OSX menubar with mouse button 3
How can I have the buttons which make up the OSX menubar, react to : mouseDown pButtonNr if pButtonNr = 3 then -- my script pass MouseDown pButtonNr end if end mouseDown If set as a button of a menu group in the stackwindow it works fine, but set as OSX menubar, it does not work. The normal menuPick code works fine, but I need to trap the mouseDown (with pButtonNr = 3). It seems that as soon as the buttons of the menu group are set to OSX style, a whole different game is played. But I don't see why. Thanks best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Help key
Is the 'help' key (on mac keyboards) a good idea? I am looking for a good key to invoke a special help function. If the user presses this key, then visual feedback by means of an image of a question mark will be displayed if the cursor is within an object that has this special help function. By clicking, the user will be taken to that special help part. I have considered the 'h' key, but it interferes with fields, meaning if the focus is on a field, it will write 'h' to the field. Function keys leave also a trace in a field (the square for unprintable chars). The control or command keys are being used for other things. The 'help' key (keyNr 268762986) can be trapped and does not do anything in a field, so it looks promising. I noticed that in other apps, if pressed, it shows a question mark, but not in my stack. (I can code for the question mark and all other stuff I need). I guess my question is : Does this key also exist on all Windows keyboards (or is there an equivalent) AND can I safely use the 'help' key in my app, so it does not interfere with anything that is there anyway. And will this work on all systems (I am on Mac), like XP, Vista, Windows 7 etc. If the 'help' key is not universal, would the Escape key be a solution? Or any other suggestions? Thanks a lot, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help key
Thanks Mark, Richmond Jim for your answers, My first try was with a combination of a modifier key and ?. But i'd like to use just one key for it. It is not for going to the general help, but only some objects do have this special help function, so the 'help key' has to work together with the mouse, meaning you move the mouse around and press the 'help key' and the question mark shows up, if your mouse is over an object that has this special help function. That's why I searched on. F1 (as some other F keys), will not work completely, as it leaves a square or an arrow down (non printable char) in the field if the focus is on a non locked field. That's why I had to abandon the 'h' key. What about F6, which does not seem to put anything into a field? Is it used for something on mac or windows? . Or does anyone else have another idea? Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cpomplex numbers
Craig wrote : I think, like dividing by 0, you cannot take square root of -1 in rev. So there goes i. No roots of any negative number in fact. I don't think it is in the SANE world, if that is even still used. Probably not. Hi Craig, Rev does not need to be able to get the square root of -1 (or any negative number) to be able to do computations with Complex numbers. A complex number consists of a real part and an imaginary part : E.g. 3 + 2i where 'i' is the unit for the imaginary part. Now I can easily add another complex number to this one : (3 + 2i) + (7 - 8i) = 10 - 6i. The real parts are added and the imaginary parts are added. Same goes for subtraction. Also multiplication and division are simple. Powers and higher roots are a bit more tricky and I guess logs etc as well. I have made a start with a library, but was thinking if someone has done this before, it would free some of my time for the things I want to use the lib for. I use the complex numbers to make transformations in the complex plane and Rieman sphere (Fractals, Möbius transformations etc.). By the way, dividing by 0 in the realm complex numbers results to infinity. (That's what I always suspected in high school, but the teacher wouldn't budge). Vice versa, if there is anyone who wants to have what I have up till now as library for this, I am glad to share. In the meantime, I still hope someone has made a library before me. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Complex numbers
is there anyone who has written a library for computations with complex numbers and is willing to share that with me? It would me much appreciated. many thanks, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Behaviors
George wrote : If you leave out the first handler, Beat, other controls that DON'T override the behavior will get no mouseUp behavior at all! George, I see what you mean. In my case all the buttons that have the behavior, have a mouseUp script in themselves with different code from button to button. So I need the mouseUp in all of my regular buttons. That's why I can leave it out in the behavior script, in my special case. But you're right, in general the mouseUp will be needed in the behavior script. Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Behaviors
Beat wrote : A couple of btns have a behavior (DoA) assigned for mouseUp. Now one of the buttons has an additional task to perform on mouseUp (DoB). 'DoA' needs to be done before 'DoB'. Mark Wieder wrote : Use the dispatch command in the behavior object: on mouseUp DoA dispatch DoB end mouseUp Thanks Mark. The problem is though that the 'DoA' is in the behavior script inside a 'mouseUp'. The script of the behavior button : on mouseUp DoA end mouseUp Because my button to click also has a mouseUp, it will not reach the mouseUp handler in the behavior script. It only does if I 'pass mouseUp'. But then the order is wrong (I can only 'pass mouseUp' at the end of my mouseUp handler in the button to click, so after DoB has been executed. But the behavior script (with DoA inside the mouseUp) needs to run first. Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Behaviors
Thanks for your answer Trevor. It works good. I found that it can be even 'easier' : The first part (on mouseUp pBtnNum) of the Behavior Script is not even needed. === Behavior Script === on mouseUp pBtnNum -- This handler can be left out. _mouseUp pBtnNum end mouseUp command _mouseUp pBtnNum -- This handler alone will do the trick DoA end _mouseUp I start to get the idea of behaviors. They behave like commands or functions, but can be accessed from everywhere and are restricted to act only in response to certain objects (the ones with that behavior assigned) with a certain message (like mouseUp). So the commands and functions can be more specific, less general than say in a library . Great. Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Behaviors
I started to use Behaviors today and ran into two things : 1. I have a behavior assigned to a couple of buttons and some label fields. The script of the behavior button is : on mouseEnter set the uVraagteken of stack Timer-general_Lib to true end mouseEnter on mouseLeave set the uVraagteken of stack Timer-general_Lib to false end mouseLeave Now all of a sudden this 'behavior' is all over the place. This 'behavior' is also excecuted when I mouseEnter a graphic or a button which has the behavior removed. Even with a freshly created button. And it is the script in the behavior button, because if I comment it out, nothing happens. What is the matter here? For a while it worked ok. 2. A couple of btns have a behavior (DoA) assigned for mouseUp. Now one of the buttons has an additional task to perform on mouseUp (DoB). 'DoA' needs to be done before 'DoB'. This works, but is the wrong order : on mouseUp Do B pass mouseUp -- to activate the behavior end mouseUp I can't do it with 'send in Time' because the behavior (DoA) will exit to top in certain conditions. I have come up with the inelegant solution : (especially if mouseDown has already a script). Any better ideas? on mouseDown mouseUp -- activates the behavior DoB end mouseDown on DoB -- do what is needed end DoB Any better ideas? best, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: set the textStyle not to bold
I think I have found an elegant solution. My brother had an excellent idea to do something with another field behind my field. So I made a second field B (same size) behind my original fld A. The topfield A has the blendLevel set to 15. I made a script which mirrors everything I type or delete in fld A in fld B. So the two flds always have the same content. (I still have to mirror the textStyles). Now to mark a piece of text, I set the backColor of fldB to black. It shines thru a bit because of the blendlevel of 15 of fld A. Now I can still select pieces of text in fld A and see what I have selected. And I can see which parts of the text have been 'marked'. It works fine, even with parts that overlap marked and selected text. Thanks for all the ideas, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Printing text wider than A4
Hi you all, I'm in search for a solution to print text that runs wider than a landscape A4. The normal printing commands work for printing text where the number of lines is more than an A4 can carry. The rest is printed on a second etc. page. But with text that extends the width of a (landscape) A4, the text that extends does just not print. I would expect that it would print on a second page, especially as I can choose the order of printing of the pages in such a case in my printer dialog. I need something which does not wrap my lines. The line should print on at the same line number on the next printed page. Anyone any ideas? Beat, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing text wider than A4
Richmond wrote : Well, let's see: Is this on Win, Mac or Lin, or cross-P? On my G4 Mac I just popped this into a button: on mouseUp set the systemPrintSelector to true answer page setup end mouseUp and it took me straight to the system printer preferences where I was able to choose an A3 setting. I am sorry Richmond, I did not explain very well. I mean to print on A4 pages (landscape) but move to a second page as the text gets wider than A4. So the first part gets printed on page 1 and then if there is text that is wider than A4, it will get printed on page 2. Etc. It is for cross-P. Best, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Watch Session I of Professional Application Development With Revolution
Trevor wrote: A recording of the RunRev sponsored session of Professional Application Development with Revolution has now been posted on our website. The recording and other materials are available at the following url: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/revproappdev/ watch-session-i-organizing-for-success/ I have followed the whole 4 session course and found it extremely useful. Lots of problems I had been struggling with have become clear to me and my apps have a much more solid foundation now. All of the subjects which involve the code that 'surrounds' my own specific code have been covered in my view and by using the free 'GLX Application Framework' I have the foundation that I need for my apps. Trevor explains really well and there is plenty of room to ask questions, also afterwards by mail. For me it was worth every dollar. I can highly recommend the course. best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : set the textStyle not to bold
Richard wrote : I've tried using graphics for things like that. Seems like fun at first, until you need to wrap across different lines. Then you need to handle different textHeights. Then you pull out all your hair. ;) One of the cool things about htmlText is that it's designed as the one way to have complete fidelity for reproducing a field's contents, style runs and all. So conceivably you could add in tags for backgroundcolor of the text runs you want visually distinct. It can take a bit of clever parsing to get it right, but check out the optional third param for the offset function in the dictionary - it's a godsend for parsing tasks like this. To see the format of htmlText, style some text in a field how you want it and run put the htmlText of fld 1 in the Message Box. Everything you can do with a field can be represented in htmlText, so conversely you can do anything to htmlText that you can do to a field. Thanks Richard, you're right. I had come across it last night when I was trying it with a graphic. I will dive into the html and use it's tags for changing the backColor. Great! best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: set the textStyle not to bold
I don't think my answer made it to the list, so I try again . Thanks Richard Bj?rnke, Richard wrote : You can use an anchor tag with no href and it will not show as underlined, but can store arbitrary textual data in the anchor tag's name attribute. ... ... This allows you to use anchor tags to stash info for specific runs of text without altering the appearance of that text. Thanks Richard, this is really a nice way to do this. I can use this for associating the position of the start- and end characters. The thing for me is, that, as long as I am working on the text of the fields, I need to visually see which texts have a reference. the visual help should not interfere with the textStyles of that field. That's why I went back to setting the backColor of that part of the text instead of using a TextStyle for it. But as I said, the editing becomes harder, as I don't get to see my selection (the selectionColor is probably behind the backColor). I'd like to see the backColor of the 'marked' textparts and on top the selectionColor of the parts that I have selected (best in 50% blend mode). Would that be possible? Maybe with a graphic that follows the selection, 'floating' behind the field and setting the field's blendlevel to 15% for the time of editing? Although I am sure there is a more elegant way. Best, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re: set the textStyle to not bold
Thanks for all your input. Interesting to get to know some more about HTML. But I think I have to approach what I want from a different angle. I want to mark some parts of a formatted text and be able to get the star- and end character positions of these parts of the text. When I delete or add text, the character positions of the marked text must adapt. So when I am done, I have the exact char positions of all the marked text. The marking should be visible during the adding and removing of text parts and be thrown away in the end. Now boxed is clear and does in my case not interfere with other textStyles in the field. But applying box to a already formatted text is very unpredictable. Sometimes the f.i. bold part stays bold when applying box, sometimes it changes to plain. I have been thinking about 'link' text (which has the advantage of easily linking some info with it. But the style is like underline, so not usable for me. I think I go back to setting the backColor of the parts I want to temporaly mark. I can then check the start- and end char positions easily. The disadvantage is that you don't see the selection in the parts with a backColor set. Anyone an idea on how to resolve this? Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: set the textStyle to not bold
Craig wrote : The proffered scripts all necessitate that the original text, likely from a field, be manHandled word by word. This is because text in a variable does not retain the textStyle of the source. But don't I remember that there is a way, or a gadget, that holds the style along with the raw text? The only reason it might matter is speed; a lot of getting and setting goes on in the solutions offered. It might be worth it to put massive amounts of text in a variable and process there, returning the new styled text to the field in one put. Seems like I saw this somewhere... then Paul wrote : This would be a way to follow Craig's suggestion: put the htmlText of fld 1 into temp replace b with in temp replace /b with in temp set the htmlText of fld 1 to temp I didn't really think in the HTML direction, because speed in my case is of absolutely no importance. I guess the little pitfall I pointed out above also applies to this script. I was originally thinking of checking and setting the textStyle of each char (like Devin and Paul did on words level). Then I hoped there would be a cleaner way. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: set the textStyle to not bold
Devin wrote : repeat with i = 1 to the number of words in fld thefield get the textStyle of word i of fld thefield if it contains bold then replace bold with empty in it replace ,bold with empty in it replace bold, with empty in it set the textStyle of word i of fld thefield to it end if end repeat Thanks Devin, it works partly. First I added 2 lines which actually do the same as yours intended, but did not work (maybe I should have set the wholematches to true). Anyway, the principle works in so far that sometimes I get 'mixed' as TextStyle (in case of 'link' text). I also need to come up with something for the empty spaces between the words. Sometimes the 'box' style (which I actually use instead of bold) does not get removed between words. repeat with i = 1 to the number of words in fld A get the textStyle of word i of fld A if it contains bold then replace bold with empty in it if char 1 of it = comma then delete char 1 of it if char -1 of it = comma then delete char -1 of it set the textStyle of word i of fld A to it end if end repeat Paul wrote : I replaced 'bold' with 'box' as it also shows better if it has not been removed from the spaces between words repeat with i = 1 to the number of words in fld A get the textStyle of word i of fld A if it contains box then replace box with plain in it set the textStyle of word i of fld A to it end if end repeat Your script works as well as Devin's and also has the same 'shortcoming' of not removing the style between words. I tried it out with checking and setting on character level. That works for 'bold', but it does NOT work for 'box'. The reason is that the textStyle returned from a char which is box and bold and underline is only box. So replacing 'box' with plain throws away the bold and underline as well. The solution Devin offered is better in this respect. By replacing the 'box' with empty leaves the other style settings untouched (although they do not show up in the variable it). So for the moment I will go for Devin's solution, but on a character level. Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: set the textStyle to not bold
Jacqueline wrote : Your script works as well as Devin's and also has the same 'shortcoming' of not removing the style between words. I haven't tested it, but it seems to me that you don't need to iterate through any chunks at all if you replace the entire htmltext as a whole. Try someothing like this: get the htmltext of fld A replace b with empty in it replace /b with empty in it set the htmltext of fld A to it That should catch all instances regardless of where they are, and would be faster than using a repeat loop. How I love this revTalk : there is always a smarter way to do it. I will test this out, only tomorrow I'll be out. So first thing monday morning. Thanks, Jacqueline. best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
set the textStyle to not bold
Hi all, I have a field with text with different textStyles. Now I just want to remove the bold (or any other) textStyle from that field. So leaving all the underline, italic. box etc textStyle parts in order. set the textStyle of fld X to not bold is accepted by the editor but throws an error at runtime. Probably because not bold equals false and you can't set a textStyle to false I could write a handler which checks the textStyle of every char and removes the bold, but I guess there is a more easy way. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
(no subject)
Trevor wrote : Otherwise as long as you have 1 column in your data grid tabbing will just work by default. I just tested by: 1) Dragging a data grid table onto a new stack 2) Adding two columns worth of data 3) Double-clicking on column 1 to edit 4) Pressing tab key. I had also tested it this way. I have just done it again with another new mainstack. But the result is different from what you get. At step 4) the open cell closes, but the next cell does not open. I then replaced the dataGridLib.rev in my Toolset with a fresh copy I had downloaded and now it works as it should. It has happened before to me that the dataGridLib.rev somehow got a bit off and after replacing it was ok again. I didn't think it would be the case this time as all other datagrid stuff worked beautifully. So problem solved, best, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tab for next cell in DataGrid
Thanks for your kind answers, Trevor. On Sep 20, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Beat Cornaz wrote: I repacked an application into the GLX framework and made new datagrids. Now the TAB button does not move from an open cell to the next cell and open it anymore, as it did in my older copy (pre GLX framework of this application). How can I get that behavior back? The Tab now closes the open cell and that's it. Trevor wrote : The GLX App Framework won't affect tabbing in data grids as it doesn't process any tabkey messages. Is it possible that an error is occurring in a CloseFieldEditor/ ExitFieldExitor or OpenFieldEditor message in your data grid? I don't think that an error is occuring, as a test datagrid also has the same behavior (does not open the next cell on tabbing). I want with the insertion point in an open cell, with a tabKey open the next cell on the same line (and close the one that was open). So fill in a cell, hit tabKey, fill in next cell, etc. Is it a custom property I have to set? I don't think so, as I have not found it. So I tried to write a handler in the datagrid grp script (see below). I am sure that this is easy, but after a long search and many trys, I just can't find the last bit. I have the following handler, which works ok. I only need now to get the Column name of the open cell. How will I do that? dgHilitedLines gives me the LineNr, but how to get the name of the Column of the open cell ? on rawkeyDown tkey if tkey = 65289then -- tabkey get the dgHilitedIndexes of grp datagrid 1 put it into tLineNr -- HOW to get the Column Name of the open cell ?? -- for now to test the rest put Col 2 into tCol -- set the dgHilitedLines of grp DataGrid 1 to tLineNr dispatch EditCell to group DataGrid 1 with tCol, tLineNr -- et voila : on tabKey the next cell is opened end if pass rawkeyDown end rawkeyDown Many thanks warm greetings, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
close a DataGrid
I want to close an open cell (field) in a datagrid dispatch CloseFieldEditor to grp DataGrid 1 -- does not work. This does not work either : put the long id of the target into tFieldEditor -- the target being that field dispatch CloseFieldEditor to grp dataGrid 1 with tFieldEditor I don't seem to find how to do it in the manuals and the older postings in this group. Thanks, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
tab for next cell in DataGrid
Hi, I repacked an application into the GLX framework and made new datagrids. Now the TAB button does not move from an open cell to the next cell and open it anymore, as it did in my older copy (pre GLX framework of this application). How can I get that behavior back? The Tab now closes the open cell and that's it. Thanks for any help, Best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid speed problem
Trevor wrote : To work with data grids and a splash stack you need to trigger the inclusion of the data grid when you build a standalone. I would remove the revDataGridLibrary as a substack of your main stack and take a look at the last two steps in this lesson: What Do I Need to Do To Deploy a Standalone With A Data Grid? I read the lesson but needed to do it a bit different as I already had a Splash (= Mainstack) with 30 substacks. When I added a datagrid to one of the substacks, a stack called Data Gris templates 1243450502445 got added as a substack of my Splash(mainstack). I made 3 different Datagrids on 3 different substacks. Now this stack Data Gris templates 1243450502445 contains 3 cards corresponding to the 3 datagrids which are in 3 separate substacks (so on the same hierarchical level as the stack Data Gris templates 1243450502445). I think this would be the normal situation. One mainstack with several substacks, one of them being the Data Gris templates 1243450502445. But this setup makes standalones where the datagrids do nothing. Now I had to separately add the revdatagridLib as a substack of my Splash (mainstack), otherwise the datagrids do not work in the standalones. If I remove the revdatagridLib (as a substack), the datagrids stop working in the IDE. After quitting Rev and opening the stack again in Rev the Datagrids work again in the IDE. But making a standalone yields a version where the datagrids again do not work. If I include the revdatagridLib as a substack of my Splash (mainstack), then in the standalones, the datagrids do work, but slow. I started to use the GLX framework and I will move this project into the GLX framework and see if the speed problem is solved. Thanks again for your answer, Best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: datagrid speed problem
Addendum : maybe I should mention that in the 'General pane' of the 'Standalone Settings' I use 'Select inclusions for the standalone application' and do NOT use the 'Search for required inclusions when saving the standalone application'. IMHO the normal revdatagridLib does not get found by the standalone builder. That would be why the revdatagridLib is required as a separate substack in this case. best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: datagrid speed problem
Hi Trevor, I am on daily digest for the user group, so I cannot see any response until this afternoon, but I have found that when I add one of the substacks with a datagrid to the GLX framework, the speed is up to normal again. I get now the same speed results as with the 'Test speed datagrid' stack I had made for comparing. So the thing that is different in my view is the mainStack with the engine. I can't help but thinking that it has to do with this original mainstack being created in 2.9 and now I use as a mainstack the GLX framework mainstack (created in 3.5). I will add now the other stacks of my project and test if the speed stays up to par. I am very happy with your GLX framework. It gives me the confidence that at the basic level things are solid. Now I can only mess up on the visible level, which is my code :-) How soon you'll reckon the 'auto update' stuff will be added? That would be fantastic. I am also looking forward to your new course. Best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
GLX and dataGrids
Hi Trevor group, Having resolved the Speed problem with the datagrids, I ran into a new one. The datagrids do not work in my standalones, made from the GLX framework. I made a new stack with a new datagrid. This newStack has gotten a substack called data Grid templates . So far so good. The standalone build from this stack is working - the datagrids behave like they should. Now if I make this same stack part of my GLX frameword application, the datagrid does work in the IDE, but not as a standalone. In the standalone, I can get to the newStack with the datagrid, but the datagrid does not respond to anything (including dubbleclick on a cell with a name in it). I already have installed a new version of rev 3.5, but that didn't help. I have no clue as to why. Also, I noticed that the stack data Grid templates has two cards (I only have 1 datagrid) : one card has only a grp with a fld in it and the second card has besides the the grp with a fld also a second grp called 'Row template' (with a label and a background) and a button called 'behaviour script'. This second card seems to me in order, but why the first card? Thanks again for your help, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: GLX and dataGrids
back again : I made a datagrid in the mainstack of the GLX framework application as well as in an associated stack from within the GLX framework (as opposed to add an existing stack with a datagrid to the GLX framework) and in the standalone version the datagrids do not function either. A standalone from a single mainstack with a datagrid on it does work. best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Where to place (sub)stacks?
I am completing my first commercial standalone and I am unsure of where to place the (sub)stacks on the user's machine. The stack consists of a splash (main stack) with about 30 substacks. Some of the substacks display data which is changed by the user and needs to be saved. Now, where do I put my stacks on the users machine? Until now I put the whole package (main stack + all substacks) into the Application Folder. But I heard that this might cause problems (i.e. in Vista) because some setups do not allow to write to files in the Application Folder. Is it a good way to place those substacks that need writing to, into the Application Support Folder? If so, how do I do that with the installer? I got help from Lars Bremer with the Inno Setup Installer, which works great, but places all (sub)stacks into the Application Folder. How will I solve this? Are there any other things that I need to be aware of? To be honest, I am a tad nervous, as I got into contact with someone who wants to distribute my product big. I am not completely done (I found out) and he wants to move quick. I did not do extensive testing on different systems, just OSX 10.4 and Windows XP 2000. How will I make an installer for mac OSX? Thanks a lot for any help. Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Datagrid speed problem
Hi group Trevor :-) I have a significant speed difference in my datagrids. I noticed that the datagrids behave slow in my project. So I did a test and created a new main stack (test Speed) with a similar datagrid (same number of columns and labels) and ran the same two sripts I use in my substack in my project. One script is putting a name from an input field (after a test for the first free index in the datagrid) into column Client. The script takes 127 ticks in my project and 34 ticks in stack test Speed The other script imports a bunch of names and associated tasks from a field. Again the speed difference is remarkable : 505 versus 184 ticks. Another problem which might be associated with it is the following : I have originally started this project in rev 2.9 and only when the datagrids came along I upgraded to rev. 3.5 (because I totally dislike the new editor :-( ) and implemented the datagrids. I noticed that my datagrids only work if I separately include the revdatagridLib as a substack. So it is there twice (once in the engine and once as a substack). If I don't do that, the datagrids show, but have no functionality. Also, the revdatagridLib as a substeacks tends to 'escape' from my mainstack, meaning that all of a sudden it is still there, but as a mainstack, and not as a substack. I suspect the two problems are related and have their cause in the project being started in rev 2.9. Rebuilding the whole project in 3.5 would be far too much work. Thanks for your help, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Where to place (sub)stacks?
Tiemo and Klaus, thanks a lot for your excellent suggestions. I have a clear idea now of how to do this in a safe way. It's funny how one stumbles onto unsuspected stuff with the first 'real' application that I am making. Learning a lot :-) Thanks , Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid speed problem
Trevor wrote ; I would need to see some code to get an idea of what might be the cause. Can you provide the relevant portions and look for any differences there might be between what is going on with the main program data grid and the speed test data grid? I will check into this again tomorrow and see if I can get some more info for you on it. I will try to loosen the substack with the slow dataGrid from the mainstack and see if the problem persists and send you that substack along with the new fast teststack. I don't think that bringing a 2.9 project into 3.5 would cause these sorts of problems. You should only have one instance of the revDataGridLibrary in memory at any one time. Can you explain a little more about how your project is set up and what stack you are building the engine (standalone?) with? I needed the extra revDataGridLibrary, because otherwise the datagrids in my stacks do not work. They are there, but nothing happens. As soon as I include the extra revDataGridLibrary as a substack, I get the functionality of the dataGrids. When I loaded the extra revDataGridLibrary into memory, I was asked to purge it and I clicked 'OK'. Then I made this revDataGridLibrary a substack of my mainstack. My project is set up as follows : mainstack (splash) with the engine 30 substacks, with 3 of them containing a dataGrid. The speedtest I did was as follows : I compared a substack with a dataGrid on it with a newly made mainstack with a similar dataGrid (same number of columns, labelnames etc). I used the same handler to import a list of tab cr delimited data , like : Client1 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 cr Client2 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 tab Task4 cr Client3 tab Task1 tab Task2 tab Task3 The speed difference was quite big. Trevor, once again, thanks a lot for your patience and good advice. Klaus major wrote : There are problems when you open a stack (with behaviors) with a version 3.5 and save this stack. After opening this stack again with version = 3.5, all behaviors are gone! Just a hint, has probably nothing to do with your current problems! I kinda can imagine that this happens. Probably an earlier version does not recognize behaviors and sort of strips them off. So opening again in 3.5 will not find them anymore. I think also other unsuspected things might happen by saving in an earlier version. I always make a copy when moving up to a new version. Best, Beat Cornaz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: active stack
Thanks Beranard, Malte and Mark for your suggestions. I will try them and see which will fit best. Just to answer Bernard Malte's questions : Stack A and B and Indicator are all substacks (all the stacks mentioned are normal substacks, except the 'Indicator' which is also a substack, but has the systemsWindow set to true). Thanks guys, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
active stack
I have a mainstack with several substacks. One of the substacks is a tiny 'Indicator' and I have 'set the systemWindow of stack Indicator to true'. So this stack floats above everything else. I have a button to go from substack A to substack B. I have - go stack B - in the script of the button. Clicking the button does make the substack B appear, but it has not become the active stack. Only if I click in the substack B it becomes the active stack (and gets the proper menu in Mac OSX). All works fine if I close the stack Indicator. So, what commands do I use to make the stack appear and become the active stack with the indicator open?. Toplevel does close the stack first (i don't want that) and does not work either as I can remember. Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Datagrid Bug?
I encountered a strange behavior of the datagrid. Actually two times a similar, but not identical kinda lockUp of a cell(s). 1. In the IDE, suddenly a cell of my Datagrid stayed 'open', meaning the 3D layout, as when you select a cell for editing. It would not close anymore. I can't remember if I could enter anything into it. I was struggling with other stuff at bthe time, so I threw the datagrid away and made a new one. 2. yesterday, in a Windows standalone, I had a similar, but slightly different lockUp of cells. Moving from cell 4 of a line in the Datagrid to the next cell (entering names), arriving at cell 5 the strange behavior started. I could type into cell 5, but after leaving cell 5, the entered name had disappeared. It was still available to my script, so it was internally stored, but not visible anymore. The same was true for all other cells after cell 5. Also for the other lines, which I made after it had happened. Up till cell 4 it was ok, cell 5 and up the same as with the first line. A additional thing is, that the order of the data I call has changed. The data from cell 1 to 4 are in the order of the datagrid, but the data from cell 5 etc. are placed in front of the data from cell 1 to 4. After restarting the standalone, this behavior persisted. A slightly related question : after entering data into a cell, how do I close the cell by script. I have scripted a click somewhere outside the datagrid, but that is not very elegant. Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Datagrid Bug?
Hi Trevor, Trevor wrote : .Is this a stock data grid with no code added or are there any of your .scripts that are processing data that is entered? It is a stock datagrid, with external scripts for retrieving the data. It has two label flds in the datagrid template, but they do nothing. I have set the labels of the columns and disabled sorting of all columns but 2. I used the following script, which is placed in the grp datagrid 3 on SortDataGridColumn pColumn if pColumn = SortNr then pass SortDataGridColumn -- SortNr and Klant are column names if pColumn = Klant then pass SortDataGridColumn end SortDataGridColumn Out o fcuriosity, what is the sequence of events that requires closing the editor by script rather than waiting to save until the user presses return/enter or focus leaves the field? Closing by script is a safety : after the user has entered data into the Datagrid, s/he goes back to the mainstack by clicking a button. If the user clicks this button without closing the last cell of the Datagrid (by pressing enter), then the script does that for her. Thanks again for your help, Trevor. Really great ! Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to put a minus in menu
Thanks Devin Richmond, Devin wrote : You could try using an en-dash instead of a hyphen. I have no idea what an en-dash is (nor does my dictionary). can you please explain it to me , Devin? Richmond wrote : Try Hex 2013 / Decimal 8211 set the useUnicode to true This works fine and also will overcome the platform differences. Great. Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to put a minus in menu
What a great explanation, Devin. It is more than I paid for :-) I never realized how deep this typography goes. All those little nuances. Great. I find it very interesting and I know now who to turn to if I meet a problem in this area :-) Richmond wrote : If one could be bothered one could probably draw up a table of unicode references to characters such as -, + and so on that caused cross-platofrm problems. That would be very handy indeed. Maybe there is something like that on the web. Thanks again guys, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to put a minus in menu
Thanks Joe and Klaus, but with the minus sign the back slash does not work. I still get the separation line if minus is preceded by back slash. The backslash works otherwise, but not for the minus sign. I had found the solution with the empty space, but it is not neat. So Klaus, your enhancement request is supported. greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid problem in standalone
on june 9th Trevor wrote : After quitting Rev you should backup and replace the revdatagridlibrary.rev stack in the ./Toolset/ folder of your Rev installation with the stack I sent you. The IDE will use this stack when it launches and when it builds the standalone. I had done that already and the problem persisted. Only after separately loading the new revDatagridLib and including it as a substack it worked. In fact, this revDatagridLib is present twice - once inside Revolution and once as a substack which I created. For me this works, as it probably has to do, as I already wrote, with the fact that this project has been started on pre 3.x version of Rev. Thanks Trevor, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to put a minus in menu
How do I put a starting minus (e.g. -4) in a menu item? The minus gets interpreted as a separation line and nothing I tried worked. Also in the manual there was nothing. Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid problem in standalone
I have just read the lesson, but it is not totally clear. From what I understand, is it important that the substack Datagrid templates is existent. In the standalone settings of page 2of the standal=one settings ( Stacks) I check the button : 'move Substacks to individual stackfiles'. Then I have selected my Main stack (Splash) and all of my associated substacks, including the right substack Datagrid templates. This Datagrid templates is present in the list of stacks. It still does not work. Any ideas? on 5 Jun 2009 Trevor wrote : But does you splash stack have the dud? I don't know exactly what happens when the standalone builder does it's thing but try following the instructions in the lesson and add dud stack to your splash stack. Does that work? Hi Trevor, I followed the instructions, but it did not work. After that I experimented a bit over the weekend and found the 'problem'. The substack Data Grid Templates 12343etc got created all right, so no need for the Data Grid Templates Dud substack. The reason why the datagrids did not work in the standalone is that somehow the revdatagridLib did not load all right. After opening the separate stack revdatagridLib that you've sent me, I was told that the stack already exists in memory and I choose the 'Purge' option. Now in the stacks in the standalone settings (card 2) I saw the revdatagridLib as a separate stack and after completing the standalone it works all right now. I suspect it might have something to do, that I started the project in a pre 3.x version and just recently - because of the datagrids :-) , I downloaded the 3,5 trial version, where I am completing the project. I absolutely don't like the new editor (that was the reason I stayed on pre 3.x), but the datagrids and multidimensional arrays are great. Now the datagrid works in the standalone. But I do not understand why it would not work in the beginning. Why do I have to explicitely load and include the revDatagridLib as it is already 'inside' of rev 3.5? Thanks again, greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Datagrid problem in standalone
I have trouble with the datagrids after having made a standalone. In the IDE everything wortks fine, but in the standalone the datagrids do nothing and cannot be edited or the column width being adjusted. In the inspector the 'allow editing' is on as well as changing the widths. When I make a fresh stack, put a datagrid on then it works in the standalone. So I deleted all my datagrids in my stack substacks and put in new ones from scratch. Then I made 4 columns and inputed 2 lines of data with the editor. Nothing more. Again, the datagrids work ok in the IDE, but no dice in the standalone. The datagrid templates are being created. I first thought there was something wrong. But now I do not have a clue. greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Datagrid problem in standalone
Devin wrote : I had the same problem. It turns out you need to make sure the revDataGridLibrary stack gets copied to the standalone. Trevor has a ScreenSteps lesson on how to build standalones with datagrids here: http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/ manuals/datagrid/lessons/3397-What-Do-I-Need-to-Do-To-Deploy-a- Standalone-With-A-Data-Grid- Thanks a lot Devin, greetinmgs, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid problem in standalone
Hi Devin, I have just read the lesson, but it is not totally clear. From what I understand, is it important that the substack Datagrid templates is existent. In the standalone settings of page 2of the standal=one settings ( Stacks) I check the button : 'move Substacks to individual stackfiles'. Then I have selected my Main stack (Splash) and all of my associated substacks, including the right substack Datagrid templates. This Datagrid templates is present in the list of stacks. It still does not work. Any ideas? Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid
Hi Trevor, thanks a lot for your very useful answers. 2. How do I set the number of columns by script? Set the columns property. It is listed on the properties page. I have overlooked this one at least 20 times, as I have looked in that section. I must have been looking for 'Number of' and overlooked the 'columns'. I am glad I found it and it works great. Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Datagrid again
on june 1 Trevor wrote : I'm not familiar with this problem but if you put together a simple test stack and send it to me offlist I can take a look. I have mailed you a test stack off list. Regards, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid again
Shao Sean wrote : I got bit by (I think) the same 'bug' as you.. What you need to do is to set the textStyle of the all the other elements to EMPTY (removes the bold).. thanks for your reply. I don't think that's the problem, as I clear out the datagrid and then fill the Datagrid (now all the records are in plain text) and then I want to make the last record in bold. Best, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Datagrid again
While still discovering more on the wonderfull Datagrids, also more questions have come up. I have a table Datagrid which gets filled up with data of different lengths, containing numbers. Now I want to make the bottom line (meaning the last record) in bold. It is the Totals all summed up. I started trying to set the first fld (first column)in the bottom line to bold put the dgNumberOfRecords of grp Datagrid 3 into maxNr set the textStyle of fld maxNr of grp Datagrid 3 to bold This works fine if all records are visible in the datagrid. If the data is too big, so only a part is displayed, then the field that gets bold will be somewhere in the second (or third) column, depending on how many records there are and how many fields are visible in the Datagrid. I first thought that just the visible fields are counted, but my results are pretty inconsistent. I am first trying to set the first field on the last line to bold, but sometimes 3 fields get bold or two. It seems totally unpredictable to me when I resize the Datagrid and run the lines above. So how can I achieve that only the bottom line (record) is bold when I completely scroll down? Another thing I noticed is, that if I leave 1 line blank (so only a cr in my data) and then have the line with the Totals, I can't scroll all the way down. I am unable to reach the last line. I solved this by putting in a 'space' on the empty line and then it works. I was wondering why this is necessary. I don't seem to find the way to change the border color of the datagrid. In the group inspector, there is a lot of colors to be adjusted, but not the border color. With the Datagrid in the 'form' fashion, it took me a little while to realize that all my new fields etc. which I created in the template have to be inside of the Row template GROUP. The manual does say it, but it is easily overlooked. Once I had that, it was a piece of cake. best regards, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
DataGrid
What a wonderful job, Trevor. It is truly amazing. Just 2 days ago a was pointed to the DataGrid. It helped me solve a problem I was struggling with for quite a while. Since I have bee playing with it andI worked through 2 months worth of list emails to dig out the questions on the Datagrids and was flabbergasted by the amount of time and energy Trevor put in answering all the questions. Now that's what I call support. Really awesome. I will use the Datagrid a lot. It's great to be able to learn more and more about the Datagrids. I just could delete one of my questions, because I suddenly knew the answer. I have studied the manual and the list, so I hope my questions have not been asked before : 1. Is it possible to print the content (including headers) of a Datagrid like printing a field. I mean so that the layout of the Datagrid is kept. This would be absolutely great. Of course I could 'Print card', but the quality is much less than printing text from a field. I am afraid it won't yet be possible, as it is not mentioned in the manual or on the list. 2. How do I set the number of columns by script? 3. Is it possible to drag a complete line in a DataGrid to a new position (custom hand sorting)? 4. How can I lock one column for editing, leaving the others free to be edited? dgProps[allow editing] seems to be a global prop. 5. Is it possible for a piece of text to overflow into the next cell if that cell is empty. If so, how do I do that? 6. How do I 'open up' a cell by script for the user to immediately type into it. I noticed that the Datagrid group stays 'grouped', also if I choose the inverse of 'select grouped'. While ordinary groups yield their parts, not so the Datagrid. I am wondering if the only reason is, that the user will not mess up the coordinates of the parts of the group, or is there another deeper reason behind? Trevor, I hope you have still some energy left to answer my many questions. much thanks for this great piece of work, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On 17 th ,march Kurt wrote : But we still need to create an actual file to be referenced by the QT player, right? We cannot, for instance: set the filename of player MyPlayer to the myMidiData of player MyPlayer [where myMididata is a custom property of the player MyPlayer in which the data of a complete MIDI file was previously stored] Why is that? meaning, why can't the Player get its data from a variable or a custom property? A file has to be read into memory as well, or am I missing something? Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
on march 18th Louis wrote : if there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. I think it is a very good idea, Louis. I would contribute as much as i can (moneywise and midi specs wise) for an external for realtime Midi. I do not know much about externals and cannot program in C or C++ , but know a bit about the Midi data structure. I have a handler for calculating the' variable length' for the delta times (duration to the next midi event) for instance. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Player and Midifile
As I have been unable up till now to figure out a way to do realtime midi, I have looked into the QT player again. When I load a standard midi file into the player, the player does play but gives no sound. The player does have a track and it is enabled. Studying Kurt's MidiPlayer, I see that Kurt does specify the midichannel(s) (midiChannelNoteOn and midiChannelNoteOff) and the instrument(s) used. Is it possible, as in a standard sequencer, to have the Instruments assigned globally. What I mean is, when I have a sequence in Logic, I can drag it to another track (another instrument) and it will play the new sound. The track determines the instrument sound, as well as the track does determine the midi channel. So what I am after is creating a midifile with several tracks. Once loaded into the player, I want to be able to change the instrument for a track (e.g. track 2 becomes a violin) without recalculating the midifile. Hi René : did you manage to play a midifile in a player yet? Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player and Midifile
René wrote : Hello Beat, Yes I do, I made a little stack that I can send to you if you want...? René Yes please do! Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Judy wrote : But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? I don't read midi fluently either :-) But with a function that does the job it is easy. If you need a function that translate times and notes to midi, let me know. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Louis wrote : I think 'limiting' it to MIDI, although handy in itself, would be no good when you want to deal with other types of music files/mixing and _having_ to use QT for that. Music/sounds are more than just MIDI: mp3, aiff, wav, flac, ogg, etc. I agree. Limiting to midi would not be good. But i think that midi is a totally different sort of animal than sounds. Midi are just instructions and the sounds you'll be hearing are dependend on the soundmodule, syntheziser, midi instrument or whatever thing that will receive your midi commands. As sounds, well everybody knows what sounds are. They are the thing themselves. So if we want to have better music capabilities in Revolution, we'll need to look at midi and at playing sounds. But I think it will be wise not to mix up the two. Personally I am mostly interested in midi, but wouldn't mind better ways of playing sound at all. Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Music duration
Hi René , I have been abroad and could not react earlier. Fortunalety Kurt has helped you out quite a bit. Maybe the following can be of use to you. The thing that took the longest time for me in the Midi code to 'crack' was the 'Delta time' , being the time to the next midi event (whether a Note on, Note off or Midi message). As the Delta time cannot be fixed into a fixed data format (it must be flexible tpo accomodate for long Delta times), the Midi format uses 'Variable Length coding', which can accomodate any Delta Time. As it is some years ago that I have coded my 'MakeMidiFile' script, I can't remember exactly how the Variable Length coding works, but I can send you the handler or post it here if someone else is ineterested. Another thing I remember, is that one of the Rev functions - baseconvert() or BinaryDecode() would not work anymore as the number to convert got too big. I have made a workaround. I just looked in my MidiLib, but could not find it anymore. Maybe it has been fixed in the newer Rev versions, as I tried big numbers and they converted just fine.But I realised that my MidiLib needs some serious cleaning up!! In a midi file (as Kurt already explained), some (Hex) stuff is always there, like the Header , Tempo, TimeSignature and Key. The actual data for the Tempo (e.g. 120) etc. is given by you of course (in Hex). Track 1 contains all this information and the actual notes start in track 2. (In any case in a midi file with more than 1 track). After you have the whole Midifile in Hex, you convert it to Binary (with BinaryEncode). Of course, the binary encode can be done earlier on, like after each Hex duplet or Hex part has been established (I think I remember Kurt does it that way). In the header of each track, you'll need the specify the length of the data of that track (the number of Hex digits in that track). So basically you have to convert decimal data (like noteNrs, velocity, duration etc) to Hex and the whole Hex data to binary. I can send you my MidiLib, so you can see how I have done it. I will have to clean it up before I send it, it's too messy, but it works fine. I have not yet experimented with the QT synth, as I was (am) aiming to directly address Logic. But I guess I will try with the QT synth as well, as my bigger goal is quite a challange it seems. In my MidiLib, there is also a handler to import a MidiFile. I use it to import from Logic, then make variantions of the theme in my Rev stack and make a new MidiFile which I drag into my sequencer. Don't let the dataformat of the Midi file get to you. It takes a while to get it. I have been 'struggling' with it for some months untill the handler finally worked. Bit by bit, you'll get to understand it better. I'll be gladly helping you, but unfortunately I don't have the time to read the usergroup's mails on a daily basis. I hope this helps some, kind regards, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Music duration
Kurt wrote : I can also cc to the list if anyone else expresses an interest in the subject (anyone?). Yes, Kurt, I am interested too! Thanks, Beat. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Externals
Randall wrote : In rev, are externals written to a reference VM so that they are only written once and can run on any platform? Or, do they have to be written separately to each platform? I am also very interested in externals in Rev. From little I know so far you need a different external, not only for each platform, but for each (major?) system version. To me this is understandable, as different systems work differently, so the interfacing part with the system needs to be different, as well as possibly the numbers and sorts of variables you'll be passing to/from that particular system. There is an excellent REV Tutorial on Externals : http://www.runrev.com/developers/tutorials/advanced-externals-part-1/ There is also a part 2. You can download the 'External Creator V3' stack which will create the external for you, if you have the compilation of the code (in C , C++ and others) done. I don't know if you can use Java. I managed to comple the first examp[le (rnahello) but get a compile error on the second example (rnaeffect) which I am not able to fix because my barely existing C knowledge. After exactly copying in the rnaeffect example from the tutorial I had some errors. Some had to do with the 'exeption handling', which I had to change in the preferences I think. Then I was down to 1 error, which persists. Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Image smaller 26 pixels dissapears
Mark wrote : This is a bug, it is being fixed. Perhaps you can create a slightly larger image and adjust the alphadata to make the top row and left or right column transparent. Thanks Mark. I'm glad to know it's a bug. I appreciate your suggestion , except in my case it would have consequences down the road. I use images with different colored 'cells' for musical Notes display. To speed things up, I first create the Image where each colored cell is just 1 pixel and has the right color. Afterwards I adjust the size of the image to f.i. 20x20 for each cell - so making the image 20 times as wide and high. If I use a transparant part, it will also enlarge. As this images is on top of a bigger image with cells, it will block the mouse clicks to the image underneath. As an alternative, I can make the original image like 4x4 pixels for each cell and enlarge it a factor 16 less. I at least know now, that I have to work around it. Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Image smaller 26 pixels dissapears/Sad news
I feels kinda odd to go on with the daily stuff, like asking questions during these days. I've seen Eric's name pop up and have recently gotten a trial version of his ListMagic. It is sad to hear about a member passing away, even more so as he is so much appreciated by everyone. It touches my heart to read all the messages, whishing his family strenth. I send my condolences to his family and friends. Jacques wrote : Did you think about using graphics instead of images ? If you use ovals, you can easily change their dimensions, background colors and loc as wanted. Afterthought: Music notes are ellipses, but slanted ones. Oval graphics cannot be slanted (to my knowledge). In an old and half forgotten stack, I used this script to define the points of a slanted ellipse graphic: Thanks for your reply. By Notes I didn't mean the 'Note Symbol' as in written music, more colored squares on a grid, represeting notes. Time being the horizontal axis and pitch being the vertical. Imagine a piece of graphic paper where you color some squares, which represent the notes. I think the traditional way of scoring has many limitations. (One being ruled by the number 2. To express a triplet you have to write some division by a power of 2 , being 1/2 ,1/4 ,1/8 or 1/16 and then have to write above that these are actually thirds). On a grid, it's also easier to see the (geometrical- and other-) transformations I am applying to the 'Notes'. I actually started out using graphics (rectagles) to represent the cells, but found that setting the imagedata of an Image is much quicker and not needing tens to hunderds of graphics. The slanted oval script might come in handy with something else. Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Core Midi
I have been away to where is no internet connection, so my apologies for the very tardy reply. 14 dec JB wrote : Just curious : why keeping this off-list ? I'm interested in that topic and would like to be involved in any follow-up, on or off-list... I honestly don't remember why I answered René offlist. You're absolutely right, it should be on list. Thanks, also to Rick for his response. Beat. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Core Midi
on dec. 13th Kurt Kaufman wrote : A more recent development: How about RTP-MIDI? This looks promising, and I would imagine that Apple has a detailed reference for the specification. In brief: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI#RTP-MIDI_Transport_Protocol Thanks very much Kurt. This looks promising. I just had a glance at the given link. I will need to study it some more, because there are some things I don't know about as yet in the article. I will look into the RTP-Midi seriously this weekend. Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Core Midi
Dec 13 Mark Wieder wrote : What you were talking about on the web forum is a way for Rev to communicate midi information to other *applications* running on the same machine in a generic manner, which is *quite* different from sending midi data over a cable. There are many ways of packaging up the midi info and sending it to other devices, but communicating with other applications is much harder, especially since you want to do this in a cross-platform manner. I would have thought it to be simpler to send Midi data from Rev to another application than through a port to another device. I would settle for the OSX platform for the moment. Would the IAC driver (in apples Audio MIDI setup) be an option? From within Logic I can see the bus of the IAC driver. The thing would be to get from Rev to the IAC driver. Does Revolution support CoreMidi? I understood from Mark Schönewille that Rev supports CoreImage and CoreAnimation. If it is much easier to send the Mididata through a midi interface to another device, I could connect a cable from the midi out to the midi in on my interface and voila I would be in Logic. But again, how to get from rev to my midi interface? I will look into your makeBoard stack. Thanks for your help, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Image smaller 26 pixels dissapears
If I set the imagedata of an Image to less than 26 pixels, the image dissapears from the screen. It still exists, has the right size (in the inspector) but is not visible anymore in the browse mode. In the edit mode, the image is visible if selected. on mouseUp put empty into tImageData repeat 25 put NumToChar(0) NumToChar(100) NumToChar(100) NumToChar(100) after tImageData end repeat set the width of img aa to 5 set the height of img aa to 5 set the ImageData of img aa to tImageData end mouseUp if I use more than 25 pixels (26*1 or 7*4) it is ok. The visible property in the inspector is still on. Setting the visible to off and to on again does not change anything. Any ideas? Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Re: Core Midi
Thanks Mark René for your reply. Sorry for not answering sooner. Sometimes things happen. René wrote : I am interesed with this question also, but I can't find your reply in the Dutch forum I replied some days ago on the dutch forum, as well directly to you Mark. I will reply to you René off list. If there are more people who would like to get involved in getting real time Midi data from and to Revolution going, please contact me and I will try to coordinate the thing. I have to say, that I will be in Switzerland for the next 4 weeks and only be able to check my mail on a weekly basis. After that, I'll be back on my spot. best, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Core Midi
Hi, how can I address the 'Core Midi'in OSX from within Revolution? Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
externals
I started to learn to make externals and got puzzled by the following, which is from the Rev tutorials - Externals 1. I don't understand the path order as suggested below, as this would mean that there are 'External' folders buried within 'External' folders 4 folders deep. I am sure that this is wrong, but how should it be? My guess would be : My Revolution / Externals/ Runtime/ Windows/ x86-32 Mac OS X/ Universal PowerPC-32 x86-32 -- FROM the tutorial : To do this, you will first want to build Release builds of your externals. In Visual Studio, simply choose the Release configuration from the drop-down list on the toolbar, while in XCode you need to switch to the build pane and choose one of Release, Release x86-32 or Release PowerPC-32. When you have done this, all you need to do then is copy them into appropraite places in your Documents folder for Revolution to pick up next time it is launched. This can be done by creating the following hierarchy inside the standard Documents folder: My Revolution / Externals/ Runtime/ Windows/ x86-32/ Externals/ Mac OS X/ Universal/ Externals/ PowerPC-32/ Externals/ x86-32/ Externals/ Then inside each Externals folder, put the appropriate build of the external along with a text file called Externals.txt. The externals.txt file is return-delimited list of pairs: , For example for rnahello on Windows the file should contains: Hello External,rnahello.dll Whereas on Mac OS X it should contain: Hello External,rnahello.bundle -- END tutorial Also this last bit is not clear to me : Does each Externals.text file contain : 1 line with comma the name of the external period bundle (or dll) ? What should the be and is the file a;lwys 1 line or more? If only 1 line, then why is the file Return delimited and if more lines, what to put in the other lines? Has anyone followed through with the example from the tutorial Externals 2 (rnaEffect) with success? I have done it 4 times now, but in Xcode 2.41 I keep getting 4 debug errors and and an additional 2 Release errors (which might be caused by the incorrect folderpaths (the first part of my question). Thanks for any help. Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sending midi data
Hi to everyone, I am working on several stacks to help people in composing music. The stacks create Midi files. In order to hear the result, I drag the Standard Midi file created by my stack, into Logic (my sequencer program). So far so good. Now I would like to send midi data in realtime, so I can hear the result from withing my Rev stack. Prefebly I do not want to use the QuickTime Instruments, as they are not adapted to everyone's taste. I would like to 'midi communicate' directly with Logic or any other sequencer program. So the questions are : 1. How do I write the Mididata to a buffer (and which buffer)? 2. How can I 'offer' the data in this buffer to the ' Midi Input' of Logic ? I hope there is someone on the list who can help me out here. If there are people who want my script for creating a Standard Midi file, they are welcome to ask me for it and I will send it to them. Thanks a lot for any help, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Complex Numbers binary fractions
Cubist wrote : function DecFrac2BinFrac TheFrac, ThePrecision # TheFrac is *assumed* to have nothing to the *left* of the decimal point # ThePrecision is *assumed* to be a positive integer # you can write the code to handle those cases yourself, if need be, right? if ThePrecision = or ThePrecision 1 then put 10 into ThePrecision # so the user can just supply a fraction and not care set the numberFormat to 0.# #you want to make sure there's a leading 0 before the decimal put . into Rezult repeat # yes, it's an infinite loop. the escape test will be inside it multiply TheFrac by 2 put char 1 of TheFrac after Rezult # because of numberFormat, char 1 here should be either 0 or 1 if the length of TheFrac ThePrecision or TheFrac = 0 then exit repeat delete char 1 of TheFrac end repeat return Rezult end DecFrac2BinFrac Thanks Cubist. I'm often surprised at the original ways of coding that show up in this group. I'm refering here to # because of numberFormat, char 1 here should be either 0 or 1. I want to point your attention to a little mistake: if the length of TheFrac ThePrecision or TheFrac = 0 then exit repeat I think it should read : if the length of Rezult ThePrecision or TheFrac = 0 then exit repeat I'm a bit surprised that no one has done anything with complex numbers. So I'll have to whip up something myself. If someone is interested, I'm willing to share the code (once I've coded it). mail me off list if you want to get it. Greetings, Beat -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Complex Numbers binary fractions
Hi, has anyone made a library for working with complex numbers? And is willing to share this with me? I'm also looking for some code to convert decimal fractions (i.e. 0.56384) to binary fractions. Thank you, greetings Beat. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Part border on image
I use images (in a rectangle form) as sliders to get a minimum and maximum value. I want to get a border at the bottom of the image (or at the top). I use images because of the blend property. The 3D border won't do, as it is bottom and right side. Of course I can introduce a separate line object to do the job, but I need to keep it as simple as possible, because it is getting already complex enough, without making groups with images and lines. Also : I don't understand the first to eight color. Doesn't that work with images? In the inspector of an image I can select colors for first color etc. but nothing changes . If I go back to the inspector of that image, the color I've chosen are gone as well. I can't manage do give a radio- or check button a color. The name, ok, but the button itself doesn't react to any color adjustment I make. Thanks, Beat -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev group
Hello, I am a member of the Revolution user group. I have been abroad and my mailbox filled up and reached it's limit and now I've emptied it, I don't receive any more mails from the Rev group. Please turn me on again to the group Thank you, B.Cornaz -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Documentation Books
Hi group, I've been working with Revolution now for a little while and I'm struck by the lack of documentation, or better the lack of good documentation. The supplied docs with revolution , I think are totally inadequate. With a search I either get no results or much too many. I've heard that Dan Shaeffer has a book out. Is it good and well organized. I come from Hypercard and the Hypercard reference manual is excellent and things are easy to find. is there some other books or docs available on Revolution. I found a pdf, but I think it just the Rev docs in pdf form. greetings, Beat. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Deleting a graphic
Hi active group, i want to create(cmd click) and delete (ctrl click) graphic objects. The problem is with deleteing. I cannot delete a object that holds the deleteing script. I don't know how to get the name of the object to delete in a card scrip without repeating to a lotta locations (of all the existing objects).I'm surev there's a cleaner way to do this. I want to delete a little oval by holding the ctrl key and clicking on the object to delete. greetings , Beat PS. The Bezier curve of Jim is really great. Thanks a lot. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Dragging and changing a curve (image)
Thanks Jim for your math on the Bezier curve. It is a little beyond me at the moment, but I have a friend who probably can help me out by explaining the math to me. I also found the Alejandro's site and downloaded the two Bezier functions. It turns out that they are in Metacard format, and I cannot open them in Revolution. Is there a way to solve this, cause I'd love to see how he has done it. Thanks, Beat -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Dragging and changing a curve (image)
I know that Alejandro has developed a bezier function for RR. It is very cool. If you want to just plot a known function, I would recommend my favorite graphics tool, Turtle Graphics. The code to implement TG is on my web site at http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ under Turtle Graphics. Jim Thanks Jim, your turtle Graphics works fine from what I've tried and is a valuable tool for me. It doesn't solve the problem I'm facing though. I want to be able to change the shape of a curve by interacting with it on screen with the mouse. At the same time I need to know the algebraic formula of the curve (the changed one (the new one)) in order to do calculations with it. Let's say I start out with y = 3x^0.9 + 12. As soon as I change the curve with the mouse, I need to know the new formula (f.i. y = 3x^1.2 + 33). The curve is just a visual rerpesentation of something on the screen, but needs to changed a lot. Of course I can do that with sliders (that's the way I do it now) but it would be so much neater to be able to click and drag-change the curve. I'm VERY INTERESTED in the Bezier function by Alejandro. Where can I get that one? ** If you keep your eyes off of your goal, you'll see mostly obstacles. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev. Books
Hello all, I'm happy with the Rev. program, but I am not so happy with the documention. Are there any good books on revolution.? What about the Dan Shafer books. Are they good (all 4 of them?). Is there a good reference guide available (either book or pdf)? What will you experienced Revolutionarists recommend. Thanks, Beat. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re : Editing Line graphic
Hi all, thanks for the warm welcome to your group and thanks to Martin, Mark Richard for their answers. Sorry about forgetting the Subject. My intention is to be able to click on a line and drag and resize and reposition it. With the tip to use 'the points' of a line (instead of the rectangle which I was using) it became a matter of half an hour to figure it out. e. I had posted this reply before, but it was held back by the moderator, because I had included my script and it had become too big. So if anyone likes to have the script, mail to me privately (with a clear subject) otherwise I might take your message for spam. Greetings, Beat -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[no subject]
Hello everyone, I'm new to Rev (coming from Hypercard) and I'm delighted with the many new possibilities of Rev. My question : I made a script to move and change direction of a line (a graphic). Works well until I want the former top to be beneath the former bottom. E.g. My line runs from bottom left to top right. Now I grab the top right side and drag it down. All goes well until the the top comes within 2 pixels from the bottom coordinate. I can't manage to go lower than the bottom, even if I exchange the bottom and top coordinates. What happens is that the line is horizontal now and moves down as a whole. The left side does not stay in its former location in de y direction but moves along (downwards) with the new bottom coordinate. It must be possible to do, as in the edit mode it is no problem to drag the top of the line in my example to a place below the former bottom. Thanks a lot for any answers, Greetings , Beat -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
