Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1

[Lisandro Vaccaro]

I also wanted to point this out. Is it a good idea to make "we have bugs"
Ubuntu's moto? The latest bug #1 served as a sort of motivational statement
I'm not sure what this one is for, a bug report saying "there are bugs"
atop a million other bug reports is a bit of an understatement.
El jul 11, 2013 4:50 p.m., "DenMark Partners" 
escribió:

> False premise. Microsoft Windows gained majority market share and it's
> STILL
> full of bugs.
>
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> >  1.  [Bug 1] Re: Ubuntu is too buggy to gain majoritymarket
> > share (Ma Xiaojun)
> >  2.  [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share (YannUbuntu)
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 03:50:51 -
> > From: Ma Xiaojun 
> > To: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Ubuntu is too buggy to gain
> > majoritymarket share
> > Message-ID:
> > <20130703035054.24195.5369.launch...@soybean.canonical.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > ** Summary changed:
> >
> > - Microsoft has a majority market share
> > + Ubuntu is too buggy to gain majority market share
> >
> > ** Summary changed:
> >
> > - Ubuntu is too buggy to gain majority market share
> > + Ubuntu desktop is too buggy to gain majority market share
> >
> > --
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> > Title:
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> > From: YannUbuntu 
> > To: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority
> > market share
> > Message-ID:
> > <20130703070139.23951.4441.launch...@soybean.canonical.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
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> >
> > - Ubuntu desktop is too buggy to gain majority market share
> > + Microsoft has a majority market share
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1

[DenMark Partners]

False premise. Microsoft Windows gained majority market share and it's STILL
full of bugs.

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> Today's Topics:
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>  1.  [Bug 1] Re: Ubuntu is too buggy to gain majoritymarket
> share (Ma Xiaojun)
>  2.  [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share (YannUbuntu)
> 
> 
> --
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 03:50:51 -
> From: Ma Xiaojun 
> To: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Ubuntu is too buggy to gain
> majoritymarket share
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> <20130703035054.24195.5369.launch...@soybean.canonical.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> ** Summary changed:
> 
> - Microsoft has a majority market share
> + Ubuntu is too buggy to gain majority market share
> 
> ** Summary changed:
> 
> - Ubuntu is too buggy to gain majority market share
> + Ubuntu desktop is too buggy to gain majority market share
> 
> -- 
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
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> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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> Title:
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 07:01:35 -
> From: YannUbuntu 
> To: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority
> market share
> Message-ID:
> <20130703070139.23951.4441.launch...@soybean.canonical.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> ** Summary changed:
> 
> - Ubuntu desktop is too buggy to gain majority market share
> + Microsoft has a majority market share
> 
> -- 
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
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> Title:
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 77, Issue 1

[ravi nagvekar]

In todays smart gadget era(smartphone,smartTV,smartcar) We should market
ubuntu as smartOS for PC
or like chromebook, macbook we should market ubuntu laptop as smartbook.

Regards
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> Greetings from Benicia, California.
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> IOHO, "linux for human beings"=blah
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> We offer:
>
> u b u n t u ?
> get with the program TM
>
>
> We believe this multi-layered brandline would be available in USPTO, CTM,
> WIPO and individual country TM registries.
>
> Hell, it could work as a headline also, but a great brandline often is
> nothing more than a headline with "legs," e.g.
>
> BMW
> The Ultimate Driving Machine
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5

[Hirwa Honore]

hi how can i get Ubuntu software for free

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> No image, no description. let's get this fixed.
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> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Johnny Merrill 
> wrote:
>> No image, no description. let's get this fixed.
>
> Great point!
>
> This is managed by Canonical and a design team there, my suggestion
> would be to report a bug explaining the issue:
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1

[ravi nagvekar]

Guys..

I am working on a blog for marketing ubuntu and will start pushing on web
after 12:10 release to attract more users to ubuntu.
it still not completed. here is the link for that.

http://ubuntuhelps.com/blogs/?page_id=116&preview=true

http://ubuntuhelps.com/blogs/?page_id=116&preview=true

Regards
Ravi


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> Hello, guys! I'm organizing this OpenWeek, which will run from 24 to 26
> October. I'd like to invite you guys to participate. Having a session
> about the Marketing Team would be great. You just need to introduce
> yourself, explain what you do for the team, and how can people
> contribute to it, all of this in a 1-hour session. The schedule, with
> the open slots, are here:
> . Let me know
> any of you is interested in running  it, and I'll put it in the schedule
> ASAP. Note that the 26th is the On Air! day, which means the sessions
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 68, Issue 1

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do we have a stipulated release note available 


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   1. Re:  Press releases . (alan c)


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On 03/08/11 12:49, Rub?n Romero y Cordero wrote:
> Of course you also need to have contacts in the media. Go for the
> local IT media outlets and start there.

Contacts are important. They are worth developing and cultivating.
Start in whatever way you can, and be patient too, but do not give up.
Personal contact is most valuable.

A news publication or other media is a busy pressured environment and
(they) will appreciate occasionally an easy trusted news item.

If a miracle happens it is news. If it happens again and again it is
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 68, Issue 1

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On 03/08/11 12:49, Rub?n Romero y Cordero wrote:
> Of course you also need to have contacts in the media. Go for the
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Contacts are important. They are worth developing and cultivating.
Start in whatever way you can, and be patient too, but do not give up.
Personal contact is most valuable.

A news publication or other media is a busy pressured environment and
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 66, Issue 2

[coretta . jackson]

Hello All,

I like this idea- it's engaging & proactive. Count me in!

Coretta
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Press releases . (Laura Czajkowski)
   2. Re:  Press releases . (Kate Stewart)
   3. Re:  Press releases . (Martin Owens)
   4. Re:  Press releases . (Rub?n Romero y Cordero)


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On 02/08/11 12:14, Barry Drake wrote:
> Hi there   A few days ago, Laura Czajkowski made the suggestion that
> Ubuntu Advertising and/or Ubuntu Marketing might look at preparing and
> sending press releases to appropriate media.  Since then, I've been
> looking at what happens at present.  All I can find are spasmodic
> releases from Canonical which sometimes reflect the state of play with
> the latest Ubuntu release.
> 
What I suggested doing was doing something other than waiting for stuff
to be paid for, you can write on anything perhaps how Ubuntu is being
used in other places, and get journalists to pick up on items. Perhaps
leaving the "release" announcements to Canonical as that's their area.

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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:20:53 -0500
From: Kate Stewart 
To: Barry Drake 
Cc: ubuntu-advertis...@lists.launchpad.net, Ubuntu Marketing

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Press releases .
Message-ID: <1312309253.2929.152.camel@veni>
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On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 12:14 +0100, Barry Drake wrote:
> Hi there   A few days ago, Laura Czajkowski made the suggestion that
> Ubuntu Advertising and/or Ubuntu Marketing might look at preparing and
> sending press releases to appropriate media.  Since then, I've been
> looking at what happens at present.  All I can find are spasmodic
> releases from Canonical which sometimes reflect the state of play with
> the latest Ubuntu release.
> 
> Do any of you know of anything more than this?
> 
> If not, could I suggest a sub group committed to circulating a regular
> media news letter (two or three times a year).  I'll be happy to receive
> contributions, collate them and write it up, then circulate it.  It
> would need to target computer magazines, press generally, radio and TV. 
> 
> Are there any opinions?  And any volunteers to feed news items into
> this?

Hi Barry,
   I'm happy to sign up for review if it would help.  In terms of
content, there are the release notes that are coming out with the
milestone announcements that probably have useful fodder to be culled
for this sort of thing.   And we do have 2 major development releases a
year as well as 2 LTS point releases ;)   The Release Overview section
and some of the highlevel overview information, in particular.  See: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes


   Also, we're in process of putting together A3 release, but the A1 and
A2 milestone release notes from Oneiric, can be reviewed.
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Alpha2
We try to highlight whats making a first appearance for developers, but
it might be interesting to the wider audience as well?


  On a related topic, if there is a contact or two interested in
participating in proofreading the announces before they go out,  I'd
very much appreciate a set of editorial eyes on them a day before each
milestone release.  Please let me know if there are volunteers?

Thanks, Kate
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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:28:28 -0400
From: Martin Owens 
To: Laura Czajkowski 
Cc: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Press releases .
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On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 13:

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 63, Issue 1

[Sakun Liyanage]

Ok i'm design your ad .

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Hello,

I'm planning to advertise Ubuntu on a website. The campaign value is
around $700/week. I tried to find a good GIF or Flash animation with
no luck.
Can someone help me find something attractive and up-to-date?

300x250 or 300x300 are fine with source to translate text if possible, please.

This ad won't cost anything for Ubuntu. It's on the house :D

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From: Martin Owens 
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On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 23:47 +0100, Rafik Ouerchefani wrote:
> I'm planning to advertise Ubuntu on a website. The campaign value is
> around $700/week. I tried to find a good GIF or Flash animation with
> no luck.
> Can someone help me find something attractive and up-to-date?
> 
> 300x250 or 300x300 are fine with source to translate text if possible,
> please.
> 
> This ad won't cost anything for Ubuntu. It's on the house :D

Hello Rafik,

What kind of advert do you need? What style/audience etc. What kind of
viewers does the website get?

If you're ok with formatting the advert yourself, there is some really
good content on spreadubuntu:

http://spreadubuntu.org/

If you need help, let us know.

Best Regards, Martin Owens




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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Elizabeth Krumbach]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Martin Owens  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:07 -0400, Andy Watson wrote:
>> What do you do to help the marketing team? Maybe I can help.
>
> http://doctormo.org/2010/08/18/reasons-to-love-ubuntu/

Thanks again for creating this Martin! I'm off to the print shop today :)

There are still a few relevant posters that the community can use on
spreadubuntu made by LoCo teams but we certainly need more people
contributing. I was somewhat dismayed to find out there was so little
that could be used to print off fliers for an event that Ubuntu
California is having a booth at this weekend.

Andy - I wouldn't be so worried about "What's the point? To have a
site filled up with my stuff as there is no recent stuff on there." -
it's better than nothing, and if someone doesn't like everything about
your poster it's much easier (as long as it's licensed to allow
adaptation) to download your source and tweak it than to come up with
something from scratch each time a member of a LoCo team wants a flier
to hand out at an event. Or maybe they /really/ don't like yours so
they're inspired to create their own! Either way, I don't see any down
side to this.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing team's purpose

[alan c]

On 18/08/10 03:49, Tim McNamara wrote:
> Yet lots of our recent discussion has been
> focused on how we as a team can craft a promotional campaign. That
> would place us more as leaders.

Many team efforts around free software use various forms of 
leadership, which usually has some form of technical basis, naturally.

Marketing is a people skill, and many enthusiasts do not have this as 
their strongest point.

If leadership clearly emerged, then others would follow, at least in 
the items they favoured. If every body talks about it, there may be a 
cracking good discussion, but discussions do not usually *make* leaders.
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Martin Owens]

Because argument and debate aren't a waste of time so long as we're
learning.

On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:07 -0400, Andy Watson wrote:
> What do you do to help the marketing team? Maybe I can help.

http://doctormo.org/2010/08/18/reasons-to-love-ubuntu/


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Andy Watson]

Do you actively contribute to preventing global warming? Saving endangered 
animals? Saving historic building from demolition? Feed stray cats? No. You 
might care about all of these but you can't actively contribute to every cause 
known to man. FOSS is among those causes.

Why should we expect everyone to help out with Ubuntu? This is ridiculous. 
People are interested in different activities. If helping out their operating 
system and FOSS is not an interest, they don't get to use Ubuntu?

If you're looking for people to tell you that people are amazingly helpful, you 
might want to take a look around.

As long as I've been subscribed to this list, all I have seen is arguing about 
technicalities. I personally want to help out Ubuntu but no one is doing 
anything around here.

Sure I could start something myself but what? Update the Wiki that doesn't get 
used? Be active on IRC that no one uses? Upload my material to spreadubuntu? 
What's the point? To have a site filled up with my stuff as there is no recent 
stuff on there. What do you do to help the marketing team? Maybe I can help.

The point that I'm trying to make here is that I have realized that this 
mailing list is beginning to be a waste of my time. I'll just go and do my own 
thing and hope for the best.

Good Luck folks.

Andy Watson
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On 2010-08-18, at 3:34 AM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:17 -0400, Andy Watson wrote:
>> If you want to make money, sell it. If you want contributors, focus on
>> people that will contribute.
> 
> Ah, do you equate selling with proprietary? Another maddening myth that
> seems to be put about far too often to dull the understanding of foss.
> 
> What we are selling is services; the services a programmer sells is
> Development. If users don't want to be involved then they get no
> consideration. They are as it were not-deserving of functional
> improvements or bug fixes and can only really claim to be getting the
> scraps of what other people pay for.
> 
> But of course this isn't because people _are_ lazy or petty but because
> the cynical assume the human race is lazy, petty _and_ selfish to self
> destruction.
> 
> Not that the current situation in the world doesn't suggest that. But
> there is a very large slice of people who will do the right thing when
> they know; many more people who look to those first set of people as
> guides on what to do.
> 
> If we can inform enough of the tribal leaders then we can move this
> forward. I don't think we even need to push for general mass marketing.
> Just getting enough decently written and presented documents into the
> hands of community leaders should have a big effect.
> 
> The mistake, I think, is in assuming that we need to reach everyone, or
> in fact the lowest common denominator. Society isn't quite that simple,
> not even for McDonnalds or US presidents.
> 
>> A lot of people don't care enough to contribute or donate. 
> 
> It's our job to make sure we communicate why it's important to care, and
> if that's not possible then we have to teach by example.
> 
> I'm getting tired of hearing how irresponsible the human race is on this
> mailing list with sweeping generalisations, even that we should make
> extra effort not to mention anything that may introduce honorable
> production to the delicate constitutions of the debauched general masses
> for fear of confusing their poor brains.
> 
> Just the part where I point out how much non-participation takes user's
> needs and flushes it clear down the toilet should be enough. No
> participation, no communication, no progress. Programmers get what they
> want, users get to use what programmers needed.
> 
> Yes Ubuntu is technically awesome, but also FOSS is awesome and it
> shouldn't be just the programmers and big businesses that get to take
> advantage of it because of selective dumb-down marketing.
> 
> Martin,
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Martin Owens]

On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:17 -0400, Andy Watson wrote:
> If you want to make money, sell it. If you want contributors, focus on
> people that will contribute.

Ah, do you equate selling with proprietary? Another maddening myth that
seems to be put about far too often to dull the understanding of foss.

What we are selling is services; the services a programmer sells is
Development. If users don't want to be involved then they get no
consideration. They are as it were not-deserving of functional
improvements or bug fixes and can only really claim to be getting the
scraps of what other people pay for.

But of course this isn't because people _are_ lazy or petty but because
the cynical assume the human race is lazy, petty _and_ selfish to self
destruction.

Not that the current situation in the world doesn't suggest that. But
there is a very large slice of people who will do the right thing when
they know; many more people who look to those first set of people as
guides on what to do.

If we can inform enough of the tribal leaders then we can move this
forward. I don't think we even need to push for general mass marketing.
Just getting enough decently written and presented documents into the
hands of community leaders should have a big effect.

The mistake, I think, is in assuming that we need to reach everyone, or
in fact the lowest common denominator. Society isn't quite that simple,
not even for McDonnalds or US presidents.

> A lot of people don't care enough to contribute or donate. 

It's our job to make sure we communicate why it's important to care, and
if that's not possible then we have to teach by example.

I'm getting tired of hearing how irresponsible the human race is on this
mailing list with sweeping generalisations, even that we should make
extra effort not to mention anything that may introduce honorable
production to the delicate constitutions of the debauched general masses
for fear of confusing their poor brains.

Just the part where I point out how much non-participation takes user's
needs and flushes it clear down the toilet should be enough. No
participation, no communication, no progress. Programmers get what they
want, users get to use what programmers needed.

Yes Ubuntu is technically awesome, but also FOSS is awesome and it
shouldn't be just the programmers and big businesses that get to take
advantage of it because of selective dumb-down marketing.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Andy Watson]

If you want to make money, sell it. If you want contributors, focus on people 
that will contribute.

A lot of people don't care enough to contribute or donate.

Andy Watson
watson...@gmail.com
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On 2010-08-17, at 8:49 PM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 20:14 -0400, Andy Watson wrote:
>> I don't want to alarm anyone but a lot of people aren't programmers,
>> designers, translators or want to be helpful in anyway. After all, it
>> is just an operating system. A lot of people don't care about their
>> OS. 
>> 
>> If you go and start telling them that it's open and they can modify it
>> anyway they want, I personally don't think they'd care too much. They
>> just want it to work and not have to fuss with it. 
> 
> And how do you suppose Ubuntu will continue to work without investment?
> We don't need users to get materially involved. but it would be best for
> them and for us if they could at least get involved financially.
> 
> Ignoring how Ubuntu is made is madness, we're making ourselves poorer by
> limiting investment to only OEMs, Mark and those with material skills
> and commitment.
> 
> Martin,
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23

[Martin Owens]

On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:24 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> It sucks, I agree.  But upon introduction to the website and forums,
> there are plenty of opportunities to introduce them to ways to help.
>  I just don't think it should be in the initial message!

You think of only material contribution, that is not what I intend to
mean at all.

Even if you don't mention the possibility of helping, understanding the
nature of things is still important.

Hands up everyone here who is a free software programmer, and I mean
actually making software licensed under a FOSS license because someone
_paid_ them to make it?

I find it difficult to understand why so many people want to completely
remove foss principles from primary marketing. Not that is should be the
only thing, or even the most important thing. But it's important enough
to merit it's inclusion in many media communications.

http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2wncnb

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23

[Bryan Ogden]

It sucks, I agree.  But upon introduction to the website and forums, there
are plenty of opportunities to introduce them to ways to help.  I just don't
think it should be in the initial message!

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:06 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> > When most people buy something, they want to buy something that works.
>
> Forgetting of course the nature of what makes it work and what will
> ensure it continues to work in the future.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Yea, missing a bit.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23

[Martin Owens]

On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 13:06 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> When most people buy something, they want to buy something that works.

Forgetting of course the nature of what makes it work and what will
ensure it continues to work in the future.

*sigh*

Yea, missing a bit.


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23

[Bryan Ogden]

Sorry Martin,

I disagree.  You have no problem explaining it in person, sure.  But with
the marketing, you're not explaining it in person.  You are explaining it
through pictures and writing that the customers can easily ignore.

Also, there are already plenty of materials available on the Ubuntu website
to assist in getting involved.  If someone wants to get involved, then they
can go to the website, just like you and I have.

There are countless websites dedicated to FOSS and the why's, how's, etc.  I
doubt you had to have someone explain it to you in person.  I know I didn't.
 I did my research.  People that care will do theirs.

When most people buy something, they want to buy something that works.  They
don't necessarily want to know how.  I think the market that you are
targeting is entirely too narrow.  If you really want to expand the use
Ubuntu, you have to keep it simple.  To start the endless debate of how FOSS
can be better than commercial software, and how they can get involved with
it, you create a lot of unneeded confusion, and quite frankly, crap that
very few people care about.  The people that do care about it, like you and
me, will find ways to contribute.

The confusion isn't rooted in the explanations.  It's rooted in the consumer
mentality.  You work, make money, buy and get.  Nothing is free.  Even
Ubuntu, while it has no material costs, the cost of learning how to use it
is still a cost.  When you try to start introducing a lot of new vocabulary
and attempt to entirely change the way someone thinks, then you may as well
start talking a different language, because a lot of people don't care.
 They'll walk on by, and all the materials that you worked hard to create
and distribute will be ignored.

Now when you tell them that they can do most of the same things they would
on Windows easier and cheaper on Ubuntu.  Then they start listening.  They
don't care why.  They just want to see how it's done, and that's where we
come in.  We market the Ubuntu solutions!!!

I suppose our views differ.  Not every user is a contributor, and you
shouldn't expect them to be.  If you go into marketing (mass recognition)
our product (Ubuntu) expecting everyone that downloads to contribute time,
energy, or money for a free product, then you will fail.  Most users just
want something that works.  They don't want to spend their time making it
better.  There are other people that do that.  They don't want to waste
their money to pay people for a "free" product (on the home page of
Ubuntu.com it even states "How can it be free?").  If it's free, then they
shouldn't have to pay.

Maybe I'm imagining an much broader target market than you are.  I would
think that we are targeting at home consumers who primarily want a system
that they can check email, talk to their family, browse the internet, write
letters and stories, balance their bank account, etc.  Perhaps you are
looking more at a market of devs?

Bryan


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:36 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> > By marketing FOSS in general, I think that we have a lot more to lose
> > than to gain, because of the confusion still associated with it.  Most
> > people are still not sure what to think about something that is free
> > (at least in my experience).
>
> Even if we loose in the short term (which I don't think we do) we'd
> loose in the long term. There is no use to having users who do not
> contribute or understand how to in any way. This culture needs to be
> grown and nurtured.
>
> I protest again that the confusion is due to the bad explanations and
> bad communication of people who do not understand foss well enough to be
> involved in creating great, effective marketing.
>
> I have no trouble explaining foss to people in person and few of them
> are _that_ confused. Perhaps it's because I don't say it's free.
>
> Martin,
>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23

[Martin Owens]

On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 11:36 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> By marketing FOSS in general, I think that we have a lot more to lose
> than to gain, because of the confusion still associated with it.  Most
> people are still not sure what to think about something that is free
> (at least in my experience).

Even if we loose in the short term (which I don't think we do) we'd
loose in the long term. There is no use to having users who do not
contribute or understand how to in any way. This culture needs to be
grown and nurtured.

I protest again that the confusion is due to the bad explanations and
bad communication of people who do not understand foss well enough to be
involved in creating great, effective marketing.

I have no trouble explaining foss to people in person and few of them
are _that_ confused. Perhaps it's because I don't say it's free.

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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing team's purpose

[Tim McNamara]

It seems that the "Is this list still alive" post has galvanised quite
a lot of interest. Hopefully we as a team can generate some positive
outcomes from all of this energy spent on discussion.

The team's objectives are to: [1]

  - Act as a central marketing resource for the Ubuntu Community.
  - Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCos in marketing their
activities to the wider community.
  - Gather the hard work that LoCo teams are already doing.

>From this list, it seems that LoCo teams are our primary 'client'. In
effect, our job is to make their jobs easier. We are supporters of
others' primary efforts. Yet lots of our recent discussion has been
focused on how we as a team can craft a promotional campaign. That
would place us more as leaders.

I think that we should either orientate our discussion to the kinds of
things that would help LoCo teams, or change the team's objectives.

Thoughts?

Tim

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23

[Bryan Ogden]

>> We shouldn't be explaining the benefits of using Open Source software.
>>  Nobody cares except the people that already know, and even if they do
care,
>> and don't know, then there are already millions of webpages debating
that.
>>
>
>I find that statement a little troubling. Are you able to expand on what
you
>mean? Are you saying that in Ubuntu-specific material, we shouldn't talk
>about applications?

Sorry if this part was confusing.  While I think that there are so many
benefits to using FOSS, I think that to most consumers the idea of FOSS is
very confusing.  I have tried to explain this to some of my clients when
they are making software decisions.  I think if we market FOSS, in general,
then most consumers won't get it.  They will ask all the same questions that
has been answered on many other sites.  How is it free?  What if the person
responsible with an app decides to stop working on it?  Is free software
really of the same quality as paid software? etc etc etc.  What we should be
doing, rather than talking about how amazing FOSS is in general, is focusing
on certain apps for certain solutions (You like to take a lot of photos?
 Well, Ubuntu comes with an amazing Photo Album application that will allow
you organize all your photos!!!).

I don't think that we should completely cut out the mention of FOSS, but we
should be focusing on it as it applies primarily to Ubuntu.  The discussion
in general about FOSS (What is it? How does it work? etc) is covered in so
many other places, we shouldn't need to cover that debate, as it will only
end up confusing for casual consumers.

>Careful with analogies & counter-factuals: Here in New Zealand, McDonalds
*does
>*market farmers' beef. All meat is free range here. I see it as the NZ
>corporation distancing itself from practices everywhere else in the world.

Sorry, I was pretty grumpy when I was writing this post.  It was after a
long day of work.  My point here wasn't to focus on restaurants.  It was to
explain that we should only be using arguments that will support Ubuntu, and
reduce consumer confusion, because a confused potential customer, is less
likely to buy.

Where I'm from, few, if any, restaurants advertise free range.  Some places
are just now beginning to advertise "Local Produce."  A lot of people still
get confused by these terms, because they aren't sure if it means organic,
within the state, region, country, etc.  So, since it is confusing, it's
just not used much.

By marketing FOSS in general, I think that we have a lot more to lose than
to gain, because of the confusion still associated with it.  Most people are
still not sure what to think about something that is free (at least in my
experience).

So, back to my original point, we should be marketing benefits/solutions,
and how to easily achieve those.

>These are all features, not benefits. We should be marketing benefits, not
>features. Benefits are much more emotional, which is why consumers make
>purchase decisions. Feature lists have been the status quo that has brought
>Ubuntu to the chasm. They will only slowly bring us out of it.

Improved productivity would be an example of a benefit, a music store is
both a feature and a benefit.  I agree that most of them are features.  The
point is to figure out how features benefit the users, and that is what I
was trying to say here.  We should have materials that show how to do the
most mundane tasks quickly and easily.

>However, is this marketing team able to influence what appears in stores? I
>think we should focus on the demand-side, rather than the supply-side of
>Ubuntu. Let Canonical talk to Dell & HP. This team can focus its energy on
>consumers.

Forgive me, I was under the impression that this list was also connected
with the Canonical team and not just a community marketing list.


Bryan

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Martin Owens]

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 20:14 -0400, Andy Watson wrote:
> I don't want to alarm anyone but a lot of people aren't programmers,
> designers, translators or want to be helpful in anyway. After all, it
> is just an operating system. A lot of people don't care about their
> OS. 
> 
> If you go and start telling them that it's open and they can modify it
> anyway they want, I personally don't think they'd care too much. They
> just want it to work and not have to fuss with it. 

And how do you suppose Ubuntu will continue to work without investment?
We don't need users to get materially involved. but it would be best for
them and for us if they could at least get involved financially.

Ignoring how Ubuntu is made is madness, we're making ourselves poorer by
limiting investment to only OEMs, Mark and those with material skills
and commitment.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Andy Watson]

Re: FOSS being mentioned all the time

I don't want to alarm anyone but a lot of people aren't programmers, designers, 
translators or want to be helpful in anyway. After all, it is just an operating 
system. A lot of people don't care about their OS.

If you go and start telling them that it's open and they can modify it anyway 
they want, I personally don't think they'd care too much. They just want it to 
work and not have to fuss with it.

Re: Linux being advertised with it.

I use to always mention Linux when talking about Ubuntu to someone that had 
never heard of it before. I soon realized that this was a bad idea when 
everyone got a glaze over their eyes and started to hum to themselves once I 
said "Linux".

If you mention Linux, you have to explain first about Ubuntu, then Linux, then 
about distros, etc. It just becomes too much.

Does Apple advertise that a Mac came from Unix or BSD or what it originated 
from? No. We should learn from this huge company that does marketing very well 
and stick with just Ubuntu.

Just my thoughts.

Andy Watson
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On 2010-08-17, at 5:26 PM, Lisandro Vaccaro  wrote:

> I'm sorry. I just hope there were more active projects on the list. 
> idk the wiki has a long way to go before it becomes a decent tool.
> 
> Just for the record, FOSS has to be mentioned, always. There are a lot of 
> reasons for it, bust first of all, the OS is great but if it wasn't FOSS it 
> would just be an average, though very secure OS compared to Mac or Seven.
> 
> That doesn't mean that it can't be said with a different set of words, like 
> for example "everyone is free to use it and improve it" which transfers not 
> only that is FOSS but also opens your way to the benefits of it.
> 
> In the facebook page there are several mentions of FOSS but the word is never 
> written.
> 
> "Be part of something amazing."
> 
> "Ubuntu is a community developed operating system that is perfect for 
> laptops, desktops and servers. Thanks to volunteers from all over the world, 
> everyone can use Ubuntu completely free of charge."
> 
> ...Ubuntu is made for sharing, everyone can use it, change it and improve it."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2010/8/17 Martin Owens 
> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 17:14 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote:
> > I don't want to repeat the same things but unless we set these kind of
> > things straight and record the conclusions somewhere, these
> > discussions are meaningless, even if you two decided on one point or
> > another, what are you going to do? Will anybody even know the
> > discussion take place? You won't change the way all the sites, locos
> > and users handle promotion and in a few weeks someone else will bring
> > the issue back to the MK list.
> 
> Would you mind taking on the job of minute taker? We have that new wiki
> page to record this stuff and perhaps we need some editing and such, but
> we could do with it recorded your right.
> 
> > Also do you handle Ubuntu's page or anything? We are debating about
> > things like if just talking could change the course of the whole
> > Ubuntu community, yet there is no initiative to share the point of
> > view with everyone, no initiative to tell everyone what it would be
> > the right thing to do. It's just a little debate that will end up one
> > way or another and will be lost on the list, again, until somebody in
> > less than a month brings the same issue back, again.
> 
> I thought we did? We are a part of the community and in essence control
> a very small singular part of it. Of course we'd like to convince others
> that are arguments are rational too, for that I use a blog on the
> planet :-D
> 
> If we have a good document, I could promote it to wider circles.
> 
> Martin,
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Tim McNamara]

On 18 August 2010 00:46, Bryan Ogden  wrote:

> I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all.  Marketing teams
> market their products, not anyone else's.  You don't see McDonalds marketing
> for the "farmers" that raise the cattle where they get their beef.  They
> market solutions for hunger.


Careful with analogies & counter-factuals: Here in New Zealand, McDonalds *does
*market farmers' beef. All meat is free range here. I see it as the NZ
corporation distancing itself from practices everywhere else in the world.

Also, top-posting a digest makes it impossible to see what argument you're
unhappy about.

Lastly, please try to stay positive and assume good faith.


> That's what we should be doing with Ubuntu.
>
> So, what are our solutions?
> 1. Productivity - With Ubuntu Office (OOo) you have everything you need and
> more in one package at no extra cost.  This includes built-in compatibility
> with MS Office.
>
...

> 9. The list goes on and on...
>
>
But that's not all.  Have old computers that are starting to get sluggish?
>  Ubuntu is a great replacement for Virus and spyware ridden systems.
>

These are all features, not benefits. We should be marketing benefits, not
features. Benefits are much more emotional, which is why consumers make
purchase decisions. Feature lists have been the status quo that has brought
Ubuntu to the chasm. They will only slowly bring us out of it.

Finally, a system built for humans!!!
>

Agreed! But how to we sell this to consumers?


> Give them a document explaining how to back up their files in Windows XP
> and Vista, so that they can easily move them over to Ubuntu.
>

Do they need a document? The installer does this automatically...


> Secondly, there needs to be some type of info going to Mfg's.  Let's face
> it.  Most people buy a computer, and never mess with the OS.  We have to get
> them at the point of purchase, or they will just stick with Windows.
>

I strongly agree with this sentiment. Until bug #1 is fixed, MS Windows will
always have majority share in the stats.

However, is this marketing team able to influence what appears in stores? I
think we should focus on the demand-side, rather than the supply-side of
Ubuntu. Let Canonical talk to Dell & HP. This team can focus its energy on
consumers.


> Lastly, I think it's great and all that Ubuntu is open source, but it
> should really have the Linux separated from it in the marketing.
>

This was agreed to several weeks ago. It's been Canonical's practice for
several years.

[snip]

We shouldn't be explaining the benefits of using Open Source software.
>  Nobody cares except the people that already know, and even if they do care,
> and don't know, then there are already millions of webpages debating that.
>

I find that statement a little troubling. Are you able to expand on what you
mean? Are you saying that in Ubuntu-specific material, we shouldn't talk
about applications?


> Quick, easy, pointed info promoting Ubuntu and the ways that Ubuntu can
> make your computing experience easier!!!
>

The documentation team is really focused on creating high-quality, free
licenced guides to Ubuntu.


> That's just my opinion though.
>
> Bryan
>

Thanks for your input Brian!  Looking forward to your response.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Martin Owens]

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 18:26 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote:
> I'm sorry. I just hope there were more active projects on the list.
> idk the wiki has a long way to go before it becomes a decent tool. 

*sigh*

So why did you complain about not writing these things down? Your not
prepared to help fix the problem your complaining about.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Lisandro Vaccaro]

I'm sorry. I just hope there were more active projects on the list.
idk the wiki has a long way to go before it becomes a decent tool.

Just for the record, FOSS has to be mentioned, always. There are a lot of
reasons for it, bust first of all, the OS is great but if it wasn't FOSS it
would just be an average, though very secure OS compared to Mac or Seven.

That doesn't mean that it can't be said with a different set of words, like
for example "everyone is free to use it and improve it" which transfers not
only that is FOSS but also opens your way to the benefits of it.

In the facebook page there are several mentions of FOSS but the word is
never written.

"Be part of something amazing."

"Ubuntu is a* community developed* operating system that is perfect for
laptops, desktops and servers.* Thanks to volunteers from all over the
world, everyone can use Ubuntu completely free of charge."*

...Ubuntu is made for sharing, everyone can use it, change it and improve
it."




2010/8/17 Martin Owens 

> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 17:14 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote:
> > I don't want to repeat the same things but unless we set these kind of
> > things straight and record the conclusions somewhere, these
> > discussions are meaningless, even if you two decided on one point or
> > another, what are you going to do? Will anybody even know the
> > discussion take place? You won't change the way all the sites, locos
> > and users handle promotion and in a few weeks someone else will bring
> > the issue back to the MK list.
>
> Would you mind taking on the job of minute taker? We have that new wiki
> page to record this stuff and perhaps we need some editing and such, but
> we could do with it recorded your right.
>
> > Also do you handle Ubuntu's page or anything? We are debating about
> > things like if just talking could change the course of the whole
> > Ubuntu community, yet there is no initiative to share the point of
> > view with everyone, no initiative to tell everyone what it would be
> > the right thing to do. It's just a little debate that will end up one
> > way or another and will be lost on the list, again, until somebody in
> > less than a month brings the same issue back, again.
>
> I thought we did? We are a part of the community and in essence control
> a very small singular part of it. Of course we'd like to convince others
> that are arguments are rational too, for that I use a blog on the
> planet :-D
>
> If we have a good document, I could promote it to wider circles.
>
> Martin,
>
>


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Martin Owens]

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 17:14 -0300, Lisandro Vaccaro wrote:
> I don't want to repeat the same things but unless we set these kind of
> things straight and record the conclusions somewhere, these
> discussions are meaningless, even if you two decided on one point or
> another, what are you going to do? Will anybody even know the
> discussion take place? You won't change the way all the sites, locos
> and users handle promotion and in a few weeks someone else will bring
> the issue back to the MK list. 

Would you mind taking on the job of minute taker? We have that new wiki
page to record this stuff and perhaps we need some editing and such, but
we could do with it recorded your right.

> Also do you handle Ubuntu's page or anything? We are debating about
> things like if just talking could change the course of the whole
> Ubuntu community, yet there is no initiative to share the point of
> view with everyone, no initiative to tell everyone what it would be
> the right thing to do. It's just a little debate that will end up one
> way or another and will be lost on the list, again, until somebody in
> less than a month brings the same issue back, again. 

I thought we did? We are a part of the community and in essence control
a very small singular part of it. Of course we'd like to convince others
that are arguments are rational too, for that I use a blog on the
planet :-D

If we have a good document, I could promote it to wider circles.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Lisandro Vaccaro]

I don't want to repeat the same things but unless we set these kind of
things straight and record the conclusions somewhere, these discussions are
meaningless, even if you two decided on one point or another, what are you
going to do? Will anybody even know the discussion take place? You won't
change the way all the sites, locos and users handle promotion and in a few
weeks someone else will bring the issue back to the MK list.

Also do you handle Ubuntu's page or anything? We are debating about things
like if just talking could change the course of the whole Ubuntu community,
yet there is no initiative to share the point of view with everyone, no
initiative to tell everyone what it would be the right thing to do. It's
just a little debate that will end up one way or another and will be lost on
the list, again, until somebody in less than a month brings the same issue
back, again.


2010/8/17 Martin Owens 

> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:46 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> > I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all.  Marketing teams
> > market their products, not anyone else's.  You don't see McDonalds
> > marketing for the "farmers" that raise the cattle where they get their
> > beef.  They market solutions for hunger.
>
> Yes that's right! food producers never say anything about
> sustainability, organic, fair trade or environmentally friendly:
>
>
> http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/csr/about/sustainable_supply/best-of-sustainable-supply-chain.html
>
> FOSS is our Fair Trade, it would be a mistake to ditch it just because
> it's something we don't quite understand. I've seen too many people
> equate open source with Linux. As if one was the other. This is very
> frustrating because many people really do think they have a handle on
> this but really don't.
>
> Martin,
>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Martin Owens]

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:46 +0900, Bryan Ogden wrote:
> I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all.  Marketing teams
> market their products, not anyone else's.  You don't see McDonalds
> marketing for the "farmers" that raise the cattle where they get their
> beef.  They market solutions for hunger.

Yes that's right! food producers never say anything about
sustainability, organic, fair trade or environmentally friendly:

http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/csr/about/sustainable_supply/best-of-sustainable-supply-chain.html

FOSS is our Fair Trade, it would be a mistake to ditch it just because
it's something we don't quite understand. I've seen too many people
equate open source with Linux. As if one was the other. This is very
frustrating because many people really do think they have a handle on
this but really don't.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20

[Bryan Ogden]

I'm actually shocked that this is an argument at all.  Marketing teams
market their products, not anyone else's.  You don't see McDonalds marketing
for the "farmers" that raise the cattle where they get their beef.  They
market solutions for hunger.

That's what we should be doing with Ubuntu.

So, what are our solutions?
1. Productivity - With Ubuntu Office (OOo) you have everything you need and
more in one package at no extra cost.  This includes built-in compatibility
with MS Office.
2. Photo Management - Included photo manager (F-Spot)
3. Graphics Processing - Ability to create and edit beautiful graphics using
Gimp, which is widely accepted, used, and has hundreds, if not thousands of
available plugins.
4. Security - Ubuntu is much safer, and is less prone to wild viruses.
5. Better Peripheral support - Ubuntu has built in drivers for most of
today's most popular hardware.
6. Store important documents with Ubuntu One
7. Thousands of solutions packaged in every install, and more only one click
away in the Ubuntu Store!!!
8. DRM Free Music store for music enthusiasts!!!
9. The list goes on and on...

But that's not all.  Have old computers that are starting to get sluggish?
 Ubuntu is a great replacement for Virus and spyware ridden systems.

Finally, a system built for humans!!!

Give them a document explaining how to back up their files in Windows XP and
Vista, so that they can easily move them over to Ubuntu.

Secondly, there needs to be some type of info going to Mfg's.  Let's face
it.  Most people buy a computer, and never mess with the OS.  We have to get
them at the point of purchase, or they will just stick with Windows.  Mfg's
need to be giving the consumers the option to purchase a computer running
Ubuntu, AND there needs to be an explanation alongside that explaining the
benefits AND setbacks of using a Linux based OS.

Lastly, I think it's great and all that Ubuntu is open source, but it should
really have the Linux separated from it in the marketing.  The reason is
because with most people, Linux still has a bad rap for being a clunky
unusable system used only by fat oily nerds that live in their grandmother's
basement.  They don't realize that most of their electronics run on Linux
now.  Instead of educating people about other open source software, just
remove the Linux from the marketing altogether.  Ubuntu should be a product
of it's own.  All the applications included will have the names of
responsible parties properly attached within the programs, so why do we need
to focus on it when trying to convince people to buy.

All we should have to explain is that Ubuntu was created by Conical as a way
to create an operating system that anybody can use!!!

We shouldn't be explaining the benefits of using Open Source software.
 Nobody cares except the people that already know, and even if they do care,
and don't know, then there are already millions of webpages debating that.

Quick, easy, pointed info promoting Ubuntu and the ways that Ubuntu can make
your computing experience easier!!!

That's just my opinion though.

Bryan

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> This kind of debates can go on forever. Unless we finally decide what are
> our sentiments regarding this kind of issues we'll never move forward than
> being a place to toss out ideas.
>
> And believe it or not there isn't a Canonical team ready to work on these
> ideas and nobody except ourselves will do anything to promote Ubuntu; so
> either we develop a more organized marketing strategy or we all watch
> silently how Ubuntu fails or successes on it's own. Constructive criticism
> is great but we can't be always in the same stage, the next step is to say,
> great what do we do about it?.
>
> We all share the same frustrations and we all share the same point of view
> on most subjects and most importantly we all want the sam

[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing discussion on LinkedIn

[Tim McNamara]

Hi everyone,

For those who have signed up to LinkedIn, there is a very similar discussion
taking place:

Microsoft is mandating that no more XP be shipped after Oct. 22, 2010. Is
now the time to launch a social media campaign to invite people to try
Ubuntu?

Perhaps a website and a professionals directory? What are your thoughts?


This makes me think that there is something of a groundswell of opinion.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3

[Ferdinand Lehnard]

Hi there,

following the discussion just recently whether "Viral Videos" or TV Ad
would be a way to promote Ubuntu, I like to say both ways are good.
For me there are other questions, who should be addressed first, before
starting any of these activities.

Who is the target group? Is it the standard home user, the technical
freak, the multimedia enthusiast, the business man, the teacher, or
whom?
Everyone has individual demands and expectations into his OS-system. How
is it with public administrations and services, organisations, health
care and educational institutions? The common denominator is that the OS
system should be able to be linked with the respective software packages
needed to satisfy their expectations and/or professional requirements.
It doesn't matter that much what system is running the computer,
important for most of the users is that the job is done on a more or
less easy way. The people don't want to fiddle around much with "hash"
and "bash", terminal commands etc. 

My opinion is to start first on the educational section - get schools to
run there computer-classes on Ubuntu systems. It's an ideal system for
education. Low budget and very variable and stable if we look into the
LTS versions. The school, the community as well as the government should
be interested to save some money which can be used on other projects.
Children and young people are looking for challenges and are open for
new ideas. When they start to understand the system, learn that they are
not just user, that they can active contribute with their own ideas -
that's what we have to submit. Workshops and Information evenings at
schools, with parent communities - that's a way.
When they grow up with a system they stay with the system - that's how
it was since the 80's as the first PC's appeared. Things you get used,
you don't like to miss.

Of course it's a question of prestige to run the latest PC with the
latest software. Ubuntu offers each half year an upgrade with more and
more features. For those people, Markus described in his mail, who
always follow the trend - one of the trends called understatement.
Understatement is fashioned - the opensource community is
understatement, means fashion.

To be successful means we have to win the user, but also the computer
retailer to offer Linux as an option. The more important and also more
difficult part will be, to get software providers in the boat to offer
their various software packages for Linux in combination with other
opensource software, i. e. openoffice. It's for sure, if they see a
growing number of Linux users, they will provide alternatives. Well,
there are a huge number of open source packages for different
applications available. some are very well maintained, others since a
couple of years not maintained and those who just started, but not
stable or usable. Honestly, they do not always offer what is needed to
run the business or just difficult to understand because of lack of
efficient documentation. 

We have to convince the user regardless private or professional, that
there is an adequate number of software solutions available for them to
meet their needs, either proprietary and/or opensource. With one word:
Acceptance

One thing we also have to bring forward: Show the people the great idea
and philosophy of Ubuntu, show them that there is a great community who
gives support in all ways.

Furthermore, specially the professional user needs to have integration
and migration packages available to replace other OS systems or to run a
dual system during an interim phase.  And here we have already a further
approach - show small and medium sized entrepreneurs a way to safe money
by using alternative software. First target - people who start with a
business, second target - people who have to upgrade the system. Work
out a reliable cost-benefit analysis and show the benefits they get in
using Ubuntu in combination wit appropriate opensource and even
proprietary software. That's where companies like Canonical, Sugar,
Openbravo and/or Sun are coming in.

If there is a way to address all this, a big step will be done.

Don't see just Ubuntu - Ubuntu is just an entrance door to a great
world.

regards
Ferdinand


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 47, Issue 9

[Mouahed Nahali]

Hello,
One of our Tunisian LoCo is now in Canada to continue his studies. He was an
active member in our LoCo and now he want to do the same in Canada. He's
looking for help and support. Here is his mail :

Hello Canadian Ubuntero,
My name is Mouahed and I am a student who is a member of Ubuntu Tunisian
LoCo and a representative of my Mozilla Firefox College CCNB. I participated
in several Ubuntu conferences in universities or colleges, I am a member in
two other Mozilla campus reps for the Advancement of Mozilla Firefox and a
Tunisian association for the promotion of free software. I'm here in Moncton
for almost a month exactly to the city of Dieppe, I study Marketing but my
real passion is the 'computer and it has long been a dream that I make an
event at the college where I am studying at CCNB has devoted Mozilla Firefox
and Ubuntu first, I started contacting the head of my department but one day
my teacher is a passionate computer asked me to help replace Windowss xp or
vista because it has made a puddle of days not free it from what I'm talking
all the time in general especially of Linux with my friends who are studying
in multimedia or web. I would like to have your help and support all members
of Ubuntu here in Canada are welcome, the problem is that the department
head asked me three questions which I could not answer now because there are
many things to do before it is mainly to have contact with the Ubuntu
community here, in all cases the head of department is delighted by the idea
if he told me he has a contract with Microsoft and its products, but I want
it to target all the world teachers and students there are many preparations
to do before that's why I need your help any help is welcome and thank you
in advance for replying will be celebrated the next version of the Ubuntu
9.10 as it should.
Best regards
Mouahed
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Skype: mouahed.nahali; gmail: mouahed.elnahali
my cell phone number, 506 961 2135; my Blog dedicated to Ubuntu;
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1

[Rubén Romero y Cordero]

Hei Jason,

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Jason Cruickshank  wrote:

> I believe the most important piece is simply getting materials
> prepared for use by the loco's.  We need some professional looking PDF
> posters that can be printed and posted by users to encourage usage.
> Things like a 30 second video ad would also be helpful for some of the
> bigger loco's looking to do some web or tv advertising.  We need to
> have these materials prepared and then the loco's and the users can
> look at funding the ad properties and distributing the materials.
>
>
There's a material repository available: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/

If you should find the material you are describing somewhere in the web I
invite you to upload it to the SpreadUbuntu site so other can have access to
it.


> Jason Cruickshank
>


> On 2009-11-02, at 6:37 PM, ubuntu-marketing-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
> wrote:
> [...]


Regards,

Rubén Romero
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1

[Jason Cruickshank]

alendar and can add an event to the  
> Fridge if
> a date for the meeting is decided upon. A while ago i tried to  
> revive the
> Marketing Team, beautified and reorganized the wiki, but there  
> didn't seem
> to be any consistent activities for the team, only specific projects  
> that
> team members had started. I am very willing to help out as much as i  
> can,
> but i'm not sure if i want to take up the main leadership role, as  
> i'm not
> sure what direction the team should go in and exactly what the team  
> should
> be doing.
>
> I've already been trying to lead the Gaming Team (which is a sub  
> team) and i
> haven't had enough time or help from members to keep it going as  
> strong as
> it was in the first couple of months.
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 19:26, Alan Pope  wrote:
>
>> 2009/11/3 Martin Owens :
>>> Perhaps we need an administrative assistant to organize these  
>>> things, I
>>> asked about the fridge, I have no idea how to add things to it,  
>>> other
>>> promotions such as the loco teams list and the planet would be  
>>> good too.
>>>
>>
>> It's detailed here:- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
>>
>>> People's Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> My thoughts, put simply.
>>
>> The Ubuntu community could do with a coordinated marketing effort,  
>> and
>> that requires leadership. If an appropriate person is thinking of
>> stepping up to the plate to lead the team where no other persons have
>> expressed an interest, I say go for it. In the event that multiple
>> persons step up to the plate then some system of selection should be
>> taken and a leader (or leaders) of the team chosen.
>>
>> Without leadership this team is destined to languish, whither and die
>> or meander aimlessly.
>>
>> Just my 2p.
>>
>> I propose a meeting where this is discussed is arranged for sometime
>> "soon", and is added to the calendar and promoted as necessary.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
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> Well, We Should Keep The Team Alive Or Else Microsoft Will  
> Definitely Have A
> Lot More Users Then Ubuntu. Our Purpose Is To Fix Bug #1 And Keep  
> Ubuntu An
> Active Project And To Attract More Users To The Wonderful World Of  
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> Need A Strong Leader To Help Us Attract More Users And Fix Bug #1.
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> From: "Darkwing Duck" 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet
>   again!)with a focus on simple activism
> Cc: "Ubuntu Marketing" 
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> I have a simple question/point that may seem a bit trivial. What  
> does the Marketing team have to offer that the LoCos don't already?
>
> I mean, with no funding it's not likely we will run an ad campaign  
> so we are basically running a system that is in a mild competition  
> with LoCos? Maybe that's why we aren't getting the support we need.
>
> If we could pull together an idea that was new, fresh AND didn't  
> step on the toes of the LoCo groups I think we could find ourselves  
> pushing north/south and not east/west.
>
> I agree more needs to be done for getting the word out there.  
> However I feel that we are trying to reinvent the wheel and create a  
> redundancy instead of coming up with new ideas.
>
> DW
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> From: Martin Owens
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> To: Alan Pope
> Cc: Ubuntu Marketing
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet  
> again!)with a focus on simple activism
> Sent: Nov 2, 2009 16:04
>
> I completely agree,
>
> Although my own participation wasn't because I didn't remember, but
> because I was stuck on a bloody Grey Hound bus half way between  
> Vermont
> and Boston with a driver who couldn't drive any more and a farce to
> rival monty python.
>
> It's sad that were wasn't more people, and I'd like to apologize to
> everyone for my absence.
>
> Perhaps we need an administrative assistant to organize these  
> things, I
> asked about the fridge, I have no idea how to add things to it, other
> promotions such as the loco teams list and the planet would be good  
> too.
>
> People's Thoughts?
>
> Now I'll just catch the ULCP meeting.
>
> Martin,
>
> On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 23:30 +, Alan Pope wrote:
>> 2009/10/22 Martin Owens :
>>> If you feel there is such a problem and it can't be reconciled, then
>>> we'll call a meeting. How does Monday 2nd November 2009, 23:00 UTC  
>>> (6pm
>>> EST) sound, we'll have it in #ubuntu-meeting and make sure that the
>>> community knows it's going on.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know if this was a serious suggestion or not, but there  
>> didn't
>> seem to be many people turn up. I guess a lack of promotion and no
>> fridge calendar item may have led to this.
>>
>> If people are serious about reviving the marketing team, perhaps we
>> can try again with an agenda, and a well promoted meeting?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
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[Danny Piccirillo]

I'm not sure why you started a new thread since we're already discussing in
the other thread how to best get the team going again.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 19:36, Felix Campbell wrote:

> Well, We Should Keep The Team Alive Or Else Microsoft Will Definitely Have
> A Lot More Users Then Ubuntu. Our Purpose Is To Fix Bug #1 And Keep Ubuntu
> An Active Project And To Attract More Users To The Wonderful World Of Linux.
> We Need A Strong Leader To Help Us Attract More Users And Fix Bug #1.
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Well, We Should Keep The Team Alive Or Else Microsoft Will Definitely Have A
Lot More Users Then Ubuntu. Our Purpose Is To Fix Bug #1 And Keep Ubuntu An
Active Project And To Attract More Users To The Wonderful World Of Linux. We
Need A Strong Leader To Help Us Attract More Users And Fix Bug #1.
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[Jason]

I've read the above thread and lots of people have a lot of input... Which
is great... I could help with some parts of the project. Specially doing
simple tasks such as copy pasting from Scribus to HTML editor and making
sure that everything is able to navigate back and forth...I have minimal
HTML skills but these days the HTML editors are great... I'm a marketing
grad so I pretty much know nothing about coding... But I would like to learn
and be involved... I was involved in a project within the last six months
which is now AIESEC Monash 
Not sure how much time I can commit as I'm in the midst of job hunting...
But I am happy to help. If I am about to leave the project I
will definitely train someone while transitioning...Let me know what you'll
think.

Perhaps Greg and Martin can show us what they are talking about as an
example somewhere. That way there is a team of editors and there is another
team that provides ideas on innovative ways to speed processes by using
technology.

As for the Google Docs issue.. I actually use Google Docs quite a lot
to collaborate with members from AIESEC Monash... You can invite people to
make changes to the document as collaborators, viewers and practically
anyone if they have access to a special link that the document generates via
the share button, click on "Get the link to share".

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2009/8/4 Greg Rundlett (freephile) 

> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Ronnie Tucker
> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like your going to have to if you want it to take up less time.
> >
> > For instance, I'm dead set against the wiki being used as a database
> > like this. It's not meant for collaborative writing and is the wrong
> > tool for the job. Even a google doc spreadsheet would be more structured
> > as you could export it.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure about now, but when I last looked in to Google Docs (prior
> to
> > using a wiki) it had some limitations, file size if I remember rightly,
> > which meant we couldn't open a new document with the necessary images in
> the
> > document. Also using Google Docs would mean inviting proof-readers to
> each
> > document which is a bit of a pain, unless this has changed...
> >
> > Get together some scripts to generate svg xml based on your data, then
> > you a hop away from just re-editing it in place instead of copying and
> > pasting.
> >
> > Your also on track to be able to feed it into html.
> >
> >
> > I have no idea about that stuff and, since we're volunteer based, if
> people
> > don't volunteer, I can't magic them (but I wish I could!)  :/
> >
> > Ultimately what you want is a way for all your writers and collaborators
> > to contribute and for there to be a very minimal set of editing tasks
> > that join everything together.
> >
> >
> > Absolutely, but there doesn't seem to be a good set of tools available at
> > the moment. Most CMS apps are either missing something or just do what we
> do
> > now (ie: wiki).
>
> I believe this can be done creating the HTML version first, and use
> that to create PDF.  The MediaWiki system can be extended to use the
> "Collections" system which can generate PDF output.  If you skinned
> the wiki to create the look of your magazine, and used article
> subpages to create the multiple pages of each edition, you could then
> publish to PDF while the article was maintained in wiki text markup.
> See http://freephile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Collections as a
> backgrounder. Several books have been authored and published this way.
>
> The beauty of using the wiki as your "pre-press" environment is that
> it has all the goodness of diff and collaboration plus it can serve
> the content to the HTML world.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
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[Greg Rundlett (freephile)]

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
>
> Sounds like your going to have to if you want it to take up less time.
>
> For instance, I'm dead set against the wiki being used as a database
> like this. It's not meant for collaborative writing and is the wrong
> tool for the job. Even a google doc spreadsheet would be more structured
> as you could export it.
>
>
> I'm not sure about now, but when I last looked in to Google Docs (prior to
> using a wiki) it had some limitations, file size if I remember rightly,
> which meant we couldn't open a new document with the necessary images in the
> document. Also using Google Docs would mean inviting proof-readers to each
> document which is a bit of a pain, unless this has changed...
>
> Get together some scripts to generate svg xml based on your data, then
> you a hop away from just re-editing it in place instead of copying and
> pasting.
>
> Your also on track to be able to feed it into html.
>
>
> I have no idea about that stuff and, since we're volunteer based, if people
> don't volunteer, I can't magic them (but I wish I could!)  :/
>
> Ultimately what you want is a way for all your writers and collaborators
> to contribute and for there to be a very minimal set of editing tasks
> that join everything together.
>
>
> Absolutely, but there doesn't seem to be a good set of tools available at
> the moment. Most CMS apps are either missing something or just do what we do
> now (ie: wiki).

I believe this can be done creating the HTML version first, and use
that to create PDF.  The MediaWiki system can be extended to use the
"Collections" system which can generate PDF output.  If you skinned
the wiki to create the look of your magazine, and used article
subpages to create the multiple pages of each edition, you could then
publish to PDF while the article was maintained in wiki text markup.
See http://freephile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Collections as a
backgrounder. Several books have been authored and published this way.

The beauty of using the wiki as your "pre-press" environment is that
it has all the goodness of diff and collaboration plus it can serve
the content to the HTML world.

I hope that helps.

Best regards,

Greg


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[Ronnie Tucker]

  Sounds like your going to have to if you want it to take up less time.

For instance, I'm dead set against the wiki being used as a database
like this. It's not meant for collaborative writing and is the wrong
tool for the job. Even a google doc spreadsheet would be more structured
as you could export it.
  

I'm not sure about now, but when I last looked in to Google Docs (prior
to using a wiki) it had some limitations, file size if I remember
rightly, which meant we couldn't open a new document with the necessary
images in the document. Also using Google Docs would mean inviting
proof-readers to each document which is a bit of a pain, unless this
has changed...


  Get together some scripts to generate svg xml based on your data, then
you a hop away from just re-editing it in place instead of copying and
pasting.

Your also on track to be able to feed it into html.
  

I have no idea about that stuff and, since we're volunteer based, if
people don't volunteer, I can't magic them (but I wish I could!)  :/


  Ultimately what you want is a way for all your writers and collaborators
to contribute and for there to be a very minimal set of editing tasks
that join everything together.
  

Absolutely, but there doesn't seem to be a good set of tools available
at the moment. Most CMS apps are either missing something or just do
what we do now (ie: wiki).


  Last thing we want is one bloke doing all the work manually and getting
the right tools together is just as much about saving your future time

True, but I can only work with what I have I'm afraid...   :/

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[Martin Owens]

On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 19:27 +0100, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> Also I can't dedicate any more time to the project, it already takes
> up several weekends each month, every month, so I can't really alter
> my work-flow too much...

Sounds like your going to have to if you want it to take up less time.

For instance, I'm dead set against the wiki being used as a database
like this. It's not meant for collaborative writing and is the wrong
tool for the job. Even a google doc spreadsheet would be more structured
as you could export it.

Get together some scripts to generate svg xml based on your data, then
you a hop away from just re-editing it in place instead of copying and
pasting.

Your also on track to be able to feed it into html.

Ultimately what you want is a way for all your writers and collaborators
to contribute and for there to be a very minimal set of editing tasks
that join everything together.

Last thing we want is one bloke doing all the work manually and getting
the right tools together is just as much about saving your future time.

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[Ronnie Tucker]

Hi Martin,


  Perhaps what you need is a systematic solution, instead of a brace such
as proposed.

If the work-flow of your writing generated a set of header / text body
sections, then a script could do the work of generating html and pdf
bodies based on templates. You'd then just need some editorial time to
put in the images.

I think the best solutions are going to be ones that involve the
workflow improving, speeding up and becoming more structured, so html
can be a natural output, instead of an add on extra.
  

I agree with the basics of what you're saying, but unfortunately it's
not a case of copy/paste an article in to Scribus or to an HTML page. I
wish it was!  :D

Articles are pasted to a wiki where they can be proof-read and edited,
from there they'll land in the Scribus template, but sometimes more
(short) edits must be done to make the story fit the page(s) so the
Scribus/PDF article can sometimes be slightly different from the
HTML/wiki article. Some times it's no big deal, sometimes it can mean
an entire paragraph/two being lobbed off.

Effectively we have all the issues as HTML, but in a wiki and no-one
wants to take on the job of putting in the images. They'd need to be in
the right places with possibly pointers (above left, below right etc.)
and, obviously, have a nice layout.

Also I can't dedicate any more time to the project, it already takes up
several weekends each month, every month, so I can't really alter my
work-flow too much...

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[Martin Owens]

Hey Ronnie,

On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 16:46 +0100, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> I've tried several times to find people to maintain an HTML version of
> FCM but no-one wants to take it on. It'd be quite a job, there's no
> doubt about that.
> 
> The PDF should work on older machines, try making it full screen or
> make sure that your PDF viewer is only displaying one page at a time
> and not scrolling down through all 30+ pages and creating thumbnails.
> 
> If anyone would like to take on creating an HTML version, drop me an
> email and we can discuss it, but please make sure you can do it *each
> and every month*, not just one or two issues then vanish.

Perhaps what you need is a systematic solution, instead of a brace such
as proposed.

If the work-flow of your writing generated a set of header / text body
sections, then a script could do the work of generating html and pdf
bodies based on templates. You'd then just need some editorial time to
put in the images.

I think the best solutions are going to be ones that involve the
workflow improving, speeding up and becoming more structured, so html
can be a natural output, instead of an add on extra.

Just my two sense thoughts.

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[Ronnie Tucker]

tdown banner
To: Martin Owens <docto...@gmail.com>
Cc: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com,
ubuntu-webs...@lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi everybody,

Is it possible to get a 125x125 banner and horizontal and vertical ones
for
the next time ?

The 125x125 banner is the usually used format for wordpress blogs and
other
websites.

Thanks in advance

quesh / frederic mande

2009/6/24 Martin Owens <docto...@gmail.com>

> Hey Rafik,
>
> "It's here", What's here? It says Ubuntu right?
>
> Even if after a while it became a generic "Ubuntu 9.04" Button,
that
> would be useful.
>
> Martin,
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 14:42 +0100, Rafik Ouerchefani wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Like many others, I have the Ubuntu countdown banner[1] on my
blog
> > permanently.
> > Over the year, it's a countdown for 30 x 2 days. Add to them,
let's
> > say 14 x 2 days to usefully show "It's here". In the other
277 days,
> > the banner is useless.
> >
> > At the moment, it only shows "It's here"... and will still
show the
> > same thing until the end of September..
> >
> > Can't we make it more useful and let it show some dynamic
content like
> > tips and advertising messages ? The Marketing Team could help
on this.
> >
> > [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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> >
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Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] Full Circle #26 - out now!
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Full Circle Magazine - Issue #26

Full Circle - the independent magazine for the Ubuntu Linux community
are proud to announce the release of our twenty-sixth issue.

This month:

* Command and Conquer ? MOC & IRSSI
* How To: Ubuntu As A Guest, Apt-Cacher, and Inkscape ? Part 3.
* My Story ? Why I Converted To Linux.
* Review ? WebHTTrack
* MOTU Interview ? Stefan Ebner.
* Top 5 ? Linux-powered Devices.
* Ubuntu Women, Ubuntu Games, and all the usual goodness!

As usual, you can download it here: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-26/
    
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Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] Reminder: First Ubuntu Gaming Team
       Meeting!
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I just wanted to remind everybody interested about the upcoming Ubuntu
Gaming Team meeting in #ubuntu-gaming
http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2009/06/first-ubuntu-gaming-team-meeting.html

Here's the Agenda so far:

  - Defining our team
     - Address concerns
     - Go over goals, purpose, and scope
  - Technical discussions
     - How to coordinate with Debian and Freedesktop games
     - What we can do within the scope of the team
     - LP #386797 to address the need for distributed content
development
  - Projects
     - Ubuntu Gaming Clan
        - Play cross-platform FOSS games with an Ubuntu gamer tag
        - Organization
        - What games?
     - Fundraisers
        - How often
        - How to elect games
        - How to collect and distribute funds
     - Tournaments and Matches
        - What games?
        - How to organize
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 45, Issue 1

[Jason]

I like the Ubuntu magazine. But couldn't it be also placed on the website as
html. I hate PDF documents... Specially the magazine one because I use an
old computer and it slows everything down...
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>   3. Re:  Ubuntu countdown banner (frederic mande)
>   4.  Full Circle #26 - out now! (Ronnie Tucker)
>   5.  Reminder: First Ubuntu Gaming Team Meeting! (Danny Piccirillo)
>   6.  FCM#27 - marketing preview (Ronnie Tucker)
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>   8.  Full Circle #27 - out now! (Ronnie Tucker)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:42:45 +0100
> From: Rafik Ouerchefani 
> Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu countdown banner
> To: ubuntu-webs...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
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> Hello,
>
> Like many others, I have the Ubuntu countdown banner[1] on my blog
> permanently.
> Over the year, it's a countdown for 30 x 2 days. Add to them, let's say 14
> x
> 2 days to usefully show "It's here". In the other 277 days, the banner is
> useless.
>
> At the moment, it only shows "It's here"... and will still show the same
> thing until the end of September..
>
> Can't we make it more useful and let it show some dynamic content like tips
> and advertising messages ? The Marketing Team could help on this.
>
> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
>
> Regards,
>
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:16:55 -0400
> From: Martin Owens 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu countdown banner
> To: Rafik Ouerchefani 
> Cc: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-webs...@lists.ubuntu.com
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> Hey Rafik,
>
> "It's here", What's here? It says Ubuntu right?
>
> Even if after a while it became a generic "Ubuntu 9.04" Button, that
> would be useful.
>
> Martin,
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 14:42 +0100, Rafik Ouerchefani wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Like many others, I have the Ubuntu countdown banner[1] on my blog
> > permanently.
> > Over the year, it's a countdown for 30 x 2 days. Add to them, let's
> > say 14 x 2 days to usefully show "It's here". In the other 277 days,
> > the banner is useless.
> >
> > At the moment, it only shows "It's here"... and will still show the
> > same thing until the end of September..
> >
> > Can't we make it more useful and let it show some dynamic content like
> > tips and advertising messages ? The Marketing Team could help on this.
> >
> > [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Rafik
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:58:11 +0200
> From: frederic mande 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu countdown banner
> To: Martin Owens 
> Cc: ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-webs...@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
><904581100906240958t5ad19bb1l6dfc5d5f5805d...@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Is it possible to get a 125x125 banner and horizontal and vertical ones for
> the next time ?
>
> The 125x125 banner is the usually used format for wordpress blogs and other
> websites.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> quesh / frederic mande
>
> 2009/6/24 Martin Owens 
>
> > Hey Rafik,
> >
> > "It's here", What's here? It says Ubuntu right?
> >
> > Even if after a while it became a generic "Ubuntu 9.04" Button, that
> > would be useful.
> >
> > Martin,
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 14:42 +0100, Rafik Ouerchefani wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Like many others, I have the Ubuntu countdown banner[1] on my blog
> > > permanently.
> > > Over the year, it's a countdown for 30 x 2 days. Add to them, let's
> > > say 14 x 2 days to usefully show "It's here". In th

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 44, Issue 8

[Mouahed Nahali]

Hello everyone

this very usefull

Brochure "About Ubuntu"

You bring up news around Ubuntu takes quite some time. But it also
happens that I was directly contacted and I am always a huge pleasure.
Today is Aurélien Paulus [1] I reported the existence of a booklet
called "About Ubuntu" [2].

 Learn (or do know) Ubuntu with this mini 6-page illustrated and
in color. Designed for Linux and other groups of users of free
software, this document contains everything that should or want to
know the curious who want to embark on the Ubuntu experience. GNU /
Linux desktop environment, Linux distributions, Open Office, Firefox,
comparison of the requirements techinque ... all concepts are
explained step by step. This document is not intended to replace the
official documentation, on the contrary, it directs the reader to it
through links (printable) and explanations for identifying problems
and how to proceed.

 Printer Friendly (3 pages 6 A4 or A3), and illustrated in color,
in a seller but honest to content, the document created with Scribus
will be updated with each new version of Ubuntu.

 This document was created with Scribus and is dual licensed under
GNU / FDL and Creative Commons BY-SA.

This brochure has been translated into English and Dutch version is
coming soon. You are welcome to support this project and if you master
another language do not hesitate to invest. This booklet will be
re-updated with each new version of Ubuntu.
> permuter
the link : 
http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/fr/brochure/d%C3%A9couvrez-ubuntu

  Mouahed from Tunisia "North
Africa" tunesian ubuntu member





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> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:33:19 -0700
> From: Grant Bowman 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] News Wire Services
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> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Grant Bowman  wrote:
>> Did the Canonical press releases regarding Jaunty [1] get distributed
>> over PR Newswire or Business Wire in the US?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> -- Grant Bowman   
>> -- California LoCo
>>
>>
>> [1] desktop: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-desktop
>>netbook: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-unr
>>server: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-server
>
>
> I'll take the silence as a negative answer.  I've done some checking.
>
> Background:
>
> In the US there are specialist wire services specializing in just press
> releases, specifically PR Newswire and Business Wire.  One can pay to
> get a press release sent on these.  However distribution doesn't mean
> that stories are "picked up".  Media organizations may publish/run it
> or they might cut it up and run only a portion.
>
> There are also specialized wire services for feature stories: AP, UPI
> and Reuters.  These have content written by newspaper reporters and
> journalists who work for those news wire organizations.  It is more
> difficult to get something sent across these wire services as there is
> little direct control but I think most of these journalists have
> access to the press release wires.
>
> Impact:
>
> I feel distributing the press releases in the US is an important step
> in reaching all US (perhaps wider) press outlets and raising Ubuntu's
> exposure.  More than Red Hat or SuSE Enterprise Linux is being used in
> the US though it's hard for average journalists to tell if only Red
> Hat, Fedora & Novell are sending press releases.  The cost to
> distribute a press release via the PR Newswire or Business Wire is a
> few hundred dollars per press release depending on exactly how it's
> distributed.  Surely the impact of this could be widely leveraged by
> all LoCos in the US and beyond.
>
> Are there any further thoughts on how to make this happen for Karmic?
>
> --
> -- Grant Bowman   
> -- California LoCo
>
>
>
> 

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Mouahed Nahali]

Hi everyone I made some ideas that it was in my mind before it's to use
Tiwitter or Facebook by displaying  funny and humoristic videos about
Mozilla Firefox such as the videos about the faster Firefox 3.5 and it was
seen and shared by many of my freinds I felt so happy about that I hope
people will do the same or better to spread Firefox more and more. Any
comments ??

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing?

[Nick Ali]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Nick Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Simon Schneebeli
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Actually, since this release party last month,  I have the idea in my
>> head to write something like a guide on "how to organise a perfect
>> release party". Instead of reinventing anything from scratch I thought
>> I'd first look on what's going. I don't want to digg into this
>> organisational problem and I'm not sure whether I have enought time to
>> read all of your e-mail exchange. I just need some up do date
>> information on the ubuntu marketing strategy. Is there any webpage or
>> document that contains anything usable?
>>
>
> Release parties mean different things to different people. Try adding
> your thoughts to the following links:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseParty
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoRunningInstallfests

And this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtInstallFests

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing?

[Nick Ali]

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Simon Schneebeli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, since this release party last month,  I have the idea in my
> head to write something like a guide on "how to organise a perfect
> release party". Instead of reinventing anything from scratch I thought
> I'd first look on what's going. I don't want to digg into this
> organisational problem and I'm not sure whether I have enought time to
> read all of your e-mail exchange. I just need some up do date
> information on the ubuntu marketing strategy. Is there any webpage or
> document that contains anything usable?
>

Release parties mean different things to different people. Try adding
your thoughts to the following links:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseParty
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoRunningInstallfests

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing?

[John Botscharow]

That's a large part of what the meeting will determine. Things are very
much in flux right now.
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 00:34 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote:
> Actually, since this release party last month,  I have the idea in my 
> head to write something like a guide on "how to organise a perfect 
> release party". Instead of reinventing anything from scratch I thought 
> I'd first look on what's going. I don't want to digg into this 
> organisational problem and I'm not sure whether I have enought time to 
> read all of your e-mail exchange. I just need some up do date 
> information on the ubuntu marketing strategy. Is there any webpage or 
> document that contains anything usable?
> 
> Simon
> 
> ---
> Simon Schneebeli
> 078 619 31 18
> ---
> 
> 
> 
> John Botscharow wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 00:06 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote:
> > That page needs some serious updating. But until we resolve our
> > organizational issue, I don't expect there will be much updating done.
> > My suggestion is follow what goes on here.
> >
> >   
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I'm now to this list. Just joined it after having done some help for a 
> >> recent ubuntu release party where the marketing component was kind of 
> >> not too bad but still with a potential to improve. That's why I started 
> >> searching for information on ubuntu marketing and I hope I'm at the 
> >> right place.
> >>
> >> To be honest, I'm kind of astonished that there is not more information 
> >> about ubuntu or canonical's marketing strategy. I guess that 
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam should be the central place for 
> >> information on that subject. Right?
> >>
> >> But already here it starts: Goal no 1: Increase market share. ... ... 
> >> And then, some lines further down: "Our target market is the existing 
> >> Ubuntu Community, and LoCo's and Ubuntu-Team's to start with".
> >>
> >> This looks somehow strange to me. I want to say: how will it be possible 
> >> to increase market share if the target market consist of those who 
> >> already use Ubuntu?
> >>
> >> I don't want to devaluate your work, but is there any more precise 
> >> marketing strategy than what is written on 
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any complementary information
> >>
> >> Simon
> >> (interested in helping out)
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> ---
> >> Simon Schneebeli
> >> 078 619 31 18
> >> ---
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing?

[Simon Schneebeli]

Actually, since this release party last month,  I have the idea in my 
head to write something like a guide on "how to organise a perfect 
release party". Instead of reinventing anything from scratch I thought 
I'd first look on what's going. I don't want to digg into this 
organisational problem and I'm not sure whether I have enought time to 
read all of your e-mail exchange. I just need some up do date 
information on the ubuntu marketing strategy. Is there any webpage or 
document that contains anything usable?

Simon

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John Botscharow wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 00:06 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote:
> That page needs some serious updating. But until we resolve our
> organizational issue, I don't expect there will be much updating done.
> My suggestion is follow what goes on here.
>
>   
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm now to this list. Just joined it after having done some help for a 
>> recent ubuntu release party where the marketing component was kind of 
>> not too bad but still with a potential to improve. That's why I started 
>> searching for information on ubuntu marketing and I hope I'm at the 
>> right place.
>>
>> To be honest, I'm kind of astonished that there is not more information 
>> about ubuntu or canonical's marketing strategy. I guess that 
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam should be the central place for 
>> information on that subject. Right?
>>
>> But already here it starts: Goal no 1: Increase market share. ... ... 
>> And then, some lines further down: "Our target market is the existing 
>> Ubuntu Community, and LoCo's and Ubuntu-Team's to start with".
>>
>> This looks somehow strange to me. I want to say: how will it be possible 
>> to increase market share if the target market consist of those who 
>> already use Ubuntu?
>>
>> I don't want to devaluate your work, but is there any more precise 
>> marketing strategy than what is written on 
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any complementary information
>>
>> Simon
>> (interested in helping out)
>>
>> -- 
>> ---
>> Simon Schneebeli
>> 078 619 31 18
>> ---
>>
>>
>> 

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing?

[John Botscharow]

On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 00:06 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote:
That page needs some serious updating. But until we resolve our
organizational issue, I don't expect there will be much updating done.
My suggestion is follow what goes on here.

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm now to this list. Just joined it after having done some help for a 
> recent ubuntu release party where the marketing component was kind of 
> not too bad but still with a potential to improve. That's why I started 
> searching for information on ubuntu marketing and I hope I'm at the 
> right place.
> 
> To be honest, I'm kind of astonished that there is not more information 
> about ubuntu or canonical's marketing strategy. I guess that 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam should be the central place for 
> information on that subject. Right?
> 
> But already here it starts: Goal no 1: Increase market share. ... ... 
> And then, some lines further down: "Our target market is the existing 
> Ubuntu Community, and LoCo's and Ubuntu-Team's to start with".
> 
> This looks somehow strange to me. I want to say: how will it be possible 
> to increase market share if the target market consist of those who 
> already use Ubuntu?
> 
> I don't want to devaluate your work, but is there any more precise 
> marketing strategy than what is written on 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
> 
> Thanks in advance for any complementary information
> 
> Simon
> (interested in helping out)
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Simon Schneebeli
> 078 619 31 18
> ---
> 
> 
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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing?

[Simon Schneebeli]

Hello all,

I'm now to this list. Just joined it after having done some help for a 
recent ubuntu release party where the marketing component was kind of 
not too bad but still with a potential to improve. That's why I started 
searching for information on ubuntu marketing and I hope I'm at the 
right place.

To be honest, I'm kind of astonished that there is not more information 
about ubuntu or canonical's marketing strategy. I guess that 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam should be the central place for 
information on that subject. Right?

But already here it starts: Goal no 1: Increase market share. ... ... 
And then, some lines further down: "Our target market is the existing 
Ubuntu Community, and LoCo's and Ubuntu-Team's to start with".

This looks somehow strange to me. I want to say: how will it be possible 
to increase market share if the target market consist of those who 
already use Ubuntu?

I don't want to devaluate your work, but is there any more precise 
marketing strategy than what is written on 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam

Thanks in advance for any complementary information

Simon
(interested in helping out)

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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing meeting tomorow (April 22nd)

[Felipe Lerena]

Hi guys,
Tomorow, Tuesday, April 22nd at 23:00 UTC is the next marketing meeting.
The meeting will take place at #ubuntu-meeting at irc.freenode.net (if
you don't know how to log in IRC please feel free to contact me).

You are invited to add a topic to the schedule at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-04-22

Best regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 30, Issue 8 - Sales URL

[James Hooker]

I think the URL is a great idea - but as a follow up.

The problem is that most standard SME IT managers already know the  
benefits of Linux (usually learnt from a smart friend during their  
university days and Register news articles)  but are in a Microsoft  
comfort zone.
I think the Sales website would be a great follow up to a small event.  
IT managers will listen to anything that gets them out of the office  
for a couple of hours and provides them with some free tat.
This doesn't need to be expensive... and I'm sure this is the sort of  
idea that Canonical might be able to help out.

on that note... mailing list cherry popped... now I'm working at home,  
I have time to get involved!


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> I agree that this is an issue, but a solution is available.
>
> The only way we are going to see penetration into the consumer  
> market in
> which sales representatives are able to help customers make informed
> decisions is through user education.  There are many aspects of the  
> movement
> Ubuntu is involved in that we all take for granted.  Even your  
> average "Mom
> & Pop" stores would only be able to sell these based on their own
> experiences with the community and the software itself.
>
> I believe that generating some sort of documentation that training  
> teams
> could glean information from would allow us to either develop a  
> relationship
> with organizations that train their employees or perhaps directly  
> with the
> employees themselves.  We could design it in a philosophy similar to
> Ubuntu:  clean, easy to understand, and accessible to everyone.
>
> The more easy-to-use, bulleted documentation we can provide, the  
> faster we
> can get people on board to evangelize the product.  I would even go  
> so far
> as to recommend obtaining a new URL like sellingubuntu.com so that  
> companies
> can find it even easier. We could even offer contact information to
> interface directly with those who are trying to understand how to  
> sell the
> idea of Ubuntu to others (in a more finite environment than say the  
> forums
> or a mailing list).
>
> Does anyone feel this is a good/bad idea?
>
> Thank you for listening,
> John Vilsack
>
>
> PS:  This is my first contribution to the marketing team. I hope to
> contribute in any way that I can!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Nick Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Danny Piccirillo
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> We are organizing a letter writing and calling campaign to get  
>>> Ubuntu in
>>> Stores. Please read "The Final Push: Linux in Stores" and Digg it!
>>
>> I find it interesting that you have Walmart listed in the
>> UbuntuInStores wiki page. They already made an attempt with the  
>> Everex
>> gOS machines.
>>
>> And have pulled them from their stores already. Maybe they are still
>> being sold online.
>>
>> IMO, this is why it won't work anytime in the near future, at least  
>> in
>> the US: "Staff will have to know about free software and Linux, so
>> customers will no longer be kept in the dark." Companies like Walmart
>> will never spend money educating/training their employees.
>>
>> I remember reading some article where the reporter interviewed a
>> Walmart employee about the gOS machines. The employee said he didn't
>> know much about the computers, but warned customers they don't run
>> Windows applications.
>>
>> Mom and Pop stores may be a better target.
>>
>> nick
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing meeting April 8th, 23:00 GMT

[Nick Ali]

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Felipe Lerena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys! We are having a ubuntu marketing team meeting this Tuesday,
>  April 8th, 23:00 GMT.
>  you can look at the meeting's agenda or add your own items in the
>  meeting wiki page at
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-04-08
>
>  The meeting will take place in #ubuntu-marketing at irc.freenet.com

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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing meeting April 8th, 23:00 GMT

[Felipe Lerena]

Hi guys! We are having a ubuntu marketing team meeting this Tuesday,
April 8th, 23:00 GMT.
you can look at the meeting's agenda or add your own items in the
meeting wiki page at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-04-08

The meeting will take place in #ubuntu-marketing at irc.freenet.com

Please feel free to contact me if you have any doubt about the meeting.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, > > 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)

[Vid Ayer]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Danny Piccirillo
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> and i thought that i had, but i have been swamped with other things so
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, > > 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)

[Danny Piccirillo]

Yes, and i am really sorry for not contacting the Fridge. I had meant to,
and i thought that i had, but i have been swamped with other things so
please understand.

.Danny Piccirillo

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Felipe Lerena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >  On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Craig A. Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > I find it unusual that you wouldn't post the meeting information
> >  >  in a location that one would expect.  Normally, meeting information
> is
> >  >  posted to the Fridge.  From there, it's picked up by the Ubuntu
> Weekly
> >  >  Newsletter.  People involved in numerous Teams know to look on the
> >  >  Fridge for information concerning meeting dates, times and
> locations.
> >  >  Instead, you post it on a Google Calendar.
> >
> >  I think the tone of your response was way over the top. Yes, the
> >  meeting time should have been posted to the Fridge, but the marketing
> >  list was sent a clear message with the meeting information and a
> >  reminder of it... I am pretty sure that the majority of those
> >  interested were aware of it.
> >
> >  A friendly nudge to post the meeting time to the Fridge would have been
> enough.
> >
> >
> >  > Google Calendar.  I can't even begin to think of one good reason
> >  >  for using that.  Right off the bat, to use it, you have to accept
> >  >  Google-analytics.  I don't accept Google-analytics.  At all.  Ever.
>  I
> >  >  do not believe that anyone should have the right to follow me around
> >  >  and see where I go just so they can try to sell me something that I
> >  >  don't want.  That's even more invasive than the telemarketer that
> >  >  calls you just as you sit down to dinner, after a long and
> >  >  exceptionally hard day at work.  It's more abusive than the
> >  >  overly-religious person who really doesn't know you, but follows you
> >  >  around expounding on all the things you do that are wrong.  It's
> more
> >  >  ridiculous than the micro-managing boss that wants to know
> everything
> >  >  that you do, and takes exception to all of it. It's as wrong as the
> >  >  Operating System that continually phones home to let it's master
> know
> >  >  what you have for software, and deletes anything that it feels isn't
> >  >  appropriate (i.e. isn't made by that company).  I don't DO Google
> >  >  Calendar.  Period.
> >
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> >  avoid using the Ubuntu website, wiki and help website.
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> Hi Guys, In the meeting I took the responsability to be the meeting
> manager from now on. I will ensure to contact the people from the
> fridge and all the information channels in every future meeting so
> everybody can attend.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, > > 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)

[Felipe Lerena]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>  On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Craig A. Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > I find it unusual that you wouldn't post the meeting information
>  >  in a location that one would expect.  Normally, meeting information is
>  >  posted to the Fridge.  From there, it's picked up by the Ubuntu Weekly
>  >  Newsletter.  People involved in numerous Teams know to look on the
>  >  Fridge for information concerning meeting dates, times and locations.
>  >  Instead, you post it on a Google Calendar.
>
>  I think the tone of your response was way over the top. Yes, the
>  meeting time should have been posted to the Fridge, but the marketing
>  list was sent a clear message with the meeting information and a
>  reminder of it... I am pretty sure that the majority of those
>  interested were aware of it.
>
>  A friendly nudge to post the meeting time to the Fridge would have been 
> enough.
>
>
>  > Google Calendar.  I can't even begin to think of one good reason
>  >  for using that.  Right off the bat, to use it, you have to accept
>  >  Google-analytics.  I don't accept Google-analytics.  At all.  Ever.  I
>  >  do not believe that anyone should have the right to follow me around
>  >  and see where I go just so they can try to sell me something that I
>  >  don't want.  That's even more invasive than the telemarketer that
>  >  calls you just as you sit down to dinner, after a long and
>  >  exceptionally hard day at work.  It's more abusive than the
>  >  overly-religious person who really doesn't know you, but follows you
>  >  around expounding on all the things you do that are wrong.  It's more
>  >  ridiculous than the micro-managing boss that wants to know everything
>  >  that you do, and takes exception to all of it. It's as wrong as the
>  >  Operating System that continually phones home to let it's master know
>  >  what you have for software, and deletes anything that it feels isn't
>  >  appropriate (i.e. isn't made by that company).  I don't DO Google
>  >  Calendar.  Period.
>
>  With such a violent disagreement with Google Analytics, be sure to
>  avoid using the Ubuntu website, wiki and help website.
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Hi Guys, In the meeting I took the responsability to be the meeting
manager from now on. I will ensure to contact the people from the
fridge and all the information channels in every future meeting so
everybody can attend.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, > > 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)

[Matthew East]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 AM, Craig A. Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find it unusual that you wouldn't post the meeting information
>  in a location that one would expect.  Normally, meeting information is
>  posted to the Fridge.  From there, it's picked up by the Ubuntu Weekly
>  Newsletter.  People involved in numerous Teams know to look on the
>  Fridge for information concerning meeting dates, times and locations.
>  Instead, you post it on a Google Calendar.

I think the tone of your response was way over the top. Yes, the
meeting time should have been posted to the Fridge, but the marketing
list was sent a clear message with the meeting information and a
reminder of it... I am pretty sure that the majority of those
interested were aware of it.

A friendly nudge to post the meeting time to the Fridge would have been enough.

> Google Calendar.  I can't even begin to think of one good reason
>  for using that.  Right off the bat, to use it, you have to accept
>  Google-analytics.  I don't accept Google-analytics.  At all.  Ever.  I
>  do not believe that anyone should have the right to follow me around
>  and see where I go just so they can try to sell me something that I
>  don't want.  That's even more invasive than the telemarketer that
>  calls you just as you sit down to dinner, after a long and
>  exceptionally hard day at work.  It's more abusive than the
>  overly-religious person who really doesn't know you, but follows you
>  around expounding on all the things you do that are wrong.  It's more
>  ridiculous than the micro-managing boss that wants to know everything
>  that you do, and takes exception to all of it. It's as wrong as the
>  Operating System that continually phones home to let it's master know
>  what you have for software, and deletes anything that it feels isn't
>  appropriate (i.e. isn't made by that company).  I don't DO Google
>  Calendar.  Period.

With such a violent disagreement with Google Analytics, be sure to
avoid using the Ubuntu website, wiki and help website.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Team Meeting @ Tue Mar 25 7pm -, > > 8:30pm () (Google Calendar)

[Craig A. Eddy]

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To Danny Piccirillo,
It would appear that I have missed another of your meetings.
That's unfortunate, but not being aware of the date/time of the
meeting, it was perhaps inevitable.
I find it unusual that you wouldn't post the meeting information
in a location that one would expect.  Normally, meeting information is
posted to the Fridge.  From there, it's picked up by the Ubuntu Weekly
Newsletter.  People involved in numerous Teams know to look on the
Fridge for information concerning meeting dates, times and locations.
Instead, you post it on a Google Calendar.
Google Calendar.  I can't even begin to think of one good reason
for using that.  Right off the bat, to use it, you have to accept
Google-analytics.  I don't accept Google-analytics.  At all.  Ever.  I
do not believe that anyone should have the right to follow me around
and see where I go just so they can try to sell me something that I
don't want.  That's even more invasive than the telemarketer that
calls you just as you sit down to dinner, after a long and
exceptionally hard day at work.  It's more abusive than the
overly-religious person who really doesn't know you, but follows you
around expounding on all the things you do that are wrong.  It's more
ridiculous than the micro-managing boss that wants to know everything
that you do, and takes exception to all of it. It's as wrong as the
Operating System that continually phones home to let it's master know
what you have for software, and deletes anything that it feels isn't
appropriate (i.e. isn't made by that company).  I don't DO Google
Calendar.  Period.
But I DO look at the events listed on the Fridge.  In fact, I have
an RSS feed so that I know when they are added or changed.  It's
exceptionally easy for me to be aware of what information is on the
Fridge, because I set it up to be as easy on me as possible.  And I
set it up strictly because it IS the normal place to get such information.
So, I would request that, in the future, you post the information
where it would be readily accessible to people when you want them to
attend a meeting.  Post it on the Fridge.  Please.

Craig A. Eddy
Tyche
Ubuntu member
Member Ubuntu Marketing Team
Member Ubuntu-Arizona LoCo Team
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22

[Dmitrijs Ledkovs]

Is it possible to delete content from that wiki page. And ask everyone to
refill? Cause I have a feeling it is pretty old.

With regards,

Dmitrijs.

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Rob Stent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't understand why this meeting is at 00:00 GMT. From the grid on the
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>
> I'd like to attend the meeting but midnight is a bit late for me.
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 29, Issue 22

[Rob Stent]

I don't understand why this meeting is at 00:00 GMT. From the grid on the
wiki 20:00 and 21:00 GMT are the most popular times with a score of +3

I'd like to attend the meeting but midnight is a bit late for me.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 29, Issue 18

[Randy Fisher]

Hi,

Pertaining to marketing, I think a Ubuntu LiveCD should be a must-have for 
anyone operating a computer. It has saved my bacon, and I am so pleased that I 
even knew it existed. In fact, from that experience, I have decided to join 
this list, and offer my 2 cents, and also to see if I can figure out the IRC 
thing, for tomorrow's meeting.

The point is, that the LiveCD is a great way for people to know something about 
Ubuntu, and for it to demonstrate its incredible value - at a time when people 
are most vulnerable (losing their pc). It also represents safety, reliability 
and security - in a way that doesn't exist with current software systems. As 
their interest is peaked, they are more likely to want to know more - as I do - 
about how Ubuntu can work for them.

I also think that Ubuntu is an excellent resource for seniors - who are 
typically scared of computers...and don't need all the bells and whistles, and 
the fanciest PC's to run their applications - which generally run email, 
Internet and word processing.

- Randy
 

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   2. Re:  Promoting Ubuntu at libraries? (Nick Ali)
   3. Re:  Promoting Ubuntu at libraries? (Vid Ayer)
   4. Re:  Promoting Ubuntu at libraries? (Corey Burger)
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Working for a short while in computer retail, I am growing more and more
crazy from how the concept of free software is essentially taboo in that
environment. While the reason why a computer retailer can not survive
with free software could be "explained" all people want, the essence of
that, and the fact that people are essentially trying to cover up
something as good and important as open source software, tells me that
there is something seriously broken here and it has to be fixed one way
or another. With Linux expanding so rapidly and really becoming a
positive thing for end users, businesses can't keep sweeping this under
the rug forever. Even with Linux platforms succeeding at being
invisible, the difference between that and the competition is obvious.
(There are lots of things people take for granted until they read about
them in the paper or see something reminding them on TV; Linux, unlike
certain other jarringly visible computer platforms, is one of those
things).

Obviously, the best way to stop those businesses trying to dodge Linux
is for people to start coming to their stores thinking about free
software. Maybe with enough attention going that way, they will develop
ways to work with it. That would be one big hurdle overcome in terms of
adoption! (Though I'm sure it's obvious to you guys, being the marketing
people and all).

The obvious /realistic/ fix: Occasional promotion of Ubuntu at
community events, and with friends. ? I for one am personally helping
people with their Linux questions in the store I work at, which seems to
have developed a quiet increase in Linux-seeking customers...
Interestingly, even the people just looking in to Linux for the first
time - usually Ubuntu - seem quite excited about the idea, which I find
very cool.

Then, I realized that I should really think about promoting Ubuntu
properly (in an environment where promoting free software does not get
frowned upon) if I am so keen on it! One of few other local, popular
places keen on free knowledge is a library. Actually, that seems the
perfect place through which to promote Ubuntu, since a public library
has no big financial reliance on Microsoft's confounded business
strategy and is, in theory, all about knowledge. Their administration
and audience also leans very much to the so

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nice alpha version of hardy ...actually i am waiting the alpha3 to make a 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu marketing trademark

[Corey Burger]

On 11/5/07, Frans Thamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi there
>
> i am seeking information about trademark infinger for using ubuntu in 
> marketing
>
> we are an opensource foundation, and we wants to use it
>
> can anyone help, is it a wrong mailing list?

The Ubuntu trademark is held by Canonical. You can reach the
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For the record, the trademarks policy page is at:
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hi there

i am seeking information about trademark infinger for using ubuntu in marketing

we are an opensource foundation, and we wants to use it

can anyone help, is it a wrong mailing list?


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[Corey Burger]

On 8/14/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Offlist, since I won't add much to my previous post.
>
> On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Back on list.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, the marketing list confuses me! I keep forgetting you have to
> > cc it back in when your reply to a post --- Doh.
> >
> > > I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of
> > > ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos,
> > > it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears
> > > under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project.
> > >
> >
> > I've not missed the point mate ;-) I just disagree with you!
>
> That's fine: what you said in the passage from your email which I
> quoted about informational videos led me to believe that you might
> have.
>
> > I've spoken to a few people on and off list about this, and using
> > ubuntuvideo.com has never surfaced as an idea. In fact, this email was
> > preceded by a conversation with Corey off list about domain
> > registration and hosting for a new site.
>
> That's also fine: Corey may also not have considered the idea of using
> an existing initiative with similar goals for the project.

You are completely right. I forgot about Ubuntuvideo.com. Now that i
remember it, provided we can get John to jump on board, it would make
an excellent home for this idea.

Cheers from Germany,

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[NurseGirl]

Hey!
I'd suggest setting up a subdomain of viral.ubuntuvideo.com OR
contest.ubuntuvideo.com or similar

It would create natural cross-marketing opportunities with
ubuntuvideo, while giving the viral videos team the ability to choose
whether to use the ubuntuvideo setup or make your own.

NurseGirl

On 8/14/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Offlist, since I won't add much to my previous post.
>
> On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Back on list.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, the marketing list confuses me! I keep forgetting you have to
> > cc it back in when your reply to a post --- Doh.
> >
> > > I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of
> > > ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos,
> > > it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears
> > > under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project.
> > >
> >
> > I've not missed the point mate ;-) I just disagree with you!
>
> That's fine: what you said in the passage from your email which I
> quoted about informational videos led me to believe that you might
> have.
>
> > I've spoken to a few people on and off list about this, and using
> > ubuntuvideo.com has never surfaced as an idea. In fact, this email was
> > preceded by a conversation with Corey off list about domain
> > registration and hosting for a new site.
>
> That's also fine: Corey may also not have considered the idea of using
> an existing initiative with similar goals for the project.
>
> > > Ubuntuvideo.com is ideal for marketing, in my opinion. Creating
> > > overlapping websites is exactly the best way to dilute marketing
> > > initiatives, in my opinion. I've been around Ubuntu a fair time now
> > > and I know well the tendency to create unnecessary websites for every
> > > new idea. I'm just trying to guard against that: it may be that I have
> > > missed a point somewhere and you or someone else on the team will show
> > > me why I'm wrong; let's see.
> >
> > I think that the important aspects of the project are to create a medium 
> > that:
> >
> > a) allows people to submit videos
>
> Ok, I think that's no problem: drupal (used on ubuntuvideo.com) does
> this out of the box.
>
> > b) allows visitors to vote on videos
>
> That's definitely no problem: drupal has such a module.
>
> > c) tracks the viral spread of videos
>
> You mean like pingback? I don't see that drupal will have a problem
> with that either.
>
> > From a business point of view, I'd tend to look at the success of a
> > medium before embarking on a project. Take a look at firefoxflicks.com
> > - It's been pretty successful. I think that it stands as a good ideal
> > to aspire to.
>
> I agree.
>
> > Lets step back, take a breather and think carefully before jumping
> > onto the skirts of another website that mightn't meet our needs as
> > well (even patched up) as creating one ourselves. I for one am not
> > afraid of a little hard work - the easiest path doesn't always return
> > the best results.
>
> I would agree if the other website didn't have similar goals and I
> didn't think that ubuntuvideo.com can't meet your needs: right now I
> simply can't see why it can't.
>
> I'll step back now because I'm not a regular contributor to the
> marketing team and it's definitely right that the team decides the
> best way forward; but I've seen so much effort spent on developing new
> websites rather than producing marketing material that I just wanted
> to inject some caution and present my point of view.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[Matthew East]

Offlist, since I won't add much to my previous post.

On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Back on list.
> >
>
> Sorry, the marketing list confuses me! I keep forgetting you have to
> cc it back in when your reply to a post --- Doh.
>
> > I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of
> > ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos,
> > it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears
> > under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project.
> >
>
> I've not missed the point mate ;-) I just disagree with you!

That's fine: what you said in the passage from your email which I
quoted about informational videos led me to believe that you might
have.

> I've spoken to a few people on and off list about this, and using
> ubuntuvideo.com has never surfaced as an idea. In fact, this email was
> preceded by a conversation with Corey off list about domain
> registration and hosting for a new site.

That's also fine: Corey may also not have considered the idea of using
an existing initiative with similar goals for the project.

> > Ubuntuvideo.com is ideal for marketing, in my opinion. Creating
> > overlapping websites is exactly the best way to dilute marketing
> > initiatives, in my opinion. I've been around Ubuntu a fair time now
> > and I know well the tendency to create unnecessary websites for every
> > new idea. I'm just trying to guard against that: it may be that I have
> > missed a point somewhere and you or someone else on the team will show
> > me why I'm wrong; let's see.
>
> I think that the important aspects of the project are to create a medium that:
>
> a) allows people to submit videos

Ok, I think that's no problem: drupal (used on ubuntuvideo.com) does
this out of the box.

> b) allows visitors to vote on videos

That's definitely no problem: drupal has such a module.

> c) tracks the viral spread of videos

You mean like pingback? I don't see that drupal will have a problem
with that either.

> From a business point of view, I'd tend to look at the success of a
> medium before embarking on a project. Take a look at firefoxflicks.com
> - It's been pretty successful. I think that it stands as a good ideal
> to aspire to.

I agree.

> Lets step back, take a breather and think carefully before jumping
> onto the skirts of another website that mightn't meet our needs as
> well (even patched up) as creating one ourselves. I for one am not
> afraid of a little hard work - the easiest path doesn't always return
> the best results.

I would agree if the other website didn't have similar goals and I
didn't think that ubuntuvideo.com can't meet your needs: right now I
simply can't see why it can't.

I'll step back now because I'm not a regular contributor to the
marketing team and it's definitely right that the team decides the
best way forward; but I've seen so much effort spent on developing new
websites rather than producing marketing material that I just wanted
to inject some caution and present my point of view.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[Chris Rowson]

> Back on list.
>

Sorry, the marketing list confuses me! I keep forgetting you have to
cc it back in when your reply to a post --- Doh.

> I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of
> ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos,
> it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears
> under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project.
>

I've not missed the point mate ;-) I just disagree with you!

I've spoken to a few people on and off list about this, and using
ubuntuvideo.com has never surfaced as an idea. In fact, this email was
preceded by a conversation with Corey off list about domain
registration and hosting for a new site.

> Ubuntuvideo.com is ideal for marketing, in my opinion. Creating
> overlapping websites is exactly the best way to dilute marketing
> initiatives, in my opinion. I've been around Ubuntu a fair time now
> and I know well the tendency to create unnecessary websites for every
> new idea. I'm just trying to guard against that: it may be that I have
> missed a point somewhere and you or someone else on the team will show
> me why I'm wrong; let's see.

I think that the important aspects of the project are to create a medium that:

a) allows people to submit videos
b) allows visitors to vote on videos
c) tracks the viral spread of videos

>From a business point of view, I'd tend to look at the success of a
medium before embarking on a project. Take a look at firefoxflicks.com
- It's been pretty successful. I think that it stands as a good ideal
to aspire to.

Looking at the tech behind fff, it's using Revver. That's quite well
thought out for a viral campaign as you can track the spread of media
and stream higher quality video than youtube or google video.

Personally, I'd rather use an API to something like Revver and allow
their system to do the hard work of tracking spread, voting and
submission than code it myself.

Lets step back, take a breather and think carefully before jumping
onto the skirts of another website that mightn't meet our needs as
well (even patched up) as creating one ourselves. I for one am not
afraid of a little hard work - the easiest path doesn't always return
the best results.

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[Matthew East]

Back on list.

On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
>
> > How about http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ ? If you work with this existing
> > resource, then you will avoid having two sites with the same purpose,
> > you won't need to reinvent any wheels with setting up the site, and
> > (shock horror) you'll be able to focus on actually getting things done
> > and making videos.
>
> Perhaps you've missed the point of the idea, but this project has
> nothing whatsoever to do with creating help/informational or demo
> videos for Ubuntu.

I don't think so: rather, I think you've missed the point of
ubuntuvideo.com! Although it has a category for informational videos,
it is also intended to host marketing videos: note that it appears
under the MarketingTeam wiki page as a project.

> Using ubuntuvideo.com just because it hosts videos seems rather
> pointless and I think we'd loose the message along the way.

Ubuntuvideo.com is ideal for marketing, in my opinion. Creating
overlapping websites is exactly the best way to dilute marketing
initiatives, in my opinion. I've been around Ubuntu a fair time now
and I know well the tendency to create unnecessary websites for every
new idea. I'm just trying to guard against that: it may be that I have
missed a point somewhere and you or someone else on the team will show
me why I'm wrong; let's see.

> Without
> delving into the nitty gritty, despite ubuntuvideo.com being a fine
> site, it doesn't offer some of the features that would be required for
> the project.

Do you know if there are any features which you have in mind which
can't be added by way of a drupal plugin? From a brief review of the
Viral project wiki page, I can't think of one. If there are, I'd still
suggest it will be easier to code a plugin than to develop a
completely new site.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[Matthew East]

Hi,

On 14/08/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just a quick note to keep you up to date on the Ubuntu Viral Marketing 
> project.
>
> Things are falling into place here
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuViralVideos
>
> I've not had much joy getting into contact with Mozilla, so we might
> have to strike out on our own with the coding.
>
> First off, I guess its time to register a domain name. A couple of
> ideas I've had are:
>
> www.ubuntuvids.com
> www.ubuntuflicks.com

How about http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ ? If you work with this existing
resource, then you will avoid having two sites with the same purpose,
you won't need to reinvent any wheels with setting up the site, and
(shock horror) you'll be able to focus on actually getting things done
and making videos.

> Then we could do with a logo I guess. Anyone know any graphic artists
> interested?

Ubuntu has a logo! Each new initiative that is part of Ubuntu doesn't
need its own logo... It's much more powerful if you simply use
existing Ubuntu branding.

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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Videos

[Chris Rowson]

Hi Folks,

Just a quick note to keep you up to date on the Ubuntu Viral Marketing project.

Things are falling into place here
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuViralVideos

I've not had much joy getting into contact with Mozilla, so we might
have to strike out on our own with the coding.

First off, I guess its time to register a domain name. A couple of
ideas I've had are:

www.ubuntuvids.com
www.ubuntuflicks.com


What do you think? Once the project is up and running, I'll transfer
ownership of the name to Canonical should they wish.

Then we could do with a logo I guess. Anyone know any graphic artists
interested?

And coders. Any coders out there :-P I don't mind doing some myself,
but I'm not the best in the world so any professional programmers out
there who  are interested in getting involved, please do :-)

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1

[Corey Burger]

On 6/2/07, Gerry Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> One thing that might be very good to have is if we develop a version of
> these pages for the actualy Gibon release. We build these pages all the
> way up to the actual release then we don't really provide a huge amount
> of information about what is in the product and what it looks like for
> new or returning users.
>
> I'd be interested to get your opinions on what would be the most useful
> thing to show and the best place to present information for the
> following audiences
>
> TYPE 1
> a) new to Linux
> b) heard of ubuntu but not ready/capable of downloading
> c) wants reassurance that it is a familiar environment
>
> TYPE 2
> a) familiar with linux and/or ubuntu
> b) wants to know what's new and cool in latest release
>
>
> Screen Cast is one option but I would love to hear other suggestions.
> Key is we need to make it really easy to get to and eliminate any FUD so
> that people will make the next step. This might even include how to burn
> an image on to a CD; remove anything and everything that provides a
> barrier to adoption.
>
> thoughts?

We have built tours in the past, see:
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704tour
What hasn't happened is we haven't had a holistic strategy with
regards to existing pages, such as /server and /desktop. What I would
like to see for this release is a such a strategy. What is probably
best would be for the /desktop and /server pages to be updated with a
"new in 7.10 content" and then maybe create a "new to Ubuntu page".

Is what you were thinking Gerry?

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1

[Gerry Carr]

Hi all

One thing that might be very good to have is if we develop a version of 
these pages for the actualy Gibon release. We build these pages all the 
way up to the actual release then we don't really provide a huge amount 
of information about what is in the product and what it looks like for 
new or returning users.

I'd be interested to get your opinions on what would be the most useful 
thing to show and the best place to present information for the 
following audiences

TYPE 1
a) new to Linux
b) heard of ubuntu but not ready/capable of downloading
c) wants reassurance that it is a familiar environment

TYPE 2
a) familiar with linux and/or ubuntu
b) wants to know what's new and cool in latest release


Screen Cast is one option but I would love to hear other suggestions. 
Key is we need to make it really easy to get to and eliminate any FUD so 
that people will make the next step. This might even include how to burn 
an image on to a CD; remove anything and everything that provides a 
barrier to adoption.

thoughts?


Gerry

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> Hello marketing team!
>
> As a short intro, I will manage the releases of the Gutsy testing
> milestones now, since Tollef is busy with the Mobile project.
>
> The first testing milestone for Gutsy Gibbon, called 'Tribe 1' is
> ahead and planned for next Thursday. It would rock if you could create
> a web page for it [1], similar to the ones we had in Feisty [2].
>
> There are no gutsy targeted specs implemented yet, but there's a new
> Gnome, a new kernel, and the wealth of new Debian packages. The
> changes from the latter are much bigger now than in Feisty's Herd-1
> times now that Etch has been released and unstable development goes
> full steam ahead again.
>
> Matthew, this would eventually need to move to [2]. Is there any
> problem with putting moin pages on the new drupal web site?
>
> Thanks muchly,
>
> Martin
>
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe1
> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16

[Gerry Carr]

ubuntu news list, I meant

Gerry

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> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:59:31 -0700
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> On 5/18/07, Corey Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hey all
>>
>> It has come time for the marketing team to have another meeting. There
>> are a bunch of things that need to be covered, including:
>>
>> 1. Common resources for the UWN/fullcircle/behindubuntu
>> 2. Introduction of the new way to send in things to the marketing team
>> 3. Kickstarting DIY and getting it live
>> 4. Introductions of the fullcircle people
>> 5. Introducing the new Canonical people
>>
>> Anything else?
>>
>> I am going to be travelling until the 20th, around 04:00 UTC, so don't
>> expect anything from me until then.
>>
>> As for a time, my timezone goes back to UTC -7 and I have two days off
>> once I get home.
>>
>> Can somebody post this meeting invitation with a discussion of the
>> time to the ubuntu and fullcircle forums?
>>
>>
>> Corey
>> 
>
> Alright, I am back from my travels and recovered (mostly) from my
> jetlag. How does this Saturday, 20:00 UTC, work for everybody? That
> puts it late evening Europe time and mid afternoon North American
> time. Unlike last time, I will actually people enough time to say no
> this time :)
>
> Corey
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:58:04 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Marketing Team meeting
> To: "Corey Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: ubuntu-marketing 
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> How does this Saturday, 20:00 UTC, work for everybody? That
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> Should work for me.
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 19, Issue 13

[Felipe Lerena]

On 5/16/07, Martin Albisetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I woke up this morning with two ideas in my head to add to UWN, and I
> wanted some marketing-team feedback before adding them:
>
>
> 1. "Interview of the Week" (or month)
> Choose someone relevant in the community and send them 4 or 5
> questions to answer that might be of general interest. Examples off
> the top of my head:
> "An interview with Corey Burger on his approval in the Community Council"
> "An interview with Scott James Remnant on the Current state of Upstart"
>
>
> 2. "Did you know..."
> A small section with a fun fact about Ubuntu that not everyone might
> know. Examples off the top of my head:
> "Did you know you can suggest names for the next Ubuntu release?"
> "Did you know Ubuntu has 8 council members?"
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Martin

Martin:
Great Ideas I like them both. I also sugest the "Ubuntu package of the
week" like the debian package feed on the planet.

Felipe

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3

[Melissa Draper]

Francesco Sica wrote:
> What about using online survey software as http://www.phpsurveyor.org/ ?
> It's a great and easy to use survey software.
That's the kind of way we plan to do some of the surveying. We haven't
gotten as far as selecting the exact details yet, but this seems to be a
worthy contender. thanks.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3

[Melissa Draper]

Francesco Sica wrote:
> I totally agree with you and I hope to help you in that very interesting 
> initiative!
> I just need to understand if you want to use statistics or just collect 
> some information bout users.
Thanks for the interest.

The idea is to gather information from the various user groups that can
help the marketing team target better and provide guidance for the devs
to choose which areas to focus on, based on what users want.

We need to know what people like, so we can make sure to mention
relevant stuff in marketing materials. We need to know what people think
need to be changed/added/removed/shaken-rather-than-stirred. Basically,
we want to know what users want, what users need, where we're failing
and where we're succeeding. Since we cannot read minds, we have to ask.

It's not going to be a compulsary thing, and the methods will vary
depending on the audience targetted - potential users = footpath
surveys, current users = online survey pimped through forums/irc etc,
previous users = similar but not sure yet how to find these people,
maybe harass other distro's forums ;)

Feel free to dig your hands into the wiki page and list off question
ideas. That's all we need at this point, really. We can't put it
together until we have the ingredients ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3

[Francesco Sica]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
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>1.  Survey Questions (Melissa Draper)
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> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:51:32 +1000
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> Greetings,
>
> I'm writing this as a reminder about the Survey project and to ask for
> everyone's involvement.
>
> The wiki page is located at
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SurveyQuestionIdeas
>
> A few days ago now, David Symons aka Bimberi added the 'Previous Users'
> section, making a third survey. So far only 2 questions have been added
> to that section. I invite you all to add ideas to this area to help us
> understand *why* people are turning their backs on Ubuntu. It would also
> be nice for more question ideas across the board, but at this time, I'm
> going to champion the Previous Users section more, since it joined the
> race late.
>
> I hope to have enough questions in about a fortnight's time to start
> drawing up drafts of the surveys, so there's plenty of time to test,
> review and distribute.
>
> Let's get cracking!
>
>   
What about using online survey software as http://www.phpsurveyor.org/ ?
It's a great and easy to use survey software.


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3

[Francesco Sica]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:51:32 +1000
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> Subject: [ubuntu-marketing] Survey Questions
> To: Ubuntu Marketing 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm writing this as a reminder about the Survey project and to ask for
> everyone's involvement.
>
> The wiki page is located at
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SurveyQuestionIdeas
>
> A few days ago now, David Symons aka Bimberi added the 'Previous Users'
> section, making a third survey. So far only 2 questions have been added
> to that section. I invite you all to add ideas to this area to help us
> understand *why* people are turning their backs on Ubuntu. It would also
> be nice for more question ideas across the board, but at this time, I'm
> going to champion the Previous Users section more, since it joined the
> race late.
>
> I hope to have enough questions in about a fortnight's time to start
> drawing up drafts of the surveys, so there's plenty of time to test,
> review and distribute.
>
> Let's get cracking!
>
>   
I totally agree with you and I hope to help you in that very interesting 
initiative!
I just need to understand if you want to use statistics or just collect 
some information bout users.



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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu Marketing Project

[Rich Johnson]

Hello Everyone!

I would really like to get the wiki cleaned up when it comes to everything 
marketing. Here is just a quick proposal that I have, and if needed I will 
and probably should create a spec for it.

1. Create the Ubuntu Marketing Project, which everything we have communicated 
to date would fall under this.

This would be a general Ubuntu Marketing Project, just like every 
other "Project" or "Company" would have. If we use the wiki for this, then 
fine, as I have created a temporary page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Marketing

This will allow us to separate the MarketingTeam, UbuntuMagazine, 
UbuntuVideos, PressTeam, and everything else to date as projects under the 
Ubuntu Marketing Project.

All we really have done was created small projects for a project that hasn't 
even been created. Everything so far is a "type" of marketing. Marketing is 
much larger than that, and that is where the Ubuntu Marketing Project would 
come into play.

I am no marketing genius, as I still have 3 or 4 semesters left prior to 
finishing my MBA, which is mostly with Entrepreneurship and what have you. I 
have seen outstanding work from John Baer in the community. From what I have 
seen and read, he knows marketing. I think with a little guidance in the 
FLOSS arena, and some Ubuntu schooling he could be great asset in getting 
something like this started.

I am a "Geek" in all aspects of the definition, so I may not have just made 
sense, which I wouldn't doubt, but after talking to professor's and what not, 
they said that there needs to be a "Core" project, and since there is 
nothing "Marketing" on the ubuntu.com website or anywhere for that matter, 
they said the "Ubuntu Marketing Project" would be main as it would be 
Marketing. Then everything else would fall under it as campaigns or secondary 
projects.

Here look at my simple flow chart, text style!

 UBUNTU MARKETING PROJECT
--
 |   |  |   
 |
SpreadUbuntu   UbuntuMagazineUbuntuVideo PressTeam

And even then, the SpreadUbuntu could actually fall under a Project called 
Campaigns, the Magazine and Video with Press and what not.

Note this was just a quick brainstorm. This is something that needs input from 
everyone, especially you "Real" marketing people. Ubuntu needs Marketing, and 
that is exactly what I am trying to kick off here. All these secondary 
projects are great, but they are just small stepping stones in a project that 
hasn't even been created. Also note, it is 3:30am here in Chicago, and I am 
almost delirious, so I apologize for grammar and spelling right now ;)

Thank you, and please comment, provide suggestions, create the project, like 
it, love it, hate it, just take a look with an open mind. We all want Ubuntu 
to continue on being strong, and growing stronger. Lets hold off on the minor 
aspects, take a step back and look at the big picture. Thanks again!
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing site

[sascha brossmann]

On 11/28/05, Otto Kekäläinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can see it at: http://ubuntu.sange.fi/

> Comments?

here we go...

STRENGTHS:

On the first sight, i perceive the design as clean, light and
friendly. Text/type is well behaved and seems coherent. The
appearance can easily be associated with Ubuntu.

OPPORTUNITIES:

How to retain the grass-rooty "straight-in-your-face" approach while
providing more focus and orientation? Currently there are many
elements struggling for attention. The situation compares to that of
a blackboard filled with notes. Focusing on just *one* basic message
on the home page and providing more detail on further screens
might help. An alternative could be to keep the just-one-page
approach (which i like in a certain way), but to structure the
flow of elements much stronger to achieve a clearly visible visual
argumentation scheme. Try to think of the strongest point there
is in favour of Ubuntu and put that one right into the center of
action. That is, either the point 'itself' or something strongly
connected to it which captivates the viewer/reader immediately. Give
it all the attention it needs (and leave some space so everything
can breathe freely). Consider that people in front of their screens
are intelligent, but do not have much time (this is generally a good
and _working_ assumption, btw). Help them decide in as little time
as possible, if(!) they want to stay and browser further. Speaking
straight from my well-educated guts ;-) there might be two basic
subjects that matter: 1) "WHAT is Ubuntu?" 2) "WHY should i care
about it?" Thinking about it, the second point seems more important.
You might want to have a look e.g. at mozilla.com, apple.com and
others how those try to tackle the problem (no need to replicate
every bit, though, just to recognise the general idea).

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask me for more (also practical) support,
if you need it (it might take some time, though). Unfortunately, i
don't speak any finnish, in case of practical support i would need a
translation.

best,


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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing site

[Corey Burger]

On 11/28/05, Otto Kekäläinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've been designing an Ubuntu marketing site with the target group of complete
> newbies in what comes to Open Source / Linux / Ubuntu.
>
> You can see it at: http://ubuntu.sange.fi/
>
> It is in Finnish, so you most likely do not understand the texts, but I guess
> you get the point of the style I've used. It's flashy, and it get quickly to
> the point.
>
>
> Comments?

I really like the general scheme. It looks clean and easy to read. Too
bad I cannot read Finnish...

Corey

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[ubuntu-marketing] Ubuntu marketing site

[Otto Kekäläinen]

Hello,

I've been designing an Ubuntu marketing site with the target group of complete 
newbies in what comes to Open Source / Linux / Ubuntu.

You can see it at: http://ubuntu.sange.fi/

It is in Finnish, so you most likely do not understand the texts, but I guess 
you get the point of the style I've used. It's flashy, and it get quickly to 
the point.


Comments?

I might translate it into English if it becomes popular in Finland.

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