Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
CatBus;441430 Wrote: > My guess is: Ubuntu must frequently update the kernel for non-security > reasons, OR you've got a "poisoned" kernel with some binary-only > (NVIDIA?) driver, and you need to co-upgrade your kernel every time you > upgrade your video driver (and even then, you must be updating the > driver for non-security reasons) Yes, it seems like it's usually updates to the kernel or headers that wind up wanting a reboot. They seem to come in clusters, too. I can go weeks or months without any, then wind up with three seemingly in a row. Not a big deal. -- atrocity atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
atrocity;440876 Wrote: > I can't speak for any version other than Ubuntu, but I've had to reboot > my Linux box due to updates *far* more often than I've had to reboot > Vista.Is there a GUI on this machine (Gnome/KDE)? Kernel updates need reboot but those are pretty rare in my experience, the windowing system can just be killed and restarted, leaving the server subsystem running. -- Uluen SYSTEM: MUSIC -> EARS http://www.last.fm/user/Uluen Uluen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
CatBus;441430 Wrote: > That's really pretty odd. I have no experience with Ubuntu, but > generally reboots are reserved for updates to the Linux kernel itself.I've > had a few update related reboots since installing 9.04, but I'm back up and in firefox in around 30 secs so it's no biggie. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
kdf;441417 Wrote: > Other performance comparisons could be done on general use. The old > performance monitor stuff (not sure where it's gone to lately, as even > the > logging option is missing) could compare page generation times for > things > like browsing albums or picking an artist from Browse by Genre. > > -k I strongly suspect these stats too, if generated, would indicate a similar result. Whilst I'd never explicitly tested it, using the SC web UI in linux has always seemed noticeably snappier than using same in windows (firefox on both). Trying both and experiencing the performance differences first hand made it a no-brainer for me to run SC on a linux platform. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
atrocity;440876 Wrote: > I can't speak for any version other than Ubuntu, but I've had to reboot > my Linux box due to updates *far* more often than I've had to reboot > Vista. That's really pretty odd. I have no experience with Ubuntu, but generally reboots are reserved for updates to the Linux kernel itself. Even if you install every minor security update, that's a pretty rare event (and the security updates are usually well-documented, so you actually have enough info to decide if you even really need to install it). With Vista you get 11+ reboots a year, pretty much guaranteed. My guess is: Ubuntu must frequently update the kernel for non-security reasons, OR you've got a "poisoned" kernel with some binary-only (NVIDIA?) driver, and you need to co-upgrade your kernel every time you upgrade your video driver (and even then, you must be updating the driver for non-security reasons) Either way, I think it's safe to say you *need* to reboot Linux a lot less than Windows. Whether you actually *do* or not is another matter. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Other performance comparisons could be done on general use. The old performance monitor stuff (not sure where it's gone to lately, as even the logging option is missing) could compare page generation times for things like browsing albums or picking an artist from Browse by Genre. -k ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
What I find most interesting about these scans is how fast they are. I tried rescanning my music, using SC 7.3.3. Both from my normal SC host (XP), and also with SC on a faster PC (Vista), scanning across the network. When "equalized" for library size, your scan times were roughly twice (or more) as fast as my scans. The difference may be due, in part, to drive speed. My music is on a mass market Toshiba USB 2.0 drive. I have no idea what the performance specs are for these things, but its reasonable to expect they would be slow pokes. Scan time is not a concern to me, I do a rescan almost never. Maybe others use their equipment differently. Just the same, quite interesting to see these results. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
radish;441141 Wrote: > Indeed, it is interesting. One thing I have read is that Linux often has > better network performance than Windows (at the stack level), and that > CIFS isn't always that great performance wise, which would certainly > explain the directory scan differences. Wouldn't (shouldn't!) affect the > db specific stuff though. Would be interested to see the difference > scanning from local files rather than the NAS, if only to eliminate the > network stack. > > But thanks, enlightening! There seems to be something sub-optimal about Windows' performance with CIFS or SMB, but it's hard to know for sure without doing a local library comparison like radish suggests. A couple years back I tested scanning a NAS library with Win2K vs. Ubuntu on truly identical hardware: the same dual-boot machine. Ubuntu was 40% faster then. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=193722&highlight=40%25#post193722 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd;441127 Wrote: > W2k3/NTFS, Ubuntu/EXT3. The library in question resides on a NAS > connected via gigabit ethernet. I presume the NAS' filesystem is EXT3 > also. From Ubuntu network connectivity is via NFS and W2K3 uses CIFS. > What I find insteresting is that the Ubuntu stats are better aross the > board. Indeed, it is interesting. One thing I have read is that Linux often has better network performance than Windows (at the stack level), and that CIFS isn't always that great performance wise, which would certainly explain the directory scan differences. Wouldn't (shouldn't!) affect the db specific stuff though. Would be interested to see the difference scanning from local files rather than the NAS, if only to eliminate the network stack. But thanks, enlightening! -- radish http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
radish;441121 Wrote: > I'm assuming this is on identical hardware? If so, then that's very > interesting :) What's the filesystem? W2k3/NTFS, Ubuntu/EXT3. The library in question resides on a NAS connected via gigabit ethernet. I presume the NAS' filesystem is EXT3 also. From Ubuntu network connectivity is via NFS and W2K3 uses CIFS. What I find insteresting is that the Ubuntu stats are better aross the board. The only differences between the two machines is that the W2k3 box enjoys 4GB RAM whereas the Ubuntu box only has two. Both have the same ASUS chipset, HDD (SAMSUNG SP2504C) and CPU: iQ6600 @ 2.40GHz -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd;440775 Wrote: > To put an end to the naysayers' debate I ran a clear and rescan on a > subset of my library using the same release of SC on Windows Server 2003 > and Ubuntu 9.04 32 bit (my Desktop OS). To be clear, the W2k3 install > doesn't have any firewall, AV or like software installed - it's > basically a bare bones w2k3 install. > > The attached screendumps speak for themselves...the linux install scans > the same library in 69.18% of the time it takes the w2k3 install to do > the same. I'm assuming this is on identical hardware? If so, then that's very interesting :) What's the filesystem? -- radish http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
I have a comment regarding the original poster's first question. He mentions that the main area where he sees performance issues is when using the web interface. Which leads me to ask the obvious question - what browser are you using? Internet Explorer, by any chance? The Squeezecenter web interface seems stuffed to the gills with Javascript, and Internet Explorer has possibly the worst Javascript engine on the planet. It is noticably slower than Firefox when rendering the pages served by SqueezeCenter. (Another browser you might try is Google Chrome - I personally don't like its look & feel, but it claims to have a vey fast Javascript engine). -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
bernt;440765 Wrote: > No rebooting after update. I can't speak for any version other than Ubuntu, but I've had to reboot my Linux box due to updates *far* more often than I've had to reboot Vista. Which is fine with me--when Ubuntu reboots, everything just works. When Vista reboots, I have to manually restart a bunch of stuff because the task scheduler has never worked as advertised for me. bernt;440765 Wrote: > Fast boot. I find it about the same since Ubuntu 9.04. It used to be really fast for me, but slowed WYY down a few releases ago and only with 9.04 seemed to perk back up. Again, no big deal--if I reboot it everything is just running once it comes back up, so I can start it and walk away. bernt;440765 Wrote: > Runs on low powered PC. That's for sure! But at the prices that are out there now, I'm sure tempted to get a fancier one just to try it. :) -- atrocity atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
I'm a Windows guy. I spend most of my computer time on a WinXP box that I'll probably upgrade to Windows 7 later this year. The best tools for ripping (EAC & dBpoweramp) & music management (MediaMonkey), IMO, are available only for Windows. But in the spirit of the best tool for the job, I also think that for many of us, Linux is the best OS, overall, for a music server. For the past 3 years, I've been running SC on an Ubuntu box, a Dell 4600 built at the beginning of 2004, that I inherited after the deaths of my parents. It came into my hands with WinXP installed on it. I didn't need another Windows PC at the time, so I stashed it in my basement. Then I saw an ad for Squeezebox & decided that this was what I needed for my music. At first, I thought I might buy a Mac mini & use that as my server. Then I remembered the Dell. Seeing that Slimserver (as it was called then) would run under Linux, I figured that I'd give that a shot. Through this forum, I heard about Ubuntu, which was up to 5.10 at that time, installed it on the Dell & somehow got Slimserver to run. After that, things went fairly smoothly. (When they didn't, I found helpful answers here.) Now I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 on the Dell, to which I've added more RAM. I also replaced the original 80 GB HD with a 500 gigger. What I really like about Ubuntu is not having to spend time or money on AV or security software. (I'm already paying subscription fees for 2 Windows machines.) I also appreciate the ease of maintenance. Although my Ubuntu installation isn't headless, I rarely use the GUI. Instead, I just log on from my Windows box via PuTTY a couple of times a week for a quick apt-get upgrade. That's it. As you say, even cheap PCs are more than powerful enough these days to run SC under Windows. But I find that it's easier & cheaper to serve up my music from a Linux box. Goodsounds;440566 Wrote: > > I'd venture to speculate two truths - > > 1. The VAST majority of SB owners run SC on windows machines without > ever having a performance or reliability issue or penalty for doing so > > 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums, and their > voices could lead one to think that linux has other than a marginal and > numerically irrelevant home PC presence. But all the stats I've seen > indicate that linux use is not growing outside of server rooms, and that > trend has been constant over the years. -- jimbres jimbres's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
To put an end to the naysayers' debate I ran a clear and rescan on a subset of my library using the same release of SC on Windows Server 2003 and Ubuntu 9.04 32 bit (my Desktop OS). To be clear, the W2k3 install doesn't have any firewall, AV or like software installed - it's basically a bare bones w2k3 install. The attached screendumps speak for themselves. +---+ |Filename: Consolidated results.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7808| +---+ -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
To put an end to the naysayers' debate I ran a clear and rescan on a subset of my library using the same release of SC on Windows Server 2003 and Ubuntu 9.04 32 bit (my Desktop OS). To be clear, the W2k3 install doesn't have any firewall, AV or like software installed - it's basically a bare bones w2k3 install. You will note that I have attached the entire W2k3 screendump so that it's plain for all to see there are no AV's, firewalls etc running. The attached screendumps speak for themselves. +---+ |Filename: Windows-SC-settings.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7803| +---+ -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
To put an end to the needless debate I ran a clear and rescan on a subset of my library using the same release of SC on Windows Server 2003 and Ubuntu 9.04 32 bit (my Desktop OS). To be clear, the W2k3 box doesn't have any firewall, AV or like software installed - it's basically a bare bones w2k3 install. You will note that I have attached the entire W2k3 screendump so that it's plain for all to see there are no AV's, firewalls etc running. The attached screendumps speak for themselves. +---+ |Filename: Windows-SC-P-R.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7797| +---+ -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
There is one big advantage with Linux, it's how it handles the memory. It never use a swap file unless it runs out of memory and it has never happend on my machine with 512MB ram. Windows always use a swap file no matter how much memory it has. My recommendation is the next time you rebuild your server go for Linux. Other advantages is Fast and reliable. No rebooting after update. Fast boot. No stupid licenses. A lot of fun stuff like mp3fs. Runs on low powered PC. Not even the sky is the limit and so on jadajada. Yeah, you got the picture. Other than SC I run, SAMBA (Windows shares), SqueezeSlave (the server is a SB to), Deluge (torrent client with webGUI) and Hamachi (you can easy acces the server from anywhere in a secure way). -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - SC 7.3.3 - Ubuntu Server 8.04 bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
milosz wrote: > I just want objective information. I already have a system running on > XP with 3 TB of FLAC files. I don't have endless amounts of time to > fiddle with machines, there's other stuff to do, so I was trying to find > objective information to answer a question for myself: "would it be > worthwhile to re-do my server in Lunx?" Probably, as it will take a half hour or so, and you can see for yourself. No need to do a destructive install, just set it up to dual boot and see. > poster that Squeezecenter XP vs. Linux benchmarks exist. I couldn't > locate any, and so then people started getting pissed off that I even > asked. I am not pissed off an you, sorry if you thought that. But in fact, you are searching for an answer that is easier for you to answer than it is for you to find in the forums. Benchmarking is hard, very hard. > I get a sense that with a fairly fast machine like the 4-core 2 gHz > that I am using differences would be somewhere between "trivial" and > "noticeable," but not really enough to justify the work it would take. I ran SlimServer (the earlier version of SqueezeCenter) on a Pentium-3 @ 500 mhz with one GB of ram. Ran it for years. It worked fine. That was using Mandriva, a distro that I would not recommend, but that others use happily. That machine was ancient when I put the SD software on it, it had been sitting unused for at least a year. It ran for many more years, usually untouched by human hand. At one point, it had been up and running for 14 or 15 months, continuous. But the machine was in my basement, and over time the CPU fan got clogged with dust bunnies. The CPU burned out. I replaced it with another machine that I had laying in the basement. This one was more current, I built it for my kid as she went to college. She has graduates and been working for a couple of years. So it is at least six years old. When I built it, it was a decent machine, OK fast for the time, but not a gamer special, single CPU AMD of about 3000 rating. I don't know what the real clock speed is, never cared. That machine now has 3 big disks and all my music. Its plenty fast for feeding my music, I have four, or five SqueezeBoxen of various flavors, including a Duet, Boom, and Transporter. > OS would play a part at all! I was just wondering if some part of the > server is really not well written for XP in terms of performance and so > switching to Linux would offer make the APPLICATION - NOT the OS!!- run > a lot faster. Not the application at all. The code, which is open source and open for you to look at, it written in Perl, and uses MySql as the backend database. There is nothing good or bad for XP, Vista or Win7 in it. Its the same code, exactly, for Windows, Mac and all Unix flavors. There are folks on the developers list who have been arguing that MySql is slow, too slow for the benefit that it brings. But I don't follow those discussions in detail, because its fast enough for me and my devices. After developing for Windows since Windows/386 2.11 and various Unix systems, each since the 1980s, I can say that the system, or OS as you want to say, is generally faster/more responsive with a Unix/Linux base than with Windows. And this generally results in applications that are faster on Unix/Linux as well. But this is not true in all cases, all applications, and all configurations. The OS plays a huge part in this. And if you are running Windows with commercial malware programs (Norton, etc.) then the difference is much more obvious, as the anti-malware has a lot of impact on MySql's file access -- unless you tweak the settings to disable the anti-malware for all the applicable stuff. Traditionally, people pick the application that they want, and pick the OS that supports it. That is why graphics professionals have used Mac's for decades, the fancy applications are all OS-X. As much, most folks just buy a computer with Windows, and run it. But if you have a four core CPU and don't like the performance, I'm not sure that I can help, as my whole system is less powerful than a single one of the four cores you have. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Actually I *think* perl the scripting launguage used to code SqueezeCenter is a more linux native thing and runs better there. How about the databases MySQL and Sqlite ? -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
I just want objective information. I already have a system running on XP with 3 TB of FLAC files. I don't have endless amounts of time to fiddle with machines, there's other stuff to do, so I was trying to find objective information to answer a question for myself: "would it be worthwhile to re-do my server in Lunx?" The thing I am looking for is faster searches, etc, and I was looking for info that I could use to answer that question for myself. I learned that most people expected it would be "faster" but it order to answer that question for myself I need to attemp to answer "how MUCH faster" - knowing ahead of time that no EXACT answer is possible but certainly benchmarks would have given me a "feel" for it. I was told by one poster that Squeezecenter XP vs. Linux benchmarks exist. I couldn't locate any, and so then people started getting pissed off that I even asked. I get a sense that with a fairly fast machine like the 4-core 2 gHz that I am using differences would be somewhere between "trivial" and "noticeable," but not really enough to justify the work it would take. My thinking was that if some part of the server / indexer / database was really well optimized for Linux and ran poorly on XP then it would make sense. I wasn't really even thinking that the performance of the OS would play a part at all! I was just wondering if some part of the server is really not well written for XP in terms of performance and so switching to Linux would offer make the APPLICATION - NOT the OS!!- run a lot faster. You guys really need to lighten up a little. -- milosz milosz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
pfarrell;440719 Wrote: > milosz wrote: > > I'll keep looking. > > Why? What do you expect to find? Why does it matter? > > Which ever is faster is only going to be somewhat faster. Since Linux > is > free, it doesn't cost anything but time to try it and see if you think > > its faster. What the rest of the world things is irrelevant. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Pat has a good point here. Grab an old PC, load a copy of VortexBox on it, and 15 minutes you will be able to test whether the SC user interface is faster on Windows or Linux. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover artÂ… All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
agillis;440604 Wrote: > In many internet forums a comment like this would start a flame war > between linux and windows zelots. But most users in this forum are not > into flame wars so I don't think that will happen here. > > I have been in technology for years and have found that every operating > system has advantages and disadvantages. There is no one perfect OS. I > use many different OSes. Most of the Windows users you are taking about > are probably running Linux on their router and they don't even know it! > > For a high powered quad core machine like the original poster has I > don't think the OS makes much of a difference. Linux is really useful on > a lower power system like an embedded Atom box with only 1GB of RAM. In > this case you can run Linux without a GUI giving it a distinct advantage > over Windows. > > Of cource Windows has the advantage of an easy to use GUI that many > people are familiar with. This is useful when resolving problems. These are balanced thoughts. As is clear from the original poster's subsequent comments, he/she is looking for information rather than personal biases, I tried to address that. Unfortunately some people become uncomfortable and intolerant when others' opinions differ from their own. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
milosz wrote: > I'll keep looking. Why? What do you expect to find? Why does it matter? Which ever is faster is only going to be somewhat faster. Since Linux is free, it doesn't cost anything but time to try it and see if you think its faster. What the rest of the world things is irrelevant. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
A search using the terms linux and benchmark did not produce any useful results. A search usinglinux search performance or linux search speed did not produce any useful results. A search using linux performance provided a lot of "it's generally agreed that Linux is better / faster / etc" but no becnhmarks. I'll keep looking. -- milosz milosz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
milosz wrote: > I looked at the FAQ and there was nothing there that addressed this. > Searching the fora, I couldn't find anything specific to query speed or > HTTP server speed under Linux either. I would not expect a definitive answer. And its not clear that any answer is generally true in all cases. Not clear to me what you are looking for. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
I looked at the FAQ and there was nothing there that addressed this. Searching the fora, I couldn't find anything specific to query speed or HTTP server speed under Linux either. There's lots of discussions RE: Linux on various topics but I had no luck finding XP vs LINUX performance metrics. Can you point me to a specifi post? Maybe it should be made into a Sticky? -- milosz milosz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd wrote:
> Add him ("Goodsounds") to your
> ignore list, the quality of discussion is immediately elevated.
Done.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
pfarrell;440614 Wrote: > Goodsounds wrote: > > 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums > > God, you are a blowhard. > > This is the Unix section. Anyone with half a brain would expect that > nearly everyone in the Unix section is a user of, or interested in, > Unix/Linux/BSDPat, nothing you say is going to make this guy reevaluate any > aspect of his being. I've worked with one of his ilk before, totally oblivious to how socially inept they are and somehow believe they're the most popular kid in school and that their opinions are valued, when in fact most people can't stand them nor care for their opinions. Add him to your ignore list, the quality of discussion is immediately elevated. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
radish wrote: > In general (and this is an area I do know a little about!) performance > on a non-memory starved machine will be the same between 32-bit and > 64-bit OS installs (as largely backed up by those links). That has been my experience as well, sometimes the 32 bit wins, as the working set of the memory image is smaller (half the size). 64 bit wins when you have lots of memory and can use it rather than touching the disk. With enough memory, you can load a whole database (say MySql as used by SqueezeCenter) into memory. That is way fast. Since the SC is usually a very light load (except scanning) I would not expect a difference. Its interesting how the definition of "lots of memory" changes. I refused to use a PC until it could multi-task, which realistically meant 2MB for Windows 2.11. The first PC I bought for my home in 1990, had 5MB and all my friends asked "what in the world are you gonna do with all that memory?" By 1992, beta testing NT, you had to have 32MB to run it. The latest Intel CPU chips want three sets of physical memory, and the sweet spot is 6GB in three sticks of 2GB each. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
radish;440611 Wrote: > In general (and this is an area I do know a little about!)... I know a loaded > question when I see one :-) -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Goodsounds wrote: > 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums God, you are a blowhard. This is the Unix section. Anyone with half a brain would expect that nearly everyone in the Unix section is a user of, or interested in, Unix/Linux/BSD -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd;440537 Wrote: > Don't have a "reference" other than my personal experience trying both > 32 bit and 64 bit. Likely a result of the OS itself performing better > rather than SC behaving any differently. > > http://64-bit-computers.com/linux-ubuntu-610-64-bit-vs-32-bit-benchmark-test.html > http://forums.amd.com/devblog/blogpost.cfm?threadid=93648&catid=317 In general (and this is an area I do know a little about!) performance on a non-memory starved machine will be the same between 32-bit and 64-bit OS installs (as largely backed up by those links). On the plus side you're getting a slight benefit with 64-bit due to not running the compat layer, on the negative side you're reducing cache efficiency and hitting memory harder. Having said that, tasks like media encoding (see the benchmarks in your links) will show more interesting differences as they stress very specific areas of performance (for example high precision float math is MUCH faster on 64-bit). IMHO (YMMV) for general computing (which includes running SC) there's really no difference unless you want >3GB RAM. -- radish http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Goodsounds;440566 Wrote: > > > I'd venture to speculate two truths - > > 1. The VAST majority of SB owners run SC on windows machines without > ever having a performance or reliability issue or penalty for doing so > > 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums, and their > voices could lead one to think that linux has other than a marginal and > numerically irrelevant home PC presence. But all the stats I've seen > indicate that linux use is not growing outside of server rooms, and that > trend has been constant over the years. In many internet forums a comment like this would start a flame war between linux and windows zelots. But most users in this forum are not into flame wars so I don't think that will happen here. I have been in technology for years and have found that every operating system has advantages and disadvantages. There is no one perfect OS. I use many different OSes. Most of the Windows users you are taking about are probably running Linux on their router and they don't even know it! For a high powered quad core machine like the original poster has I don't think the OS makes much of a difference. Linux is really useful on a lower power system like an embedded Atom box with only 1GB of RAM. In this case you can run Linux without a GUI giving it a distinct advantage over Windows. Of cource Windows has the advantage of an easy to use GUI that many people are familiar with. This is useful when resolving problems. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover artÂ… All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Goodsounds;440566 Wrote: > Maggior has a point but overstates the case a bit. I think most "quasi > capable" windows users disable automatic updates, because it can be > annoying and sometimes disruptive. It's not a lot of work, maybe 3 mouse > clicks does it. AV scanning can be scheduled for off times. I've never > found mine disrupts SC running in any way. > > As for scanning, I don't remember seeing any benchmarking. But even if > it's true, I'd say "who cares", scanning can be done overnight or when > one is away. And for many, performing a full scan is a once in a > lifetime activity. > > For the original poster, I think some actions require a bit more time > on any machine. Your hardware is more than up to the task; in fact, you > could probably make do with a much less capable machine and find little > performance difference. With any operating system. > > I'd venture to speculate two truths - > > 1. The VAST majority of SB owners run SC on windows machines without > ever having a performance or reliability issue or penalty for doing so > > 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums, and their > voices could lead one to think that linux has other than a marginal and > numerically irrelevant home PC presence. But all the stats I've seen > indicate that linux use is not growing outside of server rooms, and that > trend has been constant over the years.I've no desire to enter into a battle > of wits with an unarmed man, hence you have been added to my ignore list. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Goodsounds;440566 Wrote: > I'd venture to speculate two truths - > > 1. The VAST majority of SB owners run SC on windows machines without > ever having a performance or reliability issue or penalty for doing so > > 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums, and their > voices could lead one to think that linux has other than a marginal and > numerically irrelevant home PC presence. But all the stats I've seen > indicate that linux use is not growing outside of server rooms, and that > trend has been constant over the years. My experience, which I think is worth every penny that you paid for it: When I started out, I was running SqueezeCenter on a $1000 Windows XP machine with a gig of RAM. I no longer remember the specs, but it was as powerful as I needed and I never would have replaced it if the onboard video card didn't start causing spontaneous reboots. Anyway, that machine was running SqueezeCenter, Firefly (for a since-dead Roku), a web server and an e-mail server. In addition, it was my normal web-browsing and mail-reading and all-around general-purpose computer. What I found was that SqueezeCenter would run OK most of the time...then I'd hit a point where the music would stutter and absolutely nothing but a reboot would ever fix it. Then Fry's briefly sold a very cheap $149 desktop that was pretty non-powerful and came with Linspire. I bought one and replaced Linspire with Ubuntu. I transferred over all the server functions except mail, so the cruddy little underpowered machine was running SqueezeCenter, Firefly and Apache. It's been incredibly stable...though, to be fair, because it's such an underpowered machine and generally just used as a server, I don't really try to do much day-to-day stuff with it. I have been able on at least two different occasions to overload it to the point where the music would stutter, but unlike with Windows, all I had to do was stop taxing it and everything smoothed out again. Having said all that, I do usually find the web interface to be slow. I don't know how much of that is just inherent to SqueezeCenter and how much is due to the dinky computer. Either way, it's a minor complaint. -- atrocity atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd;440549 Wrote: > if you do a little searching you'll find that it has indeed been > benchmarked and linux significantly outperforms xp when doing things > such as scanning one's library. Maggior has a point but overstates the case a bit. I think most "quasi capable" windows users disable automatic updates, because it can be annoying and sometimes disruptive. It's not a lot of work, maybe 3 mouse clicks does it. AV scanning can be scheduled for off times. I've never found mine disrupts SC running in any way. As for scanning, I don't remember seeing any benchmarking. But even if it's true, I'd say "who cares", scanning can be done overnight or when one is away. And for many, performing a full scan is a once in a lifetime activity. For the original poster, I think some actions require a bit more time on any machine. Your hardware is more than up to the task; in fact, you could probably make do with a much less capable machine and find little performance difference. With any operating system. I'd venture to speculate two truths - 1. The VAST majority of SB owners run SC on windows machines without ever having a performance or reliability issue or penalty for doing so 2. Linux users are very overrepresented in these forums, and their voices could lead one to think that linux has other than a marginal and numerically irrelevant home PC presence. But all the stats I've seen indicate that linux use is not growing outside of server rooms, and that trend has been constant over the years. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Goodsounds;440541 Wrote: > I'm not sure this comment is "referenceable" or has broad agreement > either. SC is pretty undemanding of the hardware and environment it runs > on. > > I thought the concensus was that it ran quite well on all operating > systems. if you do a little searching you'll find that it has indeed been benchmarked and linux significantly outperforms xp when doing things such as scanning one's library. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Goodsounds;440541 Wrote: > I'm not sure this comment is "referenceable" or has broad agreement > either. SC is pretty undemanding of the hardware and environment it runs > on. > > I thought the concensus was that it ran quite well on all operating > systems. What I've found is that SC will run more predictably and evenly on Linux than XP. XP requires some work to configure it to disable services that will kick in and interfer with SC operation - AV scans, automatic updates, etc. XP has everything enabled and you have to work to disable it. Linux takes the other approach and disables everything (servers, daemons, etc.) and you enable only what you want/need. This is what drove me to set up a Linux server rather than run SC on an XP machine. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,462 songs, 2,276 albums, 434 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd;440449 Wrote: > ... The short answer is yes, SC will perform faster under Linux... I'm not sure this comment is "referenceable" or has broad agreement either. SC is pretty undemanding of the hardware and environment it runs on. I thought the concensus was that it ran quite well on all operating systems. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
You will be underutilizing this machine if you load up Ubuntu and use it only as a server. As you've already noticed yourself, running SC will barely put a load on the CPU. To run dbpoweramp on the machine once you load Ubuntu, you will have to run Wine (a Linux Windows emulator). I recall reading that this has been made to work. You might be better off getting a cheap PC with 1GB of RAM and a P4 or something, putting a good amount of disc storage in it (1 TB drives are cheap these days), and loading Ubuntu on it. Then you could continue to use your super 4 Core machine to perform zippy transcodes as needed. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,462 songs, 2,276 albums, 434 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
radish;440536 Wrote: > Really...why? Any chance you could point me to a reference?Don't have a > "reference" other than my personal experience trying both 32 bit and 64 bit. Likely a result of the OS itself performing better rather than SC behaving any differently. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
egd;440449 Wrote: > even more so if you use a 64bit flavour. Really...why? Any chance you could point me to a reference? -- radish http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Thank you, sounds fine. Next time my windows quits working I'll give Ubuntu a try. -- Aurumer Aurumer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
Yes, you can copy the prefs file from the Windows installation to the Linux installation, so long as you know where to find and put it. After installing SC as described above in Ubuntu you can see where SC's files have been installed via the Synaptic package manager. You will have to edit the path to your library in your prefs file because the path will differ. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
By the way... Ist there any possibility to transfer the server prefs form a Windows XP to a linux machine? -- Aurumer Aurumer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
This topic has been addressed many times in the past. The short answer is yes, SC will perform faster under Linux, and even more so if you use a 64bit flavour. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
[SlimDevices: Unix] Advantages of Linux over XP?
I have SqueezeCenter running on a dedicated 32 bit XP machine right now, which has a 4-core Intel CoreDuo CPU at 2 gHz with 2 GB of RAM. (I got the quad core cheap and thought it would be ideal for this use, but there's hardly EVER any real lod on the CPU. The only time that CPU really seemed helpful was when I used DBPowerAmp Converter to go from Apple Lossless to FLAC for some files that someone gave me, having 4 cores with DBPowerAmp Converter makes it really zip along Running my Squeezeboxes seems to work very well, but sometimes I pull up the SqueezeCenter HTML GUI on a PC and use it for searching etc. Sometimes it seems pretty slow. I see "waiting for " quite a lot. I am not sure if it's database query speed or HTTP compositing and serving that is slow, but anyway I wonder if running on Linux would make the HTTP GUI work faster??? I'd probably use Ubuntu, I have passing familiarity with that. -- milosz milosz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65585 ___ unix mailing list unix@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/unix
