[UC] Re: [UCNeighbors] Oedipussy Opens This Friday!
Justin Bieber has re-surfaced…. http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/02/rob-ford-alleged-clash-justin-bieber-rehab From: rosslynnben...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:16 AM To: Gay carducci-kuhn Cc: UC Neigbors, UCD LIST, UC Neigbors the show Ross Bender doesn't want you to see Hmmph. My agent advises me there might be grounds for a lawsuit here, since I long ago trademarked the phrase *Ross Bender*. Long story short, I have retained the eminent New York law firm of Dunning, Sponget and Leach to look into this, also into whether there might be grounds for libel. Of course in the USA libel and defamation of character are almost impossible to prove, but in this case my lawyers inform me there might be a possibility of change of venue, up to Winnipeg, since the owners and artistic director of Curio Theatre are in fact Canadians by birth. Also, I have some old buddies in the RCMP, in a special unit called Extraordinary Rendition Corps (Corps du Détention secrète), that specializes in extraditing Canadians who have come south of the border seeking fame and fortune and in the process have blotted their copybooks and made silly asses of themselves. If you haven't seen Justin Bieber around for awhile, there's a reason for that. The camp also has a special section for rehabilition of Canadians at home who have similarly proved an embarrassment to Her Majesty's government -- case in point, the recent mayor of Toronto. Just sayin, Ross Bender http://rossbender.org On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Gay carducci-kuhn gaycardu...@gmail.com wrote: Not to be missed. Wash away the old winter blues (and all of this rain) with a show tht will keep you laughing!! Not to be missed Curio Theatre Company Presents OEDIPUSSY Adapted by Emma Rice Written by Carl Grose and Spymonkey OPENS THIS FRIDAY! It's the show Ross Bender doesn't want you to see! Parental Discretion Advised. Show Runs From: May 2- May 24 For More Info Visit: www.curiotheatre.org Or Call: 215-525-1350 Curio Theatre Company uses Vendini for ticketing, marketing, and box office management. Curio Theatre Company - 815 S. 48th St., Philadelphia, PA, 19143, (215) 525-1350 Vendini, Inc. - 660 Market Street, San Francisco, CA, 94104, 1 (800) 901-7173 Unsubscribe View as a web page. -- Gay Carducci Managing Director Curio Theatre Company 815 S. 48th St. Phila. Pa. 19143 610-368-4450 215-525-1350 g...@curiotheatre.org It is the supreme art of the teacher to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge. Albert Einstein -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups UCNeighbors group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups UCNeighbors group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[UC] Re: [UCNeighbors] Injured possum in backyard
a few years ago, some helpful neighbors saw a possum on the areaway beside my house, and thought it looked sick, so they trapped it under a basket or box of some kind and brought it to my front steps... I called animal control, and they came out pretty quickly--this was sometime between 7 and 9 at night. They looked at the critter and said, yeah--that’s a possum all right--looks ok to us--and said they would take it and release it in cobbs creek park. I felt that was a pretty sensible response, although I’d rather the neighbors had just left the critter alone... (a few years before that, our beagle was spending a long time under a holly tree at the back of our next door neighbors yard, so I finally went out to see what she was doing in there. I found a possum stuck halfway over an iron fence--the kind about 3 feet tall with spikes that extend above the top rail... The critter had made it half way through but was too big to fit the rest of the way. Judging by the pile of droppings beneath it and the dogs behavior, it had been there for several days. I got a long 2x4, shoved it under the possums hind quarters, lifted it, and eventually angled it over the fence and down onto the other side. It did not look in the least bit grateful) Do remember that “playing possum” is named after the actual behavior of these critters... Bill From: missthin Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:43 PM To: Brian Siano Cc: UCNeighbors, univcity Hi Brian AFAIK from past experience, unless things have changed, Animal Control won't do anything. They'll tell you to trap the possum and then they'll come out. When they'd come is another question. But I'd try giving them a call, can't hurt! Good luck Wendy On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM, briansi...@gmail.com briansi...@gmail.com wrote: Got an injured possum in the back yard. Any suggestions for,animal control or rescue at this hour? Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups UCNeighbors group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups UCNeighbors group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[UC] RE: [UCNeighbors] Yet another Homestead Exemption application form
That's not the market value, that's the last sale price. Melanie Lamond could probably state this more accurately, but I believe market value is some average of what comparable properties have sold for in recent times. I live on Windsor Avenue-so a simple constellation of comparable properties would be the 4700 and 4800 blocks of Windsor-neither is in the Penn-Alexander catchment, so that factor doesn't enter in. Look at properties the same size as yours, in nearby blocks, and take some average of the highest values (more accurately: most recent sale values?) One problem with this is that values may have dipped slightly in recent years, but I'm not sure how much that is true in our neighborhood. So - if your $200k was fairly recent, that may be much closer to the market value than the 60k figure, and you can ignore the $1. The search here is better than I used the last time: http://opa.phila.gov/opa.apps/Search/SearchForm.aspx?url=search You can search by block or by intersection which makes it simple. On our block, folks who bought long ago paid comparatively low prices, but recent sales have been very high by comparison. From: suzanne anderson [mailto:suzannebanningander...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:25 PM To: bill_sander...@msn.com Cc: ucneighb...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [UCNeighbors] Yet another Homestead Exemption application form so, my neighbor's house is listed as having a market value of $1. another neighbor's house is listed as $60,000. mine is $200k+. same block. 1 is probably a family member to family member $1 exchange, the other is a modest, un-renovated, owner occupied home. ours is a total gut flip. under this it looks like we all pay a percentage of the market value? that can't be right. sba
[UC] RE: [UCNeighbors] Girl Scout Troops in the area?
Ditto - thanks for asking! From: ucneighb...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ucneighb...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Turner Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:26 AM To: UCNeighbors; UnivCity listserv Subject: [UCNeighbors] Girl Scout Troops in the area? Does anyone know of/have contact information for any Girl Scout Troops in the neighborhood? In reaction to the efforts to boycott Girl Scout cookies because of the troop that accepted a transgendered scout, many of my co-workers and friends are looking for girls selling cookies -- to buy them, not to boycott them. Thanks for any cookie leads! Kathleen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the UCNeighbors group. To post to this group, send email to u...@ucneighbors.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ucneighbors?hl=en
[UC] RE: [UCNeighbors] Outdoor Firepits
This stuff isnt easy to find, but: § 3-202. Open Fires. No person shall ignite, burn or permit the continuation of the burning of garbage, refuse, or other waste material, demolition materials, leaves, grass, weeds, trees, batteries, wire, tires, cars, vehicles or parts thereof, or any other combustible material in an open fire. Any open burning for salvage purposes is prohibited. This requirement shall not apply to outdoor home cooking. A special exception may be made by order of the Commissioner of Health where the Fire Commissioner certifies an emergency exists which endangers the public safety, and the Health Commissioner finds that no practical alternative method of disposal of hazardous or flammable materials exists. The conditions for allowing open fires shall be approved by both the Health and Fire Commissioners. Above from the Philadelphia Code. Soif you want to burn some wood outside for entertainment purposes, be sure to have marshmallows and sticks available . Weve got adjacent neighbors who burn wood outside in a sort of stove occasionally in the fall. Its been in weather when we wouldnt normally have windows open, but it definitely makes the rooms on that side of the house smell of wood smoke. Some of the model burning ordinances make provisions for exemptions for single family dwellings, or fires for ceremonial purposesbut ours seems to only exempt cooking fires. From: ucneighb...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ucneighb...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:34 PM To: u...@ucneighbors.org; univcity Subject: [UCNeighbors] Outdoor Firepits Does anyone in the neighborhood have an outdoor firepit, or some means of burning small amounts of wood outdoors? I was thinking of getting one, but given that this is a close little neighborhood, I was wondering if anyone has had problems, issues, complaints from neighbors, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the UCNeighbors group. To post to this group, send email to u...@ucneighbors.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ucneighbors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ucneighbors?hl=en
[UC] RE: [UC-Announce] Prevent Charges on Your Cell Phone From Sales Calls - Get on the DO NOT CALL list!!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp From: owner-univcity-annou...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univcity-annou...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of Patty Bulack Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:28 PM To: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu; univcity-annou...@list.purple.com; alene hsia; Jon Bulack; Brianna Subject: [UC-Announce] Prevent Charges on Your Cell Phone From Sales Calls - Get on the DO NOT CALL list!!! REMEMBER: Cell Phone Numbers Go Public this month . REMINDER . . . . . all cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing companies and you will start to receive sales calls . .. . . . YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone: 888-382-1222 It is the National DO NOT CALL list . It will only take a minute of your time . . It blocks your number for five (5) years . You must call from the cell phone number you want to have blocked . You cannot call from a different phone number . HELP OTHERS BY PASSING THIS ON . . It takes about 20 seconds .
[UC] A black eye for a neighborhood institution
At http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/21radiation.html?emc=eta1 V.A. Hospital, a Rogue Cancer Unit
[UC] RE: [UC-Announce] Demolition alert: 4224 Baltimore Ave.
Do they also own the empty lot? From: owner-univcity-annou...@list.purple.com [mailto:owner-univcity-annou...@list.purple.com] On Behalf Of mlam...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:38 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com; pf...@ccat.sas.upenn.edu; univcity-annou...@list.purple.com Subject: [UC-Announce] Demolition alert: 4224 Baltimore Ave. I am copying below a letter, which is now being circulated, sent by LI to neighboring properties of 4224 Baltimore Ave. I'm not technologically able to put the letter online where you all can look at the actual letter, but if someone would like to do that, I can scan send it to you. The Campenella name may ring a bell: he was the developer planning the proposed homeless shelter at 45th Chestnut several years ago. - Melani Lamond ___ City of Philadelphia Department of Licenses Inspections January 28, 2009 NOTICE OF PENDING DEMOLITION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT: 04224 BALTIMORE AVE Pursuant to the requirements of The Philadelphia Code, Title 4, Subcode A, Section A-303-2, you are being notified by this Informational Bulletin that the structure located at the subject address is scheduled for demolition to begin on or after July 3, 2008. (Then, that date is crossed out, and this is handwritten:) Jan. 28, 2009 In accordance with The Philadelphia Code, this notice is provided as an informational courtesy only and does not create any actionable right for any resident or owner of the subject property or any neighboring property. For information concerning the demolition, please contact: CAMPANELLA JAMES ASSOC INC 1601 S CHRIS COLUMBUS BLV PHILADELPHIA,PA 19148-1404 Klehr Harrison Harvey Ronald J. Patterson, Esquire Perry Cocco (this is handwritten in, above the name below which is crossed out): Steve Gallagher, Supervisor West District 43rd and Market Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-2969 215-685-7680 This is the building on the south side of Baltimore which sits high up on a hill, back from the street, and has the empty lot next to it which used to be a community garden. The building formerly housed a women's shelter. It's across Baltimore Ave. from the original Green Line, and across 43rd St. from Clark Park. From the UC Historical Society website: 4224-26 Baltimore Ave John Neil McGarvey, developer c.1860 E.A. Wilson, architect for renovations c.1920 Two, three-story, two-bay, brick with stone facade Second Empire, semi-detached houses. Distinguishing features include stone and iron fence around terraced yard, porch, segmentally arched windows, bracketed cornice, convex mansard roof with pedimented dormers and slate shingles, ground floor bay windows. 2 Contributing. Melani Lamond, Associate Broker Urban Bye, Realtor PA License Number AB048377L 3529 Lancaster Ave., Philadelphia, PA 19104 cell phone 215-356-7266 - office phone 215-222-4800 #113 ** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi0002)
[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] BIG ups to 311
Consider using a web form rather than the phone: When the trash in the 4800 block of Windsor wasn't collected on Wednesday, I tried calling the Streets department customer service number, but it was after hours, so nobody answered. http://potholes.phila.gov/csstreets So, I found my way to the link above, and used the form accessed in about the middle of the middle column-for missed collection. I've no idea whether it worked or not, the trash was collected early the next morning-and I suspect teething problems with the new weekly recycling scheme probably had more to do with it than my report. However, it was easy, and didn't involve spending any time sitting on hold. (And abandoned cars are not on this list, which is Streets department only. Not sure where they'd be, but it is worth looking!)
[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] the truth about signs and trees
So: If they take a marker, and write vote for Hilary (or Barack, or John) Underneath the WE BUY HOUSES - does that make it protected free speech in this district? We need to find the wording of the amendment--I recall it as being more precise than the news piece would make it out to be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ellingsworth Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:57 AM To: Lewis Mellman Cc: University City List; UCneighbors Subject: Re: [Ucneighbors] the truth about signs and trees I think there was some confusion due to the stupid amendment of 10-1200 of the charter last year. http://www.thenextmayor.com/vault/20070206pole_signs.html Thanks, John Ellingsworth 2008-03-26 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] the truth about signs and trees
Hmm - wonder how high this item is on the Mayor's agenda: --- SECTION 2. On or before March 31, 2008, the Mayor shall submit to the Council President a report evaluating the effectiveness of this ordinance and its impact on the quality of life in the neighborhoods of the City. --- -Original Message- From: John Ellingsworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:20 AM To: Bill Sanderson Cc: 'University City List'; 'UCneighbors' Subject: Re: [UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] the truth about signs and trees Here is the text to the amendment: http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/3265.pdf You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] Nailing Advertisements to Trees
You were lucky - yesterdays NY times reported an editor, in a similar altercation, got knocked down and his camera trashed. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/illegal-signs-and-a-reporters-b roken-camera/index.html?hp Bravo! I take these down when I can manage it, both in terms of time and physical dexterity--but I've yet to catch anyone putting them up. (and I mean signs on poles, not on trees.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Clarke Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:16 PM To: UCneighbors; University City List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ucneighbors] Nailing Advertisements to Trees I caught a small work crew preparing to attach a sign to a sycamore on Baltimore Av opposite the Coöp. They had a step ladder, a white pick-up truck and a bag of blue white signs for one of those We buy Houses enterprises. I went over and stopped them and almost had an altercation as they were about to drive the first nail. I told them that this was illegal and that they weren't to continue. The one fellow got in my face a bit, with a Who are you!!. I told them it was clearly illegal and that they weren't even allowed to put them on poles, let alone nail them to trees. The crew chief told me that they had the OK from the city to do this. I told him that even if he did get an OK from the city, it was still illegal. We weren't fighting with each other at this point and that was good. I did get the number from the sign which was a 917-806-4442. I walked over to Jim Roebuck's office and let the young woman know what was going on. The crew chief dropped Jim and Jannie's name as if he knew them (and by association) knew what he was doing. The secretary at Jim's office said that she would call to report this to UCD. Hope everyone keeps their eye out for this. I haven't seen any more of these signs along Baltimore. Joe (Ent) Clarke ___ ucneighbors mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] RE: [Ucneighbors] 40th st, (not yet) : Check out Just a Hotel? For Some,It's an Advent ure from the New York Times
If you think Penn is in the business of being a pimp, why not just say so? Otherwise, this is essentially an attempt to smear by association. Some real estate agents employ sleazy tactics-does that mean we should think the less of you? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [Ucneighbors] 40th st, (not yet) : Check out Just a Hotel? For Some,It's an Advent ure from the New York Times I came across a fun article that may highlight another minus (or is it plus?) of a hotel near the PENN. It blends history, fantasy, politics and real estate in a saucy package. Below is one excerpt that cued me into a mindset and goals of one Hotel manager. We are in the business of selling rooms, 'said a former manager of the Mayflower, speaking on the condition of anonymity as he searches for another job in the clubby world of fancy hotels. And the escort services are in the business of keeping our guests happy.' Best! Liz Please note: forwarded message attached ** _ Click here for free info on Graduate Degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2122/fc/REAK6aAX0psunllHYN67QuFq6lpSItw 7qRkoHqfQSfpkX2vDqqNNFN/
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
In terms of the final question, I guess I would find a bank logo on such a card perplexing, rather than sinister. When there was a mini-station at 47th (?) and Chester, did it have its own stationery, or logo, or business cards? They, presumably would have represented a true grass-roots group. Suppose they had taken on a sponsor-perhaps their landlord, or a bank-would that logo have appeared on stationery or cards? I'm straying into the theoretical, which I generally hate on this list-but corporate logos on public functions are becoming rather common these days-I saw many examples of them on a vacation to Nova Scotia this summer-from signs over concession stands to lifeguards tee-shirts. I think, in the end, I agree that this card was poorly thought out on UCD's part. Here's wording I would have thought of as more appropriate: --- Lt so and so Philadelphia Police Department UCD LOGO University City District Police Substation (contact information-email, phone, street address) According to: http://www.ucityphila.org/ucd_programs/public_safety/police_substation UCD is providing space for a substation serving 25 officers 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's a pretty significant investment, although I'd agree that there's no question that the University itself gets substantial value out of that arrangement, the surrounding neighborhoods do too. Would it be even better without the logo? Sure! I hate this trend of having commercial logos on everything. Would it be better if they chopped District out of the name of the substation? Yes, again-but they are paying the bills.I suppose it it gets too blurry we neighbors would complain that things were being concealed. Unfortunately, I deleted the text posting of the actual card the other day, so I hope what I've posted isn't just what the card actually says... It seems to me that a lot of this comes down to feelings about the difference between this particular sponsored police substation, and the similar efforts which were presumably more truly grass roots, such as the one at 47th Chester. I don't begrudge the UCD some publicity for providing that space, but they do need to be a bit more sensitive, I think. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:26 AM To: 'UnivCity listserv' Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? As you said, it is important that the lines of police authority be direct, and lead to the civil authorities, and not a private corporation. But that's the impression that business card creates. That card created the impression that a ranking Philadelphia Police Officer, a person with the power to enforce the full range of governmental police powers, was himself subordinate to a private entity that is not answerable to the public. It also created the impression that that entity was itself so powerful that it had its own police powers via the officer. With public authority, the citizens have the right to vote for those people who exercise it, to have oversight of those actions, and to have myriad controls in place to assure that actions taken are reflective of the wishes of a majority of citizens. People who have issues with the Police Department have recourse through the elected government. That is the problem with UCD: it is a private entity that has taken on governmental functions, but who is it answerable to? This past year, they wanted the power to tax, the ultimate government power. But who elected those who made the crucial decisions that governed that proposal? How were those slated to be taxed represented in ithe creation of the proposal? Which members of the public elected the UCD administration? How do we remove or replace their administration if we the public deem them to be unresponsive to our needs? They do what many think are good deeds, but what exernal controls exist to make sure that what they do are of actual benefit to the many, and what does the public do if not? RE: I really don't see the fact that the guy has a printed business card carrying a UCD logo, and identifying him (correctly) as a Philadelphia police officer-to be anything sinister or confusing. You may say what's the big deal? It was just a business card, and UCD paid for the cards. Think of it this way: would your impression be different if the names and logos of a Wachovia or a Citizens Bank appeared on that card? Karen Allen
RE: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave
Agreed. I like the blocks, myself. I also like anything that slows traffic through the park---I'd be happy to have a stop sign midway through the curve, if nothing else. However, the issues that Brian raises in this letter of drainage and water runoff are more important--I don't know what the best mechanism is to get the several authorities to cooperate and do all of what is needed at once, but it is sure worth making some fuss about. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:12 PM To: UC List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Belgian Blocks on Chester Ave Actually, even _more_ context is needed, because the Belgian Block issue is, frankly, nowhere near as important as another. The section of water runoff/sewer under Chester Avenue, between 43rd and 45th streets, is in serious need of repair. It's clogged, routinely floods, and a great deal of the damage to the street above is directly attributable to the problems underground. SEPTA has not address this important problem _at all_: they'll be repairing track on a stretch of road that's prone to floods and erosion. (Also, in their construction proposal, there doesn't seem to be any provision to prevent construction spilloff into the Bowl.) The area hasn't been repaired because of the jurisdictional conflict: the road's a state road, so SEPTA handles that, but the water runoff is handled by the Philadelphia Water Dept., I believe. And there's also coordination needed with Streets, and Rec's in this too, as there's an impact on Clark Park. (The FoCP is also concerned about the pedestrian crossings and how well it'll all integrate with the water and path issues of our Park A project.) So while SEPTA hasn't consulted properly with the city on this project, we can take this opportunity to urge cooperation between state and city agencies, and get the sewer and street and trolley tracks repaired as they should be repaired. So, if you're going to write a letter to a city representative, I would _strongly_ urge everyone all to focus on the most important issue: getting SEPTA on board towards fixing the sewer line so the street doesn't flood and collapse. We're going to need a LOT of help on this issue. You can talk about Belgian Block all you want, but this is the main issue. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
Thanks for correcting my understanding, which was incorrect. I still find the tenor of this discussion perplexing. I really don't see the fact that the guy has a printed business card carrying a UCD logo, and identifying him (correctly) as a Philadelphia police officer-to be anything sinister or confusing. I know why AL is making this fuss, but I find the level of your ire about this somewhat unexpected-- You said: It is a deliberate blurring of authority that further creates the impression that UCD is a governmental entity in and of itself, with authority over everything in this area, including the duly sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police Department. I don't read it that way-I read the card as stating that he's a Philadelphia Police Officer (if it really mattered, I would want to see a badge anyway)-and that the UCD paid for printing the card, as well as providing the office space, phone, and email addresses. So-our viewpoints differ-I do see the UCD as helpful rather than controlling or taking over. When it comes to police activities, I'd agree that it is pretty important that the lines of authority be direct, and lead to the civil authorities, and not a private corporation. Have you had experiences in that specific area-police activity-that you see as examples of the UCD overstepping a boundary? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:29 PM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? I believe that a number of members of Penn's police force are also Philadelphia police officers Those beliefs and suspicions are incorrect. Police officers cannot work for two different police departments at the same time. Penn Police and the Philadelphia Police are two separate police departments. They have overlapping jurisdictions insofar as the Penn Police patrol area falls within the Phila. Police Dept's 18th District. Sharing the same patrol area does not mean that the two departments are one and the same. The Lieutenant in question has one job title, that of being a Lieutenant of the Philadelphia Police Department. He is an Officer employed by the City of Philadelphia. He is detailed to a Philadelphia Police substation on premises donated by the University City District. This arrangement is similar to the former Police Substation at 50th and Baltimore donated by the then-operater of the Firehouse Farmer's Market [now Dock Street] and paid for by Cedar Park Neighbors, and the current Squirrel Hill Substation operated at 46th and Chester. Although private and community entities provided the money and premises in order for the substations to operate, no one dared suggest that doing so made the Police Officers detailed to those substations the employees or subordinates of those non-police entities. Being detailed to the substation donated by UCD does not make the Lieutenant an employee of the University City District, any more than being detailed to the sports complex would make him an employee of the Eagles or the Phillies. It is deceitful of UCD and demeaning to the Lieutenant to make it appear that the Lieutenant is subordinate to UCD administration, rather than being the Commander of a Philadelphia Police Substation that happens to be supplied by UCD. He is responsible to the Philadelphia Police chain of command, not to Lewis Wendell or UCD. It is a deliberate blurring of authority that further creates the impression that UCD is a governmental entity in and of itself, with authority over everything in this area, including the duly sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police Department. Karen Allen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:57:27 -0400 I believe that a number of members of Penn's police force are also Philadelphia police officers. I suspect that they are clear on the lines of authority, that card notwithstanding. Presumably the officer in question has two job titles, and chose the more impressive of the two to put on the card. I think this is a long standing arrangement, and presumably the University and the Philadelphia police department both find it to their advantage. I really don't know more than this-asking the officer in question directly would probably get more useful information. He can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED], or 215 243 0555, extension 241. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:58 PM To: 'University City List' Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? The card was not for a Lieutenant of the University of Pennsylvania Police department. It was for a Lieutenant of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department.
RE: Landlord meeting [was: Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
Thanks for a much more useful summary of the meeting than Al provided, even though you could have left some of that detail out. (as I recall, neither you nor Al are likely to be described as fat) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:33 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Landlord meeting [was: Re: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? I'd like to add more information on the landlord meeting that Al Krigman (but not Karen Allen) attended on Wednesday morning. I was there also. I think that perhaps Al's information may have provided a somewhat skewed version of the proceedings and unnecessarily fanned the anti-UCD flames on the list. At any rate, there's no reason not to have more than one report, right? Just before the meeting began, Al helped himself to his hosts' bagel cream cheese breakfast, and kindly offered me some advice when I picked up two bite-sized muffins for myself: If you eat those, sweetheart, you'll get fat. UCD sent out the invitations to area landlords and provided space for the meeting. Lindsay Johnston of Common Ground Realtors chaired it, assisted by Penn's Off Campus Living Office Director Miki Farcas, who has organized periodic meetings for landlords who use OCL's services for many, many years. Her office doesn't have a conference room, so the meetings have always had to be held elsewhere. An agenda had been distributed in advance, and speakers talked about various topics, including: rental rates and trends in UC (Miki Farcas), crime and fire safety (Lt. McCurdy and others), the Rental Suitability Act (Marcia Nelson, City of Philadelphia, LI Dept.), UCD initiatives (Carolyn Hewson). Also, UCD's new director of Operations, Clean Safe, Dexter Bryant, was introduced. Perhaps that will be of more interest to the UC list than Lt. McCurdy's contact information. If anyone is interested, I can tell you a little more about him. Let me know. We all listened to the various speakers, asking questions and making comments as we chose, sometimes telling them something THEY didn't know! At the end, Lindsay asked if we'd like to have future meetings, and the consensus was that we would; the next one will be planned for January. Minutes from the meeting were delivered via email yesterday. Here's the section on Lt. McCurdy: Lt. John McCurdy of the Philadelphia Police Department introduced himself as a 22-year veteran of the PPD and explained the UCD sub-station co-located with UCD’s administrative offices. He distributed his business card and encouraged those present to contact him directly to report problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED], 215/387-3942), emphasizing that requests for immediate/emergency assistance should go to 911. He said that problems could be reported by phone, in writing, or by email. He distributed and discussed 15 tips to help apartment residents maintain a safe environment. He clarified that the UCD sub-station covers Powelton Village and extends west to 50th Street. The requirements for fire safety can conflict with those for security. For instance, LI does not permit deadbolts that require a key to operate because they are dangerous in case of fire. LI mandates that all rooms in which people sleep have egress through the windows, precluding the use of bars. Campus Apartments is using screens that increase security but which can be opened in the event of fire. Strollers and bicycles are often kept in hallways for security reasons, but this blocks or impedes passage in emergency situations. UCD staff offered to poll landlords to identify common issues such as bike storage to determine whether there might be vendors of products such as bike pods that could help ameliorate challenging issues. The police encourage the use of cameras for security, and rental insurance for tenants. PPD is aware of the recent upsurge in theft of architectural elements such as leaded glass from buildings and plain clothes burglary teams are deployed to address this and related concerns. Brass exterior connections are also being stolen for scrap metal. The police will perform safety audits at the request of landlords or tenants. Lt. McCurdy offered repeatedly to make himself available to help with problems that are not 911 issues. I don't think that anyone attending the meeting was confused about who he worked for or reported to. We only had questions about the territory. Landlord Bill Brown asked him if he handled problems in Powelton (he said yes), and I asked how far west he covers. He replied that he covers to 50th St. and beyond, since he works out of the 18th District at 55th Pine. So, the good news is that Lt. McCurdy is another resource we all have when we need help from the police. He didn't restrict his contact information to those present; he offered it to all. If
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to?
I believe that a number of members of Penn's police force are also Philadelphia police officers. I suspect that they are clear on the lines of authority, that card notwithstanding. Presumably the officer in question has two job titles, and chose the more impressive of the two to put on the card. I think this is a long standing arrangement, and presumably the University and the Philadelphia police department both find it to their advantage. I really don't know more than this-asking the officer in question directly would probably get more useful information. He can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED], or 215 243 0555, extension 241. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KAREN ALLEN Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:58 PM To: 'University City List' Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? The card was not for a Lieutenant of the University of Pennsylvania Police department. It was for a Lieutenant of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department. The PHILADELPHIA Police Department and its employees are not employees of Penn, the Penn Police, or of UCD. It is a governmental agency of the CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, wholly supported by and answerable to the citizens of Philadelphia and its elected representatives, and NOT to UCD. Having a UCD business card with the name of a ranking member of the PHILADELPHIA Police Department mentioned in small letters symbolically, if not actually, subjects the Lieutenant to the perception that he is nothing more than a subordinate of UCD and its administrators, and that UCD has authority in Philadelphia Police matters which supercedes that of the Lieutenant's actual employer, the citizens and elected representatives of the City of Philadelphia. Karen Allen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:37 -0400 I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Who do sworn officers of the Philadelphia Police report to? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:37 -0400 I'm a little startled at all the posters here for whom this information here seems to be new. I don't think much has changed in the way Penn's police force has worked in many years. Nothing I've read here differs from what I understood about their police force when I moved into the neighborhood about 35 years ago. Somehow, I can't read the wording on that card as some new sign of decline in democracy, but then I've always had a sunny disposition. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Minutes from 9/18 Meeting with SEPTA
Would the rest of us be interested? I've a 12 year old daughter who goes to school from a stop in that stretch--so what I want to know is will the trolleys keep running via Chestnut, or will they be re-routed via Woodland, which would mean she should get on at 49th, instead of 47th? (I already get on at 49th, so I'm not too concerned!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Mellman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:39 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Minutes from 9/18 Meeting with SEPTA Someone just forwarded the minutes of this reportedly lively meeting to me. Coincidence? I think not. -Lew You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] tree down (subject change--manhole cover cracked)
While we are in this part of the neighborhood--I wonder if anybody else has noticed the manhole cover at the eastern (48th) street end of, I think, Warrington--but maybe it is the next street north. It is marked KT--which is either a foundry mark or telephone??-and is in the street at the intersection. It is cracking badly, and looks to me as though a truck or something heavy might well break it the rest of the way--and leave basically an open hole. I noticed this as I made my way home on Thursday, walking in the bike lane as I often do because I trip over the cracks in the sidewalk Anyway, I made a note to myself to try to figure out how to bring this to the attention of the streets department, but maybe someone else reading this is a) closer to the situation, and or b) knows what number to call! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ellingsworth Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:00 PM To: Cindy Miller Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] tree down I have a tree in my backyard that I would gladly allow someone to just chop down for any reason they could think of ... I'd do it myself save for the wires underneath and the small children climbing in it. Cindy Miller wrote: The house on the corner of 48th Warrington is now up for sale. (I believe someone was asking about it weeks ago--900 S. 48th) (Perhaps) in an effort to clean things up, it seems as though the owner has decided to cut down the big ole' tree in the backyard. It was quite large and probably pretty aged...but can someone just decide to chop down a still-living tree for any reason? I guess if they're the owner of the land on which it grows it's their property, and they can do anything they want with it? But by the time neighbors get wind of it, it's already too late.. .the buzz-sawing started at 9 this morning--I HATE that sound--it's so fraught with visions of progress, which sometimes actually conceals destruction and negativity. *STEAMING* -cm `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] more details...
--- Landlocked and unable to move farther west without disrupting residential neighborhoods, Penn had to acquire the land, said Craig Carnaroli, the university's executive vice president. There was no other option, he said. We've been eyeing that land since the early '80s. --- This is an interesting use of Landlocked. I read this as very positive for the residential neighborhood this list represents. And just think--the IRS regional HQ will be the 30th street postoffice building, so we can keep right on dropping our returns off at the same place! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:12 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] more details... From the article: Penn president Amy Gutmann said in an interview yesterday that the project would help unite University City with Center City and provide a gleaming Gateway to the University. Cira Centre South will also include the previously announced conversion of the 862,000-square-foot U.S. Postal Service building at 30th and Market Streets into offices for 5,000 employees of the IRS. The post office conversion and construction of a 2,400-space parking garage will be the $365 million first phase of the project, to be completed by 2010. The office and residential towers will follow, to be completed by 2012 at a cost of about $400 million. The university has agreed to lease 100,000 square feet of the office tower's 400,000 to 500,000 square feet. Gutmann said the development would be the first step of the university's master plan - called Penn Connects - to create athletic fields and open space, offices, and other amenities for its burgeoning student and faculty population. It provides a much-needed connector between our campus and Center City, and improves the urban infrastructure of the university and creates a vital new center of commerce for the whole region, she said. It's converting a surface parking lot and eyesores into a mixed-use, greener, 24/7 neighborhood that unites and enlivens both sides of the Schuylkill. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Fwd: Look at this Poster - was [Culture] Fuck UCD and Shakespeare in the Park
Opinionated posters? How many of us does that describe? What personal gain do you see involved? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:27 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Fwd: Look at this Poster - was [Culture] Fuck UCD and Shakespeare in the Park Is this fuzzy logic or another example of you can't take opinionated posters out of Purple, even when they have appropriated their employer's assets for their personal gain? And we were just told this past weekend Culture is dead. Ciao, Craig _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
RE: [UC] www.sweetbarkingcheese.com.
That can't be our Kyle-whoever it is, is located in Philadelphia, Palau. Al-you know that the address below is not the address of Kyle's new listserve. The fact that it is an address owned by someone named Kyle Cassidy is irrelevant to the question of whether or not it is the address of Kyle's new list. You have the most incredible ability to behave childishly about matters that we both take seriously. I wish you'd stop. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:33 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] www.sweetbarkingcheese.com. In a message dated 7/30/2007 12:29:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm afraid that spoof addresses have been posted more often than the actual one for Kyle's new list If you're trying to call www.sweetbarkingcheese.com a spoof address, you might ask Kyle (I can't do it directly because he, at least, was enough of a Mensch to unsubscribe this list when he started a competing forum) why he registered just that domain name with godaddy.com on 7/29/07. Enquiring minds want to know. Al Krigman _ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 .
RE: [UC] A UCD world record
Any organization I've ever been part of that has been around for some reasonable length of time has had an employee do things they should not have done. That doesn't make the organization corrupt, unless it covers the situation up and does nothing about it. That isn't what happened here. I'll let the IRS decide what is against their policies. There is some distance between an organization recognizing that something crossed over a line, and the entity who establishes that line taking action on the transgression. I doubt that the IRS will take action unless they feel that the UCD did this knowingly, and didn't take any action to prevent recurrence. And in my opinion, neither of these is true. Blackwell has gained an excellent staff member--one who will help her constituents and get her votes because of the effectiveness of her office. I'm sure she doesn't like how that happened, but I doubt that she will stay mad for long. bill, these are not opinions. they are statements lewis wendell made in his front-page interview in the 27 june 2007 issue of the university city review: http://tinyurl.com/2zcqxw in this published interview wendell stated that ucd had used ucd employees and student workers to work a political rally, and that fenton was involved in this, and additionally in other inappropriate activities, activities involving misuse of ucd resources and violations of policies, including: conflict of interest (using ucd positions for private gain or to obtain favors); using ucd vehicles for non-job related activities; performing outside work or using ucd resources for outside work while on ucd time; violating irs guidelines which prohibit 501(c)3 organizations like ucd from endorsing political candidates or participating in a political campaign. as to ucd's alienation with blackwell -- that was made clear in the pages of university city review as well. (remember, fenton now works for blackwell, and ucd is now in no position to posture or take positions, moderate or otherwise.) You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Public Record article Community Associations
I haven't read this whole thread, but when you cite a circulated petition as supporting some particular view, you should quote the petition itself. I don't know how many petitions there are circulating in the neighborhood at the moment, but I signed one, before that meeting-and the one I signed basically supported John Fenton-as a person and in the work that he does. It didn't in any way diss his employer, or complain about process. I had some misgivings about signing it because the person circulating it claimed that he had already been fired, which I believed then and still believe, is not a fact. However, I was quite willing to state my support for him and for the work that he does. There wasn't any wording that I recall the said anything broader about process or management, or, indeed, UCD at all. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Public Record article Community Associations I don't think the article gave a fair depiction of what really happened at the First Thursday Meeting. No offense to Tony, just my opinion. It was a combination of multiple statements from community residents at the meeting, 300 signatures on a petition delivered to Jannie Blackwell which she presented at the meeting (not mentioned in the article), along with Councilwoman Blackwell's statements which represented the full indictment of UCD and their polices. If you go back and review some of the first accounts from the news articles, there was a report of the UCD's community service privileges being suspended (we later learn it was by CCD, enter Paul Levy), which triggered the internal investigation by UCD. (not accurately reported in the Record) There was no mention of motions from the floor by residents or any community process being pursued by a committee in the Record article. I believe the Record article didn't properly frame the issue. The issue with UCD is the on-going management and polices of UCD, it just came to a with the John Fenton issue. Folks were upset with UCD and their handling of the Baltimore Avenue corridor. The fact there was a petition of signatures and multiple voices at the First Thursday meeting joined with Councilwoman Blackwell to question the transparency of the UCD government is a more accurate way of framing the debate. So Al, there is a strong community resident component to the complaint and process. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:25 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Public Record article Community Associations Something interesting I found in the Public Record article about Special Services Districts. Here are a few quotes showing the element to which I refer (emphasis added): divided neighbors and left community groups in the middle. These services are highly valued by dozens of community groups that regularly tap them to address local needs regularly attended by activists from three dozen West Philadelphia groups and agencies In the middle are most community organizations ... and yet ... They derive their leadership and their sense of mission primarily from local business communities The point that emerges from these quotes, which are central to the article and -- I believe -- to the issue involves the primacy of community groups as opposed to the actual stakeholders in the community. In this article, the stakeholders being businesses of some kind mainly because most of the special services districts in Philadelphia (although not elsewhere in the state or the country) are focused on business issues. And UCD's proposal tried to use this approach, too. By extension, this would apply to residents and other stakeholders in general in a more broad-based NID. This presupposes an intimate connection between the people in an area and the local community group. A connection that I don't believe exists. For a lot of reasons... including the exclusionary attitudes that many community groups exhibit, and a misinterpretation among many activists who cast themselves as community leaders about what the essence of an urban/urbane lifestyle is. Al Krigman Slightly to the right of Jane Jacobs _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Reality check
Glenn - I've got to join Liz Campion and ask if you can simplify your posts. If you look at what's below, I think that stuff that you are saying is followed by a signature Paul-this is confusing-it is hard to see who is saying what. Please don't take this as a critique of what you are saying-I'm not passing any judgment on that-just the way the message is formatted makes it very hard to see which statements are yours, and which are Paul Uyehara's-and this does a disservice to both of you and your readers. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] Reality check Dude, If you think my post was a pot shot at you, I'd say you are being a tad self centered. My suggestion was based on the reporting of what happened at the meeting. We know Marty works for Jannie, that Jannie showed up at the meeting apparently intent on raising a fuss about John F and criticizing UCD. The anonymous poster wanted to encourage people interested in the issue to show up. So the question I saw was, who knew in advance that the issue was going to come up, although the agenda was focused elsewhere, and who had an interest in bringing out additional community members who are hyped up on the whole issue? I don't see an alignment between Tony and anti-UCD forces. How would he have the info and how does he gain by getting people to come? What was his motive? How would he gain? Jannie and Marty, OTOH, would benefit, wouldn't they? Does that mean that Marty posted anonymously? Certainly not. Just provides a motive and context. And I don't think you're in a good position to criticize others for trying to interpret events and sharing your interpretations with others. Not at all. Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting. The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please inform your neighbors. Dude, it's crazy to suggest that this was posted by any Blackwell ally. Obviously, this was posted by someone wishing to discredit Blackwell: UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Blackwell's claim When did this become Blackwell's claim that UCD is investigating? The trickster tells us we will get an update of the UCD investigation into Blackwell not an unannounced Blackwell complaint! A lot of people expected the illegal UCD activity to come up. I never went to the meeting before, and that's why I went. Committeeman 7 had obviously been someone whom had attended these meetings like a civic association leader. That person would have known that the Councilwoman is a regular at that meeting. THIS IS AN APPEAL TO PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO PUT BLACKWELL ON THE HOT SEAT Blackwell revealed an account forcefully without reservation. It is the pro-UCD gang that is engaging in all sorts of tricks, secrets, deliberate lies and attempts to discredit Blackwell. Dude, read this from your committeeman friend's post: UPDATE ON THE UCD'S INVESTIGATION INTO COUNCILWOMAN Get real dude. You just took a pot shot at Mr. Cabry with your insinuation because of your pro UCD leaning. Paul -Original Message- From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 8:17 am Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [UC] Reality check I thought I saw Marty's name on the board list for UCD when I checked earlier this month. I understand he was very present at the first Thursday with Jannie. Seems like he should have been the usual suspect for the committeeman7 message. Right? Paul Hey buddy, You can take pot shots at what I say on the list. But now, you are engaging in this insinuation against people without any support. It was always nutty to accuse a Blackwell associate of that post. Now, you make this type of suggestion. Shame on you. You need to ask the one who brought the report of the fraud, and launched the immediate investigations into voteforandytoy and committeeman 7; how the investigation proceeds. I believe that was Mr. West, if I am not mistaken. Nnelg -Original Message- From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]; University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check - Original
RE: [UC] Reality check
I think this seems complex because so many folks insist on making it that way for their own purposes. John Fenton is an employee. He is part of an internal investigation by his employer into something that happened in the course of his work for them. If they've asked him to keep this confidential, I'm sure that this is optional on his part, but that the likely consequence of breaking that confidence would be an end to the employee relationship. I would expect any lawyer advising him would probably tell him to keep quiet until the investigation is resolved, and perhaps thereafter, depending on the outcome. I don't think there is anything Machiavellian or unexpected here (isn't spell-check marvelous!) How many people here--including Al Krigman--would expect an employer to publicly discuss an issue with an employee that might have serious consequences for both? Sure--the employee has been asked not to comment publicly. Sure, the consequences should he do so are likely to be the obvious. How is this different from any other employer any of us have worked for? I've only had three or so employers thus far, and each has been a non-profit. And I don't see anything unexpected here--all but one of my employers would probably have done the same--the exception being one outfit that operated as a collective where we would have sat in meetings as a whole for a month or so before convincing ourselves about what the right course of action might be---but we wouldn't have done it sitting out in the street in public. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:03 PM To: Anthony West; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check Importance: High I'll defer to Karen as to the law since the only law I know is the Law of Gravity. However, I DO know that REALLY BIG MONEY can make their own laws (so to speak), and hire enough attorneys to enforce their vision. Therefore, if John Fenton was told not to speak about the circumstances under which he is no longer at the UCD, I would think that a gag order would be correct, whether or not a judge ordered it remains to be seen. Still, if John Fenton violated this agreement, I feel there would CERTAINLY be swift and sure consequences. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job
Tony - one point of clarity: You mention the meeting agreeing on three points. Was there any response from either Glenn Bryan or Lewis Wendell to the idea of the forum organized by Sharrief Ali? I would expect the first two points to require further internal process, but I wonder if they were able to agree to participate in the forum? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:02 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job Two days after her office had said Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell had no plans to update the community about the Fenton-Knox affair in Malcolm X Park at the First Thursday meeting, she showed up promptly and did just that. She went much farther, angrily baring a serious rift between Univesrsity City District and her. She delivered petitions with 300 signatures in support of Fenton. The room at Walnut St. West Library, filled as usual with 70 people, most of them representatives from more than three dozen agencies and organizations that are active in West Philadelphia, noisily concurred and made forceful pleas to retain the popular UCD employee in his job. There was universal agreement Fenton has been a tireless supporter of the labors of all civic groups to improve their community. Blackwell charged Fenton was being offered resignation with a severance package from UCD. She said she had asked to find ways to help underwrite his work but had been rebuffed. She said she had suggested mediators for the dispute but had been rebuffed. UCD Executive Director Lewis Wendell attended the meeting. He read a previously published statement. Fenton, he reiterated, is still on paid administrative leave pending the results of an internal investigation. In addition, he said, We are in discussions to resolve the matter. Blackwell repeated her denial that she had involved Fenton or his community service team with a political rally for Tom Knox in the park. Everybody knows I supported Tom Knox for Mayor, she said. A couple of weeks before the election, the other candidates began releasing their supporters to support Michael Nutter. They didn't want Knox to win because he was an outsider. Nutter had no constituency of his own. But the community service team was not involved in the Knox rally, she said. Instead, it was engaged in park cleanup and facilitation of another event, a fair that was going on in the park. In this case, the Councilwoman said, her eyes flashing, John Fenton and UCD did what they do. I work with Penn and UCD. But somebody decided to lie on him. I'm very disappointed. Blackwell expressed her view that UCD has been slighting her in other ways for some time. Although First Thursday is not a parliamentary body, Penn's Community Relations Director Glenn Bryan ceded the floor to the Councilwoman. Community members raised three motions, all of which passed with scarcely a dissenting voice. The meeting endorsed John Fenton and asked he be retained in his position. It asked that UCD policies in general be made public. It supported a community meeting to discuss concerns with UCD, that meeting to be organized by a committee from among the attendees at the meeting, which Sharrieff Ali volunteered to coordinate. -- Tony West
RE: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job
Thanks - I know about the petition, I signed it. This sounds like a good effort. I certainly hope that stakeholders in the UCD, both institutional and individual will attend and that there can be some productive feedback. I'm a little worried that the legal folks are going to keep a lot from being said, from the institutional side-but maybe Penn has somebody who will have the guts to attend, and at least pass questions up the chain. _ From: S. Sharrieff Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:57 PM To: 'Bill Sanderson'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job Bill: The motion carried and was without opposition to have a community meeting organized by concerned community residents. I made the motion and volunteered to make sure the meeting happened. 20 people signed to participate in a committee to organize the meeting. Glenn Bryan's Penn meeting was hijacked by a broader community issue today, all other agenda items took a back seat, particularly to the indictments of Councilwoman Blackwell. The idea was not to rely on the UCD or Penn to organize a meeting. It was clear everyone in the room who was aware of the issue with John stood outraged by his treatment, the lack of information prepared by UCD to release to the public, and the revelation of John's forced resignation as we were told today. It was clear to me UCD has been advised by legal to say nothing besides the very short statement released. Channel 6 WPVI News attended, filmed part of the meeting and took statements from a few attendees. Councilwoman Blackwell stated she viewed the situation with John as a particular affront on her reputation for political reasons. The UC-Review has volunteered to moderate the community meeting with a suggested location of Rosenberger Hall. It would be wise for representatives of the Board of UCD to participate as well as the trustees committees of the institutions represented. It is not about Sharrieff Ali putting a meeting together as an excuse not to attend. Unanimously the community is behind the effort to get answers, the meeting is a part of the process. As Tony mentioned, there was a petition of 300 signatures in support of John which had already been forwarded to Councilwoman Blackwell's office. I will post information as I get it. If anyone on the listserv would like to join the committee, e-mail me off-list. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sanderson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:20 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job Tony - one point of clarity: You mention the meeting agreeing on three points. Was there any response from either Glenn Bryan or Lewis Wendell to the idea of the forum organized by Sharrief Ali? I would expect the first two points to require further internal process, but I wonder if they were able to agree to participate in the forum? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:02 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job Two days after her office had said Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell had no plans to update the community about the Fenton-Knox affair in Malcolm X Park at the First Thursday meeting, she showed up promptly and did just that. She went much farther, angrily baring a serious rift between Univesrsity City District and her. She delivered petitions with 300 signatures in support of Fenton. The room at Walnut St. West Library, filled as usual with 70 people, most of them representatives from more than three dozen agencies and organizations that are active in West Philadelphia, noisily concurred and made forceful pleas to retain the popular UCD employee in his job. There was universal agreement Fenton has been a tireless supporter of the labors of all civic groups to improve their community. Blackwell charged Fenton was being offered resignation with a severance package from UCD. She said she had asked to find ways to help underwrite his work but had been rebuffed. She said she had suggested mediators for the dispute but had been rebuffed. UCD Executive Director Lewis Wendell attended the meeting. He read a previously published statement. Fenton, he reiterated, is still on paid administrative leave pending the results of an internal investigation. In addition, he said, We are in discussions to resolve the matter. Blackwell repeated her denial that she had involved Fenton or his community service team with a political rally for Tom Knox in the park. Everybody knows I supported Tom Knox for Mayor, she said. A couple of weeks before the election, the other candidates began releasing their supporters to support Michael Nutter. They didn't want Knox to win because he
RE: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people
I apologize, Glenn. I did misunderstand the meaning of that header, and I agree that I was wrong. Frankly, the writing style of committeman7 reminds me of a different contributor to this list, so I was surprised at what I (thought that I) found in the headers. Glenn-there's no conspiracy here, and no gangs-just neighbors trying to make life better for all of us. Name calling, personal attacks, and anonymous letters impede communication, rather than facilitating it. I'm happy to see that you've done less of the name calling when called out on it, and I'm sorry that you felt that I was personally attacking you this time. I have no personal animosity towards you. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike V. Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:10 PM To: 'Glenn'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people I hate to be the one to have to defend Glenn, but I can't find any evidence directly linking him to the anonymous email, or even any evidence that shows that someone tried to frame him. Bill just misinterpreted the email header info. Calm down, Glenn. The fix isn't in. It certainly is odd that committeeman7 tried to mislead the people of this listserv about what was going to be discussed at Thursday's meeting, though, isn't it? Committeeman7 is someone local -- I think I've managed to track them down to within a few blocks, but certainly to Philly -- so I wonder what motive they might have to promulgate false information like that -- assuming, of course, that Tony West was right and no such information is forthcoming. - Mike V.
RE: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people
What can I say? I made a mistake, and I'm owning up to it. It was an honest mistake-I didn't intentionally misinterpret what I saw, but I didn't do enough investigation to understand it correctly. I'm sorry that you're unable to accept that. It does sound as though we have some common ground, though-can we agree that anonymous letters like that inhibit communication, rather than facilitating it? _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:25 PM To: Bill Sanderson; 'Mike V.'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people just neighbors trying to make life better for all of us and I'm sorry that you felt that I was personally attacking you this time. I have no personal animosity towards you. I do not accept this apoloigy. But yes, I too have a strong belief about the identity of the person behind this. Mr Moyer
RE: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people
I can only apologize for my own actions, and the responses in others that those actions may have engendered. I feel bad about it, and I want you to know that. _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:43 PM To: Bill Sanderson; 'Mike V.'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people You apologized for my feelings. You apologized for my correct belief that you were indeed bearing false testament against me. When you apologize to someone, it is very important to be sincere. Don't be pathetic in addition to what you attempted to do. Did you want me to accept your apology for my incorrect feelings or incorrect reaction? - Original Message - From: Bill mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sanderson To: 'Glenn' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Mike V.' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people What can I say? I made a mistake, and I'm owning up to it. It was an honest mistake-I didn't intentionally misinterpret what I saw, but I didn't do enough investigation to understand it correctly. I'm sorry that you're unable to accept that. It does sound as though we have some common ground, though-can we agree that anonymous letters like that inhibit communication, rather than facilitating it? _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:25 PM To: Bill Sanderson; 'Mike V.'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people just neighbors trying to make life better for all of us and I'm sorry that you felt that I was personally attacking you this time. I have no personal animosity towards you. I do not accept this apoloigy. But yes, I too have a strong belief about the identity of the person behind this. Mr Moyer _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
RE: [UC] Community Court
Glenn-In addition to criminal law, there is civil law, and contractual agreements. University disciplinary agreements are, as far as I know, matters of contractual agreement between the institution and the student. I am certain that a student involved in such a process has alternatives-like leaving. Why not check with the quoted students, or someone actually knowledgeable about the process, before suggesting a constitutional crisis? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:41 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Community Court Neighbors, I had the opportunity to speak briefly with the coordinator of Community Court and the police liaison to the agencies with which they work. Please contact me off list if you want the address for the President Judge for Municipal Court and the Coordinator of Community Court. They are aware of the news reports about the UCD. I was able to deliver, in this face to face way, a description of this unaccountable organization. Nevertheless, they are expecting a formal complaint from me and I urge others to consider similar complaints. Can you believe he said to me, they're doing an investigation and suspended someone? I contained my laughter and thought those UCD people will even bullshit officers of Municipal court! The Coordinator confirmed that the Penn students in the reports had nothing to do with the Community Court probationers with whom they worked beside. It appears we do indeed have a separate system operating within Penn's Office of Public Safety. He used the words internal process This is in section 1 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. If this internal process is being handled by the Office of Public Safety, do non-students arrested by the fully empowered Penn Police have the right to request this instead of community court? We are all under the jurisdiction of the Penn Police whether folks generally are aware of that. I wonder if some people go to community court and receive a police record while others get unequal privileges through the internal process? The Penn sites I've found describe the Penn police having a relationship with Community Court and nothing about this separate system. Folks, I think we need some serious disclosure from Maureen Rush about this program! Sincerely, Glenn
RE: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation
Most people in political positions seem to want their name out there at all times, in my observation. I'll concede that perhaps the purported committeeman might not want Councilwoman Blackwell to be aware of who posted this message-perhaps all the more reason to have simply stuck with the facts, and described the agenda in a neutral fashion. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth F Campion Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:47 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation Could the post be from a local Committeeman maybe of District 7? Personally, I prefer a full signature and disclosure of potential conflicts of interest, but if this was written by a Committeeman, he may think he provided sufficient ID and maybe he just forgot to sign. This is one of the least loaded of the recent posts. Better grammar could have made the Councilwoman's position more clear, but than you'd probably call it even more loaded. While I rarely have time to attend meetings, I am always happy to be invited to community meetings and to have a sense of what might be included on the Agenda. And I am grateful to the writer and thank him for the notice. And so, I see your chide and raise it. :-) Meanwhile, thanks for your other recent posts, helpful regarding backup funny regarding Lew Mellman's dog. Best! Liz On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:20:36 -0400 Bill Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This anonymous post is typical of the tactics of a few on this list. It pretends to be a simple objective announcement, while using loaded/slanted descriptions of the events mentioned. You (the poster) should be ashamed of yourself-grow up, stop playing these games. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:13 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting. The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please inform your neighbors. _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000437 AOL.com. Elizabeth Campion Cell Phone: 215-880-2930 215-546-0550 Main, -546-9871 fax, Desk + VM: 215-790-5653 PRUDENTIAL, FOX ROACH REALTORS, LLC Please read Consumer Notice enjoy HOME PILOT tools at www.PruFoxRoach.com
[UC] Headers from the original First Thursday post
(retry) Glenn--'fess up! (hint--search headers below on glenn This header is from the First Thursday post, the following one is from Glenn's post immediately preceding that one, just chosen at random. Useful information about the First Thursday meetings has come out of the exchange, and I don't really want to beat on this horse particularly, but I think the facts should be allowed to speak for themselves. Last post for me on this one, I think. --- X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt0EvDSQaC7PnWSgXEVp0kU89hXR3O6FJABZ3K456psnOX6DBn4XVqFH Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc10-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:19:32 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DDRqb011103; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l55DDRXa011102; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55DCbhq011096 for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id b.bcd.b76943b (52374) for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-db07 (webmail-db07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.72]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v115.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM028-cc964665614228e; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MB_8C9758A50B17A04_1B0C_72E4_webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Received: from 71.242.179.214 by webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-AOL-IP: 205.188.105.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=6.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-URL: http://www.purple.com/list.html X-Etiquette: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05386 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 13:19:32.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[27C4EAD0:01C7A774] --- X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2+XzgMwtEePpVL1cLYqdxRcqYtf3Rd7pBrEuvgfbOlu7F01uu+8hdV Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu ([153.104.63.227]) by bay0-mc6-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:37:13 -0700 Received: from ftp.ece.villanova.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55CUOOb010765; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l55CUOm8010764; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by ftp.ece.villanova.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55CTZKX010758 for UnivCity@list.purple.com; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [72.244.65.194] (helo=glennsdesktop) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HvYAJ-cD-Dp; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:29:35 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] civic associations on UCD board? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:28:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0D85_01C7A74B.826FA890 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: dfea89efbd9b1897d1c072fd49543470239a348a220c2609b20d0b52e9a179b9b358d9e1c23f 7340350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.244.65.194 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=6.0 tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-URL: http://www.purple.com/list.html X-Etiquette: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05386 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007
RE: [UC] Urgent -- How to say Thank You in a Classy Fashion
I believe Ross was addressing Lewis Mellman's dog. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:42 PM To: Ross Bender; Brian Siano Cc: UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Urgent -- How to say Thank You in a Classy Fashion Don't look at ME when you say that! On 6/4/07 7:14 PM, Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/4/07, Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Bender wrote: I need to say Thanks for the mad props in a classy fashion on another list, but can't think of a better way to say thanks. Any help? -- Merci bien? Hmm. Well, I suppose it's a trifle classier than Thanks, bitch.
RE: [UC] Delay and old news tactic
You're right, I guess. They had an incident which involved personnel policies--did an employee do the right (or the wrong) thing. No organization I've ever run into is going to handle such a thing in public--would you expect there to be broad neighborhood publicity if this were you, and your employer? Presumably, at some point, John Fenton's employment status will change--he'll go back to work, or otherwise. Whether anyone will announce that to the world, I don't know, but I don't expect to see it emblazoned on any headlines. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:09 AM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Delay and old news tactic Bill Sanderson wrote: I think Melani expressed her reasoning-those who want to know should ask UCD directly themselves. some of us seem not to appreciate that ucd is, even at this moment, communicating something very loud and clear. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeamR] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Delay and old news tactic
Sorry-I guess I missed the detail about the IRS amongst the rhetoric. I have plenty of patience. I don't view John Fenton as guilty of anything. John Desmond has offered a scenario, but I think really getting into the details is purposeless, since none of us is familiar enough to have them be useful, anyway. My own take on this is: Jannie Blackwell's office called and asked for help setting up a fair in the park. John Fenton went, and took his community service folks with him. Since this is election time, the fair had some unexpected angles to it, and all concerned will do it differently next time around. I really don't see anything that smells here. No conspiracy, just human and organizational relationships that need fine tuning at times. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:48 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Fwd: [UC] Delay and old news tactic In a message dated 6/1/2007 8:46:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Waiting to hear what you find out. I hope you have a lot of patience. Have you heard back from the IRS yet? I haven't filed a complaint yet. I'm giving UCD another week to inform us of either the progress or the conclusions of their internal investigation -- with an indication of how the investigation was conducted. Were such a thing forthcoming, there may be no purpose served in filing a complaint. Of course, I indicated the above before -- but you're apparently as quick to assume I was not being honest in saying so. Prejudging me the same way a lot of people on this list prejudged John Fenton (guilty but a nice guy so let it slide). Neither says much for the people who say either. Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Delay and old news tactic
I think Melani expressed her reasoning-those who want to know should ask UCD directly themselves. Waiting to hear what you find out. Have you heard back from the IRS yet?
RE: [UC] Re: Our house was burglarized; do not be like us
This is the case, and it is not simple, given the large amounts of data you might want to back up these days. The technical details are complex, but you'd either need to grab the server itself (which in my case is a rather small box with a handle and only two cords to yank out, or an external disk drive connected to it. Neither idea is perfect or really simple to manage. In the absence of off-site storage, a fireproof file is an alternative, but I'm not sure what the specs are for how hot those can get inside during a fire, nor what the tolerances are of todays storage media. I have a feeling that, say, writeable DVD's might well be unusable. The other eventual mechanism is some form of off-site storage via the Internet. These are definitely coming, but the outbound speed for most of us is slow enough that we'd need to do pretty careful planning about what to send. I'd also forgotten about Verizon blocking port 80, so the URL below needs a :8080 appended to it, or alternatively, made HTTPS instead of HTTP to connect. _ From: Turner,Kathleen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:56 AM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Re: Our house was burglarized; do not be like us Bill, this looks like an interesting solution to the backup issue, but for really secure backup (for important files such as dissertation research) isn't the crucial point to store your backup files offsite? The dear sisters at De Sales School found this out the hard way with the fire that destroyed the school offices about 6 years ago. They had very carefully backed up all the files that contained the school registration information -- then stored the disks in a box on the same desk. I have a wonderful colleague who used to back up our catalogue server once a week, then take the disks home and store them under his bed! If there had been a fire or flood in the building, we would have been all set. Kathleen _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sanderson Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:56 PM To: 'Stephen Fisher'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Re: Our house was burglarized; do not be like us http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/defaul t.mspx This is pretty peripheral to the issues in this post, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. This is a very elegant solution to the backup issue in a household. It does full machine backups nightly of networked household machines, and you can restore the data either file by file or rebuild the whole machine from the ground up using an included restore CD. This product is not available yet, but will probably be in public beta very soon. The price is expected to be in the sub $500 range as I understand it-this is just a small box-no keyboard, no screen, that sits in an out of the way spot and does backup and remote access for you. See the remote access part at http://mccoysanderson.livenode.com http://mccoysanderson.livenode.com/ (send email if you want credentials to connect) (sorry if this comes across as an ad-I'm just a technical enthusiast-I'll quit and go back to griping about the manners of the regular posters!) (and it doesn't solve the offsite need-although you can manage that by adding an external drive to the box) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Fisher Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Our house was burglarized; do not be like us Sean and Charlene, I'm really, really sorry about your loss! That really sucks. I also appreciate that you shared your story and your lessons learned with the lists. 8) Finally, back up all data on your computers, often. I would like to add one point to #8. Keep a copy of the data backup outside of your house. If you can, copy your valuable data to a CD or DVD and leave a copy at work or elsewhere. Best of luck with recovering what you can, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .
RE: [UC] It's hard out there for a bin
They had to work slowly to avoid getting ahead of the citation givers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Mellman Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:41 PM Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] It's hard out there for a bin The recycling on 4500 Kingsessing finally got picked up tonight at 6:30! -Lew You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
I wouldn't exempt myself, of course! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:53 PM To: SKnight; Bill Sanderson; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Now, JUST a minute! I happen to represent that remark! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. -Wilma
RE: [UC] Re: Our house was burglarized; do not be like us
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/defaul t.mspx This is pretty peripheral to the issues in this post, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. This is a very elegant solution to the backup issue in a household. It does full machine backups nightly of networked household machines, and you can restore the data either file by file or rebuild the whole machine from the ground up using an included restore CD. This product is not available yet, but will probably be in public beta very soon. The price is expected to be in the sub $500 range as I understand it-this is just a small box-no keyboard, no screen, that sits in an out of the way spot and does backup and remote access for you. See the remote access part at http://mccoysanderson.livenode.com http://mccoysanderson.livenode.com/ (send email if you want credentials to connect) (sorry if this comes across as an ad-I'm just a technical enthusiast-I'll quit and go back to griping about the manners of the regular posters!) (and it doesn't solve the offsite need-although you can manage that by adding an external drive to the box) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Fisher Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: Our house was burglarized; do not be like us Sean and Charlene, I'm really, really sorry about your loss! That really sucks. I also appreciate that you shared your story and your lessons learned with the lists. 8) Finally, back up all data on your computers, often. I would like to add one point to #8. Keep a copy of the data backup outside of your house. If you can, copy your valuable data to a CD or DVD and leave a copy at work or elsewhere. Best of luck with recovering what you can, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .
RE: [UC] confusion about Penn ordered community service
I'll freely admit to (likely) being wrong about my original assumption of the nature of the Penn student's service. The easiest way to resolve this would be to ask him what he did and what happened from there. I'm sure he's listed in some directory, and maybe he'd be interested in correcting our assumptions. For my part, I'll continue to await whatever internal processes are mulling this over, and hope that they reach a fair conclusion. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:20 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] confusion about Penn ordered community service I went back to look at all of the media reports covering the UCD scandal to try to understand this school ordered mandatory community service that was reported. Ray posted this link to the University of Pennsylvania Almanac. Check out the portion about Penn police. http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/v48/n34/Com-Relations.html We know little about the community service program except for the UCD, CCD and Penn web site info. We know that individuals wear orange jumpsuits when they are on our streets that have, Property of Philadelphia Community Court printed on them. There is simply no information that suggests that the Office of Public Safety conducts a separate system to adjudicate non-criminal complaints for things like the cow in the library being asserted on the listserv. In fact, it clearly states that the Penn police participate in the Municipal Court community service program. Internal ethical review programs or adjudicating bodies handling non-criminal matters would not be expected under the authority of the Office of Public Safety. I was very confused about the reports of a school ordered mandatory service under this municipal court program. And I was confused at the report that the Office of Public Safety was apologizing to the Penn students for something that was done through Municipal Court and UCD. If Penn police refer arrests to Community Court, why would they be apologizing? Of course I'm questioning and speculating about what exists behind a wall of secrecy but I'm troubled about these confusing reports and web sites. Are some arrests made by the Penn police being referred directly to Municipal court while arrests of Penn students are being diverted to another internal system? We don't know what is going on here. There is nothing to suggest that this Municipal court community service program has been opened up to punishments given through a non-criminal disciplinary system. It's actually absurd to conclude that University students caught cheating on an exam are assigned to a work detail with prostitutes, petty thieves, and under age drinking probationers at 51st and Pine. Why would Municipal Court be involved with non-criminal internal discipline of Penn students? Isn't it likely that offenders are being charged with quality of life crimes in the same categories as others referred to this program like theft, graffiti, minor drug possession etc? I'm glad the students' privacy has been respected, but these reports make no sense. I would like the Office of Public Safety to explain the contradiction. If the Penn police are referring some arrests directly to community court and other arrests to their own internal community court we may have another Constitutional problem with 14th amendment rights concerning the equal protection of the laws. Are Penn students getting a special privilege when accused of minor crimes that non-Penn students do not receive when arrested by the University police? That would be one possible answer to the contradictions in the known information and the news reports. I'd certainly like to know more about school ordered mandatory community service and how it connects with this Municipal court probation. How can we in the community know what goes on with a wall of secrecy and cover-up? In this case speculation is all we have so let the insults by the cheerleaders begin. Here is an example that might explain the contradiction: West Philly kid is charged with breaking into 3 apartments after being arrested by Penn police. He gets a record and community service. Penn student breaks into 3 rooms in his dormitory. He pleads guilty to the Office of Public Safety. He gets no record of a crime but is sent to UCD community service with no questions asked. Now that might explain these two systems and the confusion? If Penn and UCD would stop stonewalling at every opportunity, then speculation could easily be countered and the listserv could get back to criticizing me. However, I think these contradictions raise more serious questions. Glenn
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
I stand corrected. Thanks--this was not what I'd thought it was--given that the folks in question were students, and doing the public service for a Penn-associated agency. I don't think that it changes my feelings about the incident that is the base of this long drawn out set of exchanges, though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:27 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Bill Sanderson wrote: I disagree. The term as Glenn used it implies the involvement of a governmental body-the court system. This wasn't the case here. The initial press report used imprecise language, which led to confusion on this issue. We now know that there was no such court system involvement, so implying otherwise is misleading. Yeah, so the student was being coerced by an authority to which he or his parents or somebody had spent a good many thousands of bucks to have him tutored, into doing community service, probably because of that cow in the library, or on the roof of the engineering building or wherever. At least it wasn't a rooster in Clark Park! this program is described on ucd's website, on center city district's website and on penn's website [see below]. the court involved is the philadelphia community court, a special court created jointly by the philadelphia municipal court and center city district. it's located at 1401 arch street. this court, not penn, hears the cases and hands out sentences to offenders (students and non-students). these sentences are for offenses that occur in university city district and the 3rd, 6th, 9th, 17th, and 23rd police districts in center city. http://www.ucityphila.org/ucd_programs/public_safety/community_court http://www.centercityphila.org/programs/community_court.aspx http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/v48/n34/Com-Relations.html .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeamR] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_63.php You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
Glenn, you are taking a page from Al Krigman here, and it does not become you. Affecting respect for your peers by using titles, but misnaming those you apparently hold in low regard is childish, and both of you know better. I don't recall hearing in these accounts that the students involved in community service were asked to do things they were conscientiously or otherwise opposed to doing. I didn't read: and they made me nail Tom Knox posters to the trees in the park. What happened wasn't black and white, and the kind of caricatures that listserv denizens create do nothing to clarify the issues-you make a raft of assumptions, all of them at the most negative end of the spectrum. I make some similar ones, largely in the other direction. Neither one of us has enough factual information to make a useful conclusion about what really went on.
RE: [UC] Cindy Sheehan gives up - Underestimated Changes (Paul U Advisory)
I'm startled that you would juxtapose an example of military humor with Cindy Sheehan. Whatever you think of her cause, she is a parent who has lost a child. I hope that you would find more sympathy among your neighbors should you suffer similarly.
RE: [UC] Putting the finishing touches on my new LISTbot -- make it a community effort
To do this properly, you'd need to carefully analyze the text actually composed by each original contributor to get the proportions right. A fair number of those phrases are invented by and/or used by only one or two contributors to our dialog here. If a 'bot starts using them, we'll know to give those posts equal regard. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:41 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Putting the finishing touches on my new LISTbot -- make it a community effort You'll all be happy to know that I'm now putting the finishing touches on my new UCLISTbot. Here's how it works. Below is a set of phrases. The UCLISTbot (what shall we name him/her -- maybe Jamie or Connie... something androgynous?) selects a number from three to eight at random according to a weighted probability distribution. Then it picks this number of phrases from the set and generates a message by shuffling the order and synthesizing connecting text and grammar. I'm trying to optimize it by using an algorithm that tries to minimize the total word count -- although I could change this criteria if it seemed desirable to add personalities of people who tend to run on a bit.
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
Umm, I'm not sure where to start. Maybe at the end. If you see a disciplinary arrangement between an Ivy league University, to which the students (or whoever) are paying megabucks for the privilege of attending-as prison labor-you aren't seeing the same thing I am seeing-which, in general, I suspect is true. _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:20 AM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Bill, what policies? That is the point, none of us can know if Mr. Fenton broke policies because these are secrets. Nothing about this illegal action or the cover-up and stonewalling surprises me. I'm basing my opinions on the long history of UCD. This is only the latest example of wrongdoing and stonewalling. We have so many accumulated scandals as UCD has demanded the right to secrecy. Now, the eyes of the whole city and soon the courts will force answers because they were caught. UCD can stonewall all of us at their presentations and they have been for years. Now, in a shameful cover-up after these media reports, UCD wants to focus attention on a rogue employee and a single mistake while showing that they have no intention of breaking down the wall of secrecy. The use of prisoners has been going on for several years. You say that UCD needn't come clean publicly and release the policy and protocol to the community. But isn't that really because UCD serves the University of Pennsylvania and not the people of this community? There is really no investigation; there is only damage control for Penn. We, the community as a whole, have the right to look at 5 years of this program and know what directions were given to Mr. Fenton in advance. This has nothing to do with an investigation of fact, but simply a transparent statement of the policy and protocol as it existed the day before the Knox rally. UCD and some others want you to think this is about a single mistake and not question the entire program; not question UCD powers as a quasi-government operating behind a wall of secrecy. The pretense that this is about investigating Fenton's mistake is a red herring. Fenton is being used as the fall guy because of his popularity and the popularity of the street cleaning he oversees. But what mistake? UCD has no policy. Like mob foot soldiers, UCD executives don't know nothin' until Penn Real Estate provides the spin. I know that we are supposed to believe that UCD is good and perfect. UCD must remain secretive at all times because some people will tell falsehoods about them. Of course, that's crazy. Have you asked yourself, how we are supposed to interpret the UCD investigation? We're not allowed to see the written protocol even though UCD has been accused of an illegal act, maybe an illegal protocol. If UCD were accountable to this community, we would immediately be given the protocol so that we could then look at UCD performance over the past 5 years of the program. This is not about a single mistake, but in light of an accusation of illegal conduct; it is about the entire 5 years. UCD should not have embarked on this 5 years ago without public disclosure. And I'm not talking about bringing it up at a martini party with a couple civic association leaders but a true public disclosure of their plan to use prisoners in our community. Bill, UCD has taken governmental authority in numerous ways. Unlike a real government, UCD has always asserted that it is so perfect that the people need never look into their processes or policies. UCD secretly picks the people who will speak for the community. It unilaterally decides on quality of life laws and then how to enforce its laws. It is even asserting the right to be tax collector without any accountability to the community that will be taxed. UCD is an organization that creates spin for the university. It decides on plans that effect all of us behind closed sealed doors. All we know about this illegal abuse of prisoner labor is that the board and Wendell don't know nothin? Yet we must give them 100% trust because they are so perfect and always get an A plus on their report cards?? I hope you better understand my position, Glenn - Original Message - From: Bill mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sanderson To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer I really don't see anything to be alarmed at here. You are reading a great deal into this second-hand account. I'm quite sure Lewis Wendell is not aware of many day-to-day details of UCD operations. I doubt that he is unaware of either policies or organizational relationships with partners like Penn, or Jannie Blackwell. Basing logical arguments on press reports is very difficult-unless the reporter has asked the specific question you want answered, and repeats that question in the story, the result is open to wide interpretation. If the IRS takes
RE: [UC] The UCD answer
I disagree. The term as Glenn used it implies the involvement of a governmental body-the court system. This wasn't the case here. The initial press report used imprecise language, which led to confusion on this issue. We now know that there was no such court system involvement, so implying otherwise is misleading. Yeah, so the student was being coerced by an authority to which he or his parents or somebody had spent a good many thousands of bucks to have him tutored, into doing community service, probably because of that cow in the library, or on the roof of the engineering building or wherever. At least it wasn't a rooster in Clark Park! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:09 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer In a message dated 5/27/2007 10:12:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you provide a usage of this that's not invented by you? I checked out dictionary.com and found these: 1. a person who is confined in prison or kept in custody, esp. as the result of legal process. 2. prisoner of war. 3. a person or thing that is deprived of liberty or kept in restraint. Kyle: You know as well as the next person that Glenn was using the term loosely. We all understand what he meant. An argument based on a denotation of a term whose connotation everyone understands with essentially zero ambiguity is an example of the class of logical fallacies usually called Red Herrings or, sometimes Smoke Screens. Here's a citation: A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to win an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of reasoning has the following form: Topic A is under discussion. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A). Topic A is abandoned. This sort of reasoning is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. In this instance, the red herring is Glenn's use of the term prisoner to denote the people forced by some authority to do some form of indentured servitude. OK, it wasn't quite the right term. But everyone knew what he meant. For general interest, there's a nice compendium of logical fallacies online at: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ Among other things, it has several variations on the theme of argumentum ad hominem -- about which this list has many ad hominem arguments. Al Krigman (And, yes, I'm looking forward to upgrading my summer wardrobe at the Second Mile Center's 50% discount sale tomorrow. What can even the people who are envious of my mature good looks and scintillating personality possibly find wrong with that?) _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Clearing the air a little
Thanks--I hope the discussion here will get more attention for the park and those who care for it! Melanie Lamond did ask for your name, but having posted your email address, that's probably enough for her to look it up, and you needn't post it in public here anyway. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:31 PM To: Univcity Subject: [UC] Clearing the air a little There have been a couple of concerns raised on the list about two websites that I administer--malcolmxpark.org and malcolmxpark.info-- so I thought it would probably behoove me to dispel any misconceptions. I have lived on 51st St. facing Malcolm X Park since 2003, and I've been a member of the Friends of Malcolm X Park since late 2005. In that time, I've gotten more involved in the neighborhood and more interested in the activities going on in the park. During the winter, I proposed starting a website at one of the Friends meetings, but since I am the only member with regular computer access, the inclination and the ability to put such a thing together, the group left it up to me entirely. Initially I registered malcolmxpark.org and planned to use it as an official site for the Friends group, and in fact, in its earliest iteration, the static pages currently on the .info site were on the .org site. Subsequently, over the last month, I've found that I wanted to write about a much broader range of topics, some of which would be of little or no interest to the Friends group. I had already grown somewhat uncomfortable with the way the .org site mixed my own editorializing with official Friends content, and I had resolved to distinguish the two by establishing the .info site as the official site. When the UCD/Fenton/Rally story broke, that took on a new urgency, especially when malcolmxpark.org was described by ABCnews as the park's own site. I hastily, and partially, re-assembled the official site at .info and put the disclaimer on the .org site that it was a personal site. Since the .org site is my own creation and includes some editorial content, it is unfair to hang my judgments on the Friends group as a whole, but it is entirely my fault that readers got a mistaken impression of the site. I inadvertantly represented MY views as those of the group. Thus, the only conspiracy is one hatched on my own behalf to save myself the embarrassment of purporting to represent the entire Friends organization. And now, all ham-fisted, I've gone and messed that up too. Regarding the controversial events, here's what I wrote in a post on the .org site: As to the original post in question, I wrote it and posted the video just one day after the event transpired and before any subsequent questions were raised. I described the event as a political rally because, as an observer in the park that day, it appeared to me to be a political rally. But that was my judgment as an observer and mine alone. Beyond this opinion based on my attendance at the event, I have no inside information from the Friends group, and I have no connection to the councilwoman or UCD. I certainly wish that I could resolve, one way or the other, the question of whether there was wrongdoing on the part of anyone involved with this event, but without more information, I simply cannot. Anyway, on the positive side, malcolmxpark.org has been getting a lot more attention and seems to have developed a regular readership. If you know of a story that you'd like to see get more attention, let me know. This weekend, I've got a brief story and a video interview with members of the Eastwick Bike Patrol. Talk about an organization that needs more exposure! I hope you'll check it out. http://malcolmxpark.org/?p=101 Andrew You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] ...and another thing
I can see that you've got the technical details right, but what conspiracy is it that this proves? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:49 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] ...and another thing Both malcolmxpark.org and malcolmxpark.info are registered at and hosted by the same web host. Also the Friends text on both sites are identical. Frank You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] An example of the potential for abuse
You are holding the guy who gave 50,000 to Milton Street to get a contract up as the good guy in this story? I'm not convinced. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:23 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] An example of the potential for abuse V-Tech and Nguyen played a pivotal role in the federal indictment late last year of Milton Street. Prosecutors contend that Street, as a $30,000-a-month consultant for Philadelphia Airport Services, took a $50,000 payment from Nguyen to help V-Tech win a maintenance contract at Philadelphia International Airport and give a portion of the profits back to Street. The contract was never awarded, and the $50,000 was not returned, according to a lawsuit filed by Nguyen, who said Street also failed to pay back a $30,000 loan.
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
I didn't think Tony needed others to chime in, even though he requested it, but I guess he does. I'm very happy to see any agency go the extra mile, or step, or whatever, to do something that is within their general mandate, but perhaps isn't strictly allowed by the bureaucratic rules. So much of the time the reverse is true--that the organizations don't even do what they are supposed to do--that I'm not going to slap somebody for going above and beyond. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
I believe that the 501c3 status comes from the Feds, not the state. It is federal taxes that contributions to such organizations can be exempted from, not state taxes. I suspect the possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a Federal (anything) to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack imagination. Not saying that there wasn't a situation that could be construed as a violation, but I suspect that the folks who would look at this have bigger fish to fry. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN'; 'University City List' Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors. UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going institutional support. UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania based on it's 501-C3 status. If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment, then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to the public interest based on that assessment and still would be accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest. S
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
Right-there is a state registration process, although I'm not sure what the rules are for charitable fundraising-but that is what the state regulates. The Feds regulate the issues relating to the organizations activities and whether they fit the definition of 501c3 tax exempt organizations. _ From: S. Sharrieff Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:47 PM To: 'Bill Sanderson'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News Q: Do all states require a registration? A: Most states have some type of registration or filing process. It is necessary for organizations contemplating fundraising activities in other states to research the individual state reporting requirements to ensure compliance prior to soliciting. Q: What is the difference between a charitable organization and 501c3 status? A: A charitable organization is defined as any entity that solicits or collects contributions from the public, where the contribution is, or is said to be used to support a charitable activity. Charitable activity includes, but is not limited to, educational, recreational, social, patriotic, legal defense, benevolent, or health causes. 501c3 is a Federal tax exempt status granted by the Internal Revenue Service. Certain requirements established through the Internal Revenue Code must be met in order to receive tax exempt status. For specific information regarding the application process, please refer to the IRS Web site at www.IRS.gov or call the Exempt Organizations Division at (877) 829-5500. Will my nonprofit be given a 501c3 number separate from its EIN? No. Your EIN is the only number federally associated with your organization. If you apply for and receive sales tax-exemption in your state, you may have a number issued by that state agency that is different from your EIN. So yes, correction, mostly Federal IRS and some State guidelines. Bill I agree, it is not likely this stuff would hit anybodies radar. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sanderson Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:21 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News I believe that the 501c3 status comes from the Feds, not the state. It is federal taxes that contributions to such organizations can be exempted from, not state taxes. I suspect the possibility of this incident arousing enough interest in a Federal (anything) to prompt some action is near zero, but maybe I lack imagination. Not saying that there wasn't a situation that could be construed as a violation, but I suspect that the folks who would look at this have bigger fish to fry. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN'; 'University City List' Subject: RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News UCD management is accountable to it's Board of Directors. UCD management by mission is accountable in part to those it services through geographic boundaries, it's relationships of support (which would include ALL the local politicians), and individuals who donate money to supplement the on-going institutional support. UCD management is accountable in part to the State of Pennsylvania based on it's 501-C3 status. If sustained funding were to happen through a local assessment, then, in that case the UCD management would be accountable to the public interest based on that assessment and still would be accountable to a Board of Directors representative of that interest. S
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
I hate to say this, but it seems to me that you need to file whatever it is you are going to file now I'll be interested to see what comes of it-nothing good, I believe. I don't expect any organization to release details of internal investigations. You've read as much as the press is likely to publish about what actually happened. You are a federal taxpayer, I assume, so perhaps you have standing. What precisely do you expect to hear that you make you stand down and not file? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:47 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News In a message dated 5/24/2007 4:27:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think Sharrif already answered that very well. UCD's accountable to the people who are paying for it to exist. It's a private entity. In order for it to be beholden to the people who live in the area bounded by the UCD it would have to be funded by the public. Until that time, they can do whatever they feel like as long as their funders are happy and don't stop sending checks. With respect to political activity, that's incorrect. As a 501-(c)-3 operation, UCD is tax exempt and therefore is getting support from the taxpayers as a group. The IRS has strict rules prohibiting partisan politics, the violation of which can not only take away the tax exemption but make them liable for back taxes and penalties. We're talking about a serious issue here, and big bucks. Thiose rules are there for a reason, and have been in place long enough to have been honed by experience -- including judicial decisions. The non-profit and not-for-profit sector is neither the public nor the private sector, but something in between. The managers of organizations in the non-profit sector have an obligation to ensure that they strictly follow the tight constraints under which they operate without paying taxes, and therefore get indirect support from those who do. Wendell Lewis may try to shove this off onto John Fenton and make a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb of the guy. But Wendell is ultimately responsible for operating the organization in such a way that this serious infraction (serious as defined by the IRS) could happen -- if indeed it did happen as the reports appear increasingly strongly to indicate. And, of course, the reason I'm being such a nit-picker about it has to do with the fact that it exposes the potential for abuse the NONID faction has been pointing out since long before the NID initiative got onto the table. Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
Ditto I hope that the current suspension with pay is the end of it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Heenan Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:06 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News Enough already. After everything he's done, who wouldn't give John Fenton the benefit of the doubt? That's my .02 (and then ducking for cover like a deer in Woodland Cemetery). You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News
This wording makes clear what I suspected: the community service was not court-mandated, but part of some internal student related process at Penn. This takes a lot of the issues out-the only remaining one would be participation by a 501c3 in partisan political work-and that can be debated-as Janney is doing! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:00 PM To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Cc: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Tom Fenton on ABC News UC Review's version is much, much funnier: Reporting to the University City District, where Penn sends students to atone for minor misdeeds, Walker and his fellow cleaning crewmates began sweeping Powelton Avenue.
RE: [UC] John Fenton Got Suspended!
My daughter and I watched Mr Singletary's campaign parade cross the Grey's ferry bridge at 45 mph just before the election, with him standing in the back of a pickup truck facing forward, holding on to the brake lights atop the cab. Neither of us was impressed by his regard for personal safety. When we hit a red light by the Fedex Depot, a motor cyclist came around on the left from behind and ran the red light(s) just to thumb his nose at the campaign, I suppose... And I fully expect him to be elected in the fall. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Deer in Woodland Cemetery
And of the deer I can see, how do I tell which ones are the exploding breed? Seriously. There ARE too many deer in the city. There may be too many deer in the cemetery--I don't know that answer. However, Kathleen is right--the game commission are the ones that really do know what is going on. FWIW, and I know this won't be much consolation, they employ folks, some or all volunteers, who are chosen for their marksmanship--it happens that my neurologist at Penn is one of them--for this kind of work. (Oh dear, I think I just added the dreaded P word to this conversation!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Matthew Wolfe Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:32 AM To: 'Frank'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Deer in Woodland Cemetary Did KYW have any idea what is making the deer explode? How far away from the deer should you be to avoid serious injury if one does explode? Enquiring minds want to know. -Matt Wolfe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Subject: Re: [UC] Deer in Woodland Cemetary I heard a report on KYW about the exploding deer population. That could also be a hazard. Frank On May 21, 2007, at 08:05 AM, Philip Forrest wrote: Very unafraid, used to joggers, bikers, walkers, and cars. This is a problem, when it comes to deer. Deer are large, WILD animals. Yes, it's sad to see them be killed, but they are a potential hazard to the aforementioned joggers, bikers, walkers and cars. For the most part, they are harmless, but they can injure people and property. If there is to be some large, concerted effort to humanely remove the deer from the cemetery and relocate them, please don't dip into my tax dollars to do so. Operations like that can reach into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Call me a scrooge, but there are plenty of deer for everyone to have some in PA, they just aren't in the cities and really shouldn't be. PhilFo On Monday 21 May 2007 07:37, J. Matthew Wolfe wrote: You stated in your email: Can anyone offer some help with the situation described below? Please contact Opa Hamilton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best, R. Mimi Iijima I cannot help myself, as I am not a hunter, but I do have several friends who are and would be happy to supplement the game wardens to rid our neighborhood of this plague of deer. I will let them know to contact the Game Commission. Thanks for alerting me to this problem. -- There are deer in the cemetery on Woodland by VA Hosp., maybe you have been and seen them. I go often to see them. They stand on hind legs and nibble lower leaves of the trees, it is beautiful. They are there to see at dusk and early in the mornings. There are several fawns now. They all come and go via paths along the river. They have other hangouts too. Very unafraid, used to joggers, bikers, walkers, and cars. Two policeman were there also watching them tonight and told me that the deer will be killed by game wardens on May 23rd (this is May 20th!!!) They were concerned and wondered why no one is trying to stop them. I don't think anyone knows. I was hot online tonight and emailed a lot of animal activist groups, hopefully at least, someone that knows the ropes can check it out tomorrow I don't think the police would be pulling my leg about something like that. They seemed really concerned and appreciative of having deer here in the city. If you know any avenues, or interested people... Anything I hear I can forward. Two of the groups responded and emailed their people... cc'd it to me. It would make me sick to know they were dead. I know there are too many deer in PA. But NOT TOO MANY IN THE CITYThey could thin the herd? Leave the fawns? Sorry for bad news. opa _ PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati o n_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the
RE: [UC] John Fenton/UCD in election shock!
See-nothing ivory tower ethical here at all-just standard Philadelphia politics as usual.. Thanks for posting that-I read it this morning in the Daily News, and had almost forgotten about it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:01 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] John Fenton/UCD in election shock! From the DN: VOTE DAY: ROBBERY, FAKERY, ETC. http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20070516_Clout___VOTE_DAY__ROBBERY__FA KERY__ETC_.html Community service, Philly-style Luke Walker is a grad student at Penn recently directed to perform 20 hours of community service for a minor infraction. He dutifully appeared at the University City District on Friday. After orientation, he was handed a broom to sweep Powelton Avenue. After an hour and a half, things got interesting. The supervisor, John something, told us, 'We've got something else for you,' Walker recalled. They put us on a truck and drove north to a garage. It wasn't even in University City. At the garage, the community-service volunteers were directed to load a truck with barbecue grills, coolers and a couple of Moon Bounce inflatable kiddie amusements. The next day, they drove us out to Malcom X Park [51st and Osage] and had us unload, inflate the Moon Bounces and set everything up, Walker said. Included in the setup were Knox for Mayor posters, which made Walker think this was unusual community service indeed. Several hundred people attended the Knox rally. When it was over, we put it back on the truck and went on our merry way, Walker said. It was bizarre, he said. All of a sudden I found myself working for the Tom Knox campaign and wondering, 'How did I get here?' The director of UCD's cleanup effort is John Fenton, who Walker heard was close to City Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell. Blackwell supported Knox. Fenton was off yesterday and did not answer an e-mail. Blackwell did not return our phone call.
RE: [UC] Plumbing stolen
Interesting -- I know that prices for all metal as scrap are higher than they have been--demand is up. This is the first I've heard, besides the missing sewer covers, of this manifesting itself in theft. Keep an eye on your downspouts, etc, folks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles H. Buchholtz Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:27 AM To: University City listserv Subject: [UC] Plumbing stolen This has not been a fun morning... Woke up, and my toilet wouldn't flush. No water in the bathroom. Went down to the basement to check for a leak. Water all over the basement floor. Not coming from a pipe... Coming in through the wall at ground level (not a break in my line to the water main, that's below ground). Figure that someone used my hose bib and didn't turn it off. Go outside to check it out. No water under the hose bib, but there's some water under the porch. Look under the porch Someone had stolen the copper pipe running from my basement to the hose bib (and the hose bibalong with it). The pipe was cut about 3 feet from the house wall, and water was pouring out. I reported it to the police. I guess I'll report ti to UCD, also. I guess installing a porch lattice is now a higher priority, maybe steel reinforced. --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Plumbing stolen
I've got a cast iron radiator sitting on my porch now. I won't miss it much,, but I'd rather choose the disposition myself. Any neighbor interested in a claw-foot tub in reasonably good condition, or the radiator, send me email? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:59 AM To: Bill Sanderson Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Plumbing stolen This is the first I've heardof this manifesting itself in theft. My neighbor is doing a gut-level renovation of his house. He's been robbed twice in the past few months, with the copper pipes being the apparent target. If his new alarm system fails, then I'll send him to Diller Happy voting, D. On 5/14/07, Bill Sanderson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting -- I know that prices for all metal as scrap are higher than they have been--demand is up. This is the first I've heard, besides the missing sewer covers, of this manifesting itself in theft. Keep an eye on your downspouts, etc, folks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles H. Buchholtz Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:27 AM To: University City listserv Subject: [UC] Plumbing stolen This has not been a fun morning... Woke up, and my toilet wouldn't flush. No water in the bathroom. Went down to the basement to check for a leak. Water all over the basement floor. Not coming from a pipe... Coming in through the wall at ground level (not a break in my line to the water main, that's below ground). Figure that someone used my hose bib and didn't turn it off. Go outside to check it out. No water under the hose bib, but there's some water under the porch. Look under the porch Someone had stolen the copper pipe running from my basement to the hose bib (and the hose bibalong with it). The pipe was cut about 3 feet from the house wall, and water was pouring out. I reported it to the police. I guess I'll report ti to UCD, also. I guess installing a porch lattice is now a higher priority, maybe steel reinforced. --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- -- University City Yoga http://www.ucyoga.com
RE: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say
I certainly took your original message to be a direct accusation of some particular newspaper. This message seems to confirm that--reform would require clear evidence of an abuse. However, you've carefully not named names. I guess there's some legal risk of doing that in a public forum like this one, so I guess I'll be forever mystified about which 'paper you believe is corrupt. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:22 AM To: 'Turner,Kathleen'; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say It's responses like yours which really make no sense to me. Controlled by the government? Borat says: Whaattt? Reform is in order and will happen at some point. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Turner,Kathleen Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:47 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say Sure, that would be easy. All newspapers and other media outlets would be controlled 100% by the government. Somehow, I doubt that Mr. Ali would be very happy with that. Kathleen _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 5/11/2007 9:17 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say Whoa, I thought the prior responses dealt with all of your questions. Look at it this way, assuming your argument is not totally for meaningless exchange, how do you propose to implement your proposed policy, i.e. to ban newspapers from endorsing candidates, supporting or opposing legislation, criticizing court decisions, or advocating for public policy? If you are able to articulate a system to accomplish this that you can live with, let us know, and then there is something real to talk about. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 8:00 PM Subject: RE: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say Thanks Wilma: I hope everyone understands I don't mean payments literally, like a fee-sheet. One hand washing the other. Editorial boards should present commentary, but not endorse. to approve openly endorse an idea; especially : to express support or approval of publicly and definitely endorse a mayoral candidate b : to recommend (as a product or service) usually for financial compensation shoes endorsed by a pro basketball player I see no one is answering the questions. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:48 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali; 'Joshua Karstendick' Cc: UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say It has ALWAYS been thus, ever since there have been newspapers. No help for it. The Editorial pages were created for just those issues that concern the general public; also editorial cartoonist of which I feel Tony Auth is one of the greatest. Advertisers do not USUALLY dictate newspaper editorial policy as they do when they pay for advertising time on TV and Product Placement in pictures. If they do there is usually a disclaimer in fine print at the end of the advert. I would know because Alex is in that business. However, I could be wrong, but THAT was what the newspaper business thrived upon. The Philadelphia Inquirer is one of the oldest Public Newspapers in the U.S. All sorts of companies take out advertisements for all sorts of reasons including political reasons; however endorsements of the Editorial Board are not usually bought, but are opinions of same. On 5/11/07 4:38 PM, S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let mew say it again. Newspapers should not endorse candidates. 1.Why should they? 2.Why is it important for a newspaper to use its might against a candidate to sway voter opinion and turn-out? 3.Are payments made.Pay-to-Say? 4.Why is reporting all sides of an issue not enough? 5.How does a newspaper benefit from an endorsement? 6.If a newspaper is going to endorse a candidate, how does a candidate posture themselves in anticipation? There where many people who thought it was a better idea to have local papers not endorse. In my opinion, there is no separation between editorial and news. The perception is they are the same. When a paper endorses a candidate, the paper uses its collective might and does not make the distinction known. S -Original Message- From: Joshua Karstendick [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:44 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Newspaper Endorsements ... Pay-To Say The editorial page is separate from news reporting. Newspapers can and do both endorse candidates and provide high quality, unbiased news.
RE: [UC] My Nutter Lawn Sign Was Taken
Once again the perspicacity of some of our list members amazes me. That you are able to connect an incident which happened before the Iraq war (that happened to me too), vandalism of your house, and Karen Allen's recent loss is quite remarkable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:30 PM To: KAREN ALLEN; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] My Nutter Lawn Sign Was Taken Yes. Not a Nutter sign, but I had several anti-war signs at my house across from Clark Park vandalized before the Iraq war. You were lucky. My house was vandalized as well. Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] important question about free speech rally
Aside from bruises to your ego, can you say what real harm resulted from the events as you portray them (preferably in 25 words or less?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:53 PM To: Brian Siano Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] important question about free speech rally I'm very sorry to the listserv that Brian Siano, Secretary for the Friends of Clark Park, has subjected you to misinformation and outright lies. Boycott the party for the plutocrats, celebrate the tyranny. What we have here is an excellent opportunity to look at the listserv role as a public record. For those of you concerned about keeping Clark Park a public park, refer to two threads from Sept. 24th 2004 until Sept 29, (Clark Park festival threatened and Clark Park festival in Park A). This discussion concerns both the FOCP and the Spruce Hill Civic Association. You will be able to see why the civic association leaders like Siano rely so heavily on a combination of lies and personal character assassinations to cover their abuses. Most of Siano's, Moyer is crazy and bizarre post is not worth a response but the following part was addressed on this list at the time it happened. I realize the importance of leaving a public record of the abusive role of our civic associations during the transition to corporate plutocracy. If the republic survives, I hope these stories may someday help others learn to fight the destruction of other communities. Siano writes in 2007: For example, about four years ago, it was agreed that several representatives would be present when Rec sent out its stage for the Festival, to ensure that it was placed properly. Two days before the festival-- prompted by a very bad decision from Rec-- Glenn demanded no one _but_ Glenn be present for the stage-placement. The rest of us refused to change the plans, and said that we'd be out there as planned. That morning came... and the only person who reneged on the agreement was Glenn, who was conspicuously _absent_ from the stage-delivery site _for a festival he was running_. Ever since, Glenn's tried to say that this was an attempt by Tony and myself to take over the Festival, heroically beaten back by Himself. A brief synopsis to guide you. In 2004, the new Spruce Hill Civic Association representative, Ed Halligan, made a serious crusade and demanded that now that he has moved into the neighborhood the only event in the A park will be his Spruce Hill May Fair. With 48 hours remaining before a scheduled music and arts festival planned for nearly 9 months, it appeared that the permitted festival was going to be canceled without prior notice. I was the founder and leader of the festival organization with almost all of the financial and legal responsibility as I had held for the previous 5 years. When I successfully intervened by contacting elected leaders at this late and busy time and stopped this outrageous maneuvering, Tony West, Brian Siano, and Ed Haligan managed to persuade the department of Recreation beuracrat to violate the city's contract and deliver an expensive showmobile stage to them instead of the contracted liable party, me. The delivery crew apologized to me at the end of the day and explained that they had been ordered to deliver the expensive equipment to these jerks at an EARLIER TIME and NOT CALL ME as we had confirmed and had done for years. The crew knew that I was required to sign a contract accepting liability for this equipment. Brian is lying that I agreed to their final attempt at bullying. When I learned they intended to intervene and intimidate the city workers when I received the stage, I warned Brian that I would call the police if any of them attempted to interfere. I even called the police in advance to tell them that I was concerned about this occurring at 7AM. Please note, the police have always been supportive of the festival. This was in my post from Sept. 24, 2004: Moyer posts on Sept. 24, 2004: Wish us luck. I will update the general public and begin action after the scheduled festival. With less than 21 hours to go our situation remains unresolved. Right now, I must meet with the police because I believe that we may be intimidated by an elite bully in the early morning hours. This occurred last September as well. It is an incredible lie that Brian now maintains that I agreed to meet those assholes. He asserts that I irresponsibly missed the meeting time and those assholes saved the festival. As the the 2004 thread ends and these assholes are shown to be the bullies they are, with the usual hubris, Tony West claims that he was entitled to take over my role as leader of the group because he declared himself part of the CPMAC. This really put the icing on the cake of this public record captured at the time it occurred. I think checking the listserv records is
RE: [UC] Re: Jannie Strikes Another Blow For Good Government
I wondered what provisions are in for when districts are re-drawn? (or is that something that never happens?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ellingsworth Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:54 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Jannie Strikes Another Blow For Good Government C'mon Dave. Jannie already told everyone she's all ethic'd out. Seriously, any thoughts on why she did dissent? Regards, John Ellingsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, speaking of our district's representative on City Council, those of you who haven't been distracted by news of her recent alliance with Tom Knox may have spotted the following tidbit in today's Inquirer, at the end of an article about recent Council doings: ...[B]y a 16-1 vote, with Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell the sole dissenter, Council passed a bill requiring district Council candidates to have lived in their districts for at least one year before they could be elected to represent the district. Because the bill requires a charter change, voters would have to first approve it during the November election. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, 4 May 2007 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [UC] important question about free speech rally In any event I'm happy to report that it is now LEGAL to post bills to utility poles -- Our city councilwoman has valiantly un-destroyed Glenn's right to free speech -- like a Phoenix from the ashes -- Al (I believe) posted the exact statute. So we may all join UCD now in celebrating the free grassroots-friendly advertising spaces and UCD can get back to emptying the community trash cans and sweeping up litter along Locust. Glenn will no doubt let us know when he's found a new windmill. -Original Message- From: Mike V. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your point isn't sound, Glenn. To claim that UCD is against free speech because they tear down illegal posters is akin to claiming that the state of Pennsylvania is trying to destroy the right to drive a car because they refuse to register cars that don't pass inspection. To see the attempt to stifle civil rights in UCD's actions is tinfoil helmet paranoia. - Mike V. __ __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Live Blues and Jazz
I wouldn't object to a UCAnnounce message with the original content being discussed. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Sharrieff Ali Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Live Blues and Jazz Jim..I love you man..but this is such a blatant mis-use of the listserv as ever presented. Your post is purely a commercial billboard advertisement for your one neighborhood business and your second non-neighborhood business (congrats by-the-way) and now your business promotion of jazz-come-buy-my-stuff-on-Monday thing. On top of everything else, you send us yet another advertisement of your part-time employees web-site..yet another commercial venture. Why can't Varsity Pizza advertise their wings special? It is a really good deal! And by the way..just where did you move when you left U-City? Do they have a listserv? U-City Review could use the advertising business which is where I would look for your jazz ad. (or next time just send it privately to a bunch of people.. the word will get around) S Director of Listserv Complaint Department -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:07 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Live Blues and Jazz My apologies in advance if this offends anyone as an advertisement. I just wanted to get the word out about a new amenity in the neighborhood. We are starting a regular Friday night of live jazz and blues at the cafe with local Philadelphia artist Jim Dragoni and special guests. It kicks off next Monday night the 19th (just to get things rolling) and then continues every Friday thereafter starting the 23rd. Cover is $5 (plus tips to the musicians if you're so inclined) for Jim and his guests. Here are the details: Location: Metropolitan Bakery Cafe 4013 Walnut Street (across from The Bridge movie theater) Time: Doors (actually we only have one, but doors sounds more impressive) open at 8:00pm with two sets starting at 8:30pm If you want to know more about Jim, here's his website http://wwwemusictime.com Thanks for taking the time to read this -- hope to see you some Friday night! Jim Lilly Owner Metropolitan Bakery Cafe 4013 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 215-222-1492 Metropolitan Bakery 8607 Germantown Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19118 215-753-9001 _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht tp://www.aol.com AOL.com.
RE: [UC] Re: Why does the state store want to move
Idiocy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:23 AM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Why does the state store want to move Anthony West wrote: Well, among the facts that have been revealed are -- That the state store's current building has a chronically broken furnace; That the state store's current building is in a less than optimal location for retail expansion; That the state store's current building is not large enough to expand its wine selection; That PLCB, whose store it is, is interested in moving it. Real community participation went into these retail judgements, as they do into every retail decision. But public meetings and listserve manifestos are not the medium of choice for this input. Retailers get feedback from their customers, who are the public that matters for such decisions, and base their decisions accordingly. In any event, they are not what zoning decisions are based on. A zoning hearing is not a forum at which you can say, I don't want Business X to do business at Site Y because I personally want to make them do business with me at Site Z instead. You can't be granted that power. speculation. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeamR] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. http://tinyurl.com/22gslj Danny DeRitis, who is rumored to be the owner of the building that will house the proposed wine and spirits shop, has not returned the several calls made to his office by press time. http://tinyurl.com/ysazo7 The Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board has denied the move will take place, but both community officials and the building's developer have confirmed that preliminary discussions have been ongoing. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Re: Why does the state store want to move
Hmm - Unless Tony West has invented a new career for himself he is one of the few non-lawyers on this list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:31 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Why does the state store want to move Jeez, can you stop being a lawyer for a minute? What does race have to do with anything other than as an excuse for baiting? Is a cold work site somehow worse for people of color? If not, why even bring it up? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] RE: West Philly High re recent violence there
Agreed. That matches my understanding of the outcome of the design process-that all parties agreed that some form of smaller-mini-schools within a larger campus arrangement-was desirable. The school district still needs to be able to educate roughly the number of students presently being taught at West Philly High, in some reasonable proximity to the current location. So-I'm not expecting to see the present large institution replace by a single much smaller entity-but I believe that they will try to create multiple schools within some larger framework. What that will look like, and how well it will function, we've yet to see. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:20 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] RE: West Philly High re recent violence there In a message dated 3/13/2007 11:02:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that whether the current building could be renovated as an alternative to building a new building from scratch is a reasonable debate to have. It still has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread. I attended the press conference cum community meeting. One thing came out in favor of a new building, with which I'd be hard-pressed to disagree. That's the idea that smaller high schools tend to do better than the more traditional larger versions. Paul Vallas cited some evidence -- granted anecdotal -- about the improvements they've seen when they converted Middle Schools like Sayre into small high schools. If this is the purpose, to create a smaller West Philadelphia High School that won't just be a replacement for the present institution, it puts the issue into a different category. Always at your service and ready for a dialog R brand resident and housing provider, Al Krigman _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 AOL.com.
RE: [UC] RE: West Philly High re recent violence there
Yes to number 1, perhaps not to number 2-but in both cases-the need was not driven by the problems you refer to, but by the need to renovate or replace the aging building. I haven't heard anyone suggest that the new building will somehow result in model behavior by all the students. Are you suggesting that the students are somehow undeserving of a new building? In any case, none of them will be there when the new building is completed. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:13 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] RE: West Philly High re recent violence there In a message dated 3/12/2007 4:06:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's been that way for a LONG time. Not just at West Philadelphia High either but all over the district. At least you don't have to go inside and spend your day in that sort of environment, be trained and re-trained and re-trained in the name of School Reform. OR Be held accountable if they don't do well on standardized tests; have to present your credentials to proven highly qualified to be in there and try to teach them. OR See no consequences for the students or their parents; just you and/or your administrator. This is how people are treated who WANT to be there and want to teach. We shall see how the public reacts when contract negotiations start soon; as the district tries to pare down even more of our rights and heap more responsibility on us. Does anybody think that all the time spent on the forum to pretend Community Input drove the plans to build a new facility for West Philadelphia High has had any positive impact? Does anybody think that a new building will solve any or all of the problems? (I don't, and can point to what's happened at the new campus-like Atlantic City High School to back up this belief. It's as bad there as it was in the old high school building. Always at your service and ready for a dialog R brand resident and housing provider, Al Krigman _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 AOL.com.
RE: [UC] It's the Milton Street Show!
He's definitely providing the best entertainment value--thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle Cassidy Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:24 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] It's the Milton Street Show! Those of you who didn't make it down to the Milton Street rally to represent West Philly missed a really good time. Seriously, it was the most entertaining political rally I've been to in quite some time. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Here we go again (maybe UCD won't meddle in this one, although...)
While you are proofreading, you might see if you can find a post from Kyle after his event. I don't see one, although I do see the phrase you mention used by someone else, _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:15 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Here we go again (maybe UCD won't meddle in this one, although...) In a message dated 2/20/2007 9:11:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And... your sensitivity to the faith-based objections of the mosque (which was the point of my posting, in case you didn't read the whole posting before feeling you had to get in your 0.2 cents), Kyle? Or, since you're not only a Muslim but made jokes about getting shit-faced at your photo exhibit last week, do you think that's irrelevant? Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny R Whoops! Meant to say since you're not only not a Muslim (I guess I was too eager to get in my $2.00 to proofread my rebuke to the self-serving posting by one of our upstanding solid citizens). Al Krigman Far left of Ivan Grozny R
RE: [UC] Clark Park Jan 18 Meeting: Video Now Available
Absolutely brilliant--Listening to it now. Would love to be able to see the slides--are they at the web site? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Masonary/Plaster Wall Work in Basement
We like Walter W Walden 215-476-4023 He can do it all--finish plaster, tuckpointing brick, or the basement. Call after 8 in the evenings. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [UC] Masonary/Plaster Wall Work in Basement I am looking for someone to do some masonary wall repair and plastering work in our basement. I recall somebody recommending someone on this topic before, but I couldn't find it in the archives. Any suggestions? Jonathan A. Cass -- Original Message -- From: HBW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: HBW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:19:35 -0500 Hi, I need a recommendation for a reliable, inexpensive plumber. Thanks! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Sent via the WebMail system at mail.sbvlaw.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Is etiquette in R.E. = Different agents for each neighborhood?
I'm not a real estate agent, let alone a realtor, nor am I a party to the dispute we've seen here. I think that the answer to your question hinges on the level of professionalism adhered to (and shown by) the agent of your choice--really, in the end, the one you buy from. It seems to me that in your case you made a good choice, and the reasons were clear. My dim understanding is that there is indeed a compensation difference, but that difference happens for a variety of reasons for each agent, and shouldn't affect their work for you. - Original Message - From: Nicole Mcewan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [UC] Is etiquette in R.E. = Different agents for each neighborhood? This is an honest question -- no sarcasm at all. I'm not trying to step on any toes or offend anyone. What if you are looking in different neighborhoods simultaneously? Or if you're new to the city altogether? Someone who is new to Philly has no idea that each area represents a turf to a particular agent or real estate agency. Or what if you live here but are working with an agent and exploring Brewerytown, Fishtown and South Philly for investment purposes? If a listing comes up in University City that interests you -- are you supposed to go directly to that agency for that listing? Do agents care if they know you're working with more than one simultaneously? I had a weird experience about seven years ago with an agent (no one being discussed here of course) who was always drunk when she would take us out to look. We didn't have a car at the time and it made us uncomfortable especially since our toddler was sometimes on board. Well, we stopped working with her and we wound up buying something about six months later having found a very professional local agent. The first agent somehow found out we bought a house and called me one day and started yelling at me... ! I sure didn't mention her problem during that conversation because I knew she had my new address and she seemed a little unhinged at the time. Also: It's my understanding that this is multiple listing city but I've heard of situations where neighborhood agencies block access to their listings. Anotherwards, if an outside agency calls to set up a showing the office will come up with a variety of excuses to stall access. I was told that this is because agents only get half the commission if that agent happens to sell the house. If this is true then that's probably not good for the seller who might be losing out on potential sellers. Or is it better to deal directly with the listing agent for each property? Of course the problem in that situation is that the agent is working for the seller so it's a little bit of a conflict of interest. Lastly -- do our neighborhood realtors also sell homes in other areas of the city if a client decides University City is not a right fit for them? Or do they refer people to other agencies? Again -- this is just an honest inquiry. Nicole McEwan You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] [EMAIL PROTECTED] replies
Well - that explains it then--they obviously just did the north/south streets and forgot the east/west streets. In other "news of the storm" Windsor avenue did, in fact, get plowed by an actual private contractor in a pickup truck with a plow blade and salt spreader. Thanks Jannie! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [UC] [EMAIL PROTECTED] replies Bill, on Wednesday afternoon, I returned to my house from an appointment at about 4 p.m., and the trash trucks had just come down the street. My neighbor was taking his empty cans in. I asked him about his recycling, still at the curb, and he said they had just told him to hold it till next week. He was grumbling a little about this. I took 2 trash cans to the back of my house and returned for a third, just in time to see the recycling truck appear and start loading glass and cans! Melani Lamond
Re: [UC] [EMAIL PROTECTED] replies
What I found confusing was that as I came home at about 4 PM on Wednesday, I saw the recycling truck pass by on 49th street, and heard the unmistakable sound of collection in progress. So I dutifully grabbed the stuff that I had up on the porch so it wouldn't be under a snow bank and hauled it back out to the curb, neighbors laughing at me all the way. And the next morning I hauled it back up on the porch to wait another week. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [UC] [EMAIL PROTECTED] replies Which I guess explains why they took the trash and left the recycling. On the other hand, a neigbor on 46th Street said his trash was picked up last Saturday. I'm surprised that they managed to get the trash this week on the regular day, given the snow, and also that you actually got a response. In a message dated 3/3/2005 5:48:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the reply I got yesterday to my query about the trash collection that should have occurred on Thursday, but for the snow. Trash was indeed picked up yesterday, late in the day. Elliot Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03 March 2005 10:00:54 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: missed trash and recycling pickup last week The trash collection for on last Thursday was cancelled, not rescheduled. The trash trucks were used for snow duty instead of Sanitation. The trash pick up for this week is on schedule and trash is being picked up. Olga Thank you for visiting our web site. If you need to contact us again, please respond back to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phila.gov/streets http://recycling.phila.gov [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/2005 04:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: missed trash and recycling pickup last week Good day, We live at 552 South 48th Street. Our regular trash pickup day and recycling pickup day would have been Wednesday, 23 February 2005. Because Monday, 21 February was Presidents' Day, our pickups should have occurred on Thursday. Trash and recycling pickups were, however, cancelled for Thursday because of preparations for the impending snow storm. When they were rescheduled for Friday and Saturday, we had some hopes that our trash and recycling would be picked up, but it wasn't. It appears as though our entire neighborhood was in effect dropped from the collection schedule last week, as not only our trash and recycling, but also trash and recycling all over this neighborhood at most addresses, appear still to be out for collection. Does the Streets Department have any plan for corrective action to deal with this situation? Thank you, Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 United States of America telephone: 215-747-6204 mobile: 267-240-8418 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] (no subject)
This is a pro. I had a visit last night from a relatively short woman wearing dark clothes--really not much distinguishable about her--seeking money to get back to Delaware. I suggested that I could call the police to assist her, and she was quick to state that she'd already talked to them and they couldn't provide assistance to get her to Delaware. One characteristic of a good con is a ready response to even the most mean-spirited counters the mark can make--and that characteristic alone is a tip-off, I think. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: [UC] (no subject) This past Thursday afternoon, a woman came to my door, waking me from a nap, saying that she needed help, that she was 62 years old and undergoing chemotherapy for cancer. She was short, very wrinkled, and looked at least 70. I imagined that I saw some blotches on her left cheek, but I was both half asleep and wanting to connect her with themany recent posts abouta scammer. I live on the 4500 block ofRegent Street. The womanat my door claimed to be a neighbor and then when Isaid "I know who you are, I'veheard all about you, and you don't live on my street." At which point she said"I'm your neighbor around the corner,I live on 48th st." I replied "I'm sorry, Idon't trust you," to whichshe answered "I trust in Jesus," shook her head, and toddled off toward Clark Park.Thedog-walker who had brought her to my door, because Iam the only person she knows on Regent Street(lucky me!) apologizedprofusely to me and took her leave.My questiontoall of youwho've met the scamming lady is whether my visitor is likely to be the same person. I don't remember reading anything about herapparent age in any of your posts. If I'dbeen moretogether at the time, Imight have called the police or UCD or at least suggested tothe woman thatshe might gethelp from them, or I could have directed her to the health center across the park.It is awfullysad that so manywretched people are walkingourstreets, where they are clearly not getting the help they need. B. Tilley
Re: [UC] Fwd: [phillyblocks] Rename West River Drive?
Martin Luther King Jr. does have some Philadelphia history. http://www.afsc.org/about/hist/king.htm http://www.philamlk.org/about_02.htm I'm probably not the best person to expound on this, and the links above don't indicate a substantial amount of time spent here, but there were crucial interactions, both for his life and for the lives of people he touched in our city. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [UC] Fwd: [phillyblocks] Rename West River Drive? In a message dated 2/17/2005 7:40:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Naming the drive after MLK is political pander to a gulible public. Nice piece. How right you are. I'm surprised Ed posted it, since he is the current mayor's fawning lap dog and back-channel PR piece. While MLK Jr. has no Phila history, if there is an arterial that needs to be used to spread the teachings of MLK, Jr., it is North Broad St. If they really want to celebrate the meaning of his life, rename North Broad St. "MLK Jr. Way" Try to stop the young men and women killing each other through violence, and poisoning each other with drugs. Not to mention the harm they visit upon their own families. But, this isn't about celebrating the life and ways of MLK, Jr., its about sending a disturbing autocratic message about "Black Power"; just like "the brothers and sisters are in charge" or whatever self-serving pabulum John Street spewed. It also diverts attention away from the US/DOJ corruption prosecutions. What a shame for Our Wonderful City. Ciao, Craig Craig MelidosianRealSolutions NetworkP O Box 33355Phila PA 19142-0555215-724-8148 24hr voice/fax215-724-3212 voiceBreakthrough RelationshipsEnhancing Value in Community GovernmentCopyright ©1998-2005
[UC] Kudos to the Strikes Bowling Lounge
My 16 year old son Matthew lost his wallet there on Friday. The Assistant manager took the trouble to do some detective work and find our phone number which wasn't in the wallet, and call to tell us that the wallet had been found and was in safekeeping. Thanks! Matthew reported an enjoyable time bowling there with some friends, although the cover charge system resulted in their spending more money than they might have. I'm trying to figure out how to post their pricelist here, but it is a bit complex--let me see if I can simplify it quite a bit: First, there's a cover charge, which you get back in coupons which are good only on that day. Before 6 PM, $2 Sunday through Wednesday, 6 PM til closing, $5 Thursday through Saturday , 6 pm til closing, $10 Since his party was there on a Friday evening, they hit the $10 charge. Bowling ranges from $3 early in the morning on a weekend to $7 after 10PM on Thursday through Saturday Shoe rentals similarly range from $2 to $4 with somewhat fewer different increments involved. Pool tables per hour range from $4 to $16 over the same time ranges as Bowling. So, for example, on a Friday, between 6 and 10, bowling is $6 and shoes are $4 and a pool table would be $13. The list is somewhat complex, and the amounts are given pre-tax--what I've posted includes the tax--but they do have it available on paper which you can take with you so you can plan your visits. There are also signficant discounts for those with Student Id's which I believe my son's group mostly had. The Friday evening figures for Students would be $5 for bowling, and $3 for shoes, and $11 for an hour at the pool tables. The cover charge is the same for students and the rest of us.
Re: [UC] Parking Rage: Bloody Hell!!!
I know this topic has been beaten into the ground, but maybe I can help end it on a lighter note. Many years ago I lived in Chicago, and went to school at the University of Illinois Circle Campus which was in a suburb close in to the city. The campus had residential neighborhoods adjacent to it with houses similar to the blocks of Osage or Melville in our neighborhood. In the backs of these houses would be a paved parking area about big enough for one car. In one of these houses at the end of a row, closest to the campus lived a mason who left work very early in the morning, and returned a bit before 5 as most tradespeople did. Several days in a row he came home to find a car parked in his parking area. He put notes on the windshield, etc. When the problem persisted after several days--same car, he brought home a load of concrete block and built a three foot high concrete block wall right against the back bumper of the vehicle. There ensued a standoff which I never heard the full story of, but the picture of the car with the wall blocking its escape was priceless. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: We Are All Human and make Mistakes
Thanks for this post! - Original Message - From: Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: PFSNI listserv [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [UC] Re: We Are All Human and make Mistakes My apologies for the rather lengthy post. With regard to the UC Listserv, I would like to say a couple of things. First of all ten years and a bit more ago, I was Co-Chair of the Spruce Hill Membership during the time when Patrick Starr was SHCA's President. Nick Sanders (then Treasurer) and I began to organize the Membership List by way of e-mail. Nick suggested that it would be wonderful if Spruce Hill Members and especially Officers could communicate by e-mail to expedite organizational affairs. So we began a Spruce Hill E-mail list where primarily Officers of the Board of Spruce Hill and others in the organization who had e-mail and Internet access, (which was not as plentiful in 1994 as it is now.) could tend to community business. Some of my family members were on the Internet during the early 70's (Hackers all) and I am sure Bill Magill could attest to the fact that there was an Internet (then known by another name) before the masses had access. The SHCA e-mail list later was expanded to LibertyNet where SHCA was launching a website to promote their proposal for a Spruce Hill Historical District. Thereafter, I am not quite sure how the UC List came metamorphosed from the SHCA e-mail list except that Sharrieff Ali, reported earlier that SHCA formed an Internet Committee and Jeff Abramson (member of said committee) sponsored the listserv and put it on purple.com. It is impossible for us now to conceive that during the 90's most people did not have the now ubiquitous personal computers (no laptops then, either) and access to The Internet. Even I had a Bag Cell Phone in my car during the early 90's and in 1997 switched to one of the first Motorola Flip Phones which now looks like a .357 Magnum. Kids have grown up since then who were never without computers and those of us who think of this as only 10 or 15 years ago (it was) often do not realize that people who are now of age and older do not recall when one wrote letters, or even knows how to do so. They played Middle School and even High School pranks via the Web and have known no other world. Even WE have to admit that a community listserv is now considered a high-tech version of The Backyard Clothesline and Fence and not a PSA (Public Service Announcement) forum at all times. Therefore, I feel it is up to those of us who have been raised to be socialized differently (person-person) to perhaps chastise those who step over the bounds of social and Internet etiquette without resorting to the same means of personal put-downs that they may use. After all, new generations and the technology they grow up with are now even quicker than the traditional true generational progression that we have always known. Show patience and go easy on offenders and show them the way without telling them to get a life. One may never know whether or not they may help you along in our rapidly changing world of technology. Regards, Wilma On 1/11/05 3:56 PM, William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 Jan, 2005, at 08:37, Jennifer Horner wrote: I agree completely with Lauren - the univ city listserve has devolved into a small group of frequent posters sharing in-jokes, with only an occasional (maybe once a week) useful announcement or discussion. The traffic was too much (even when I siphoned it into a separate box) -- I unsubscribed and now rely on pfsni for local info. There is a culture listserve (culture@list.purple.com) to which I also subscribe but it doesn't appear to be used that much -- I can't remember how I got on it but maybe someone could share the information with the Penn Alexander rep The PFSNI mailing list is not and never was a community listserv. It was created as a means for the ORGANIZATION called PFSNI (which has not had an existence for many, many years -- the last steering committee meeting was in 2000) to communicate amongst its membership. PFSNI = Penn Faculty and Staff for Neighborhood Interests. http://www.pfsni.org/pfsniwhat.html Its goal is to help the University focus and apply its considerable resources to preserve and sustain these neighborhoods for generations of Penn people to come. The PFSNI webserver was moved off the main Penn Web (www.upenn.edu/pfsni is now a re-direct to www.pfsni.org) server several years ago because there was no organization on campus to support it. [And in fact, the website hasn't been updated for many years, including the [EMAIL PROTECTED] directory, whose entries are pitifully obsolete.] While it is true that today, the membership of the mailing list is dominated by
Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions
So why are you asking me? I have no connection to those organizations. I could look up the definitions in the current historic district legislation as easily as you could, I suppose. I applaud your posting your desire for enlightenment, but if you are really seeking it, putting notes up on a bulletin board and hoping some kind soul will respond probably isn't the most direct path. - Original Message - From: L a s e r B e a m ® [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions Bill Sanderson wrote: Precisely. There are shades of grey to every issue. I don't expect UCHS to go to the wall for every possible encroachment on a historic structure in west Philly. Clearly you know a lot more about that body than I do, but I would expect such a group to pick their battles. The way I read what the University has said about its process in looking at whether the buildings could be preserved, I don't think I'd pick this battle. Others might--I'm not knocking jayfar's efforts, but this issue isn't one that I can get too excited about. OTOH, I'm in favor of a historic district, too. shucks, I know as much as the next person about what uchs is doing/not doing. as far as I can tell, uchs is a local organization which has been publicly battling on our collective behalf to establish an historic district in ucity, on the grounds of 'history' and 'preservation' and 'non-encroachment.' and I am trying, as a citizen of ucity, to understand uchs's definitions of 'history' and 'preservation' and 'encroachment' -- definitions which will affect my life and your life in ucity, definitions which will need to be publicly understood as new examples of 'history' and 'preservation' and 'encroachment' arise in ucity. and so I ask, publicly: given that uchs has thus far defined 'history' and 'preservation' and 'non-encroachment' in its efforts to establish an historic district, what is the uchs's stance on the imminent destruction of convention hall and the commercial museum? you may recall that I began this discussion by wondering if there was selectivity at work, in how some histories may be legitimized while others may not. unfortunately, it is not enlightening for me to know whether you are personally excited about any of this or not, or whether you personally favor historic districts or not, or whether you would personally pick this battle or not. I'm asking about something rather more public. . laserbeam® [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Re: Scammer or Casing Alert
One common characteristic I've seen in reasonably good cons is that the amount of money involved is small enough that it won't be greatly missed by the mark, and not enough to raise a lot of concern about all the details of the story. I was a bit surprised by my neighbors story 'cause the amount was $50--which I'd view as pretty significant--but I guess my mindset hasn't kept up with inflation. - Original Message - From: Charles H. Buchholtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mayer, Ann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Re: Scammer or Casing Alert From: Mayer, Ann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:58:07 -0500 These guys sound smarter than the guy who stopped me one morning Telling me a story about how he had just lost a $25 bill and Desperately needed a loan to get a taxi to take him to the Airport. There's another one that I've seen three or four times in as many years. It was pretty convincing the first time, but now that I've seen it a few times I'm impervious. I've run into this in different parts of the city, with people heading in different directions. Say you're walking west on Walnut. A guy approaches me walking east, and asks me directions to 69th street station. So, you tell him to turn around and walk about 25 blocks west. He deflates, he's already been walking for 15 blocks because some cop gave him bad directions. So, now he's walking alongside you, talking to you. Maybe the cop gave me bad directions on purpose. The cop got all freaked out when he found out I had AIDS, didn't want me near him and stuff. Oh, that's awful, you say. He tells you what a good person you are, many people don't understand about AIDS, but you aren't one of those. He takes your hand, and there's a touching moment (literally) because he really appreciates the simple human contact. Then he explains that he's on his way to an AIDS hostel or retreat or something in Swarthmore, and that once he gets to 69th Street station he's got 50 cents for the train - someone said it was the R3?. After that, it's a pretty standard con, money for the train to 69th, money for the R3 to Swarthmore, money for food, etc. He may throw in that he needs to be there by some deadline, that he isn't going to make if he needs to walk to 69th and then panhandle for the fare. I've gotten this in center city when I was walking east (City Hall to Temple), and in west philly walking west (69th street station to Swarthmmore). Same story, possibly the same guy, it was more than a year later. As I said, I've gotten it three or four times. Probably comes from walking a lot. One guy added a particularly pathetic twist. He appeared to be a deaf mute, with a small pad of paper and a pencil. Same story, though. --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Scammer or Casing Alert
Title: Scammer or Casing Alert Definitely scam. At a New Years party this morning I heard a very similar story from a neighbor. Probably one guy--and he's working hard! - Original Message - From: Kyle Cassidy To: 'UnivCity@list.purple.com ' Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: [UC] Scammer or Casing Alert We just had a guy stop by the front door claiming he'd locked his keys in his car on 36th street (along with his wallet) and needed my help for something abstract. He said he'd just moved up here to live in 217 with his grandparents (the Hendersons, who may or may not live in 217) to attend Penn. When he said this, I realized I'd met him about a year ago when he came to my door with the exact same story and wanted $20 to pay the locksmith. When I told him he'd stopped by already with the same story, he said all he wanted was to call the locksmith to make sure they'd be at his car. I asked what they're number was (the locksmith) he gave me a bogus number (someone's home answering machine), when I said it was a home machine he said "Oh, they must be at my car" and took off. I'm not sure if he's just hoping to get $20 from someone or, as Christy suspected, he was casing the place. Thought I should mention this in case anybody else runs into him. He looks to be mid to late 20's, about five five, white, very closely cropped dark hair, slight gap between his front teeth. He told me his name was Lee. Christy says she believes she's also met him when she lived on 20th street telling the same story. Has anybody else run into this guy? kc
Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review (fwd)
- Original Message - From: Jayfar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review (fwd) Gersil Kay writes, somewhat edited: The Civic Center would be an ideal location for a Gambling Casino. It is accessible, yet away from day-to-day activities. Historic venues are widely used for such purposes in England and Australia. By all means we need an experimental cancer center, but the ancient Romans knew that circuses as well as bread is wanted by the populace.The proposed center can be placed adjacent to the period buildings. A tunnel under the road would have to be provided in any case, to ferry patients back and forth from the main hospital. Penn should employ the automated parking equipment used internationally that holds twice as many cars in half the space. Fumes and noise are eliminated because car motors are turned off once delivered to the facility. AARGH! I was reading along saying, basically, um humm.. and agreeing generally with the points about energy conservation, etc, but also feeling that Penn had already taken those factors into account by my reading of their process, until I got to the paragraph above. Forget it lady--not in My Back Yard (to coin a phrase.) We need a gambling casino so that relatives of cancer patients can have some R and R? I'm afraid this committee has lost credibility completely with me. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions
I fail to see a contradiction in any of your examples. Irony is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. - Original Message - From: L a s e r B e a m ® [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the vet school needed more space, and this solution was very creative. Penn bought the former gas station in the middle of the street, figured out how to reconfigure the street, and traded the gas station land for land which was part of Baltimore Ave. I think this is about the best thing Penn has done since I've been paying attention! it would seem that a uchs board member can applaud penn's expansion and encroachment so long as it's for a good and worthy cause. FORMER board member. Ray, are you saying that UCHS should have tried to save a GAS STATION and a TRAFFIC ISLAND? nah, I'm just trying to reconcile apparent contradictions and ironies... like how a former uchs board member can applaud penn's encroachment while another uchs board member claims that historic districting stems penn's encroachment. or how penn's encroachment is destroying the historic convention hall and commercial museum while uchs is mum about it. or how you're applauding the vet school's encroachment while the vet school's mark stuart is prez of uchs. . laserbeam® [aka ray] (btw http://uchs.net/WhosWho/uchswhoswho.html needs to be updated, no? you're still listed there as being on the uchs board of governors.) You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions
Precisely. There are shades of grey to every issue. I don't expect UCHS to go to the wall for every possible encroachment on a historic structure in west Philly. Clearly you know a lot more about that body than I do, but I would expect such a group to pick their battles. The way I read what the University has said about its process in looking at whether the buildings could be preserved, I don't think I'd pick this battle. Others might--I'm not knocking jayfar's efforts, but this issue isn't one that I can get too excited about. OTOH, I'm in favor of a historic district, too. - Original Message - From: L a s e r B e a m ® [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions Bill Sanderson wrote: Irony is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I guess failure to see irony is in the eye of the beholder as well! ;-) . laserbeam® [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Archiving of the UC List, Admin Praise, Christmas
I liked the idea of an RSS feed, but not being a genius, couldn't figure out whether that was possible with this particular list. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Archiving of the UC List, Admin Praise, Christmas In a message dated 12/27/2004 5:40:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: diezmil.com When your list/server admin is a genius, what would you expect? www.diezmil.com ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ What is openSubscriber? An archiving service for electronic mailing lists... Currently subscribed lists? 947 Lists 331095 Messages using 751 MB hdd space as of Tuesday, 28 December 2004 Frequently Asked Questions ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ © 2004 openSubscriber.com All rights reserved. A Merry Christmas is for everyone who wants to have a joyous time. May the blessings of Christmas be with everyone who celebrates the positive wonders of humanity or who is in need of experiencing them. Okay, its a little to much but we only do it once a year. What, you would rather experience snow and brutal cold? Craig Melidosian RealSolutions Network P O Box 33355 Phila PA 19142-0555 215-724-8148 24hr voice/fax 215-724-3212 voice Breakthrough Relationships Enhancing Value in Community Government Copyright ©1998-2004 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] arsenic in the soil
This doesn't seen to have struck a chord here. Is there an objective reason to believe that there is a problem? Soil tests are easy to come by, if you listen to Whyy's gardening progams, anyway--does anyone know if such a test includes Arsenic levels? As an aside, We have an immediate neighbor whose back yard is covered with carpeting because, as she mentioned to my wife some years back, one of their tenants poisoned the back yard. I don't remember the details of the method of poisoning, but it was described. There is stuff growing around the carpeting. Is this the same person who's asking the question? - Original Message - From: Jo Ann Fishburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UC Purple List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: [UC] arsenic in the soil A friend asked me to write to the list to see if anyone has any information about the seriousness of arsenic in the soil in our neighborhood. Has anyone dealt with this issue? Does it need to be removed? How can it be removed? Is it dangerous? Where does it come from? Any information would be appreciated. Jo Ann You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] cakes, loaves, dozens, inches, ounces (was: striking at strikes)
Thank's for changing the subject header. I was manually killfiling the tedious thread about who's on the correct side of the political spectrum in our neighborhood--but happened to read laserbeams last contribution for some reason, and enjoyed it. So--thanks, Ray and Chip! (now--what does this have to do with University City--get back On Topic!) - Original Message - From: Charles H. Buchholtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: [UC] cakes, loaves, dozens, inches, ounces (was: striking at strikes) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_a_s_e_r_B_e_a_m_=AE?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:49:52 -0500 this got me wondering about the phrase baker's dozen, Which reminded me of a story I heard about inches and ounces. According to this article, they both come from the same latin root word, which meant 1/12th. The Romans got a lot of their math from the babylonians, who used base 12 and base 60. Notice that if you pronounce ounce with a soft Italian c, as in Abbraccio, it sounds a lot like inch. But wait! An ounce is 1/16th of a pound, not 1/12th! Well, it turns out that Roman legionaires by law were paid with an ounce of gold (maybe on honorable discharge retirement?) When the empire started running out of money, they redefined the ounce from 1/12th of a pound down to smaller fractions, eventually settling at 1/16th. That way, they could pay off more soldiers with the same amount of gold. --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] [Fwd: Checked with www.snopes and it is for real]
No--he first worked in Canada, but he returned to his birthplace--which according to this: http://www.who2.com/fredrogers.html was actually Latrobe, PA, rather than Pittsburgh itself. http://www.salon.com/people/bc/1999/08/10/rogers/ is another reference. You can probably say that the show mr rogers was born in Canada--in which case we're just arguing about symantics--sorry about that. - Original Message - From: L a s e r B e a m ® [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [UC] [Fwd: Checked with www.snopes and it is for real] Bill Sanderson wrote: - Original Message - From: L a s e r B e a m ® snopes also says mr. rogers wasn't from around here. and not only that, but snopes says the original misterogers wasn't even from this country! http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp Re-read that, Please. Yes, he wasn't from around here, he was from Pittsburgh. Last I looked, Pittsbufgh was part of this country, although the current blue/red split may be pushing to change that. did you read what snopes cited? mr. rogers was canadian! http://www.misterrogers.org/mister_rogers_neighborhood/biography.asp [the programming for wqed in pittsburgh that rogers developed in the early 50s was called the children's corner. josie carey was the host; fred rogers was a puppeteer, composer and organist. it was in 63 that he did the canadian misterogers (for cbc), and that was where he (as mister rogers) made his debut as the program's host. in 66 he returned to pittsburgh, and segments of the cbc were incorporated into a new series called misterogers' neighborhood.] . laserbeam® [aka ray] always at your whatever and ready for a whatever __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] What happened to leaf day?
I've no idea, but I see UCD trucks today, Sunday, doing pickup, Small pickup truck, though, and LOTS of leaves. - Original Message - From: Dan Myers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: [UC] What happened to leaf day? Our block bagged about 40 some bags this morning, why weren't they picked up today? Anybody know why? Dan Myers215.901.0899Certified Massage Practitioner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: [UC] Re: Anyone have anything to add? That interchange has to be one of the worst engineered traffic fixes I have ever seen. I think they should start siphoning off traffic before Baltimore gets to that intersection. Maybe make it one way (westbound) from 40th to 42nd. Make the traffic eastbound have to turn at 42nd.Just my two cents.In a message dated 12/4/04 5:18:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On an icy road even 15 mph will be hazardous, but your clever solution re concrete barriers is akin to destroying the village in order to save it.- Original Message -From: William H. MagillTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: UClist ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UPSent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:58 PMSubject: Re: Anyone have anything to add?On 04 Dec, 2004, at 14:06, I. Milton Karabell wrote: December 4, 2004 Commissioner Department of Streets City of Philadelphia 7th Floor, MSB Philadelphia, PA 19102-1676 Dear Commissioner: While the myriad of construction projects continues at the intersection of Baltimore, Woodland and University Avenues, it remains to be seen whether the result of all this change and construction will result in better traffic flow. Clearly a great deal of money was involved and we should reasonably expect that an improvement will be the end result. One thing is already clear; the intersection of Baltimore Avenue with Woodland Avenue (eastbound) will be a dangerous place to be whenever the road surface is the least bit slippery. The hard right turn immediately followed by a hard left turn into a sharp curve to the right will be a real challenge to any driver. I hope someone will be compiling statistics on the accidents that will be occurring at this "improved" traffic pattern.Clearly the definition of "traffic flow" is at issue here.Since this is a major Pedestrian area -- a residential area and aschool zone -- the primary issue with controlling traffic flow is todramatically lower the speeds which vehicles can obtain whiletransiting the area. And in the process, discourage vehicular use ofthe area.The best method to deal with this potential problem would be to installsignificant rumble strips and speed bumps on all of the incoming lanes.If spaced no more than 20 feet apart, these would force drivers to slowdown to the point where these hard left and right turns are no longer aproblem for any driver. The new intersection can be easily navigated at15 miles per hour, but not at the normal 40 which most expect to bedoing when they try to run the lights.Additionally, heavy concrete barriers could be installed at the"impact" points so that any vehicle which fails to negotiate the turnswill be severely damaged and removed from the roadways of the city.The resulting slow-down in overall traffic speeds will do more toalleviate the various traffic flow problems caused by "too many cars"trying to use the intersection, than virtually any other thing whichcan be done. Also the left turn lane from westbound Woodland Avenue into the V.A. employee gate might best be replaced by a "jug handle" type turn which takes the few cars that need that turn onto southbound 39th Street. In fact a better solution would be a complete study of all the entrances to the V.A. Facility to see how best to get cars onto their property. By the way, the last time I used that intersection at night, albeit a few weeks ago, there were no street lights on; that would be a big help too. Sincerely, I. Milton Karabell 913 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143 cc: University City DistrictT.T.F.N.William H. Magill[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [UC] [Fwd: Checked with www.snopes and it is for real]
- Original Message - From: L a s e r B e a m ® [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'University City List ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [UC] [Fwd: Checked with www.snopes and it is for real] snopes also says mr. rogers wasn't from around here. and not only that, but snopes says the original misterrogers wasn't even from this country! http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/mrrogers.asp Re-read that, Please. Yes, he wasn't from around here, he was from Pittsburgh. Last I looked, Pittsbufgh was part of this country, although the current blue/red split may be pushing to change that. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] free annual credit reports
And be VERY wary: At least at the start of this process, each of the major entities involved is trying to get you to sign up for a per/month paid service as part of the process of obtaining the free report. In one case you actually have to subscribe, get the report, and then remember to cancel the paid service within the 30 days. Maybe by the time this gets around to our end of the country the rest of the folks out there will have beaten this silliness out of the system. - Original Message - From: Stephen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: [UC] free annual credit reports to come in sept https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/noteligible?state=Pennsylvaniadate=September%201,%202005 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Baltimore/University Ave Reconfiguration - Vet School
Just as a counterpoint. I recently took our beagle to the Vet school because she apparently has a slipped disk, and it hadn't been getting better over a period of some months. We had a lengthy consult, including discussion of the costs of doing an MRI and operating on the disk, if that's what it turned out to be. They also discussed the conservative treatment of crating the dog for 4 to 6 weeks. The bill for the exam was just over $100--I was very pleased, having expected a good bit more. I didn't have any great hopes for the conservative treatment, because the dog's level of activity had been so low that I felt we had already tried that--we did, in fact, keep her in a crate for a few days, but she really didn't like it. So--we compromised and put a gate at the bottom of the stairs. At the moment, about a month after the consultation, she's doing quite well--pretty nearly her old self. So--I felt that I was given good advice at a reasonable price--I didn't expect the advice to work given our experience over time with this injury--the first symptoms happened in late July--but, in fact, the dog is much better, and we're out only the exam fee and some $ for pain medication and prednisone (both of which had been tried before.) So--It is possible to have a good experience at the Vet school. Would we have spent the big bucks if she hadn't improved? Probably--I was certainly leaning that way. Yes it seems strange to be spending that kind of money on a pet given all the other problems in the world we could throw it at, but we don't waste a lot of $ in our lifestyle, and we figured at least these $ would be going largely to local institutions and people. So--I'm sorry you had what was clearly a bad experience, but I don't think that's the norm--Everyone I came in contact with in our visit was helpful and caring. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Baltimore/University Ave Reconfiguration - Vet School In a message dated 11/20/2004 12:02:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we are VERY lucky to have a world-class veterinary school and hospital..there are very few vet schools in the entire country I believe there are approximately 17 nationally, making it harder to get into, than human medicine. Cornell also has a very good vet school. ..If you've ever had a seriously ill pet requiring surgery, or the need for a veterinary emergency room in the middle of the night, you know what a relief it is to have state-of-the-art care readily available.to avail themselves of services we take for granted here. When you hear the billing rates, you will not be relieved or take the service for granted. A couple of years ago, I was there late one Sunday night with a daughter and one of my dogs. When the admitting physician discussed the treatment protocol, costs, and expected outcome, my daughter started crying, assuming I would put the dog to sleep. We compromised and had them stabilize the dog for the night, until I could get him to my regular vet. Talk about a cold response because I would not spend $3000 for two to three days of treatment.A hospital staffer was on the phone at 6:00 AM for me to come and get the dog, before I was charged for a 2nd day. After checking in and going to billing, I left to getmy car to pick up the dog.A nurse kicked my daughter out of the hospital building because the nurse deemed "Riot" dangerous. My daughter is outside, to the side of the entrance, crying; the dog looks like hell, with an IV hanging out of him and traces of blood dripping from his mouth.I am most appreciative they savedmy buddy'slife, until I could move him to my vet, but the human trauma wentfar beyond bad bedside manner. A touch of the old Alec Baldwin/God complex? That's Penn. Ciao, Craig
