Re: Matchtext script results
On 11/30/06 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is what surprised me -- that no tinkering with arrays, or matchtext, or anything else is faster than the most straightforward Revolution syntax. At least that's true for your sample data. If the word list were very long, for example, some other technique(s) would win the contest. Thanks for publishing your findings. -- Dick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
get shell(uuidgen) This works also with Windows XP (it's not in Win98)- but note that in OS X, the letters in the hexadecimals are uppercase, whereas in Windows they're lowercase. I think you picked up this tool from installing Visual Studio; it's not included in the stock Windows XP, at least it does not seem available in my copy. Even if there were such a tool, I'd really like to see how this would be done in xTalk. What does the word bona-fide mean in this context? I know what the dictionary meaning is. Bona-fide in this context means strictly following the RFC guidelines for generating a GUID. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Matchtext script results
Jeez! Did the office lights dim and flicker when you ran the regex version? :-0 Mark Smith -- native syntax: 18 ticks. Found 2 matches Mark Smith -- filter: 18 ticks. Found 2 matches Mark Smith -- array: 15 ticks. Found 2 matches Dick Kriesel -- array: 8 ticks. Found 1 match John Craig -- regex: 242 ticks. Found 2 matches Dick Kriesel -- array: 8 ticks. Found 2 matches Brian Yennie -- arrays: 7 ticks; found 2 matches Jim Ault -- filter: 5 ticks; found 5 matches (strings, not words) Ken Ray -- regex: 15 ticks (first run),8 ticks (subsequent runs); found 2 matches Jacque Gay -- original Rev script: 4 ticks. Found 2 matches ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box appears
put the scaledScore[memoryforstories] of field data1 into msg Has got me before now! They can be so hard to find when you are writing lots of stuff to the message box for debugging, and then forget to delete just one of them! This is especially true in a library stack, I had a rouge put xxx in a library that took me ages to track down, I eventually found it in a in function a few levels away from the main API Call! I think an option that turned off the put xxx shortcut would be a good idea! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Jacque, I'll agree with the first comparison, but have to disagree with the second. MetaCard and Revolution are identical in every respect except for the stacks that represent how the user interacts with the engine. Now I'm confused. I thought MetaCard didn't have all the gui niceties that RR does, and was more of a text engine. So since I apparently have no idea how we got where we are, can you expand a bit more on what MetaCard was? Was this just a simple case of RR saying Hey, this is great, but we can make it better? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revQueryDatabase / revCurrentRecord
Holá everybody As a new member of the RunRev users I try to learn for buildng up a running Aplication. I´m using the actual Studio-version Since 3 weeks now I try to find out, how to get a field from a MySQL-Database into a variable without any success. Now I ask anybody of you to give me a helpfull hand. What I do is: Put rev_dbconnect (mySQL, localhost, mytest_DB, root,) into DB_ID put revQueryDatabase (DB_ID, SELECT * from Table_1 where Number = 2) into var_1 ## Number is the first Field in the Table Table_1 which is ok Put revCurrentRecord (var_1) into var_2 ## Var_2 is always 0 (Zero) doesn´t matter which Number I select. Why??? Now I think next would be: put field_2 into Variable_1 ## field_2 is a field in the DB But that does not work. Please, for you it´s just a moment for me sonce now hours and days to solve this problem Thank you in advanced Horst Peters ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box appears
Me too... Thinking aloud, as it were, would a handler like this work? on checkScript pScript repeat for each line L in pScript add 1 to lineCount if put is in L AND into is not in L then put lineCount comma after possibleProblems end repeat put possibleProblems end checkScript I guess we'd need to consider into msg and into message etc... as well as before, after and so on... If we had a completely reliable version, we could even have it comment out those lines. Or has anyone already done this? Mark On 1 Dec 2006, at 11:36, Dave wrote: put the scaledScore[memoryforstories] of field data1 into msg Has got me before now! They can be so hard to find when you are writing lots of stuff to the message box for debugging, and then forget to delete just one of them! This is especially true in a library stack, I had a rouge put xxx in a library that took me ages to track down, I eventually found it in a in function a few levels away from the main API Call! I think an option that turned off the put xxx shortcut would be a good idea! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
On 1 Dec 2006, at 12:29, Mikey wrote: Now I'm confused. I thought MetaCard didn't have all the gui niceties that RR does, and was more of a text engine. So since I apparently have no idea how we got where we are, can you expand a bit more on what MetaCard was? Was this just a simple case of RR saying Hey, this is great, but we can make it better? The Revolution engine is the Metacard engine...Revolution was originally just an alternative IDE, but along the way RunRev actually aquired the engine itself. I don't know the exact status of Metacard as a product now. best, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] PingPop - made with 3rd party tools
I just posted a freeware game called PingPop. (A proof-of-concept that got out of hand.) What just struck me was the number of 3rd party Made-With-Rev tools that I used while creating it. The scripting makes heavy use of Malte Brill's ArcadeEngine2. It was edited using Jerry Daniels' Galaxy with assistance from several Chipp Walters plug-ins. The audio comes from Scott Rossi's tm|audio collection. And the Windows installer is created with InstallGadget by Monte Goulding. Without this list I would probably have been unaware of these great tools. And if you need to waste a few minutes, check out the game. http:// elementarysoftware.com/pingpop -Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust !) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Errorlib 1.0.1
Dear Revolution users, An ErrorLib user reported a problem with ErrorLib, which we have fixed. We have also added a new feature. ErrorLib is a shareware library which gives you control of execution errors. With ErrorLib, you decide whether errors are reported and how they are reported. Password protected stacks no longer hamper bug reports from your clients and you will get all error information Revolution can possibly provide. With errorLib, you have a simple light-weight set of scripts that you can include with your standalones and use in your IDE. The execution error dialog will no longer lock up your IDE if you use errorLib instead. You can easily parse error information and display the error, using either the built-in routines of errorLib or your own custom error dialog. New in this version: - a problem causing the error log files to be useless has been fixed - the log file now also includes information about platform and machine - errors were sometimes parsed as “theParsedData” but are now parsed correctly You can download ErrorLib from the Developers section of the Economy- x-Talk homepage. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Problem creating set of variables
hi all, I submit you a strange problem I'm encountering. I want to create local variables with the following script: repeat with x = 1 to 3 put empty into (Myvar x) end repeat Surprisingly, this does not work. In fact it opens the Error window which indicates: TypeChunck: bad destination Object button lineput empty into (Myvar x) hint( Has someone an idea of what is happening? Thank, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problem creating set of variables
Hi Thierry, I also would expect that to work, and it has bitten me sometimes already. However, to code around it use a do statement: repeat with x=1 to 3 do put empty into myvarx end repeat Hope that helps, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
USB
What's the final word on addressing USB devices in Rev? Searching the archives I found that some posts say it's possible to use open driver to address USB devices, others say only if the device is going through a hardware serial converter. Can we access USB devices in Rev? If not, anyone heard an ETA for when we might? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: Even if there were such a tool, I'd really like to see how this would be done in xTalk. I would love to see this in Transcript too. I wasn't aware of it until you posted the link but this would be very useful. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB
I just got an Asante router (24 port all gigabit layer 2, 3, 4 switch!) which has an interesting new feature. In addition to the regular DB9 serial port they have a USB port that they say can be used as the console port. When i tried using it with ZTerm on the Mac (or HyperTerminal in Windows) it didn't recognize the port so I asked them to tell me how to make it work. They sent me what looks like a generic USB driver and instructions on how to make it work on the Mac. I installed it but the port still didn't come up but I think something else was going on on my Mac that made it not work. I have not had time to work on it further. What was supposed to happen was ZTerm would simply recognize the port and be able to select it. If that is the case then this might be very good solution for us as we could use USB without having any additional hardware other than a USB cable (i.e. no USB to Serial adapter). I don't have the instructions for Windows yet but I don't believe Asante created the driver so perhaps someone has come up with a generic driver that we could use. I'll follow up when I get more information. Bill Vlahos On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What's the final word on addressing USB devices in Rev? Searching the archives I found that some posts say it's possible to use open driver to address USB devices, others say only if the device is going through a hardware serial converter. Can we access USB devices in Rev? If not, anyone heard an ETA for when we might? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box appears
Hi, Well, I was thinking leave the explicit forms as they are as at least you can do a global find on msg or messagebox, but you can't search for the shorthand version without hitting every put in the whole stack(s). All the Best Dave On 1 Dec 2006, at 12:52, Mark Smith wrote: Me too... Thinking aloud, as it were, would a handler like this work? on checkScript pScript repeat for each line L in pScript add 1 to lineCount if put is in L AND into is not in L then put lineCount comma after possibleProblems end repeat put possibleProblems end checkScript I guess we'd need to consider into msg and into message etc... as well as before, after and so on... If we had a completely reliable version, we could even have it comment out those lines. Or has anyone already done this? Mark On 1 Dec 2006, at 11:36, Dave wrote: put the scaledScore[memoryforstories] of field data1 into msg Has got me before now! They can be so hard to find when you are writing lots of stuff to the message box for debugging, and then forget to delete just one of them! This is especially true in a library stack, I had a rouge put xxx in a library that took me ages to track down, I eventually found it in a in function a few levels away from the main API Call! I think an option that turned off the put xxx shortcut would be a good idea! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Now I'm confused. I thought MetaCard didn't have all the gui niceties that RR does, and was more of a text engine. So since I apparently have no idea how we got where we are, can you expand a bit more on what MetaCard was? Was this just a simple case of RR saying Hey, this is great, but we can make it better? The Revolution engine is the Metacard engine...Revolution was originally just an alternative IDE, but along the way RunRev actually aquired the engine itself. I don't know the exact status of Metacard as a product now. MetaCard is no longer a product. The IDE from the original MetaCard (i.e. pre-acquisition by RunRev) plus some minor enhancements/bug fixes is being maintained as open-source at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE So basically the Metacard engine stopped being the MetaCard engine when the transfer to RunRev took place and became the Revolution Engine. However, the Revolution engine now powers several IDEs - the Revolution IDE (plain), the Revolution IDE with Galaxy enhancements, and the MetaCard IDE. Clear as mud? ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
Mikey- Thursday, November 30, 2006, 1:04:13 PM, you wrote: Mark, You'll second what - my comment or the one I'm responding to (oh crap - am I wrong again?) g Er... I was agreeing with your comment. Morfik's quite an impressive tool. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On 12/1/06 2:41 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: get shell(uuidgen) This works also with Windows XP (it's not in Win98)- but note that in OS X, the letters in the hexadecimals are uppercase, whereas in Windows they're lowercase. I think you picked up this tool from installing Visual Studio; it's not included in the stock Windows XP, at least it does not seem available in my copy. Ah - makes sense. I did some research, and it looks like the UUIDGEN tool is part of the Microsoft Win32 SDK, which is part of the VS install. However it seems to run on all platforms, and unless there is a licensing issue with including it with your app to run, you can always dump it out to disk and run it... Even if there were such a tool, I'd really like to see how this would be done in xTalk. Me too... generating the hex codes is easy; I get lost in the low bit/high bit stuff of the time stamp. Not sure what that means/how to get it from our current time function... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
Its not working with Safari at all and the $5000 price tag was all I had to see this wasn't for me. Also, as expected, the standalones are pc-only. In this day and age it's silly for a company to pretend the mac user base doesn't exist.. I mean their product should at least create SITES that Safari can render! BTW, Talking with Chris today, he mentioned he checked a Morfik a bit, and wants to look at it further. He compared it to a web-based version of FileMaker or Access. He said it creates standalone .exe's and ALSO uploads files to existing web servers as well. He thought it was pretty interesting and he's not very easily impressed. I imagine he'll take the free version for a spin and I'll hear more about it. -Chipp -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
Bill- Thursday, November 30, 2006, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: Does any have handy, or would be interested in writing, a bona-fide GUID generator? http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4122.txt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_Unique_Identifier It's probably simpler than I can comprehend from all the programmer-talk in those pages. I doubt the Transcript code would be much simpler than the C# g: System.Guid desiredGuid = System.Guid.NewGuid(); but I second Dar's concern over the bona-fide qualifier. Microsoft's implementation has been criticized as being unsecure - the MAC id can still be identified from the guid, and therefore documents can be trace to their owners - that's how the writer of the Melissa virus was found. The standard way of generating a guid involves the MAC id and a time string - are you looking for something more secure than that? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
Hi All, Does anyone know how I could pass a value back to RunRev from an AppleScript that is being run via the do myAppleScript as AppleScript command? I can pass back a return value, but this stops the script from running, I would like to pass something back but have the script continue to run. Thanks in Advance All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
Bill- Thursday, November 30, 2006, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: I love this comment from the rfc: /* NT keeps time in FILETIME format which is 100ns ticks since Jan 1, 1601. UUIDs use time in 100ns ticks since Oct 15, 1582. The difference is 17 Days in Oct + 30 (Nov) + 31 (Dec) + 18 years and 5 leap days. */ Gotta love those Microsoft standards, dontcha? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
I think the spec has a 'type 4' which uses a pseudo-random number instead of the MAC address, and the UUIDs generated here (mac OS 10.4.7) by uuidgen seem to be of this type : D9201B74-B33E-4A72-8C06-3B33781F3396 where the first digit of the 3rd group indicates the type. Best, Mark On 1 Dec 2006, at 16:56, Mark Wieder wrote: but I second Dar's concern over the bona-fide qualifier. Microsoft's implementation has been criticized as being unsecure - the MAC id can still be identified from the guid, and therefore documents can be trace to their owners - that's how the writer of the Melissa virus was found. The standard way of generating a guid involves the MAC id and a time string - are you looking for something more secure than that? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
On 12/1/06 11:03 AM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know how I could pass a value back to RunRev from an AppleScript that is being run via the do myAppleScript as AppleScript command? I can pass back a return value, but this stops the script from running, I would like to pass something back but have the script continue to run. The only way I could think of would be to have AppleScript tell your application something in the middle of its processing using the do script command, but this would execute a handler in your code instead of just passing back a value... Just curious: What are you having AppleScript do that you want to get results back in the middle the executing AppleScript? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
And Rev's the milliseconds returns the total number of milliseconds since the start of the eon -- which is midnight GMT, January 1, 1970. Ticks is the same, but returns 1/60th of a second. I don't think we have a way of accessing nanoseconds (billionth of a second). Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill- Thursday, November 30, 2006, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: I love this comment from the rfc: /* NT keeps time in FILETIME format which is 100ns ticks since Jan 1, 1601. UUIDs use time in 100ns ticks since Oct 15, 1582. The difference is 17 Days in Oct + 30 (Nov) + 31 (Dec) + 18 years and 5 leap days. */ Gotta love those Microsoft standards, dontcha? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problem creating set of variables
On 12/1/06 6:16 AM, Thierry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit you a strange problem I'm encountering. I want to create local variables with the following script: repeat with x = 1 to 3 put empty into (Myvar x) end repeat Surprisingly, this does not work. In fact it opens the Error window which indicates: Type Chunck: bad destination Object button line put empty into (Myvar x) hint ( Has someone an idea of what is happening? I think you are correlating put empty into fld (myName x) --to-- put empty into (myVar x) In both cases, Rev resolves the parens to a string, thus the second one does not make sense. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tablet PC becoming second monitor
Hello Everyone, Anyone know if it possible to force the tablet pc monitor to be monitor #2 when connected to a second monitor. I would like the second monitor to be monitor #1 for the time being. I have a customer that is stating that the tablet pc reverts back to it being #1 on its own. Any input on this would be helpful. Thanks! -Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: What's the final word on addressing USB devices in Rev? Not sure there is one. Last I saw, Chipp and Company stated it wouldn't be happening on their end as it was too difficult a project to undertake, and I haven't seen anyone else step up. Maybe this is a job for the Scots... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
Hi Dave, This is very easy: tell application Whatever -- do stuff here set myRslt to A Value end tell return myRslt If you keep this script in a variable myScript, you retrieve the variable result from the AppleScript script in the following way: do myScript as AppleScript put the result Above script puts A Value into the message box. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 1-dec-2006, om 18:03 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven: Hi All, Does anyone know how I could pass a value back to RunRev from an AppleScript that is being run via the do myAppleScript as AppleScript command? I can pass back a return value, but this stops the script from running, I would like to pass something back but have the script continue to run. Thanks in Advance All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB/Serial issue
Hello, Working on windows. The function put driverNames is not usable on windows. = Where to get the driverName usable in runrev with the directive open driver xyz? Perhaps there is a solution for runrev on windows with the open driver syntax, but where can I get the driver name from? Regards, Franz Mit freundlichen Grüßen Franz Böhmisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.animabit.de GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH Am Sonnenhang 22 D-94136 Thyrnau Tel +49 (0)8501-8538 Fax +49 (0)8501-8537 Original Messageprocessed by David InfoCenter Subject: USB/Serial issue (19-Nov-2006 3:15) From:J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Jean-Jacques Wagner can't seem to post to some of the lists he subscribes to, so has asked me to post this for him. He can read your answers, he just can't generate posts right now. I've told him Rev doesn't natively support USB access but it isn't clear to me what he is using as an interface, so maybe someone has comments about the post below. Hi I use to write/read string through the USB Port using a FTDI device. It seems to me that the serial port write/read commands does not work as it should. a) write to USB open driver name for binary update write var to driver name (read from driver name until empty) close driver name ... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box appears
On 12/1/06 3:36 AM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has got me before now! They can be so hard to find when you are writing lots of stuff to the message box for debugging, and then forget to delete just one of them! This is especially true in a library stack, I had a rouge put xxx in a library that took me ages to track down, I eventually found it in a in function a few levels away from the main API Call! I think an option that turned off the put xxx shortcut would be a good idea! Chipp Walters used to have something on his site that would do this. Took a quick look and did not find it. Check the archives, but I think the Altuit site has changed so much that old info will be obsolete. Perhaps Chipp may know where it is hiding. PS I always use 'into msg' or 'after msg' so I can find them later. For a short time I always added !! like put fld output !! but got out of the habbit. Of course another way is to make your own lib handler putMsg flag upperTier is fUpperTier on putMsg txtStr put txtStr end putMsg then turn off the 'put txtStr' line or find the putMsg lines Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Default App for Rev Files on MacOS X Tiger
Click the button 'Change all...' in the get info window On 12/1/06 8:46 AM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed 2.7.x and tested it for 30 days, then got rid of it and went back to 2.6.6.152. Now all the .rev files won't open in 2.6.6.152. I just get an error message whenever I double-click them. If I change the default app on the file using the Finder Get Info command the start to open correctly again. Any ideas on how to fix it on ALL my .rev files? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB
Hi Richard, Scott's right. Chris tells me it is too difficult to create an easy to use USB driver. The reason is the data you receive is binary and there is huge amounts of it. So, for each device, you would need to write your own bit parser and figure out the data stream, effectively doing a lot of the work. Someone like Chris could do it, but for us to put a 'USB driver' out there would certainly overwhelm us with support requests. best, Chipp On 12/1/06, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: What's the final word on addressing USB devices in Rev? Not sure there is one. Last I saw, Chipp and Company stated it wouldn't be happening on their end as it was too difficult a project to undertake, and I haven't seen anyone else step up. Maybe this is a job for the Scots... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB in REV
These guys were, at one time, 'Rev Partners' or something. http://www.bkohg.com/service/software_e.html They specialize in USB hardware interfaces. Although the software offerings might be partial to their products, they DO offer the C++ and other code on their site which might give some clues to how to do it, at least on the mac side... Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: What's the final word on addressing USB devices in Rev? -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
On 12/1/06 9:03 AM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how I could pass a value back to RunRev from an AppleScript that is being run via the do myAppleScript as AppleScript command? I can pass back a return value, but this stops the script from running, I would like to pass something back but have the script continue to run. I am not an expert in this area, but here are ideas and the last one I use in my daily operations on Win and Mac. - One way that should work is to compile the Applescript and run it as an app that stays open. Rev would trigger it to operate, the app would send a message to the System to trigger it again in 1 second, it then finishes a cycle, returning a value to Rev. - Another way, from the Rev side, you could repeatedly trigger the Applescript everytime a new value was received by Rev. - You could use shell and the environment variables to move data between apps. - Perhaps simpler to implement is that the Applescript would write text files to a folder that Rev would scan and read. I use this everyday-all-day to move data from Rev to FoxPro, then back to Rev asynchronously. Rev -- (not the exact syntax) put u/a/b/c/incomingAS/ into folderpath if there is a file (folderpathdataForMe.txt) then put url (file: folderpathdataForMe.txt) into incoming delete file ( folderpathdataForMe.txt) end if -- Not recommended -- using the clipboard between Rev and other apps. - Hope this gives you some options Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
From http://home.famkruithof.net/guid-uuid-timebased.html Generally a programmer does not get the current time in 100 nanosecond intervals since 15 October 1582, but for instance in millisecond precision since 1 January 1970. In this case, to come from milliseconds to nanoseconds precision multiply the time returned from the system by 1 and to correct the start date add an offset of 1221929280. Best, Mark On 1 Dec 2006, at 17:35, Bill Marriott wrote: And Rev's the milliseconds returns the total number of milliseconds since the start of the eon -- which is midnight GMT, January 1, 1970. Ticks is the same, but returns 1/60th of a second. I don't think we have a way of accessing nanoseconds (billionth of a second). Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill- Thursday, November 30, 2006, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: I love this comment from the rfc: /* NT keeps time in FILETIME format which is 100ns ticks since Jan 1, 1601. UUIDs use time in 100ns ticks since Oct 15, 1582. The difference is 17 Days in Oct + 30 (Nov) + 31 (Dec) + 18 years and 5 leap days. */ Gotta love those Microsoft standards, dontcha? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On 12/1/06 11:35 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Rev's the milliseconds returns the total number of milliseconds since the start of the eon -- which is midnight GMT, January 1, 1970. Ticks is the same, but returns 1/60th of a second. I don't think we have a way of accessing nanoseconds (billionth of a second). No, the closest we have is microseconds (a millionth of a second), by using the long seconds function. But keep in mind the note attached to it: this value is not normally accurate past the third decimal place because of processor delays. :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
On 12/1/06 11:59 AM, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, This is very easy: tell application Whatever -- do stuff here set myRslt to A Value end tell return myRslt If you keep this script in a variable myScript, you retrieve the variable result from the AppleScript script in the following way: do myScript as AppleScript put the result Above script puts A Value into the message box. Yes, but the problem is, Mark, the Dave wanted a result back *in the middle* of running an AppleScript, not at the end... a bit more problematic... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
This is very much like trying to compare XCode to Visual Studio, or MetaCard and RR. They are nowhere near being similar. XCode and Visual Studio ARE similar. And MetaCard and RR are as close as it gets! Back to the original comparison, Google Web Toolkit and Morfik both provide frameworks to write AJAX apps in Java and export to HTML/Javascript. They are competing products... it has even been rumored that Google secretly stole Morfik's technology and will get sued. How can you possibly say they are not similar? How much more similar can you get when there is speculation that they are the same technology? Speculation that they might be even closer than we think: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/31/0353229 Google Web Toolkit is also free, no wonder the Morfik guys are panicking. Either Google stole from them, or just stole the market from them. SNIP As far as Morfik being a startup, and you aren't comfortable with that, and you don't like the license, fine. I understand where you're at. I just don't think your position is typical. Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. /SNIP OK, fair enough. I certainly can't certify my normalcy, but I have known many other startup owners and they tend to be risk adverse with their platform choices. Maybe it's just my circle. There's no guarantee that next year will yield 1.5. In fact, anyone who's dealt with startup vendors over the years knows there is a good chance that there won't be any new versions if they don't start selling licenses ASAP. The fact that they are offering heavily discounted licenses tells me that they aren't out of the woods yet. So you'd be more comfortable if they didn't have an introductory offer? I don't get this. Stores and restaurants that have just opened offer big discounts to get you in the door. Automakers offer big rebates to sell you the financing. Every service company on the planet from Comcast to Time Warner to Verizon to Vonage to SunRocket to NetFlix have introductory offers to get you to try their service out. You think that's a bad thing? I never said that an intro offer is a bad thing by itself. You are twisting my words (which are quoted above). I was just saying that it's another indicator that they aren't established yet - which implies risk. It tells me they might not be producing enough revenue yet to stay in business, which directly affects the chances of version 1.5 not happening. Nothing is for sure, I'm just estimating risk. The fact that Morfik apparently outputs a custom .exe file with the database and web server embedded sounds truly awful to me. So you're saying I can only run this on Windows, it won't scale, it won't conform to any normal Apache or Firebird documentation, I can't upgrade the web server or database without rebuilding my app, and I can't run this on 99% of the web hosts out there? Three words: Flat. Out. False. I quote, from their website: The output of the WebOS AppsBuilder - the WebOS application or XApp - refers to the tight integration of an embedded Web Server, Database Server, and the business logic of your application, all compiled into a single executable. Or are you arguing that web hosts DO typically allow you to run huge custom EXEs with embedded databases and web servers? Or that custom EXEs that merge web app, database, and web server in one file are scalable and/or upgradeable? What part do you object to and why? Sorry you are bored with this thread - I find it interesting. You seem to know something about Morfik, and so I'm happy to be corrected if I don't have some of my facts straight. - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: External Writing on win - external.h
Hello, just checked the two Articles of Mark Waddingham concerning externals http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter5.php http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue14/newsletter3.php Just checked the external SDK and found the include library external.h ... In VisualBasic 6.0 and VisualBasic.Net you can create dlls. Is it possible to simulate the integrated wrapper functions of the external.h XClipsFunctionCall XClipsEval(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); XClipsAssertString in a visual basic application to design a dll for usage in runrev on windows? What conventions must the dll use for this task? Any further suggestions? Regards, Franz Mit freundlichen Grüßen Franz Böhmisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.animabit.de GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH Am Sonnenhang 22 D-94136 Thyrnau Tel +49 (0)8501-8538 Fax +49 (0)8501-8537 /* The layer between Revolution and CLIPS (external.h, external.c) is Copyright 2003 Alex Rice. All Rights reserved. No warranty of fitness or correctness or stability. Use at your own risk. Please be aware CLIPS and Revolution each have their respective licenses as well. */ /* #defines and prototypes for MetaCard/Runtime Revolution template external */ #include clips.h /* * DOToRev * converts a CLIPS data object into a revolution string object */ extern void RevMessageBox(char *msg1, char *msg2); /* * I/O Routers Glue. Does this obviate the need for the rest of these functions and handlers? */ extern int RevRouterFind(char *logicalName); extern int RevRouterPrint(char *logicalName, char *str); extern int RevRouterExit(int unused); extern void XClipsPrintRouter(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern int RevRouterStdinGetc(char *logicalName); extern int RevRouterStdinUngetc(int ch, char *logicalName); /* * Transcript Handlers */ extern void XClipsInit(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsClear(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsBuild(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsLoad(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsLoadFacts(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsAssertString(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsLoadFactsFromString(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsReset(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsFacts(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsSaveFacts(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsGetFactList(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsRun(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsEval(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); /* * Transcript Functions */ extern void XClipsFunctionCall(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsEval(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); extern void XClipsAssertString(char *args[], int nargs, char **retstring, Bool *pass, Bool *error); /* * I/O */ extern void XCabort(); extern Xternal Xtable[]; extern char Xname[]; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re-2: USB in REV
Thank you very much - but this only works on Mac. I use Windows (and the most companies in the measurement business do therefore the hardware manufacturers mostly offer dlls and visual basic tools ...) Regards, Franz Original Messageprocessed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: USB in REV (01-Dez-2006 19:11) From:Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com These guys were, at one time, 'Rev Partners' or something. http://www.bkohg.com/service/software_e.html They specialize in USB hardware interfaces. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box appears
Hi Jim and all, IMHO, you guys are making it too hard. I've intentionally developed a habit of always putting test info ' cr after msg'. Then when I'm done, I can easily find all occurrences of 'after msg' and delete'em. No, it's not infallible. And sometimes I cheat (like to clear msg at the start of a 'put after' sequence). But I make my living writing software with Revolution, and I don't have any self-inflicted misery from rogue 'puts'. To me that says something about the effectiveness of the approach. I admit that the 'habit thing' may not be sufficient for every situation. Most of the time I'm the only programmer on my projects, so I generally don't have to collaborate with others at the code level. Your mileage may vary. Ask your doctor if the Habit Way is right for you... :o) My $0.02... Thanks - Phil Davis Jim Ault wrote: On 12/1/06 3:36 AM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has got me before now! They can be so hard to find when you are writing lots of stuff to the message box for debugging, and then forget to delete just one of them! This is especially true in a library stack, I had a rouge put xxx in a library that took me ages to track down, I eventually found it in a in function a few levels away from the main API Call! I think an option that turned off the put xxx shortcut would be a good idea! Chipp Walters used to have something on his site that would do this. Took a quick look and did not find it. Check the archives, but I think the Altuit site has changed so much that old info will be obsolete. Perhaps Chipp may know where it is hiding. PS I always use 'into msg' or 'after msg' so I can find them later. For a short time I always added !! like put fld output !! but got out of the habbit. Of course another way is to make your own lib handler putMsg flag upperTier is fUpperTier on putMsg txtStr put txtStr end putMsg then turn off the 'put txtStr' line or find the putMsg lines Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Nice! Google Web Toolkit shows up in Safari, has mac support, and is free. Google Web Toolkit is also free, no wonder the Morfik guys are panicking. Either Google stole from them, or just stole the market from them. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
Dave, Ken, Apologies. Here is the correct solution, all AppleScript: tell application Revolution do script put \Some Value\ end tell You could run a script to send a message to a progress bar, for example. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 1-dec-2006, om 19:47 heeft Ken Ray het volgende geschreven: On 12/1/06 11:59 AM, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] talk.com wrote: Yes, but the problem is, Mark, the Dave wanted a result back *in the middle* of running an AppleScript, not at the end... a bit more problematic... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
As far as Morfik being a startup, and you aren't comfortable with that, and you don't like the license, fine. I understand where you're at. I just don't think your position is typical. Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. Just to clarify: I've been speaking specifically as an owner of my *own* startup. Meaning I'm not comfortable pinning the hopes of my startup on another startup, which is much different from saying that nobody should. I do think my position is typical in that particular case - maybe not the general one. Regards, Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On 12/1/06 10:46 AM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/1/06 11:35 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Rev's the milliseconds returns the total number of milliseconds since the start of the eon -- which is midnight GMT, January 1, 1970. Ticks is the same, but returns 1/60th of a second. I don't think we have a way of accessing nanoseconds (billionth of a second). No, the closest we have is microseconds (a millionth of a second), by using the long seconds function. But keep in mind the note attached to it: this value is not normally accurate past the third decimal place because of processor delays. Since no one will be converting GUIDs back to seconds, accuracy doesn't matter for this purpose, right? So functions long seconds and random can be used to fake nanoseconds. -- Dick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
XCode and Visual Studio ARE similar. And MetaCard and RR are as close as it gets! Back to the original comparison, Google Web Toolkit and Morfik both provide frameworks to write AJAX apps in Java and export to HTML/Javascript. They are competing products... it has even been rumored that Google secretly stole Morfik's technology and will get sued. How can you possibly say they are not similar? How much more similar can you get when there is speculation that they are the same technology? The second comparison was bad (MC and RR). I was under the impression that MC was pretty junky, but I've never used it. However, in my experience XCode is significantly harder to use to build forms than VS is. So, how about this, because this is more like it: GWT is more like using a text editor to build web pages, and Morfik is more like using a RAD tool to build web pages. How's that? Google isn't as tied to the OS (one would assume that's deliberate), but it isn't as easy to use, either. I'll say it again as far as them being similar. 1) Graphical form editor - Morfik only. 2) PDF report output - Morfik only (this is a bit unfair since you can't draw the forms in GWT anyway, but it's a very neat trick for me). 3) Languages - GWT is Java only, Morfik is Java, C#, Basic, and Pascal, and if I have my way some xTalk variation, but who am I? 4) Tightly integrated database design, interaction, and output - Morfik only. 5) Tightly integrated web server - Morfik only. 6) Cost - GWT - free as in beer, Morfik - Free for non-commercial use, $17xx until sometime (next March?), then $5,000 (at least that's what they're saying right now) As far as threatening suit, I'm relatively sure that Linux isn't very similar to Windoze, regardless of what you think of KDE or Gnome, yet M$ is claiming that Linux incorporates Windoze IP. How many suits have there been over iPods and other music players? Do you really think those competitors are the same thing? Or are you arguing that web hosts DO typically allow you to run huge custom EXEs with embedded databases and web servers? Or that custom EXEs that merge web app, database, and web server in one file are scalable and/or upgradeable? The sales pitch is simpler than the reality. You CAN tie it all together. However, you also have the option of using external data sources (that's discussed in the Professional literature, I believe), or cranking a server farm. The last one was detailed on somebody's web site recently. Salesforce? I don't remember whose. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
From what I can dimly understand of the various versions of the spec, there are time-based, name-based and random-based versions. All of them are built from 1 x 60 bit value, 1 x 14 bit value and 1 x 48 bit value, plus 4 bits for the version id, and 2 bits for the 'variant' (I haven't worked out exactly what that is, but apparently it should be 1 0.) In the random version, each of these values (apart from the version and variant) is generated randomly, or pseudo-randomly. So my naive question is, for the random version, what would be wrong with simply generating a random sequence of 128 1s and 0s, sticking the version and variant bits in the right places, and then baseConverting the whole thing in groups of 4 to Hex digits. Add the formatting dashes, and it's done. This is probably very naive indeed, perhaps someone here understands the issues well enough to comment. Best, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey wrote: Jacque, I'll agree with the first comparison, but have to disagree with the second. MetaCard and Revolution are identical in every respect except for the stacks that represent how the user interacts with the engine. Now I'm confused. I thought MetaCard didn't have all the gui niceties that RR does, That's right. and was more of a text engine. So since I apparently have no idea how we got where we are, can you expand a bit more on what MetaCard was? Was this just a simple case of RR saying Hey, this is great, but we can make it better? Pretty much, I think. Do you mean test engine? MC has sort of become that in a way. Since its IDE is so much simpler than Rev's, most bugs that are reproducible in MC are usually engine bugs, though not all. MetaCard was the original product until Runtime took over. Now it is just another alternate IDE, though as you mention, the GUI is less elaborate. But everything that can be done in Rev can also be done in MC because the engine is the same, and in some cases, the GUI is similar as well. They are more alike than different. I use both, all the time, for different things. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Matchtext script results
John Craig wrote: Jeez! Did the office lights dim and flicker when you ran the regex version? No, but I was testing during the daytime so it was hard to tell. :) I am pretty sure it was slower because of the complex structure of the pattern, but it was still cool that you could write it. That's more than I can say for my regex capabilities. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Galaxy Install
So I managed to pull a complete brain-fart here and apparently Jerry is busy, as he hasn't responded to my request for some help yet. I was sent a username and password to download and install Galaxy, which I did. However, it appears that the only change in my setup is the addition of a My Revolution Studio folder in the My Documents folder. Did I miss something that I have to do to make this work? Thanks. Mike. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Galaxy Value Proposition
Along with the attempt to toy with Galaxy, I sent a message to the group a week ago asking why Galaxy is worthwhile. Jerry responded with a trial username and password so I could mess with it, but I don't recall anywhere seeing the this is why you HAVE to use Galaxy, so I was hoping that a couple of Galaxy Fanbois would talk about it. If nothing else I was hoping that Galaxy's script editor would make me stop wanting to hack RR's. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
MetaCard was the original product until Runtime took over. Now it is just another alternate IDE, though as you mention, the GUI is less elaborate. But everything that can be done in Rev can also be done in MC because the engine is the same, and in some cases, the GUI is similar as well. They are more alike than different. I use both, all the time, for different things. Since I clearly know zero about MC, give me an example of why I would use MC instead of RR. I'm also assuming that the file formats are different, right? Also, isn't MC freeware now? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Regarding MetaCard, Mikey wrote: I'm also assuming that the file formats are different, right? MetaCard was one the name used for the whole product, engine and IDE. Since RunRev Ltd. acquired the engine, the name MetaCard now only applies to the MetaCard IDE, which was donated to the community for continued maintenance under and open source license (X11). Any IDE us just a collection of stacks, and as such can have no control over the file format used by the engine. Also, isn't MC freeware now? The MetaCard IDE stack files are indeed open source. MC's home is at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/ Like any other stack files, the MC IDE's license in no way affects the license of the Revolution engine needed to run it. So while the IDE is open source, the engine remains the proprietary property of RunRev Ltd., and is subject to the terms and conditions of their license. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
Or... putting it another way... You'd think in this day and age, Apple would make Safari a compliant browser, especially since Mozilla Firefox is open source, works on Macs and complies to the latest standards (perhaps it may even be considered the standard at this point). Guess it depends upon one's viewpoint. ;-) On 12/1/06, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this day and age it's silly for a company to pretend the mac user base doesn't exist.. I mean their product should at least create SITES that Safari can render! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: Now, several posts later we still don't have an xTalk GUID generator! -LOL- Is anyone up to the task? Or at least able to translate all the language in that RFC? I know the point is to build one with xTalk, but you can doit with Shell on the mac and this VBS on the PC FUNCTION CreateGUID() set x = createobject(Scriptlet.TypeLib) CreateGUID=left(x.GUID,38) END FUNCTION Can you run a VBScript from Revolution? Todd -- Todd Geist __ g e i s t i n t e r a c t i v e ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box appears
Hello, For all who don't have Galaxy, I have uploaded last year a stack on RevOnline: User: sosmartsoftware Stack: Smart Script Search Description: This utility parses all scripts in any open stack searching for lines of code where any string is present AND any another one is absent. Its main purpose, but it's configurable, is to find orphan puts... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet Le 1 déc. 06 à 20:28, Stephen Barncard a écrit : just for the record, Jerry Daniel's Galaxy has a feature where you put *put into the search field and it will find all the 'dangling puts'. Use it all the time. Hi Jim and all, IMHO, you guys are making it too hard. I've intentionally developed a habit of always putting test info ' cr after msg'. Then when I'm done, I can easily find all occurrences of 'after msg' and delete'em. -- http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Recently, Mikey wrote: MetaCard was the original product until Runtime took over. Now it is just another alternate IDE, though as you mention, the GUI is less elaborate. But everything that can be done in Rev can also be done in MC because the engine is the same, and in some cases, the GUI is similar as well. They are more alike than different. I use both, all the time, for different things. Since I clearly know zero about MC, give me an example of why I would use MC instead of RR. The best reasons are those written about in the past: the simple, minimal interface, while perhaps not the most attractive, is functional, fast, and pretty much stays out of your way. It's a bare bones approach. Some have argued this allows you to focus more on stack development. I'm also assuming that the file formats are different, right? No. Again, it's just an IDE, a means to edit stacks, that runs using the same engine as Revolution, just without the bells and whistles of Revolution's IDE. You can edit stacks in both environments, but Revolution's IDE employs some custom stack properties that MC ignores. Personally, the only reason I don't use MC now is because I develop stacks that need to coexist with Rev's IDE, so I need to deal. But as someone who started in what-was-Revolution-before-there-ever-was-a-Revolution, I would say MC is a very useful front end for development. FWIW. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problem creating set of variables
Recently, Jim Ault wrote: I think you are correlating put empty into fld (myName x) --to-- put empty into (myVar x) In both cases, Rev resolves the parens to a string, thus the second one does not make sense. Just FYI... Jim's right: the latter doesn't work as written, but you can *make* it work using the do construct: do put empty into myVar x Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Galaxy Install
On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Mikey wrote: However, it appears that the only change in my setup is the addition of a My Revolution Studio folder in the My Documents folder. Did I miss something that I have to do to make this work? Hi Mikey, Does the My Revolution Studio folder have anything in it after running the Galaxy installer? What you should get after running the installer is something like ./My Revolution Studio/plugins/Galaxy Studio Startup.rev. The actual path and Galaxy filename depend on what version of Rev you are running and what version of Galaxy you installed. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On 1 Dec 2006, at 20:17, Bill Marriott wrote: Now, several posts later we still don't have an xTalk GUID generator! -LOL- Is anyone up to the task? Or at least able to translate all the language in that RFC? This my type 4 generator, based on the idea that 122 random bits is no different to 60 + 14 + 48 random bits. function getRandomUUID repeat 128 put random(2) - 1 after tBits end repeat put 0100 into char 49 to 51 of tBits put 10 into char 79 to 80 of tBits repeat with n = 1 to 125 step 4 put baseConvert(char n to n+3 of tBits,2,16) after tHexString end repeat put - after char 20 of tHexString put - after char 16 of tHexString put - after char 12 of tHexString put - after char 8 of tHexString return tHexString end getRandomUUID I suspect it's not really bona-fide :) Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Galaxy Value Proposition
Mikey- Friday, December 1, 2006, 12:10:48 PM, you wrote: If nothing else I was hoping that Galaxy's script editor would make me stop wanting to hack RR's. Well, it got *me* to stop hacking the script editor... and the variable window... and the debugger... and the property editor... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
Bill- Friday, December 1, 2006, 12:17:01 PM, you wrote: Right... and the RFC I linked to specifically covers the issue of generating GUIDs when the resolution of the system clock is not as high. I just was countering the standards swipe someone made at Microsoft ;) That would be me. And yes, as long a you can generate a long unique pseudorandom number, the algorithm doesn't much matter. Except in the case where it can be traced back to the originator, as in the case with the unsecure Microsoft guid generator. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Mikey wrote: MetaCard was the original product until Runtime took over. Now it is just another alternate IDE, though as you mention, the GUI is less elaborate. But everything that can be done in Rev can also be done in MC because the engine is the same, and in some cases, the GUI is similar as well. They are more alike than different. I use both, all the time, for different things. Since I clearly know zero about MC, give me an example of why I would use MC instead of RR. Well, I'm guessing most people wouldn't use the MC IDE, since Rev is more polished and has more features to help newcomers, but I can give a few of my own reasons. Because the IDE is much simpler, it responds much faster. Appearance of palettes, help text, and dialogs is intantaneous. I use MC almost exclusively when laying out the objects in a new stack because I don't like waiting for Rev's property inspector to change panes and do its little resizing dance. I can click and set object properties in an instant in the MC IDE, and they seem better organized to me (but that's probably just what I'm used to.) The down side: only a few of the most commonly-used properties are in the MC property palettes. If you want the less common ones, you need to already know what those are and type the setting into the message box (or write your own inspector.) MC assumes a certain degree of familiarity with the language, so it isn't ideal for newcomers. When I need to edit or inspect every control on a card, I prefer MC's control browser, which is very simple and only displays the controls on the current card of the selected stack. It lets me change the layering of objects directly without accessing the property inspector (very handy.) Again, speed is a part of my preference here because accessing properties via the MC control browser is instant. The down side: there is no overall view of the stack's objects and hierarchy. You have to already know it. Sometimes I need one view, sometimes the other. I flip back and forth between MC and Rev for that. (See dangerous disclaimer below.) I use the MC IDE when I want to avoid all the front- and backscripts that Rev inserts. When I'm debugging, it is sometimes easier to just remove all the extra stuff and deal exclusively with my own scripts. Rev sends a constant stream of specialized messages in the background, and sometimes I don't want those. MC keeps the messaging to a minimum. Also, the debuggers respond slightly differently to some errors. Sometimes I can get more info debugging in MC than I can in Rev (or vice versa.) So if a particular bug hangs up the debugger in one, I switch to the other. The MC script editor is faster to type into and doesn't use any HTML at all. (On the other hand, it doesn't auto-complete for you.) It doesn't store a duplicate copy of my script as htmlText, but rather colorizes scripts on the fly when they open. I don't like how pasting into the Rev editor inserts styled text, which requires me to make a special trip to the font menu to remove the styling. The MC editor converts all my text to plain, unstyled text without me doing anything, which duplicates the HC experience for me and is what I'm used to. Some people prefer htmlText, so they wouldn't like this. One thing I miss in the MC editor is the ability to see the list of handlers in a convenient column. In MC, the handler list is in a menu, which is difficult to navigate in long scripts. I'd say the trade-off in the script editors is about 50/50 for me; Rev's feature set is more advanced, but MC's plain text and speed are better. The MC standalone builder is extremely minimal. I like Rev's much better, so I move to Rev to build standalones. To build a standalone in MC, you need to be responsible for all the details and it is a much more manual process. So points to Rev on this one. Basically, you'd like the MC IDE if you understand the language thoroughly, like being in complete control of how it behaves, and enjoy being a down in the dirt geek who likes speed and minimalism. After all, it was originally written by a unix geek, and that's sort of what they were all about. ;) I'm also assuming that the file formats are different, right? No, they are identical. They use the same engine and read/write the same files. I sometimes have the same stack open in both IDEs simultaneously (dangerous, don't try this at home.) I only mention my schizophrenia to show that the files are identical and can be used interchangeably in either app. Also, isn't MC freeware now? The MC IDE is open source and free, but you must have a licensed version of Revolution to use it. What you do is download the IDE (which is just a couple of stacks) and move a copy of your licensed Revolution engine into the IDE. In the past, you could not use the MC IDE without an Enterprise license. I don't know if this has changed, but I suspect that's still the case, which may make
Re: revQueryDatabase / revCurrentRecord
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holá everybody As a new member of the RunRev users I try to learn for buildng up a running Aplication. I´m using the actual Studio-version Since 3 weeks now I try to find out, how to get a field from a MySQL-Database into a variable without any success. Now I ask anybody of you to give me a helpfull hand. What I do is: Put rev_dbconnect (mySQL, localhost, mytest_DB, root,) into DB_ID put revQueryDatabase (DB_ID, SELECT * from Table_1 where Number = 2) into var_1 ## Number is the first Field in the Table Table_1 which is ok Put revCurrentRecord (var_1) into var_2 ## Var_2 is always 0 (Zero) doesn´t matter which Number I select. Why??? Now I think next would be: put field_2 into Variable_1 ## field_2 is a field in the DB But that does not work. Please, for you it´s just a moment for me sonce now hours and days to solve this problem Thank you in advanced Horst Peters Hi Horst, You're on the right track but seem to make a few assumptions that make me think you're coming from a Filemaker or FoxPro background ;-) When you connect to the database, you receive a connection ID (good) that you can use to read data from the database or manipulate the data stored therein. There are two functions for getting information out of the database: 1) The first function is 'revDataFromQuery', which returns a single variable, with the selected fields of the records that fit the criteria in your SQL query. Example: ## put SELECT cust_id,cust_name FROM Customers into tQuery put revDataFromQuery(return,tab,tConnectionID,tQuery) into tData put tData into field Table Field ## You would have a return-and-tab-delimited list like this: 01tabJane Doereturn 02tabJeff Doereturn 03tabJohn Doereturn ... This function is great if you're looking to display some data easily and quickly. But it would be hard to parse out individual fields, and that's where the next function comes to play. 2) The second function is 'revQueryDatabase', which executes the query and returns a cursor ID - this doesn't contain the data itself, but rather an identifier for a result set - a collection of records. To determine how many records there are and which is the current one - revNumberOfRecords(cursor id) - revCurrentRecord(cursor id) To navigate the records in the result set, you use the commands: - revMoveToFirstRecord cursor id - revMoveToPreviousRecord cursor id - revMoveToNextRecord cursor id - revMoveToLastRecord cursor id To determine what fields are in those records, you use: - revDatabaseColumnCount(cursor id) - revDatabaseColumnNames(cursor id) To fetch the individual fields of the current record, you use: - revDatabaseColumnNumbered(cursor id,column number) - revDatabaseColumnNamed(cursor id,column name) To release the result set from memory, you use: - revCloseCursor cursor id It is important to understand that Revolution is blissfully unaware of the data in record sets, and doesn't automatically map field names onto variable names So you'll have to use the last two functions to get the data from the current record and put it into a variable for further processing. So going back to the previous example: ## put SELECT cust_id,cust_name FROM Customers into tQuery put revQueryDatabase(tConnectionID,tQuery) into tCursorID put revDatabaseColumnNamed(tCursorID,cust_id) into tCustID put revDatabaseColumnNamed(tCursorID,cust_name) \ into tCustName answer Customer ID: tCustID return \ Customer Name: tCustName -- do various other things with the data in the cursor -- ... -- release the used resources revCloseCursor tCursorID ## After reading the two fields from the current record in the result set, you display an answer dialog box, which would display something like: Customer ID: 01 Customer Name: Jane Doe -- Another important thing to note is that you cannot modify the records that are in the result set - you'll need to use separate INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE queries to modify what's in the database. To do that, you'll use the 'revExecuteSQL' command. For more information, the Revolution User Guide describes the intricacies of database interaction - starting on page 218. You can access the User Guide from the Revolution Documentation - it's a long PDF document well worth the time to read. The latest version of the guide can be downloaded from this URL: http://downloads.runrev.com/userguide/userguide.pdf Of course, if anything is unclear, don't hesitate to ask your question on this mailing list or the forum. We're all here to help. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
On 12/1/06 3:08 PM, Todd Geist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the point is to build one with xTalk, but you can doit with Shell on the mac and this VBS on the PC FUNCTION CreateGUID() set x = createobject(Scriptlet.TypeLib) CreateGUID=left(x.GUID,38) END FUNCTION Can you run a VBScript from Revolution? Absolutely! See: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/iac002.htm About the middle of the page... The downside is that certain virus software (like Norton) will stop a VBS file from running if it thinks it's potentially going to do some damage. Anything that touches Scripting.FileSystemObject will trigger it, and it turns out that this triggers it as well. However, it can easily be wrapped in a VB DLL to bypass the trigger... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Galaxy Value Proposition
On 12/2/06, Mikey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along with the attempt to toy with Galaxy, I sent a message to the group a week ago asking why Galaxy is worthwhile. Jerry responded with a trial username and password so I could mess with it, but I don't recall anywhere seeing the this is why you HAVE to use Galaxy, so I was hoping that a couple of Galaxy Fanbois would talk about it. If nothing else I was hoping that Galaxy's script editor would make me stop wanting to hack RR's. There is so much in Galaxy that not everyone will agree with my estimation of what is most valuable, but here goes: Tabbed editing (scripts properties) Editing everything in a single window Hypertext linking to Rev terms and to your own handlers Being able to alter the common properties from a contextual menu (you can set what appears in this menu) I think you really have to try it. It will change the way you work in Rev. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB/Serial issue
Did you try put the driverNames Note the the in there to tell Rev you are looking for a property, not a variable. If that doesn't work (and I haven't tried it on Windows), then I think you can just try COM1:, COM2: etc. Cheers, Sarah On 12/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Working on windows. The function put driverNames is not usable on windows. = Where to get the driverName usable in runrev with the directive open driver xyz? Perhaps there is a solution for runrev on windows with the open driver syntax, but where can I get the driver name from? Regards, Franz Mit freundlichen Grüßen Franz Böhmisch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
it is not necessary to split up a script, because you can send transcript commands from within AppleScript to Revolution, as I showed in an earlier mail Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 1-dec-2006, om 20:44 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven: On 1 Dec 2006, at 17:35, Ken Ray wrote: Just curious: What are you having AppleScript do that you want to get results back in the middle the executing AppleScript? Seconded. Is there a reason why you can't split it up into more than one script? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
You'd think in this day and age, Apple would make Safari a compliant browser, especially since Mozilla Firefox is open source, works on Macs and complies to the latest standards (perhaps it may even be considered the standard at this point). Hey, Chipp, I don't know why Morfik doesn't work on Safari. They (Morfik) says it's a bug, but I don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. Granted Safari is in a teeny-ish minority (I believe somewhere around 10% at last count, if I recall correctly), and Opera, FF, and IE (and I believe that BumperCar, Camino and iCab do, too, although I think BumperCar and Camino are both based on FF's codebase) all seem to work, but I guess without knowing why there is a problem I don't know if we can say one way or another that it's Apple's fault. You would think they would go out of their way to behave in a similar way to the others, but I'm not sure why they don't. There may be a really good design reason. Regardless, Morfik claims they're going to fix the Safari issue shortly. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Galaxy Install
Trevor, Yes, I have that. However, when I fire up Media or Studio, and open the script editor, nothing looks any different to me. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Galaxy Value Proposition
On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Mikey wrote: Along with the attempt to toy with Galaxy, I sent a message to the group a week ago asking why Galaxy is worthwhile. Jerry responded with a trial username and password so I could mess with it, but I don't recall anywhere seeing the this is why you HAVE to use Galaxy, so I was hoping that a couple of Galaxy Fanbois would talk about it. If nothing else I was hoping that Galaxy's script editor would make me stop wanting to hack RR's. Here is what I like about the Galaxy: Finally we have a script editor that is functional and clean. It just works! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Galaxy Install
OK, I think I figured out how to get it to open (I had to manually open it, which is weird, but whatever). Anyway, what's the difference between the free and the paid versions? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Uh oh, I think I Broke Something
Continuing on my tour of adventure, I'm trying to use Galaxy. The only way that Galaxy seems to start is if I open the Galaxy Studio Startup stack manually. However, then it appears that clicking on the edit cursor icon or the box causes me to be in some sort of weird mode where I'm also editing the Galaxy stacks. I do not seem to be able to overcome this obstacle at this time. Suggestions? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
What's with the Apple bashing, really? Mozilla is NOT the standard, the standard is the standard. Konqueror (on which Safari is based) is open source also, and no less compliant. Opera is probably the most compliant browser out there, and Safari was the first to pass the Acid2 test. There are no compliant browsers, period. Opera, FireFox and Safari all have high levels of compatibility but they aren't all the same. As a result, it still matters what browsers you test against. About the only certain thing is that you'll spend at least half of your time dealing with IE if you hope to be browser independent. Compliancy definitely has a lot of gray area because it's hideously complex to achieve, but saying that you'd expect Apple to produce something that nobody else has sounds like sour grapes. Even though it's a tired subject, it's also pretty hard to ignore the impact of IE pretty much destroying the efficiency of web developers seeking browser independence. Or... putting it another way... You'd think in this day and age, Apple would make Safari a compliant browser, especially since Mozilla Firefox is open source, works on Macs and complies to the latest standards (perhaps it may even be considered the standard at this point). Guess it depends upon one's viewpoint. ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
I'll say it again as far as them being similar. 1) Graphical form editor - Morfik only. 2) PDF report output - Morfik only (this is a bit unfair since you can't draw the forms in GWT anyway, but it's a very neat trick for me). 3) Languages - GWT is Java only, Morfik is Java, C#, Basic, and Pascal, and if I have my way some xTalk variation, but who am I? 4) Tightly integrated database design, interaction, and output - Morfik only. 5) Tightly integrated web server - Morfik only. 6) Cost - GWT - free as in beer, Morfik - Free for non-commercial use, $17xx until sometime (next March?), then $5,000 (at least that's what they're saying right now) No doubt they have different features. I'm just saying they are targeting the same market. I'm sure GWT has some features that Morfik doesn't as well, but maybe the distinction is that GWT is in fact more of a low-level tool then Morfik which is more RAD-oriented. I can buy that. As far as threatening suit, I'm relatively sure that Linux isn't very similar to Windoze, regardless of what you think of KDE or Gnome, yet M$ is claiming that Linux incorporates Windoze IP. How many suits have there been over iPods and other music players? Do you really think those competitors are the same thing? I'm just commenting on the speculation that Google actually either a) stole their IP, or actually b) licensed the technology directly. Hey it's all speculation. All that is for sure is that Morfik is trying to patent their JWT technology, and much of the tech community sees it as frivolous and possibly desperate to keep Google out of the game. Neither of use know if there actually will be any lawsuits, or what relation exactly the technology has. But obviously a lot of people DO see them as competitors with similar technology. Are you telling me now that iPods and other MP3 players aren't actually similar products? The sales pitch is simpler than the reality. You CAN tie it all together. However, you also have the option of using external data sources (that's discussed in the Professional literature, I believe), or cranking a server farm. The last one was detailed on somebody's web site recently. Salesforce? I don't remember whose. Sounds good. After much digging, you can find some vague references on the site to Linux and MacOS options in the future. Looks to me like Morfik really needs to improve the information on their site. It's nearly impossible to find any clear information, or else I'm just blind. And I'm not the only one- there are references all over the net to people turned off by the Windows-only appearance. So, the truth does sound much better to me. Totally improves my view of the product. If you're in their program, you might mention that people are having trouble figuring this stuff out from their website. Too many buzz words and no straight information! Regards, Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Chipp Walters wrote: Mikey, and other lurkers. Here's a quick history on the whole MC vs RR thing. MetaCard originally owned all the technology. It basically breaks into 2 parts: the engine and the IDE. Unlike HyperCard and SuperEdit (not SuperCard), the MC IDE was completely written in Transcript (or at that time MetaTalk). Scott Raney (the original programmer and owner of MetaCard) decided to let users create their own add-ons to the brute simple MC IDE. 1997, I think, I was doing MetaCard heavily. 3000 cards covering operator help and training support, 4 product lines, everything translated into 6 languages. I remember everything being clickety-bop fast and solid, lots of scripts going to HTML and off to Workbench (computer-aided translation) and back again, global reformatting to add a text panel to every card to replace the (bad idea) audio track with auto-extracted text from the narration script -- in each language. I got away from it in 2000, and came back in 2005 to find the Revolution version had taken hold, when back in my day Revolution was just an upstart extra-cost IDE I never really thought I'd need. It's all kind of like doing serious work in Turbo Pascal 1.0, and coming back to find JBuilder in its place. Gives me mixed emotions, like seeing your mother-in-law drive off a cliff in your new Cadillac Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
3) It. Doesn't. Cost. $5,000. When you buy something on rebate, and you take it back later, do they give you the list price? No? Why was that? Oh, right. BECAUSE YOU PAID THE SALE PRICE. Rant about the price when and if the price goes up. $5k is the list price. Yes, they are running a promotion. We get that. However, when evaluating technology I can't just weigh it against the best promo price ever available. What happens if I don't end up buying before the end of the promotion? What about down the road when I need upgrades, or new licenses? You can bet that if you form a long term relationship with the tool, you are going to end up spending $5 on a seat at some point. We can rant about the price going up, because it's extremely likely that it will. They've already published the intended price - you really think they don't intend on using it? The promo is great, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with factoring the $5k price into your own evaluation of the product. Hey, if you personally have a project where you know you're just going to pay the $1,700 that's great - but it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else. If you want another analogy, should I evaluate a Compaq computer system on the Walmart blowout prices after Thanksgiving? Since they were selling for $400 instead of the normal $700, would it have been wrong for me to compare the system to others based on the $700 price tag? Or should I have just pretended for 24 hours that it was a $400 product, even if I wasn't necessarily going to buy one that day? - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Values to RunRev from an AppleScript
Agreed, Mark your email encouraged me to revisit an old issue On 12/1/06 11:31 AM, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, Ken, Apologies. Here is the correct solution, all AppleScript: tell application Revolution do script put \Some Value\ end tell You could run a script to send a message to a progress bar, for example. --- it is not necessary to split up a script, because you can send transcript commands from within AppleScript to Revolution, as I showed in an earlier mail - -- (working scripts appear below )--- I have not tried this in a long time since 'do script' sent to Rev used to work in 2.2.1, then got broken for 2.5 and 2.6. I used other ways to workaround DO SCRIPT not functioning. Just tried it in 2.7.2 and got it to work. Bugzilla shows that DO SCRIPT was FIXED , very good news :-) [however an old bug still remains After editing a script and clicking Apply, you need to go to the tool bar and change the mode (browsepointerbrowse) to get the appleEvent handler to listen properly. Very odd, but I found this 2 years ago in 2.2.1 Now make a change in the [ on appleEvent ] script container, apply, and it no longer works. Even if all you add to the script container is one space, then apply, it does not listen (silent failure, no error). This does not happen 100% of the time, but most always. Another bug ? get the scripts below running OK, then click in the lower message box, select all, backspace to clear it, then click on your stack to make it the frontmost, then run Script Editor = does not work (silence). [1a] clear the msg box, stops working [1b]Click pointer mode, browse mode, and it works again [2] clear the msg box, stops working [2b] Cmd-S to save the stack (although you made no changes), and it works again In my production work I have avoided any dependence on Rev's DO SCRIPT. Too much money at risk. [PS - I am submitting to Bugzilla tonight ] Jim Ault Las Vegas -- WORKING SCRIPTS BELOW -- FOR BOTH SCRIPT EDITOR AND REV STACK SCRIPT Script Editor --simple script tell application Revolution do script testHandlerA activate end tell --- Script Editor --repeat loop --watch word wrap try tell application Finder to set the source_folder to (folder of the front window) as alias on error -- no open folder windows set the source_folder to path to desktop folder as alias end try set the item_list to list folder source_folder without invisibles set source_folder to source_folder as string repeat with i from 1 to number of items in the item_list set this_item to item i of the item_list set this_item to (source_folder this_item) as alias set this_info to info for this_item set the current_name to the name of this_info set dataToSend to the current_name tell application Revolution to do script (dataToSend) end repeat beep 2 source_folder dataToSend Revolution 2.7.2 OSX 10.4.7 --New Mainstack, stack script, no other stacks open --[2] handlers on appleEvent p1, p2, p3 put cr APPLE EVENT RECEIVED after msg request AppleEvent data put cr p1 p2 p3 it after msg if p1p2 is miscdosc then request AppleEvent data put it into tData try --do tData send tData to me in 500 milliseconds catch errorMsg answer error Unable to execute handler 'tData'... exit appleEvent end try exit appleEvent end if pass appleEvent end appleEvent on testHandlerA put cr You got here via AS !!!another fine functionality after msg end testHandlerA ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fun Project: xTalk GUID Generator
I think what makes the GUID spec so bewildering is the fact that GUID needs are highly application-specific. Your point is actually right on target. GUID generation is non- perfect and probabilistic. Just generating random data isn't really conceptually any worse, it just gives a much higher probability of conflicts, since random number generators aren't pure and can be influenced by things like the random seed, different machines, system shutdowns, etc. What the GUID spec does is create a system in which it's practically impossible (as opposed to theoretically impossible) to generate the same GUID twice. In order to do this it basically calls on a handful of different unique data and mashes it all together. It also strives for variation (since checking the IP address has nothing to do with generating a random number, for example) so that there is no one point of failure. But in the end, it's just the difference between unlikely and super super super super super unlikely, and really it's the application that is going to define how many supers you need =). For the vast majority of applications, an incrementing counter or timestamp with a little app logic is all you need to get unique IDs for your uses. From what I can dimly understand of the various versions of the spec, there are time-based, name-based and random-based versions. All of them are built from 1 x 60 bit value, 1 x 14 bit value and 1 x 48 bit value, plus 4 bits for the version id, and 2 bits for the 'variant' (I haven't worked out exactly what that is, but apparently it should be 1 0.) In the random version, each of these values (apart from the version and variant) is generated randomly, or pseudo-randomly. So my naive question is, for the random version, what would be wrong with simply generating a random sequence of 128 1s and 0s, sticking the version and variant bits in the right places, and then baseConverting the whole thing in groups of 4 to Hex digits. Add the formatting dashes, and it's done. This is probably very naive indeed, perhaps someone here understands the issues well enough to comment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
but maybe the distinction is that GWT is in fact more of a low-level tool then Morfik which is more RAD-oriented. I can buy that. That's the point I'm trying to make. It isn't that it's a bad thing. I use text editors to work on HTML, CSS etc. files, and I use RAD tools to build pages. It doesn't make one any better than the other, but they aren't similar. I'm just commenting on the speculation that Google actually either a) stole their IP, or actually b) licensed the technology directly. Hey it's all speculation. All that is for sure is that Morfik is trying to patent their JWT technology, and much of the tech community sees it as frivolous and possibly desperate to keep Google out of the game. That could be, but as the discussion you pointed out mentioned, GWT didn't come out until six months after the Google guys were at Morfik's demo at the Web 2.0 conference last year. I believe that is admissible as evidence at trial if Morfik is indeed granted the patent they applied for. Neither of use know if there actually will be any lawsuits, or what relation exactly the technology has. But obviously a lot of people DO see them as competitors with similar technology. Are you telling me now that iPods and other MP3 players aren't actually similar products? As a person who has owned several, that's exactly what I'm saying. The fact that both play music, and both have either flash or mini hard drives does not make them similar. The market seems to agree. Sounds good. After much digging, you can find some vague references on the site to Linux and MacOS options in the future. Looks to me like Morfik really needs to improve the information on their site. It's nearly impossible to find any clear information, or else I'm just blind. And I'm not the only one- there are references all over the net to people turned off by the Windows-only appearance. Are you in the Pioneers program? If you were then you would already have access to all of this. By the way, I didn't mean to spring this on anyone, but I checked earlier this evening on the cross-platform issues, so a) Safari is listed as a bug, and is in the to-do list b) OSX binary is listed as a bug and is in the to-do list, and the Linux compatibility issue listed as lab test, whatever that means. I can't tell you more since I'm not on the inside. So, the truth does sound much better to me. Totally improves my view of the product. If you're in their program, you might mention that people are having trouble figuring this stuff out from their website. Too many buzz words and no straight information! I agree that the vocabulary is difficult. Both they and Google throw around the word Compiler in a way that is completely unfamiliar to me, and I've written a couple (for example). Bringing all of this back to the original discussion, I would really like to see RR establish some sort of AJAX functionality, and not with a bunch of strap-on external puppies either. However I'm afraid that will be a couple of years down the road first. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: USB/Serial issue
Sarah- Friday, December 1, 2006, 4:35:30 PM, you wrote: Did you try put the driverNames The drivernames is documented as being OSX-only. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
That could be, but as the discussion you pointed out mentioned, GWT didn't come out until six months after the Google guys were at Morfik's demo at the Web 2.0 conference last year. I believe that is admissible as evidence at trial if Morfik is indeed granted the patent they applied for. Yeah - who knows. I'm not partial to either side, but of course it all depends on whether Morfik actually tries to use a patent against Google. As a person who has owned several, that's exactly what I'm saying. The fact that both play music, and both have either flash or mini hard drives does not make them similar. The market seems to agree. I love an iPod as much as the next guy (and have owned two), but they are still similar products to other MP3 players. Sure I agree they are better, but yes - two products with the same hardware, same features, and competing for the same customer are as similar as it gets. How much similar can you be? But we digress... Are you in the Pioneers program? If you were then you would already have access to all of this. By the way, I didn't mean to spring this on anyone, but I checked earlier this evening on the cross-platform issues, so a) Safari is listed as a bug, and is in the to-do list b) OSX binary is listed as a bug and is in the to-do list, and the Linux compatibility issue listed as lab test, whatever that means. I can't tell you more since I'm not on the inside. No, because I don't want to join the pioneer's program in order to decide whether I'm interested in the product. They should really put up some more documentation on their website for all to see, IMO. This is probably mute for a lot of people because they have a free trial of the software, but it's Windows-only so I'm out of luck. I also found this nugget: Employees and affiliates of Morfik Technology's competitors are not eligible to access information or obtain materials pertaining to Morfik's WebOS AppsBuilder software, its testing, or applying for its testing, and disclosing and/or using such information in any way that compromises the confidentiality of Morfik's publicly announced information or compromises Morfik's competitive position. Violations of these conditions will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the law. Yikes. Sounds like if I joined the program and then wrote a Revolution-based AJAX / RAD add-on, there is a good chance Morfik would take me to court. No way I'm going to agree to a non-compete in order to join their pioneer program. Guess I have to pay $5k after all =). I agree that the vocabulary is difficult. Both they and Google throw around the word Compiler in a way that is completely unfamiliar to me, and I've written a couple (for example). Yep. I know Morfik isn't any worse than anyone else with the buzz words, I just universally hate them =). Bringing all of this back to the original discussion, I would really like to see RR establish some sort of AJAX functionality, and not with a bunch of strap-on external puppies either. However I'm afraid that will be a couple of years down the road first. I would too. I actually think it's a quite doable project. Not small, but doable. It doesn't hurt that we could live on top of the existing Rev IDE and object properties. So I guess we probably aren't going to agree on a lot of the Morfik points, but that's ok. Unfortunately if I work on a Revolution solution, it looks like we could end up in court if you help =P... - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
Brian, JavascriptCore and DOM support in general are slow and unreliable. Its gotten better in the last 10 months but Apples Javascript implementation is still not up to snuff when compared to Firefox or even IE. This is clearly evident on the webkit list and amongst a myriad of AJAX toolkits that support Firefox and IE out of the shoot and don't add safari support till months later. ACID2 compliance is certainly a measure of achievement but its definetely not the only yard stick worth looking at when we're discussing AJAX application performance. -- cb On 12/1/06, Brian Yennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with the Apple bashing, really? Mozilla is NOT the standard, the standard is the standard. Konqueror (on which Safari is based) is open source also, and no less compliant. Opera is probably the most compliant browser out there, and Safari was the first to pass the Acid2 test. There are no compliant browsers, period. Opera, FireFox and Safari all have high levels of compatibility but they aren't all the same. As a result, it still matters what browsers you test against. About the only certain thing is that you'll spend at least half of your time dealing with IE if you hope to be browser independent. Compliancy definitely has a lot of gray area because it's hideously complex to achieve, but saying that you'd expect Apple to produce something that nobody else has sounds like sour grapes. Even though it's a tired subject, it's also pretty hard to ignore the impact of IE pretty much destroying the efficiency of web developers seeking browser independence. Or... putting it another way... You'd think in this day and age, Apple would make Safari a compliant browser, especially since Mozilla Firefox is open source, works on Macs and complies to the latest standards (perhaps it may even be considered the standard at this point). Guess it depends upon one's viewpoint. ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Morfik
Brian, Not necessary to get all worked up. I was just responding to Stephen's comment about not working with Safari. And yes, here at Altuit we do have LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH SAFARI and Macs. In fact, too much. Turns out every darn dot release, Apple changes WebKit another bit and throws poor Chris back into 'fix' mode. Whereas our IE version of altBrowser hardly ever needed updating. So, I guess you can say my particular view of Safari isn't all that great. -Chipp On 12/1/06, Brian Yennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with the Apple bashing, really? ...saying that you'd expect Apple to produce something that nobody else has sounds like sour grapes. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
