Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Mark Einon
On 5 February 2013 08:58, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 23:03, Mark Einon wrote:


 Ok. So the device doesn't have a driver loaded, so it is a kernel
 issue... It knows it's a ralink device (PCI vendor ID 0x1814) but
 doesn't know what the device ID is. Can you please run, to find out
 what this ID is:

 $ lspci --nn  ~/pcilist.txt

 and copy the pcilist.txt to the email?

 rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
 Module  Size  Used by
 rt3562sta 995054  0


 Hmm, this looks to be part of the Ralink vendor driver, which
 shouldn't be here if we're trying to use the native kernel one. Is it
 possible to remove this? ('sudo rmmod rt3562sta').

 Cheers,

 Mark


 Hi, Mark. Thanks for the thoughts.
 ~/pcilist.text: No such file or directory

Ah, ok. Not sure what when on there - perhaps you could just try
'lspci --nn' and copy the printout the way you know works?

The PCI device ID we need from this is important - as each driver has
a table of such device IDs that it can support. If the device ID isn't
listed in any of the drivers you are trying to blindly install, they
will not work - It might just be that Compaq has changed the device ID
themselves and it would just be a case of adding the device ID to the
relevant driver, or I can grep the kernel code for your particular
device ID to see which driver should be handling it. The device ID
should also help to tell us the exact chip model that we are dealing
with.

Cheers,

Mark


 rt3562sta is the driver I tried to install myself, following the
 instructions of jackoneill87 here:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267

 This still seems to be the best online set of instructions for the problem,
 and I still think it has identified the correct driver for the part. But I
 can uninstall easily enough if you want. I still have the package sitting
 in my Home folder. It glories in the full name of:
 DPO_RT3562_3592_3062_LinuxSTA_V2.4.1.1_20101217

 I did not get it from Ralink themselves, since as I said their downloads
 site seems to have completely vanished. I got it from here:
 http://download.driverguide.com/driver/RT3060+RT3062+RT3562+RT3592/Ralink/d1803834.html

 As far as I can recall, I managed to extract it with the Archive Extractor,
 on the second or third attempt. Then I tried to install it, but without
 success, in that the Network Controller remained Unclaimed, and no wireless
 options appeared in the system tray when clicking the fan icon.

 cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 05/02/13 09:48, Mark Einon wrote:

On 5 February 2013 08:58, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, Mark. Thanks for the thoughts.
~/pcilist.text: No such file or directory


Ah, ok. Not sure what when on there - perhaps you could just try
'lspci --nn' and copy the printout the way you know works?

The PCI device ID we need from this is important - as each driver has
a table of such device IDs that it can support. If the device ID isn't
listed in any of the drivers you are trying to blindly install, they
will not work - It might just be that Compaq has changed the device ID
themselves and it would just be a case of adding the device ID to the
relevant driver, or I can grep the kernel code for your particular
device ID to see which driver should be handling it. The device ID
should also help to tell us the exact chip model that we are dealing
with.


I think the double dash in --nn is wrong, should be a single dash.

lspci --nn
lspci: invalid option -- '-'
Usage: lspci [switches]

There follows a long list of possible instructions, all using a single
dash. I'm reluctant to try all of these at random, but the ones I have 
tried which have given any new information are these (giving relevant 
lines of response only). I'll try other possibilities from the list of 
lspci commands if you like.


Display options:
-k show kernel drivers handling each device
lspci -k
04.00.0 Network controller:Ralink Corp. RT3290
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 18ec

Resolving of device ID's to names:
-n Show numeric ID's
lspci -n
04.00.0 0280: 1814:3290

-nn Show both textual and numeric ID's (names and numbers)
lspci -nn
04.00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT3290
Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3290]

-q Query the PCI database for unknown ID's via DNS
lspci -q
04.00.0 Network controller:Ralink Corp. RT3290
Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
-qq As above, but re-query locally cached entries
-Q Query the PCI ID database for all ID's via DNS

By the way, do you think I should uninstall rt3562sta? You gave the 
instruction for doing so in a previous message.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Mark Einon
On 5 February 2013 10:51, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think the double dash in --nn is wrong, should be a single dash.

Yep, sorry about that - my bad.

 -nn Show both textual and numeric ID's (names and numbers)
 lspci -nn
 04.00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT3290
 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3290]

 By the way, do you think I should uninstall rt3562sta? You gave the
 instruction for doing so in a previous message.

This is good, thanks. It appears that the chip you have is quite new,
and is only supported for newer kernels - for some reason I had it in
my head that the laptop was quite old. As you have a 2.5.0 kernel, I
assume you're on 12.04 - so I think this may help, short of compiling
a newer kernel:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690

or, looks like the same post:

http://droid-hive.com/index.php?/topic/1272-how-to-install-ralink-rt3290-wireless-drivers-on-ubuntu-1204/

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 05/02/13 11:32, Mark Einon wrote:

It appears that the chip you have is quite new,
and is only supported for newer kernels - for some reason I had it in
my head that the laptop was quite old. As you have a 2.5.0 kernel, I
assume you're on 12.04 - so I think this may help, short of compiling
a newer kernel:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690

or, looks like the same post:

http://droid-hive.com/index.php?/topic/1272-how-to-install-ralink-rt3290-wireless-drivers-on-ubuntu-1204/

Cheers,

Mark



No, the machine is running 12.10, but I downgraded the kernel to 
3.5.0-22 because I broke 3.5.0-23's Ethernet interface somehow with my 
tinkering. So, before proceeding with your suggestion, I decided to 
reinstall 3.5.0-23 and see if it worked. And when I restarted with 
3.5.0-23, I found I'd lost the Ethernet connection again. Really, I need 
to fix that first.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 05/02/13 11:55, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


No, the machine is running 12.10, but I downgraded the kernel to
3.5.0-22 because I broke 3.5.0-23's Ethernet interface somehow with my
tinkering. So, before proceeding with your suggestion, I decided to
reinstall 3.5.0-23 and see if it worked. And when I restarted with
3.5.0-23, I found I'd lost the Ethernet connection again. Really, I need
to fix that first.


I've given the machine a complete 12.10 reinstall from the USB stick, so 
as to start again without the ill effects of whatever I did previously, 
fixing which could have gone on forever. In a minute I shall be able to 
see what I've got and what I've not.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Mark Einon
On 5 February 2013 13:36, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/02/13 12:49, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


 I've given the machine a complete 12.10 reinstall from the USB stick, so
 as to start again without the ill effects of whatever I did previously,
 fixing which could have gone on forever. In a minute I shall be able to
 see what I've got and what I've not.


 OK, I'm back where I started, after a few hiccups and restarts. Wireless
 network controller unclaimed. But at least I've got a nice clean machine.
 Now what was that command again that gave the mammoth, comprehensive
 read-out you find so informative?

Hi Rowan,

Your new kernel version would be good also, so:

$ uname -a

And then to get the state of the network devices:

$ sudo lshw -C network

Cheers,

Mark



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Rowan Berkeley

Hi Mark,

Here we are. I can see what I did wrong: I screwed up r8169, which is 
the Ethernet driver, thinking it was maybe a rival wireless driver. 
Definitely my bad.


uname -a
linuc rowan-Compaq 3.5.0-23-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP [date  time]

sudo lshw -C network
*-network
description: Ethernet interface
product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@:03:00.0
logical name: eth0
version: 05
serial: b4:b5:2f:38:ea:21
size: 100Mbit/s
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master Cap_list ethernet 
physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 
driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex-full firmware-rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw 
ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
resources: irq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) memory:7f004000-7f004fff memory 
7f00-7f003fff

*-network UNCLAIMED
description: Network controller
product: Ralink Corp.
vendor: Ralink Corp.
Physical id: 0
bus info: pci@.04.00.0
version: 00
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
configuration: latency=0
resources: memory:911-9011

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Mark Einon
On 5 February 2013 17:47, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Mark,

 Here we are. I can see what I did wrong: I screwed up r8169, which is the
 Ethernet driver, thinking it was maybe a rival wireless driver. Definitely
 my bad.

 uname -a
 linuc rowan-Compaq 3.5.0-23-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP [date  time]

 sudo lshw -C network

 *-network
 description: Ethernet interface
 product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
 vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 physical id: 0

 bus info: pci@:03:00.0
 logical name: eth0
 version: 05
 serial: b4:b5:2f:38:ea:21
 size: 100Mbit/s
 width: 64 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master Cap_list ethernet
 physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
 configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169
 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex-full firmware-rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
 ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s

 resources: irq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) memory:7f004000-7f004fff memory
 7f00-7f003fff
 *-network UNCLAIMED
 description: Network controller
 product: Ralink Corp.
 vendor: Ralink Corp.
 Physical id: 0
 bus info: pci@.04.00.0

 version: 00
 width: 32 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
 configuration: latency=0
 resources: memory:911-9011

Ok, looks like the same issue, in that the kernel isn't quite recent
enough to support this device.

I'd suggest giving the instructions in the link I posted earlier a go.
It may need to be patched to work, if so, It's not a biggie - let me
know if it doesn't compile:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690

 or, looks like the same post:

 http://droid-hive.com/index.php?/topic/1272-how-to-install-ralink-rt3290-wireless-drivers-on-ubuntu-1204/

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 05/02/13 19:29, Mark Einon wrote:

Ok, looks like the same issue, in that the kernel isn't quite recent
enough to support this device.

I'd suggest giving the instructions in the link I posted earlier a go.
It may need to be patched to work, if so, It's not a biggie - let me
know if it doesn't compile:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690



Cheers,

Mark



It worked! Now, we need some way of directing people away from all the 
erroneous Ubuntu Forums pages that also say [SOLVED] but don't work, 
like the one I followed, which was:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267

Better still, we need those nice peoples at Canonical to build this 
stuff into the system, at least as a written package of instructions 
which will appear at the necessary point in the set-up process, if not 
as a fully automated wizard.


Thank you very much for your patient help, Mark, and apologies to 
everyone else who has had to put up with all this.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-05 Thread Mark Einon
On 5 February 2013 20:15, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

 It worked!

Yay! \o/

Now, we need some way of directing people away from all the
 erroneous Ubuntu Forums pages that also say [SOLVED] but don't work, like
 the one I followed, which was:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1850267

Actually, this is for a different device to yours - you have a RT3290
(as we found out), that is for a RT3062.


 Better still, we need those nice peoples at Canonical to build this stuff
 into the system, at least as a written package of instructions which will
 appear at the necessary point in the set-up process, if not as a fully
 automated wizard.

It looks like something is already in the pipeline -
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049466


 Thank you very much for your patient help, Mark, and apologies to everyone
 else who has had to put up with all this.

You're welcome.

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Alan Pope

On 04/02/13 04:03, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my
converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's
website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot
use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the
package.



It's probably just a self extracting zip file. You can find out what it 
is with the file command:-


file thing.exe

You'll probably be able to unpack it with unzip:-

unzip thing.exe

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Law
On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 08:38, Alan Pope wrote:

 On 04/02/13 04:03, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

 In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my
 converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's
 website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot
 use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the
 package.


 It's probably just a self extracting zip file. You can find out what it is
 with the file command:-

 file thing.exe

 You'll probably be able to unpack it with unzip:-

 unzip thing.exe

 Cheers,

 I'm glad I have several machines, so the one I'm writing on (a Lenovo) is
 not the one I'm talking about (the Compaq). I had to revert the latter to
 3.5.0.22, because on startup this morning in 3.5.0.23, its Ethernet
 interface was disabled and unclaimed. Evidently all my tinkering with
 drivers has knocked it about a bit. I uninstalled 3.5.0.23 via Synaptic.
 Hopefully when the machine updates to 3.5.0.23 again, the problem will not
 recur. Now, regarding your suggestions, unfortunately, it seems that you can
 have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
 keep telling you no such file or package. This rather stops me in my
 tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that you can
have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
keep telling you no such file or package. This rather stops me in my
tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin



Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on 
the desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Law
On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

 On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately, it seems that you can
 have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
 keep telling you no such file or package. This rather stops me in my
 tracks.

 Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
 folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
 the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

 Colin


 Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on the
 desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.

Either you should have done
cd Desktop
or in the command specified Desktop/filename

Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
in a command type
the_command Destabfirst chars of filenametab

Colin




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 12:07, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that you can
have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
keep telling you no such file or package. This rather stops me in my
tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin


Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on the
desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.

Either you should have done
cd Desktop
or in the command specified Desktop/filename

Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
in a command type
the_command Destabfirst chars of filenametab

Colin
Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's response 
to it, there's nothing to unzip. It's just a single, integrated MS-DOS 
executable, very nice for Windows people but useless for Ubuntu people 
unless they decide to install WINE, which is not recommended just for 
one pesky Windows program. So, the situation is, Hewlett Packard's own 
solution for this driver problem not only is useless to me, but it 
doesn't even tell me what the standard name of the driver in the package 
is, so that I can find it elsewhere. I think I know what it is, from 
people at Ubuntu Forums, but when I follow the standard procedure for 
installing the one they recommend, I get stuck somehow. And indeed it's 
a waste of other mail list readers' time me going on about this here, 
when I could go to Ubuntu Forums and ask for help there, so I shall do 
that. Thanks anyway to all who tried...


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Kris Douglas
What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file yo
something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.
On 4 Feb 2013 12:36, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 04/02/13 12:07, Colin Law wrote:

 On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

 On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Unfortunately, it seems that you can
 have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal
 will
 keep telling you no such file or package. This rather stops me in my
 tracks.

 Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
 folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
 the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

 Colin

  Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on
 the
 desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.

 Either you should have done
 cd Desktop
 or in the command specified Desktop/filename

 Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
 typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
 filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
 matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
 files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
 in a command type
 the_command Destabfirst chars of filenametab

 Colin

 Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's response
 to it, there's nothing to unzip. It's just a single, integrated MS-DOS
 executable, very nice for Windows people but useless for Ubuntu people
 unless they decide to install WINE, which is not recommended just for one
 pesky Windows program. So, the situation is, Hewlett Packard's own solution
 for this driver problem not only is useless to me, but it doesn't even tell
 me what the standard name of the driver in the package is, so that I can
 find it elsewhere. I think I know what it is, from people at Ubuntu Forums,
 but when I follow the standard procedure for installing the one they
 recommend, I get stuck somehow. And indeed it's a waste of other mail list
 readers' time me going on about this here, when I could go to Ubuntu Forums
 and ask for help there, so I shall do that. Thanks anyway to all who
 tried...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:


What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file 
yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.


Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's 
response to it, there's nothing to unzip.


I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it, 
the machine renamed it sp58586.exe.ZIP and looked at it and said gar 
nicht, or words to that effect.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Elfy

On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:


What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file 
yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer


You should be able to right click the thing and open with option should 
be archive manager
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Bruno Girin
On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
 On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:

 What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file
 yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.

 Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's
 response to it, there's nothing to unzip.

 I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
 the machine renamed it sp58586.exe.ZIP and looked at it and said
 gar nicht, or words to that effect.



That looks like it tried to zip it rather than unzip it. Zip and unzip
sometimes try to be slightly too clever. Have you tried to humour the
computer and actually rename the file sp58586.zip before running unzip
on it?

Bruno


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Alan Pope

On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
the machine renamed it sp58586.exe.ZIP and looked at it and said gar
nicht, or words to that effect.



I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not a 
zip or self-extracting zip as first hoped.


If you run it under WINE it craps out part way through, however not 
before unpacking it in ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586


I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for the 
installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it with 
unshield and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...


unshield x data1.cab

The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for ndiswrapper?

alan@deep-thought:~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP58586/RT2860_Driver_XP2k$ ls -l
total 3504
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   14119 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dat
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  238944 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dll
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   31420 Feb  4 13:38 rt2860.cat
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  564788 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.inf
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 2687552 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.sys

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 13:41, Alan Pope wrote:
 On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
 I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
 the machine renamed it sp58586.exe.ZIP and looked at it and said 
 gar nicht, or words to that effect.


 I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not 
 a zip or self-extracting zip as first hoped. If you run it under WINE 
 it craps out part way through, however not before unpacking it in

 ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586

 I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for 
the installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it 
with unshield and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...


 unshield x data1.cab

 The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for 
ndiswrapper?


 alan@deep-thought:~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP58586/RT2860_Driver_XP2k$ 
ls -l

 total 3504
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   14119 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dat
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  238944 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dll
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   31420 Feb  4 13:38 rt2860.cat
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  564788 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.inf
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 2687552 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.sys

 Cheers,

 Alan

You hunted through Hewett-Packard's site for that? Amazing. Well, 
indeed, the Ubuntu Forums people found exactly the same driver in its 
raw state, elsewhere, and I have it but evidently can't install it. 
Perhaps I need some of the other files, but what I have is just the 
basic thing, which is generally referred to as rt3562sta. I installed it 
just as Paula described, but no dice. There's a very interesting set of 
instruction here which I just found:

http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2010/08/wifi-ralink-3062/

It says:
1. Go to Ralink’s Linux page and download the appropriate driver and 
firmware based on the model number.

2. Unzip the firmware
3. As root, copy rt280.bin to /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin

Now, this firmware I had no idea of. You must understand that Ralink's 
own site no longer exists, it has been merged with some other company, 
and as far as I can tell, there are no relevant drivers, with firmware 
or without, available there any more. That shouldn't be the case, and 
maybe a more expert hand could navigate into the site that has replaced 
Ralink and find them.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Einon
On 4 February 2013 13:41, Alan Pope alan.p...@canonical.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

 I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
 the machine renamed it sp58586.exe.ZIP and looked at it and said gar
 nicht, or words to that effect.


 I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not a zip
 or self-extracting zip as first hoped.

 If you run it under WINE it craps out part way through, however not before
 unpacking it in ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586

 I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for the
 installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it with
 unshield and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...

 unshield x data1.cab

 The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for ndiswrapper?

I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
- what version do you have? (run '$ uname -a' on the command line to
find out).

I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from 2.6.30.

The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu package.

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:

I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
- what version do you have? (run '$ uname -a' on the command line to
find out).

I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from 2.6.30.

The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu package.

Cheers,

Mark



The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about 
has broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have 
reverted to the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by 
default. Maybe I should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Law
On 4 February 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:

 I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
 - what version do you have? (run '$ uname -a' on the command line to
 find out).

 I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from
 2.6.30.

 The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu
 package.

 Cheers,

 Mark


 The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about has
 broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have reverted to
 the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by default. Maybe I
 should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?

I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
sudo lshw -C network
says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
that the card is really not supported.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 15:22, Colin Law wrote:


I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
sudo lshw -C network
says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
that the card is really not supported.

Colin



Yes, I remember, but now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot 
from the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. 
Don't ask me why, it just won't.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Einon
On 4 February 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:

 I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
 - what version do you have? (run '$ uname -a' on the command line to
 find out).

 I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from
 2.6.30.

 The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu
 package.

 Cheers,

 Mark


 The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about has
 broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have reverted to
 the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by default. Maybe I
 should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?

I'm suspecting this isn't a kernel or firmware issue, but one of the
Ubuntu userland/unity things going a bit awry (which I can't be much
help on, unfortunately).

linux-firmware has the firmware you need, to check run:

$ dpkg -S  /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
linux-firmware: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
$ dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep rt2860 | xargs file
/lib/firmware/rt2860.bin: data

then also run (and post the result) of:

$ lshw -C network (as Colin suggests)

and

$ lsmod

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Law
On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 15:22, Colin Law wrote:


 I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
 try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
 found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
 sudo lshw -C network
 says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
 that the card is really not supported.

 Colin


 Yes, I remember, but now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
 the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't ask
 me why, it just won't.

What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
your time otherwise.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:


Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't ask
me why, it just won't.


What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
your time otherwise.

Colin


That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the 
Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead 
of the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I 
reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into 
the Compaq. I was able to bring up a try Ubuntu without installing 
condition on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all 
the GUI settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is 
usual during new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite 
different. So, inside this try Ubuntu without installing condition, I 
checked the Network Controller using the sudo lshw -C network 
instruction, which I now know by heart. And it was still unclaimed.


There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, 
though there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Einon
On 4 February 2013 16:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:

 On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:


 Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
 the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't
 ask
 me why, it just won't.


 What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
 boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
 disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
 and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
 a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
 until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
 you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
 messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
 disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
 You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
 your time otherwise.

 Colin


 That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the
 Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead of
 the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I
 reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into the
 Compaq. I was able to bring up a try Ubuntu without installing condition
 on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all the GUI
 settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is usual during
 new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite different. So,
 inside this try Ubuntu without installing condition, I checked the Network
 Controller using the sudo lshw -C network instruction, which I now know by
 heart. And it was still unclaimed.

 There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, though
 there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button)

The command 'rfkill list' should tell you which rf kill switches are
available, and what their state is.

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Law
On 4 February 2013 16:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:

 On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:


 Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
 the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't
 ask
 me why, it just won't.


 What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
 boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
 disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
 and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
 a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
 until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
 you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
 messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
 disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
 You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
 your time otherwise.

 Colin


 That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the
 Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead of
 the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I
 reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into the
 Compaq. I was able to bring up a try Ubuntu without installing condition
 on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all the GUI
 settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is usual during
 new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite different. So,
 inside this try Ubuntu without installing condition, I checked the Network
 Controller using the sudo lshw -C network instruction, which I now know by
 heart. And it was still unclaimed.

 There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, though
 there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button).

OK, that sounds like a dead end.  Sorry for sending you off down a
dead end.  Still, at least you can boot off usb again, and have
confirmed that the wireless does not work out of the box.

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Rowan Berkeley

On 04/02/13 16:43, Mark Einon wrote:


The command 'rfkill list' should tell you which rf kill switches are
available, and what their state is.


0: hp wifi: Wireless LAN
hard blocked: no
soft blocked: no

1: hp-bluetooth: Bluetooth
hard blocked: no
soft blocked: no

Now I have the huge print-out from the terminal which was requested, 
having somehow managed to copy it from the terminal, paste it into a 
notepad file, copy that to the external hard drive, then from there to 
the Lenovo, which is what I'm using to talk to you. Here it is. I have 
suspicions about the r8169 right at the end. I think it's a rival 
wireless driver that won't run under Ubuntu but will conflict, and hence 
needs blacklisting.


rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ dpkg -S /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
linux-firmware: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep 
rt2860 |xargs file

/lib/firmware/rt2860.bin: data
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo lshw -C network
[sudo] password for rowan:
  *-network
   description: Ethernet interface
   product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
   vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:03:00.0
   logical name: eth0
   version: 05
   serial: b4:b5:2f:38:ea:21
   size: 100Mbit/s
   capacity: 100Mbit/s
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list 
ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
   configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 
driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw 
ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
   resources: irq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) memory:7f004000-7f004fff 
memory:7f00-7f003fff

  *-network UNCLAIMED
   description: Network controller
   product: Ralink corp.
   vendor: Ralink corp.
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:04:00.0
   version: 00
   width: 32 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
   configuration: latency=0
   resources: memory:9011-9011
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
bnep   18141  2
rfcomm 46620  0
bluetooth 209249  10 bnep,rfcomm
parport_pc 32689  0
ppdev  17074  0
nls_iso8859_1  12714  1
snd_hda_codec_realtek78048  1
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 32049  1
joydev 17458  0
snd_hda_intel  33492  5
snd_hda_codec 134213  3 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel

snd_hwdep  17699  1 snd_hda_codec
radeon895730  3
snd_pcm96668  3 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec

snd_seq_midi   13325  0
snd_rawmidi30513  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 14900  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq61555  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  29426  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 14498  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
ttm83596  1 radeon
uvcvideo   76750  0
hp_wmi 18049  0
videobuf2_core 32852  1 uvcvideo
sparse_keymap  13891  1 hp_wmi
videodev  120310  2 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core
kvm   414071  0
drm_kms_helper 49113  1 radeon
videobuf2_vmalloc  12861  1 uvcvideo
psmouse95595  0
drm   288721  5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
snd78921  20 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device

videobuf2_memops   13405  1 videobuf2_vmalloc
soundcore  15048  1 snd
k10temp13127  0
serio_raw  13216  0
microcode  22804  0
rt3562sta 995054  0
snd_page_alloc 18485  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
i2c_algo_bit   13414  1 radeon
i2c_piix4  13168  0
mac_hid13206  0
video  19336  0
wmi19071  1 hp_wmi
lp 17760  0
parport46346  3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
r8169  61651  0
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Einon
On 4 February 2013 17:03, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now I have the huge print-out from the terminal which was requested, having
 somehow managed to copy it from the terminal, paste it into a notepad file,
 copy that to the external hard drive, then from there to the Lenovo, which
 is what I'm using to talk to you.

 Ah, ok :) for future reference, you can add '  ~/log.txt' to the end of a 
 command to send the output to a file called log.txt.
To be really snazzy, you can use samba to share a folder on the remote
PC, mount it and add ' ~/.gvfs/remote mount/log.txt' to do it all
in one go.

 Here it is. I have suspicions about the
 r8169 right at the end. I think it's a rival wireless driver that won't run
 under Ubuntu but will conflict, and hence needs blacklisting.

Only if it is a driver for the same hardware, which it is not. The
r8169 is the driver for your Realtek RTL8101E card (NOT Ralink), so
doesn't need blacklisting.

snip
   *-network UNCLAIMED
description: Network controller
product: Ralink corp.
vendor: Ralink corp.
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@:04:00.0
version: 00
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
configuration: latency=0
resources: memory:9011-9011

Ok. So the device doesn't have a driver loaded, so it is a kernel
issue... It knows it's a ralink device (PCI vendor ID 0x1814) but
doesn't know what the device ID is. Can you please run, to find out
what this ID is:

$ lspci --nn  ~/pcilist.txt

and copy the pcilist.txt to the email?

 rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
 Module  Size  Used by
 rt3562sta 995054  0

Hmm, this looks to be part of the Ralink vendor driver, which
shouldn't be here if we're trying to use the native kernel one. Is it
possible to remove this? ('sudo rmmod rt3562sta').

Cheers,

Mark

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[ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

2013-02-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley
In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my 
converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's 
website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot 
use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the 
package.


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