Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dear Ubuntu List Team i have something to draw to your attention

[J Fernyhough]

On 22/06/2021 08:28, Mark Dorrington wrote:

The current version of ubuntu 21.04 will not boot from live dvd:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1336515/ubuntu-21-4-desktop-iso-burned-to-dvd-fails-to-start 
https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-21-04-upgrade-bug/ 
https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-21-04-live-does-not-boot/24010 


Those appear to be three different issues, but if you follow through the 
links you posted there's a bug report related to booting from a DVD:


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1930880

with a workaround:

```
Set "fsck.mode=skip" to boot params via GRUB menu entry
```

(or use a USB flash drive).

My uninformed eye suspects that Casper doesn't like running on a DVD-R.


> Please contact the ubuntu technician:

Why are you posting someone's email address to a UK user group?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[J Fernyhough]

On 30/04/18 21:05, Nigel Verity wrote:
> there are 6 desktop environments to choose from across the "%buntu"
> family, which is more than any other distro offers (as far as I'm aware)

Tee hee. You might check out Manjaro's offerings. ;)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Mouse accessibility problem

[J Fernyhough]

On 09/04/18 17:50, Jim Price wrote:
> Getting the mouse button down and up in a short
> time is as difficult as getting a reliable double click it would seem.


After doing some more digging the libinput "DragLockButtons" option may
help with this:


>  Option "DragLockButtons" "L1 B1 L2 B2 ..."
> 
> Sets "drag lock buttons" that simulate a button logically down even when 
> it has been physically released. To logically release a locked button, a 
> second click of the same button is required.
> 
> If the option is a single button number, that button acts as the "meta" 
> locking button for the next button number. See section Button Drag Lock for 
> details.
> 
> If the option is a list of button number pairs, the first number of each 
> number pair is the lock button, the second number the logical button number 
> to be locked. See section Button Drag Lock for details.
> 
> For both meta and button pair configuration, the button numbers are 
> device button numbers, i.e. the ButtonMapping applies after drag lock.


http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man4/libinput.4.html


However, it also seems as though you're trying to address
mutually-exclusive issues. On the one hand, you want to allow a
single-click-then-move to trigger drag-and-drop behaviour, while at the
same time you want to prevent a single-click-and-move from triggering
drag-and-drop behaviour.

The only way to address this is to separate cursor movement from
clicking and so allow independent control over both activities. This can
not be accomplished with a single mouse - you either need to look again
at larger trackballs (with a central ball, Expert or Orbit-style), or
some other input device, for example a trackpad, trackpoint/joystick,
dedicated "click" key/button, or breath controller.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Mouse accessibility problem

[J Fernyhough]

On 08/04/18 16:27, Jim Price wrote:
> MATE is what we're trying to use

How about Mouse Keys (under Keyboard Preferences)?

Cursor can be positioned by both/either numpad keys or mouse, then a
click by pressing a key without worrying about accidentally moving the
cursor around.

Though, if the person concerned isn't able to easily use a keyboard it's
not really a solution...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Mouse accessibility problem

[J Fernyhough]

On 08/04/18 14:08, Jim Price wrote:
> I'm trying to solve a problem with double clicking the mouse for someone
> with jittery hand movements. The problem is that there is usually enough
> movement between their first and second clicks of a double click that it
> is registered as two single clicks in different places.

Which DE are you using, and in what context are you double-clicking?

e.g. I've just tested under MATE 1.20 by moving the mouse while
(relatively slowly) clicking twice on an item in Caja (e.g. once on the
folder icon, once on the text) - each time it detects this as a
double-click on that item.

The other alternative is to use a trackball instead of a mouse
(something I've come to prefer generally _anyway_).

J



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux on the cheap?

[J Fernyhough]

On 23 September 2015 at 14:23, Liam Proven  wrote:

> On 22 September 2015 at 20:49, Steve Mynott 
> wrote:
> > Any suggestions?
>
>
> http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/product_detail/15348/Lenovo-IBM-X201-Intel-i5-520M-2-4GHz-12-1-Laptop-4GB-160GB-Windows-7-Pro-No-WebCam/
>
>
In-stock A1 grade:
http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/product_detail/14830/Lenovo-IBM-X201-Intel-i5-520M-2-4GHz-12-1-Laptop-4GB-160GB-Windows-7-Pro/
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux on the cheap?

[J Fernyhough]

On 22/09/15 19:49, Steve Mynott wrote:
> Anyone any recommendations for very cheap laptops (ideally netbook
> like form factor) with good linux support?

Refurbished Lenovos. I got an X61 a couple of years ago for £60 and it's
(still) excellent. You should be able to find some X201 for around £150.

J


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Should I be worried by these strange 'trace routes'?

[J Fernyhough]

On 27 March 2015 at 21:29, mac  wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2015, at 21:24, J Fernyhough  wrote:
>> You're not running Tor are you?
>
> I've tried out the Tor Browser Bundle and had a look at Tails out of interest.
> Why do you ask?
>
>

It's possible the traffic is as the hostname suggests - a performance
testing scan so nodes know where to send traffic. You're more likely
to see this if you run as a bridge or exit node.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Should I be worried by these strange 'trace routes'?

[J Fernyhough]

On 27 March 2015 at 21:04, mac  wrote:
> Hi folks
>
> Apologies if this is a off topic, but I could do with a bit of advice, and
> can't think where else to ask.
>
> I have a Draytek router with 'DoS Defences' set up in the firewall,
> including 'block trace_route'.
>
> A few weeks ago, I got email alerts from my router to say it was blocking
> trace routes coming from within a block of IP addresses owned by Internap
> Network Services in Georgia, USA. This happened a few days in a row. So I
> turned off my modem and router over night, and got reassigned a different
> dynamic IP by my ISP.
>
> Today, my router alerted me that it was blocking the same source again trace
> routing my new IP address:
>
> 2015/03/27 19:45:23 --[DOS][Block][trace_route][70.42.24.18:36107->
> :33444][UDP][HLen=20,TLen=44]
> 2015/03/27 19:45:24 --[DOS][Block][trace_route][70.42.24.18:36107->
> :33445][UDP][HLen=20,TLen=44]
> 2015/03/27 19:45:28 --[DOS][Block][trace_route][70.42.24.24:36110->
> :33441][UDP][HLen=20,TLen=44]
> 2015/03/27 19:45:29 --[DOS][Block][trace_route][70.42.24.24:36110->
> :33442][UDP][HLen=20,TLen=44]
> 2015/03/27 19:45:33 --[DOS][Block][trace_route][70.42.24.27:36108->
> :33443][UDP][HLen=20,TLen=44]
>
> I'm not running any servers on my home network, and I don't have any
> non-standard ports open.
>

$ host 70.42.24.18
18.24.42.70.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
performance-measurement-174-1.tor001.pnap.net.

You're not running Tor are you?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Exposure

[J Fernyhough]

I don't know, "Professor Mike and his Machine" sounds like a great
children's book. :)

On 15 February 2015 at 13:07, Gareth France
 wrote:
> Spam?
>
> On 15/02/15 12:57, Sheila Farmer wrote:
>>
>> Hi ,
>> My name is Sheila Farmer, I am a friend of the Professor Mike and his
>> machine, I have cured malignant brain cancer, my book is soon to be
>> serialised in the National Tabloids, called Blue Rooms
>> www.sheilamfarmer.com , Your party is
>> mentioned in it, you will get extreme exposure from it.  The content of
>> the book was censored but I have found a way around it.  If you would
>> like to talk to me let me know.
>> Thanks Sheila Farmer.  Michael Tellinger for president.
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Swap area not created on install

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 October 2014 15:42, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
> On 17/10/14 15:36, J Fernyhough wrote:
>>
>> sudo mkswap /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
>> sudo swapon /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
>
>
> Looks like that's it.
> Swap is now showing up in System Monitor as available with 1GB of space.
>

Just to make sure it's pointed out, you'll need to add it to your
fstab to get it activated on each boot.

>
> As I'm going to add another GB of RAM shortly, will it expand automatically,
> or if not, can I increase the Swap area?
>

It won't expand automatically, and I'm not sure how LVM will respond
to resizing the first (root) group. I remember having problems
shrinking an ext4 partition to allow the volume group to be shrunk,
though you should be fine if you can take the disk offline (e.g. use a
USB live image). So it's possible, but a faff, and with more RAM you
should need swap less. If you're stuck you could create a swap file
instead and do away with the separate partition (I'll leave that as an
exercise for now ;).

>
> Thanks for all your help!
>

More than welcome. ;) I'm glad there was something on this list I
could help with!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Swap area not created on install

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 October 2014 15:31, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
>
> control sda5_crypt ubuntu--vg-root ubuntu--vg-swap_1
>

Nice - so the device is present, I reckon it just needs to be formatted.

sudo mkswap /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1
sudo swapon /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1

Once it's formatted it should also show up in 'blkid'. After swapon it
should show as active in 'free'.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Swap area not created on install

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 October 2014 15:20, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
>
> Output of blkid:
>
> /dev/sda1: UUID="ba8d370e-f29c-4c18-ae93-650b7fe5f2a2" TYPE="ext2"
> /dev/sda5: UUID="f114109b-288a-432e-85bb-ba6be511ad58" TYPE="crypto_LUKS"
> /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt: UUID="GVodJX-Am7J-fDKW-PWoG-7XBA-LpvG-U3G5NB"
> TYPE="LVM2_member"
> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: UUID="c0f919a1-e626-44d6-b621-73134eeefda4"
> TYPE="ext4"
>

Oki, so it doesn't look like it's actually created a swap partition.
What's the output of 'ls /dev/mapper/' ?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Swap area not created on install

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 October 2014 14:26, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what the 1.1 GB partition is, and as presumably I do need
> a Swap area, how do I create one?
>

That's your swap device.

Check free -m:

me@pc ~> free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  7680   4660   3019221  3   1141
-/+ buffers/cache:   3515   4164
Swap: 9398  0   9398

Note the "Swap:" line. If you have that swap is active; if you don't, it's not.

Check also your /etc/fstab (run e.g. cat /etc/fstab). Mine has a line:

# swap was on /dev/sdb6 during installation
UUID=a156e2ed-db18-4064-9d6f-9bd310328c80 noneswapsw
   0   0

Yours should show as /dev/ubuntu-vg/swap_1. If it's present but not
active, type:

sudo swapon /dev/ubuntu-vg/swap_1

This should get it to show as active. If it's not present, add it in.
Two choices:

1) Find its UUID by running:

sudo blkid

Mine shows:

/dev/sda6: UUID="a156e2ed-db18-4064-9d6f-9bd310328c80" TYPE="swap"

Then you can use a line similar to my /etc/fstab in your own.

2) Specify it by /dev instead, e.g.:

/dev/ubuntu-vg/swap_1   none   swap  sw   0   0


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sharing files and folders between two 14.04 machines

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 October 2014 14:08, Liam Proven  wrote:
>
> But why run ssh on your own internal LAN? What's the point of encrypting it?
>

For file transfers I've found it to be slightly more reliable than
samba. I have a Netgear WNR-3500L (running Shibby's TomatoUSB) acting
as a NAS and samba would regularly die (granted this was probably the
firmware); SFTP, although slower by default, works consistently well.

It also acts as a control channel if e.g. I need to update other
machines etc. It's bloody useful.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New netbook?

[J Fernyhough]

On 13 October 2014 13:11, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
>
> How do you find the battery life on your Lenovo x?
> I have a Lenovo U410 and the battery life, even with TPL installed never
> goes much over 3 hours...which is a pita

I can get 3 hours repeatably, but this is not light-use. There's
normally a bit of software compilation, 3G device tethering, and
probably phone charging, with base consumption about 16W according to
powertop.

I've found with mine that fancontrol can make a huge difference. The
main fan sucks up about 8W on its lowest setting according to powertop
(and the secondary some more), so setting fancontrol to activate a
little higher than normal (60C or so rather than 45C) saves huge
amounts of power; during normal use mine won't go much higher than 55C
anyway.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New netbook?

[J Fernyhough]

On 4 October 2014 16:00, Barry Drake  wrote:
> Thanks for that.  I'm looking at an X220 on e-bay.  The spec is terrific.
> It's a bit bigger than I really wanted, but it is a possibility.  What is
> the overall height and width of your X61 please?
>

It was easier for me to search for this than actually measure it... ;)

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61s
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/lenovo-thinkpad-x61-review/

Dimensions: 268 x 211 x 20-28 mm (10.5 x 8.3 x 0.8-1.1")

Bear in mind that the later X series are widescreen so are... wider.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New netbook?

[J Fernyhough]

On 4 October 2014 15:25, Barry Drake  wrote:
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don't do gaming - I just want something that
> will do e-mails, internet and documents.  I use cloud sync for documents and
> I keep Thunderbird and Firefox in sync with my desktop.
>
> Kind regards,Barry.

I'd look at a refurbished Lenovo X series. There are X61s for under
£100 and X220/X230s available for around £300-400. The X61 I have runs
pretty darned nicely (and with only a C2D T7300), much faster than
standard netbooks (e.g. Chromebooks) but an X230 with 3rd-gen Core i5
would really fly along.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 September 2014 17:44, Liam Proven  wrote:
> Which is about 50x more powerful than this machine, which came with
> about 32MB of RAM and a 75MHz CPU or something like that.
>

Yeah, I realised that after I'd posted...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] old toshiba

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 September 2014 17:28, Liam Proven  wrote:
> For such an old PC (>10y old), any modern Linux distro will really
> struggle. About the only *buntu with even a chance is LXLE:
>
> http://lxle.net/
>
> Go with the 12.04 version.
>
> But it would be better suited to Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux.
>

I might even be even more controversial and suggest the LXQt or PekWM
versions of Manjaro. Even their Xfce edition works nicely on an EeePC
901.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 July 2014 23:36, John Oliver  wrote:
> Should it not match the wording already used in Nautilus preferences?
> Namely, "Arrange icons by name".
>
> Being a person who likes cohesive approaches, that would be my preferred
> translation.
>

This would make sense (as well as being shorterisated).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 July 2014 20:51, Anthony Harrington
 wrote:
> On 30/07/14 20:23, Bruno Girin wrote:
>> On 30 July 2014 18:51, J Fernyhough  wrote:
>> On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
>>> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>>>> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>>>>>>
>>>>> OED says yes :)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Al.
>>>
>>> Oh god. I give up.
>>>
>>> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>>>
>>> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>>>
>>> Bah humbug.
>>>
>>> Al
>>
>>
>> I think the term is now "verbise".
>>
>> (I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong with the 
>> established "Sort desktop icons by name")
>
>
> I agree. I immediately understand "Sort desktop icons by name" while I have 
> to think twice to understand "Alphabetise Desktop Icons" so I'd prefer the 
> former as it's more explicit.
>
> Bruno
>
> Isn't 'sort desktop icons by name' a bit wordy/long though? You are 
> essentially 'alphabetising' them?
>
>

I'll lean on my teaching experience here. While "Sort desktop icons by
name" has more words it's far easier to understand and process.

Sort
desktop icons
by name

It makes sense and all words are one or two syllables. "Alphabetise"
is not only a difficult word to read, it's too long to read in one go
(people read primarily by word shape not by individual letters; also
notice how you (probably) have to move your eyes to read "alpha" and
"betise" separately).

Finally, I'd argue the actual length difference is negligible:

Alphabetise = 11 chars
Sort by name = 12 chars inc. spaces

"Never utilise a lengthier word on the occasion a shorter equivalent
will suffice."


Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 July 2014 18:11, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:

> On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>
>>>
 "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...


>>> OED says yes :)
>>>
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/
>>> alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>>>
>>
> Oh god. I give up.
>
> Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
> The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
> Bah humbug.
>
> Al
>


I think the term is now "verbise".

(I agree it's not stylistically en_GB. I don't see what's wrong with the
established "Sort desktop icons by name")

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 14.10 code name

[J Fernyhough]

On 23 April 2014 16:56, Bruno Girin  wrote:
> The adjective may be the difficult part. Unreliable Unicorn doesn't sound
> too good.
>

Reading MS's blog post, I think the time delay was probably actually
due to his trying to find unique u-words to use. :)


"Ubuntu 14.10: Go on, stroke my horn"


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 14.10 code name

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 April 2014 18:23, Chris Coulson  wrote:
>
> I hope it involves unicorns. How about, "Ubiquitous Unicorn"? :-)
>
> - Chris
>

I think the entire internet would be severely disappointed if it didn't. :D


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 14.10 code name

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 April 2014 17:52, Gareth France  wrote:
> No doubt he
> has his reasons.
>

"Following the controversial renaming of Nokia to Microsoft Mobile and
corresponding loss of brand identity, in a shock move Ubuntu will be
renamed Microsoft Linux."

http://mslinux.org/


Maybe he's having difficulty with a "U" animal? School children often
struggle with that one when they try to list an animal for each letter
of the alphabet. :D (And no, unicorn doesn't count ;)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cloud backup ....

[J Fernyhough]

On 8 April 2014 16:25, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 08/04/14 15:59, Barry Drake wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately it costs, but only a meagre $10 as a one-off.  You get a
>> free trial though.
>
>
> Sorry, meant to say $15.  If you get me to make a referral on my account,
> you get an extra 15 days free trial, as do I, so if you are interested,
> e-mail me off list and I'll make one.
>
> Regards,Barry.

There are tons (and tonnes) of "free" cloud storage providers out
there. For example, OVH's hubiC provides 25GB free (100GB@€1pm,
10TB@€10pm). IIRC Box also provides 50GB.

I've also had some success with ownCloud on a low-end dedi (which also
provides other services) for around 500GB@£100py (though I fell back
on Unison sync+Ajaxplorer rather than using ownCloud). This has the
added benefit of keeping everything under my control.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Online Office Apps

[J Fernyhough]

On 21 February 2014 15:11, Liam Proven  wrote:
> On 21 February 2014 15:07, Nigel Verity  wrote:
>> I have to maintain a Windows 7 partition solely to run MS Word. I work on
>> all my documents in LibreOffice but my customers invariably require DOCX
>> format. I need Word to double-check the formatting of the end-product as the
>> LO implementation of DOCX is still not 100%.
>>
>> Does anybody know if the on-line MS office tools, such as those you access
>> through Hotmail, SkyDrive etc, render DOCX format files exactly the same as
>> the desktop applications? It would be good to save the cost of future Office
>> upgrades, and I could get rid of my Windows partition.
>>
>> For information I don't use any very complex formatting - headers, footers,
>> page numbering, fonts, bullets and tables. That's about it.
>
>
> Have you tried running the Microsoft Word Viewer under WINE?
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891090
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Kingsoft Office alpha works pretty well too.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox hogging the processor

[J Fernyhough]

On 2 February 2014 13:04, Anthony Harrington
 wrote:
>
> I'd recommend adding the Mozilla daily ppa and upgrading your installation
> that way. It's usually updated everyday of the year, give or take the odd
> week around holidays (for obvious reasons!) but i've yet to have problems
> with it in all the years i've been using it. It really is a great resource.

The only downside of this is the extra download size. Using the PPA
will download the full 30MB .deb for each update, whereas the Mozilla
"local" version downloads the .mar (so does a diff update). Much
smaller (about 2MB per day).

Of course, if Ubuntu would support delta-update debs... ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox hogging the processor

[J Fernyhough]

On 2 February 2014 12:25, Colin Law  wrote:
>
> I should have said, it is the standard version from the 13.10 repo.
> 26.0+build2-0ubuntu0.13.10.2
> I might give the beta a go if I can work out how to install it.
>

The easiest way to test is to just download from mozilla.org,
unarchive, and run:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/beta/
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/aurora/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox hogging the processor

[J Fernyhough]

On 2 February 2014 11:55, Colin Law  wrote:

> HI

-- 

> I can't find anything on launchpad.  Any suggestions anyone?
>
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>  Colin
>
>
Which version of Firefox are you running? You might try the beta or aurora
channels; I've seen a fair few issues with FF26, for example, that I
haven't seen in 27a or 28a.

Having said that, I've occasionally had high CPU with Gmail. I wonder if it
sometimes gets stuck in an AJAX loop (or some other race condition).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 Jan 2014 16:07, "Barry Drake"  wrote:
> Schools are still teaching Microsoft 

This is changing. Slowly, but it's changing.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!

[J Fernyhough]

On 29 January 2014 21:03, Barry Drake  wrote:

> Hi there ...  A couple of weeks ago, I did a BIOS (UEFI) update as
> requested after reporting a bug.  The result was that an installation of
> Windows 7 which I had on a removable drive died completely and I lost it.
>  How unstable Windows can be at times like this!
>
> When I looked at my very rare need for Windows, I found that I only have
> occasional need to use Microsoft Word to open a docx file which is heavily
> formatted and shows complete garbage in Libreoffice, and for the very
> occasional publisher file I am sent.  I have now successfully installed
> Word and Publisher under Wine and assume I will never need to boot Windows
> again.  Oh, thank you
>
> Barry Drake.
>

"Free at last, free at last, we are Windows-free at last."

You might also want to check out Kingsoft Office Linux. It's not as
fully-featured as Word or Libreoffice yet, but it opens and edits Word,
Excel and Powerpoint documents pretty much flawlessly (though it doesn't do
stuff like conditional formatting yet). It's a good backup when LibreOffice
chokes.

http://wps-community.org/



Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11 - 13" Notebook Recommendations?

[J Fernyhough]

On 11 December 2013 19:28, Liam Proven  wrote:
> On 11 December 2013 18:19, Deryk Foote  wrote:
>> Ubuntu is great at a lot of things, but keeping my cinder block of an old
>> Dell from kicking the proverbial bucket isn't one of them.
>
>
>
> If you want something a bit more basic, Crunchbang works very well. It
> used to be Ubuntu based but now it's based on Debian. It's even
> lighter-weight than Lubuntu but a bit more basic. Do remember to turn
> off display compositing though - this is on by default and really
> slows down older machines.
>


Going out on a slight limb here, but I've had great success* with
Manjaro on a set of EeePC 901s (Atom chips with 1GB RAM). Their XFCE
version is excellent, and the OpenBox spin (ManjaroBox) is even
lighter.

It's Arch-based rather than Debian, though. Not that this is a
disadvantage - AUR and ABS are incredibly useful.

It also works very well on newer stuff (even better in some cases than
more established distros). I wouldn't yet use it for a stable server
though!

J


*made a note, there.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xfce Appearance

[J Fernyhough]

On 28 October 2013 11:12, Nigel Verity  wrote:
> All the stock Xfce applications look modern and easy on the eye - curved
> button corners, bevelled surfaces, etc. However some, though by no means
> all, non-Xfce applications have an appearance more akin to Windows 3 - dark
> grey flat surfaces and "untextured" right-angled corners.
>

It sounds like these applications could be QT-based and need to have
their theme set. You should be able to use qtconfig-qt4 to set their
theme to GTK+, which should in turn pick up the XFCE theme.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander - [Name]

[J Fernyhough]

Telephonic Triggerfish

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems with a freezing machine: All kernels in 12.04 and 13.04

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 August 2013 14:30, James Morrissey  wrote:
> If i uninstall bcmwl-kernel-source, which of the following packages
> do i need to install in order to get my wireless working:
> firmware-b43-installer, firmware-b43-lppy-installer, b43-fwcutter, and/or
> firmware-b43legacy-installer. I ask because i have had other problems
> installing the wrong packages in 13.04 after trying to the the upstream
> kernel to work (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140655) -
> ironically part of a vain attempt to resolve the freezing issue.
>

This depends on the card. I'd start with firmware-b43-installer. IIRC
it will complain if it's the wrong one for the card (but according to
the saucy package it lists the BCM4322 as compatible; not sure if this
is the same family as the BCM43228).

>
> I have thought of this and would be happy to be rid of this broadcom issue
> altogether - the only reason i have this card is because Lenovo replaced my
> previous faulty machine (which had an intel card) with a newer model, which
> only had a broadcom option. That said, forums tell me that with a laptop i
> need to make sure the wireless card is compatible with the rest of the
> machine's components. How do i check this to determine which intel card to
> buy? Lenovo support is so useless as to make me loath to try contact them
> about it.
>

It appears from a quick search that the only Intel-based card that is
included in the whitelist is "60Y3253 - Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205
802.11a/b/g/n card (Intel 6205 chipset)" [1]. There's a possibility
that there's a hacked BIOS out there which removes the whitelisting,
though (there certainly are for the X61 [2]); I'm not recommending
this but there are threads out there [3].

J

[1] 
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/X131e-WLAN-BIOS-Whitelist/td-p/1103623
[2] 
http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/459591-t61-x61-sata-ii-1-5-gb-s-cap-willing-pay-solution-8.html#post6501443
[3] 
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/5866-LENOVO-%28IBM%29-Bioses-especially-Thinkpad

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problems with a freezing machine: All kernels in 12.04 and 13.04

[J Fernyhough]

> On 22/08/13 13:21, James Morrissey wrote:
>
--snip--
>
> The fact that there was a wireless problem on Broadcom BCM43228 and that the
> freeze appears to correlate with having the machine on battery power (i am
>

This sounds like a problem with the Broadcom drivers - this was a
known problem with early versions of bcmwl-kernel-source 6.* (5.* was
fine), but I'm not sure if it has been addressed. The easiest
workaround I found for my Mini311c was to use the b43 driver
(firmware-b43-installer) - other people gave up and put in an Intel
wireless card instead (not an ideal solution but it works).

I haven't used my 311c for a while (since I got a refurb X61) but the
bug report [1] has a link to an updated package from saucy [2] that's
been reported to fix the issue. Of course, if you don't have internet
access that doesn't help much...

Jonathon

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1134389
[2] 
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/6.30.223.30+bdcom-0ubuntu2/+build/4724924/+files/bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.30%2Bbdcom-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout  wrote:
> Right a quick google of 'SELinux ubuntu 13.04' a link top of page to an
> Amazon page trying to sell me a Ubunutu DVD for £6.49 (even I am not
> that stupid) the SELinux wiki page is helpful if long-winded, and I have
> found a folder /selinux which is completely empty on my system? does
> that mean it is there?
> Or is it there and never been configured for use?
> And on a single user system (as opposed to a server) do I need it at all?
>
> I apologize in advance if I (1) should start a new thread (will happily
> do so), or (2) am asking stupid questions, but this thread has got me
> thinking..
>
> Pete Smout
>

Ubuntu uses AppArmor rather than SELInux (which is used by e.g.
Fedora, CentOS and SUSE). This is probably why you haven't found a lot
about it wrt Ubuntu!

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OpenSSH Problems

[J Fernyhough]

On 21 August 2013 15:43, Colin Law  wrote:
> On 21 August 2013 15:36, Nigel Verity  wrote:
>> I am on the lookout for a bit of advice on using SSH/SFTP to transfer large
>> files between devices on my home network.
>
> Have a look at rsync, it is generally much quicker than ftp.
>
> Colin
>

While I agree that rsync is excellent, I'm not sure this is the root
of the problem. I've had the same thing when transferring files over
SSH; generally rsync works better though, so I've never gone further
to work out what's happening. I do know, though, that when I used to
use samba for file sharing rather than SSH, samba was considerably
more consistent (it was also faster due to lack of encryption, though
I'm sure there's a way of speeding up SSH too).

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Has anybody seen this and what do you think......

[J Fernyhough]

On 1 August 2013 09:13, Jon Spriggs  wrote:
> Just bear in mind while you're not wrong about it only going to a
> handful of vendors, you've got the names wrong when it comes to IT.
>
> HP (was EDS), IBM, Computacentre, Fujitsu, Capita, CapGemini
>
> G4S don't have an IT arm that I'm aware of, Serco - not a clue, and I
> think PwC's IT contracts were all bought by IBM, but I might be wrong.
>

Ah, yes, I wasn't specifically thinking of IT, but specifics are
probably better. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Has anybody seen this and what do you think......

[J Fernyhough]

On 31 July 2013 22:03, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés  wrote:

>
> Goverment has bigger contacts with huge service companies and those can
> still be broken.
>

I avoided commenting until now, but realistically any UK Government
contract is locked down to one of the normal "preferred bidders"
precisely due to its huge value. Whether Serco, Capita, G4S, PwC, ...,
a contract of any value will be handed out, I mean, put out for
procurement, to one of those companies that have ex-Ministers,
ex-advisers, and ex-officers on board (or on Board). It's the way
things have always been done - there was a piece highlighted from a
newspaper from (around) 1900 outlining concerns about a "revolving
door" between Whitehall and companies and interest groups.

It's bloody depressing - but on a lighter note, there are at least
some places trying. From Slashdot earlier today:

"Around a year ago, a school in the southeast of England, Westcliff
High School for Girls Academy (WHSG), began switching its
student-facing computers to Linux, with KDE providing the desktop
software. The school's Network Manager, Malcolm Moore, contacted us at
the time. Now, a year on, he got in touch again to let us know how he
and the students find life in a world without Windows." And they
didn't even meet much resistance: "Younger students accept it as
normal. Older students can be a little less flexible. There are still
a few that are of the view that I can get rid of Microsoft Word when I
can pry it from them. Staff are the same (although it is surprisingly
not age-related). Some are OK and some hate it. Having said that, an
equal number hate Windows 7 and nobody liked Windows 8. I think the
basic problem is that Windows XP is a victim of its own success. It
works fairly well from a user point of view, it's been around
practically forever, and people don't like change, even some students,
oddly."

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/31/1645240/a-year-of-linux-desktop-at-westcliff-high-school

The answer seems to be to start local and not worry about global,
because global is never going to happen until all the local has
shifted (unless you're in Munich).

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Has anybody seen this and what do you think......

[J Fernyhough]

On 29 July 2013 19:42, scoundrel50a  wrote:
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mi6-and-mi5-refuse-to-use-lenovo-computers-over-claims-chinese-company-makes-them-vulnerable-to-hacking-says-report-8737072.html
>

Huawei equipment, on the other hand, is completely fine, and
absolutely suitable for the mobile telecoms infrastructure, BT's 21CN
and fibre backbone, and the proposed UK internet filter.

Otherwise known as "inward investment".

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy and unity-common

[J Fernyhough]

On 23 July 2013 13:29, Neil Greenwood  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is anyone else using Saucy yet? A few days ago I was presented with a unity
> update that won't install because of a conflict between libunity-core-6.0-7
> and unity-common 7.0.2+13.10.20130705.1-0ubuntu1
>
> The proposed solution is to remove unity-common. I left out a few days to
> see if it was a temporary issue. Should I remove unity-common?

I took the plunge and removed unity-common a couple of weeks ago (I
have a number of staging PPAs enabled). The package itself is no
longer available in the saucy repos (check $ apt-cache policy
unity-common), so I'd go ahead and remove it!

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting

[J Fernyhough]

On 21 July 2013 04:53, Calum McAllister  wrote:
> So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong protocol on
> here?
>

It's just a case of following the conventions of the discussion. When
I join a mailing list I tend to read some of the archives or let a few
messages come in (i.e. lurk) I before I dive in. It also gives you
some idea of the prevailing attitude and helps avoid
misunderstandings.

> Yes, I've subscribed to this mailing list for years but it's about time I
> unsubscribed because I don't *know* this either and don't care to try to
> figure it out just to be discussing the correct format or how old school I
> am.
>

This stuff comes up regularly. It's a mailing list meme, just like the
ever-present emacs vs. vi(m) "discussion". I've never seen reply
position threads taken quite as seriously as that, though. I've
inlined replies for years (before it was a thing?). Otherwise it tends
to be very difficult to follow which points you're replying to.

> Perhaps a real problem-solver will come up with a way to avoid these
> discussions? I like the idea of a link to a clear explaination being
> included in the header.
>

In IRC this would be set in the topic. Something like a FAQ on the
list subscribe page might perform a similar same function?

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux GUI Development

[J Fernyhough]

On 19 July 2013 15:35, Nigel Verity  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I write all the software to support my business activities using Gambas 3. If 
> you've used Visual Basic you can use Gambas. The two are remarkably similar. 
> You can connect to an SQLite database with 3 lines of code, and then you have 
> a very close equivalent to Access as well.
>
> While I would highly recommend Gambas, my reservation is that its development 
> team is very small and appears to rely on the expertise and goodwill of one 
> person. This obviously makes it vulnerable.
>
> I need a contingency plan in case Gambas support ceases. Does anybody have 
> recommendations for alternative rapid development environments?
>
> I've used  a number of programming languages over the years, so that isn't an 
> issue. The main consideration is that it has a WYSIWYG form designer and a 
> straightforward method of connecting the GUI to the code.
>
> I've looked at Glade/GTK Builder. It falls well short of Gambas in terms of 
> ease-of-use, but it would be better than nothing. Any other suggestions, 
> please?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nige
>
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Slightly different language, but there's Lazarus. It's an IDE for
FreePascal and should be roughly equivalent. MonoDevelop might also be
worth a look if .NET is acceptable. ;)

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Job

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2013 15:25, pete smout  wrote:

> Hi,
> During my daily search for gainful employment, I stumbled across this
> http://www.technojobs.co.uk/**job.phtml/1366734:
>  Which I do not have the experience to do :(
>
> It does strike me as a great opportunity & I'm sure someone on this list
> is more capable than me!
>
> Good luck
>
> Pete Smout
>
>
That does look good - not sure about the whole relocating to New Zealand
bit though!

Hmm... there are a few interesting-looking "Linux" jobs on there... just a
shame it's all recruitment agents rather than companies.

J
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home folder keeps disappearing

[J Fernyhough]

On 31 May 2013 22:12, David King  wrote:
> /home is mounted on /sda7
> it has 12.37 GiB free, and it's 71.29 GiB in size (according to gparted)
>

What's the content of /etc/fstab ? Your /home should be in there (but
it's not showing with 'mount'... interesting...).

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Deja-dup & [lucky] backup

[J Fernyhough]

On 31 May 2013 16:14, Grant Phillips-Sewell
 wrote:
> then there are tools out there

[citation needed]

> which can scan each
> block/sector of your drive to find the remnants of previous partition
> structures, optionally re-write your partition table back to what it found,
> and then there are tools to recover filesystems after this. It can be a
> long, drawn out process... or it can take 10 minutes, depending on the size
> of the drive, the amount of data and the amount of destruction.
>

But seriously, what do you recommend? It's useful to know before these
things are needed. :)

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Deja-dup & [lucky] backup

[J Fernyhough]

On 30 May 2013 16:01, SuperEngineer  wrote:
>
> My next step - to buy that external disk I kept putting off buying!!  ;)
>

Agreed - do it now. :)

I especially like bus-powered 2.5" drives. No need for any extra crap,
just plug in and backup (my flavour is rsync to a ZFS tank). You can
get 1TB USB3 for around £50 so it also works out way cheaper than
something like Dropbox.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] VIA Neheima CPU and Ubuntu Server

[J Fernyhough]

On 14 May 2013 13:26, Byte Soup  wrote:
>
> Hi All, has anyone tried to boot a Ubuntu Server live DVD / CD for the above 
> CPU, I managed to get knoppix to boot and I see the following details on the 
> CPU (using "lscpu"):
>
> Architecture: i686
> CPU(s): 1
> Threads: 1
> Cores: 1
> CPU sockets: 1
> Vendor Id: CentaurHauls
> CPU family: 6
> Model: 9
> Stepping: 5
> CPU Mhz: 1002.291
>
> A bit of googling shows older release like 9.04 were ok with supporting this 
> but not later versions. Im thinking maybe I could boot the server DVD and 
> then go on to install it if I had the right kernel parameters?
>
> Any advice would be appreciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
The C3 doesn't have PAE support [1]. This means the more recent
kernels (IIRC quantal and up) won't boot as their config has PAE as a
requirement. You'll either need to compile your own, or use a distro
that retains support for those older non-PAE chips.

Jonathon

[1] From 
http://datasheets.chipdb.org/VIA/Nehemiah/VIA%20C3%20Nehemiah%20Datasheet%20R113.pdf
, page 2-12 (24?):

"Physical Address Extensions: PAE
This function is omitted since the target market for the VIA C3
Nehemiah processor is portables and typical desktop systems. These
systems do not use 2 MB paging and have greater than 4 GB of system
memory."

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] DSL provider

[J Fernyhough]

On 7 May 2013 10:07, James Tait  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/05/13 08:36, TT Mooney wrote:
> > I've been a happy user of O2 broadband for years, but now that
> > Murdoch has laid his hands on it, I want to change provider.
> >
> > Does anyone have a recommendation? I used to have BT, and they
> > were mostly useless. There is a bit of bittorent going on, so I'm
> > looking for an uncapped adsl2 service. Virgin Media is not
> > available in my area.
>
> I've been a happy customer of Andrews and Arnold [0] for almost two
> years.  I started off with a BT line, then switched to Be, but I'm
> also planning to move away from them with the Murdoch take over.
>
> AA deal with BT for you, and they do a good job of it.  To be fair,
> the only reason I switched to a Be backhaul was cost.  I won't go into
> all the details here, they're on the web site, but briefly the Home::1
> package offers a real (no NAT) IPv4 address, a /48 native IPv6 block
> and 50GB any time downloads for £25 a month.  After that, it's up to
> you to choose what add-ons you need.
>
> HTH,
>
> JT
>
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+1 for AA. I've been with them for several years. While they're not the
cheapest the service level is exceptional, i.e. you get what you pay for.
Speeds are always best-effort, there is no filtering or SPI, and the
support team are highly knowledgeable and responsive. Just as an example, I
moved properties and wanted to merge the new account with my old one. I
went on IRC, asked, and was done in less than five minutes. You can also
normally chat with the company owner (RevK).

It looks like the Home::1 tariff is a good bet if you need 'net access
during weekdays. Otherwise I'd stick to the unit-based system. In addition
to the ~£20 base cost (including two units), one unit is ~£3.90 which buys
you a mix of 1GB (or 2.5GB on 21CN ADSL2+) 9am-6pm and 50GB 6pm-9am, with
"night time special" running 2am-6am with 1TB/unit. Weekends and Bank
Holidays are 50GB/unit. If you over- or under-use the difference is carried
over to the next month and you can change units on a month-by-month basis.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Life without unity

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 April 2013 21:11, Gareth France  wrote:

> So I wonder how many of those who slate unity simply haven't given it a
> chance


Most of them. It's like all "journalism" today: link bait, sensationalist,
context-free. Most things aren't as bad (or as good) as people make out.

Having said that, I've used Unity a lot and have tried living with
gnome-shell, Classic, Fallback, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE... but have settled on
XFCE+Synapse. XFCE stays out of the way (I have a window list/system tray
at the top and an autohide "dock" on the left), and Synapse gives me quick
access to everything. I wouldn't slate Unity though.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dynamic DNS service

[J Fernyhough]

On 19 March 2013 23:09, Will Tinsdeall  wrote:
> Hurricane Electric dns.he.net - absolutely brilliant. I have it scheduled
> via a 1 line wget in a crontab file. I use them for Secondary DNS as well.
>
> You'll get plenty of support from them - on Twitter too!

+1 also for dns.he.net.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dynamic DNS service

[J Fernyhough]

On 19 March 2013 14:31, Iain Cuthbertson  wrote:
> On 19/03/13 14:24, Mark Fraser wrote:
>> I've been using dyndns on my home server with ddclient successfully for a few
>> years now and I've recently given my dad a laptop with Ubuntu installed on it
>> that I would like to access remotely.
>>
>> Looking at dyndns's website it looks like the free option that I'm on is no
>> longer available, what is the current recommendation on a service that will
>> work with ddclient or some other software?
>>
> Using joker.com for my domain registration, ddyns is available for free
> (50 entries per domain I think).
> Don't know of any completely free options sorry.
>
> Iain

https://freedns.afraid.org/ is just one.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] fglrx driver under 13.04

[J Fernyhough]

On 21/02/2013, Barry Drake  wrote:
> Hi there   If any of you are using the AMD fglrx driver you might be
> interested in this.  The driver is fine under 12.10 and earlier, but
> under 13.04 Raring the driver works perfectly but gives an annoying
> transparent message in the lower right screen saying 'AMD Unsupported
> Hardware'.  The search engines tell me that this problem exists in every
> Ubuntu upgrade until the driver developers get around to recognising the
> new version of Ubuntu - which can take a while..
>
> Two workarounds are offered.  The one that uses 'sed' simply breaks the
> current version and needs fglrx removing using the commandline, in order
> to rescue the system.  An elegant solution that works for me is to
> simply replace the file 'control' in /etc/ati/ with the one from an
> earlier Ubuntu version (in my case, 12.10).  /etc/ati/ is a symlink -
> the full path on my installation is
> /etc/alternatives/i386-linux-gnu_ati_conf  I have saved a copy of
> 'control' as I assume that the annoyance will come back with the next
> kernel upgrade.
>

There are two watermarks that generally appear: "Unsupported Hardware"
and "Testing Use Only". You're right, for "Unsupported Hardware" you
need a control file from a driver version that lists your card as
supported (which is a more fully-tested driver version). For "Testing
Use Only" you need an /etc/ati/signature from a signed release.

Bear in mind this isn't affected by a kernel upgrade, only by a new
driver package. It's still worth keeping a copy of the last known good
fglrx .debs locally, though, not only for things like extracting
patches for use with the AMD releases, but as a failsafe!

If you are running beta versions of fglrx on Raring there are a couple
of threads that are worth visiting. One is my own on ubuntuforums.org
("fglrx on raring") which should be up-to-date with the latest
release. The other is the "AMD Bar and Grill" on the Arch forums.
Vi0l0 is particularly good at keeping their packages current.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu not booting up

[J Fernyhough]

On 20 November 2012 12:59, David King, linux user  wrote:
> I should also add that the hard disk is still quite new.
>

How much free space do you have? e.g. what's the output of

$ df -h

?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu one goes postal!

[J Fernyhough]

On 7 November 2012 22:04, Gareth France  wrote:
> Ubuntu One is designed to sync multiple machines, right? So can someone
> please explain why when I added another machine it chose to delete all the
> files out of Ubuntu One rather than download them

They're trying to introduce new privacy features? (/hides)

> In turn this has deleted
> said files of my main machine too, including my accounting!

Ouch.

This happened to me with Dropbox a while ago; all of the files
deleted, though thankfully Dropbox keeps deleted files available via
the web interface. I never found out why, but I thought it might have
been due to a time difference between the machines.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raring Ringtail .....

[J Fernyhough]

On 5 November 2012 11:18, A  wrote:
> Does this not significantly reduce the opportunities for bug catching
> from the community?
>

Only for ISO testing. I just reinstalled a minimal quantal, changed
the sources.list to raring, dist-upgrade, and away I go.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing GIMP 2.8

[J Fernyhough]

On 7 October 2012 12:45, J Fernyhough  wrote:
> On 7 October 2012 12:41, Nigel Verity  wrote:
>>
>> Each time I try this I just get 2.6.1 installed, regardless. It strikes me
>> that the default version must still be in the list of standard repositories.
>>
>> Any advice?
>>
>
> First , if you're not confident, leave it alone. :)
>
> However, you can install ppa-purge which will allow you to roll back
> to official packages if the PPA packages don't work as expected, or
> messes up dependencies:
>
> $ sudo ppa-purge ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
>
> This way you can try it without much risk. I'm running with that PPA
> in Quantal and it works fine for me. :)
>
> J

Apologies, I didn't read the question. :(

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing GIMP 2.8

[J Fernyhough]

On 7 October 2012 12:41, Nigel Verity  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm trying to install GIMP 2.8 into Ubuntu 12.04, where the default version
> is 2.6.1.
>
> All the advice I can find seems to be essentially the same, namely:
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install gimp
>
> Each time I try this I just get 2.6.1 installed, regardless. It strikes me
> that the default version must still be in the list of standard repositories.
> I'm reluctant to mess around with this list without knowing the effects. I
> use Synaptic all the time, but without a detailed understanding of how it
> works behind the scenes e.g resolving dependencies. Consequently I don't
> what to make a change to the repository lists which might screw things up.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Regards
>
> Nige

First , if you're not confident, leave it alone. :)

However, you can install ppa-purge which will allow you to roll back
to official packages if the PPA packages don't work as expected, or
messes up dependencies:

$ sudo ppa-purge ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp

This way you can try it without much risk. I'm running with that PPA
in Quantal and it works fine for me. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

[J Fernyhough]

On 25 September 2012 00:22, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>
> Its similar to apples voice..goes to their servers and then back to
> you...its why I dont use itbe interesting to know how android voice
> search works if it works in the same way..how much gets kept of the
> search and if it does for how long.
>
Google Now. Incredibly scary. "You are here! How about some food? This
place has offers on food you like! And how about a film? They're
showing a film you searched for recently...!"

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

[J Fernyhough]

First things, please don't view this as an attack on the usefulness of
Unity lenses. View it as coming from a "critical friend" (and if in
doubt re-read it a couple of times).

On 25 September 2012 00:22, James Thomas  wrote:
> Hmmm.. You are writing from a google mail account that does send targeted
> adverts dependent on the content of your emails.

Which I know about. It's in the privacy agreement/terms of use when I
sign up for the service. I don't recall anything similar with Unity,

> This system is giving you what you want without profiling you or passing
> your data on.

Where's the privacy policy? How do I know this?

> I don't understand the issue here, there is no data mining going on. You
> make a request and the server gives you (hopefully) the response you want,
> much like typing in a search at google.
> Except google do profile you.

Not quite. When I type into the Dash it's the primary way of launching
local applications and finding local files. There was a blog post
(IIRC by Mark) about changes to the Dash removing "available for
installation" applications as people viewed their Dash as their own.
In addition, with a Google search there's a "privacy policy" link at
the bottom of the page; there's nothing similar for Unity. Plus, I can
change the amount of  information sent back to Google. If I search
while not signed in it's not linked to my account. If I want to use
the network-based location service on my Android phone I can set the
device not to report my location to Google. Canonical can
(theoretically) build a profile based on geoIP, Ubuntu One SSO,
(Firefox searches?), and now Dash searches; the point of discussion is
how to "find the creepy line".

> This is making things more secure to search, not less...
>
> Or is my understanding completely off?
>

It's all about making sure people are aware. Though this will likely
open me up for flames, the evolution of the Unity lenses smacks of a
hobbyist attitude (much like some of Google's services): it works for
me, I have no problem with it, I can't understand why anyone would
mind, but if you do you can go somewhere else.

One solution is pretty straightforward: make online search features an
option in the installer (same page as third-party codecs) with a link
to the privacy policy etc.

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses

[J Fernyhough]

On 24 September 2012 23:32, Alan Pope  wrote:
> 4) It doesn't go directly to Amazon (or other stores) anyway. It's proxied
> via a Canonical server which anonymizes the requests.
>

Ohhh, this could open up a can of worms. Does this mean everything I
(hypothetically) type into the Dash is being transmitted to Canonical?

J

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] skype

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 August 2012 19:02, Wayne Roberts  wrote:
> I've 'purged' dropbox but skype still refuses to start any more ideas?
>

Which version of Skype are you running? And from where? What other
changes have you made to the system, e.g. other updates? (you can
check your update history in Synaptic).

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Steam fears Win8 - proposes Linux

[J Fernyhough]

On 31 July 2012 14:12, David Smith  wrote:
> And would their first choice be Ubuntu?
>

Linux-based games console with an Ubuntu TV front-end. Probably not an
NVidia graphics chip. :D

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Shell accounts

[J Fernyhough]

On 25 July 2012 19:21, Joe Alam  wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give SDF.org a try, it looks like it should
> have everything I need.
>
> Unfortunately BitFolk's VPS is a little out of my price range.
>
> The reason I wanted a hosted shell account instead of just using my own
> Linux machine is so that I can have access to a few scripts from anywhere,
> and can have access to some of them without having to leave me own computer
> running.
>

If you find you need a cheap VPS then www.lowendbox.com is worth
checking out. Plenty of VPS available for around $20 a year and they
are good enough for experimentation - I wouldn't rely on any of them
for hosting anything important though. :)

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] embarrassing mouse issue

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 June 2012 14:31, J Fernyhough  wrote:
> On 17 June 2012 14:15, pete smout  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> After years of trying to persuade my step dad to use ubuntu instead of
>> windows he has finally agreed to let me install it alongside win7!
>>
>> But his mouse is not recognised on the live cd.
>>
>> the machine is a sony viao VGC-LV1S pc (all in the screen) with an internal
>> sensor for a wireless keyboard and mouse (not USB) and the keyboard works
>> fine but not the mouse.
>>
>> from the live cd I have tried lsusb to see if the mouse appears but it does
>> not (nor does the keyboard which is what makes me think it isn't USB)
>>
>> After that I am out of ideas any suggestions?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pete
>>
>
> Without doing any research my first thought is: is bluetooth turned
> on? I have a suspicion the keyboard and mouse may well be bluetooth
> peripherals. If so you will also have to set them up (pair them) as
> devices within Ubuntu.
>
> Jonathon

Ignore everything about bluetooth. It's not that.

Have you tried to re-pair the keyboard and mouse by using the CONNECT
button on the back of the machine and on each device? I take it that
the mouse is turned on and the batteries aren't dead?

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] embarrassing mouse issue

[J Fernyhough]

On 17 June 2012 14:15, pete smout  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After years of trying to persuade my step dad to use ubuntu instead of
> windows he has finally agreed to let me install it alongside win7!
>
> But his mouse is not recognised on the live cd.
>
> the machine is a sony viao VGC-LV1S pc (all in the screen) with an internal
> sensor for a wireless keyboard and mouse (not USB) and the keyboard works
> fine but not the mouse.
>
> from the live cd I have tried lsusb to see if the mouse appears but it does
> not (nor does the keyboard which is what makes me think it isn't USB)
>
> After that I am out of ideas any suggestions?
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>

Without doing any research my first thought is: is bluetooth turned
on? I have a suspicion the keyboard and mouse may well be bluetooth
peripherals. If so you will also have to set them up (pair them) as
devices within Ubuntu.

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying stuff about Ubuntu Unity

[J Fernyhough]

On 1 May 2012 14:33, Grant Phillips-Sewell  wrote:
> Why should an application that isn't provided by Ubuntu, or even in the
> repositories, be required to create a .desktop file?

It's not that it should - it's that you should be able to switch to
that task using the Unity launcher.

On 1 May 2012 14:12, Alan Lord (News)  wrote:
> Anyone got any workarounds/suggestions for this scenario?

Does Alt-Tab work to select the minimised window? Does the window show
up in Expo (Super-W)?

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 LTS release?

[J Fernyhough]

On 2 March 2012 12:11, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:
> Does anyone have any info on what sort of date we are looking at for this?
> 
>

12 = 2012
04 = April

Normally the 26th (and it is! Yay!).

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Heres an idea (Was "Unity is not working")

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 February 2012 16:51, David Smith  wrote:
> I have to agree with most being said about Unity and how it is such a jump
> from what we were used to.  I understand the evolution of software, from one
> version to the next, but this felt like we were being forced to grow wings
> and webbed feet at the same time (no longer Linux for human beings).
>
>
>
> What I haven’t noticed is anyone saying that they’ve jumped to  Kubuntu (to
> stay faithful to *buntu).  I’ve had a go, and I’m pretty impressed.  It is
> as easy to find stuff as Ubuntu 10.10 (which I have been using on my netbook
> and am loathe to stop when support is discontinued).
>
--snip--
>
> Thoughts?
>

I posted this almost a year ago:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1728976

Kubuntu does an even better job now as it has a launcher that works
almost exactly like the Unity one.

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Alt - tab misbehaving

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 February 2012 15:39, javadayaz  wrote:
> so is this a hardware problem..?
> what can i do to fix this?
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:14 PM, J Fernyhough 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 22 February 2012 13:46, javadayaz  wrote:
>> > Recently ive found my system is crashing or unresponsive when i press
>> > Alt
>> > tab to switch between programs..?
>> >
>> > Has anyone else seen this?
>> >
>>
>> I've seen something similar(?) previously with fglrx and mipmapping
>> enabled in the Compiz plugin settings (e.g. the static window
>> switcher); though I could move windows after an ALT-TAB any update to
>> their content wouldn't display. I'm not sure if this has been fixed
>> since I turned off all mipmapping options when I got my Studio 1749
>> (then Catalyst version somewhere in the 11s?).
>>
>> Jonathon

Well, assuming it is mipmapping (which it may well not be!) the
easiest way I know of is to install ccsm ($ sudo apt-get install
compizconfig-settings-manager), open it, click on Advanced Search,
type mipmap into the filter, then go through each plugin in turn and
make sure the Mipmap checkbox is empty.

If this doesn't fix it, try running unity --replace in a terminal and
seeing if any descriptive error messages are shown when it starts
misbehaving.

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Alt - tab misbehaving

[J Fernyhough]

On 22 February 2012 13:46, javadayaz  wrote:
> Recently ive found my system is crashing or unresponsive when i press Alt
> tab to switch between programs..?
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
>

I've seen something similar(?) previously with fglrx and mipmapping
enabled in the Compiz plugin settings (e.g. the static window
switcher); though I could move windows after an ALT-TAB any update to
their content wouldn't display. I'm not sure if this has been fixed
since I turned off all mipmapping options when I got my Studio 1749
(then Catalyst version somewhere in the 11s?).

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Compiz kicks the bucket.........

[J Fernyhough]

On 7 February 2012 08:58, scoundrel50a  wrote:
> Anybody seen this, will it be coming to Ubuntu soon?
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/rip-compiz/3402?tag=nl.e011
>

Compiz isn't dead: https://code.launchpad.net/compiz-core

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Exchange in Thunderbird

[J Fernyhough]

On Dec 25, 2011 1:34 AM, "John Oliver"  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows of any way to connect to a corporate
Microsoft Exchange server via Thunderbird? This would help me greatly in my
work, as having to use OWA (Light, 2007), which is one of the least
intuitive pieces of software released by Microsoft, is a bit of a pain for
me, as reading emails becomes a chore, and I can only send them back out in
plain text format, which isn't especially fabulous for me.
>
> In Ubuntu 11.04 and before it, when Evolution was default, built-in
Exchange support was on offer, and I used it. If anyone does know a way to
access Exchange through Thunderbird, I would be grateful if you could
assist me.
>
> Regards,
> John Oliver

I use Davmail. It works very well for the basics, though I've not got it
working correctly (yet) with Calendar and LDAP.

You can run it locally or on a server (I have it running on a VPS) so phone
or Gmail can periodically get mail.

Jonathon.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] help needed testing upstream kernel

[J Fernyhough]

Can you use the mainline build?

(on mobile or I'd look up the URL)
On Nov 7, 2011 10:07 PM, "alan c"  wrote:

> Can somebody please offer some off list support to guide me through
> 'testing using the upstream kernel'?
> I found a bug re a particular webcam, which is being diagnosed, and I
> have been asked if I can test using the upstream kernel. There are
> some guidance notes, but I need help to get my head round it.
> I am willing to try, but not having done anything similar I want to
> avoid wasting lots of time or getting an invalid result.
> Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Providers

[J Fernyhough]

On 26 July 2011 21:10, Jacob Mansfield  wrote:
> I, and quite a few clients of mine, have red torch internet. there site is
> currently down for core-updates (they-re going to oniric) but if you give
> them a call on 0845 519 1001 (press sales) and ask them about it, they
> usually have some great deals/offers

I wasn't sure whether to comment on this, but hey. Google can't find
Red Torch Internet at all, and that phone number is the same as for
ITVET who have a website that has as little information as possible on
it. The fact that they are moving to Oneiric (I presume?) while it is
still in Alpha 2 seems an exceptionally odd thing to do, and the fact
that an ISP allows its website to go down at all means they're not
likely a company I would trust with my internet access.

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Providers

[J Fernyhough]

On 26 July 2011 20:07, Ted Wager  wrote:
> Anyone tell me if it is possible for an isp  to cut down
> the download rate for one of it's clients ?
> --
> Regards
>  Ted Wager

Perfectly possible. Indeed, a number of the main consumer providers
(TalkTalk, Plusnet etc.) have fairly aggressive throttling and traffic
shaping policies.

There are a number of ISPs who are, on the other hand, perfectly
transparent; I have particular love for AAISP.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+?

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2011 15:03, Bea Groves  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> If I smile sweetly and flutter my eyelashes d'you think I could have one
> too?
>

I suppose so. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+?

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2011 14:26, Bob Giles  wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have yet to convince anybody to send an invite to Google+! Please can
> somebody put me out of my misery!
>
> TIA.
>
> Bob

Sent.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2011 14:24, Ken Adams  wrote:
> I too am looking for a kind person to pass an invite over to me please.
>
> Rgds Ken

Done.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+?

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2011 13:59, SuperEngineer  wrote:
> Anyone fancy chucking a G+ invite in this direction [pretty please].
>
> Cheers,
> Bill B. [suprengr]
>

Sent.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2011 11:32, Steve Flynn  wrote:
>>
>> You're going to get a flood of people asking for invites now. ;)
>>
>> (me included! :D )
>>
>
> Done. Email inbound
>
>>
>> Apparently the method of starting a circle and adding people via email
>> works when inviting doesn't.
>>
>
> I suspect you could be correct there. I needed to add you to a circle, then
> view your profile, and then "Send and Invite".
>

Thank you muchly. I feel my geek needs sated. :)

On 10 July 2011 11:41, Andrew Savin  wrote:
> Any chance of an invite?
>
> Andrew

Sending...

Jonathon

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 July 2011 11:20, Steve Flynn  wrote:
>
> Strange, I was invited on Friday evening - straight in.
> Since then I've invited 4 others - they are all straight in too, as they are
> all now signed up.
> Sent you an invite anyway Jason - ignore it if you already have one.
>
>>

You're going to get a flood of people asking for invites now. ;)

(me included! :D )

Apparently the method of starting a circle and adding people via email
works when inviting doesn't.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Adding storage two a Ubuntu server?

[J Fernyhough]

On 8 July 2011 12:48, Alexander Birchall  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I find that a Ubuntu server (Release 11.04(natty) I inherited has available
> 60 GB of unused space on the hard disk.  I would like to expand the existing
> 40 GB available to the server to incorporate this extra 60 GB, but I have so
> far been unable to do it.
>

1) To expand:
Use gparted (either on the boot CD or install it from the repo),
delete that new 60GB partition, resize an existing partition to use
the extra space, bingo.

2) To add:
Add the new partition to /etc/fstab. Use sudo blkid to get the UUID of
the new partition and base the line on your /home (or similar).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google+

[J Fernyhough]

On 7 July 2011 09:33, Dino T.  wrote:
>
> Registration is open again.
>
> Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)
>
>

Closed again (unless there's a trick to it). :(

If anyone already on would like to add me to a circle I would be
forever grateful. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Education software - purplemash anyone?

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 July 2011 08:56, Byte Soup  wrote:
> Hi All,
>

>
> Does anyone have any useful information, alternatives I could feedback
> to the school?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Mark

This is made by 2Simple software who create a lot of software for
schools - mostly reimplementation of existing software, but "simple".
For example, they do a painting product that is essentially a
simple-looking MS Paint. As such, it makes the interface a little more
approachable for younger pupils (KS1, Years 1 and 2) but quickly
becomes limiting for KS2 pupils.

This looks like a reimplementation of Powerpoint with text boxes to
type into and simple addition of images, but with built-in help
sheets. As such I'd view this as a time-saver for teachers or "extra
work" product for pupils to use with little input from the teacher.
However, I'd expect KS2 pupils to be using Powerpoint and Publisher
independently anyway (which in most schools they can, and do).

For a piece of software hitting a particular niche it's reasonably
priced. From my perspective a similar outcome can be achieved through
software they already have in combination with a little preparation.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Do I have a quad-core netbook (surely not?!)

[J Fernyhough]

On 28 June 2011 13:21, Ross Mounce  wrote:
> Dear list,

> I believe the processor is a dual core Atom
> N550 http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=50154
> Two questions: A) Why does it show as 4 processors? Are these all real? Have
> I somehow 'unlocked' another couple *hopes*?

It's a dual-core processor with hyper-threading, appearing to the OS
as having four cores. Two are real, two are "virtual". The design came
in with the P4, in essence it tries to interleave instructions so the
core is used more efficiently.

>                        B) If it's just 4 threads, can I optimally run 4
> separate instances of a 32-bit program one each on each thread/core without
> losing overall efficiency? (The program I have in mind is a bit
> technical/obscure, and no, it doesn't have a 64-bit version)

You shouldn't lose any efficiency - otherwise Intel wouldn't have
added it. :) It basically tricks the OS into doing basic
multithreading so the program doesn't have to.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

[J Fernyhough]

On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Miller  wrote:
>
> Erm, this is a SCHOOL!

Sparta?

>
> If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher

Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't
have IT teachers, they have class teachers (who might have a
specialism, normally Early Years, occasionally in IT).

> then he/she could
> presumably create an appliocation allowing the admin staff to enter the data
> in a generic form and it to then be rendered both in HTML and PDF format.
>
> Surely?!?!

But why? PDF works fine for most people, without factoring in the
effort required and the fact that teachers generally don't have time
to mess around writing applications (even if they could).

>
> And if they put their minds to it Westfield School could ring up Preston
> school and say "fancy our app?" and work together... might even get Yeovil
> College to chip in...
>

It's a good idea, but someone needs to be able to do it.

> Surely SCHOOL websites should "showcase" the calibre of the teaching - not
> send kids out into the world joking about "how naff" their school site is?
>
> Sean
>

There aren't many who can - and as an OSS community instead of
bitching about it why not make it happen? Approach schools with
applications and expertise and get the websites sorted out? This was
already raised in another discussion about BBC Click - and this is
another service the LOCO could provide.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

[J Fernyhough]

On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller  wrote:
>
> No, that is not the point at all... schools would not take on somebody to be
> their secretary who had no concept of what a word processor was, or could
> not use a spreadsheet... they are meant to be educational establishments...
> are you REALLY saying that the quality of staff at our schools could not
> grasp writing something like this :-
>

>
> Possibly but it seems rather pathetic that we're trusting the future of
> our kids to people who don't appear to even be able to grasp something as
> basic as HTML.
>
> Sean
>

I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not
teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary
schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do
pretty much everything (and quite often they only work part time).
Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out
letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the
school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't
think about people with technological interest, and they certainly
aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML
format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence,
save as a PDF, done.

Secondary schools tend to be in a better position as they might employ
staff specifically to look after website and VLE (or as part of IT
support) - but again, they won't be the one writing the newsletter and
they will simply be asked to post it on the website.

Blaming the education system in this instance is, in my opinion,
missing the point; look at the majority of car manufacturer websites
that you can't even view without extra plugins! Having an accessible
website is not the primary function of a school, however desirable it
might be.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

[J Fernyhough]

On 8 June 2011 11:00, Jon Reynolds  wrote:
> My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local
> computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs.
>

> Just maddened me a bit because he was willing to try free software... just
> didn't have enough willingness to learn a little bit more.
>
> Ho hum.
>

I reformatted my parents' laptops, made Ubuntu the single OS on one,
and made it the default boot in a dual-boot with Windows on the other
(they needed software that wouldn't run under WINE). They had no
option but to learn how to use it.

I feel I should throw in a "muahaha!"

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 June 2011 21:07, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> Maybe Ubuntu-UK would like to propose 'adopt a school / college' - It would
> certainly get the LoCo about 2,000,000 brownie points for 'all the good
> things we do' for re-election of the UK LoCo to remain official?
> just a thought...
> Regards,
> Phill.

Oo, now I like this idea. I'm quite happy to be a point of contact for
local schools, run training sessions etc., and if there's enough
interest the LoCo might even be able to influence educational policy!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click

[J Fernyhough]

I agree with much of what you say - I'm going to respond inline for
the discussion.

On 6 June 2011 18:42, Avi Greenbury  wrote:
> J Fernyhough wrote:
>
>> Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of
>> knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills
>
> This is precisely what's *wanted* in order that IT teachers can teach
> IT. At the moment, the IT taught in school is an introduction to using
> computers in the other subjects - processing statistics in a
> spreadsheet, writing essays in a word processor, editing images, that
> sort of thing.
>
> What needs to happen before IT can possibly be expected to start
> teaching IT is for these basic skills to be taught in the same places
> as the non-computer-related basic skills. Word processors should be
> covered in English lessons, spreadsheets in maths or a science, image
> processing in art, search engines in history and that sort of thing.
>

Yes, and yes. And in many instances this is exactly what happens, and
exactly why a school might not value ICT as a discrete subject. If the
skills are being taught cross-curricular, then why do we need IT
lessons and IT teachers? If IT teachers are teaching what's being
taught by other staff, why do they need specific skills?

However, for this to happen what would be required is an increase in
basic IT skills of all teachers, and that would require a change in
their mindset.

I've read a lot about project-based (or thematic) learning, especially
in charter schools in California and New York. This has promise, but
getting past the current teaching mindset is nigh-on impossible.

> The problem here is that the curriculum is not really about anything in
> particular except being a curriculum. We can't work out whether school
> is about learning for learning's sake, preparing students for work,
> preparing students for life in general or something else entirely. It
> still feels heavily geared towards staffing the governance of
> colonies...
>
> A larger problem is that a lack of understanding of computers is a
> complete non-issue. Many people genuinely believe it is more important
> to know the date of VE day than what a firewall does.
>

Agreed. It's a bit pants.

>> When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it
>> being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use
>> Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort
>> of programming?
>
> Why should an IT teacher be teaching art anyway?
>

I would respond that ICT is a convergence subject. It's not just about
computers and how they work. Why teach about podcasting
(Music/Media/English), logo design (Graphics, Art) or animation (Art,
Drama), or website design (Media, Graphics), or spreadsheet formulae
(Maths, Business/Economics), or data analysis (Maths, Science), or...

The point of the image editing was faked photos (think Iran missile
launch photo from a few months back). Again, though, this is about
information bias and validity - and this again could be taught in
pretty much every other subject.

>> Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer
>> works (any more than they care how a car works)
>
> I suspect they're not overly bothered about trigonometry or the
> differences between plant cells and animal cells. The point of a
> curriculum isn't to be interesting.
>

No, but it helps, and it should normally provide some context. It
helps most, though, when the teacher is interested in the curriculum
(I should highlight that this is possibly the most important thing in
teaching).

>> Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff
>> is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it.
>
> This is untrue in many fields that aren't IT. We seem to manage to
> provide children with science and maths and $difficultSubject teachers

While I accept your point, there's a shortage of Maths and Science
teachers. Recruitment of Maths teachers is incredibly difficult, e.g.
school having to offer extra incentives.

> The problem is that the IT curriculum is more about teaching kids how
> to do other subjects with computers than it is about computers.
>

To teach about computers would require teachers who know about and are
interested in computers - but then again, what is "computers"?

> It's roughly akin to using English literature lessons to teach
> students the meanings of their History course texts.

That's a cross-curricular approach, and what you were after in the
first paragraph. ;)

>
> --
> Avi.
>

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 June 2011 17:57, Paul Tansom  wrote:
> I don't know how many people watch Click on the BBC News channel, but I 
> thought
> I'd note that they had a piece on the Raspberry Pi on the last one (over the
> weekend), with a mention of Ubuntu as part of a piece on the lack of decent IT
> education in schools and the need to do it better - i.e. programming and more
> in depth knowledge rather than just how to use MS Office.
>
> It is available online at http://bbc.co.uk/click and for the moment is the top
> item.
>

Great sentiment, never going to happen.

Firstly, the vast majority of teachers don't have the skills of
knowledge to be able to teach anything other than office skills - and
even then most can't even do that properly! For example, you'll be
hard pressed to find an ICT teacher who has a science, engineering or
computing background - most are business or management, or even PE.
When one particular example won't touch on image editing (despite it
being in the scheme of work) because they'd have to learn how to use
Photoshop Elements what hope is there of getting them to do any sort
of programming?

Secondly, the majority of children don't care about how a computer
works (any more than they care how a car works) - they just want to
use it. Granted, there are always some who do, and there are always
extra-curricular clubs and GCSE and A-level Computing for them.
However, the same children who are interested in how a computer works
also tend to be those who take Maths and Sciences at A-level;
Computing doesn't have the same appeal.

Essentially, it comes down to the fact that teaching difficult stuff
is difficult, and most teachers aren't up to it. To teach it in an
interesting and engaging way is difficult, and to keep up with the
pace of change relies on them having an interest in the topic, and
again, most don't. The number of teachers who can do it, and are
interested in it, are outnumbered and out-gunned.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

[J Fernyhough]

On 16 May 2011 15:26, Jon Farmer  wrote:
> Anyway to get my scrollbars back?
>

Yes. Remove (or purge, depending on preference ;) overlay-scrollbar, e.g.

$ sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar

Log out and in, all should be chunky.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] End of Skype on Linux?

[J Fernyhough]

On 10 May 2011 15:08, Mike Paglia  wrote:
> I don't believe at all that this is the end of the linux client!

Does this mean MS will be making software for Linux? Does this mean
Linus wins? What does this mean for Linux??!eleven

“If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won.” -
Linus Torvalds

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity and Gnome 3

[J Fernyhough]

On 6 May 2011 09:42, Tony Arnold  wrote:
> I'm wondering why Ubuntu decided to side-line Gnome 3 in favour of
> Unity? And does this mean Ubuntu may never support Gnome 3?
>
> How are such decisions made and is it documented anywhere?
>
> Personally I'd like to make my own choice about the user interface I use.
>
> Regards,
> Tony.

My reckoning (with no basis in fact or writing) is that it's much the
same as the decision to develop xsplash rather than go with plymouth;
with GNOME3 being added to oneiric we'll likely see another change of
direction. After all, Unity is essentially gnome-shell with a global
menu (oh, and a visible system tray, which is useful).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Will kernel problems in Maverick mean i have kernel problems in Natty?

[J Fernyhough]

On 28 April 2011 11:57, James Morrissey  wrote:
> Thanks for this but there are some things i don't quite understand.
>
> 1. Does this mean that i can add the natty kernel to my GRUB screen
> and run Maverick off it?

Yes.

>
> If so:
>
> 2. (Because i don't understand the nomenclature) is the last Natty
> kernel on that list (v2.6.39-rc4-natty/), the closest to the one that
> will be released today?
>

2.6.38.4 is the best to try at the moment; the RC versions are release
candidates of the next version. However, rc5 apparently fixes some
performance regressions. It should be possible to install
2.6.39-rc5-onieric; the worst you lose is the bandwidth and time to
install and uninstall (unless it blows up your system).

> If so:
>
> 3. What do i do with the file. Do i need to download the headers or
> the image (or both) and what do i do to them to get them into the GRUB
> screen.
>

Download the three debs appropriate to your architecture (i386 for
32-bit, amd64 for 64-bit. To find out write uname -a in a terminal),
e.g. for 32-bit:

linux-headers-2.6.38-02063804-generic_2.6.38-02063804.201104221009_i386.deb
linux-headers-2.6.38-02063804_2.6.38-02063804.201104221009_all.deb
linux-image-2.6.38-02063804-generic_2.6.38-02063804.201104221009_i386.deb

Save them into the same directory, ideally with nothing else in it,
then in a terminal cd to that directory and install, e.g.:

$ cd download/kernel
$ sudo dpkg -i *,.deb

This will install the kernel. Keep in mind that it's likely that any
proprietary graphics drivers (probably nvidia, almost definitely
fglrx) will break and not install correctly unless you have the x-swat
ppa added to your software sources.

> Sorry if the answers to these questions seem obvious, but i don't know
> anything about kernels.
>
> Thanks,
>
> james.

Hope this helps!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Will kernel problems in Maverick mean i have kernel problems in Natty?

[J Fernyhough]

On 28 April 2011 09:46, James Morrissey  wrote:
> Hi all,
>

>
> If anyone can help me out on this, or point me to a site with relevant
> information, that would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>

One way would be to try the Natty mainline kernel builds on Maverick
and find out!

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/

This also has an archive of older kernel versions.

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