Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
You are so dense and stupid beyond belief; to Hitler, you would have qualified unoppose for his specialist pysicians, if not his executioners. Who said idiots are useful for a country like Uganda? What is part yourself in the back? On second, that maybe what you need to do - part your back from yourself! You will be helped greatly by doing so. Hitler's physicians have the tools! And what is idiocracy? And you have the audacity to even ridicule Sebaggala, like a monkey laughing at his partner's tail! Why don't you just shut up like I do since I know I am not well verse in the english language, instead of attacking individuals like Sebaggala? With such level of stupidity, there must be dertermination to see your back out the window from any Uganda govt to come. You think this is a joke, continue parading your idiocy! Uganda, I am sure, need intelligent people in govt for it to be moved forward. My pen will cut you into pieces noting your idiocy that is so far unparalleled! Obviously what I write is not for you, for you understand nothing out of it; and you are better off stay well away of the way. Overlook that, and keep parading you imbecility, and you have my resolve to teach you a lesson you will never forget! Grasshoppers are crooks like you, who, having been rejected assylum in Britain, ran to canada, under a differnt name, where finally you are saved. Tell us, what were you doing in Uganda before running to Britain, and then to Canada? What were you doing? Inquiring mind would like to know! The header of this thread is MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania! Do you understand it or no? If you don't understand what I write, do yourself good and stay away from it. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii With your grasshopper mentality,you always wallow in self praise yet you are the epitome of idiocracy. Can you please shed off this infantile mentality and start reasoning like non dimwits do? I, unlike you does not need to part myself in the back because unlike you, Opportunism and political vagrancy is not my middle name nor my trade mark. Having the ability to metamorphose like grasshoppers do has made you think, you now qualify to analyze and make contributions to the political decision making process. My grasshopper kid, I want to reiterate to you that speaking in tongues alone does not in anyway qualify you for that. Continue with your wallow in your idiocracy. God bless Uganda. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: David Nyende ; The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mr. Nyende, What I will say is, when good men and women fold their hands over the problems in their country, idiots take over and pat themselves on the back, believeing they are the ones who know better even when everything they delude themselves they know are all idiotic! Ugandans must be meticulous in moving the country forward. As we speak, the country is a waste land. There are absolutely no productivities going on in the country. In Buganda where there should have been tons and tons of Bananas, coffee, various fruits, plust what nots, almost nothing is being produced. Coffee trees of the fifties sixties are still being harvested today, even when their yield have diminished greatly. No new coffee almost have been planted. There are no farming activities going on in that part of Uganda. Instead of organizing people to revitalize farming in a grand scale knowing fully farming is what sustain Uganda economy, the NRA/M govt. is busy killing off Ugandan agricultural industry. Taxes being collected are siphoned off to personal accounts; given as gifts to the Madhvanis; thrown away to the Kanathan of so called Tri-Star apparel, who ran that business to the ground, and looted tax payers money off. Mu7 has just built schools in Tanzania, yet Ugandans need education like never before. The old schools are rotting away. Nobody is paying attention to them. And some idiots still believe we have a leader to vote for anytime. Uganda govt. budget is 50% foreign donnations. In exchange to the donnations, the govt is busy debasing citizens by selling of land et ceterra. The govt does not have the manpower to produce tea and suger plantation in Busoga. Instead, they look to the Madhvanis who end up exploiting the country and wananchi, siphoning profits to their country of origin while Ugandan children wallow in abject poverty. 20 years in power and the NRA/M has nothing to show in terms of manpoer development! Where are Ugandan Doctors; Engineers; Agriculturalists
Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
usually, great minds (and the not-so-great ones too) tend to think alike. ocii, i say you sound like you ran out of mental rehab. edward, dont you have better things to do with your time than respond to ocii's nonsense? ebm ocii wrote thus on 18/07/2007 10:17: You are so dense and stupid beyond belief; to Hitler, you would have qualified unoppose for his specialist pysicians, if not his executioners. Who said idiots are useful for a country like Uganda? What is part yourself in the back? On second, that maybe what you need to do - part your back from yourself! You will be helped greatly by doing so. Hitler's physicians have the tools! And what is idiocracy? And you have the audacity to even ridicule Sebaggala, like a monkey laughing at his partner's tail! Why don't you just shut up like I do since I know I am not well verse in the english language, instead of attacking individuals like Sebaggala? With such level of stupidity, there must be dertermination to see your back out the window from any Uganda govt to come. You think this is a joke, continue parading your idiocy! Uganda, I am sure, need intelligent people in govt for it to be moved forward. My pen will cut you into pieces noting your idiocy that is so far unparalleled! Obviously what I write is not for you, for you understand nothing out of it; and you are better off stay well away of the way. Overlook that, and keep parading you imbecility, and you have my resolve to teach you a lesson you will never forget! Grasshoppers are crooks like you, who, having been rejected assylum in Britain, ran to canada, under a differnt name, where finally you are saved. Tell us, what were you doing in Uganda before running to Britain, and then to Canada? What were you doing? Inquiring mind would like to know! The header of this thread is MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania! Do you understand it or no? If you don't understand what I write, do yourself good and stay away from it. Ocii ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Brother Ocii, Mulindwa has had wars with everyone on this net who was well intentioned in their discussion of matters concerning Uganda until we all decided it was a waste of valuable time and energy. When I joined the net, I found him harassing Muniini Mulera on the Uganda North American body. The latter tried to deal with the issue in an honest and straightforward manner but Mulindwa was bent on personal attacks. Muniini thought that if he continued with that exchange, people might not see the difference between the two of them so he permanently ignored Mulindwa. The others were, at various times, Kasangwawo, Musamize, Ssenyange, Mujungu, and later, myself. All of us left because of his incoherency. You wondered about Mulindwa's origins. Here is a 2005 e-mail I have kept for such purposes. It might give you some insights. - Original Message - From: Johnson Mujungu To: Edward Mulindwa ; ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Florence Namutebi Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: Re:BESIGYE DEFENCE FUND Mr. Edward Mulindwa; You were a member of the Toronto branch of the NRM during the war in Luwero. As such you were one of those who installed the NRM government in power, having promoted its interests here in Canada during the early 80s. To refresh your memory, the Chairman of the Toronto branch between 1984 and 1986 was Mr. George Bakulu Mpagi Wamala, for whom you, Mr. Mulindwa, acted as an aide/driver of sorts. Some of the other NRM members who were your colleagues in the NRM [Toronto] included: Mr. James Mukooza, Mr. Daudi Kavuma, Mrs. Violet Kakonge, Mr. Daudi Ndiwalana, Dr. Muniini Mulera, Mr. Samwiri Rugundu, Mr. Robert Tibagwa and Mr. Benedict Ssenyonjo. After taking interest in knowing about you, I have been amazed that whenever I ask a few of them about you, and others who have lived in Toronto for over 20 years, they invariably react by simply laughing and saying Mulindwa should be left alone. What else can they say about a man who was a very passionate supporter of the NRM and a passionate critic of the Obote II regime but now pretends not to have had anything to do with the NRM? One of them says that you, Mr. Mulindwa, are good at betraying friends and denying your links with your past. For example, Mr. Wamala, who had been posted to the UN as Ambassador, died in mid-1986 before taking up his post. Not long after Mr. Wamala's death, you, Mr. Mulindwa, told a meeting held at the home of the Rehmanis in Scarborough that Bakulumpagi Wamala had received funding from some organizations such as AMREF and Bata and had spent it on personal needs. People noted that Wamala was dead and unable to defend himself. The widow, Florence, who survived her husband for over ten years never wanted to hear the name Mulindwa after that. Looks like you can run, Mr. Mulindwa, but you cannot hide from your past. The funny thing is that it is not necessary to pretend that you had nothing to do with the NRM. Unless of course we are supposed to assume that you were just a spy in the NRM Toronto branch. Now Mr. Mulindwa, back to the beginning of this thread lest we lose focus on the issue at hand, donating to the Besigye defense fund. With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy, what has happened to Kizza Besigye could happen to anyone of us. So be concerned my friend. Help defend Besigye 1- Youcan download the Besigye Poster at www.fdcuganda.org . It has details of a bank account in Kampala. 2- The US FDC International Envoy, Dr. Joe Angole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and your immediate local Chapter leadership will no doubt gladly oblige 3- FDC Canada International Envoy, Dr. Muniini Murela ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Toronto Chapter's Treasurer Stella Sight ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the local chapters near where you live would all savor the moment. 4- You can also use the contacts list at www.fdcuganda.org/pages/contact_us.html All the best! Johnson Mujungu - Original Message - From: ocii To: David Nyende ; The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mr. Nyende, What I will say is, when good men and women fold their hands over the problems in their country, idiots take over and pat themselves on the back, believeing they are the ones who know better even when everything they delude themselves they know are all idiotic! Ugandans must be meticulous in moving the country forward. As we speak, the country is a waste land. There are absolutely no productivities going on in the country. In Buganda where there should have been tons and tons of Bananas, coffee, various fruits, plust what nots, almost nothing is being produced. Coffee trees of the fifties sixties are still being harvested today, even when their yield have diminished greatly. No new coffee
Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
The problem is that when you leave these people to go on with their sermon they come back and lie that they were duped. We have thousands of them that were singing for Museveni giving us the same nonsense. Having said that, your advice has been taken into consideration and I have closed this file for I think I have given him the important information he claimed not to know. Let society judge him. I am done with him.. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Mwirima Byaruhanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania usually, great minds (and the not-so-great ones too) tend to think alike. ocii, i say you sound like you ran out of mental rehab. edward, dont you have better things to do with your time than respond to ocii's nonsense? ebm ocii wrote thus on 18/07/2007 10:17: You are so dense and stupid beyond belief; to Hitler, you would have qualified unoppose for his specialist pysicians, if not his executioners. Who said idiots are useful for a country like Uganda? What is part yourself in the back? On second, that maybe what you need to do - part your back from yourself! You will be helped greatly by doing so. Hitler's physicians have the tools! And what is idiocracy? And you have the audacity to even ridicule Sebaggala, like a monkey laughing at his partner's tail! Why don't you just shut up like I do since I know I am not well verse in the english language, instead of attacking individuals like Sebaggala? With such level of stupidity, there must be dertermination to see your back out the window from any Uganda govt to come. You think this is a joke, continue parading your idiocy! Uganda, I am sure, need intelligent people in govt for it to be moved forward. My pen will cut you into pieces noting your idiocy that is so far unparalleled! Obviously what I write is not for you, for you understand nothing out of it; and you are better off stay well away of the way. Overlook that, and keep parading you imbecility, and you have my resolve to teach you a lesson you will never forget! Grasshoppers are crooks like you, who, having been rejected assylum in Britain, ran to canada, under a differnt name, where finally you are saved. Tell us, what were you doing in Uganda before running to Britain, and then to Canada? What were you doing? Inquiring mind would like to know! The header of this thread is MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania! Do you understand it or no? If you don't understand what I write, do yourself good and stay away from it. Ocii ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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Madam Mwirima, I have already told you a couple of times to just shut up. You ain't got the brain; your brain seems has been eaten by insects! Rehab. is most definitely your home judging from you one or two liners! If you have the balls why don't you come swinging? I would like to see your intelligence or just keep zeep! Ocii Mwirima Byaruhanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: usually, great minds (and the not-so-great ones too) tend to think alike. ocii, i say you sound like you ran out of mental rehab. edward, dont you have better things to do with your time than respond to ocii's nonsense? ebm ocii wrote thus on 18/07/2007 10:17: You are so dense and stupid beyond belief; to Hitler, you would have qualified unoppose for his specialist pysicians, if not his executioners. Who said idiots are useful for a country like Uganda? What is part yourself in the back? On second, that maybe what you need to do - part your back from yourself! You will be helped greatly by doing so. Hitler's physicians have the tools! And what is idiocracy? And you have the audacity to even ridicule Sebaggala, like a monkey laughing at his partner's tail! Why don't you just shut up like I do since I know I am not well verse in the english language, instead of attacking individuals like Sebaggala? With such level of stupidity, there must be dertermination to see your back out the window from any Uganda govt to come. You think this is a joke, continue parading your idiocy! Uganda, I am sure, need intelligent people in govt for it to be moved forward. My pen will cut you into pieces noting your idiocy that is so far unparalleled! Obviously what I write is not for you, for you understand nothing out of it; and you are better off stay well away of the way. Overlook that, and keep parading you imbecility, and you have my resolve to teach you a lesson you will never forget! Grasshoppers are crooks like you, who, having been rejected assylum in Britain, ran to canada, under a differnt name, where finally you are saved. Tell us, what were you doing in Uganda before running to Britain, and then to Canada? What were you doing? Inquiring mind would like to know! The header of this thread is MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania! Do you understand it or no? If you don't understand what I write, do yourself good and stay away from it. Ocii ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- - All new Yahoo! Mail - Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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ocii wrote thus on 18/07/2007 16:34: Madam Mwirima, I have already told you a couple of times to just shut up. You ain't got the brain; your brain seems has been eaten by insects! interesting to see and know that you cannot write anything sensible other than profanities. eb. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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I must give it to you Bwana Ocii. Mulindwa has at last met his match. Keep it up brother. We are with you on this one. DMN - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, Like I say, you are simply a non visionary and an idiot, take it or leave it. Did you not tell us here that you can vote for Museveni anytime? And who is Mu7? Is he not a Rwandese whose mother brought him to Uganda while running away from the chaos of Rwanda, a refugee? Now you are claiming that Dr. Besigye is Rwandese, after running out of reasons to defame the guy. By God this is the first time I am hearing this nonsense that Dr. Besigye is a Rwandese! Isn't Dr. Besigye a Mukiga? Okay, if Dr. Besigye is Rwandese, so what? Was Amin a Ugandan? Some say he wasn't. Is Mu7 a Ugandan? NO!, he is not. Why then did late Dr. Obote recruited these people into his first administration? Mu7 was even working in Obote's office! Amin was a high ranking officer despite the fact that all these people were not Ugandans! Why? Because Dr. Obote was looking at the bigger picture: Africanity! But here we have Mulindwa, having a personal bone to chew with Dr. Besigye, is trying to involve the whole nation! If you have your personal problem with Dr. Besigye, that entirely is your own problem! First, it was that the Besigyes were cautioned about supporting Mu7. That fell through for it could not stand the test of criticism. Then, it was that the Besigyes have not diclosed any new info on who killed who, like who killed Kayira. That too fell through, for it could not stand the test of criticism. Then came, the Besigyes are the one who crafted the policies that has so far kept the NRA/M in power for all these twenty years! That too fell through! For it was hogwash. Now the Besigyes are Rwandese!! You know what, I really care less whether the Besigyes are Rwandese or not. As someone who look beyond parochial politics, I really care less whether Besigye is from mars!! All I care about is a system that caters for Ugandans as a people. Ugandans have every right over their resources and must own it 100%. Any innuendos to alienate Ugandans from owning their resources: land, forest, water, oil and gas, you name it; keeping their children out of schools; herd them in concentration camps, et ceterra, must be fought! Period. The NRA/M of which the leader, Mu7, you can vote for anytime, is doing exactly all these above. Like I said before, just butt out if you don't know what you are doing. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation. One of the very many reasons that Uganda has been abandoned this much is because Ugandans allowed the Rwandese to lead it. That is why they have sold every single thing with out a single care about it. They do not have nationalism for Uganda is not their country. My dear fellow Ugandan, why are you pleading for another Rwandese to again lead Uganda? Uganda has a population of about 30 Million people, give or take, do we seriously need Dr. Kiiza Besigye a Rwandese to bring a transformation into our nation? Second question, I know you are a member of some Rwandese forums, have you read any where that Rwandese are pleading for Ugandans to lead their nation? So we are getting Besigye a Rwandese and we get another Rwandese calling him self Mugisha Muntu although his right name is Mugisha Muntunyera to lead us for Ocii is pleading for them. Have we reached a time to publicly state that we can not find leadership from with in our selves as Ugandans? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa just write the way you do always. Intellectualism is not your cap of tea. Any attempts to do so merely make the entire of your write-ups just sound idiotic! Back to the issue. It seems you are only fixated on extracting some information from the Besigyes. Do you get paid for doing so? You must be a very silly informer. You don't have the intelligence needed to extract those information. Go to school and learn a little more about spys and intelligent operatives to know a lot more. In Canada where you supposedly live, it, the organization, is callled CSIS. There are many Ugandans who have killed other fellow citizens. If we must begin to find out about them, I doubt very much if you yourself will be spared
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I am not in the mood to to join you guys, but, HAVING LOST TWO GENERAL ELECTIONS (two mandates running almost a decade), why does not your Bwesigye man step down for winged freshers? Are there no others capable enough? Goddy, for example?! O.K., stepping down (rd. accepting reality/ inability) is the pest an African politician will never associate with no matter what!!--- On Mon 07/16, Edward Mulindwa lt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; wrote: From: Edward Mulindwa [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:31:44 -0400Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Ocii I would like to state that this is going to be my last discussion with you on your so called strategy. You think by calling us idiots, you are therefore not an idiot or a moron? What any body who cares to analyze from the verbiage you penned below is a typical example of an opportunist, who full of vain glory believes those he claims he wants to use do not see where he is trying to take them. That you have such pedestal view about politics is even mind boggling. You really believe that Besigye will allow an opportunist like you to write his political agenda for him? What information does your associating with Besigye been released to you that you did not already know? Have you ever had of that term in sociology called participatory observation? It used to be one of the ways used to extract vital information from people who are suspects but the investigators could not put a finger to where their involvement fits in. An Investigator would then go and live with this suspect and in case they are of different gender even get married to in need be.This was to build trust and have the suspect opening up all the secrets they have. Little, then did people know that the Stockholm Syndrome eventually sets in and the investigator becomes part and parcel of the suspects' life. That is a cause lost. When Museveni and Besigyes' came in, do you remember the number of DP national executives who were in the cabinet? What was their remit? They claimed they were there to balance and help make Museveni's government a more acceptable government. In 1995/1996 when Paul Kawanga Ssemwogerere left the Mut Junta, except those executive members who had either passed on or been dropped in previous reshuffles, how many of his then executive did he leave with? As a self confessed non idiot/moron and a strategizer, surmise that yourself. One philosopher once said Wise People learn from the Experience of Others, BUT FOOLS, never learn Even from their Own Experience. If you are what you claim and confess you are, I think this will help you.I end by quoting another of those anecdotes attributed to the former US defense Secretary Donald Rumsfedt To Every Problem,There is Usually a Very Simple and Straight Forward Solution, which Turns out to be The Wrongs Solution to that Problem. With that,Ocii, I rest my case as I leave you with your Strategies. This discussion is comprehensively closed. EmToronto The Mulindwas Communication GroupWith Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchyGroupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:01 PMSubject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in TanzaniaMulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are s dense!! What you
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: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are s dense!! What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests on hate toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an older person like Eriya Kategaya for not listening to cautions not to support the NRA/M, and I would say well, you have a point. But even then, such grieve would not make sense. Why? Because Eriya Kategaya grew up together with Museveni; they therefore knew what they were upto when they launched the guerilla movement! Mu7 galvanized Westerners and Southerners by wipping the anti-Northern and anti-Eastern Ugandans political messages! Many Ugandans from these regions (West and South) fell for it; if old adults could fall for Mu7's messages then, what about Makerere students who hail from those areas? In the process of the liberation from Northerners and Easterners, some of these Mu7's followers went ahead and committed very serious crimes in the North and East of the country to the point, they cannot see themselves surviving under any system different from the NRA/M. Why do you think Besigye was not elected in his own constituency? Is it because Besigye's people think he is evil, one who masterminded the establishement of the NRA/M, you would like us to believe? If so, why is it not that the same people in that region of the country voted overwhelmingly for a different party, say like UPC or DP, other than the NRA/M if they do not think highly of the FDC? Mulindwa, if you are still failing to think correctly, let me think for you. The reason westerners still vote overwhelmingly for NRA/M and not FDC, is because: 1). They are looking at Uganda politics from the movement political looking glass: North/East vs. South/West! As a result they could not vote for the Besigyes for, in their political camera, the Besigyes are traitors! Period. You on the other hand, who should have been quick on your feet, to welcome the Besigyes to craft solutions for speedy downfall of the NRA/M, now that there are rebels in their rank, is busy demonstrating political buffoonery, attacking Besigye for he did not listen to UPC cautions to Ugandans not to support the NRA/M way back in the early 80s 20 solid years later!! Make sense to you?? The Besigyes supporting NRA/M is a done deal Mulindwa; like a spilled milk. It is a done deal!! You cannot keep wailing over it day in day out. For how long are you going to keep wailing over this, knowing fully some of these people joined the NRA/M in their University days? For another 20 more years while the UPC on the other hand is engaged in much ado about nothing, save releaseing useless Press Releases weekly? You fools cannot be serious Mulindwa! Never ever rant over a spilled milk incessantly if you ever must move forward! Strategize, and this is the message I have been passing to readers, but you and your sidekick, Matek are stuck in a rut
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Huh, Noc1, Lets start with Mu7. He has been in power since 1986. Is there no other capable Ugandans, let say within the movement system for example, to take over the mantel? Your logic cannot past the test. Dr. Besigye has never led the country so he can still be given the opportunity to lead so long as he is committed a new form of governing. As simple as that! Ocii Okuto del Coli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not in the mood to to join you guys, but, HAVING LOST TWO GENERAL ELECTIONS (two mandates running almost a decade), why does not your Bwesigye man step down for winged freshers? Are there no others capable enough? Goddy, for example?! O.K., stepping down (rd. accepting reality/ inability) is the pest an African politician will never associate with no matter what!! --- On Mon 07/16, Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Edward Mulindwa [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:31:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Ocii I would like to state that this is going to be my last discussion with you on your so called strategy. You think by calling us idiots, you are therefore not an idiot or a moron? What any body who cares to analyze from the verbiage you penned below is a typical example of an opportunist, who full of vain glory believes those he claims he wants to use do not see where he is trying to take them. That you have such pedestal view about politics is even mind boggling. You really believe that Besigye will allow an opportunist like you to write his political agenda for him? What information does your associating with Besigye been released to you that you did not already know? Have you ever had of that term in sociology called participatory observation? It used to be one of the ways used to extract vital information from people who are suspects but the investigators could not put a finger to where their involvement fits in. An Investigator would then go and live with this suspect and in case they are of different gender even get married to in need be.This was to build trust and have the suspect opening up all the secrets they have. Little, then did people know that the Stockholm Syndrome eventually sets in and the investigator becomes part and parcel of the suspects' life. That is a cause lost. When Museveni and Besigyes' came in, do you remember the number of DP national executives who were in the cabinet? What was their remit? They claimed they were there to balance and help make Museveni's government a more acceptable government. In 1995/1996 when Paul Kawanga Ssemwogerere left the Mut Junta, except those executive members who had either passed on or been dropped in previous reshuffles, how many of his then executive did he leave with? As a self confessed non idiot/moron and a strategizer, surmise that yourself. One philosopher once said Wise People learn from the Experience of Others, BUT FOOLS, never learn Even from their Own Experience. If you are what you claim and confess you are, I think this will help you. I end by quoting another of those anecdotes attributed to the former US defense Secretary Donald Rumsfedt To Every Problem,There is Usually a Very Simple and Straight Forward Solution, which Turns out to be The Wrongs Solution to that Problem. With that,Ocii, I rest my case as I leave you with your Strategies. This discussion is comprehensively closed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome
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Ocii The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation. One of the very many reasons that Uganda has been abandoned this much is because Ugandans allowed the Rwandese to lead it. That is why they have sold every single thing with out a single care about it. They do not have nationalism for Uganda is not their country. My dear fellow Ugandan, why are you pleading for another Rwandese to again lead Uganda? Uganda has a population of about 30 Million people, give or take, do we seriously need Dr. Kiiza Besigye a Rwandese to bring a transformation into our nation? Second question, I know you are a member of some Rwandese forums, have you read any where that Rwandese are pleading for Ugandans to lead their nation? So we are getting Besigye a Rwandese and we get another Rwandese calling him self Mugisha Muntu although his right name is Mugisha Muntunyera to lead us for Ocii is pleading for them. Have we reached a time to publicly state that we can not find leadership from with in our selves as Ugandans? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa just write the way you do always. Intellectualism is not your cap of tea. Any attempts to do so merely make the entire of your write-ups just sound idiotic! Back to the issue. It seems you are only fixated on extracting some information from the Besigyes. Do you get paid for doing so? You must be a very silly informer. You don't have the intelligence needed to extract those information. Go to school and learn a little more about spys and intelligent operatives to know a lot more. In Canada where you supposedly live, it, the organization, is callled CSIS. There are many Ugandans who have killed other fellow citizens. If we must begin to find out about them, I doubt very much if you yourself will be spared. Granted, personally I would like to see those whose hands are tainted with wananchi blood, brought to book, the proceedures to do so can not be so idiotic like you would like to pretend you can can bring it about. You simply cannot!. Period. The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation. The current movement system has proven the leadership are even more idiotic than the Okellos era. At least the Okellos did not go to school; they joined Uganda arm forces during the era of colonization, as young boys - without any kind of schooling. So, they cannot be blamed too much although they cannot escape blames entirely. But compared to the so called educated leaders in the country today, I do not see why the Besigyes cannot be granted the opportuny, in cahoot with right minded Ugandans who want change, to bring about just that, Change! Your ranting is meaningless, without vision, and has no whatsoever weight. It has been 20 years, and I seriously believe idiotic politics in the country needs to be laid to rest. The country must be moved; the people are suffering. So, either you get on board, or stay out of the way and let those determine to bring about change do it. The Chinese say a journey of 1000miles begins with a first step! The movement gurus have mis-stepped profoundly. They have lost their chance, and force is not going to help them. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii I would like to state that this is going to be my last discussion with you on your so called strategy. You think by calling us idiots, you are therefore not an idiot or a moron? What any body who cares to analyze from the verbiage you penned below is a typical example of an opportunist, who full of vain glory believes those he claims he wants to use do not see where he is trying to take them. That you have such pedestal view about politics is even mind boggling. You really believe that Besigye will allow an opportunist like you to write his political agenda for him? What information does your associating with Besigye been released to you that you did not already know? Have you ever had of that term in sociology called participatory observation? It used to be one of the ways used to extract vital information from people who are suspects but the investigators could not put a finger to where their involvement fits in. An Investigator would then go and live with this suspect and in case they are of different gender even get married to in need be.This was to build trust and have the suspect opening up all the secrets they have. Little, then did people know that the Stockholm Syndrome eventually sets in and the investigator becomes part and parcel of the suspects' life. That is a cause lost
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Mulindwa, Like I say, you are simply a non visionary and an idiot, take it or leave it. Did you not tell us here that you can vote for Museveni anytime? And who is Mu7? Is he not a Rwandese whose mother brought him to Uganda while running away from the chaos of Rwanda, a refugee? Now you are claiming that Dr. Besigye is Rwandese, after running out of reasons to defame the guy. By God this is the first time I am hearing this nonsense that Dr. Besigye is a Rwandese! Isn't Dr. Besigye a Mukiga? Okay, if Dr. Besigye is Rwandese, so what? Was Amin a Ugandan? Some say he wasn't. Is Mu7 a Ugandan? NO!, he is not. Why then did late Dr. Obote recruited these people into his first administration? Mu7 was even working in Obote's office! Amin was a high ranking officer despite the fact that all these people were not Ugandans! Why? Because Dr. Obote was looking at the bigger picture: Africanity! But here we have Mulindwa, having a personal bone to chew with Dr. Besigye, is trying to involve the whole nation! If you have your personal problem with Dr. Besigye, that entirely is your own problem! First, it was that the Besigyes were cautioned about supporting Mu7. That fell through for it could not stand the test of criticism. Then, it was that the Besigyes have not diclosed any new info on who killed who, like who killed Kayira. That too fell through, for it could not stand the test of criticism. Then came, the Besigyes are the one who crafted the policies that has so far kept the NRA/M in power for all these twenty years! That too fell through! For it was hogwash. Now the Besigyes are Rwandese!! You know what, I really care less whether the Besigyes are Rwandese or not. As someone who look beyond parochial politics, I really care less whether Besigye is from mars!! All I care about is a system that caters for Ugandans as a people. Ugandans have every right over their resources and must own it 100%. Any innuendos to alienate Ugandans from owning their resources: land, forest, water, oil and gas, you name it; keeping their children out of schools; herd them in concentration camps, et ceterra, must be fought! Period. The NRA/M of which the leader, Mu7, you can vote for anytime, is doing exactly all these above. Like I said before, just butt out if you don't know what you are doing. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation. One of the very many reasons that Uganda has been abandoned this much is because Ugandans allowed the Rwandese to lead it. That is why they have sold every single thing with out a single care about it. They do not have nationalism for Uganda is not their country. My dear fellow Ugandan, why are you pleading for another Rwandese to again lead Uganda? Uganda has a population of about 30 Million people, give or take, do we seriously need Dr. Kiiza Besigye a Rwandese to bring a transformation into our nation? Second question, I know you are a member of some Rwandese forums, have you read any where that Rwandese are pleading for Ugandans to lead their nation? So we are getting Besigye a Rwandese and we get another Rwandese calling him self Mugisha Muntu although his right name is Mugisha Muntunyera to lead us for Ocii is pleading for them. Have we reached a time to publicly state that we can not find leadership from with in our selves as Ugandans? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa just write the way you do always. Intellectualism is not your cap of tea. Any attempts to do so merely make the entire of your write-ups just sound idiotic! Back to the issue. It seems you are only fixated on extracting some information from the Besigyes. Do you get paid for doing so? You must be a very silly informer. You don't have the intelligence needed to extract those information. Go to school and learn a little more about spys and intelligent operatives to know a lot more. In Canada where you supposedly live, it, the organization, is callled CSIS. There are many Ugandans who have killed other fellow citizens. If we must begin to find out about them, I doubt very much if you yourself will be spared. Granted, personally I would like to see those whose hands are tainted with wananchi blood, brought to book, the proceedures to do so can not be so idiotic like you would like to pretend you can can bring it about. You simply cannot!. Period. The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation. The current
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Ocii Let us forget the people murdered in Uganda that is not important and that is not going to be told by Besigye. Agreed. Let us talk bout corruption that Besigye has stated publicly, can you kindly state any detail that you have got from Besigye about the corruption in Uganda apart from generalities? What new information have you got from Besigye now that he is out of the Movement than you using your antidotal evidence that we all must keep quite for you know that he knows but he can not tell. Secondly there is a second very fundamental statement that Ugandans always make and they make it during an election. When we had an election that brought in Obote two, Yoweri Museveni went home and stood under an umbrella of UPM, the Ugandans that new Museveni than any of us refused to elect the man. The rest of the population of Uganda including Dr. Kiiza Besigye, failed to take that message and supported Museveni in the Luwero war, and this is the Museveni we got up to today. Had Ugandans including Dr. Kiiza Besigye listened to the voices of the Ugandans that knew Museveni, we would have not lost our country as we have lost it today. It is very bizarre that Besigye has never stood on any ticket in any Uganda constituency to be elected, but we can wonder as well why the people of the entire Western Uganda that know this doctor better than you a Luo from Eastern Uganda, refused to elect their son's political party even in a single constituency. FDC has never won even a single constituency in Western Uganda and I do not see them winning one come 2011 either. As we failed to follow the knowledge of Museveni's constituency one can marvel why we are failing to follow the knowledge of Dr Kiiza Besigye's constituency. And I can wonder what you are privy to about this man that his entire birth constituency failed to be privy to. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania You see, this is where you are either an idiot, or a silly informer. Besigye is not in power; he is done with the system. What Ugandans need is to rally the forces now jettisoning the movement system from their minds, due to their historical experiences, to galvanize the nation into a political force to bring about the much needed change, which of course is coming. I asked you whether Besigye was in Tanzania when Ugandan refugees in that country invaded the country way back in the 70s, then under Amin. You cannot answer. I even quoted Dr. Obote on the ways of Mu7 whom you can vote for anytime. Have you laboured to defend him? Instead you are railing against Dr. Besigye, as to whether he made public who killed those you enumerated as having been killed! Kumi District, late Dr. Obote pointed out, was depopulated from a population of 350, 000 people in 1979 to 150, 000 people in 1990, going by the census result of that year. These people were not killed by Dr. Besigye, but by the system that he, Dr. Besigye has disagreed with. Why you even opine Dr. Besigye has nowhere to go but back to the movement system is quite idiotic at best. And the reason strategists can not and must never be duped by your silly and idiotic point of view. Mulindwa you can not be smart! Do you in your right mind think Dr. Besigye, after rebelling against the system he ended up disagreeing with, would delve into releasing such information as to who killed who much too early? Assuming he knows who killed who, such information can never be release like it is a simple or matter of jokes! Even if you are one of those killers, of which Dr. Besigye is privy to such info, he is not going to point you Mulindwa from among the crowd like you are requesting he does, or just because he has abandoned the very system of which these people got killed under! Such are not simple matters. Dr. Besigye is not the system that these people got killed under. He is an individual who, having been in the system, has disagreed with it. The only best thing Ugandans who disagree with the system can do is receive the Besigyes with open arms to move the country forward. Uganda is not anybody's personal property. The sooner the movement bigwigs realise this the better, instead of Mu7 looting wananchi's wealth and siphoning it to Tanzania to build so called Mu7's schools; or looting 29billion Uganda shillings and giving it to the Madhvanis while Uganda children perish in camps; and many cannot even go to school because of poverty in their homes. You are talking to adults here. There are people in camps meeting their deaths variously. I am sure the last thing they want is idiotic ranting. Some
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Matek You know what frustrates? Is that the supporters of FDC are told the facts on the table and they simply refuse to take them because they always have a last card. They come back and state and I quote We were duped End of quote. The very strength I am burning today to inform this man is the very same efforts many of us spent to inform these Ugandans about Museveni based on what we knew at a time. They simply refused to listen. That is why today I do not buy that we were duped nonsense from FDC supporters. And neither should any other Ugandan for they as my fellow Ugandan Ocii received all these information's but simply ignored it. What a sad day. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania EM: Can I whisper a few words! You are making no head way so to say...with this your argument. Indeed, many Intelligent Ugandans here may rightly conclude that you are engaged in some sort of market argument with a drunkard! MK Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii With all due respect, D Kiiza Besigye left the Movement not on political grounds but because when he and the rest of Movmentists went to DRC to loot, they looted but Museveni's representatives cut out Besigye in the split of the loot. Besigye has absolutely no single problem with Museveni, that is why (a) You have never got any new information about Museveni from Besigye. For example has he told you who killed Andrew Kayiira even though he was the junior minister of internal affairs, who even Ssemogerere has publicly stated that he was handed the Kayiira's file? Has Besigye ever told you who killed our people for example the Ndeeba Doctor's village, The Dr Barlow's, the Kanungu massacres. Ocii what details have you got from this man claiming to have ran out of Museveni? In other wards how has Besigye's defection from the Movment helped you to understand the inner working of the Movement that you did not know when Besigye was still an insider? Which brings me to (b) Dr. Kiiza Besigye has no where to go but to join the Movement and get a job. And trust me he will. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania You are dead wrong. Its not Kigezi that can save Uganda but Ugandans. Kizza Besigye plus others who rebeled against the very system that recruited them to fight Mu7's war in Uganda realised after some years of politics grounded on hatred toward other Ugandans that that definitely is not the way for Uganda as a nation. Mu7's strategy is to kill off those he hate; that is why he concentrated in killing off his supposed opponents, using various means: scorched earth; combing; concentration camps etc, from the North and NorthEast of the country! Late Apollo Milton Obote on THE CONCEALMENT OF GENOCIDE IN UGANDA, wrote: In March 1990, Museveni moved physically to Kumi District in the East and remained there for 18 days where he took command of his army against rebels. The war, which according to him, had ended was being prosecuted by him, some nine months later, with the greatest brutalities. The entire population of Kumi District or whatever number remained alive from previous massacres, have now been forced into concentration camps and Museveni is personally commanding his army in the destruction of homes and property. Considering that the population of Kumi (1979 census) was, in round figures 350,000, the number of the entire population of the District which has not (1990) been herded in camps is extremely ominous. The number being given is 150,000; that certainly can not be the entire population of Kumi. The missing 200,000 and more appear to be of no interest or concern to those who have created walls to protect Museveni and conceal his genocide. Kumi is the District where on several previous occasions, the NRA rounded young men and had them burnt, gassed or starved to death in Railway wagons. The latest such deed was in July 1989. Museveni and his army have been engaged in the orgies of killings in this District like others in the North and East since 1986. Kumi like its Northern neighbors of Soroti and Lira was a cattle area. This time as the people went to concentration camps
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Mulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are s dense!! What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests on hate toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an older person like Eriya Kategaya for not listening to cautions not to support the NRA/M, and I would say well, you have a point. But even then, such grieve would not make sense. Why? Because Eriya Kategaya grew up together with Museveni; they therefore knew what they were upto when they launched the guerilla movement! Mu7 galvanized Westerners and Southerners by wipping the anti-Northern and anti-Eastern Ugandans political messages! Many Ugandans from these regions (West and South) fell for it; if old adults could fall for Mu7's messages then, what about Makerere students who hail from those areas? In the process of the liberation from Northerners and Easterners, some of these Mu7's followers went ahead and committed very serious crimes in the North and East of the country to the point, they cannot see themselves surviving under any system different from the NRA/M. Why do you think Besigye was not elected in his own constituency? Is it because Besigye's people think he is evil, one who masterminded the establishement of the NRA/M, you would like us to believe? If so, why is it not that the same people in that region of the country voted overwhelmingly for a different party, say like UPC or DP, other than the NRA/M if they do not think highly of the FDC? Mulindwa, if you are still failing to think correctly, let me think for you. The reason westerners still vote overwhelmingly for NRA/M and not FDC, is because: 1). They are looking at Uganda politics from the movement political looking glass: North/East vs. South/West! As a result they could not vote for the Besigyes for, in their political camera, the Besigyes are traitors! Period. You on the other hand, who should have been quick on your feet, to welcome the Besigyes to craft solutions for speedy downfall of the NRA/M, now that there are rebels in their rank, is busy demonstrating political buffoonery, attacking Besigye for he did not listen to UPC cautions to Ugandans not to support the NRA/M way back in the early 80s 20 solid years later!! Make sense to you?? The Besigyes supporting NRA/M is a done deal Mulindwa; like a spilled milk. It is a done deal!! You cannot keep wailing over it day in day out. For how long are you going to keep wailing over this, knowing fully some of these people joined the NRA/M in their University days? For another 20 more years while the UPC on the other hand is engaged in much ado about nothing, save releaseing useless Press Releases weekly? You fools cannot be serious Mulindwa! Never ever rant over a spilled milk incessantly if you ever must move forward! Strategize, and this is the message I have been passing to readers, but you and your sidekick, Matek are stuck in a rut, hankering for UPC's tranquil government again!! Guest what, my friends, things have changed!! Dr.
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That Culu Dr. Mwesigye rebelled against the NRMO of Yoweri Museveni..after he Mwesigye released he was duped by the NRM Military dictatorship to derail Ugandans political progress under the UPCII government, is indeed welcome...but then does that mean that now since Mwesigye had a change of heart, the people of Uganda must now honour him with a position of President of Uganda..? the answer is NO!!! period.. Matek ocii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are s dense!! What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests on hate toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an older person like Eriya Kategaya for not listening to cautions not to support the NRA/M, and I would say well, you have a point. But even then, such grieve would not make sense. Why? Because Eriya Kategaya grew up together with Museveni; they therefore knew what they were upto when they launched the guerilla movement! Mu7 galvanized Westerners and Southerners by wipping the anti-Northern and anti-Eastern Ugandans political messages! Many Ugandans from these regions (West and South) fell for it; if old adults could fall for Mu7's messages then, what about Makerere students who hail from those areas? In the process of the liberation from Northerners and Easterners, some of these Mu7's followers went ahead and committed very serious crimes in the North and East of the country to the point, they cannot see themselves surviving under any system different from the NRA/M. Why do you think Besigye was not elected in his own constituency? Is it because Besigye's people think he is evil, one who masterminded the establishement of the NRA/M, you would like us to believe? If so, why is it not that the same people in that region of the country voted overwhelmingly for a different party, say like UPC or DP, other than the NRA/M if they do not think highly of the FDC? Mulindwa, if you are still failing to think correctly, let me think for you. The reason westerners still vote overwhelmingly for NRA/M and not FDC, is because: 1). They are looking at Uganda politics from the movement political looking glass: North/East vs. South/West! As a result they could not vote for the Besigyes for, in their political camera, the Besigyes are traitors! Period. You on the other hand, who should have been quick on your feet, to welcome the Besigyes to craft solutions for speedy downfall of the NRA/M, now that there are rebels in their rank, is busy demonstrating political buffoonery, attacking Besigye for he did not listen to UPC cautions to Ugandans not to support the NRA/M way back in the early 80s 20 solid years later!! Make sense to you?? The Besigyes supporting NRA/M is a done deal Mulindwa; like a spilled milk. It is a done deal!! You cannot keep wailing over it day in day out. For how long are you going to keep wailing over this, knowing fully some of these people joined the NRA/M in their University days? For another 20 more years while
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Come on now Matek, you are being ridiculous! You do have some thinking ability going for you but there are times when you just come across quite raw. If all you are looking for is the presidency then obviously me and you do not see eye to eye on that. What is holding the presidency position with a system like the current NRA/M, or that of Amin of the 70s? To me what informs my decision is a system, which was the very cornerstone of late Dr. Obote's leadership, that made him very popular in Uganda body politics, supported overwhelmingly by Ugandans all across the country. If late Dr. Obote was merely looking for the presidency do you think he would have gunnered support from all over the country? The Culu Dr. Besigye did not run away from the NRA/M because he wanted to become the next president of the country; rather, from my limited knowledge, the man ran away because he disagreed with the system, and therefore was advocating for reform. Given the herd mentality in the NRA/M system rooted on hate towards other fellow Ugandans, reform from within was not possible. The man then rebelled! Based on his conviction to bring about change, if indeed he is in position to bring about change, why not work with him to bring that change about instead of hitting brick walls every year for the last 20 years?? Does it make sense to you that you keep on hitting brick walls for the next several years? By then even Miria Obote would be dead; all the other UPC bigwigs would be dead. And guess what will not be dead around you? Throngs of illiterate new generation of Ugandans being squated upon by foreigners: The Indians, Rwandese now schooling themselves on the back of Ugandan poor; the foreign investors now owning land and businesses in the country, many many more! The Chinese say everything starts with a first step! UPC is not going to achieve anything if it refused to make that first step: Strategic cooperation, with an eye on the much bigger change you and Mulindwa are dreaming of! Wake up now Matek, or never in your lifetime. Ocii Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Culu Dr. Mwesigye rebelled against the NRMO of Yoweri Museveni..after he Mwesigye released he was duped by the NRM Military dictatorship to derail Ugandans political progress under the UPCII government, is indeed welcome...but then does that mean that now since Mwesigye had a change of heart, the people of Uganda must now honour him with a position of President of Uganda..? the answer is NO!!! period.. Matek ocii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Mulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are s dense!! What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests on hate toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an older person like Eriya Kategaya for not listening to cautions not to support the NRA/M, and I would say well, you have a point. But even then, such grieve would not make sense. Why? Because Eriya Kategaya grew up together with Museveni; they
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Ocii I would like to state that this is going to be my last discussion with you on your so called strategy. You think by calling us idiots, you are therefore not an idiot or a moron? What any body who cares to analyze from the verbiage you penned below is a typical example of an opportunist, who full of vain glory believes those he claims he wants to use do not see where he is trying to take them. That you have such pedestal view about politics is even mind boggling. You really believe that Besigye will allow an opportunist like you to write his political agenda for him? What information does your associating with Besigye been released to you that you did not already know? Have you ever had of that term in sociology called participatory observation? It used to be one of the ways used to extract vital information from people who are suspects but the investigators could not put a finger to where their involvement fits in. An Investigator would then go and live with this suspect and in case they are of different gender even get married to in need be.This was to build trust and have the suspect opening up all the secrets they have. Little, then did people know that the Stockholm Syndrome eventually sets in and the investigator becomes part and parcel of the suspects' life. That is a cause lost. When Museveni and Besigyes' came in, do you remember the number of DP national executives who were in the cabinet? What was their remit? They claimed they were there to balance and help make Museveni's government a more acceptable government. In 1995/1996 when Paul Kawanga Ssemwogerere left the Mut Junta, except those executive members who had either passed on or been dropped in previous reshuffles, how many of his then executive did he leave with? As a self confessed non idiot/moron and a strategizer, surmise that yourself. One philosopher once said Wise People learn from the Experience of Others, BUT FOOLS, never learn Even from their Own Experience. If you are what you claim and confess you are, I think this will help you. I end by quoting another of those anecdotes attributed to the former US defense Secretary Donald Rumsfedt To Every Problem,There is Usually a Very Simple and Straight Forward Solution, which Turns out to be The Wrongs Solution to that Problem. With that,Ocii, I rest my case as I leave you with your Strategies. This discussion is comprehensively closed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are s dense!! What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests on hate toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an older person like Eriya Kategaya
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ocii, dont be on the offensive. that style of writting usually tells a few things: - you cannot relay your message eloquently in real life and choose to 'hide behind email' - you fear to be challenged. - you do not know how to win an argument peacefully. either way, as Edward says, your abusive writting style tells much about who you really are. -ebm ocii wrote thus on 14/07/2007 05:50: Mwirima, You most definitely have difficulties reading or understanding what is written. What part of butt out don't you understand? Are you still stuck in kindergarten or you are merely a case of an inferior Ugandan who strive strenuously to appear one who know english language so well? I can write english in any form I chose; it is not my mother tongue. Is that just about clear? ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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So? You got a problem with who I am? And why are you hiding under some Mwirima Byaruhanga on the internent like everyone else? Come out and let us see. Until then, just shut up!, for you know very little. Ocii Mwirima Byaruhanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ocii, dont be on the offensive. that style of writting usually tells a few things: - you cannot relay your message eloquently in real life and choose to 'hide behind email' - you fear to be challenged. - you do not know how to win an argument peacefully. either way, as Edward says, your abusive writting style tells much about who you really are. -ebm ocii wrote thus on 14/07/2007 05:50: Mwirima, You most definitely have difficulties reading or understanding what is written. What part of butt out don't you understand? Are you still stuck in kindergarten or you are merely a case of an inferior Ugandan who strive strenuously to appear one who know english language so well? I can write english in any form I chose; it is not my mother tongue. Is that just about clear? ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- - All new Yahoo! Mail - Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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One of the reasons FDC has failed so miserably is a total failure of communication, and this has been witnessed from rally to demonstrations to forums. For some reason, they consider them selves to know better than any other Ugandan creature, a very reason they claim Uganda's salvation to come from Kigezi. And that is not the first time major development to have come from Kigezi, let us remember that it was the old men of Kigezi that advised Iddi Amin to be a life president, as it was Kigezi which elected Museveni at 99% to the Kigezi Generals being able to throw Museveni out. With out Kigezi there seem to be no Uganda. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania So? You got a problem with who I am? And why are you hiding under some Mwirima Byaruhanga on the internent like everyone else? Come out and let us see. Until then, just shut up!, for you know very little. Ocii Mwirima Byaruhanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ocii, dont be on the offensive. that style of writting usually tells a few things: - you cannot relay your message eloquently in real life and choose to 'hide behind email' - you fear to be challenged. - you do not know how to win an argument peacefully. either way, as Edward says, your abusive writting style tells much about who you really are. -ebm ocii wrote thus on 14/07/2007 05:50: Mwirima, You most definitely have difficulties reading or understanding what is written. What part of butt out don't you understand? Are you still stuck in kindergarten or you are merely a case of an inferior Ugandan who strive strenuously to appear one who know english language so well? I can write english in any form I chose; it is not my mother tongue. Is that just about clear? ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- -- All new Yahoo! Mail -- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. -- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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You are dead wrong. Its not Kigezi that can save Uganda but Ugandans. Kizza Besigye plus others who rebeled against the very system that recruited them to fight Mu7's war in Uganda realised after some years of politics grounded on hatred toward other Ugandans that that definitely is not the way for Uganda as a nation. Mu7's strategy is to kill off those he hate; that is why he concentrated in killing off his supposed opponents, using various means: scorched earth; combing; concentration camps etc, from the North and NorthEast of the country! Late Apollo Milton Obote on THE CONCEALMENT OF GENOCIDE IN UGANDA, wrote: In March 1990, Museveni moved physically to Kumi District in the East and remained there for 18 days where he took command of his army against rebels. The war, which according to him, had ended was being prosecuted by him, some nine months later, with the greatest brutalities. The entire population of Kumi District or whatever number remained alive from previous massacres, have now been forced into concentration camps and Museveni is personally commanding his army in the destruction of homes and property. Considering that the population of Kumi (1979 census) was, in round figures 350,000, the number of the entire population of the District which has not (1990) been herded in camps is extremely ominous. The number being given is 150,000; that certainly can not be the entire population of Kumi. The missing 200,000 and more appear to be of no interest or concern to those who have created walls to protect Museveni and conceal his genocide. Kumi is the District where on several previous occasions, the NRA rounded young men and had them burnt, gassed or starved to death in Railway wagons. The latest such deed was in July 1989. Museveni and his army have been engaged in the orgies of killings in this District like others in the North and East since 1986. Kumi like its Northern neighbors of Soroti and Lira was a cattle area. This time as the people went to concentration camps, there was no cattle at all in the villages; the animals in Kumi are to be found in the NRA barracks; which is also the case in the Districts of Soroti, Lira, Apac, Kitgum and Gulu. Depopulation strategy. Now, Dr. Besigye realised this about ten years ago and rebeled, while you Mulindwa openly states: I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. What you forget so quickly is that when Ugandans invaded the country from Tanzania way back in the early 70s to remove Amin, many Ugandan invaders perished not in the hands of Amin's soldiers! But in the hand of you know who..! Read Dr. Obote's writings to know more. My question to you: Was Dr. Besigye among those who invaded Uganda from Tanzania to remove Amin? If Dr. Besigye was indeed among these guerilla troops of which eventually many perished but not in the hands of Amin's soldiers, then sure Dr. Besigye is a dangerous guy who crafted the policy to liquidate these guerilla men and woman. However, if Dr. Besigye was not among these men then you need to stop playing with adults here in this forum. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the reasons FDC has failed so miserably is a total failure of communication, and this has been witnessed from rally to demonstrations to forums. For some reason, they consider them selves to know better than any other Ugandan creature, a very reason they claim Uganda's salvation to come from Kigezi. And that is not the first time major development to have come from Kigezi, let us remember that it was the old men of Kigezi that advised Iddi Amin to be a life president, as it was Kigezi which elected Museveni at 99% to the Kigezi Generals being able to throw Museveni out. With out Kigezi there seem to be no Uganda. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania So? You got a problem with who I am? And why are you hiding under some Mwirima Byaruhanga on the internent like everyone else? Come out and let us see. Until then, just shut up!, for you know very little. Ocii Mwirima Byaruhanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ocii, dont be on the offensive. that style of writting usually tells a few things: - you cannot relay your message eloquently in real life and choose to 'hide behind email' - you fear to be challenged. - you do not know how to win an argument peacefully. either way, as Edward says, your abusive writting style
Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Ocii With all due respect, D Kiiza Besigye left the Movement not on political grounds but because when he and the rest of Movmentists went to DRC to loot, they looted but Museveni's representatives cut out Besigye in the split of the loot. Besigye has absolutely no single problem with Museveni, that is why (a) You have never got any new information about Museveni from Besigye. For example has he told you who killed Andrew Kayiira even though he was the junior minister of internal affairs, who even Ssemogerere has publicly stated that he was handed the Kayiira's file? Has Besigye ever told you who killed our people for example the Ndeeba Doctor's village, The Dr Barlow's, the Kanungu massacres. Ocii what details have you got from this man claiming to have ran out of Museveni? In other wards how has Besigye's defection from the Movment helped you to understand the inner working of the Movement that you did not know when Besigye was still an insider? Which brings me to (b) Dr. Kiiza Besigye has no where to go but to join the Movement and get a job. And trust me he will. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania You are dead wrong. Its not Kigezi that can save Uganda but Ugandans. Kizza Besigye plus others who rebeled against the very system that recruited them to fight Mu7's war in Uganda realised after some years of politics grounded on hatred toward other Ugandans that that definitely is not the way for Uganda as a nation. Mu7's strategy is to kill off those he hate; that is why he concentrated in killing off his supposed opponents, using various means: scorched earth; combing; concentration camps etc, from the North and NorthEast of the country! Late Apollo Milton Obote on THE CONCEALMENT OF GENOCIDE IN UGANDA, wrote: In March 1990, Museveni moved physically to Kumi District in the East and remained there for 18 days where he took command of his army against rebels. The war, which according to him, had ended was being prosecuted by him, some nine months later, with the greatest brutalities. The entire population of Kumi District or whatever number remained alive from previous massacres, have now been forced into concentration camps and Museveni is personally commanding his army in the destruction of homes and property. Considering that the population of Kumi (1979 census) was, in round figures 350,000, the number of the entire population of the District which has not (1990) been herded in camps is extremely ominous. The number being given is 150,000; that certainly can not be the entire population of Kumi. The missing 200,000 and more appear to be of no interest or concern to those who have created walls to protect Museveni and conceal his genocide. Kumi is the District where on several previous occasions, the NRA rounded young men and had them burnt, gassed or starved to death in Railway wagons. The latest such deed was in July 1989. Museveni and his army have been engaged in the orgies of killings in this District like others in the North and East since 1986. Kumi like its Northern neighbors of Soroti and Lira was a cattle area. This time as the people went to concentration camps, there was no cattle at all in the villages; the animals in Kumi are to be found in the NRA barracks; which is also the case in the Districts of Soroti, Lira, Apac, Kitgum and Gulu. Depopulation strategy. Now, Dr. Besigye realised this about ten years ago and rebeled, while you Mulindwa openly states: I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. What you forget so quickly is that when Ugandans invaded the country from Tanzania way back in the early 70s to remove Amin, many Ugandan invaders perished not in the hands of Amin's soldiers! But in the hand of you know who..! Read Dr. Obote's writings to know more. My question to you: Was Dr. Besigye among those who invaded Uganda from Tanzania to remove Amin? If Dr. Besigye was indeed among these guerilla troops of which eventually many perished but not in the hands of Amin's soldiers, then sure Dr. Besigye is a dangerous guy who crafted the policy to liquidate these guerilla men and woman. However, if Dr. Besigye was not among these men then you need to stop playing with adults here in this forum. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the reasons FDC has failed so miserably is a total failure of communication, and this has been witnessed from rally to demonstrations to forums. For some reason
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You see, this is where you are either an idiot, or a silly informer. Besigye is not in power; he is done with the system. What Ugandans need is to rally the forces now jettisoning the movement system from their minds, due to their historical experiences, to galvanize the nation into a political force to bring about the much needed change, which of course is coming. I asked you whether Besigye was in Tanzania when Ugandan refugees in that country invaded the country way back in the 70s, then under Amin. You cannot answer. I even quoted Dr. Obote on the ways of Mu7 whom you can vote for anytime. Have you laboured to defend him? Instead you are railing against Dr. Besigye, as to whether he made public who killed those you enumerated as having been killed! Kumi District, late Dr. Obote pointed out, was depopulated from a population of 350, 000 people in 1979 to 150, 000 people in 1990, going by the census result of that year. These people were not killed by Dr. Besigye, but by the system that he, Dr. Besigye has disagreed with. Why you even opine Dr. Besigye has nowhere to go but back to the movement system is quite idiotic at best. And the reason strategists can not and must never be duped by your silly and idiotic point of view. Mulindwa you can not be smart! Do you in your right mind think Dr. Besigye, after rebelling against the system he ended up disagreeing with, would delve into releasing such information as to who killed who much too early? Assuming he knows who killed who, such information can never be release like it is a simple or matter of jokes! Even if you are one of those killers, of which Dr. Besigye is privy to such info, he is not going to point you Mulindwa from among the crowd like you are requesting he does, or just because he has abandoned the very system of which these people got killed under! Such are not simple matters. Dr. Besigye is not the system that these people got killed under. He is an individual who, having been in the system, has disagreed with it. The only best thing Ugandans who disagree with the system can do is receive the Besigyes with open arms to move the country forward. Uganda is not anybody's personal property. The sooner the movement bigwigs realise this the better, instead of Mu7 looting wananchi's wealth and siphoning it to Tanzania to build so called Mu7's schools; or looting 29billion Uganda shillings and giving it to the Madhvanis while Uganda children perish in camps; and many cannot even go to school because of poverty in their homes. You are talking to adults here. There are people in camps meeting their deaths variously. I am sure the last thing they want is idiotic ranting. Some of you peoples' problem is fear of the past; that is why movementist always try by any means necessary to bring back into the system, those who rebeled from it! Now, although you have been railing against recycled leadership, you are predicting the same fate for Dr, Besigye, that he has nowhere to go but back to movement system whose leader you Mulindwa made clear you can vote for anytime! Now who is fooling who? Like I said, you cannot be very smart! Period. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii With all due respect, D Kiiza Besigye left the Movement not on political grounds but because when he and the rest of Movmentists went to DRC to loot, they looted but Museveni's representatives cut out Besigye in the split of the loot. Besigye has absolutely no single problem with Museveni, that is why (a) You have never got any new information about Museveni from Besigye. For example has he told you who killed Andrew Kayiira even though he was the junior minister of internal affairs, who even Ssemogerere has publicly stated that he was handed the Kayiira's file? Has Besigye ever told you who killed our people for example the Ndeeba Doctor's village, The Dr Barlow's, the Kanungu massacres. Ocii what details have you got from this man claiming to have ran out of Museveni? In other wards how has Besigye's defection from the Movment helped you to understand the inner working of the Movement that you did not know when Besigye was still an insider? Which brings me to (b) Dr. Kiiza Besigye has no where to go but to join the Movement and get a job. And trust me he will. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania You are dead wrong. Its not Kigezi that can save Uganda but Ugandans. Kizza Besigye plus others who rebeled against the very system that recruited them to fight Mu7's war in Uganda realised after
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EM: Can I whisper a few words! You are making no head way so to say...with this your argument. Indeed, many Intelligent Ugandans here may rightly conclude that you are engaged in some sort of market argument with a drunkard! MK Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii With all due respect, D Kiiza Besigye left the Movement not on political grounds but because when he and the rest of Movmentists went to DRC to loot, they looted but Museveni's representatives cut out Besigye in the split of the loot. Besigye has absolutely no single problem with Museveni, that is why (a) You have never got any new information about Museveni from Besigye. For example has he told you who killed Andrew Kayiira even though he was the junior minister of internal affairs, who even Ssemogerere has publicly stated that he was handed the Kayiira's file? Has Besigye ever told you who killed our people for example the Ndeeba Doctor's village, The Dr Barlow's, the Kanungu massacres. Ocii what details have you got from this man claiming to have ran out of Museveni? In other wards how has Besigye's defection from the Movment helped you to understand the inner working of the Movement that you did not know when Besigye was still an insider? Which brings me to (b) Dr. Kiiza Besigye has no where to go but to join the Movement and get a job. And trust me he will. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From:ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends ofUganda Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:31PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Musevenischools in Tanzania You are dead wrong. Its not Kigezi that can save Uganda but Ugandans. Kizza Besigye plus others who rebeled against the very system that recruited them to fight Mu7's war in Uganda realised after some years of politics grounded on hatred toward other Ugandans that that definitely is not the way for Uganda as a nation. Mu7's strategy is to kill off those he hate; that is why he concentrated in killing off his supposed opponents, using various means: scorched earth; combing; concentration camps etc, from theNorth and NorthEast of the country! Late Apollo Milton Obote on THE CONCEALMENT OF GENOCIDE INUGANDA, wrote: In March 1990, Museveni moved physically toKumi District in the East and remained there for 18 days where he took commandof his army against rebels. The war, which according to him, had ended wasbeing prosecuted by him, some nine months later, with the greatestbrutalities. The entire population of Kumi District or whatever numberremained alive from previous massacres, have now been forced intoconcentration camps and Museveni is personally commanding his army in thedestruction of homes and property. Considering that the population of Kumi(1979 census) was, in round figures 350,000, the number of the entirepopulation of the District which has not (1990) been herded in camps isextremely ominous. The number being given is 150,000; that certainly can notbe the entire population of Kumi. The missing 200,000 and more appear to be ofno interest or concern to those who have created walls to protect Museveni andconceal his genocide. Kumi is the District where on several previousoccasions, the NRA rounded young men and had them burnt, gassed or starved todeath in Railway wagons. The latest such deed was in July 1989. Museveni andhis army have been engaged in the orgies of killings in this District likeothers in the North and East since 1986. Kumi like its Northern neighbors ofSoroti and Lira was a cattle area. This time as the people went toconcentration camps, there was no cattle at all in the villages; the animalsin Kumi are to be found in the NRA barracks; which is also the case in theDistricts of Soroti, Lira, Apac, Kitgum and Gulu. Depopulation strategy. Now, Dr. Besigye realised this about ten years ago and rebeled, while you Mulindwa openly states: I am scared of FDC for ifthese people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effectivefor twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye anytime. What you forget so quickly is that when Ugandansinvaded the country from Tanzania way back in the early 70s to remove Amin,many Ugandan invaders perished not in the hands of Amin's soldiers! But in thehand of you know who..! Read Dr. Obote's writings to know more. My question to you: Was Dr. Besigye among those who invaded Uganda from Tanzania to remove Amin? If Dr. Besigye was indeed among these guerilla troops of which eventually many perished
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Ocii The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! So are you saying that if Museveni instructs you to blow up people belonging to the 35th brigade as Mande did you go ahead for Museveni has instructed you, you are stating that if you are instructed to rape 9 year olds as UPDF is doing in North right now you will do so for you are only being instructed by those that are crafting the scotch policy of the North, so we should not hold you responsible for your actions. You are in essence instructing us not to hunt down those that served in the Nazi Germany for they were following Hitler's instructions and the Rwandese should be only looking for Habyalimaana. No sir I am sorry I will not do that if you are a soldier and instructed to kill people you better be ready to back up your actions for you will be held responsible, this nonsense of Black Mambas the kids that we know has started this sermon and ferociously that we must only condemn the architects. My friend if you went to the court and beat up the people you will also be held responsible. Mulindwa, are you going to boot out every single Ugandan who work for the NRA/M government? 100% I am tired of using the recycles. If you decide to take the recycles why not all of them, and where do you draw the line, for example are you taking Kainehura or Mande alone, are you taking Mugisha Muntu who Museveni kidnapped a 15 year old right from here in Toronto and forced into marriage or you are only taking Tinyefunza, is it Besigye only or you are taking Ofono Opondo, is Museveni's wife good since she was even elected into parliament or you are taking Wafla Oguttu who told us very clearly to shut up for Museveni is the only man that clean up Uganda. Where do you start and stop when you are recycling these God created to be the only people leading Uganda SIR!!! It simply frustrates when Ugandans start to plead for these rapists and murderers when the Jews are not only looking for the soldiers that served in Nazi Germany but the enablers. No wonder you are still kneeling before teh queen under a wealth that is no common at all. I have a forum right now where a member's Landover was taken by Mugisha Muntu at gun point, and Muntu drove it for as long as he wanted, and you want us to blame Museveni for he was the one that crafted these things. We live in very strange days indeed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa please go to bed. If you don't see the flaws in your arguments, then there is something serious to be questioned. If Besigye crafted the movement policies that have seen it through 20 years now, why is it difficult for him, for the last ten or so years, to craft policies that should have brought it, the NRA/M, down by now? Perhaps this I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. in colour is what readers should pay attention to, to understand a little more. You continued And politics is never a profession, they have tried and failed, some like Besgiye even stood twice and lost, let them move on. Are you being serious? What opposition leadership in Uganda has tried and succeeded? Tell us? Has the UPC leadership tried and succeeded? What about the DP; CP, etc. Have they all tried and succeeded? Or, they have not tried at all maybe, therefore they should be the only ones to be allowed to try on and on, while Mulindwa votes for Museveni each time the Beigyes try? Mulindwa take such childish argument away and far. Then again you stated Well if that is true why do you consider me not being smart when I get bothered of not only Museveni but Colonel Samson Mande whose name appears on the certificate of origin, as a buyer of the Missile that took the plane down? Simple: Because you don't understand what are being said. As simple as that. Mulindwa, are you going to boot out every single Ugandan who work for the NRA/M government? The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! Get that and understand it clearly. It will help. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii I am trying my best not to get entangled into your arguments for I have seen them way long to burn my gas but let me respond to you as brief as I can. I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote
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ocii wrote thus on 13/07/2007 16:26: The problem again Mulindwa, you don't understand what are being said!!! Just butt out if you don't know what you are doing, that will caused you great damgage. I said there are systemic approach to everything; apparently you could not make head or tail out of it!! Ocii, is it hard enough to explain your point without getting at people? For example, one may also ask you to butt out if you cannot write proper english and cannot use correct tenses. I am certain it would make you reply using the same words as butt out or tail out, but you wouldn't have put your point across! You have nothing to lose, and absolutely everything to gain by being polite. -ebm ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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The problem again Mulindwa, you don't understand what are being said!!! Just butt out if you don't know what you are doing, that will caused you great damgage. I said there are systemic approach to everything; apparently you could not make head or tail out of it!! Uganda is bigger than any individual and to bring about change, one must be extremely meticulous. You cannot vote for Mu7 anytime, but resort to fight little fish around him, when he is the architect of the current helplessness in the country!! Those who clobbered the Nazis did not go after the little fish around Hitler They made sure they killed Hitler first!!!, and anything else came after! Do you understand what I am saying or no?? If not butt out; simply butt out!! I am not going to say much, but be very careful. One more thing. Why should Rwandese look for Habyalimana? Why not focus on Kagame whom together with Mu7 brought all the killings and genocide in the country? Answer that so we hear. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! So are you saying that if Museveni instructs you to blow up people belonging to the 35th brigade as Mande did you go ahead for Museveni has instructed you, you are stating that if you are instructed to rape 9 year olds as UPDF is doing in North right now you will do so for you are only being instructed by those that are crafting the scotch policy of the North, so we should not hold you responsible for your actions. You are in essence instructing us not to hunt down those that served in the Nazi Germany for they were following Hitler's instructions and the Rwandese should be only looking for Habyalimaana. No sir I am sorry I will not do that if you are a soldier and instructed to kill people you better be ready to back up your actions for you will be held responsible, this nonsense of Black Mambas the kids that we know has started this sermon and ferociously that we must only condemn the architects. My friend if you went to the court and beat up the people you will also be held responsible. Mulindwa, are you going to boot out every single Ugandan who work for the NRA/M government? 100% I am tired of using the recycles. If you decide to take the recycles why not all of them, and where do you draw the line, for example are you taking Kainehura or Mande alone, are you taking Mugisha Muntu who Museveni kidnapped a 15 year old right from here in Toronto and forced into marriage or you are only taking Tinyefunza, is it Besigye only or you are taking Ofono Opondo, is Museveni's wife good since she was even elected into parliament or you are taking Wafla Oguttu who told us very clearly to shut up for Museveni is the only man that clean up Uganda. Where do you start and stop when you are recycling these God created to be the only people leading Uganda SIR!!! It simply frustrates when Ugandans start to plead for these rapists and murderers when the Jews are not only looking for the soldiers that served in Nazi Germany but the enablers. No wonder you are still kneeling before teh queen under a wealth that is no common at all. I have a forum right now where a member's Landover was taken by Mugisha Muntu at gun point, and Muntu drove it for as long as he wanted, and you want us to blame Museveni for he was the one that crafted these things. We live in very strange days indeed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa please go to bed. If you don't see the flaws in your arguments, then there is something serious to be questioned. If Besigye crafted the movement policies that have seen it through 20 years now, why is it difficult for him, for the last ten or so years, to craft policies that should have brought it, the NRA/M, down by now? Perhaps this I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. in colour is what readers should pay attention to, to understand a little more. You continued And politics is never a profession, they have tried and failed, some like Besgiye even stood twice and lost, let them move on. Are you being serious? What opposition leadership in Uganda has tried and succeeded? Tell us? Has the UPC leadership tried and succeeded? What about the DP; CP, etc. Have they all tried and succeeded? Or, they have not tried at all maybe, therefore they should
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Ocii There is no question Museveni must go but so are all those that built him to what he is. Now since you have a problem following what I am responding, let me clarify about your small fish Uganda needs a commission of inquiry where all Ugandans that have suffered under Museveni and under your Small fish can stand up and state what they know about all of these people. After that inquiry then we can move ahead, but I am not going to sit in Toronto and state that the problem is Museveni and not his small fish Just on record there is no government of Uganda where Ugandans have collected as much as the data about all the participants into these genocides. Let us please respect the good work they have done by allowing them to have a day in court than recycling these people the way you are trying to do. What is so interesting the most is that FDC has privately and publicly refused to offer a commission of inquiry on any matter in Uganda if it ever gets to power. That is when I separated from that party. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania The problem again Mulindwa, you don't understand what are being said!!! Just butt out if you don't know what you are doing, that will caused you great damgage. I said there are systemic approach to everything; apparently you could not make head or tail out of it!! Uganda is bigger than any individual and to bring about change, one must be extremely meticulous. You cannot vote for Mu7 anytime, but resort to fight little fish around him, when he is the architect of the current helplessness in the country!! Those who clobbered the Nazis did not go after the little fish around Hitler They made sure they killed Hitler first!!!, and anything else came after! Do you understand what I am saying or no?? If not butt out; simply butt out!! I am not going to say much, but be very careful. One more thing. Why should Rwandese look for Habyalimana? Why not focus on Kagame whom together with Mu7 brought all the killings and genocide in the country? Answer that so we hear. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! So are you saying that if Museveni instructs you to blow up people belonging to the 35th brigade as Mande did you go ahead for Museveni has instructed you, you are stating that if you are instructed to rape 9 year olds as UPDF is doing in North right now you will do so for you are only being instructed by those that are crafting the scotch policy of the North, so we should not hold you responsible for your actions. You are in essence instructing us not to hunt down those that served in the Nazi Germany for they were following Hitler's instructions and the Rwandese should be only looking for Habyalimaana. No sir I am sorry I will not do that if you are a soldier and instructed to kill people you better be ready to back up your actions for you will be held responsible, this nonsense of Black Mambas the kids that we know has started this sermon and ferociously that we must only condemn the architects. My friend if you went to the court and beat up the people you will also be held responsible. Mulindwa, are you going to boot out every single Ugandan who work for the NRA/M government? 100% I am tired of using the recycles. If you decide to take the recycles why not all of them, and where do you draw the line, for example are you taking Kainehura or Mande alone, are you taking Mugisha Muntu who Museveni kidnapped a 15 year old right from here in Toronto and forced into marriage or you are only taking Tinyefunza, is it Besigye only or you are taking Ofono Opondo, is Museveni's wife good since she was even elected into parliament or you are taking Wafla Oguttu who told us very clearly to shut up for Museveni is the only man that clean up Uganda. Where do you start and stop when you are recycling these God created to be the only people leading Uganda SIR!!! It simply frustrates when Ugandans start to plead for these rapists and murderers when the Jews are not only looking for the soldiers that served in Nazi Germany but the enablers. No wonder you are still kneeling before teh queen under a wealth that is no common at all. I have a forum right now where a member's Landover was taken by Mugisha Muntu at gun point, and Muntu drove it for as long as he wanted, and you want us to blame Museveni for he was the one that crafted these things. We live in very strange days indeed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas
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Mwirima, You most definitely have difficulties reading or understanding what is written. What part of butt out don't you understand? Are you still stuck in kindergarten or you are merely a case of an inferior Ugandan who strive strenuously to appear one who know english language so well? I can write english in any form I chose; it is not my mother tongue. Is that just about clear? Ocii Mwirima Byaruhanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ocii wrote thus on 13/07/2007 16:26: The problem again Mulindwa, you don't understand what are being said!!! Just butt out if you don't know what you are doing, that will caused you great damgage. I said there are systemic approach to everything; apparently you could not make head or tail out of it!! Ocii, is it hard enough to explain your point without getting at people? For example, one may also ask you to butt out if you cannot write proper english and cannot use correct tenses. I am certain it would make you reply using the same words as butt out or tail out, but you wouldn't have put your point across! You have nothing to lose, and absolutely everything to gain by being polite. -ebm ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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Mulindwa, You are so confused to the point of being wacky, if not already. Before the so called commission of inquiry of yours come to life, there must first be a means to establish it. It is 20 years already, and not even the UPC has that means. You must stop dreaming. If you don't read beyond what are written, just butt out. Don't ever try to continually scuttle a process. I will repeat again, there are systemic approaches to everything. Understood? Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii There is no question Museveni must go but so are all those that built him to what he is. Now since you have a problem following what I am responding, let me clarify about your small fish Uganda needs a commission of inquiry where all Ugandans that have suffered under Museveni and under your Small fish can stand up and state what they know about all of these people. After that inquiry then we can move ahead, but I am not going to sit in Toronto and state that the problem is Museveni and not his small fish Just on record there is no government of Uganda where Ugandans have collected as much as the data about all the participants into these genocides. Let us please respect the good work they have done by allowing them to have a day in court than recycling these people the way you are trying to do. What is so interesting the most is that FDC has privately and publicly refused to offer a commission of inquiry on any matter in Uganda if it ever gets to power. That is when I separated from that party. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania The problem again Mulindwa, you don't understand what are being said!!! Just butt out if you don't know what you are doing, that will caused you great damgage. I said there are systemic approach to everything; apparently you could not make head or tail out of it!! Uganda is bigger than any individual and to bring about change, one must be extremely meticulous. You cannot vote for Mu7 anytime, but resort to fight little fish around him, when he is the architect of the current helplessness in the country!! Those who clobbered the Nazis did not go after the little fish around Hitler They made sure they killed Hitler first!!!, and anything else came after! Do you understand what I am saying or no?? If not butt out; simply butt out!! I am not going to say much, but be very careful. One more thing. Why should Rwandese look for Habyalimana? Why not focus on Kagame whom together with Mu7 brought all the killings and genocide in the country? Answer that so we hear. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! So are you saying that if Museveni instructs you to blow up people belonging to the 35th brigade as Mande did you go ahead for Museveni has instructed you, you are stating that if you are instructed to rape 9 year olds as UPDF is doing in North right now you will do so for you are only being instructed by those that are crafting the scotch policy of the North, so we should not hold you responsible for your actions. You are in essence instructing us not to hunt down those that served in the Nazi Germany for they were following Hitler's instructions and the Rwandese should be only looking for Habyalimaana. No sir I am sorry I will not do that if you are a soldier and instructed to kill people you better be ready to back up your actions for you will be held responsible, this nonsense of Black Mambas the kids that we know has started this sermon and ferociously that we must only condemn the architects. My friend if you went to the court and beat up the people you will also be held responsible. Mulindwa, are you going to boot out every single Ugandan who work for the NRA/M government? 100% I am tired of using the recycles. If you decide to take the recycles why not all of them, and where do you draw the line, for example are you taking Kainehura or Mande alone, are you taking Mugisha Muntu who Museveni kidnapped a 15 year old right from here in Toronto and forced into marriage or you are only taking Tinyefunza, is it Besigye only or you are taking Ofono Opondo, is Museveni's wife good since she was even elected into parliament or you are taking Wafla Oguttu who told us very clearly to shut up for Museveni is the only man that clean up Uganda. Where do you start and stop when you are recycling these God created to be the only people leading Uganda SIR!!! It simply
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Mulindwa, That process is already being created by the movementists turn coats called today FDC. You can take that or leave it! It is your choice. If you can vote for Mu7 anytime then you must be really an idiot to make the satement below. Simply put, there isn't much you can do about the FDC unseating the movement govt eventually. I am not an FDC, but with close to 40% support in the nation, there is no point of return. The process is on and never fool yourself that you can scuttle it. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii And that process can never be created by the Movementists turn Coats called today FDC. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, You are so confused to the point of being wacky, if not already. Before the so called commission of inquiry of yours come to life, there must first be a means to establish it. It is 20 years already, and not even the UPC has that means. You must stop dreaming. If you don't read beyond what are written, just butt out. Don't ever try to continually scuttle a process. I will repeat again, there are systemic approaches to everything. Understood? Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii There is no question Museveni must go but so are all those that built him to what he is. Now since you have a problem following what I am responding, let me clarify about your small fish Uganda needs a commission of inquiry where all Ugandans that have suffered under Museveni and under your Small fish can stand up and state what they know about all of these people. After that inquiry then we can move ahead, but I am not going to sit in Toronto and state that the problem is Museveni and not his small fish Just on record there is no government of Uganda where Ugandans have collected as much as the data about all the participants into these genocides. Let us please respect the good work they have done by allowing them to have a day in court than recycling these people the way you are trying to do. What is so interesting the most is that FDC has privately and publicly refused to offer a commission of inquiry on any matter in Uganda if it ever gets to power. That is when I separated from that party. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania The problem again Mulindwa, you don't understand what are being said!!! Just butt out if you don't know what you are doing, that will caused you great damgage. I said there are systemic approach to everything; apparently you could not make head or tail out of it!! Uganda is bigger than any individual and to bring about change, one must be extremely meticulous. You cannot vote for Mu7 anytime, but resort to fight little fish around him, when he is the architect of the current helplessness in the country!! Those who clobbered the Nazis did not go after the little fish around Hitler They made sure they killed Hitler first!!!, and anything else came after! Do you understand what I am saying or no?? If not butt out; simply butt out!! I am not going to say much, but be very careful. One more thing. Why should Rwandese look for Habyalimana? Why not focus on Kagame whom together with Mu7 brought all the killings and genocide in the country? Answer that so we hear. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! So are you saying that if Museveni instructs you to blow up people belonging to the 35th brigade as Mande did you go ahead for Museveni has instructed you, you are stating that if you are instructed to rape 9 year olds as UPDF is doing in North right now you will do so for you are only being instructed by those that are crafting the scotch policy of the North, so we should not hold you responsible for your actions. You are in essence instructing us not to hunt down those that served in the Nazi Germany for they were following Hitler's instructions and the Rwandese should be only looking for Habyalimaana. No sir I am sorry I will not do that if you are a soldier and instructed to kill people you better be ready to back up
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And you expect Mugisha Muntu who was a commanding officer of UPDF as it was burning Ugandans in Mukura to be on of the top leaders of FDC as these assets are being confiscated. Then you expect Colonel Samson Mande who was commanding in the North as the entire brigade 35 was murdered including their children and wives to start a party as FDC that will confiscate these assets. We have been right in this position when the Luwero war was running and we were called idiots for it is only Museveni that can remove Obote. Today the war of Uganda has been again personalized to the name Yoweri Museveni. Ugandans have every right not to involve them selves into such madness. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania These are the kinds of public fund embezzlements that keeps Uganda, and indeed Africa underdeveloped! Idiot leaders emebezzling public funds with impunity. Well, keep this plus many other issues alive. Eventually these individuals will have to pay back the money, or their wealth taken. Period. Ocii * MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Yasiin Mugerwa PARLIAMENT A PARLIAMENTARY committee has instituted a probe into circumstances under which President Yoweri Museveni spent Shs1.6 billion of tax-payers money to construct two schools in Tanzania. The Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee yesterday instructed its legal department to investigate the conditions under which the President committed public funds amounting to US$932,823.2 to build two secondary schools in Tanzania. The two schools include Nyamiyaga, Murongo located in Karagwe area and Nyarigamba, Muhutwe situated in Muleba District bordering Bokoba area. According to correspondences Daily Monitor has seen, the construction of the two schools began some time in 2005 after Multiplex Ltd, a Ugandan private company allegedly won the contract. The construction comes at a time when there is acute shortage of classrooms for Universal Primary Education and Universal Secondary Education in the country. Concern was raised after the committee learnt that the money (Shs1.6 billion) Mr Museveni used for the construction was charged on the donation account of the StateHouse budget without authority. The committee also heard that the two schools were a donation by Mr Museveni to the Tanzanians for their historical contribution to the 1979 liberation struggle that ousted the former President, late Idd Amin Dada from power. This is unacceptable as Parliament we cannot appropriate money for Tanzanians yet many Ugandans are still grappling with illiteracy. This money would have gone to Luweero District but not Tanzania, said Nandala Mafabi (Budadiri West) the committee chairperson. This was a Ugandan struggle not for Tanzanians. If the president wished to donate he would have used his personal savings not public resources. To bring this (donation) to our budget was wrong. Richard Muhinda, the Statehouse Comptroller said the money was part of President Museveni's donation item and is not limited to any country. The President is the fountain of honour and is free to donate to any person that deserves assistance in whatever locality, said Mr Muhinda. It had been an outstanding donation to the people of Tanzania and we had to squeeze our own budget (StateHouse) to fulfill this pledge. But the committee has established that even the circumstances under which Multiplex Ltd was awarded a $1 million contract to construct the two schools had loopholes. It is alleged that the tendering process was not clear since Mr Muhinda admitted that there was no advertising made inviting other bidders as the construction of both schools was an emergency. Mr Muhinda insists that there was no foul play because StateHouse used restrictive bidding involving Multiplex Ltd, Roko Construction Company Ltd, Transaction International and Complliant Engineers Trade Ltd. We offered the tender to Multiplex because they had a fair deal. Their rates were lower compared to others. I am proud to have been part of this project because it was transparent and we followed the law, Mr Muhinda said. But the committee wondered whether it would be possible for Tanzanian authorities to allow Ugandan Parliament to conduct a value-for money audit into the project. Daily Monitor has learnt that State House contract with Multiplex was not signed by any Multiplex official but instead with the Tanzanian government.
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Mulindwa, Why are you so scared of the FDC than even the movement govt that is running the country as we speak? And why are you scared shitfull of yourself of Kizza Besigye, Samson Mande, and Mugisha Muntu than Mu7 and his NRA/M running the country today? Do these people know something about you, you don't feel comfortable about? Inquiring mind would like to know! If not then I don't see why you should be so scared of the FDC which by and large is still under construction. Make sense to you? Everything that went wrong in Uganda including the assassination of former Rwandan president was diue to Mu7, who is the architect of it all. But you are instead attacking the Mandes, to perpetuate Mu7 in power maybe?, who were themselves recruits of Mu7 the architect. Mulindwa you cannot be very smart! I pitty you. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you expect Mugisha Muntu who was a commanding officer of UPDF as it was burning Ugandans in Mukura to be on of the top leaders of FDC as these assets are being confiscated. Then you expect Colonel Samson Mande who was commanding in the North as the entire brigade 35 was murdered including their children and wives to start a party as FDC that will confiscate these assets. We have been right in this position when the Luwero war was running and we were called idiots for it is only Museveni that can remove Obote. Today the war of Uganda has been again personalized to the name Yoweri Museveni. Ugandans have every right not to involve them selves into such madness. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania These are the kinds of public fund embezzlements that keeps Uganda, and indeed Africa underdeveloped! Idiot leaders emebezzling public funds with impunity. Well, keep this plus many other issues alive. Eventually these individuals will have to pay back the money, or their wealth taken. Period. Ocii * MPs probe Museveni schools in TanzaniaYasiin Mugerwa PARLIAMENT A PARLIAMENTARY committee has instituted a probe into circumstances under which President Yoweri Museveni spent Shs1.6 billion of tax-payers money to construct two schools in Tanzania. The Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee yesterday instructed its legal department to investigate the conditions under which the President committed public funds amounting to US$932,823.2 to build two secondary schools in Tanzania. The two schools include Nyamiyaga, Murongo located in Karagwe area and Nyarigamba, Muhutwe situated in Muleba District bordering Bokoba area. According to correspondences Daily Monitor has seen, the construction of the two schools began some time in 2005 after Multiplex Ltd, a Ugandan private company allegedly won the contract. The construction comes at a time when there is acute shortage of classrooms for Universal Primary Education and Universal Secondary Education in the country. Concern was raised after the committee learnt that the money (Shs1.6 billion) Mr Museveni used for the construction was charged on the donation account of the StateHouse budget without authority. The committee also heard that the two schools were a donation by Mr Museveni to the Tanzanians for their historical contribution to the 1979 liberation struggle that ousted the former President, late Idd Amin Dada from power. This is unacceptable as Parliament we cannot appropriate money for Tanzanians yet many Ugandans are still grappling with illiteracy. This money would have gone to Luweero District but not Tanzania, said Nandala Mafabi (Budadiri West) the committee chairperson. This was a Ugandan struggle not for Tanzanians. If the president wished to donate he would have used his personal savings not public resources. To bring this (donation) to our budget was wrong. Richard Muhinda, the Statehouse Comptroller said the money was part of President Musevenis donation item and is not limited to any country. The President is the fountain of honour and is free to donate to any person that deserves assistance in whatever locality, said Mr Muhinda. It had been an outstanding donation to the people of Tanzania and we had to squeeze our own budget (StateHouse) to fulfill this pledge. But the committee has established that even the circumstances under which Multiplex Ltd was awarded a $1 million contract to construct the two schools had loopholes. It is alleged that the tendering process was not clear since Mr Muhinda admitted that there was no advertising made inviting other bidders as the
Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Ocii I am trying my best not to get entangled into your arguments for I have seen them way long to burn my gas but let me respond to you as brief as I can. I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. And politics is never a profession, they have tried and failed, some like Besgiye even stood twice and lost, let them move on. Second you state and I quote Everything that went wrong in Uganda including the assassination of former Rwandan president was diue to Mu7, who is the architect of it all. End quote. Well if that is true why do you consider me not being smart when I get bothered of not only Museveni but Colonel Samson Mande whose name appears on the certificate of origin, as a buyer of the Missile that took the plane down? I am going to bed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, Why are you so scared of the FDC than even the movement govt that is running the country as we speak? And why are you scared shitfull of yourself of Kizza Besigye, Samson Mande, and Mugisha Muntu than Mu7 and his NRA/M running the country today? Do these people know something about you, you don't feel comfortable about? Inquiring mind would like to know! If not then I don't see why you should be so scared of the FDC which by and large is still under construction. Make sense to you? Everything that went wrong in Uganda including the assassination of former Rwandan president was diue to Mu7, who is the architect of it all. But you are instead attacking the Mandes, to perpetuate Mu7 in power maybe?, who were themselves recruits of Mu7 the architect. Mulindwa you cannot be very smart! I pitty you. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you expect Mugisha Muntu who was a commanding officer of UPDF as it was burning Ugandans in Mukura to be on of the top leaders of FDC as these assets are being confiscated. Then you expect Colonel Samson Mande who was commanding in the North as the entire brigade 35 was murdered including their children and wives to start a party as FDC that will confiscate these assets. We have been right in this position when the Luwero war was running and we were called idiots for it is only Museveni that can remove Obote. Today the war of Uganda has been again personalized to the name Yoweri Museveni. Ugandans have every right not to involve them selves into such madness. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania These are the kinds of public fund embezzlements that keeps Uganda, and indeed Africa underdeveloped! Idiot leaders emebezzling public funds with impunity. Well, keep this plus many other issues alive. Eventually these individuals will have to pay back the money, or their wealth taken. Period. Ocii * MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Yasiin Mugerwa PARLIAMENT A PARLIAMENTARY committee has instituted a probe into circumstances under which President Yoweri Museveni spent Shs1.6 billion of tax-payers money to construct two schools in Tanzania. The Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee yesterday instructed its legal department to investigate the conditions under which the President committed public funds amounting to US$932,823.2 to build two secondary schools in Tanzania. The two schools include Nyamiyaga, Murongo located in Karagwe area and Nyarigamba, Muhutwe situated in Muleba District bordering Bokoba area. According to correspondences Daily Monitor has seen, the construction of the two schools began some time in 2005 after Multiplex Ltd, a Ugandan private company allegedly won the contract. The construction comes at a time when there is acute shortage of classrooms for Universal Primary Education and Universal Secondary Education in the country. Concern was raised after the committee learnt that the money (Shs1.6 billion) Mr Museveni used for the construction was charged on the donation account of the StateHouse budget without authority. The committee also heard
Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Mulindwa please go to bed. If you don't see the flaws in your arguments, then there is something serious to be questioned. If Besigye crafted the movement policies that have seen it through 20 years now, why is it difficult for him, for the last ten or so years, to craft policies that should have brought it, the NRA/M, down by now? Perhaps this I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. in colour is what readers should pay attention to, to understand a little more. You continued And politics is never a profession, they have tried and failed, some like Besgiye even stood twice and lost, let them move on. Are you being serious? What opposition leadership in Uganda has tried and succeeded? Tell us? Has the UPC leadership tried and succeeded? What about the DP; CP, etc. Have they all tried and succeeded? Or, they have not tried at all maybe, therefore they should be the only ones to be allowed to try on and on, while Mulindwa votes for Museveni each time the Beigyes try? Mulindwa take such childish argument away and far. Then again you stated Well if that is true why do you consider me not being smart when I get bothered of not only Museveni but Colonel Samson Mande whose name appears on the certificate of origin, as a buyer of the Missile that took the plane down? Simple: Because you don't understand what are being said. As simple as that. Mulindwa, are you going to boot out every single Ugandan who work for the NRA/M government? The fundamental question here is NOT who bought the missile; BUT who ENGINEERED the entire scheme!! Get that and understand it clearly. It will help. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii I am trying my best not to get entangled into your arguments for I have seen them way long to burn my gas but let me respond to you as brief as I can. I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time. And politics is never a profession, they have tried and failed, some like Besgiye even stood twice and lost, let them move on. Second you state and I quote Everything that went wrong in Uganda including the assassination of former Rwandan president was diue to Mu7, who is the architect of it all. End quote. Well if that is true why do you consider me not being smart when I get bothered of not only Museveni but Colonel Samson Mande whose name appears on the certificate of origin, as a buyer of the Missile that took the plane down? I am going to bed. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania Mulindwa, Why are you so scared of the FDC than even the movement govt that is running the country as we speak? And why are you scared shitfull of yourself of Kizza Besigye, Samson Mande, and Mugisha Muntu than Mu7 and his NRA/M running the country today? Do these people know something about you, you don't feel comfortable about? Inquiring mind would like to know! If not then I don't see why you should be so scared of the FDC which by and large is still under construction. Make sense to you? Everything that went wrong in Uganda including the assassination of former Rwandan president was diue to Mu7, who is the architect of it all. But you are instead attacking the Mandes, to perpetuate Mu7 in power maybe?, who were themselves recruits of Mu7 the architect. Mulindwa you cannot be very smart! I pitty you. Ocii Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you expect Mugisha Muntu who was a commanding officer of UPDF as it was burning Ugandans in Mukura to be on of the top leaders of FDC as these assets are being confiscated. Then you expect Colonel Samson Mande who was commanding in the North as the entire brigade 35 was murdered including their children and wives to start a party as FDC that will confiscate these assets. We have been right in this position when the Luwero war was running and we were called idiots for it is only Museveni that can remove Obote. Today the war of Uganda has been again personalized to the name Yoweri Museveni. Ugandans have every right not to involve them selves into such madness. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans
