to be discussed at the next TB. Allison -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: continuing conversation from UDS-N - Application Review Board
On Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:51:40 pm Allison Randal wrote: On 11/18/2010 09:22 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: Philipp Kern [2010-11-17 11:35 +0100]: FWIW (and I didn't see this raised in this thread) FQDNs do not need to be registered with the LANANA and can be used instead of a registered string (see [1]). So if you distribute the packages through extras.ubuntu.com anyway, it might make sense to reuse the same name here. I think that's a nice idea. It avoids namespace collisions (with host names being unique), and denotes more clearly where they come from. Sounds like a winner, any objections? If not, I'll modify the proposal to use /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/appname, to be discussed at the next TB. Allison I did check to see if it should be extras.ubuntu.com or com.ubuntu.extras and that looks like the correct form: http://refspecs.linux-foundation.org/LSB_4.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core- generic/pkgnameconv.html I think this is the best option. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Unity desktop and maverick backport
In my opinion, for what it is worth, this sounds like an unfortunate, but necessary trade off. I think we will lose a fairly large degree of testing and feedback, by forcing interested contributors to move Natty so early. However, I think it's rational to trade that for an increased focus on the ultimate quality of the new compiz-based unity in Natty and beyond. I think we'll get the most useful feedback from people *using* Unity. So, this means that we'll need to focus on supporting early Natty adopters, for instance paying more attention to quickly resolving adoption blocking bugs. My $.02 Cheers, Rick On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 19:25 +0100, Didier Roche wrote: Hi everybody, As some of you may know, there have been some discussions about backporting unity compiz to maverick as we had backported unity to lucid with a dedicated ppa and its own session. However, after some porting discussions and following the natty work I think we should perhaps consider not doing that because it's going to take quite some work for a moderated benefit and we would better spend those efforts in making natty rocking. Some bits what came from discussions between ubuntu desktop and dx teams: * Why do we want to backport? - usually it's to make easier for users to test the new version and give some feedback on it. The first round of feedback will be about things not starting, or not working at all or crashing, we will get that feedback from the natty users. Later on we will want extra eyes on the user experience but by the time we are there it will be really hard to backport the new stack due to new depends (details on that later). * New unity means new compiz which means users will have no working desktop left, that's not something we should get our users in. Indeed, the new compiz is not made to be installed with the old one, the upgrade will replace compiz 0.8 but has lot of issues still: the configuration is not migrated, the keybindings are not working, the workspace layout and switcher are not working, the session registration is not working, the desktop capplet needs to be updated, the GNOME keybindings capplet is not working. Some of those issues are fixed in natty, but we can't backporting every single GNOME applications to make them work in a maverick ppa. - the new unity packaging is not made to have old and new unity installed at the same time so the old unity will not be installed anymore. - the new unity is not usable as a desktop yet, which means the user will not have the old unity, compiz under GNOME will be broken is several ways which let the GNOME session hard to use, the new unity is not ready for production ... users who will want to give unity a try will just land in a situation when they have no environment left they can use for work... it would be less breakage to suggest them to update to natty where we fix those integration issues. * The new unity stack will be hard to backport - the next indicators uploads will build-depends on gtk3 (even if we don't use it we need to have libraries in natty to build gtk2 and gtk3 version to allow people to start porting work), we use new glib api, etc. Backporting the stack unity will need is going to turn into lot of work and a non trivial task. We think users will have a better experience by trying unity on natty and that we will gather more useful and coherent data, since it's likely to be more stable than getting a working - and a less tested by our team - backport. didrocks on behalf of the ubuntu desktop and dx teams -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: continuing conversation from UDS-N - Application Review Board
On Nov 15, 2010, at 05:53 PM, Allison Randal wrote: Sure, but this is the consenting adults argument. The thing is, the packages are going to be available in either case, so you're just putting an inconvenient sys.path hack in front of anyone who really wants to do it. The tricky thing is, we're wrapping lightweight apps in an inconvenient sys.path hack (to make it difficult to get to application-specific libraries, for security and isolation) AND trying to make it easy for new developers at the same time. The tools just aren't up to the job yet. Right, and as I mentioned in my OP, I think it's entirely appropriate for the apps we're talking about here to use private module paths. I just think that for normal Ubuntu applications, it's largely an unneeded separation. One valid use case though would be if an application does not actually put its supporting code in a library. Then there's no package namespace umbrella that would get installed under dist-packages, so dropping it in a private area and twiddling sys.path makes sense. As an example, look at update manager. It has a package called UpdateManager which contains a bunch of support code. Other than the old skool non-pep8 package name, I see no reason why this would have to be tucked away in a private location. It's not likely that the package name will collide with anything, so seems fairly safe to put in the standard dist-packages location. But since this is embodied in Debian Python policy, this is probably not the forum, and definitely not the thread, to discuss it. Sorry for the noise. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Unity desktop and maverick backport
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:47 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: In my opinion, for what it is worth, this sounds like an unfortunate, but necessary trade off. I think we will lose a fairly large degree of testing and feedback, by forcing interested contributors to move Natty so early. However, I think it's rational to trade that for an increased focus on the ultimate quality of the new compiz-based unity in Natty and beyond. I think we'll get the most useful feedback from people *using* Unity. So, this means that we'll need to focus on supporting early Natty adopters, for instance paying more attention to quickly resolving adoption blocking bugs. My $.02 Agreed. I think the trick here to encouraging testing is installation on USB key-rings; they are cheap, the installations run natively on the hardware, and they are low risk. I plan on getting documentation together and raising the awareness of this soon. Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager jono(at)ubuntu(dot)com www.ubuntu.com : www.jonobacon.org www.twitter.com/jonobacon : www.identi.ca/jonobacon -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
Stefan Potyra stefan.pot...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de wrote: Hi, Am Thursday 18 November 2010 19:34:58 schrieb Robbie Williamson: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after the first boot. We used to have a two-stage installer and it was a nightmare to maintain for several reasons. Since we moved to a single-stage installer several years back, we've burned all the necessary code with fire and enjoyed it. Please don't make me go back to that. What if the Server team maintained the 2nd stage? Then we'd be making life easier for you, right? ;) Er. :-) (In seriousness, any good-quality second stage would require some level of cooperation from the first stage. We tried that and it was awful.) So I see the 1st stage as just installing the minimal server, then we boot to a login prompt...user logs in and can either do his/her business as desired or launch the 2nd stage (which they are told about in a 1st boot motd-type message). Would command-to-start-second-stage-installer amount to a better usability compared to apt-get install openssh-server with the original question in mind? If you didn't get SSH installed the first time around, you're going to have to mosey back down the datacenter to 'apt-get install openssh-server' before you can do anything remotely with your server. The aforementioned command-to-start-second-stage-installer could be displayed in the MOTD, like our cloud images. Something like To finish customizing this server, you can run 'sudo tasksel' now or whatever. But that assumes you can *get* to your server. I'm arguing that SSH is generally needed to access your server and get to the point where you can login and do useful things with it after installation (like a running second stage installer). :-Dustin -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On 11/18/2010 03:08 PM, Mathias Gug wrote: Excerpts from Robbie Williamson's message of Thu Nov 18 13:34:58 -0500 2010: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:04 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote: I think this screen is a good idea if in fact tasksel is moved to after the first boot. We used to have a two-stage installer and it was a nightmare to maintain for several reasons. Since we moved to a single-stage installer several years back, we've burned all the necessary code with fire and enjoyed it. Please don't make me go back to that. What if the Server team maintained the 2nd stage? Then we'd be making life easier for you, right? ;) Er. :-) (In seriousness, any good-quality second stage would require some level of cooperation from the first stage. We tried that and it was awful.) So I see the 1st stage as just installing the minimal server, then we boot to a login prompt...user logs in and can either do his/her business as desired or launch the 2nd stage (which they are told about in a 1st boot motd-type message). I'd add that the 2nd stage would just be tasksel. I don't know what the 2-stage installer was like back in the old days. The proposal discussed at UDS was: * to have the installer create a minimal-lean install (ie 1st stage - same thing as of today). It creates a basic working system which upon reboot can be configured for its final role (either by a sysadmin via a console or ssh login [1] or a configuration management system such as puppet, chef, cfengine, shell script, etc...). * Remove the tasksel step in the installer and add a note in the motd pointing to tasksel so that a sysadmin can finish the configuration of the system after reboot (as outlined in [1] above). This would provide a similar user experience to the one provided by the Ubuntu cloud images on EC2 and UEC. Once an instance is started the following text is displayed upon login into it via ssh: - At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the system to your needs, you can choose to install one or more predefined collections of software by running the following command: sudo tasksel --section server - A similar message would be displayed when a user logs into the newly-installed system (either via console or ssh). Hi, If that what you were thinking of a second stage installer. Then I think you might want something in between, functionailty wise, d-i and a yast type program. But simpler. chuck -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Unity desktop and maverick backport
Hi Didier, Thanks for sharing this proposal. Based on the technical discussion below, it seems like the right trade-off to make, if we can't have both. Having said that, it becomes even more important to the overall quality of the Unity desktop that we ensure as many users try it on Natty as soon as possible. I'd like to make a few suggestions. - Send out a call for testing, specific to Unity desktop (QA Team) - Track Unity related bugs and make sure they are getting triaged and resolved quickly; Monitor bug reports closely (QA Team-bdmurray) - Layout key dates for checkpoints (Desktop, DX and QA Teams) - Make go/no-go recommendation based on test results and bug data (QA Team) What do you think? Thanks, Marjo On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 19:25 +0100, Didier Roche wrote: Hi everybody, As some of you may know, there have been some discussions about backporting unity compiz to maverick as we had backported unity to lucid with a dedicated ppa and its own session. However, after some porting discussions and following the natty work I think we should perhaps consider not doing that because it's going to take quite some work for a moderated benefit and we would better spend those efforts in making natty rocking. Some bits what came from discussions between ubuntu desktop and dx teams: * Why do we want to backport? - usually it's to make easier for users to test the new version and give some feedback on it. The first round of feedback will be about things not starting, or not working at all or crashing, we will get that feedback from the natty users. Later on we will want extra eyes on the user experience but by the time we are there it will be really hard to backport the new stack due to new depends (details on that later). * New unity means new compiz which means users will have no working desktop left, that's not something we should get our users in. Indeed, the new compiz is not made to be installed with the old one, the upgrade will replace compiz 0.8 but has lot of issues still: the configuration is not migrated, the keybindings are not working, the workspace layout and switcher are not working, the session registration is not working, the desktop capplet needs to be updated, the GNOME keybindings capplet is not working. Some of those issues are fixed in natty, but we can't backporting every single GNOME applications to make them work in a maverick ppa. - the new unity packaging is not made to have old and new unity installed at the same time so the old unity will not be installed anymore. - the new unity is not usable as a desktop yet, which means the user will not have the old unity, compiz under GNOME will be broken is several ways which let the GNOME session hard to use, the new unity is not ready for production ... users who will want to give unity a try will just land in a situation when they have no environment left they can use for work... it would be less breakage to suggest them to update to natty where we fix those integration issues. * The new unity stack will be hard to backport - the next indicators uploads will build-depends on gtk3 (even if we don't use it we need to have libraries in natty to build gtk2 and gtk3 version to allow people to start porting work), we use new glib api, etc. Backporting the stack unity will need is going to turn into lot of work and a non trivial task. We think users will have a better experience by trying unity on natty and that we will gather more useful and coherent data, since it's likely to be more stable than getting a working - and a less tested by our team - backport. didrocks on behalf of the ubuntu desktop and dx teams -- Marjo F. Mercado Ubuntu QA Team Manager W: (917) 338-6551 IRC: marjo -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
2010-11-19, Ubuntu Release Meeting Agenda
First meeting for Natty ... blueprints still solidifying but Alpha 1 will soon be upon us. ;) * Time: 1500UTC - 1630UTC * Location: #ubuntu-meeting * Chair: Kate Stewart kate.stew...@canonical.com * Agenda: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/Agenda Ubuntu Release Team Info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Run From Pocket Drive Installer Option?
Hi All, Apologies if this is not the right place to ask, but one of the most interesting and valuable features in Ubuntu for me, is the ability to run an installation entirely from a USB disk. This is also particularly attractive for encouraging our community to test developer releases and help us bug reporting, triage, and fixing. Today the installer has two options: * Try Ubuntu * Install Ubuntu I am wondering if we should provide a third option for those who have booted from a USB disk with persistance switched on: Run Ubuntu From Your Pocket Driver (or some better wording), which will allow you to use the USB stick as the main disk. I think this could be a really valuable feature for (a) people trying Ubuntu in more real-world situations where they set up their email, chat accounts etc and run it from the USB stick, and (b) help us with testing. Is anyone working on this today? Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager jono(at)ubuntu(dot)com www.ubuntu.com : www.jonobacon.org www.twitter.com/jonobacon : www.identi.ca/jonobacon -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:34:58PM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 16:22 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:08:47AM -0600, Robbie Williamson wrote: What if the Server team maintained the 2nd stage? Then we'd be making life easier for you, right? ;) Er. :-) (In seriousness, any good-quality second stage would require some level of cooperation from the first stage. We tried that and it was awful.) So I see the 1st stage as just installing the minimal server, then we boot to a login prompt...user logs in and can either do his/her business as desired or launch the 2nd stage (which they are told about in a 1st boot motd-type message). The problem is that doing task selection in the second stage, for a CD installer, requires keeping copies of a bunch of packages because it's quite plausible that the user ejected the CD. The code necessary for this was horrific, and I think the problems with it are fundamental. It's really much better to do the whole installation in one go, IMO. -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Server Team 20101116 meeting minutes
Hi, Here are the minutes of the meeting. They can also be found online with the irc logs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20101116. Minutes == Meeting Actions == * ALL: please check the SRU tracker https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/SRUTracker and help out with verification * robbiew to review /ServerTeam wiki * SpamapS to email a concrete proposal for addressing SRU verification backlog == General Discussion == * There are a great number of unnasigned SRU-nominated bugs. we should try tomake progress on the lucid ones before 10.04.2. SpamapS will devise a concrete proposal for addressing the backlog and email it for comment. * hggdh sent out a call for packges running testsuites during build. He got some more packages to build, and they are already on the process. * Robbie's main focus with blueprints is to identify work we know we can't do. For the most part, looking good. He hopes to have it all sorted by Friday. * After almost 10 minutes spent discussing maverick SRUs, it was suggested that while they had been important to discuss immediately after release, they should now be globbed into the big list with lucid ones. Skaet will be sending an email about a bi-weekly meeting to cover SRU's. Serge will remove them from the server team agenda. * hggdh is working with zul to take over part of the SRU process. == Agree on next meeting date and time == Next meeting will be on Tuesday, November 23d at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Unity desktop and maverick backport
Well there always is VMs and separate ubuntu installs for testing without breakages affecting your desktop usage. --fagan On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:47 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: In my opinion, for what it is worth, this sounds like an unfortunate, but necessary trade off. I think we will lose a fairly large degree of testing and feedback, by forcing interested contributors to move Natty so early. However, I think it's rational to trade that for an increased focus on the ultimate quality of the new compiz-based unity in Natty and beyond. I think we'll get the most useful feedback from people *using* Unity. So, this means that we'll need to focus on supporting early Natty adopters, for instance paying more attention to quickly resolving adoption blocking bugs. My $.02 Cheers, Rick On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 19:25 +0100, Didier Roche wrote: Hi everybody, As some of you may know, there have been some discussions about backporting unity compiz to maverick as we had backported unity to lucid with a dedicated ppa and its own session. However, after some porting discussions and following the natty work I think we should perhaps consider not doing that because it's going to take quite some work for a moderated benefit and we would better spend those efforts in making natty rocking. Some bits what came from discussions between ubuntu desktop and dx teams: * Why do we want to backport? - usually it's to make easier for users to test the new version and give some feedback on it. The first round of feedback will be about things not starting, or not working at all or crashing, we will get that feedback from the natty users. Later on we will want extra eyes on the user experience but by the time we are there it will be really hard to backport the new stack due to new depends (details on that later). * New unity means new compiz which means users will have no working desktop left, that's not something we should get our users in. Indeed, the new compiz is not made to be installed with the old one, the upgrade will replace compiz 0.8 but has lot of issues still: the configuration is not migrated, the keybindings are not working, the workspace layout and switcher are not working, the session registration is not working, the desktop capplet needs to be updated, the GNOME keybindings capplet is not working. Some of those issues are fixed in natty, but we can't backporting every single GNOME applications to make them work in a maverick ppa. - the new unity packaging is not made to have old and new unity installed at the same time so the old unity will not be installed anymore. - the new unity is not usable as a desktop yet, which means the user will not have the old unity, compiz under GNOME will be broken is several ways which let the GNOME session hard to use, the new unity is not ready for production ... users who will want to give unity a try will just land in a situation when they have no environment left they can use for work... it would be less breakage to suggest them to update to natty where we fix those integration issues. * The new unity stack will be hard to backport - the next indicators uploads will build-depends on gtk3 (even if we don't use it we need to have libraries in natty to build gtk2 and gtk3 version to allow people to start porting work), we use new glib api, etc. Backporting the stack unity will need is going to turn into lot of work and a non trivial task. We think users will have a better experience by trying unity on natty and that we will gather more useful and coherent data, since it's likely to be more stable than getting a working - and a less tested by our team - backport. didrocks on behalf of the ubuntu desktop and dx teams -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: SSH and the Ubuntu Server
* Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com: If you didn't get SSH installed the first time around, you're going to have to mosey back down the datacenter to 'apt-get install openssh-server' before you can do anything remotely with your server. [...] But that assumes you can *get* to your server. I'm arguing that SSH is generally needed to access your server and get to the point where you can login and do useful things with it after installation (like a running second stage installer). I would expect that a data center set up in this manner would also have remote serial consoles to all the machines there too, using conserver or conman something similar. At least that's how I'd set up *my* data center. ;) In the event that it is a common setup, it reduces the strength of argument of needing to go back to the machine room to apt-get install openssh-server. But of course, that is speculation on my part. I have no data as to how common remote serial consoles actually are in data centers. If someone has a better feel for it than I, it would be useful data. /ac -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Unity desktop and maverick backport
Am Donnerstag, den 18.11.2010, 18:53 + schrieb Shane Fagan: Well there always is VMs and separate ubuntu installs for testing without breakages affecting your desktop usage. But this requires that the VM has 3D support (which KVM doesn't have). -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Unity desktop and maverick backport
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 04:03:32PM -0500, Marjo Mercado wrote: Hi Didier, Thanks for sharing this proposal. Based on the technical discussion below, it seems like the right trade-off to make, if we can't have both. Having said that, it becomes even more important to the overall quality of the Unity desktop that we ensure as many users try it on Natty as soon as possible. I'd like to make a few suggestions. - Send out a call for testing, specific to Unity desktop (QA Team) - Track Unity related bugs and make sure they are getting triaged and resolved quickly; Monitor bug reports closely (QA Team-bdmurray) - Layout key dates for checkpoints (Desktop, DX and QA Teams) - Make go/no-go recommendation based on test results and bug data (QA Team) What do you think? Don't forget to define a test plan for people to follow before sending out a call for testing. You might also want to make a page in wiki for folks to list their findings. Thanks, Marjo On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 19:25 +0100, Didier Roche wrote: Hi everybody, As some of you may know, there have been some discussions about backporting unity compiz to maverick as we had backported unity to lucid with a dedicated ppa and its own session. However, after some porting discussions and following the natty work I think we should perhaps consider not doing that because it's going to take quite some work for a moderated benefit and we would better spend those efforts in making natty rocking. Some bits what came from discussions between ubuntu desktop and dx teams: * Why do we want to backport? - usually it's to make easier for users to test the new version and give some feedback on it. The first round of feedback will be about things not starting, or not working at all or crashing, we will get that feedback from the natty users. Later on we will want extra eyes on the user experience but by the time we are there it will be really hard to backport the new stack due to new depends (details on that later). * New unity means new compiz which means users will have no working desktop left, that's not something we should get our users in. Indeed, the new compiz is not made to be installed with the old one, the upgrade will replace compiz 0.8 but has lot of issues still: the configuration is not migrated, the keybindings are not working, the workspace layout and switcher are not working, the session registration is not working, the desktop capplet needs to be updated, the GNOME keybindings capplet is not working. Some of those issues are fixed in natty, but we can't backporting every single GNOME applications to make them work in a maverick ppa. - the new unity packaging is not made to have old and new unity installed at the same time so the old unity will not be installed anymore. - the new unity is not usable as a desktop yet, which means the user will not have the old unity, compiz under GNOME will be broken is several ways which let the GNOME session hard to use, the new unity is not ready for production ... users who will want to give unity a try will just land in a situation when they have no environment left they can use for work... it would be less breakage to suggest them to update to natty where we fix those integration issues. * The new unity stack will be hard to backport - the next indicators uploads will build-depends on gtk3 (even if we don't use it we need to have libraries in natty to build gtk2 and gtk3 version to allow people to start porting work), we use new glib api, etc. Backporting the stack unity will need is going to turn into lot of work and a non trivial task. We think users will have a better experience by trying unity on natty and that we will gather more useful and coherent data, since it's likely to be more stable than getting a working - and a less tested by our team - backport. didrocks on behalf of the ubuntu desktop and dx teams -- Marjo F. Mercado Ubuntu QA Team Manager W: (917) 338-6551 IRC: marjo -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [ubuntu-ec] Favor ayuda
Gracias por la repuesta. Como puedo hacer para conseguir el DVD que me indicas. Saludos y nuevamente gracias -Mensaje original- De: ubuntu-ec-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-ec-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] En nombre de CTO FB SISTEMAS Enviado el: miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2010 16:57 Para: Ubuntu-EC mailist Asunto: Re: [ubuntu-ec] Favor ayuda On Miércoles 17 Noviembre 2010 16:17:08 Marcelo Castillo Pazmiño escribió: Estimados señores Les comento que tengo instalado UBUNTU en una notebook y me funciona muy bien. Me descargue la nueva versión y 10.10 para instalarla en un desktop donde trabajo la mayor parte del tiempo, misma que tiene instalado Windows 7 y quise instalar esta nueva versión, dando un espacio en disco de 100 GB, pero antes de terminar la instalación salieron unos mensajes de error y se abrió la unidad CD. Al arrancar la máquina tengo Windows 7 y 100Gb menos en el disco donde quise instalarlo. Por favor si me indican cómo puedo hacer para eliminar esa partición inútil y como hago para instalar Ubuntú. Saludos Muchas gracias por la ayuda MARCELO CASTILLO PAZMIÑO INGENIERO CIVIL MSc. INGENIERÍA AMBIENTAL MSc. PLANIFICACIÓN REGIONAL Y DESARROLLO LOCAL CONSULTOR EN SERVICIOS PÚBLICOS Y AMBIENTALES logo marcas ani Telf: (593 2) 02-295-3993 Telefax: (593 2) 02-258-1007 Cel: (593) 09-839-4888 E-mail:mailto:mar...@uio.satnet.net mar...@uio.satnet.net / mailto:mar...@andinanet.net mar...@andinanet.net Web: http://marcas.8m.com/home.htm http://marcas.8m.com/home.htm Si estas en UIO, podemos ayudarte con una copia en DVD. Cualquier cosa avisanos, para contactarme, mis datos estan en la firma adjunta. -- CTO FB SISTEMAS SOLUCIONES EN SOFTWARE LIBRE www.fybsistemas-ec.com pmfra...@fybsistemas-ec.com 593-2844263 / 2841594 / 87271963 QUITO - ECUADOR -- Ubuntu-ec mailing list Ubuntu-ec@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ec -- Ubuntu-ec mailing list Ubuntu-ec@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ec
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Video no Youtube trava...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:43:01 -0200 Vinicius Augusto de Sá vin...@gmail.com wrote: Como posso saber se esta? Está sim, foi instalado no pacote ubuntu-restricted-extras. Em 17 de novembro de 2010 18:38, Hálen Yuri Oliveira haleny...@gmail.comescreveu: O pacote Flash para o seu navegador esta instalado ? -- nethell - Ubuntu user 24389 - Linux user 496632 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Em qual script colocar comando para ex ecutar no início?
Mauricio, Só uma correção. Nunca devemos utilizar permissão 777 em arquivos executáveis, principalmente em shell script. O correto, neste caso, seria utilizar no máximo uma permissão 755. []s Ronan Em 13 de novembro de 2010 14:53, Mαuяício Sousα ™ mauricio5...@gmail.comescreveu: No* /etc/init.d/* é bem facil de fazer 1. crie um arquivo com os comandos que deseja executar 2. coloque no /etc/init.d/ 3. chmod 777 *arquivo* 4. update-rc.d *arquivo* defaults coloca ele pra iniciar com o sistema' caso queira remover arquivos da inicialização update-rc.d -f * arquivo* remove Em 13 de novembro de 2010 14:35, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu: Oi pessoal, Sempre que entro no ubuntu preciso ajustar o tempo de escrita do hd para evitar reescritas muito frequentes pois impede o mesmo de dormir. Dái preciso usar o comando: echo 15000 /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs Mas como eu disse, toda vez que inicio preciso fazer de novo pois volta ao valor 500, ou seja, 5 segundos. Já li num site para colocar em /etc/rc.local mas não funcionou. Será que tenho que fazer um script e colocar em /etc/init.d/ ? Ou tem algum lugar específicio pra esse tipo de ajuste relacionado ao disco? Muito obrigado Sidney -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Video no Youtube trava...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:20:01 -0200 Vinicius Augusto de Sá vin...@gmail.com wrote: Prezado Nethel! Os drives estavam instalados corretamente,instalei o ubuntu-restrict-extras desativei o compiz melhorou mas mas ainda não tá legal!! minha conexão é de boa..No vimeo não consigo ver nada.. abs Vinaug Teu Ubuntu é 32 ou 64bits? Se for 64, tem alguns problemas relatados com o adobe flash que a turma já passou na lista; Se for 32, acredito que deverias tentar alterar o driver usado para a nVidia caso não estejas usando o recomendado. Dá uma conferida. nethell Em 17 de novembro de 2010 10:30, Vinicius Augusto de Sá vin...@gmail.comescreveu: Vou tentar obrigado!! Em 16 de novembro de 2010 16:45, nethell neth...@logbin.net escreveu: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:05:00 -0200 Vinicius Augusto de Sá vin...@gmail.com wrote: Prezados Ubunteiros, Instalei o Ubuntu 10.04 e coloquei um placa de video gforce 6200 tudo funciona perfeitamente mas não consigo ser videos na internet, no youtube, no charges..tem o som mas o video não rodatestei todos o navegadores.. oq pode estar acontecendo? na versão anterior não tinha problemas a placa era uma Nvidea de 64 mb.. Vinicius, Primeiro verifique em drivers de hardware se sua placa foi configurada, caso não, habilite o driver recomendado. Depois, se necessário, instale o pacote ubuntu-restricted-extras. Se ainda não rolar, desabilite o compiz se ativo e verifique. -- nethell - Ubuntu user 24389 - Linux user 496632 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- nethell - Ubuntu user 24389 - Linux user 496632 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] Lista de comandos
-- Gostaria de saber onde encontrar uma lista dos comandos do Ubuntu a fim de consultá-la sempre que presciso. Não me serve o comando man porque, para utilizá-lo, tenho de saber qual comando. Antecipadamente grato, João Ghignatti - py3aii - GF49jx PORTO ALEGRE (RS) - B R A S I L S30° 02.122´W 51° 13.504 Powered by MOZILLA/THUNDERBIRD -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lista de comandos
Sugiro que você compre o Comandos do Linux - Guia de Consulta Rápida de Roberto G. A. Veiga, Editora Novatec. Aliás, a editora tem uma área de downloads bem interessante: http://www.novatec.com.br/downloads.php Ou, se não quiser comprar nada, http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntuchannel=fsq=Comandos+b%C3%A1sicos+do+Linuxie=utf-8oe=utf-8 Abraço. Em 18 de novembro de 2010 10:26, João Ghignatti - py3aii py3...@uol.com.brescreveu: -- Gostaria de saber onde encontrar uma lista dos comandos do Ubuntu a fim de consultá-la sempre que presciso. Não me serve o comando man porque, para utilizá-lo, tenho de saber qual comando. Antecipadamente grato, João Ghignatti - py3aii - GF49jx PORTO ALEGRE (RS) - B R A S I L S30° 02.122´W 51° 13.504 Powered by MOZILLA/THUNDERBIRD -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lista de comandos
2010/11/18 João Ghignatti - py3aii py3...@uol.com.br: Ôlas py3aii. -- Gostaria de saber onde encontrar uma lista dos comandos do Ubuntu a fim de consultá-la sempre que presciso. Não me serve o comando man porque, para utilizá-lo, tenho de saber qual comando. Tem este excelente material publicado em nossa wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/ComandosBasicos Antecipadamente grato, João Ghignatti - py3aii - GF49jx -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lista de comandos
Bom dia. Estando no terminal, precione a tecla TAB duas vezes. Em 18 de novembro de 2010 08:26, João Ghignatti - py3aii py3...@uol.com.brescreveu: -- Gostaria de saber onde encontrar uma lista dos comandos do Ubuntu a fim de consultá-la sempre que presciso. Não me serve o comando man porque, para utilizá-lo, tenho de saber qual comando. Antecipadamente grato, João Ghignatti - py3aii - GF49jx PORTO ALEGRE (RS) - B R A S I L S30° 02.122´W 51° 13.504 Powered by MOZILLA/THUNDERBIRD -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Desde já agradeço, +++ Flávio de Oliveira Barros Manaus - Amazonas - Brasil Copiar é bom! Seja Legal Use Software Livre Ubuntu User number is # 28558 Linux Registered User# 278223 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] graficos go google analytics
os gráficos do google analytics não funcionam mais no ubuntu 10.10 alguém já passou ou passa por isso -- Cliff Oliveira www.tribodeideias.com.br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] graficos go google analytics
Dias atrás percebi isso também, mas o problema era com o plugin do flash como um todo. Você consegue acessar outras aplicações na plataforma? []s -- Claudson Oliveira Graduando em Ciência da computação - UFJF www.claudson.com.br #SmallActs http://smallactsmanifesto.org/ make great revolutions Há uma grande diferença entre saber o caminho e percorrer o caminho. Morpheu - Matrix -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] OFF: Administrar samba do windows
Bom dia. Fiz a integração do Samba ao AD. A questão agora é faço tudo na unha (configurar as permissões nos compartilhamentos, adicionar usuários(que estão no AD) que podem acessar os compartilhamentos, etc.). Só que quem vai administrar o samba é uma pessoa que não entende nada de Linux. Então queria facilitar as coisas para ele, o deixando pelo menos configurar a parte das permissões nos compartilhamentos. Alguém tem idéia de como faço isso ? -- Desde já agradeço, +++ Flávio de Oliveira Barros Manaus - Amazonas - Brasil Copiar é bom! Seja Legal Use Software Livre Ubuntu User number is # 28558 Linux Registered User# 278223 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] OFF: Administrar samba do windows
Olha Existe o webmin que ajuda alguma coisa graficamente web. http://www.webmin.com/ http://www.webmin.com/deb.html For Windows http://www.webmin.com/windows.html Em 18 de novembro de 2010 12:40, Flávio Barros flaviobar...@gmail.comescreveu: Bom dia. Fiz a integração do Samba ao AD. A questão agora é faço tudo na unha (configurar as permissões nos compartilhamentos, adicionar usuários(que estão no AD) que podem acessar os compartilhamentos, etc.). Só que quem vai administrar o samba é uma pessoa que não entende nada de Linux. Então queria facilitar as coisas para ele, o deixando pelo menos configurar a parte das permissões nos compartilhamentos. Alguém tem idéia de como faço isso ? -- Desde já agradeço, +++ Flávio de Oliveira Barros Manaus - Amazonas - Brasil Copiar é bom! Seja Legal Use Software Livre Ubuntu User number is # 28558 Linux Registered User# 278223 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- []'s Alex PH City - SC. User Linux # 225201. Skype aleximandro.cella MSN/GTalk aleximan...@gmail.com -- Disse-lhe Jesus: Eu sou o caminho, e a verdade e a vida; ninguém vem ao Pai, senão por mim. João 14:6 Porque há um só Deus, e um só Mediador entre Deus e os homens, Jesus Cristo homem. 1 Timóteo 2:5 Meus filhinhos, estas coisas vos escrevo, para que não pequeis; e, se alguém pecar, temos um Advogado para com o Pai, Jesus Cristo, o justo. 1 João 2:1 -- -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] OFF: Administrar samba do windows
Webmin ! Tenho vários servidores em que alguém da própria empresa administra este tipo de coisa simples, como atribuir direito de escrita/leitura em pastas . Uma combinação do módulo samba do webmin com o módulo file-manager dá conta do recado, é só fazer quem vai realizar o trabalho entender o processo . Eu sempre prefiro atribuir direitos por grupos ... Fábio Rabelo Em 18 de novembro de 2010 12:40, Flávio Barros flaviobar...@gmail.comescreveu: Bom dia. Fiz a integração do Samba ao AD. A questão agora é faço tudo na unha (configurar as permissões nos compartilhamentos, adicionar usuários(que estão no AD) que podem acessar os compartilhamentos, etc.). Só que quem vai administrar o samba é uma pessoa que não entende nada de Linux. Então queria facilitar as coisas para ele, o deixando pelo menos configurar a parte das permissões nos compartilhamentos. Alguém tem idéia de como faço isso ? -- Desde já agradeço, +++ Flávio de Oliveira Barros Manaus - Amazonas - Brasil Copiar é bom! Seja Legal Use Software Livre Ubuntu User number is # 28558 Linux Registered User# 278223 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] graficos go google analytics
realmente em alguns sites da problema aí eu uso o opera Em 18 de novembro de 2010 11:31, Claudson Oliveira claudson...@gmail.comescreveu: Dias atrás percebi isso também, mas o problema era com o plugin do flash como um todo. Você consegue acessar outras aplicações na plataforma? []s -- Claudson Oliveira Graduando em Ciência da computação - UFJF www.claudson.com.br #SmallActs http://smallactsmanifesto.org/ make great revolutions Há uma grande diferença entre saber o caminho e percorrer o caminho. Morpheu - Matrix -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Cliff Oliveira www.tribodeideias.com.br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Gnome-shell não funciona quando o no tebook entra na bateria
Camarada, já passei por um monte de problemas estranhos com o gnome-shell, mas nada deste tipo. Em casa, acontecia coisa similar se o note entrasse no sleep. Vc tá usando a versão do repositório ou do git? Abs! -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 9 de novembro de 2010 12:11, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.comescreveu: Ola todos, Estou com Maverick instalado há 2 semanas em meu notebook e rodando satisfatoriamente bem com o Gnome-shell, mas pela primeira vez depois do upgrade eu precisei usar o equipamento na bateria e qual não foi minha surpresa ao perceber que ao desconectar a fonte o Gnome-shell ficou completamente inoperante! Já testei desligar a fonte antes de abrir o gnome-shell, depois de abrir, antes de ligar o note etc... Não adianta o Gnome-shell curiosamente não funciona com o notebook na bateria. O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 onde o Compiz e aplicações OpenGL sempre rodaram sem problemas. Até mesmo o Gnome-shell já rodava no Lucid. O efeito percebido quando a fonte não está presente é que embora o ponteiro mouse continue podendo ser movido, não é possível clicar em objeto algum, e a única combinação de teclas que funciona é CTRL+ALT+F?, quando então posso logar no console e rebootar a máquina, mas novamente se o note estiver na bateria o Gnome não inicia. Embora o problema não me prejudique eu fiquei curioso porque já tentei de tudo mas o maldito só funciona com a fonte ligada. Alguém já passou por este problema bizarro? -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Gnome-shell não funciona quando o no tebook entra na bateria
Ah, e qual a sua placa de vídeo ;) -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:19, Antonio F. Hermida antoniofherm...@gmail.com escreveu: Camarada, já passei por um monte de problemas estranhos com o gnome-shell, mas nada deste tipo. Em casa, acontecia coisa similar se o note entrasse no sleep. Vc tá usando a versão do repositório ou do git? Abs! -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 9 de novembro de 2010 12:11, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.comescreveu: Ola todos, Estou com Maverick instalado há 2 semanas em meu notebook e rodando satisfatoriamente bem com o Gnome-shell, mas pela primeira vez depois do upgrade eu precisei usar o equipamento na bateria e qual não foi minha surpresa ao perceber que ao desconectar a fonte o Gnome-shell ficou completamente inoperante! Já testei desligar a fonte antes de abrir o gnome-shell, depois de abrir, antes de ligar o note etc... Não adianta o Gnome-shell curiosamente não funciona com o notebook na bateria. O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 onde o Compiz e aplicações OpenGL sempre rodaram sem problemas. Até mesmo o Gnome-shell já rodava no Lucid. O efeito percebido quando a fonte não está presente é que embora o ponteiro mouse continue podendo ser movido, não é possível clicar em objeto algum, e a única combinação de teclas que funciona é CTRL+ALT+F?, quando então posso logar no console e rebootar a máquina, mas novamente se o note estiver na bateria o Gnome não inicia. Embora o problema não me prejudique eu fiquei curioso porque já tentei de tudo mas o maldito só funciona com a fonte ligada. Alguém já passou por este problema bizarro? -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Gnome-shell não funciona quando o note book entra na bateria
Antônio, Estou usando a versão do repositório. O pior é que as vezes eu esqueço do problema e tiro o equipamento da tomada, ai fica tudo congelado até que eu vá ao console e reinicie o X. Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:19, Antonio F. Hermida antoniofherm...@gmail.com escreveu: Camarada, já passei por um monte de problemas estranhos com o gnome-shell, mas nada deste tipo. Em casa, acontecia coisa similar se o note entrasse no sleep. Vc tá usando a versão do repositório ou do git? Abs! -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 9 de novembro de 2010 12:11, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.comescreveu: Ola todos, Estou com Maverick instalado há 2 semanas em meu notebook e rodando satisfatoriamente bem com o Gnome-shell, mas pela primeira vez depois do upgrade eu precisei usar o equipamento na bateria e qual não foi minha surpresa ao perceber que ao desconectar a fonte o Gnome-shell ficou completamente inoperante! Já testei desligar a fonte antes de abrir o gnome-shell, depois de abrir, antes de ligar o note etc... Não adianta o Gnome-shell curiosamente não funciona com o notebook na bateria. O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 onde o Compiz e aplicações OpenGL sempre rodaram sem problemas. Até mesmo o Gnome-shell já rodava no Lucid. O efeito percebido quando a fonte não está presente é que embora o ponteiro mouse continue podendo ser movido, não é possível clicar em objeto algum, e a única combinação de teclas que funciona é CTRL+ALT+F?, quando então posso logar no console e rebootar a máquina, mas novamente se o note estiver na bateria o Gnome não inicia. Embora o problema não me prejudique eu fiquei curioso porque já tentei de tudo mas o maldito só funciona com a fonte ligada. Alguém já passou por este problema bizarro? -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Gnome-shell não funciona quando o note book entra na bateria
Opa, eu disse no primeiro e-mail, mas vai denovo: O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 Abç. Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:22, Antonio F. Hermida antoniofherm...@gmail.com escreveu: Ah, e qual a sua placa de vídeo ;) -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:19, Antonio F. Hermida antoniofherm...@gmail.com escreveu: Camarada, já passei por um monte de problemas estranhos com o gnome-shell, mas nada deste tipo. Em casa, acontecia coisa similar se o note entrasse no sleep. Vc tá usando a versão do repositório ou do git? Abs! -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 9 de novembro de 2010 12:11, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.comescreveu: Ola todos, Estou com Maverick instalado há 2 semanas em meu notebook e rodando satisfatoriamente bem com o Gnome-shell, mas pela primeira vez depois do upgrade eu precisei usar o equipamento na bateria e qual não foi minha surpresa ao perceber que ao desconectar a fonte o Gnome-shell ficou completamente inoperante! Já testei desligar a fonte antes de abrir o gnome-shell, depois de abrir, antes de ligar o note etc... Não adianta o Gnome-shell curiosamente não funciona com o notebook na bateria. O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 onde o Compiz e aplicações OpenGL sempre rodaram sem problemas. Até mesmo o Gnome-shell já rodava no Lucid. O efeito percebido quando a fonte não está presente é que embora o ponteiro mouse continue podendo ser movido, não é possível clicar em objeto algum, e a única combinação de teclas que funciona é CTRL+ALT+F?, quando então posso logar no console e rebootar a máquina, mas novamente se o note estiver na bateria o Gnome não inicia. Embora o problema não me prejudique eu fiquei curioso porque já tentei de tudo mas o maldito só funciona com a fonte ligada. Alguém já passou por este problema bizarro? -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Em qual script colocar comando para ex ecutar no início?
Apesar do artigo e apesar da dica do caio condizer, não está funcionando de jeito nenhum! Coloquei as informacoes no sysctl.conf e dei o comando sysctl -p e depois verifiquei e estava ok. Até me animei. Mas após reiniciar, voltou tudo ao que estava antes e ao olhar no sysctl.conf, está correto, ou seja, alterado e mesmo assim não ativou no boot. Aí criei um script no init.d chamado ssl-ajustes, dei permissao 755 nele e coloquei nele o comando 'sysctl -p' (sem aspas, claro) pra ver se no boot e ele rodaria este comando pra ativar as opcoes do kernel que preciso. Mas, depois de um novo boot, nao funcionou nem assim. Lembrando que preciso de um meio pra ativar as seguintes configuracoes no boot: setar o /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs com o valor 15000, e nao 500 como padrao; setar o /proc/sys/vm/swappiness para 20, e nao 60 como eh o padrao. Enfim, sao configuracoes do kernel via procfs com o sysctl, mas nao ta funcionando de jeito nenhum. Alguém mais tem alguma idéia? Obrigado. 2010/11/18 Ronan Lucio ronanlu...@gmail.com Mauricio, Só uma correção. Nunca devemos utilizar permissão 777 em arquivos executáveis, principalmente em shell script. O correto, neste caso, seria utilizar no máximo uma permissão 755. []s Ronan Em 13 de novembro de 2010 14:53, Mαuяício Sousα ™ mauricio5...@gmail.comescreveu: No* /etc/init.d/* é bem facil de fazer 1. crie um arquivo com os comandos que deseja executar 2. coloque no /etc/init.d/ 3. chmod 777 *arquivo* 4. update-rc.d *arquivo* defaults coloca ele pra iniciar com o sistema' caso queira remover arquivos da inicialização update-rc.d -f * arquivo* remove Em 13 de novembro de 2010 14:35, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu: Oi pessoal, Sempre que entro no ubuntu preciso ajustar o tempo de escrita do hd para evitar reescritas muito frequentes pois impede o mesmo de dormir. Dái preciso usar o comando: echo 15000 /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs Mas como eu disse, toda vez que inicio preciso fazer de novo pois volta ao valor 500, ou seja, 5 segundos. Já li num site para colocar em /etc/rc.local mas não funcionou. Será que tenho que fazer um script e colocar em /etc/init.d/ ? Ou tem algum lugar específicio pra esse tipo de ajuste relacionado ao disco? Muito obrigado Sidney -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Em qual script colocar comando para executa r no início?
Coloque esta linha dentro do arquivo /etc/rc.local e seja feliz! Só esteja atento para que o comando fique ACIMA da ultima linha que já deve ter o comando exit 0 Em 13 de novembro de 2010 14:35, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu: Oi pessoal, Sempre que entro no ubuntu preciso ajustar o tempo de escrita do hd para evitar reescritas muito frequentes pois impede o mesmo de dormir. Dái preciso usar o comando: echo 15000 /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs Mas como eu disse, toda vez que inicio preciso fazer de novo pois volta ao valor 500, ou seja, 5 segundos. Já li num site para colocar em /etc/rc.local mas não funcionou. Será que tenho que fazer um script e colocar em /etc/init.d/ ? Ou tem algum lugar específicio pra esse tipo de ajuste relacionado ao disco? Muito obrigado Sidney -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Em qual script colocar comando para ex ecutar no início?
Eu costumo colocar a linha de comando que desejo que seja executada na inicializacao do sistem no arquivo /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, sempre depois da ultima linha, nunca tive problemas, porem vo dar uma testada nas solucoes que os demais colegas postaram aqui, muitas delas eu nao conhecia Em 18 de novembro de 2010 13:56, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.comescreveu: Coloque esta linha dentro do arquivo /etc/rc.local e seja feliz! Só esteja atento para que o comando fique ACIMA da ultima linha que já deve ter o comando exit 0 Em 13 de novembro de 2010 14:35, Sidney slin...@gmail.com escreveu: Oi pessoal, Sempre que entro no ubuntu preciso ajustar o tempo de escrita do hd para evitar reescritas muito frequentes pois impede o mesmo de dormir. Dái preciso usar o comando: echo 15000 /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs Mas como eu disse, toda vez que inicio preciso fazer de novo pois volta ao valor 500, ou seja, 5 segundos. Já li num site para colocar em /etc/rc.local mas não funcionou. Será que tenho que fazer um script e colocar em /etc/init.d/ ? Ou tem algum lugar específicio pra esse tipo de ajuste relacionado ao disco? Muito obrigado Sidney -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Linux User # 481138 Ubuntu User # 24977 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lista de comandos
Agradeço aos três colegas que me responderam. Valeu! Abraço. João Ghignatti - py3aii - GF49jx PORTO ALEGRE (RS) - B R A S I L S30° 02.122´W 51° 13.504 Powered by MOZILLA/THUNDERBIRD Em 18/11/2010 10:33, Flávio Barros escreveu: Bom dia. Estando no terminal, precione a tecla TAB duas vezes. Em 18 de novembro de 2010 08:26, João Ghignatti - py3aii py3...@uol.com.brescreveu: -- Gostaria de saber onde encontrar uma lista dos comandos do Ubuntu a fim de consultá-la sempre que presciso. Não me serve o comando man porque, para utilizá-lo, tenho de saber qual comando. Antecipadamente grato, João Ghignatti - py3aii - GF49jx PORTO ALEGRE (RS) - B R A S I L S30° 02.122´ W 51° 13.504 Powered by MOZILLA/THUNDERBIRD -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] 3G no 8.04 e requisitos para PC antigo
Saudações galera. Tenho um pc celereon 2,2 GHz, com 252 MB ram e instalei o Ubuntu 8.04. Roda beleza mas não consigo conectar o 3G, parece que ele não vinha com suporte a estas redes. Achei alguns meios de fazer porém depende de conexão e sem o 3G eu não tenho conexão. Tem algum script, comando ou algo que possa fazer para conseguir conecta-lo no 3G, modem E226 da Oi. Se não, será que consigo rodar outro Ubuntu posterior nas configurações de hardware citadas? Desde já agradeço. Adimilson -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lista de comandos
Olá joão, caso não conheça, existe esse site http://ss64.com/bash/ -- Claudson Oliveira Graduando em Ciência da computação - UFJF www.claudson.com.br #SmallActs http://smallactsmanifesto.org/ make great revolutions Há uma grande diferença entre saber o caminho e percorrer o caminho. Morpheu - Matrix -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] 3G no 8.04 e requisitos para PC antigo
2010/11/18 Adimilson silva dimiliu...@hotmail.com: Saudações galera. Ôlas Silva. Se não, será que consigo rodar outro Ubuntu posterior nas configurações de hardware citadas? http://lubuntu.net/ Desde já agradeço. Adimilson -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] Não navega
Boa tarde, Estou com um problema sério em um dos computadores da empresa. Um NB Positivo R430 conecta na rede interna conecta no skype porém navega por apenas alguns segundos, depois aparentemente corta a navegação, ou comunicação com email (skype continua a funcionar). Já verifiquei e o proxy tá normal. Abrimos um dos IPs para navegação direta na net e o problema persiste... Alguém aí pode me dar um help? -- Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 [atualmente] MT - Brasil -- -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Não navega
2010/11/18 Rodrigo Rubio rrubiolis...@gmail.com: Boa tarde, Ôlas Rubio. [...] Já verifiquei e o proxy tá normal. Abrimos um dos IPs para navegação direta na net e o problema persiste... Alguém aí pode me dar um help? Aposto que é DNS. Já verificou isto? Tipo, ao cortar a navegação vc pinga na rede interna? E na rede externa direto por IP? Tipo: $ ping 8.8.8.8 Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Não navega
Olá Zandré, não pinga nada, porém as outras máquinas continuam a navegar normalmente. -- Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 [atualmente] MT - Brasil -- Em 18 de novembro de 2010 17:53, Zandre Bran zandreb...@ubuntu.comescreveu: 2010/11/18 Rodrigo Rubio rrubiolis...@gmail.com: Boa tarde, Ôlas Rubio. [...] Já verifiquei e o proxy tá normal. Abrimos um dos IPs para navegação direta na net e o problema persiste... Alguém aí pode me dar um help? Aposto que é DNS. Já verificou isto? Tipo, ao cortar a navegação vc pinga na rede interna? E na rede externa direto por IP? Tipo: $ ping 8.8.8.8 Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Não navega
Completando... Se fosse DNS o erro não seria com todos os computadores? Em 18 de novembro de 2010 17:56, Rodrigo Rubio rrubiolis...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá Zandré, não pinga nada, porém as outras máquinas continuam a navegar normalmente. -- Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 [atualmente] MT - Brasil -- Em 18 de novembro de 2010 17:53, Zandre Bran zandreb...@ubuntu.comescreveu: 2010/11/18 Rodrigo Rubio rrubiolis...@gmail.com: Boa tarde, Ôlas Rubio. [...] Já verifiquei e o proxy tá normal. Abrimos um dos IPs para navegação direta na net e o problema persiste... Alguém aí pode me dar um help? Aposto que é DNS. Já verificou isto? Tipo, ao cortar a navegação vc pinga na rede interna? E na rede externa direto por IP? Tipo: $ ping 8.8.8.8 Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 [atualmente] MT - Brasil -- -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Não navega
2010/11/18 Rodrigo Rubio rrubiolis...@gmail.com: Olá Zandré, Ôlas Rubio. não pinga nada, porém as outras máquinas continuam a navegar normalmente. Não pinga nada quer dizer que não pinga nem na rede interna? E na rede externa, já tentou: $ ping 8.8.8.8 Rodrigo Rubio Linux User #368656 -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] 3G no 8.04 e requisitos para PC antigo
Olá Silva, Qual o modelo do 3G que está você está tentando habilitar? Utilize o Lubuntu como o Zandre indicou acima para rodar versões mais novas. []s Em 18 de novembro de 2010 17:41, Zandre Bran zandreb...@ubuntu.comescreveu: 2010/11/18 Adimilson silva dimiliu...@hotmail.com: Saudações galera. Ôlas Silva. Se não, será que consigo rodar outro Ubuntu posterior nas configurações de hardware citadas? http://lubuntu.net/ Desde já agradeço. Adimilson -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran https://launchpad.net/%7Ezandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Latinoware 2010: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Fábio Réa Eng. de Computação - PUC-Campinas 2010 Diretor de Recursos Humanos - Associação Informatica Junior - PUC-Campinas http://www.infojunior.com.br Wiki-keeper Ubuntu-BR-SP http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/UbuntuSP Eu prefiro receber documentos em ODF. Não sabe o que é? - http://miud.in/V1 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] Quimioinformatica
Alguém aqui sabe o que é quimioinformática? Caso positivo existe algum(s) programa(s) para ubuntu que auxilie as análises? -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] Nokia E71 não conecta via bluetooth depois de atualizar Ubuntu
Pessoal, até ontem conseguia acessar meu Nokia E71 sem problemas via utilitário de bluetooth. Mas hoje acabei de instalar as atualizações recomendadas via synaptic e depois disso não consigo mais acessar o smartphone. O aplicativo retorna a seguinte mensagem: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6564/errobluetooth.png Já reiniciei o dispositivo e o PC, e nada. O que pode estar acontecendo? Thanx! ;-) -- Abraços, Marconi marconipires.wordpress.com poliuretano.wordpress.com -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Gnome-shell não funciona quando o no tebook entra na bateria
Dá uma olhada nessa sessão http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/SwatList mas eu recomendo que você compile http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/install-gnome-shell-from-git-in-ubuntu.html pq o repositório não está mais sendo atualizado :/ Abs, (desculpe pela desanteção sobre a máquina, dormi mal essa noite e estava zumbi no trabalho) -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:46, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.comescreveu: Opa, eu disse no primeiro e-mail, mas vai denovo: O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 Abç. Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:22, Antonio F. Hermida antoniofherm...@gmail.com escreveu: Ah, e qual a sua placa de vídeo ;) -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 18 de novembro de 2010 14:19, Antonio F. Hermida antoniofherm...@gmail.com escreveu: Camarada, já passei por um monte de problemas estranhos com o gnome-shell, mas nada deste tipo. Em casa, acontecia coisa similar se o note entrasse no sleep. Vc tá usando a versão do repositório ou do git? Abs! -- Antonio f. Hermida cel 21 8119-5890 skype afhermida Em 9 de novembro de 2010 12:11, Welington R. Braga welrbr...@gmail.com escreveu: Ola todos, Estou com Maverick instalado há 2 semanas em meu notebook e rodando satisfatoriamente bem com o Gnome-shell, mas pela primeira vez depois do upgrade eu precisei usar o equipamento na bateria e qual não foi minha surpresa ao perceber que ao desconectar a fonte o Gnome-shell ficou completamente inoperante! Já testei desligar a fonte antes de abrir o gnome-shell, depois de abrir, antes de ligar o note etc... Não adianta o Gnome-shell curiosamente não funciona com o notebook na bateria. O note é um Acer 4420 com processador AMD64 Athlon X2 e vídeo ATI Radeon Xpress 1250 onde o Compiz e aplicações OpenGL sempre rodaram sem problemas. Até mesmo o Gnome-shell já rodava no Lucid. O efeito percebido quando a fonte não está presente é que embora o ponteiro mouse continue podendo ser movido, não é possível clicar em objeto algum, e a única combinação de teclas que funciona é CTRL+ALT+F?, quando então posso logar no console e rebootar a máquina, mas novamente se o note estiver na bateria o Gnome não inicia. Embora o problema não me prejudique eu fiquei curioso porque já tentei de tudo mas o maldito só funciona com a fonte ligada. Alguém já passou por este problema bizarro? -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Welington Rodrigues Braga -- Web: http://www.welrbraga.eti.br MSN: welrbraga[*]msn·com Gtalk: welrbraga[*]gmail·com Yahoo / Skype: welrbraga PGP Key: 0x6C7654EB Linux User #253605 Em tudo somos atribulados, porém não angustiados; perplexos, porém não desanimados; perseguidos, porém não desamparados; abatidos, porém não destruídos; - 2Co 4:8,9 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
