Re: [UC] Re: [UCNeighbors] How to get banned from the UC Neighbors listserve (was re: rigged meetings)
Glenn, haven't the orderlies put you to bed yet? - Mike V. Glenn glen...@earthlink.net wrote: Brian Siano writes: I see absolutely no reason to let Glenn on this listserv. Because Kyle made a mere joke about pre-banning him, Glenn _threatened legal action_ to have the list shut down. As Kyle says, Glenn's attempt at censoring this list _worked,_, forcing its migration to Google Groups. Glenn maintains that he's the victim here. And Rich seems to think that we should be forced to accept this malignant clown on the list. He is not entitled to appear on every list out there, especially ones where he clearly intends to be an angry, disruptive, insulting, mean-spirited source of lies and personal attacks. Wow Rick. We haven't had this kind of mean spirited lies, group straw men and personal attacks on the public list since Siano, Mikey V, and the others concentrated on their segregated audience. They spewed this venom on the public list the same way. But now, they don't have to worry because I can't show the subscribers of UC Neighbors their true colors nor refute the outright lies. Thanks again for trying to be a voice of reason! Reading your forwards reminds me of the terrible effect these jackasses had on public discussions! I couldn't have exposed their tactics better than they just did themselves. Peace, Glenn On 3/19/2012 11:33 PM, Richard Conrad wrote: You had to use the term garbage? This is like an all or nothing contest of good and bad and you are the hero keeping people safe from garbage? I'm obnoxious; and you have said I don't learn and force things on people? Even though truth for you is a tactic for winning! You call someone who can't respond a Malignant clown but at least you are a perfect opposite now that you've said it. What a hero!! I know you'll tell me you don't give two shits what I think... but I wish you could express other than sheer emotional certitude about people because I have profound positive feelings for you and for Glenn as well. On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Brian Siano wrote: On 3/19/12, Richard Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net wrote: I'm sending this to the listserve and to Glenn who now can see that Kyle has stated he CAN join the listserve and according to this email by Kyle he was not pre-banned and can join the listserve if he wants to, which would mean I would not ever have to consider forwarding any of his emails - and thus can avoid Kyle's ire (as Kyle has used his power to censor me before and expressed his request to me off line to NOT forward Glenn's things to the listserve). Thank you Kyle for your current level of patience and thank you Glenn for your input, now everyone is encouraged by me to shake hands and come out sharing, politely and responsibly!! I'd like to mention that the only time Glenn's ever been an issue on _this_ list is when Rich Conrad insisted on bringing Glenn's garbage over here. This was obnoxious behavior on Rich's part. I'd hoped that he'd learned that it's not his duty to force people to read Glenn Moyer's comments. Apparently that's not the case. I see absolutely no reason to let Glenn on this listserv. Because Kyle made a mere joke about pre-banning him, Glenn _threatened legal action_ to have the list shut down. As Kyle says, Glenn's attempt at censoring this list _worked,_, forcing its migration to Google Groups. Glenn maintains that he's the victim here. And Rich seems to think that we should be forced to accept this malignant clown on the list. He is not entitled to appear on every list out there, especially ones where he clearly intends to be an angry, disruptive, insulting, mean-spirited source of lies and personal attacks. Glenn has never had any problems in posting to the univcity purple list. Nobody's preventing him from doing that. It still has hundreds of subscribers. Let him stay there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the UCNeighbors group. To post to this group, send email to u...@ucneighbors.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ucneighbors?hl=en You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.927 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4280 - Release Date: 03/19/12 03:34:00
Re: [UC] Rape at Gunpoint, 900 block of 48th St., 10 pm Tuesday night
If you think that Glenn is trying to open a dialogue and not just indulging in his typical mean-spirited ego-masturbation, you must have been on a different UC listserv for the last eight years. I used to think that his mad rants were a result of crass economic interests intersecting with a dirty mouth and a general lack of ethics and civility, but over the years I've actually come to think that he's got real personal problems, and he tries to exorcise his demons with the email equivalent of a man on SEPTA exposing himself to little girls. By casting himself as the David to the Goliath of some shadow conspiracy that seeks to ruin the lives of west philly residents by cleaning up fallen trees and discarded mattresses and providing free safety escorts to local residents, Glenn gets to feel like a big shot crusader instead of some impotent gasbag in a sweat-stained undershirt and mismatched house slippers. But that's just me. - Mike . Richard Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net wrote: The opposite of a screed is what, a bombast?? Glenn did not talk about robbery and sexual assault as not very concerning but rather as being related to racism, disrespect and poverty and the economic situation now being economic madness and that we must see oppression as being a crime that contributed to conditions which probably effected a lot of whatever crime takes place or just took place.. On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Mike VanHelder wrote: It's amazing how Glenn manages to turn a thread about a robbery and sexual assault into another paranoid and vitriolic anti-UCD/Penn/government/Martian screed. Well, I guess amazing is the wrong word, since I'm not surprised so much as disgusted again and again and again. WATCH THE SKIES, CITIZENS! THE MARTIANS ARE COMING! - Mike V. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Glenn glen...@earthlink.net wrote: On 9/14/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Clarke wrote: It may be time again to organize a town watch for the neighborhood(s), since town watch works the best when it is localized in specific areas. Joe Clarke Joe, I recall conversations with former town watch participants, when I was first blowing the whistle about the real purposes of UCD and the gentrification. As I recall, supports were withdrawn from town watch because high income consumers would be made cleaner and safer through the gentrification. If residents became dependent on and obedient to the new saviors, there was supposedly no reason for town watch anymore than the great culture that we created ourselves. Crime is correlated to income inequality and not a simple lack of material possessions. I'm sure that increases in chronic stress, desperation, and powerlessness would also predict increased crime. The gentrification solutions that have been shoved down our throats are not only fake, but actually increase the likelihood of violent senseless crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that there is not more crime, but we've known for a long time that learned helplessness defines the lives of most people in third world America. But violent crime shouldn't be surprising anyone in our violent immoral society. Joe, the work you are doing with a youth chess club is wonderful, and is one small example of projects that make society a safer place. (I've taught chess before to gifted kids and I would love to help you if I were in Philadelphia consistently). I would make chess part of the junior high curriculum for all kids. When we had a strong UNDIVIDED community, we had a great culture and were much safer. The police state does not make any of us safer, while we lose our souls and freedom. The University of Plutocracy and their corporate cronies should be forced to pay their fare share of taxes or payments for services in lieu of taxes. Then, we could support town watch, community driven culture, and the compassionate/empowering interventions that will help crime be reduced to a minimum. (Boston University pays five million a year to the city of Boston) Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. b�q诊x-�+yƮ�쨹���r��y�h����gjg�Rx� +rN�r��z�ߢ��r�z)ߢ���*'�硶�� 0�(��b��m�
Re: [UC] News about Clark Park herbicide
Attention loyal citizens! We must beware the FOCP/Penn/Cassidy/Anarcho-communist/Jacobite/Martian conspiracy, as Glenn warns! Today it's basic gardening technique -- how dare the Martians use the nation's most common weed killer, of the same sort that almost everyone has in their garages, without a public trial, over which Citizen Glenn can preside -- and tomorrow, who knows?! Having lost the fight against fluoridated water, tooth fillings and the voices in his head due to our shameful lack of support for his street corner rantings, Glenn can't do this alone! Rise up, citizens! Rise up against the planting of unauthorized shrubs, and the killing of innocent ragweeds by insidious, commonly available herbicidal solutions! Today they come for our weeds, but tomorrow, might it not be... our children!? - Mike V. Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Glenn moyer glen...@earthlink.net wrote:
Re: [UC] Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11
In my years of experience on this listserv, I have found that the best way to read Glenn's posts involve substituting Penn or UCD or Clark Park Committee or whoever his bogeyman-du-jour is with the Martians, Sasquatch or, occasionally, the pixies that live in my teeth. Then I picture him typing away in his egg-stained bathrobe, an old remote control duct-taped to his forehead and his teeth blacked out with magic marker in an effort to keep the black helicopters from reading his neutral patterns. Not only its this immensely entertaining, but I have found that it diminishes the cogency, relevance and believability of his rants not one iota. - Mike V. Glenn glen...@earthlink.net wrote: On 4/29/2011 12:30 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote: I apologize for any misinterpretation on my part, however the general tone of most of Glenn's emails is that the public is excluded from use of the park, of which I have seen little evidence Darco, You just did it again. Maybe if you would work on your reading skills, you would not be so annoyed and annoying. This is completely untrue! I have reported for the past 10 years that the public, and park user groups, have been intentionally excluded from the park planning meetings and the backroom deals regarding major changes to Clark Park. Why do you continue to seriously misrepresent my positions and then get annoyed at the false positions? If you agree with my big picture view, as you say, you would know that I am committed to the principals of democratic societies. Transparency and inclusion are the most fundamental principles of a republic, and when a society abandons these they will always lose their rights. Those principles and rights are not just vital for national issues but also for local issues. The idea that these principles can be abandoned in hopes of trickle down corporate money, and brought back when it's really important is absurd. That is the stupidity that caused the collapsing of America, and the evil that is being done to my oppressed brothers and sisters around the planet ! This slippery slope of part time principles, that you seem to have faith in, was rampant in this neighborhood. It compelled me to stand up to the mad rush for plutocracy, which was obvious under the Penn gentrification model ten years ago. I knew that I would be abused for taking a principled stand and for trying to get our sleepwalking neighbors to wake up! I happened to be quite involved with Clark Park when Penn decided to save the neighborhood, and called me and my neighbors criminals! I was in the position to blow the whistle and have always considered it my duty. I grow weary of his long rants and little factual evidence regarding the local conspiracy. What annoyed others, who've told me to shut up, was the incredible body of evidence that I made public using this listserv!Each time I publicly demanded the time, date, and location of secret meetings, I was in fact providing evidence that the public was excluded! Other readers could watch and see that West, Siano, etc. never ever gave the meeting information, but instead responded with a blitz of mean spirited comments attacking my character. They could look at the University City Review and see that the meetings, which should have been announced by order of the members of FOCP, were never there! And they were able to know that secret meetings were taking place at which they were unwelcome. The readers on this list have watched this evidence for years. I've continuously proved that these meetings were not public. Today, the Clark Park Partnership calls this exclusion, invitation only meetings. It's fact and if you don't believe me then you need to do a little work. What other evidence can I show you from secret meetings which none of us attended? Some people have recently thanked me for my dedication to blowing the whistle, and others who are not on this list, told me that they didn't know that these abuses were occurring. BUT THEY WISHED THEY HAD How do you respond to important evidence? Darco writes: My point is, the best evidence that Glenn can come up with is his denial to be on the dog committee. I can fully understand that, since I've rarely seen evidence of Glenn being compromising. So your response to evidence is nothing more than ad hominem! Ad hominem is a fallacy of logic too. For the past few years, FOCP leaders have claimed that their members can always join any committee, and I alone was unwelcome because I'm selfish. I provided you evidence that proved that was not true, whether or not you have the ability to understand it. It also proved that FOCP leaders continued to lie about inclusion continuously over many years. Why should I look for more evidence for you, when you can't understand it, and simply dismiss it as proof of my bad character? Regarding FOCP leaders, I'm not having a debate with reasonable mature
Re: [UC] Why do they always respond with venom?
The Martians! The Martians are trying to silence me! Why won't people listen to the truth?! Can I be a neighborhood boss too? - Mike V. Glenn glen...@earthlink.net wrote: Neighbors, I hope you will consider why our neighborhood bosses always respond to serious posts with such mean spirited personal attacks.If serious posts about the issues of Clark Park are filled with lies, why wouldn't they once simply expose the lies, so that everyone else could dismiss me as a liar?They would look so professional instead of mean. I think that is a very important question for people to consider for their own benefit. For several years, we have always seen the same vicious responses by these community leaders serving the corporate gentrification, but have we ever seen them actually just expose a single lie?If the FOCP/UCD has always had open public inclusive meetings about the park redesign, why have West and Siano never silenced and embarrassed me with a straightforward response?They could simply list the dates that they put notices in the University City Review as their members asked for, and I would be proven a liar. It's hard to remember, but the latest hate posts started because I posted my experience about the history of the Clark Park privatization and redesign over the past ten years.I got a request from a newcomer, whom I don't know, to do so. I have detected a great deal of bewilderment, coming from diverse neighbors around the community, about the closing of Clark Park.Neighbors might remember that an article was published when the fence first went up, which indicated that a large number of people immediately felt deceived about the initial tree killings.My sense is that many more people are questioning, why the park has been closed and transformed, when they had only heard about a little maintenance. Don't the people asking questions and newcomers have the right to weigh my experiences against the deceptive misinformation they get from the civic association?I hope you all recognize their right to ask for my experiences, and that the hate posts are really meant to deny that right and honest information to them! I've blown the whistle about a lot of embarrassing secrets that are not consistent with people's understanding of fair play, democratic processes and citizen's right to participate concerning decisions about public lands. I'd do it again and will continue to do it. Well, the answer to my original question should be pretty obvious.The civic association leaders serving the transition to plutocracy cannot answer my questions or refute my assertions, because they have no refutation nor any lies to expose! How can the UCD or FOCP openly say they have public inclusive meetings when they have invitation only meetings?There's no conspiracy theory at work, but clear observable facts that any of you can verify.Whenever the ad hominem and straw men come out instead of a serious refutation, people need to start recognizing that those using these have no other alternative, and they also have no intention of coming clean or stopping their abuses!If you recognize that they have no alternative, spewing the continuous hate filled posts and using fallacious arguments makes perfect sense.In fact, it's the only answer that does make sense.It's a diversion, rather pathetic, to keep everyone away from learning the embarrassing truth about their abuses and betrayal. Are meetings public?This question has a real answer. And, Glenn is an awful evil liar does not actually answer the question.But I know the answer and they no the answer.Manipulating all of you is the real target of their venom! Let's not pretend that what is happening in our district has not also been happening across the country for a long time.People can continue to tune out reality as we are becoming slaves with no rights.Or they can stand up for principles and start confronting those abusing and enslaving them.I strongly believe we are past the point of no return in America.We had a chance to save the republic 10 years ago, but we lost our principles over the years.If we don't open our eyes and try to see what is happening, it is certainly too late. Glenn
RE: [UC] Another neighborhood screwed, Daily News
There there, Chicken Little, there there. -Original Message- From: Glenn glen...@earthlink.net Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:36 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Another neighborhood screwed, Daily News Support the people of the Susquehanna neighborhood! This is what is planned for parks, schools, rec centers and all other public spaces. Letter in the Daily News (link below): IF ANY resident of the Susquehanna neighborhood had been asked if the basketball courts at the Duckrey School at 15th and Susquehanna are used and needed, the answer would be yes! Because there was no community input, the School Reform Commission deems this land to be unused and unnecessary. As adults claim to be concerned about flash mobs, and to be concerned about children being obese, a basketball court is conveyed for development without notification. Our politicians, in a deal that lacks transparency, have started a process for development without the community's knowledge. Community participation is owed to any community. With all the vacant land available in the 5th Council District, it was truly unnecessary to take this away from our youth! Especially to give away for $1 with the city's budget problems. We will work to stop this unauthorized land deal! Judith Robinson, Philadelphia http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20100416_Letters__Residents_had_no_input_on_land_giveaway.html?posted=yviewAll=y#comments
RE: [UC] McLellan resigns, Obama drug policy
I had a delicious salad for lunch today. -Original Message- From: Glenn glen...@earthlink.net Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:44 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] McLellan resigns, Obama drug policy http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthcare/Top_Obama_drug_policy_official_is_said_to_be_stepping_down.html You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] Another Manhole Cover BLOWS UP!!!!!
I've got two guesses: Either Mole Man and his dread Subterraneans are testing their invasion plans, or all the rain we've been having lately is shorting out SEPTA's underground transformers. -Original Message- From: Mark Krull mkrullr...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:48 AM To: uclist univcity@list.purple.com; ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu Subject: [Ucneighbors] Another Manhole Cover BLOWS UP! After I dropped off the car at Central City Toyota around 10:15 am, I was taking the 21 BUS going West on Walnut Street at 52nd when a LOUD BOOM occurred. The manhold cover was blown off. Geez, what the heck is going on... -- We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately Ben Franklin
RE: [UC] FW: News Alert: Senate Blocks Gun-Rights Measure
Yes, because right now it's only possible to get a reciprocal permit in 46 states. Imagine the chaos if Hawaii were to be added to that list! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Karen Allen kallena...@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:02 PM To: UnivCity Listserv univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] FW: News Alert: Senate Blocks Gun-Rights Measure Some good news... Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:42:08 -0400 From: nytdir...@nytimes.com Subject: News Alert: Senate Blocks Gun-Rights Measure To: kallena...@msn.com Breaking News Alert The New York Times Wednesday, July 22, 2009 -- 1:41 PM ET - Senate Blocks Gun-Rights Measure The Senate on Wednesday turned aside the latest attempt by gun advocates to expand the rights of gun owners, narrowly voting down a provision that would have allowed gun owners with valid permits from one state to carry concealed weapons in other states as well. Read More: [The entire original message is not included] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Re: Competent and Reliable Plumper
That's not at all where I'd thought you'd go with that particular joke. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Axler Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Competent and Reliable Plumper I suspect that reliable plumpers work for the politically incorrect foie gras farms... -Original Message- From: B Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; University City List univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:10 am Subject: Re: Competent and Reliable Plumper I think discussion of plumpers is NSFW. ANyway, the plumper has to get the job right the first time. :-D On 2/7/08, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a reliable plumper?? -Original Message- From: Karin Boykin Sent: Feb 7, 2008 7:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: Competent and Reliable Plumper Can anyone out there please recommend a competent and reliable plumber who does the job right the first time? Thank you. Karin Boykin Academic Affairs Office Community College of Philadelphia 1700 Spring Garden Street Phila. PA 19130 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (215)751-8351 Mark http://www.mkrull.blogspot.com http://www.mkrull.blogspot.com/ _ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=ao lcmp000503 !
RE: [UC] USPS delivery issues
I, too, have experienced similar issues. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruthann Auten Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:27 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] USPS delivery issues Hi Everyone, Over the past few months I have been having serious issues with mail delivery as have other residents in my apartment complex. I have lived at 4840 Pine St. for about 5 years and it was never that good in the first place. I now have companies like the people who manage my student loans and my life insurance calling to tell me that the post office is sending the mail back to them as undeliverable. I spoke with the rental office and they told me that no one has brought them any mail in 3 days because the regular mail guy has been out for a long time. Does anyone have suggestions on who I can call or what can be done about this? Do any neighbors in the area have similar problems. Thanks in advance, Ruthann Auten _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007
RE: [UC] Participation on the censored list
*deep breath* *points* *laughs* *laughs* *laughs* *pause* *deep breath* *points* *laughs* *laughs* *laughs* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:24 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Participation on the censored list Dear neighbors, I understand that some neighbors want announcements to go out to the most people but I would like people to consider the implications of supporting the censored Penn list called UC Neighbors. The problems: The censored list is linked throughout the Penn network. It cloaks the fact that this is a censored list. It hides the list of subscribers and new people referred to it from the extensive Penn network would believe that the printed standards for the use of Penn electronic resources would be true. They would not know why they disappeared or could not subscribe to it. The world would read it and believe it to be a real discussion by neighborhood residents expressing sentiments representative of the general public. Penn may eventually have to either support the UC Neighbors list censorship or cut it off and reprimand or punish the employees involved. Read the rules for the use of electronic resources and you will see how UC Neighbors is both cloaked by these and seriously antithetical to the principals and appropriate standards. When barking cheese was founded, Cassidy and melani claimed civility as the cause. But the founders of barking cheese were the cause of the majority of incivility here. Their return to this list is very powerful evidence. When the founders of the censored list left temporarily to establish a good neighbor's list, civility here was immediately restored. As they return to destroy the discussion about the secret hotel project and intimidate our list mates, incivility on the list is immediately restored. This is a powerful type of evidence. And why were the 5 or 6 to be banned never identified? We might immediately think it is only based on the civility issue. Of course, how could those claiming the need for the power to censor compare themselves to those to be banned? Of course, they could not on the basis of civility. So, we give them a free pass on that lie, OK. But the even more important part is that they sent the message to everyone that you better not cross the gang ideology. Don't you see that 5 or 6 ranters claim is a changing group. Otherwise, all 5 or 6 would have been identified and the posts cited! The message is clear what will happen if any one out there expresses anything contrary to the ideology of those in charge. Intimidation by ideology demands that those 5 or 6 people be left unidentified and without support of wrongdoing. It's a dishonest tactic to intimidate, period. That I am explaining what is actually occurring rather than putting this in some dark ages fantasy fiction is horrifying. Some years ago, I would have thought this serious issue obvious to the vast majority of American citizens. OK. Some folks want to go back and forth between the public list but post their announcements on the censored list too. I don't mean it disrespectfully, but please consider how you are sending support for censorship and abuse of power by doing so. Look at this quote from the beginning of the cloaked censored discussion list: Actually, 370 as of today. Impossible to tell how many of those subscriber addresses are still active. On 7/27/07, Kyle Cassidy http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu wrote:there are three of us on it now. there are only 300 people on the uc list. i don't think 600 would be difficult to get. OK. Cassidy and Melani want to compete and displace one of the most important respected forums for discussion of local area issues. But they are not using a yahoo or myspace account to attempt this. THEY ARE USING THE POWER OF THE U OF P COMPUTER NETWORK THEORETICALLY GUIDED BY THE RULES FOR THE USE OF UNIVERSITY ELECTRONIC RESOURCES. The entire existence of this censored list is to create a safe environment for astroturfing and spreading misinformation not be an alternative for civil discussion and community announcements. That's the use it is disguised to provide, the cover. Isn't the gang's willful destruction of the discussion of community issues apparent to everyone at this point?? The set-up of this censored list as a good neighbor list is an obvious fraud. And we should be enough aware of the meaning of free speech and our society principals to condemn it All of the members of the community aware of these details need to consider your participation with a censored Penn list. I kid you not, there may come a time that you regret making cross posts and supporting it. The problems with barking cheese are tremendous. I like many of the individuals trying to make these cross posts and trying to support this censorship list. Please, please reconsider
RE: [UC] Community request for UCD marketing magic
Let's have a quick review on definitions and accuracy in correspondence, shall we? Glenn does not equal the community, though I suspect that inside his own head he is indeed a multitude. He certainly did not write this letter on my behalf. - Mike V. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Community request for UCD marketing magic
Glenn, I think I can say with utter assurance that of the two of us, I am not the one that has something seriously wrong with him. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:23 PM To: Mike V.; univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Community request for UCD marketing magic --- Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He certainly did not write this letter on my behalf. - Mike V. That's downright perceptive, little fellar. Now you're gettin' it! The rumors about you haven't been completely true! Let me repeat for any other outside lurkers. GOOD NEIGHBORS ONLY, PLEASE! This is a request from the community for UCD services. Thanks for understanding. Is there something very wrong with you, Mr. V. ? Hugs, The leader of the people from the Spruce Hill Society You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Bad enough that UCD has a Philadelphia Police officer carrying its card
If my eyes were rolling any harder, they'd leave my skull entirely. Why are you so invested in manufacturing outrage, Al? Do you get some sort of twisted kicks out of thinking that you're some sort of pied piper of faux-outrage? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:51 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bad enough that UCD has a Philadelphia Police officer carrying its card It's bad enough that UCD has (or had, I don't know whether he's been ordered to stop) Lt John McCurdy of the Philadelphia Police Dept carrying its business card... they also have him listed on their website as a UCD Staff member. This is outrageous. I wonder whether the Police Commissioner knows that someone with the elevated rank of lieutenant in his organization reports to Wendell Lewis -- a person with pretensions but no authority whatever, and who is responsible not to the people of Philadelphia or its charter but to Craig Carnoroli of the University of Pennsylvania. If the Commissioner doesn't know this already, he will shortly. Lt (or former Lt) McCurdy owes the residents and business operators of this neighborhood an apology and immediate action to cease and desist this unacceptable identification as a flunky of UCD. He also owes it to himself to recognize the source of his status as a sworn officer of the Philadelphia Police Dept. Al Krigman Staff to reach the administrative staff, dial 215.243.0555 and the appropriate extension Lewis C. Wendell Executive Director, x224 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori Klein Brennan Director, Marketing Communications, x227 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dexter Bryant Operations Manager, Public Space Maintenance Program, x239 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Christman Marketing Communications Specialist, x229 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vacant Director of Operations, Clean and Safe Programs, x236 Email Gail Fisher Commercial Corridor Manager, x245 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carolyn Hewson Director of Neighborhood Initiatives, x247 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris Kingsley Project Administrator, x222 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maggie Langdon Executive Assistant, x225 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lt. John McCurdy Commanding Officer, UCD / Philadelphia Police Substation, x241 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ann Mintz Director of Fundraising and Development, x226 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Reid Operations Manager, Ambassador Program, x233 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laura Snyder Graphic Design Web Development Manager, x230 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Williams Receptionist/Administrative Assistant, x221 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170 and Make AOL Your http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 Homepage.
RE: [UC] Bad enough that UCD has a Philadelphia Police officer carrying its card
You're as classy as you are insightful, Glenn. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:48 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Bad enough that UCD has a Philadelphia Police officer carrying its card --- Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If my eyes were rolling any harder, they'd leave my skull entirely. Why are you so invested in manufacturing outrage, Al? Do you get some sort of twisted kicks out of thinking that you're some sort of pied piper of faux-outrage? - Mike V. Good to hear from ya, Mikey! This one's for you and upenn.edu. A Nonplagiarized Song for Mikey and upenn.edu Mikey the Vman is sweetbarking cheese, So sweet, and so civil, and so full of sleaze. To dim for discourse, in the great public sphere. With songs like shit flies in our upscale beer. Watch as cheese barks; it's a product of fear. Sweet barking cheese is good for our twit, They like 'em nasty; and quite full of shit, But friends out in public, don't want to hear. Mikey farting, and barking, straight in the ear. Mr. Plagiarist poet, UCeeDee causes real fear. Are Mikey's pot shots such civilized cheese? Or were Kylie and Melly just trying to tease? Is the gang's meanie power beginning to fail? Do they run to the master holding their tail? Save us Penn master, we're as dumb as the kale! Glenn of the uncensored list PS. Mikey, I'm outraged at Amy's boys aka the Philadelphia keystone cops -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:51 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Bad enough that UCD has a Philadelphia Police officer carrying its card It's bad enough that UCD has (or had, I don't know whether he's been ordered to stop) Lt John McCurdy of the Philadelphia Police Dept carrying its business card... they also have him listed on their website as a UCD Staff member. This is outrageous. I wonder whether the Police Commissioner knows that someone with the elevated rank of lieutenant in his organization reports to Wendell Lewis -- a person with pretensions but no authority whatever, and who is responsible not to the people of Philadelphia or its charter but to Craig Carnoroli of the University of Pennsylvania. If the Commissioner doesn't know this already, he will shortly. Lt (or former Lt) McCurdy owes the residents and business operators of this neighborhood an apology and immediate action to cease and desist this unacceptable identification as a flunky of UCD. He also owes it to himself to recognize the source of his status as a sworn officer of the Philadelphia Police Dept. Al Krigman Staff to reach the administrative staff, dial 215.243.0555 and the appropriate extension Lewis C. Wendell Executive Director, x224 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori Klein Brennan Director, Marketing Communications, x227 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dexter Bryant Operations Manager, Public Space Maintenance Program, x239 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Christman Marketing Communications Specialist, x229 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vacant Director of Operations, Clean and Safe Programs, x236 Email Gail Fisher Commercial Corridor Manager, x245 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carolyn Hewson Director of Neighborhood Initiatives, x247 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris Kingsley Project Administrator, x222 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maggie Langdon Executive Assistant, x225 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lt. John McCurdy Commanding Officer, UCD / Philadelphia Police Substation, x241 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ann Mintz Director of Fundraising and Development, x226 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Reid Operations Manager, Ambassador Program, x233 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laura Snyder Graphic Design Web Development Manager, x230 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Williams Receptionist/Administrative Assistant, x221 Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170 and Make AOL Your http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 Homepage. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity
RE: [UC] At the Copa...
Both the Copa and the bar at the Bridge have become hangouts for young(ish) black locals, rather than for Penn students or the rather eclectic University City melange of non-Penn-kid peoples. The ambience and staff in both places have changed to suit (unless the egg came before the chicken which, in this case, I doubt). - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:29 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] At the Copa... From my blog: I was walking past the Copa Banana at 40th Spruce St., two blocks from me, around 1 am this morning. Suddenly this HUGE (tall and round) man with a white t-shirt that ended around his knees came flying out of one of the side doors, nearly knocking me to the ground. The door almost came off its hinges. He was holding his crotch of his pants (which could have been nowhere near his actual crotch) with both hands and he ran behind me towards the corner. The 40th St. side of the place is a row of glass doors and I slowed down to see what was going on. Some people tried to pull the door shut but the bottom got stuck and the door looked really bent. I could see through the glass that there were a couple of guys violently holding someone in a red plaid shirt down/back against the bar. He was really struggling to get away. Then the guy who almost knocked me down, ran back up the two steps, pulled the door open and went back inside, mumbling. He pushed past some women and knocked over a table on his way across the room. He ended up standing in front of the plaid shirt man, screaming and gesturing wildly. At this point, some patrons, mostly women, began leaving though the side doors, screaming things like, I'm getting out of here before they start shooting! And, believe me, they were GONE! Great. I just stood there gaping like a moron, all 5' 4 of me, with my Fresh Grocer shopping bag in one hand, the other hand popping Mega MM's into my mouth. I must have looked like Norman Bates and his peanuts only not as nervous. I could only have appeared more stupid if I had been yapping on my cell phone. I glanced north on 40th St and saw a UCD Safety Ambassador sauntering up the street, walking her bicycle, maybe 30 feet from the rather noisy melee. Then two very large and very cute bouncers forcefully escorted the guy in the plaid shirt out the door. He kept yelling, I'm gonna air you out! (I think), whatever that means, as he backed south on 40th St. One of the bouncers said Go ahead! while gesturing with his little taser wand thing. By the time the UCD woman got it together to put her radio to her lips, there was already a Penn Police car backing down the street. The perp had taken off his plaid shirt and was walking at a normal pace towards Pine St. The bouncer told the Police, It's him. The guy in the white t-shirt, (so much for the costume change and trying to blend in with an empty street). They nabbed him before he got to the corner. I couldn't make out what the officers were saying to him but I could hear his responses from across the street. The gist of it seemed to be that he was trying to pick up some women (bitches) and he was cock-blocked in some manner by some men (motherfuckers and also bitches). The officers began to pat him down-he seemed cooperative, if a bit mouthy-and a Penn Police SUV pulled up beside them. I kept walking. Show's over, folks. Move along. Call me old-fashioned, but it seems to me that talking to the police using language and gestures learned from hip-hop videos isn't the best way to garner sympathy and get them to listen. (There's a wonderful line well-delivered by Justin Timberlake in Alpha Dog, The only thing those guys ever shot was a video. Hilarious, and the whole movie really, in a delicious bite-size chunk.) When I was arrested I was all Yes, officer. No, officer. Thanks for the cold fried egg sandwich, officer. and Yes, Your Honor. No, Your Honor. Is that really so hard? I mean, I could tell right away that, whatever I had to say, true or not, the cops had heard it a million times before, so I'd better just shut it. Watching and listening, first to the people around me in the holding cell and then to my incessantly chattering overnight cell-mate and our immediate neighbors, gave me new respect for law enforcement officers. I don't know how they stand it. I guess that's just one of many reasons I'm typing this at home instead of San Quentin. That and my bringing-upski. Thanks Mom (and Stephen Sondheim)! I have noticed that Penn students have kind of abandoned the Copa this year. Last year, I swear, it was packed with students every night of the week. Then, during the summer, the patrons were more neighborhood folks. Im not sure if incidents like this one are the cause or the result or neither. Maybe it was a one-off. I do know I don't like it. (The Copa is the closest good burger to me and I really don't want to be dodging bullets
RE: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND
It's always nice to hear good news about lost pets. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:48 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Missing Cat FOUND Thanks to all people who looked for Meadow, my small female tabby cat. She is back and looks better than ever! Apparently, she just went to the spa instead of being hit by a car as I imagined. A nice woman who feeds cats found her in the 4500 block of Pine St. -Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Who does Al Krigman really report to?
Is it the Martians, the Freemasons, the Atlanteans, the Elders of Zion or the Bavarian Illuminati? Is all of the above a valid answer? Does he get his tinfoil hat specially fitted, or does he buy off the rack? I DEMAND AN ANSWER!!! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:12 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? One would think that sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police Department, regardless of where they went in the morning to report for work, operated through the Department's highly structured and ostensible chain of command. I discovered this morning that this may not be the case. Or, at least, that the people at UCD and the police officer who has a desk at the UCD administrative building, don't necessarily think so. I attended a meeting at which Lieutenant John McCurdy made a short presentation, then handed out business cards so people would know how to contact him. Only, they weren't Philadelphia Police Department business cards. In fact, they weren't City of Philadelphia business cards in any form. They were (you guessed it) standard UCD business cards with lt. john mccurdy/city of philadelphia police department (all in lower case, as shown) where the name and position of a UCD employee would normally go. This is a serious, if symbolic problem. Especially given that many people in this area think UCD has already usurped too many powers that it should not have, given it's accountability only to its primary patrons. And use of this business card by a sworn City of Philadelphia police officer with extraordinary powers obfuscates the fact that the chain of command and responsibility goes right up through the ranks at 55th Pine through the Police Commissioner, City Council, and the Mayor -- without a nod to anybodyat UCD. It is totally unacceptable. Lt McCurdy is probably guilty of nothing more than extremely poor judgement. Wendell Lewis and the others who make the decisions at UCD are more likely guilty of at least trying to obfuscate their actual role in the neighborhood, and perhaps of making yet another subtle power grab. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident and housing provider _ See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170 and Make AOL Your http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 Homepage.
RE: [UC] Underground fire
It has been burning (or was burning, then stopped, then started again) since at least last night at around 11 or 11:30 or so. It smelled absolutely horrible. Be on the lookout for rats, roaches and other subterranean vermin in your basements, garages and sinks. They'll be looking to escape the fire any way they can. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:02 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [UC] Underground fire There is an underground fire at 41st Walnut. All streets within a one-block radius of that location are closed. I passed and took some pictures about 10 minutes ago. It smells awful. Smoke and flames are coming out of the pipe attached to the phone pole on the sw corner. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible.
RE: [UC] Yet more help from Hollywood (was stickups on 43rd 45th streets)
Hm. Well, since you are clearly the arbiter of what does and doesn't constitute appropriate email conduct Al, I guess I have no choice but to comply w- Oh, wait. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:29 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Yet more help from Hollywood (was stickups on 43rd 45th streets) In a message dated 9/4/2007 9:48:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What irritates me is there is yet another movie coming from Hollywood that glorifies the violence. What irritates me are the people who walked away from the real University City listserv to join the tea and crumpets set at sweetbarkingcheese.com, then cross-post to both lists. What's the sense of it. You either want to be part of the action on the UC list or you think you're too good for the world and stroke each other's egos at sweetbarkingcheese. Take your pick. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night
That's an entertaining theory, Mario, but falls well foul of Occam's razor. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Giorno Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [Ucneighbors] 43rd and 42nd Streets: Two robberies at gunpointlast night Mike, The risk/reward ratio makes the money seem risky. I'll admit that if someone were an addict and had a gun, they'd rob anyone no matter what the risk. There are crimes of desperation that play out here in UC, but they're outnumbered by what are mainly crimes of social revenge and hateful antagonism. On 9/4/07, Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Stephen: I'm sorry to hear about the robbery. Do you know what time it occurred? Yes, he was robbed around 11:30 p.m. last night near 43rd and Baltimore. That's a heavily populated corner, so it's surprising that it happened there. Honestly, I'm not surprised. I think that the whole of University City is far less safe than we'd all like to think. It's also right down the street from where I live, which makes it extremely important in every empirical sense that I can think of. Who was organizing a Town Watch? ___ ucneighbors mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors
History shows again and again... (was RE: [UC] When you add it all up, people just can't pay it, Blackwell said)
Revisionist history seems to be a popular hobby 'round these parts. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:56 AM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] When you add it all up, people just can't pay it, Blackwell said Al Krigman wrote: Since the formation of the sweetbarkingcheese.com list, we've been blessed by the absence of pejoratives such as ranting to describe measured discussions involving differences of opinion. (Other than when the sweetbarkingcheesers have deliberately tried to trash the purple list and bait its denizens.) Elliot M. Stern wrote: Yet we are still plagued by sneering references to sweetbarkingcheese.com list! Frank Carroll wrote: And I hope we continue to be. WE'RE HERE! WE SNEER!! GET USED TO IT!!! Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is more indicative of the biology of aging, wherein older males - like you three, regardless of their political persuasions, tend to get cranky and persnickety as the summer doldrums linger. That is not to suggest sweetbarfingcheese doesn't have a few cranky self-envisioned young bucks. I think al (and earlier, sharrieff) gets it right, about a band of folks who tried to trash this list, with their deliberately inflammatory posts and steady, gratuitous rudeness (not mentioning any names). it brought about all kinds of reactions, from people who tried to fight fire with fire by flinging it right back in the same style (not mentioning names), to people wringing their hands and lecturing (still not mentioning names), to people just ignoring it or running away from it (no names) -- but everyone was affected by it. I see that now -- now that it's over, now that they're gone. I think it's so cool that the list is so much more normal now, even when the topics are uncomfortable or contentious. for a few weeks now it's been possible to have discussions -- not without the occasional jab or dig, of course, but certainly without the sustained extremist mudslinging and namecalling and doorslamming. ah. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeamR] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated, more believable -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] unsubscribe
It's a flounce post, Frank. It's not meant to make sense. http://www.toytowngermany.com/wiki/Flounce - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:13 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] unsubscribe Huh? Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Aug 7, 2007, at 01:53 PM, S. Sharrieff Ali wrote: For quite some time a campaign to undermine the content on the listserv has been growing. The latest generation of exclusive and censored leadership points to the demise of any reasonable hope of value. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] unsubscribe
Oh, stop being so Eisenhower-era, Frank. Nowadays people of all stripes flounce, including the straights. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:49 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] unsubscribe I didn't know he was gay. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Aug 7, 2007, at 03:23 PM, Mike V. wrote: It's a flounce post, Frank. It's not meant to make sense. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Are you sure we have a police problem, and not a deranged list busybody with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex problem? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:26 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Car jacking confirmation Dear list, It appears we do have a police problem. I just spoke with Sargeant Monk, #517, 215-686-3268. He authorized me to post his information so you can confirm my reports. On Saturday, I confirmed with Officer Davis. There was some type of car robbery incident on the 500 block of 44th, although details of the 2 accounts are disputed. I wasn't given the details. I explained how this misinformation has now placed me in the position of passing their misinformation publicly while looking for the truth. As I said before when the second account arrived, one way or the other we have a serious problem. He apologized for the incorrect information I was given and had no explanation. I asked them to follow up and explain to me how they could give me incorrect information. And how I could be told that it was OK to expose it publicly as a false report. I'm going to also contact the police press room so that they can address this problem I regret the period of misinformation in which I was involved, but did give you the reports exactly as I received them. Now, I will return to the main headquarters and file a complaint with the police. I feel we all need some answers. Sincerely, Glenn Moyer
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Al, It would be unwise to make assumptions about what I do or don't approve of based solely on what in which databases my name lies, especially since you admit you haven't done the extremely small amount of research necessary to make your claims plausibe. Listen, you and I have butted heads in the past, and god willing will continue to do so in the future, but you've never struck me as particularly insane. We disagree vehemently on many things, but you've always seemed, if nothing else, a rational, thinking human being. I understand that you've got something against the other list, but you cannot seriously look me in the keyboard and tell me that you think that what Glenn has done with this issue over the last few days doesn't smack of looney-tunes? Surely your sophistry doesn't extend that far. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:52 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Car jacking confirmation In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:35:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you sure we have a police problem, and not a deranged list busybody with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex problem? Mike: I notice that you're on the civil citizens' list at sweetbarkingcheese.com -- so apparently you somehow don't approve of the gratuitous insults and antagonism admittedly shown too often on the UC list. I haven't read your posts over there, but assume you've adopted a persona more suitable for the tea and crumpets crowd that joined it -- else why would you have signed up and why would the censors have let your messages through? So why the totally unnecessary nastiness here? OK, Glenn admittedly went a bit overboard after trying to get the facts from the copskies and being given false information. But, when he found out that he was mislead by Philadelphia's finest, he posted what seems like a sincere correction. And you either can't find it in your heart to let it go without a mean-spirited response, or even to say something pleasant to encourage the kind of posts you purport to want by going to the other list. I noticed, by the way, that Melani Lamond is also posting to sweetbarkingcheese.com. But her post this morning on this list, in response to something by Al Airone, was useful and took no potshots whatever at people who have chimed in on the carjacking topic with whom we know she doesn't always see eye-to-eye. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Uriah Heep-like admissions The character or the band? - Mike V. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Did they? I'd love to see where. Show me, please. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:09 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Car jacking confirmation It's also a typically shoddy tactic: claim that the other person _should_ follow some rule of behavior that you've invented for them, and accuse them of hypocrisy or dishonesty when they _don't_. Actually, you guys invented that rule for yourselves. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Ah, I believe you are under a misapprehension, Karen. Kyle made up some rules for his mailing list, yes, but that rule certainly doesn't apply to this list, and despite what certain hatemongering gadflies may think, Kyle does not speak for everyone who happened to sign up for the mailing list that he founded. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:52 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation From: Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'KAREN ALLEN' [EMAIL PROTECTED], UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:18:33 -0400 Actually, you guys invented that rule for yourselves. Did they? I'd love to see where. Show me, please. - Mike V. ucneighbors -- Residents of University City About ucneighbors English (USA) A mailing list for residents of Philadelphia's University City. Talk about plays, restaurants, trash removal, lost dogs and the like. Welcome aboard. Be nice. * [Ucneighbors] Howdy Neighbors Kyle Cassidy kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu Fri Jul 27 18:47:38 EDT 2007 Previous message: [Ucneighbors] Howdy Neighbors Next message: [Ucneighbors] Kyle's list Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] excellent. welcome aboard. we'll see how this goes for a few days. once more people get on, i'll experiment with forced moderation. the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn! * [Ucneighbors] Howdy Neighbors MLamond at aol.com MLamond at aol.com Fri Jul 27 18:57:05 EDT 2007 Previous message: [Ucneighbors] Kyle's list Next message: [Ucneighbors] Wow! So this is what it's like on the other side! Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes: the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn! This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where you live. Melani From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION Re: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is... Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:28:22 EDT In a message dated 7/30/07 11:45:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Kyle didn't start the UCNeighbor list because he was being childish or selfish and walking away with his bat and ball. He started it because the communication on this listserv is becoming petty, myopic and insulting. It's also becoming a crowded room (virtually speaking) with some loud voices trying to drown out the once speaking in a normal tone. Some people do act like they own this list and like to think that they can dictate and frame the conversation and debates that occur here. Many people have started doing the serial deleting of [UC]-labelled emails, because it's become less relevant and helpful to the average UC resident. I don't know about you, but this puts people a hair-trigger away from leaving the listserv and the community discussion that occurs here. No one is excluded or protected on Kyle's new listserv either. You can still take the conversation there, if you want to, and your bat and ball. This weekend, the heavy-handed people on the purple list found out that their readers now have the option to move away, and clearly, they don't want that to happen. So - did they offer to moderate their language and help develop a set of guidelines? No, they became even more heavy-handed! Several attacked Bruce Anderson for suggesting guidelines. Some even tried to blame Jon Herrmann, who wrote that he had not read the last 13,000 emails posted on the purple list in the last 15 months - now, that shows how involved HE is, doesn't it? Some renewed conspiracy theories, one generated new spoof posts, and as usual, a small but noisy group attacked the person who saw a need to do something and actually DID it. But, why should we be stuck with a dysfunctional list which will not change? I came in for criticism for saying it would be heaven to be on a list without one particularly voluminous ranter who has focused on me, sometimes alarmingly. Why would I want to be on a list with member who sends out fantasy emails about what he wants to have happen to me in Clark Park? Why would I recommend that the buyers and sellers I work with join a listserv where they'd read that kind of stuff with my name in it, where a neighborhood fanatic would single me out for ridicule though I've never even met the man
RE: [UC] sorry folks
Glenn, will you also be issuing an apology to Tony West and the rest of us that criticized your rush to judgement? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:10 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] sorry folks Dear list, I spent a lot of time looking for the truth on this car jacking. I am not sorry I pursued this but I'm sorry I was the instrument of misinformation. I certainly gave an honest account of my sources of information. I'm glad that a serious police problem was uncovered. We don't know the apparently disputed details of this incident and I certainly have no confidence at this point. I think the police information and reporting needs to be a two way street. Sincerely, Glenn
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Lady, you're barking up the wrong tree. I never said I hated garbage. I never said I didn't want contention. Kyle said that he didn't want contention, and while I'm in his sandbox, I'm content to play by his rules. But this sandbox has different rules. In some states I have to wear a helmet when I ride a motorbike. In some I don't. Just because I choose to follow the helmet laws when I'm in California doesn't mean that I'm a hypocrite when I choose to exercise my right not to wear one in Pennsylvania. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:17 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation That may be true. You don't want contention on your list, while getting in people's faces here. So if it's OK act like that here, then what's the problem??? Why a new list??? It's OK to come onto MY list with garbage while simultaneously claiming you hate garbage? You and Brian are saying you won't dirty up the new list while throwing garbage here??? That's hypocrisy. Karen Allen From: Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'KAREN ALLEN' [EMAIL PROTECTED],UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:58:43 -0400 Ah, I believe you are under a misapprehension, Karen. Kyle made up some rules for his mailing list, yes, but that rule certainly doesn't apply to this list, and despite what certain hatemongering gadflies may think, Kyle does not speak for everyone who happened to sign up for the mailing list that he founded. - Mike V. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Well, I'm happy to grant at least half of your request. But I do reserve the right to respond to your inaccurate and unreasonable list emails. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: KAREN ALLEN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation From: Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'KAREN ALLEN' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:56:30 -0400 Terribly sorry. What would you prefer? - Mike V. I would prefer that you not address me at all. And please do not speak to me offlist. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
There's a difference between mad ranting and contentious name-calling. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:23 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Car jacking confirmation On Aug 6, 2007, at 03:28 PM, Mike V. wrote: Lady, you're barking up the wrong tree. I never said I hated garbage. I never said I didn't want contention. But you did say this: Glenn's ranting takes up my bandwidth, my time and my attention. Banning him isn't censorship. It's hygiene. That amounts to the same thing. Yet you continue to contribute to the unhygienic nature of this list by engaging Glenn in conversation, even resorting to name-calling. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
I take your point, and it's not unreasonable. However, his posting volume is relatively consistent whether or not anyone replies to him. The man creates his own controversy. Take this recent carjacking thing -- he worked himself into a lather without any help from yours truly. Thus the occasional email chastising him for his inappropriateness (which you can argue is in itself inappropriate -- though I disagree) doesn't really have an adverse affect one way or the other. - Mike v. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:10 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Car jacking confirmation Not much. Besides, my point, which you conveniently ignored, was that responding to him fuels the fire and creates more ranting. Both of you are somehow compelled to reply to each other. One of you just uses more words. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Aug 6, 2007, at 04:46 PM, Mike V. wrote: There's a difference between mad ranting and contentious name-calling. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:23 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Car jacking confirmation On Aug 6, 2007, at 03:28 PM, Mike V. wrote: Lady, you're barking up the wrong tree. I never said I hated garbage. I never said I didn't want contention. But you did say this: Glenn's ranting takes up my bandwidth, my time and my attention. Banning him isn't censorship. It's hygiene. That amounts to the same thing. Yet you continue to contribute to the unhygienic nature of this list by engaging Glenn in conversation, even resorting to name-calling. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Car jacking confirmation
Come on, Wilma. I've always taken potshots where I felt they were warranted. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Car jacking confirmation Quite right about Melani. She expressed her view without being nasty about it. Her incident with the police at 46th Market seemed plausible. Is the new list only to take nasty potshots at those of us on the UC Listserv, only to be sweetness and light on the UC Neighbors at Penn Listserv? And if so, then why? On 8/6/07 11:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:35:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you sure we have a police problem, and not a deranged list busybody with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex problem? Mike: I notice that you're on the civil citizens' list at sweetbarkingcheese.com -- so apparently you somehow don't approve of the gratuitous insults and antagonism admittedly shown too often on the UC list. I haven't read your posts over there, but assume you've adopted a persona more suitable for the tea and crumpets crowd that joined it -- else why would you have signed up and why would the censors have let your messages through? So why the totally unnecessary nastiness here? OK, Glenn admittedly went a bit overboard after trying to get the facts from the copskies and being given false information. But, when he found out that he was mislead by Philadelphia's finest, he posted what seems like a sincere correction. And you either can't find it in your heart to let it go without a mean-spirited response, or even to say something pleasant to encourage the kind of posts you purport to want by going to the other list. I noticed, by the way, that Melani Lamond is also posting to sweetbarkingcheese.com. But her post this morning on this list, in response to something by Al Airone, was useful and took no potshots whatever at people who have chimed in on the carjacking topic with whom we know she doesn't always see eye-to-eye. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
RE: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is...
I suppose you could look at it that way, but only if Kyle was a 10-year-old. When adults do it, like when someone opens a Burger King across the street from a McDonald's, it's called competition, or perhaps even I decided to stop complaining and do something about the problem. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:03 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is... In a message dated 7/30/2007 10:53:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why all of the fear and derision of the new list? The market dictates demand, right? Fear... no. Derision... well, to my mind, it's childish. Like taking your ball and getting the other last-picks for the game to go to another playground with you because they wouldn't let you be pitcher. So, when adults do it, they're certainly opening themselves to derision. Now, about [EMAIL PROTECTED] how do I sign-up? Al K _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
RE: [UC] True nature of UC-list
Dave, they've got a perfectly good wild-eyed streetcorner preacher conspiracy theory going. Why burst their bubble with your clever facts and logics? THE END IS NIGH! WOE TO YOU O EARTH AND DOG BOWL, FOR THE DEVIL SENDS THE PENN BEAST WITH WRATH! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Axler Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] True nature of UC-list Wilma, The answer to your first question can only come from Kyle, not me. However, I have used discussion groups based at both Yahoo and MySpace, and can state from experience that they do have disadvantages: Most notably, there are too many advertisements, both on the listserv/group pages themselves, and in email one receives as a side effect of joining the group. Yahoo is especially notorious for the latter -- one has to locate the special preferences page and manually opt out of receiving such mail. I suspect, but don't know for certain, that Google-based groups also involve advertisements. As for the second question, I think it is based on two false assumptions: 1) Penn is sponsoring the new group. Providing host services is not sponsorship, regardless of whether the group is hosted on Penn's servers, or Yahoo's, or Google's, or an old Mac 8100 sitting in somebody's basement. To claim otherwise is analogous to holding the phone company responsible for what people say when they make calls. 2) A group hosted by Penn is more credible than one hosted elsewhere. I don't think groups as a whole are credible. What matters to me is the credibility of individual posters based on what they say and how well those statements agree with my own knowledge and understanding of the world. Would your words, or mine, or anyone else's really become more credible because they were posted on a discussion group that happened to be on a UPenn server? I don't think anyone here -- including those with whom I sometimes disagree -- is that foolish and/or gullible, and I don't think new neighbors would be, either. --dave -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Axler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 7:21 am Subject: Re: [UC] True nature of UC-list True enough. If I could set up a listserv on any of the servers mentioned (Google, MySpace, Yahoo) by you and Andy, why didn't Kyle? Having a community listserv' with a upenn sponsored URL would lend more weight and credibility than one set up at purple.com or yahoo or myspace, wouldn't it? I were a new resident to University City and wanted to go online with neighbors, I certainly would think so. On 7/30/07 1:36 AM, Dave Axler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, and you can get similar free services from Yahoo, AOL, MySpace, and a variety of other places. The exact features vary from host to host -- some let you make files and/or pictures available, some offer public calendar features for group events, all have some variations on how the messages are moderated (if at all) -- but the location of an ISP is, for a discussion list, generally not a sign of who owns and/or controls it. -Original Message- From: Andrew Diller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [UC] True nature of UC-list You can pretty much do it yourself, for free at Google. Google calls listservs groups. http://groups.google.com/ -andy diller Wilma de Soto wrote: I see. How much is Kyle having to pay Penn to get them to host his server and lend him an IP address? Would I be able to do the same if I pay them to host a server for me and loan me an IP address? Who gets to do this? Must one be directly affiliated with the University or have someone who IS affiliated do it for you? On 7/29/07 7:32 PM, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Andy. Nice to read hard facts on UC-list this evening. Based on your experience, what sort of control do you think the Pope, or the Franciscan Order, or Villanova Univ. exercises over the content of this unmoderated UC-list, based on the mere fact of its mechanical address? Suppose the list became moderated instead -- how would that change the influence that Main Line Roman Catholicism now wields over UC-list as we know it? -- Tony West Andrew Diller wrote: If I may Actually, there is institutional affiliation: Villanova! For some context, there are two things you need to know about any computer on the Internet: 1. who hold the DNS records for that domain 2. where is the IP address of the server located? (what ISP?) Only large institutions (penn, apple, comcast) 'own' the blocks of IP
RE: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION Re: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is...
Why is that a concern, Wilma? Why are you invested in people not making an incorrect, easily-correctible assumption? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION Re: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is... No one faults people starting a new listserv forum, at least I don't. Move away as you will. Lke Dave said they could have used Google, Yahoo, MySpace, whatever. But they didn't. My concern is when people see the upenn.edu domain, they will naturally assume the UC Neighbors Listserv is associated with Penn (since they are using Penn's domain. This would lead people to believe that the new listserv is more legitimate and more credible that the UC Listserv. I also feel it will add to further vilification of participants on this listserv. Your post title certainly indicates to me that has already begun, along with accusations of conspiracy theories etc. Those who deny that is the case especially when handbills are passed to recruit new people, are not being entirely honest with themselves. Also, people who wanted to form the new listserv are not being entirely honest by saying they have only been the victim of vituperation on list and never the perpetrator. On 7/30/07 12:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/30/07 11:45:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Kyle didn't start the UCNeighbor list because he was being childish or selfish and walking away with his bat and ball. He started it because the communication on this listserv is becoming petty, myopic and insulting. It's also becoming a crowded room (virtually speaking) with some loud voices trying to drown out the once speaking in a normal tone. Some people do act like they own this list and like to think that they can dictate and frame the conversation and debates that occur here. Many people have started doing the serial deleting of [UC]-labelled emails, because it's become less relevant and helpful to the average UC resident. I don't know about you, but this puts people a hair-trigger away from leaving the listserv and the community discussion that occurs here. No one is excluded or protected on Kyle's new listserv either. You can still take the conversation there, if you want to, and your bat and ball. This weekend, the heavy-handed people on the purple list found out that their readers now have the option to move away, and clearly, they don't want that to happen. So - did they offer to moderate their language and help develop a set of guidelines? No, they became even more heavy-handed! Several attacked Bruce Anderson for suggesting guidelines. Some even tried to blame Jon Herrmann, who wrote that he had not read the last 13,000 emails posted on the purple list in the last 15 months - now, that shows how involved HE is, doesn't it? Some renewed conspiracy theories, one generated new spoof posts, and as usual, a small but noisy group attacked the person who saw a need to do something and actually DID it. But, why should we be stuck with a dysfunctional list which will not change? I came in for criticism for saying it would be heaven to be on a list without one particularly voluminous ranter who has focused on me, sometimes alarmingly. Why would I want to be on a list with member who sends out fantasy emails about what he wants to have happen to me in Clark Park? Why would I recommend that the buyers and sellers I work with join a listserv where they'd read that kind of stuff with my name in it, where a neighborhood fanatic would single me out for ridicule though I've never even met the man? Is it any surprise I think it will be heaven to be on a list where that sort of email isn't likely to be tolerated? Kyle CAN ban that individual on the new list, but he won't, if the individual is civil to his fellow list members. Anyone can sign up, and the archives are public, so even non members can read what's written. There's no conspiracy and lots of transparency. I'm afraid that spoof addresses have been posted more often than the actual one for Kyle's new list, so I'll include it again here to counteract the usual poster of misinformation. http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors - Melani Lamond ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
RE: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List
And I maintain, again, that that's not censorship any more than ejecting the hollering THE END IS NEAR! REPENT! REPENT! guy from city council meetins is censorship. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:08 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List Sure there is. He, himself said he would immediately ban Glenn. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Jul 30, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Mike VanHelder wrote: While I'm more than happy to shake my fist at the forces of oppressive censorship, Sharrieff, I don't know that it's fair to accuse Kyle of doing that before there's any evidence that he's actually doing that. - Mike V. On 7/28/07, S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle: While Ross created the Culture listserv, he did not unsubscribe from the UC-List. There are multiple listservs which have popped up over the last couple of years to allow people to privately (in many cases) discuss what is happening on the UC-Listserv! I think your reasons for creating a randomly-moderated listsev sound like sour grapes and an attempt to sensor selected neighbors post. Again, people need to self-police and be more considerate. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:02 AM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List I was hoping to have a few weeks to run tests, but it seems things have boiled over here. The UnivCity listserve has, for me, become less than useless over the past six months. I find it valuable for neighbors to be able to share stories of what's going on in the hood, to plan meetups, and to help one another out which used to happen here when I first signed up. Lately, all I've seen here are vituperative rants and conspiracy theories from the same five people which then inspire the same five other people to fight back which just makes a lot of noise that nobody but those ten people are reading. And in this multi-dozen-message bag of bile we are left to pick out the five useful posts about crime trends in the area and the obituary of a neighborhood friend. So, rather than try and reform a football game that's not mine, I've created an entirely new one that's been running in test mode for a few days with a handful of volunteers. You can sign up for it here: http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors The list is lightly moderated which means, hopefully, significantly less ranting and cranky behavior. I'm going to unsubscribe from univcity and hope to see some of you on the other side where I hope to be able to provide a less antagonistic atmosphere for neighborhood communication. kc You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is...
You're absolutely right. But quality is subjective and, in this case, as-yet-undetermined. I was just talking about strict demand. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:06 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is... The market does not dictate quality. If that were true, Titanic would be the best film ever made and American Midol would be a showcase for good singers. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Jul 30, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Mike VanHelder wrote: OK, so the opposition to UCD and the BID I get, Al. Your motives are ulterior, but understandable. But why all of the fear and derision of the new list? The market dictates demand, right? - Mike V. On 7/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] sneering committee met at the Red Light District outdoor cafe last night. of course, I wasn't invited, but the I had somebody up in a tree posing as a woodpecker and taking notes. The real reason for starting a new list, all devotees of deliberative democracy will be happy to hear, is not to exclude Glenn, eliminate people who Phil Forrest claims spew filth, or engage in what Brian Siano judges to be mean-spirited rants. It's what the technocrats would call enhancing the signal-to-noise ratio by cutting down on repetition and on topics particular individuals don't care about (like UCD or the NID, whether Penn is a 750- or 900-lb gorilla, or at which Green Line the gang will assemble before walking over to the University City Chamber Ensemble and String Band Concert at the First Crustacean Church). This will leave the bandwidth (and participants email in-boxes) free for topics in which they're really interested. So, to carry this idea even further, while avoiding some of the nasty and wholly-fabricated accusations of elitism, discrimination, social injustice, know-nothingism, etc that have been circulating, the new sweetbarkingcheese.com list has been subdivided so people can join just those segments in which they're interested. There will be a comment period during which people (except, of course, for Glenn, who's been banned by Kyle) can make suggestions before the actual menu of lists is launched. Proposals so far -- and they're meant to be self-explanatory -- are: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List
That's one way to do it, but it saves a lot of trouble for everyone involved if the tap is turned off at the source. Glenn has shown again and again that he can't be trusted to obey the rules of reasonable behaviour, and I see no reason why his disinclusion from a list devoted to, among other things, reasonable discussion of neighborhood issues ought to be a problem. Censorship implies some judgement of the material being transmitted, but in this case, it's a judgement of the person writing that material. There's a key difference there. Glenn's ranting takes up my bandwidth, my time and my attention. Banning him isn't censorship. It's hygiene. And let's be honest with ourselves here: How long do you think it took for Glenn to set up a sockpuppet email account and subscribe himself to the new list? I'm guessing about five minutes. Anyone want to take an over/under with me on that one? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:27 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List Sure it is. Any member of this list can turn Glenn off individually with mail filters or the Delete key. That can't be done with someone hollering in public or in a bar or in a City Council meeting. The situations are not the same. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Jul 30, 2007, at 02:16 PM, Mike V. wrote: And I maintain, again, that that's not censorship any more than ejecting the hollering THE END IS NEAR! REPENT! REPENT! guy from city council meetins is censorship. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:08 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List Sure there is. He, himself said he would immediately ban Glenn. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Jul 30, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Mike VanHelder wrote: While I'm more than happy to shake my fist at the forces of oppressive censorship, Sharrieff, I don't know that it's fair to accuse Kyle of doing that before there's any evidence that he's actually doing that. - Mike V. On 7/28/07, S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kyle: While Ross created the Culture listserv, he did not unsubscribe from the UC-List. There are multiple listservs which have popped up over the last couple of years to allow people to privately (in many cases) discuss what is happening on the UC-Listserv! I think your reasons for creating a randomly-moderated listsev sound like sour grapes and an attempt to sensor selected neighbors post. Again, people need to self-police and be more considerate. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:02 AM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List I was hoping to have a few weeks to run tests, but it seems things have boiled over here. The UnivCity listserve has, for me, become less than useless over the past six months. I find it valuable for neighbors to be able to share stories of what's going on in the hood, to plan meetups, and to help one another out which used to happen here when I first signed up. Lately, all I've seen here are vituperative rants and conspiracy theories from the same five people which then inspire the same five other people to fight back which just makes a lot of noise that nobody but those ten people are reading. And in this multi-dozen-message bag of bile we are left to pick out the five useful posts about crime trends in the area and the obituary of a neighborhood friend. So, rather than try and reform a football game that's not mine, I've created an entirely new one that's been running in test mode for a few days with a handful of volunteers. You can sign up for it here: http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors The list is lightly moderated which means, hopefully, significantly less ranting and cranky behavior. I'm going to unsubscribe from univcity and hope to see some of you on the other side where I hope to be able to provide a less antagonistic atmosphere for neighborhood communication. kc You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com
RE: [UC] RE: I Respectfully Decline [Was: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION]
I agree, Karen, that the risk of having nothing but sanitized conversation is a concern, but I'm personally inclined to join the new list and see how things go. It's not like you can't be subscribed to both UC Neighbors and this list, after all, and I don't see any value in pre-judging how the new list is going to work. If it turns out that your fears are justified, well, then I'm all for pitchforks and torches. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:45 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] RE: I Respectfully Decline [Was: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION] I have to respectfully decline joining this list for a number of reasons, but my primary one is this: While Melani claims that there would be civilized conversation, what I fear it will actually be is sanitized conversation. While it's true that many unpleasant things get said on this list, that has been a two-way street. The people claiming to be victims give as good as they get, and just as often send inflammatory posts themselves: remember Serial Liar sends misleading information? How about cheap, greedy, slumlords, Napoleon complex frugal fanatic? A poster in this current thread, Phillip Forrest, sent an ugly post that suggested that, rather than his own use of the delete key, Glenn should kill himself, but somehow that was not viewed as being part of the problem. Isn't sending information as a front for UCD just as misleading? Couldn't the organized effort to enact the BID with carefully planted information be just as easily labeled a conspiracy? What I see as a problem is how will uncivilized be defined on the new list. To me it seems that much of what is being claimed is uncivilized is often a disagreement with the ideas being expressed. I make no secret of the fact that I don't agree with the BID or with what I view as Penn and its supporters having an undue hand in the direction of this neighborhood. That is an unpopular view among those who want Penn's involvement or who make huge business profits because of it. I have not been attacked on the listserv for my opinoins, but I have already been shunned in person for taking that stance. My question is this: What is meant by cilvilized an uncivilized? Is this REALLY a concern about the tone, or is there also a concern about the ideas expressed?Would I be banned for posting things critical of UCD? Or for defending John Fenton (the post-Malcolm X Park John Fenton, not the pre-Malcolm X Park John Fenton). Or will the new list be a forum wherein like-minded people can get together and make unchallenged claiims? Would Phillip Forrest's ugly suggestion that Glenn kill himself get Phillip banned? Karen Allen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION Re: [UC] Since the real reason for the new list is... Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:28:22 EDT In a message dated 7/30/07 11:45:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Kyle didn't start the UCNeighbor list because he was being childish or selfish and walking away with his bat and ball. He started it because the communication on this listserv is becoming petty, myopic and insulting. It's also becoming a crowded room (virtually speaking) with some loud voices trying to drown out the once speaking in a normal tone. Some people do act like they own this list and like to think that they can dictate and frame the conversation and debates that occur here. Many people have started doing the serial deleting of [UC]-labelled emails, because it's become less relevant and helpful to the average UC resident. I don't know about you, but this puts people a hair-trigger away from leaving the listserv and the community discussion that occurs here. No one is excluded or protected on Kyle's new listserv either. You can still take the conversation there, if you want to, and your bat and ball. This weekend, the heavy-handed people on the purple list found out that their readers now have the option to move away, and clearly, they don't want that to happen. So - did they offer to moderate their language and help develop a set of guidelines? No, they became even more heavy-handed! Several attacked Bruce Anderson for suggesting guidelines. Some even tried to blame Jon Herrmann, who wrote that he had not read the last 13,000 emails posted on the purple list in the last 15 months - now, that shows how involved HE is, doesn't it? Some renewed conspiracy theories, one generated new spoof posts, and as usual, a small but noisy group attacked the person who saw a need to do something and actually DID it. But, why should we be stuck with a dysfunctional list which will not change? I came in for criticism for saying it would
RE: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List
What makes you think I'm posting happily on the new list? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Wattles Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:14 PM To: UC List Subject: Re: [UC] I've Created a New (Moderated) University City Mailing List On Jul 30, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Mike V. wrote: Glenn's ranting takes up my bandwidth, my time and my attention. Banning him isn't censorship. It's hygiene. And you are taking our bandwidth, our time, and our attention. Go to the list where you are rid of him, and leave us alone. It's interesting how many people are posting happily on the new list and are still on this one making the same tedious points, over and over. It's not enough to have your own shiny, new list, but you have to stick around here and trash it up further. Have the courage of your convictions, please. -- Kirk Wattles [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Fuck UCD and Shakespeare in the Park
I'm confused -- UCD (presumably) paid for the production, or at least part of it. Why not then get some credit for their contribution? It's simple quid-pro-quo, no? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:13 PM To: UnivCity listserv; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Fuck UCD and Shakespeare in the Park As crazy as Glenn may be, I think that one valid point he has been making (and making and making and making) is that Commercial entities ( like UCD try to claim true artistic content as their own, and market it to the masses for the sole purpose of making money (MAMMON). That's why I'm royally pissed to see the big banner in Clark Park advertising Shakespeare in the Park as another lame UCD product. Shakespeare in Clark Park was totally the brain flash of Marla Burkholder, a REAL actress, and friends. Marla will be playing Juliet. But UCD has to insert itself as the sponsor. If Wendell Lewis gets up to make a speech on opening night about how UCD brings you Shakespeare in Clark Park, I will be the first to hurl a tomato and holde up FUCK UCD signs. Lewis Wendell is a crass middleman, seeking to gain PROFIT for himself and his organization, by sponging off and parasiting the artistic talents of the Shakespearean artists who really bring you Shakespeare in Clark Park. Fuck the Middleman, commercial geeks and profit seekers, and ALL HAIL to the ARTISTS of our HOOD, performing because they can't help themselves. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
[UC] RE: District child wins Nobel Prize for Hamlet
How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct. (Benjamin Disraeli) - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:36 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: District child wins Nobel Prize for Hamlet From the famous Hamlet Soliloquy: To be, or not to be; that is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune Or to be a pathetic plagiarist like Mike V. And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep. Hamlet was conceived and written by Mike Van Asshole You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [SPAM] Re: [UC] How park planning really works
All this he promised, and through sunset's gate He swept me, past the lapping lakes of flame, And red-gold thrones of gods without a name Who shriek in fear at some impending fate. Then a black gulf with sea-sounds in the night: Here was your home, he mocked, when you had sight! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:38 AM To: J. Matthew Wolfe; 'Anthony West'; 'University City List' Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [UC] How park planning really works Thanks Matt, It's refreshing to see an honest account and I think historical accuracy is a very big deal. There is another point that is very important. After all the disingenuous attempts to block your motion, I believe the acceptance of the UCD plan by the membership of FOCP carried by a slim margin because the proponents lied to the membership. You may remember that the proponents of the UCD plan claimed that it was too late to do a plan honestly including the participation of FOCP members or park stakeholders. They lied by insisting the plan was dead with no action scheduled. They also insisted that before any individual portions of the plan would be implemented in the future that the community would have plenty of opportunities to raise issues or questions. It was almost immediately clear that we were lied to about the plan being dead with no intention to implement it. Parts of the plan were implemented almost immediately after the vote like moving and changing the play area. The lies to me were continued during this time about the reasons that park stakeholders were barred from the planning committee even as the new play area went up. Do you know what lie I finally received about barring the Clark Park Music and Arts Community? The FOCP president you backed told me that in addition to my bad character that CPMAC did not have the same 501 c 3 status as FOCP and SHCA and that is why Penn would not allow us to be part of the community. He was mad at me because the FOCP looked like propagandists and outright liars after the City Paper covered the FOCP survey against park users. I don't know if you were aware that FOCP was claiming that nearly a third of local residents called the police against the Clark Park festival and Woodland Ave Reunion. It was something like 80% of the community wanted FOCP to take action against us. Like with the dog park, UCD partners seem to always get at least 80% approval of all good folks with their surveys. The FOCP leaders came across as bullies and liars. They blamed me for not accepting my punishment and obeying their rule even though I begged Paul, Cindi, and Sue not to make idiots of themselves. I think they believed because I had long hair and associated with those they considered park criminals that I wasn't going to be able to show that their survey was not simple idiocy; but an intentional attempt to manufacture a false problem. Back to the present times. Last November, Mr. West posted a lie on the listserv claiming that 17 public meetings had been conducted and that the UCD park plan was now policy. Of course, it was the first time we heard about the UCD plan since the motion to reject it was barely rejected by the FOCP membership. Blocking your legitimate attempts to communicate with the membership is a process that has gotten much worse under the iron rule of Mr. West and Siano. I did not know Mr. West and I took your advice and voted for him. Wow, were you wrong! Matt, I know you sincerely believe that civic associations like FOCP and SHCA are more of a positive than negative for the community. You are wrong about that. As an example, I built an excellent relationship with various parts of the Department of Recreation when I started the CPMAC. The FOCP were the most notorious civic association of cranks among these city employees. More than once, I had to make a serious explanation that we had nothing to do with them. As a further example of harm, I had posted how the same FOCP leaders back then prevented me from proposing the farmer's market to the community via FOCP membership meeting. The negatives far outnumber the positives from these associations, which are increasingly recognized as a lobbying platform for neighborhood bullies. These organizations have no intention of reform and the treacherous UCD partnerships are just the latest problem in a long history of the evolution of these associations. West Philadelphia would be much better off if we demanded that these organizations be shunned by all funding or governmental agencies because of their actions against the public and community . I have been much too passive against these groups and have not taken the kinds of actions against them as they have so often done against my own community service. I think those of us willing to act up need to join together not only against the UCD rule but also to once and for all
RE: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!
I saw the body spread on that dank stone, And knew those things which feasted were not men; I knew this strange, grey world was not my own, But Yuggoth, past the starry voids - and then The body shrieked at me with a dead cry, And all too late I knew that it was I! It's really amazing how well this poem works. Glenn, could it be that you're Lovecraft, reincarnated and infinitely more petty? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! Now you're starting to get it. I'm sorry; I've been so busy that I haven't been able to help you with this resurfacing problem. Let me try to give you some further help. Rememember, the transfer of the eastern end of Baltimore Ave to Penn School of Vetrinary Medicine. Sure, we were told it was all done to make the traffic patterns better at the VA hospital. A lot of people on the list claimed that that was a lie and the whole project was to turn over Baltimore Ave for the Penn expansion. I didn't get involved then because I like big buildings and the veterans are used to being treated like shit anyway. The fact that this became a much more dangerous place for the older VA patients to cross is an acceptable inconvenience for Penn. If we found out which agencies in the state and city were involved, and if we found out which Penn officials and entities at Penn were involved; we could begin to understand the current UC district resurfacing. Corporations tend to bundle together their deals. I don't think anyone announced on the list that Penn has recently disclosed that they operate alobbying office in Washington (it was in one of the Penn publications within the past year). I was told several years ago that Penn was becoming very helpful to the regular operations of government on the state and local level. Much like we see locally, UCD and Penn infiltrates the government like civic associations with their employees joining the civic association boards. If we can find these previously involved parties in the Baltimore Ave transfer to Penn, we can then further refine our investigation into the current tendency to resurface district streets unneccessarily while other city streets crumble. I think this waste and towing process has gotten our neighbors attention. Keep me up to date with your progress, I'll try to offer my brain power to help your investigation as time allows. Your buddy, Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! Paranoid indeed! Helpless indeed! But let's begin at the beginning in the fight back! Let's ask Them, in a single voice: what were the times, dates and locations of the 27 meetings at which the paving decisions were made and what were the times, dates, locations and font sizes of the notices of each of the 27 meetings? Let's just start there and consider more questions after we get a response, or non-response from Them. The gauntlet has been thrown down. My name. -Original Message- From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:58 am Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! You go dude! I'm glad you are ready to stand up with the people. I'm afraid; however, that in your zeal to join the movement to restore accountability, there is a helplessness in your voice still coming from your time in the district. I've noticed in the helpless portion of the middle class, a fatalistic attitude about government leads the ignorant to lable government as evil and respond with learned helplessness. I believe this makes communities vulnerable to these unethical, unaccountable, deceptive corporate fronts like UCD. Isn't it simply amazing to watch the fallacious arguments against my priorities become based in the road resurfacing problem? I see this as a aymptom of this group feeling of helplessness Reasonible people understand that a resource starved government could improve if it wasn't forced to answer to corporations instead of the people. Your mistake is this. While your attempt to stir up somje understanding about the problems with the road resurfacing is good, something about your style leads the reader to come away with a feeling of helplessness rather than a strength to stand up and say, what must be done? Also, your end makes you seem paranoid. Let's try this: People of West Philadelphia. Stand up and demand some answers about the waste of resources being directed into the constant resurfacing of our streets. The people deserve to know why this is being done and why it is not being done in a manner that respects the neighbors. Where is this decision being made? Why
RE: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!
The daemon said that he would take me home To the pale, shadowy land I half recalled As a high place of stair and terrace, walled With marble balustrades that sky-winds comb, While miles below a maze of dome on dome And tower on tower beside a sea lies sprawled. Once more, he told me, I would stand enthralled On those old heights, and hear the far-off foam. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:51 AM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! Possibly but I'm not good at remembering my past lives. I'm so sorry Mikey. I do; however, remember when I stepped on you while you were feasting on that bullshit. It was an accident and I wasn't being my petty self while I was walking with Ghandi on our way to make salt. I realized that fly was indeed you after i heard you were Asian. I'm sorry someone pointed out that someone was pathetically posting clips of others' poems without giving them credit. I wanted you to continue to make a disingenuous fool of yourself. Your example will help to show why no one needs to be afraid of list assholes. Keep wanking dude! Thank you Mikey, thank you, Glenn PS Say hi to the other BID boys for me Mikey - Original Message - From: Mike V. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Glenn' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! I saw the body spread on that dank stone, And knew those things which feasted were not men; I knew this strange, grey world was not my own, But Yuggoth, past the starry voids - and then The body shrieked at me with a dead cry, And all too late I knew that it was I! It's really amazing how well this poem works. Glenn, could it be that you're Lovecraft, reincarnated and infinitely more petty? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! Now you're starting to get it. I'm sorry; I've been so busy that I haven't been able to help you with this resurfacing problem. Let me try to give you some further help. Rememember, the transfer of the eastern end of Baltimore Ave to Penn School of Vetrinary Medicine. Sure, we were told it was all done to make the traffic patterns better at the VA hospital. A lot of people on the list claimed that that was a lie and the whole project was to turn over Baltimore Ave for the Penn expansion. I didn't get involved then because I like big buildings and the veterans are used to being treated like shit anyway. The fact that this became a much more dangerous place for the older VA patients to cross is an acceptable inconvenience for Penn. If we found out which agencies in the state and city were involved, and if we found out which Penn officials and entities at Penn were involved; we could begin to understand the current UC district resurfacing. Corporations tend to bundle together their deals. I don't think anyone announced on the list that Penn has recently disclosed that they operate alobbying office in Washington (it was in one of the Penn publications within the past year). I was told several years ago that Penn was becoming very helpful to the regular operations of government on the state and local level. Much like we see locally, UCD and Penn infiltrates the government like civic associations with their employees joining the civic association boards. If we can find these previously involved parties in the Baltimore Ave transfer to Penn, we can then further refine our investigation into the current tendency to resurface district streets unneccessarily while other city streets crumble. I think this waste and towing process has gotten our neighbors attention. Keep me up to date with your progress, I'll try to offer my brain power to help your investigation as time allows. Your buddy, Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! Paranoid indeed! Helpless indeed! But let's begin at the beginning in the fight back! Let's ask Them, in a single voice: what were the times, dates and locations of the 27 meetings at which the paving decisions were made and what were the times, dates, locations and font sizes of the notices of each of the 27 meetings? Let's just start there and consider more questions after we get a response, or non-response from Them. The gauntlet has been thrown down. My name. -Original Message- From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:58 am Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! You go dude! I'm glad you
RE: [UC] Fw: what the hell happned to you?
But it is pretty funny, in that tragicomic death-of-a-clown sort of way. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FX Winkler Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:32 PM To: Glenn Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Fw: what the hell happned to you? Glenn, Get some help. Your public psychotic break is not pretty. fx winkler Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by Glenn as suggested by the Friends of Clark Park: - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: what the hell happned to you? Glen, Someone forwarded me your post this morning. My question is when did you become such a whining pussy? Man it must suck to be you. You aren't funny and you aren't cool. Negative posts like yours are why I unsubscribed to the list. However I drafted a response. Feel free to post if you like. Your former friend, Chris What a clown! He is so twisted by vendetta against UCD and FOCP that he thinks that every meeting hides something evil. Glen doesn't get invited to meetings because he doesn't do anything positive, nobody wants to work with him. He makes the world such a crappy place. It must suck to be him. The mission of FOCP is to improve the physical conditions of Clark Park. As a director I volunteer my time and resources to projects to implement that goal. Last week UCD approached FOCP about using summer high school help to clean up Clark Park. This morning I toured the park with Dexter and TJ things and we put together a work plan for the kids to clean up the park. Our list included: . Weeding the paths and tree rings . Weeding the Dickens area and cutting back the ivy around the trees and shrubs . Cutting new tree rings to protect the newly planted trees from lawnmowers and string trimmers . Weeding the flower beds at 43rd and Baltimore and 45th and Chester . Weeding the playground so we can put down fresh, clean mulch for the kids to play on . Cleaning out the dirt from the street along Chester Avenue that clogs up the drain. The idea is that local kids benefit from summer jobs and the community benefits from their labor. I offered my professional advice as a landscape designer and familiarity with the park to craft a meaningful and productive work plan. FOCP volunteers will be building on the kid's efforts and mulching on Saturday. On Sunday Brad Zinn and 40 members from his local church will be working in the park instead of sitting inside for service. I will be volunteering my time both days and coordinating the landscape improvements. True, UCD may be undertaking these improvements in advance of the Orchestra show, but FOCP's motives are to improve the park for everyday park users, including Glen. The benefits of this work will extend to the community long after the Orchestra has left. The Orchestra is exclusively a UCD event and FOCP is not a partner, nor were we consulted in this event. It's their party. But if UCD wants to provide labor and resources to improve the park I am grateful. The park needs a lot of work and FOCP is working hard with our numerous partners to make it a nicer, cleaner place. An example is the 85 new trees that were installed by FOCP with volunteer labor. Funny I don't remember Glen showing up to help out on any of those days. He must have been busy whining on some half assed list served about how UCD stole his couch or how FOCP conspired to stop one of his dinky festivals. Man, he ran those things into the ground. Its one thing not to help out people trying to make the community a better place but an entirely different thing to mock people who are trying to make the community better. That is so alarmingly selfish and it's so freaking sad. I knew Glen Moyer in the mid 1980's. He was a pretty cool guy. I considered him my friend. I don't know what happened to him or how he became so uncool. Chris Leswing Vice President Friends of Clark Park Chair of the Tree Committe Very interesting morning guys. We can call me a conspiracy theory guy for looking at the recent history of patterns with the park and these entities. I know that only processoholics like the Mt Airy criminals look at the past and at general patterns. What is it that we say about FOCP and UCD? We sweep the past under a rug and rule the way to a cleaner safer future. Well, good news! As I was breaking the law this morning with the off leash, evil Sam; I saw that we were back to normal. I saw the FOCP Vice President on the planning committee leading around a UCD guy and another guy in Clark Park. Got get this done before the rich folks and orchestra come! It was definitly the FOCP that was leading the group and pointing to the various plants, etc around the Dicken's statue. The UCD and the person I assumed was a potential city fenton were taking notes. Thank the powers over
RE: [UC] BID and the Public Record
At last the key was mine to those vague visions Of sunset spires and twilight woods that brood Dim in the gulfs beyond this earth's precisions, Lurking as memories of infinitude. The key was mine, but as I sat there mumbling, The attic window shook with a faint fumbling. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] BID and the Public Record Guy, Please don't allow this type of stuff to be intimidating. There was nothing wrong with your post. This tactic has been well examined on the list. While there continue to be a few bullies that can't stop this type of intimidation, remember that the majority of listserv subscribers are readers of the public list not lurkers. The vast majority will see this type of tactic and intimidation used against you for what it is. On the Mt Airy BID: I happened to run into a copy of the Mt Airy Times Express. Instead of a hand-picked board by the University of Pennsylvania Real Estate executives, their BID board will be chosen by election of the stakeholders. The meeting is announced in their local paper and the entire community is invited to the public meeting. Al, Ray, and you have all posted the obvious differences. I hadn't really paid attention to the Mt Airy BID because the only information that I had seen came from West's Public Record polemic. I generally trust the man in the moon more than the Public Record at this point. Let me drive Melani, West and the real conspiracy gang crazy. Sincerely, 007UCD and the evil empire - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [UC] BID and the Public Record Mr West I apologize for not signing my last post to you. My name is Guy Laren. I think that I did not intend to fool anyone and that not-signing was simply an oversight. I've made the mistake before and I'll try not to make it again. However, I was disappointed that the primary focus of your response to me was to address my lack of a signature and the deeper character flaws that it implied. I'll re-read my post to see whether the other features in my post were so unworthy to not merit a response from you. Thank you Mr Ellington for coming to my defense, but I'll listen to Mr West's advise and go back to lurking. Mr West, Thanks again for the diamond ring. It was the perfect size and color. Guy Laren _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM
RE: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy!
I saw the body spread on that dank stone, And knew those things which feasted were not men; I knew this strange, grey world was not my own, But Yuggoth, past the starry voids - and then The body shrieked at me with a dead cry, And all too late I knew that it was I! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! You go dude! I'm glad you are ready to stand up with the people. I'm afraid; however, that in your zeal to join the movement to restore accountability, there is a helplessness in your voice still coming from your time in the district. I've noticed in the helpless portion of the middle class, a fatalistic attitude about government leads the ignorant to lable government as evil and respond with learned helplessness. I believe this makes communities vulnerable to these unethical, unaccountable, deceptive corporate fronts like UCD. Isn't it simply amazing to watch the fallacious arguments against my priorities become based in the road resurfacing problem? I see this as a aymptom of this group feeling of helplessness Reasonible people understand that a resource starved government could improve if it wasn't forced to answer to corporations instead of the people. Your mistake is this. While your attempt to stir up somje understanding about the problems with the road resurfacing is good, something about your style leads the reader to come away with a feeling of helplessness rather than a strength to stand up and say, what must be done? Also, your end makes you seem paranoid. Let's try this: People of West Philadelphia. Stand up and demand some answers about the waste of resources being directed into the constant resurfacing of our streets. The people deserve to know why this is being done and why it is not being done in a manner that respects the neighbors. Where is this decision being made? Why are the resources not used to fix city streets where they are broken. The government is not a corporation. The government owes the people answers and a responsible process. With this resurfacing (over the summer here in the University of Pennsylvania ruled district), the government is treating the people like unaccountable unethical corporate entities do. This must stop now! There is anger about this process and people deserve answers. A new accountability activist, Your name - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: [UC] Move your cars! Fight the conspiracy! Neighbors: If your car is parked on a milled street, please pay attention to where the UCD paving crews are working. Don't be surprised if your car disappears or gets paved over. (And speaking of disappeared, has anyone seen Ross lately? I'm afraid he got loaded and left himself on the street on the wrong day, then got milled together with various straw men so often found hanging around our neighborhood.) A crew is at this moment finishing the 4600 block of Hazel Avenue. (And you know, I pay taxes here, but no one asked me if I wanted the block repaved. Worse, there are people on either side of me who are not homeowners, didn't get charged taxes, and no one asked them either. They didn't even ask CPN to offer 3 representatives so they could hand pick a rep.) 46th below Baltimore is done, I believe (why is it that the entire list has been intimidated into silence and is afraid to speak up about the missing Woodlands deer herd? Only one person dared speak, and only off list. I fear the fox I saw was actually a red herring in the cemetery.) Based on the sad imported post, 43rd Street, or at least parts of it, was also done yesterday. Poor neighbor is still wandering the streets searching for grandma's old car. (I suspect the real problem is that the phony yuppie FOCP cabal had a meeting for which notice was given only of the time and place, but not the date, published in the newspaper in a half page ad which was in the wrong section of the paper, secretly discussed the historical significance of the 25+ year old car, that it was painted in historically inaccurate color, with insufficient lead to boot, resulting in a clandestine call to UCD, which then communicated to the Department of Records which, although it has nothing to do with the REPUBLICAN Parking Authority, then towed the car to an undisclosed, unsecured location for the good of the community.) So if you left your car on milled streets like 4700 block of Hazel, 4700 - ? Cedar, 46th above Baltimore, you've been warned! I'm not kidding, a large crew of workers is in plain sight, paving right now. (Earlier, I kept hearing these faint sirens and a voice on a loudspeaker: ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Please move your cars immediately! If you favor UCD,
RE: [UC] A UCD world record
The day had come again, when as a child I saw - just once - that hollow of old oaks, Grey with a ground-mist that enfolds and chokes The slinking shapes which madness has defiled. It was the same - an herbage rank and wild Clings round an altar whose carved sign invokes That Nameless One to whom a thousand smokes Rose, aeons gone, from unclean towers up-piled. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:27 AM To: Kyle Cassidy; Dan Myers Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] A UCD world record Very interesting morning guys. We can call me a conspiracy theory guy for looking at the recent history of patterns with the park and these entities. I know that only processoholics like the Mt Airy criminals look at the past and at general patterns. What is it that we say about FOCP and UCD? We sweep the past under a rug and rule the way to a cleaner safer future. Well, good news! As I was breaking the law this morning with the off leash, evil Sam; I saw that we were back to normal. I saw the FOCP Vice President on the planning committee leading around a UCD guy and another guy in Clark Park. Got get this done before the rich folks and orchestra come! It was definitly the FOCP that was leading the group and pointing to the various plants, etc around the Dicken's statue. The UCD and the person I assumed was a potential city fenton were taking notes. Thank the powers over the land, the FOCP is once again in charge now that the tree killing is pinned on the fenton like city! Last winter, I begged and demanded that the leaders of the board of FOCP stop treating the community like UCD does, as an enemy which will forever be banned behind a stone wall. Every time anything goes wrong, the same in charge folks at FOCP are just a humble bunch of volunteers and the city came and screwed everyone. These excuses are getting pretty old. I worked with Rec for several years with great communication until UCD, FOCP/SHCA destroyed it. Why can't these elite experts do as well as a crazy like me? Remember, the reason that we need to embrace plutocracy is because the city is too incompetent and refuses to deal with the trees. Most neighbors know that UCD and FOCP do everything and deserve all credit for everything that happens in the park. But hey, what do conspiracy people know with their hallucinations? I think I went crazy even before I tried to teach the FOCP how to get a special trash pick-up. Another FOCP enemy, the Woodland AVe Reunion taught me back when we had a community instead of a district. I propose that since the FOCP and UCD are too stupid to deal with the city, we ask the city to direct all further communication about Clark Park to a responsible person in West Philadelphia who is known for dealing with the public honestly, Glenn Moyer. Let's let the elite folks get back to their expertise in the field of social fertilizer sometimes known as bullshit. Please send your letters to the Department of Recreation and City Council. Thank you, 007UCD PS: If you want to talk about the resurfacing waste, talk about it. If you want to use it in a bizarre attempt to attack my priorities or sanity, you are employing a disreputable technique. Just trying to help. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Chicken soup for the NID
It's because of Al's big secret -- he doesn't actually want a free and open debate about the BID. What he wants is to obfuscate the issue with enough vindictive rhetoric that anyone trying to actually form a reasoned opinion about the topic can't, like a squid frantically filling the waters with ink churning its flailing tentacles so nobody can pin it down. Greed and ego drives men to do terrible things. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Chicken soup for the NID You-know-who? Voldemort? Yes, I know you are talking about Melani. Happy Harry Potter Day to those who like him and the movies. Scare monger is a mean term to describe you Al, and I apologize for using it. But it seems that anytime I want to engage in a civil discussion with you (or with the list) you must chime in to discourage chat about it, because it's DEAD. Right? You made an excellent point with Elvis. He's dead (as far as we know and I believe) and yet people still talk about him. So why can't I talk about a dead topic, and really ask what the community wants? Why can't we have a Improvement Organization where the $ is based on non-profit status, and we don't use any of the other organizations (non profit or otherwise)? Ok, so some people don't like the UCD, Penn, FoCP, or some other organization (or individual people). Is there a reason why you don't want the neighborhood improved with better lighting, cleaner streets and sidewalks, or better safety/security? Just think of the concept of that and only that and try to answer my 4 questions...they really aren't that hard (and you can't be wrong!). adTHANKSvance, Dan Myers On 7/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:58:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe you (or you are misinformed), especially when people are still talking about it. You are known as a scare monger ... They wouldn't be the same people who are still talking about seeing Elvis in the checkout line at the old Penn Fruit, would they? Al (I haven't been called a scaremonger since the HD proposal got dumped into the dustbin of the Anointed and even you-know-who finally admitted it to herself) Krigman _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . -- to the power of breathing, Dan Myers Intuitive Masseur 215.901.0899
RE: [UC] A UCD world record
Then who built the death ray pointed at Glenn's house? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:26 PM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] A UCD world record I believe that's also the reason why Ray Rorke has decided to go for one whole year entirely without Penn money or agendas! In truth, Friends of Clark Park has received little or no funds directly from UCD over the years. Like any sensible non-profit public works association, it is in the business of encouraging donors large and small to put their money into the park. FoCP has partnered with the Penna. Dept. of Agriculture, the Penna. Dept. of Conservation and Natural Resources, Citizens Bank, the Pennsylvania Horticultural Society, the City of Philadelphia and University City District, to name just a few. Each one of these grantors has an agenda, of course. A park support group's mission is to bring that agenda into line with the park's own agenda. Precisely because there are so many players in this game, it is impossible for any one of their agendas to play the dominant role that paranoids crave for UCD. So yes, there is Dr. No for you here, Ray. Sorry! -- Tony West UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Anthony West wrote: Still less powerful are the myriad of smaller community agents such as UCD and various civic associations. In real life, they seldom act entirely in concert with each other. And there is no mastermind, no 'Dr. No' scheming relentlessly to make every single unpleasant thing in town happen to you. indeed, this is why focp has decided to go for one whole year without ucd money or agendas! ROCK ON, FRIENDS OF CLARK PARK, YOU SMALL AND LESS POWERFUL COMMUNITY AGENT SELDOM IN CONCERT WITH UCD!! [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Chicken soup for the NID
He wrapped himself in quotations -- as a beggar would enfold himself in the purple of Emperors. - Kipling -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:06 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Chicken soup for the NID In a message dated 7/11/2007 3:33:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's because of Al's big secret -- he doesn't actually want a free and open debate about the BID. People who know what others are thinking remind me of the joke in Freud's Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious (unlike some people around here, I don't post other people's work and pretend it's my own). One day, the rabbi in a small village near Lvov rushed into the Schul and told everybody he had received a vision in a dream that the venerable Chief Rabbi of Minsk had died. The whole congregation went into mourning about the passing of this great scholar. A week later, a traveler from Minsk came to the village. Naturally, everybody rushed over to him with condolences and questions about the passing of the Chief Rabbi. But, he's not dead, the traveler said. I saw him only four days ago and he was alive and well. The villagers rushed over to their own rabbi's house, to complain about his giving them false information. He replied, Ah, maybe the vision I got in my dream from Minsk was wrong. But, you have to admit what a wonderful thing it was to have received any vision at all in a dream from such a long distance, even if it was wrong. Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny _ Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
RE: [UC] Tree removals in Clark Park
No one had seen me take the thing - but still A blank laugh echoed in my whirling head, And I could guess what nighted worlds of ill Lurked in that volume I had coveted. The way grew strange - the walls alike and madding - And far behind me, unseen feet were padding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:42 PM To: Lewis Mellman; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tree removals in Clark Park Thanks for your explanation. I can believe that you are sincerely conveying what you believe about this tree killing. Before I speak about the credibility of the FOCP and UCD, let me remind you of a few issues. UCD has had that tree on its hit list since the unpopular Clark Park revitalization was first pushed in 2001. This unpopular plan was put on hold until last year when it was championed by FOCP while secrecy about details was demanded. Now, UCD is preparing for the orchestra. UCD is widely known as an unethical entity that fronts for Penn's real estate interests. It is not interested or accountable to the people of this community. It has been known to wait out an unpopular agenda and strike later while pretending that the action was always popular and approved by its partners like the FOCP. It's much more likely given these facts and UCD's established tactics that UCD was involved with this removal and is lying about it. Let's be real, would anything be done by the city in Clark Park without UCD's involvement? There are two possibilities. Perhaps, Penn/UCD has recently decided to push ahead on its own while escalating contempt for little people in the civic associations. Perhaps, it believes the UCD culture is so addicted to its rule that it will beg Penn to continue towards plutocracy even now after fentonization has helped expose the thing that UCD is. I believe that the outing of the 3 choice model for approving the community representatives has become widely known. It may indeed mark the turning point in the inevitable dumping of the associations. Several of us who have understood the UCD have understood that civic associations were being used to turn power over to UCD but would eventually be fentonized too. There are lots of indicators that Penn has pulled off the gloves and has thick brass knuckles waiting. It's perfectly believable that UCD did not include any one from the leadership of the Board of FOCP in this tree killing operation. I believe that Penn/UCD will begin using the same arguments against orgs like FOCP and SHCA as I have. These are just little clubs and not representative of the community. Haven't these orgs been cited for years when UCD/Penn is spinning that the community unanimously supports corporate rule? Is it time for UCD to ditch the spent civic gangs especially if they resist? However, there is another possibility. I have always stressed the difference in my FOCP literature between the membership, the board, and the leaders of the board of FOCP. In my opinion, it's broadly recognized in the community at large that civic association boards do not represent their members or the community as claimed. What I don't think is so widely known is that much of the civic association policy enacted during this UCD era is not understood by even the members of the civic association's own board. That is part of the reason it is difficult to level appropriate criticism of these association boards without confusing or angering the reasonable but passive ones among them. It also explains why I could believe that your account of the tree killing is hopeful and sincere but yet not true. I can believe that some of you believe this story about the city operating alone. No one would be more accepting of the city's judgment than I would if the city unequivocally stated that it would no longer work with the FOCP or UCD because these entities act against the public interest. I don't believe that is the case yet. I believe a few from your FOCP could have been involved with approving the tree killing yet have spun this tale to the rest of you about the city acting unilaterally. I've seen this before. It comes with the defects with the real purposes that direct the civic associations. Years ago, you didn't know what your leaders were attempting against park users until I told you. To your credit, you did speak up against these continued occurrences once I made them known. At times like this tree killing is when the overall credibility of the FOCP comes into play. I feel bad for all of you who might try to build up the FOCP while others burn its credibility. Civic associations could be service organizations for those whom would like to organize things for the general benefit of the community. These also can evolve into lobbying organizations pushing agendas on behalf of the few. When this happens, the boards give spin to their members, and the
RE: [UC] A UCD world record
I do not know what windings in the waste Of those strange sea-lanes brought me home once more, But on my porch I trembled, white with haste To get inside and bolt the heavy door. I had the book that told the hidden way Across the void and through the space-hung screens That hold the undimensioned worlds at bay, And keep lost aeons to their own demesnes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:38 PM To: Dan Myers Cc: Kyle Cassidy; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] A UCD world record Well, sorry if I made your head spin like the exorcist chick. I hope you didn't get that green stuff coming out too. I'm happy for you that you agree with most of my opinions. However, you clearly don't agree with my assessments of the damage to communication that can be done with what we might politely call fallacious argument strategies. The character attacks or ad hominem strategy against individuals who voice their opinions or relevant stories is mean and also destructive to the type of communication required among citizens in a republic. It is the predominant goal of the red herring and Cassidy/West favorite, straw man technique, to obfuscate someone's position or opinion deliberately rather than offer any credible refutation. Although it is generally done pathetically, this is done by cowards and bullies to silence dissent. Done by a pack of jackals, it can be extremely intimidating to those not so seasoned at receiving these.. Have you noticed that the full participation of the group I call the listserv jackals has temporarily slowed since some of us deconstructed these techniques on the list so that the techniques can be more easily spotted? As I've said before, no one is intimidated by me because they think I will satirize them for simply stating their opinions. But what is truly intimidating is to watch the list jackals attack an individual with nothing credible and make it almost impossible to enter into a civilized discussion with other mature adults. It was amazing to watch the free pass given to those that will dishonor themselves deliberately employing these mean obfuscation strategies because they don't have credible arguments to offer. Then, to watch the indignant sensibilities come out of those whom refuse to confront the seriously damaging posts. You might not see it as such, but I see this as a terrible problem effecting our society and list. Van Helder is such an obvious punk that he can be ignored, but West and Cassidy should be ridiculed by citizens and not just avoided like Van Helder. Sometimes a macroexample better demonstrates the seriousness of the problem. It's similar to attempting to silence a peace advocate by immediately insisting that his views prove his cowardice. It's not a message designed to convince the peace activist but is a serious message to confuse and intimidate the majority watching. We've seen that particular argument help lead to the culpability of so many neighbors in the initial illegal invasion of Iraq still haunting us. I almost got myself beaten up just before the war by standing behind my principals asserting politely that it was a fallacious argument to call peace activists cowards. It looks as if you don't think I should have taken a tone with Cassidy in which I treat him like an immature brat. Well, it's my opinion that humorous literary techniques become more effective the more voyeuristic and the more ignorant or unsophisticated the audience. Not that they are not also fun to read or write at any time, but sometimes the technique is much more effective when conveying the essence of the relevant problem. On the list, we've already covered with exposition what a straw man strategy involves and Cassidy still relies on it like the addict relies on heroin. It also hasn't lead to a flurry of posts discouraging the strategy by folks who understand the destructiveness and intimidation it causes. Cassidy and others need to see how pathetic and disingenuous the strategy becomes and how it will lead to a lack of credibility. Swift could have written ignored volumes about proper treatment of the Irish but he attacked the principals of the oppressors best when he proposed eating the Irish instead. Please understand, I may not be able to help Cassidy and have nearly given up, but by treating him disrespectfully I may help others not be intimidated by him. Consider this post and you'll find yourself agreeing with me again. Glenn
RE: [UC] Tree removals in Clark Park
Oh, I doubt that. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:42 PM To: Lewis Mellman; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tree removals in Clark Park ... There are many people in this community like myself ... You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Have you seen this car?
http://community.livejournal.com/west_philly/372095.html Long story short, a friend of mine was parked where they were doing road work. Her car has disappeared, but whether it was moved by the road crews, stolen, or moved then stolen, she doesn't know. It was at 43rd and Chester. Hopefully it's still within a few blocks of there. The vehicle is a turquoise 1993 Ford Tempo missing a lot of paint. You can read more or see a picture of that model Ford at the link above. Cheers, - Mike V.
RE: [UC] Another Clark Park Video worth watching
Brian, how many times do we have to go over this? Don't you remember what the nice police officer told you the last time, about keeping your clothes on in a public place? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:37 AM To: UCityList Subject: [UC] Another Clark Park Video worth watching ... if only to satisfy my naked lust for glory. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1474992351211031065 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] The anointed want to play by their own rules
Note to self: In Al-world, certain people aren't even allowed to ask for the same considerations that any ordinary homeowner could similarly request. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:58 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] The anointed want to play by their own rules This, from the agenda of the next Philadelphia Historical Commission meeting: 400 S. 40th Street OAP, Inc. (University of Pennsylvania), Owner Anthony Forte, Esq. for Tom Lussenhop, Applicant Rescind designation I hope Penn and that master of architectural sensitivity (witness the ugly townhouses he's putting up on the 4200 block of Osage) aren't planning to rip down any lovely Victorian doo-dads or install (I shudder at the very thought) any cheesy vinyl windows. After all, that property surely wasn't historically designated for no reason at all. It's got to be part of our precious heritage. Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Time for the formal complaint
I'm curious, Glenn: Do you buy your tinfoil hats from some sort of catalog, or are they homemade? - Mike V.
RE: [UC] UCD Related - Whoa
So what can we (we being people opposed to the cranks and greedy landlords and other anti-BID forces) do? - Mike V.
RE: [UC] UCD Related - Whoa
Putting more feet on the street and reducing neighborhood crime levels would be my #1. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Giorno Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:07 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] UCD Related - Whoa Mike, Let me know what one requirement, if you were a landowner, you would want UCD or a NID/BID to follow above all others. What major requirement would you make of your local NID/BID? Mario On 6/26/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what can we (we being people opposed to the cranks and greedy landlords and other anti-BID forces) do? - Mike V.
RE: [UC] UCD Related
Are you... are you serious? Is this for real? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Wattles Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:50 PM To: UC List Subject: Re: [UC] UCD Related The principle that UCD is, ultimately, accountable (only) to its funders is fine until you think about it for a moment. That's the same rationale as for a private militia, like in Lebanon. So where do we draw the line between UCD and Hezbollah? Obviously (!) there are differences, but these differences tend to fade when people insist that an organization that operates in a specific geographical space is responsible only to its supporters, and not to others living in the same space. That's why we have government, and processes for putting people in government and holding them accountable. I don't think it so strange that people on this list want to apply some of those principles (representation, transparency, accountability, etc.) to how UCD is run. On Jun 26, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Kyle Cassidy wrote: that ultimately UCD is accountable to it's funders. At the moment, that's not us. I agree that if we want to control the direction of UCD, then we need to be the ones paying for it. [...] UCD's a democracy of it's funders, it's just a question if we want to pony up what it takes to be part of the shareholders club. When you're paying the guy, you get to tell the guy what to do. I think it was Anthony West who was stressing that principle in some of his exchanges with Ray a few weeks ago. -- Kirk Wattles [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] John Fenton: Restoring my faith in city government!
But now where will the velociraptors live? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:32 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] John Fenton: Restoring my faith in city government! As you all know, the landlord who owns the lot next door has been fighting rising property values in the hood with a Native Pennsylvania Weed Farm for some time now: http://www.kylecassidy.com/temp/weeds1.jpg It showcases over 95 varieties of local weeds and scrub plants. This experiment is closely monitored by some neighborhood kids who hide out in the tall grass and throw rocks at one another, occasionally breaking my windows. I complained about it on the list last night and this morning I awoke to find this note: http://www.kylecassidy.com/temp/weeds2.jpg And this! http://www.kylecassidy.com/temp/weeds3.jpg of course efforts to keep housing values in check are still underway at their rental properties: http://www.kylecassidy.com/temp/weeds4.jpg But if this is the new face of Jannie Blackwell's office, I'm a happy camper. Thanks John Fenton. kc You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] City Kitties needs help!
In the original story, Pinocchio stomped on Jiminy Cricket because his constant preaching got tiresome. No joke. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:25 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] City Kitties needs help! In a message dated 6/20/2007 10:45:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my husband and I found a stray [cat] who had what we thought was a broken leg... his leg had to be amputated. ... they are hoping to place him in a permanent home once he recovers. Can you imagine the howling indignation in this online community if someone thinking he or she was being cute joked about stomping the cat to death to put him out of his misery? But some homeless 28-year old human being dying this way on the roof of a vacant apartment building in our tolerant, sophisticated neighborhood? Not only is the indignation almost non-existent, but some of the offenders feel it incumbent on themselves to defend their unconscionable attempts at being oh-so-clever and -- if they're not honorable enough to apologize for their indiscretion -- don't even have the decency or sense to drop it. Jiminy Cricket, where are you now that Pinoccio really needs you? Al Krigman A Real Boy (Pinoccio) - CDisney Framed Art Print by Walt Disney http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PF/282005/PF_1258426~A-Rea l-Boy-Pinoccio-Disney-Posters.jpg _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] University City Gets Rave Review (from UCD)
Gesundheit! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:25 PM To: University City List Subject: [UC] University City Gets Rave Review (from UCD) http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/20070618_University_City_Gets_Ra ve_Review.html I'm amazed nobody has picked up on today's Inky article reporting that, according to UCD's report card, we so suave, debonair, and urbane. And all thanks to you know who. Cmon, dudes, isn't this HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS?? A puff piece in the MAINSTREAM MEDIA just at the particular moment UCD is in so much hot water Tear it apart, dudes. Deconstruct!! Expatiate!! -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
RE: [UC] 49th Locust event
Oh Kyle, why let facts and realities get in the way of good ol' fashioned sensationalism? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:38 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali; Turner,Kathleen; sjminnis; University City Subject: RE: [UC] 49th Locust event I think we all looked at this before -- murders rates are _significantly_ lower in UCD area. http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/ So while this one does fall into the borders of UC, on the whole, it's a lot safer east of 50th. I'm just sayin! kc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali At 49th and Locust a body was found today...in WEST PHILLY... ..but UNIVERSITY CITY is safer and cleaner according to INKY. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Turner,Kathleen Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:18 PM To: sjminnis; University City Subject: RE: [UC] 49th Locust event Thank you for sending this -- we saw the police activity this morning, but couldn't find out what was going on. All the attention seemed to be focused on the abandoned apartment buildings on the southeast corner of 49th and Locust; we were wondering whether it was related to the group of squatters in residence there. Kathleen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sjminnis Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:42 AM To: University City Subject: [UC] 49th Locust event http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20070618_Body_found_on_city_ roof_this_morning.html You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] 49th Locust event
Golly gee Beav, do you think if we stopped making jokes in questionable taste to point out how a fellow boarder attempted to use the news of this man's death to make a political point in far worse taste, the Baby Jesus would come down from heaven and bring him back from the dead, like that Lazarus fellow? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:01 PM To: Mike V. Cc: 'Kyle Cassidy'; 'Ross Bender'; 'University City' Subject: Re: [UC] 49th Locust event a man died. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE
Fashion commentary aside, I'm happy to report that the cat has been found and returned to its home. Yay! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: SKnight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:09 PM To: Ross Bender; Mike V. Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE If you are serious and not being dramatically obtuse, she is one of many celebrity designers today. Her celebrity comes from her being David Spade's sister. She designs handbags mostly, although I could be wrong about this point, and they are sold in Manhattan mostly. Sande - Original Message - From: Ross Bender To: Mike V. Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE Who's Kate Spade? On 6/11/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded for a friend, because she's having trouble sending listmail. A picture of the cat in question can be found at http://flickr.com/photos/addien/281490969/ - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Jessica Haralson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi UC Listserv Just wanted to report a missing pet -- a gray, Russian-blue colored kitty wearing a flea collar who responds to the name Orchard. She was lost around 42nd and Spruce and should stay pretty close to the area. She escaped from 322 S 42nd around 4 PM and we are desperate to find her, so if you spot her please let me know! You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 956.433.9985. Thank you. -- --- -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
Terribly sorry. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:14 PM To: Mike V. Subject: Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS PUBLICLY TO THE LIST SO THAT ALL CAN UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ME!! Sincerely, Me On 6/14/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:07 PM To: University City List Subject: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record Tony's article was almost accurate, and he quoted Liz and Melani, but he neglected to even mention the MOST IMPORTANT local stakeholder, namely ME. I have been typing frantically to this list ever since the proverbial granola hit the fan, questioning facts, challenging evidence, pointing out the evildoers, spouting wild but articulate theories about what exactly happened, offering my years and years' worth of experience in this neighborhood, and what do I get for all my efforts to sincerely serve my beloved University City Village??? EXACTLY NOTHING, that's what!! Or as Hegel put it GAR NICHTS!! What the heck is wrong with Tony? Can't he see the facts that are, or should be, directly under his eyes -- namely, the importance of ME? Is he a dumb jerk or simply misled, or fundamentally evil, or what??? Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. My PROCESS will be clear, transparent, transcendent and NOT UP FOR GRABS. Absolutely ANYBODY is welcome to attend -- whores, wankers, lunatics, druggies -- but PUH-LEAZE, no damn Yuppies. On the other hand I want to be inclusive, so Yuppies are welcome to attend IF THEY ARE READY TO FACE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE and risk getting a pizza in the face. Due to schedule conflicts, I may or may not be attending the PROCESS, but the media will be there, and I know from past experience that they will distort the hell out of this event and not even mention ME, and the IMPORTANCE of ME. Sincerely, ME -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
The beautiful thing about the list is that we're all the color of text here. I don't know what race people are, and frankly I don't want to know -- but as a person of color myself (as if Caucasians are somehow devoid of any shade), I have to say that I find this sort of presentation of an us-vs-them dichotomy both demeaning and damaging to the greater dialogue. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn't HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She's too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] The FOCP complaint
You should see what happens when someone denies him his juicebox before his naptime. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:51 PM Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint Glenn wrote: Neighbors, Earlier today, I hand delivered a written complaint to the office of Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell and staff about the false information being posted publicly by the Friends of Clark Park about last Thursday's, University of Pennsylvania meeting. This publicly observed and documented meeting engaged issues of tremendous neighborhood importance. In my opinion, the Friends of Clark Park organization has become a tremendous embarrassment to the people of this community. You hand delivered a complaint to a City Councilwoman, demanding some form of official city action, because someone _disagreed_ with you on an Internet mailing list? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE
Forwarded for a friend, because she's having trouble sending listmail. A picture of the cat in question can be found at http://flickr.com/photos/addien/281490969/ - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Jessica Haralson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi UC Listserv Just wanted to report a missing pet -- a gray, Russian-blue colored kitty wearing a flea collar who responds to the name Orchard. She was lost around 42nd and Spruce and should stay pretty close to the area. She escaped from 322 S 42nd around 4 PM and we are desperate to find her, so if you spot her please let me know! You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 956.433.9985. Thank you. -- ---
[UC] Official Correspondence To FOMPBLA (Friends of Martian Polar Bears Ladies' Auxilary)
I post this to the public list out of a tragicomically overinflated sense of my own importance. Dear alien, godless killing machines, Though I am neither Martian, nor a polar bear, and indeed your unreasonably implacable foe, I am writing you this letter to ask -- nay, demand! -- that you move this year's annual Martian Polar Bear Cotillion from the 19th to the 18th of August. As you are undoubtedly aware, I have consistently maintained (through various media including the local newspaper classified ads, illegal shortwave radio broadcasts and the simple expedient of taping a television remote control to the side of my head, donning my homemade sandwich board and preaching from the streetcorner) that alien ursines may not present their debutantes on even months when both the day and the year are prime numbers. By holding this year's grand gala on 08/19/07, you are deliberately and maliciously maligning my character by accusing me (de facto if not de jure) of being a prevaricator. I can only assume this is a personal attack! Needless to say, up with this I shall not put! It is a clear and flagrant breach of commonly accepted standards of behaviour! This is a very serious matter, and despite the fact that I have no standing within your organization, nor any rational grounds for my complaint, I nevertheless demand that you comply with my absurd terms and conditions forthwith! Tongueing cheekily, Mike V. P.S. as neither Martians nor bears are particularly internet savvy, could you please print out a copy of this email, wrap it around a large, tasty fish and put it on the next mail rocket to the Red Planet?
RE: [UC] Auntie Ruth's Hemp Bar
We did? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:04 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Fwd: [UC] Auntie Ruth's Hemp Bar OK, I'm game. You I give credit to for genuinely creative writing. That, and you are capable of spelling my name correctly, unlike my buddy. But the real problem is that the Orientals left town soon after the Negroes. Got it? Sincerely, pmuyehara -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 9:30 pm Subject: [UC] Auntie Ruth's Hemp Bar I dropped by the Green Line Mennonite Coffee Shop and Gin Joint this evening for my customary Vanilla Chai Grande Con Molto Abbraccissimo and was brought up short by the sight of a friendly familiar-looking green leaf waving over a display of Auntie Ruth's Hemp Bars. Fearing that I was hallucinating again, I wiped my glasses on a Kleenex and peered closely at the display. Yep, there they were -- Auntie Ruth's Hemp Bars in multiple flavors: mocha java, panama red, thai stick, and tutti-frutti, two bucks apiece. Whoa, I thought, ye olde UC Village gets more and more like Amsterdam everyday. I picked up one of the mocha java bars and waved it at the young lady behind the counter with a broad smile. No way! I enthused. Way! she replied with a wink. Sweet! I countered. Sweet! she replied. So I sat down at my table on the corner, watching the Penn bicycle cops, who would come rushing up to the Failsafe Line in formation, then screech to a stop, pop some wheelies, and scream north on 43rd Street. Every now and then they would get tangled up with some hapless UCD newbie Safety Ambassador, whom the Penn fuzz seem to regard as hopeless amateurs, and a skirmish would ensue, with the predictable result that the UCD guy would get left in the dirt with some bent spokes. As anybody who's been in this neighborhood more than 20 seconds knows, that intersection is one of the liveliest in the hood. If it's not the Penn's Angels and the Ambassadors mixing it up, there are the Explosively Formed Dudes, or EFD's, raging anarchists who rush out of the bushes at irregular intervals and whack the bejesus out of the UC Review box with baseball bats. Sort of a West Philly version of the old Chinese Fire Drill, although I know Uyehara is gonna cite me for derogatory orientalist slander for using that phrase. Anyhow, the Hemp Bar proved to be a major disappointment. First of all, it was composed of bird seed pasted together with soybean juice and a couple of carob chips. Secondly, it didn't do anything. I sat there for a full half hour and nothing happened. Reminded me of the old Fugs' song: I waited thirty minutes for my body to sing I waited and I waited but I couldn't feel a thing, you know I couldn't get high. Oh oh no! Don't know why! Oh yeah yeah! More in sorrow than in anger, I went back and carefronted the chick at the counter. Look, I don't know how to say this, but what you advertize as 'hemp power bars' have absolutely no discernible psychedelic effect. May I inquire about your refund policy? She looked up at me, smiled gently, reached out and stroked my cheek. Brother, you just gotta wait for it to kick in, know what I mean? I looked again at her, and this time a faint scent of patchouli wafted its way toward me. She was staring deep into my eyes, and her eyeballs were pulsating like a lava lamp. The coffee shop muzak was playing If you go to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair... Strobe lights flickered, and the traffic on Baltimore slowed down to a lazy crawl. Whoa! Duddetttetttette I stammered. Feel the buzz? she crooned. Clutching my chai, I staggered back to my table. A yellow submarine floated tranquilly into the Park, no doubt on its way to the Bowl. Then a curious convoy made its way east along the Avenue -- three luminescent green Hummers preceded a whacking great long Penn Transit bus, carrying all of three passengers, then a Penn Escort minivan, followed by a float decorated with bright red poppies topped by Amy Gutmann in a bikini waving enthusiastically to the throng. Then the Penn marching band playing Louie, Louie. Just then Siano rolled up with a camera glued to his eye. Dude! I exclaimed. Did you see that? Better yet, did you get that all on video? Man, this sure beats 15 minutes of the deer in the cemetery! See what? he replied. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org/mqrtoc.html _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000437 AOL.com.
RE: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore
If I were UCD, Glenn, I'd sue you for slander. Or can you prove any of what you just claimed? (rhetorical question. we already know the answer) - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:19 PM To: tim dunn; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore Tim, It is almost certainly UCD taking down your notices. They are opposed to the right to free speech and they do not care about the views or lives of people living in this neighborhood.
RE: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore
I need proof that they are opposed to the right to free speech and they do not care about the views or lives of people living in this neighborhood. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:35 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore Come on, this was one of the first moves of UCD. Cleaning up the neighborhood and quality of life law enforcement was the spin. Let's see UCD sue me for describing their cleaning. It's about taking down the Penn Octupus posters, anti-war posters, and NO-NID notices. You need proof about something going on daily for several years right in front of everyone's eyes? Glenn - Original Message - From: Mike V. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore If I were UCD, Glenn, I'd sue you for slander. Or can you prove any of what you just claimed? (rhetorical question. we already know the answer) - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:19 PM To: tim dunn; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore Tim, It is almost certainly UCD taking down your notices. They are opposed to the right to free speech and they do not care about the views or lives of people living in this neighborhood. _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
RE: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people
What a jackass. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:43 PM To: Bill Sanderson; 'Mike V.'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people You apologized for my feelings. You apologized for my correct belief that you were indeed bearing false testament against me. When you apologize to someone, it is very important to be sincere. Don't be pathetic in addition to what you attempted to do. Did you want me to accept your apology for my incorrect feelings or incorrect reaction? - Original Message - From: Bill mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sanderson To: 'Glenn' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Mike V.' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people What can I say? I made a mistake, and I'm owning up to it. It was an honest mistake-I didn't intentionally misinterpret what I saw, but I didn't do enough investigation to understand it correctly. I'm sorry that you're unable to accept that. It does sound as though we have some common ground, though-can we agree that anonymous letters like that inhibit communication, rather than facilitating it? _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:25 PM To: Bill Sanderson; 'Mike V.'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people just neighbors trying to make life better for all of us and I'm sorry that you felt that I was personally attacking you this time. I have no personal animosity towards you. I do not accept this apoloigy. But yes, I too have a strong belief about the identity of the person behind this. Mr Moyer _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
RE: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore
You stated it as fact, not opinion. X is Y is a statement of fact. What a maroon. Also: You don't really have much to offer about much of anything, so I'm growing tired of trying to be reasonable with you. I giggled like a schoolgirl when I read that. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:37 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore Don't you know the difference between a stated opinion and statement of fact. The support of my opinion is the fact that UCD has been tearing down posters for years. Whether you agree with my opinion or not, no court will bring a judgement against me when I could provide witness after witness that will say; yes UCD tears down posters all the time. V if you want any discussion with me, you need to stop trying to just insult me. You don't really have much to offer about much of anything, so I'm growing tired of trying to be reasonable with you. You impress Sande with this sort of short insulting post towards strangers but it's really not so impressive. Glenn - Original Message - From: Mike V. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Glenn' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore I need proof that they are opposed to the right to free speech and they do not care about the views or lives of people living in this neighborhood. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:35 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore Come on, this was one of the first moves of UCD. Cleaning up the neighborhood and quality of life law enforcement was the spin. Let's see UCD sue me for describing their cleaning. It's about taking down the Penn Octupus posters, anti-war posters, and NO-NID notices. You need proof about something going on daily for several years right in front of everyone's eyes? Glenn - Original Message - From: Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] V. To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore If I were UCD, Glenn, I'd sue you for slander. Or can you prove any of what you just claimed? (rhetorical question. we already know the answer) - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:19 PM To: tim dunn; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] the wall on 4700 block Baltimore Tim, It is almost certainly UCD taking down your notices. They are opposed to the right to free speech and they do not care about the views or lives of people living in this neighborhood. _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
RE: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post
I'm no lawyer, but I am fairly certain that truth is an affirmative defense against slander. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:25 PM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kyle cassidy; Turner,Kathleen Subject: Re: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post OK, listserv jackasses! If you are accusing me of making this anonymous post, enough is enough. I did not make any anonymous post. I replied to committeeman7 a half hour after the original, you jerks. I have a computer housemate that sets up my computer needs. I wouldn't know how to do the trickery that I'm being accused of. I'm going to have this looked at and if I catch anyone trying to slander me, I will take any and all legal action. Now you're taking your idiocy to the level of accusing me of the types of trickery, your gangs do. The vote for andy toy comes to mind as an attempt to pretend that someone with opposing views made the anonymous post Stop this now! Enough, Glenn Moyer - Original Message - From: Bill Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post Glenn--'fess up! (hint--search headers below on glenn This header is from the First Thursday post, the following one is from Glenn's post immediately preceding that one, just chosen at random. Useful information about the First Thursday meetings has come out of the exchange, and I don't really want to beat on this horse particularly, but I think the facts should be allowed to speak for themselves. Last post for me on this one, I think. --- X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0EvDSQaC7PnWSgXEVp0kU89hXR3O6FJABZ3K456psnOX6DBn4XVqFH Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc10-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:19:32 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DDRqb011103; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l55DDRXa011102; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DCbhq011096 for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id b.bcd.b76943b (52374) for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-db07 (webmail-db07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.72]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v115.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM028-cc964665614228e; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MB_8C9758A50B17A04_1B0C_72E4_webmail-db07.sysops.aol.c om X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Received: from 71.242.179.214 by webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-AOL-IP: 205.188.105.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=6.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-URL: http://www.purple.com/list.html X-Etiquette: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05386 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 13:19:32.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[27C4EAD0:01C7A774] -- - X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2+XzgMwtEePpVL1cLYqdxRcqYtf3Rd7pBrEuvgfbOlu7F01uu+8hdV Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc6-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:37:13 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55CUOOb010765; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l55CUOm8010764; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu
RE: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post
Though honesty compels me to point out that the References field in the mystery email does not necessarily indicate that Glenn sent the email. It's not a commonly used header anymore, actually, and it just means that someone wrote that email in response to something that Glenn wrote. That is to say, a message-id from [EMAIL PROTECTED] does indicate that it comes from glennscomputer, while a reference to glennscomputer does not do so. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:25 PM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kyle cassidy; Turner,Kathleen Subject: Re: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post OK, listserv jackasses! If you are accusing me of making this anonymous post, enough is enough. I did not make any anonymous post. I replied to committeeman7 a half hour after the original, you jerks. I have a computer housemate that sets up my computer needs. I wouldn't know how to do the trickery that I'm being accused of. I'm going to have this looked at and if I catch anyone trying to slander me, I will take any and all legal action. Now you're taking your idiocy to the level of accusing me of the types of trickery, your gangs do. The vote for andy toy comes to mind as an attempt to pretend that someone with opposing views made the anonymous post Stop this now! Enough, Glenn Moyer - Original Message - From: Bill Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post Glenn--'fess up! (hint--search headers below on glenn This header is from the First Thursday post, the following one is from Glenn's post immediately preceding that one, just chosen at random. Useful information about the First Thursday meetings has come out of the exchange, and I don't really want to beat on this horse particularly, but I think the facts should be allowed to speak for themselves. Last post for me on this one, I think. --- X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0EvDSQaC7PnWSgXEVp0kU89hXR3O6FJABZ3K456psnOX6DBn4XVqFH Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc10-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:19:32 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DDRqb011103; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l55DDRXa011102; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DCbhq011096 for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id b.bcd.b76943b (52374) for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-db07 (webmail-db07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.72]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v115.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM028-cc964665614228e; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MB_8C9758A50B17A04_1B0C_72E4_webmail-db07.sysops.aol.c om X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Received: from 71.242.179.214 by webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-AOL-IP: 205.188.105.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=6.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-URL: http://www.purple.com/list.html X-Etiquette: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05386 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 13:19:32.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[27C4EAD0:01C7A774] -- - X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2+XzgMwtEePpVL1cLYqdxRcqYtf3Rd7pBrEuvgfbOlu7F01uu+8hdV Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc6-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:37:13 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55CUOOb010765
Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people
I hate to be the one to have to defend Glenn, but I can't find any evidence directly linking him to the anonymous email, or even any evidence that shows that someone tried to frame him. Bill just misinterpreted the email header info. Calm down, Glenn. The fix isn't in. It certainly is odd that committeeman7 tried to mislead the people of this listserv about what was going to be discussed at Thursday's meeting, though, isn't it? Committeeman7 is someone local -- I think I've managed to track them down to within a few blocks, but certainly to Philly -- so I wonder what motive they might have to promulgate false information like that -- assuming, of course, that Tony West was right and no such information is forthcoming. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:09 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Question for tech people Folks, I'm being accused of making an anonymous post on the list. I know that I am hated by a few who would go to extraordinary lengths to attack my character. Do any of you understand the internet information that Sanderson and Cassidy posted? Does the original post actually look like it came from my same computer? Or is someone who wanted to prove this glennsdestop stuff able to call some unidentified computer glennsdesktop for the purpose of making it look like I made the anonymous post? This is like the votefor andy toy affair. First the strange post and then accusations that it must have come from the curmudgeons. It was obvious to me that someone was trying something a little deeper than simply making that Toy anonymous post. This is some serious stuff going on folks. I absolutely did not post that committee7 post and I was sitting at my computer the whole morning. Thanks for your help! Sincerely, Glenn Moyer
RE: [UC] Defenses
I bow to your superior knowledge. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:04 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Defenses OK, I am and disagree. I think of affirmative defenses as not disputing the truth of the allegations, but saying, essentially, so what? Truth is an absolute defense to slander, rather than an affirmative defense, because it means the statement was not incorrect, and accurate statements by definition are not slanderous. May I suggest we change the term to UC defense? Paul Esq. That'll be 10 cents please. -Original Message- From: Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Glenn' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Bill Sanderson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'kyle cassidy' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Turner,Kathleen' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post I'm no lawyer, but I am fairly certain that truth is an affirmative defense against slander. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:25 PM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kyle cassidy; Turner,Kathleen Subject: Re: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post OK, listserv jackasses! If you are accusing me of making this anonymous post, enough is enough. I did not make any anonymous post. I replied to committeeman7 a half hour after the original, you jerks. I have a computer housemate that sets up my computer needs. I wouldn't know how to do the trickery that I'm being accused of. I'm going to have this looked at and if I catch anyone trying to slander me, I will take any and all legal action. Now you're taking your idiocy to the level of accusing me of the types of trickery, your gangs do. The vote for andy toy comes to mind as an attempt to pretend that someone with opposing views made the anonymous post Stop this now! Enough, Glenn Moyer - Original Message - From: Bill Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post Glenn--'fess up! (hint--search headers below on glenn This header is from the First Thursday post, the following one is from Glenn's post immediately preceding that one, just chosen at random. Useful information about the First Thursday meetings has come out of the exchange, and I don't really want to beat on this horse particularly, but I think the facts should be allowed to speak for themselves. Last post for me on this one, I think. --- X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0EvDSQaC7PnWSgXEVp0kU89hXR3O6FJABZ3K456psnOX6DBn4XVqFH Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc10-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:19:32 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DDRqb011103; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l55DDRXa011102; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DCbhq011096 for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id b.bcd.b76943b (52374) for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-db07 (webmail-db07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.72]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v115.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM028-cc964665614228e; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MB_8C9758A50B17A04_1B0C_72E4_webmail-db07.sysops.aol.c om X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Received: from 71.242.179.214 by webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: 8C9758A50B17A04
RE: [UC] Delay and old news tactic
Al, you are seriously the two* most pompous, self-important people I have ever met. What right do you have to demand that Melani, a private citizen, do anything? By what divine mandate do you hold her accountable for satisfying your curiousity? Your normal standard of self-righteous, entitled ranting is bad enough, but you've really outdone yourself here. Why won't you do it, Al? If you won't, there's a reason. Is it perhaps that all of the concerned parties know you're a crank, a whackjob and a jackass, and they refuse to talk to you? Is it because you're too shy to actually put yourself on the front lines of your own witch hunt, and instead content yourself with lurking behind the screen, in the shadows, firing off vituperative missive after missive and patting yourself on the back for your bravery? What are you hiding, Al? - Mike V. * Because no one person can be that pompous or self-important. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:37 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Delay and old news tactic In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:15:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MLamond writes: That said, have you contacted them and asked for an update? I can't think of a reason why I should do so on your behalf, if you haven't tried. Perhaps you feel embarrassed to phone them yourself, after the names you've called the people there on this list, which you know that they have access to. As I said, if she won't do it, there's a reason. And as for all that hoo-hah about approaching them politely, may I remind Melani that I approached Carolyn Blackwell politely about the issue of whether she did or did not say Melani was on the bylaws committee has had been reported she said at a CPN Meeting. In fact, I made the polite request twice and never got a response. Come to find out that Melani had told Carolyn not to answer my request. I didn't find that out by the grapvine. Melani bragged about telling Carolyn not to get back to me. More than this, Melani, you have presented yourself on this listserv (and perhaps elsewhere) as a conduit of information between UCD and the community, as having been named to the steering committee for the NID for this very purpose. And it's true that the alleged violations of federal law have to to with UCD and not the NID, but the relevance is that UCD is proposing to run the NID so the current organization's modus operandi is extremely relevant. And they should be eager to convince us that they operate in a transparent manner. So, Melani, stop talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you don't go to them with this question and bring back an answer, it looks very bad for you personally and you can be sure those of us who have serious misgivings about the NID proposal will use the stonewalling of this alleged violation as much or more than the alleged violation itself as evidence of incompetence and untrustworthiness if and when the time comes. Yours sincerely, Al Krigman _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Delay and old news tactic
I admit, I have a hard time disliking dogs. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:11 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Delay and old news tactic In a message dated 6/1/2007 2:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Al, you are seriously the two* most pompous, self-important people I have ever met You don't seem to like me very much. Well, you'd probably like my dog, Lightning. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] New Real Estate Bill
The artist is (or at least was) a West Philly resident. I wonder if he's on this list? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Turner,Kathleen Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:11 PM To: Dave Axler; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] New Real Estate Bill Do either the trolley portals or the Drexel Dragon statue fall into the buildings and improvements category? As far as the Dragon goes . . . that's a question a lot of people would ask! Kathleen -Original Message- From: Dave Axler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:08 PM To: Turner,Kathleen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] New Real Estate Bill What's odd is that the only city-owned building listed on Hallwatch is on the northeast side, not the southeast. The bill specifically references ...land with buildings and improvements thereon. Do either the trolley portals or the Drexel Dragon statue fall into the buildings and improvements category? -Original Message- From: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J. Matthew Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Axler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:18 pm Subject: RE: [UC] New Real Estate Bill Definitely (I work right across the street - southwest corner). It's the corner with the Drexel Dragon statue, and the two portals to the trolley lines. Kathleen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Matthew Wolfe Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:11 PM To: 'Dave Axler'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] New Real Estate Bill Isn't the Southeast corner of 33rd and Market where the Green Line Trolley stops is? Maybe they are selling it to SEPTA? Just thinkin' -JMW J. Matthew Wolfe The Law Office of Alice W. Ballard, PC 1616 Walnut Street, Suite 2205 Philadelphia, PA 19103 (215) 893-9990 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4256 Regent Square Philadelphia, PA 19104 (215) 387-7300 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Axler Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] New Real Estate Bill According to the legal notices in today's Inky, we have another bill before City Council involving a real-estate sale in the vicinity of 33rd Market. Bill 070506 will have its hearing on Wednesday, June 6th, 11:30 AM, before the Committee on Public Property and Public Works. It reads as follows: Authorizing the Commissioner of Public Property to execute and deliver to the Philadelphia Authority for Industrial Development, for nominal consideration, a deed conveying fee simple title to an approximately 30,000 square foot triangular shaped parcel of City-owned land with buildings and improvements thereon, located at the southeast corner of Market and 33rd Streets in the City of Philadelphia, for further conveyance. This bill was introduced yesterday. The City Council website shows that it has no sponsors, and was not introduced by any specific member of Council. A check at Hallwatch shows that the only city-owned property on the 3200 block of Market is 3230-38 Market St. It's described as Pub. Util. 1 Sty Masonry, 11,000 square feet, and had a market value of $396,000 as of March 1st, 2001. It was sold to the city in 1943 for a whopping four bucks. The zoning category is C-4. As best as I can make out from the satellite pics at Google Maps, this is the piece of land bordered by Market St, 32nd St, 33rd St, and Lancaster Avenue, on which some Drexel buildings are currently located. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Delay and old news tactic - List Diversity
I don't want you to think that I'm casting aspersions on Al's intellect, Craig. If I've given that impression, mea culpa. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:26 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Delay and old news tactic - List Diversity In a message dated 6/1/2007 2:52:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you're a crank, a whackjob and a jackass No culture can live if it attempts to be exclusive. -- Mohandas Gandhi Mike, you are an extraordinary example of this list's diversity of thought and opinion, however, I personally believe you underestimate SpecialK's character and intellect. Ciao, Craig _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
Oh, Glenn, you don't need any help making a fool out of your criticisms. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer There have been several different reports about the incident at Malcolm X Park. Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made and an official but extremely useless statement has come from UCD that suggests that the student accounts are not what is disputed. UCD and Penn could prove the students to be liars and stop the speculation too. I believe the students and the reporters until UCD proves that they are liars and all the reporters are stupid. But I believe that you just want this to be covered over and forgotten. Isn't that the reason for your posts about the word prisoner and hearsay? Isn't the current problem the reason that entities like UCD must not be permitted to operate behind a wall of secrecy, in the first place, with no need to ever provide any truthful acountability? Why do you continue to sugget that people in this community should stop discussing this matter? Cassidy is demanding a criminal conviction or I should shut-up. Why don't you focus on giving him a lecture on non-criminal violations of the 501 c3 laws? None of us have the resources to independently ascertain the truth. Can we agree that UCD is refusing to clear-up everyone's silly speculations? Wouldn't it be great if Wendell Lewis made a fool out of my criticisms of UCD? I'd certainly look like a complete idiot. Come on Wendell, we're all pulling for ya. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm not one, really. But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate hearsay but rather prove it. And you're correct that newspapers are full of it. That's why you don't usually see newspapers introduced into evidence in court! And while you're correct that the truth sometimes does align with the hearsay, you're also agreeing that it doesn't always. I'm not unable to believe anything about the incident but rather am objecting to those who are sure they know the truth based upon a newspaper article. And I know people don't believe everything they read in the paper any more than they believe everything a cop tells them. You may well be right in your reliance but it's possible you're not. -Original Message- From: Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 1:24 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On May 29, 2007, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I stated before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - you read what the reporter wrote about what someone may have told her. If there were a good investigation, one thing it would do is have people interviewed and actually asked the questions directly about what happened. The student appears to have told the reporter directly, by the way, if that's what the quotation marks around his statements mean, so it's no more hearsay than any other newspaper report and certainly not double hearsay since the student did not speak for or about anyone but himself. People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses will tell you that what people really know often doesn't align with what other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. It happens all the time. People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses will also tell me that what people know often *exactly* aligns with what other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. So what? Why are some people on this list so unable to believe that the saintly John Fenton might have made a mistake? I honestly don't believe UCD would have suspended John Fenton if nothing at all had occurred. I think they're investigating *how* it happened, not if. Frank = _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000437 AOL.com. _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
It's like reading something by a master surrealist, only without any of the genius. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Glenn, please read your posts and ask yourself: why would any civilized person feel the need to reply to me, or interact with me in any way, when I write about him/her using this language? Melani Lamond Dear Melani, I think I reply to you and probably others do, because we like you. Recently, law school experts discussed the problems with the understanding of ethical issues among law school students. Other experts have discussed the alarming illiteracy about basic understanding of concepts among the general public concerning history, democratic values, and discussions in what was once called the liberal arts. In both instances, they appeared to be concerned about ithe impact this illiteracy has upon representative democracy and the values supposedly enshrined in the American myth. Now Melani, I'd like you to understand ithat f you're a pawn in a struggle you don't understand, my affection for you as a long term neighbor will not be considered when I make you a target in whatever sartiracal style of writing I use. Please don't try the same stuff the Friends of Clark Park attempted when I gave them a much nicer warning. Cheers, your neighbor, Glenny, glenn . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On 5/29/07, Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my favorite of Glenn's questions: Windhole Lewis, yo dude, I don't know nothin', I don't see nothing, and I don't give a damn 'cause I'm the UCD man. Sadly, I think that Glenn has already abandoned his pledges to reform the way he writes on the list. Glenn, please read your posts and ask yourself: why would any civilized person feel the need to reply to me, or interact with me in any way, when I write about him/her using this language? Melani Lamond Melani Lamond, Associate Broker Urban Bye, Realtor 3529 Lancaster Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19104 cell phone 215-356-7266 office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113 office fax 215-222-1101 ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
Wait, someone called me a fascist? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: SKnight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:21 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News For the person who thinks that Mike V is a fascist, this is the humor I was referring to. He may be a fascist in your eyes, but in mine he is witty. sk - Original Message - From: Mike V. To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News Apparently when Honest Al Krigman asks How are you doing?, he expects a full report on your health, how much you're paying your doctor, a listing of potential risk factors and a stool sample. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News so what's dishonest about issuing a statement to the media saying we're conducting an investigation? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 11:19 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with this? I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have tried honesty and candor. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
That's just as well. I'm hardly the Aryan ideal, am I? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:55 PM To: Mike V. Cc: SKnight; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News On 5/26/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, someone called me a fascist? Actually they called you a Nazi, but Jeff had to yank the message due to its violation of Godwin's Law. From: SKnight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:21 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News For the person who thinks that Mike V is a fascist, this is the humor I was referring to. He may be a fascist in your eyes, but in mine he is witty. sk - Original Message - From: Mike V. To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News Apparently when Honest Al Krigman asks How are you doing?, he expects a full report on your health, how much you're paying your doctor, a listing of potential risk factors and a stool sample. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News so what's dishonest about issuing a statement to the media saying we're conducting an investigation? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 11:19 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with this? I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have tried honesty and candor. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
Well, while the Japanese were officially classified as an Aryan race by the Nazi race commission, I regret to report that it's the blood of Chinamen, not Mongols or the Nipponese, that runs through my veins. The name is just one of those wacky accidents of history. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 3:05 PM To: Mike V.; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News No, having met you for the first time last night I would have classified you as Mongoloid rather than Caucasian. Touch of the old Genghis Khan DNA there? But perhaps you were adopted by Nazis? I mean, Van Helder is a moniker that hints at sound Germanic stock, rather than a hint of the old Mongolian eyefold. Which reminds me of a particularly putrid song at THE GREEN BIRD last night, one about sucking on the Princess's eyelids. I had to go outside and throw up after that one. And revive myself with an ampule. And she's got such loverly eyelids, too -- shame to sully them. On 5/26/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just as well. I'm hardly the Aryan ideal, am I? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:55 PM To: Mike V. Cc: SKnight; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News On 5/26/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, someone called me a fascist? Actually they called you a Nazi, but Jeff had to yank the message due to its violation of Godwin's Law. From: SKnight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:21 PM To: Mike V.; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News For the person who thinks that Mike V is a fascist, this is the humor I was referring to. He may be a fascist in your eyes, but in mine he is witty. sk - Original Message - From: Mike V. To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News Apparently when Honest Al Krigman asks How are you doing?, he expects a full report on your health, how much you're paying your doctor, a listing of potential risk factors and a stool sample. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News so what's dishonest about issuing a statement to the media saying we're conducting an investigation? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 11:19 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with this? I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have tried honesty and candor. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
RE: [UC] THE GREEN BIRD on ABC News
Hakka. Like the Jews, a geographically dispersed ethnic minority. I suppose I might have some of ol' Temujin's blood in me, but it's almost certainly extremely diluted by now. Regarding the Japanese-as-Aryan question, it was right around when the Anti-Comintern pact was signed, which was, what, '38? The push began earlier, spearheaded mainly by Karl Haushofer's geopolitik policies (and his strong Japanese fetish) but it was the Ahnenerbe that officially discovered the Aryanness of the Japanese race, which was enough to have Hitler officially declare them honorary Aryans (ehrenarier). Actually, there was also a strong push to have Native Americans declared ehrenarier as well. I don't remember if that ever actually happened, though. The best job? I'd have to say the actress that played the statue / the queen. I don't have the program in front of me, so I can't recall her name. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 3:41 PM To: Mike V. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] THE GREEN BIRD on ABC News On 5/26/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, while the Japanese were officially classified as an Aryan race by the Nazi race commission, I regret to report that it's the blood of Chinamen, not Mongols or the Nipponese, that runs through my veins. The name is just one of those wacky accidents of history. Is that true about the Nipponese and the Nazi race commission? Hadn't heard about that one -- I'm curious how they justified it -- quite a stretch IMHO. Anyhow, I regret to inform you that what you suspect to be Chinamen's blood might very well be Mongol or Nipponese. Have you had yer DNA checked recently? Aside from the fact that Kublai Khan ruled China for many years, with God only knows how many lovelies in his harem from all over the world, more recently there is the sad fact that the Nips not only raped Nanking but kept hordes and bevies of Chinese and Korean gals as comfort women for the troops. Actually, the Mongols raped and pillaged far and wide and all the way up to the gates of Vienna, so even ve gut Chermans have likely got a kinky genetic strand in our blut. Jawohl! But speaking of last night's performance, who do YOU think did the best job??
RE: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents
Heh. I know the person that writes that column now. The next one will be ... From Librarians. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:27 PM To: Univcity Subject: [UC] Sex Advice from Real Estate Agents http://www.nerve.com/regulars/sexadvicefrom/realestateagents/ Somehow, it seemed _right_ for this list. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
I think I may have asked this before, Al, but how much do you make? I just want to know so that I can call you the $xxx,xxx,xxx landlord instead of referring to you by name. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:45 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does anyone know how/where/when this official statement will be made public? The UCReview did carry it in the article. It was one paragraph near the end. And Tony is correct in that UCD wasn't obligated in any specific way to release this statement, nor are they obligated to disclose what they're doing to investigate the incident, etc. But what they're obligated to do is one thing. Something entirely different is what an organization should do if it's trying to press an initiative that will take taxpayers' money under force of law, and have a quasi-governmental authority over the neighborhood and its evolution. Especially in view of the concern expressed by many in this community about lack of transparency, programs that do not reflect the vision of the vast majority of stakeholders, the secretive way in which the steering committee was selected c c c. What Wendell Lewis and the $74,000 flackette are doing is proving the point made by the opponents of the NID, that the proposed organization will not operate in the open. Al Krigman Left of Alexander the Great and Bucephalis (didn't want to bring in the guy who rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, Michael) _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
Apparently when Honest Al Krigman asks How are you doing?, he expects a full report on your health, how much you're paying your doctor, a listing of potential risk factors and a stool sample. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News so what's dishonest about issuing a statement to the media saying we're conducting an investigation? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/24/2007 11:19 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:07:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what would Laserbeam PR do if you'd been hired by UCD to deal with this? I can't speak for laserbeam PR. But LOG (Left of Grozny) PR would have tried honesty and candor. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
Come on, Al. How about a little honesty and candor here? - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:41 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:30:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I may have asked this before, Al, but how much do you make? I just want to know so that I can call you the $xxx,xxx,xxx landlord instead of referring to you by name. When my income is obtained from the taxpayers under threat of legal action for withholding the surcharges placed on them for their share, it will be a matter of public record. Then if you're one of those paying or subject to its police powers, you'll not only know it but will be within both your rights and your propriety to critize the amount if you think it's too much. Al Krigman The $xxx,xxx,xxx landlord (move aside, Dave Adelman and Michale Karp) _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
