Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Keiichi, On 2/7/17 12:45 AM, Keiichi Fujino wrote: > I've submitted a proposal for Tomcat Clustering. > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6216/13474 Excellent! It will be great to see you at another ApacheCon! - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYnH/pAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYN40QAIvY58joX5sZSs7H+x3Spmgl lcRNdN5YQVuQrDC0tOx52CR0ad67T34lOrKbo+IZN2izeUc0hQa9A7xSnT4wTQA8 9YEj5uc9PCRAXp0C2hZCP8WYITP9Dm+Urcqxb5ruhy5fAUR6rq/BZVoRmpW7nokJ 8YcYBZ+ANJ5MzWREwB74SqC/K5sygrvl3fqwkmxrqzwrjLJ70HtDVZFj4eRfrCWb 7mS8MbPHuf3NDuTXawhM+mFbB1furda/rlCWw+gzx7GBIhGYrea0wv/EGY8tpvCR D22a+xHB765cv8h01LgG/k18xmKgYKEG47wSXwuu4hEzwMuFrQrJ1r7hLbNUUh21 C6zABT5xCBr38GdNgu1+1m46+pHgapjj9EDOOFw2zkvbLYx8GVwfyikzuMeSHfMI yaEKkX4zjtv/J6hQ8N5lxE+ClAt6knaJpSjRGlMxH+8pkFpEO0rB57uPpsT6pnKC DC/BvXNsGCxO57+ixJdFH276QpABmDCh/zTXD6qe9E2Fdv9riXypMx0XreHqlZ6q sDXjEcXtnJSqhXlX4Qm4hOS6oBK9ePK5tmjW4OZpsa7ClZHS9q3txDkGNlK3pvYa x9sjcs0Nh1rmdjvI/eUxuN3SxLEr/8987KaEoeYrq+7TMjZyc2tnCjOFj5Er87uS 5+eV6VTnmXcz8qkhyaua =itI2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Hi, I've submitted a proposal for Tomcat Clustering. http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6216/13474 > -- > Keiichi.Fujino > > >
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Coty, On 2/6/17 8:36 AM, Coty Sutherland wrote: > OK, I submitted a proposal for the linux packaging talk here > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/14925/13455 . I > can't update the Confluence page though. I've updated the page. Thanks, - -chris > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Coty Sutherland > wrote: >> Hi Emmanuel, >> >>> If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send >>> it to me and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. >> >> I haven't even started yet :( I need to block out some time to >> submit the abstract and start the presentation soon. If you can >> just give me a few slides on the basic layout of the debian >> distro I can add them to the presentation I create and then send >> it to you to review. If you'd rather add to my presentation >> yourself, I'll just send it over when I start working on it and >> we can go from there. >> >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Emmanuel Bourg >> wrote: >>> Le 1/02/2017 à 20:20, Coty Sutherland a écrit : I'm still planning to submit for the linux packaging talk (though I haven't heard anything else form the other distro maintainers), just haven't done it yet. I suppose I could volunteer for one of the others, I'll check the list. >>> >>> Hi Coty, >>> >>> If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send >>> it to me and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. >>> >>> Emmanuel Bourg >>> >>> >>> - - >>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYmIwjAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYhm8QAMOf04st28AWTzh7mXGZE5SV 7q9qXCU7JdhdIi/BGAhYBby/STdSuEDKmW1C0k8dTsS+R/hfMq+jfnrFJHtLvAvr SlkVj2bROJiU+hHu3rSjKTcrl+npBE6lukA3gYF9xU9OM3TiDhNL0eEadABAKJJY g1XKb1qU470JdOkY52dZNLgITg0JLSGmDmLm+cPZ9ix/dvDoxC2xBFZT7HpRtn0o ZGw2NMqJAR8eZIlNeTR0zd+sgogUoDCUW1+Swa6uD+3brpK6eFRLTvPOY+L9sklp jkqocXwP5/YDqqQlX/COTz4epXu/ZF3PfUqgaVtNlBThJ7tpE6NYtHy8+PgRMXfO ewo4mPQzzqnm3dhz3cRBVua9glFPPmCRGQsB2QYvQyhgmwC4QYkxItmXL+1cN4Z3 +s8FvarrWtvFu9h56T7MSc+N29vLLNp5UvRx4djPP7xGvLPFxM7GvqFd6A2wz/9D Kp7r/4UEFVzZYnDxdFduzT4KcswILsJru2rvYUAAJcyHlSdy0/cEGcofRJeZPORf 2uB7nre48GyZMpqvvt6OkTodiqj8Q+E05W3Ba2P5duhMEnWukItjR95T3x9y03FX ksZcbOQL9Bqgj3rNBDbTYFNnnnZHp2MiaCOErjlMyvhXN4SrUEmMXcGWisuetgSa OUN3Q1JwHzD2iSNPYXMP =mxOR -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
OK, I submitted a proposal for the linux packaging talk here http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/14925/13455 . I can't update the Confluence page though. On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: > Hi Emmanuel, > >> If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send it to me >> and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. > > I haven't even started yet :( I need to block out some time to submit > the abstract and start the presentation soon. If you can just give me > a few slides on the basic layout of the debian distro I can add them > to the presentation I create and then send it to you to review. If > you'd rather add to my presentation yourself, I'll just send it over > when I start working on it and we can go from there. > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: >> Le 1/02/2017 à 20:20, Coty Sutherland a écrit : >>> I'm still planning to submit for the linux packaging talk (though I >>> haven't heard anything else form the other distro maintainers), just >>> haven't done it yet. I suppose I could volunteer for one of the >>> others, I'll check the list. >> >> Hi Coty, >> >> If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send it to me >> and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. >> >> Emmanuel Bourg >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Hi Emmanuel, > If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send it to me > and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. I haven't even started yet :( I need to block out some time to submit the abstract and start the presentation soon. If you can just give me a few slides on the basic layout of the debian distro I can add them to the presentation I create and then send it to you to review. If you'd rather add to my presentation yourself, I'll just send it over when I start working on it and we can go from there. On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > Le 1/02/2017 à 20:20, Coty Sutherland a écrit : >> I'm still planning to submit for the linux packaging talk (though I >> haven't heard anything else form the other distro maintainers), just >> haven't done it yet. I suppose I could volunteer for one of the >> others, I'll check the list. > > Hi Coty, > > If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send it to me > and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. > > Emmanuel Bourg > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Hi Chris, I've submitted the proposal to: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/14951/13401 Any thoughts, sugestions are appreacated! I am planning to add my proposal to the wiki page [1], but not sure which section it should fit to. Support? Performance? Community? BTW, your two propsals seems mis-linked in [1], the links should be swapped... [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 Thanks, Huxing -- From:Christopher Schultz Time:2017 Feb 3 (Fri) 22:16 To:Tomcat Users List Subject:Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Huxing, On 2/2/17 9:59 PM, Huxing Zhang wrote: > Happy Chinese New Year! > > I am planning to submit a topic about the challenges tomcat faces > under high throughputs production systems, how we troubleshooting > issues under such scenarios and how we fix it. > > This is the first time for me to submit a proposal, therefore it > would be glad if someone can offer me help on finishing it. > > I am planning to submit the proposal today or tomorrow, any > suggestions will be appreciated. Go ahead and submit the proposal -- you can submit the slides later, so all you need is a 4-sentence abstract. I'd be happy to have a look at what you have so far (if you have anything), or to help you get started. Feel free to email me directly. - -chris > -- > From:Christopher Schultz Time:2017 > Feb 2 (Thu) 03:09 To:Tomcat Users List > Subject:Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon > > > All, > > On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > >> > >>> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > >> Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them >> all together here: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > >> >> I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this >> would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. > > Only 10 more days before the CFP closes: > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/progr am > > > /cfp > > I haven't seen anyone specifically mention that they had submitted > a proposal. I'm just really hoping that it's not markt and me > tag-teaming a whole day of presentations (again). > > I am certainly willing to help someone get started if they'd like > to do a presentation and aren't sure how to proceed. > > -chris > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYlJCnAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYPWMP/Rmkdn3rT+REEE/V7kY28JN2 Icvn6MbZP9hTH5tF+jr358bTSkgWRtQz6rhvmpFZwM29RodHa7wOP4/fTpw4mjpA BYCimDXXwvf/B3mV5W8ienX1Zm0TUhCEoodBLsrrEtz0OggYp+hYUSqQWm3WGHnm Wy3zPBzHVkzzlKb293Y8h5znyHMYHc/8giPevSQNaNXO2xYFBSQbE9k2v/y7bC6t UW9J2BudbeyeZw7BWZRaFWpTj4J/tlQHuSaBWvvWyaMsyo8Yb00OMJrZElFclg00 smRSZPN7qo/SRcQsS4KD3WdlCaMnAA9y/Em4f4ka3isHVaZzQLvvWorEWlSLYfoP E+O0qoOytxfwGmHbNKcJmVmPFDpkcRJEON5VpbZdCfgcwJEJOgps+8jsv4gfrI7p EwG0GcCmPEqYcAFnZcO1pkb5jGSO9QiBxsoqU0+EejXeZB/VXirzerGxbdaXy68b y9mBqHbKlEBDi0pNOirIvPnDZMMKht1+pY1TOBcFWGRGYPg9dROZsl/My88yT91j ZQ7YV/rSG1HuTcUpRTXaeXFq9s5Q5uwOlXlxXm2p6lv2QMyys/OKQxFPXNDFyubQ Aeg08N0FtRvp0YJVOYfqy5KCj1CyH2XvxdlOkvfYsjES6Mmr8P1qlrYgtl+AO6PA 1rJugsSZTGwcjBBZNZ9f =khAi -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Le 1/02/2017 à 20:20, Coty Sutherland a écrit : > I'm still planning to submit for the linux packaging talk (though I > haven't heard anything else form the other distro maintainers), just > haven't done it yet. I suppose I could volunteer for one of the > others, I'll check the list. Hi Coty, If you already have a draft of your presentation you can send it to me and I'll insert a few slides about Debian. Emmanuel Bourg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Huxing, On 2/2/17 9:59 PM, Huxing Zhang wrote: > Happy Chinese New Year! > > I am planning to submit a topic about the challenges tomcat faces > under high throughputs production systems, how we troubleshooting > issues under such scenarios and how we fix it. > > This is the first time for me to submit a proposal, therefore it > would be glad if someone can offer me help on finishing it. > > I am planning to submit the proposal today or tomorrow, any > suggestions will be appreciated. Go ahead and submit the proposal -- you can submit the slides later, so all you need is a 4-sentence abstract. I'd be happy to have a look at what you have so far (if you have anything), or to help you get started. Feel free to email me directly. - -chris > -- > From:Christopher Schultz Time:2017 > Feb 2 (Thu) 03:09 To:Tomcat Users List > Subject:Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon > > > All, > > On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > >> > >>> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > >> Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them >> all together here: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > >> >> I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this >> would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. > > Only 10 more days before the CFP closes: > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/progr am > > > /cfp > > I haven't seen anyone specifically mention that they had submitted > a proposal. I'm just really hoping that it's not markt and me > tag-teaming a whole day of presentations (again). > > I am certainly willing to help someone get started if they'd like > to do a presentation and aren't sure how to proceed. > > -chris > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYlJCnAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYPWMP/Rmkdn3rT+REEE/V7kY28JN2 Icvn6MbZP9hTH5tF+jr358bTSkgWRtQz6rhvmpFZwM29RodHa7wOP4/fTpw4mjpA BYCimDXXwvf/B3mV5W8ienX1Zm0TUhCEoodBLsrrEtz0OggYp+hYUSqQWm3WGHnm Wy3zPBzHVkzzlKb293Y8h5znyHMYHc/8giPevSQNaNXO2xYFBSQbE9k2v/y7bC6t UW9J2BudbeyeZw7BWZRaFWpTj4J/tlQHuSaBWvvWyaMsyo8Yb00OMJrZElFclg00 smRSZPN7qo/SRcQsS4KD3WdlCaMnAA9y/Em4f4ka3isHVaZzQLvvWorEWlSLYfoP E+O0qoOytxfwGmHbNKcJmVmPFDpkcRJEON5VpbZdCfgcwJEJOgps+8jsv4gfrI7p EwG0GcCmPEqYcAFnZcO1pkb5jGSO9QiBxsoqU0+EejXeZB/VXirzerGxbdaXy68b y9mBqHbKlEBDi0pNOirIvPnDZMMKht1+pY1TOBcFWGRGYPg9dROZsl/My88yT91j ZQ7YV/rSG1HuTcUpRTXaeXFq9s5Q5uwOlXlxXm2p6lv2QMyys/OKQxFPXNDFyubQ Aeg08N0FtRvp0YJVOYfqy5KCj1CyH2XvxdlOkvfYsjES6Mmr8P1qlrYgtl+AO6PA 1rJugsSZTGwcjBBZNZ9f =khAi -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Hi, Happy Chinese New Year! I am planning to submit a topic about the challenges tomcat faces under high throughputs production systems, how we troubleshooting issues under such scenarios and how we fix it. This is the first time for me to submit a proposal, therefore it would be glad if someone can offer me help on finishing it. I am planning to submit the proposal today or tomorrow, any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Huxing -- From:Christopher Schultz Time:2017 Feb 2 (Thu) 03:09 To:Tomcat Users List Subject:Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 All, On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > >> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > > Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all > together here: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > > I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this > would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. Only 10 more days before the CFP closes: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program /cfp I haven't seen anyone specifically mention that they had submitted a proposal. I'm just really hoping that it's not markt and me tag-teaming a whole day of presentations (again). I am certainly willing to help someone get started if they'd like to do a presentation and aren't sure how to proceed. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYkjJzAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRY2h4QAL4fROuqzPHpk/4slSm7Gbus nl706uqTcjFwGBOkWIXGSwUe2w7CZFFPlakByvgCJpxg4sWzcg/4+XSfyputF/jc X/Cdobwgwn65gHFM4ioewHtijD+MvqT1qqzCmNIJiLkS9ZTjjyE/gjzGv79F0A8a 7XsMBicLS0sboE43yUR3o0o7OnIlVFFJ8GYF7u8DS+xsD2VY96dCVY7xUZMFa0XQ MHBuy7xSfXkJMqg787RZRuJi5CX3cbBUkEsphwnZMy92vWyQOfaUnPFmcU3sqaru R+DcKrzWZwMHefgpmkuGaaN0Jq4Sl3NbyejI8CG6mcHMNkANw1GAEUM3QZaSpDGg FfTukciiONzLeg0HTNAfGcUPQ9UPmhaNKa9IgobuFWPD0Not4nEVXeK6fAUUUSZU nJq8Hic+N+7a0skJCw7ZSudxCkNBlxRBaSkIr4UaGSsHKzzgpKgqPoz7IRPjkgQR S7BGi8f8ChAqUn5hqAXn5lYUxEBStV+m3qHnT5TNqhVIscxMhvYsSjQwAzMX8qw8 j4jg52jx+kOzB+4fj+z4hUSVPSi8VQAbnPRpG5z1RTL66SV7DXCV0CVVcE6Tz6tk rMEDZs9trirIHcSMtPcNkdu5Us9the0RPf8N2fQH68rhyPtGURX4Sk8EslWKtdjY iUWInnGHKmz14+pqsCLm =mQ+z -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
I'm still planning to submit for the linux packaging talk (though I haven't heard anything else form the other distro maintainers), just haven't done it yet. I suppose I could volunteer for one of the others, I'll check the list. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 01/02/2017 19:09, Christopher Schultz wrote: >> All, >> >> On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: >> >>> >> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. >> >>> Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all >>> together here: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 >> >>> I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this >>> would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. >> >> Only 10 more days before the CFP closes: >> >> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program >> /cfp >> >> I haven't seen anyone specifically mention that they had submitted a >> proposal. I'm just really hoping that it's not markt and me >> tag-teaming a whole day of presentations (again). > > It won't be that. It might be three days with you, me and jfclere... > >> I am certainly willing to help someone get started if they'd like to >> do a presentation and aren't sure how to proceed. > > I've probably got slide decks for a couple. > > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 01/02/2017 19:09, Christopher Schultz wrote: > All, > > On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > >> > >>> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > >> Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all >> together here: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > >> I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this >> would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. > > Only 10 more days before the CFP closes: > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program > /cfp > > I haven't seen anyone specifically mention that they had submitted a > proposal. I'm just really hoping that it's not markt and me > tag-teaming a whole day of presentations (again). It won't be that. It might be three days with you, me and jfclere... > I am certainly willing to help someone get started if they'd like to > do a presentation and aren't sure how to proceed. I've probably got slide decks for a couple. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 All, On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > >> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > > Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all > together here: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > > I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this > would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. Only 10 more days before the CFP closes: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program /cfp I haven't seen anyone specifically mention that they had submitted a proposal. I'm just really hoping that it's not markt and me tag-teaming a whole day of presentations (again). I am certainly willing to help someone get started if they'd like to do a presentation and aren't sure how to proceed. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYkjJzAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRY2h4QAL4fROuqzPHpk/4slSm7Gbus nl706uqTcjFwGBOkWIXGSwUe2w7CZFFPlakByvgCJpxg4sWzcg/4+XSfyputF/jc X/Cdobwgwn65gHFM4ioewHtijD+MvqT1qqzCmNIJiLkS9ZTjjyE/gjzGv79F0A8a 7XsMBicLS0sboE43yUR3o0o7OnIlVFFJ8GYF7u8DS+xsD2VY96dCVY7xUZMFa0XQ MHBuy7xSfXkJMqg787RZRuJi5CX3cbBUkEsphwnZMy92vWyQOfaUnPFmcU3sqaru R+DcKrzWZwMHefgpmkuGaaN0Jq4Sl3NbyejI8CG6mcHMNkANw1GAEUM3QZaSpDGg FfTukciiONzLeg0HTNAfGcUPQ9UPmhaNKa9IgobuFWPD0Not4nEVXeK6fAUUUSZU nJq8Hic+N+7a0skJCw7ZSudxCkNBlxRBaSkIr4UaGSsHKzzgpKgqPoz7IRPjkgQR S7BGi8f8ChAqUn5hqAXn5lYUxEBStV+m3qHnT5TNqhVIscxMhvYsSjQwAzMX8qw8 j4jg52jx+kOzB+4fj+z4hUSVPSi8VQAbnPRpG5z1RTL66SV7DXCV0CVVcE6Tz6tk rMEDZs9trirIHcSMtPcNkdu5Us9the0RPf8N2fQH68rhyPtGURX4Sk8EslWKtdjY iUWInnGHKmz14+pqsCLm =mQ+z -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 1/24/17 8:00 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 19/01/2017 22:45, Mark Thomas wrote: >> More updates as I get them. > > We are all systems go :) !! > We *really* need to start getting names against the various talk > ideas we already have and turn those into CFP submissions ASAP. If you have already submitted a paper, please either annotate the TomcatCon NA 2017 wiki page[1] or reply to this message and let us know. We need to be able to reach-out to get speakers for those topics that don't yet have a presenter, and we don't want to double-book a topi c. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > The CFP closes on 11 Feb. Note that you don't have to have the presentation ready in order to make a submission. You can wait until it's been accepted to begin working on it if you want. For those who think they might not be able to "get off work", remember that Tomcat (presumably) powers your software deployments. You have been getting completely-free software and support the whole time you have been using Tomcat. You probably use other ASF software in your stack since you are using Tomcat. I think you can make a pretty compelling argument to your boss that (a) the way you "pay" for Tomcat is to be a part of the community, (b) part of being in the community is occasionally going to conferences, (c) part of being in the community is sharing your experiences (giving presentations), and (d) this type of conference counts as "professional development". If you give a presentation, it also counts as a publication :) While your employer can't "sponsor" your presentation, it is entirely appropriate for you to include your employer's name in your sides (usually on an introductory slide). Both you and your employer are free (and encouraged!) to publicize your presentation as widely as you can. It's great for us because we get more interest in the conference. It's great for you because you get to be a speaker at ApacheCon^H^H^H^H^HTomcatCon! Tomcat, like httpd, powers a great chunk of the Internet and being known as an expert in the community ain't too shabby. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYh4DGAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYVLAQAKN/GSzPyoeDNZ1o/+7+OdmQ fjeqnkcXZGVnaT9l6DiUlxDxrWmHng0/R32j1iP/xhkDFHX6R0AXIIbtMEUhBHj/ 6GJFCXT0FR14h1ZHmF/M81fidKGn3KfEmPxqDbwNpZa1cvVbug8kYcTwH21xeTkp +z4R4WUpVnVLd/MPc5ESN75XSr8jCzyB3pFx2ujqFH6QhAk5Vjf4/JXWFFistJGQ t0b7pdWUZi7Inl/L47Mhg9OYJLQlVfsSaG6MQbs/6WlI4e+lqopWw8+c+gCzTmQD ppGLh2KsrKLsGVmhu52ZrhgBB0pr5K4sEb5elP4zNlJ6ghxwLIOzdaf+So3vp8M2 1ZubCVao+7wquVoiYM/6E6WcDYt971iykQUHmZrjqovrjOp+hBvQde/srz5On4Tk CYEjJC8mpRZa1TE1kCgrgTx4I4puKqN6tZ77zvc5nboUqoCW/KeFRPTRMp2zmhMw u14DqjgQjfSxHNBoBbIWzYWFUHwPY3cZ6f/rbQ0XcBqz0kaEm/unCaoFPXZWiLgN 3GYVY5OLzzqsNrpTlJHpRALeeM8Q/qNWpfx9VIq9MJxB7SO+nvM4zJaXCHuKippB a/0CfhL7LZx8soVFNTmKVC3et6rqLgXQdzv5iUj3dFv9h3cFbeNaAF/yTJmA3fxK 2rXVDuO2kq9DFeEq6Z0d =djY2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 19/01/2017 22:45, Mark Thomas wrote: > More updates as I get them. We are all systems go :) We *really* need to start getting names against the various talk ideas we already have and turn those into CFP submissions ASAP. The CFP closes on 11 Feb. We could do this just a small number of committers but I'm convinced the broader the selection of speakers we can organise, the better TomcatCon will be. The first speaker for each talk gets a free registration. Also, there is the potential for the ASF to provide financial assistance to those who would otherwise be unable to attend various ApacheCon events: http://www.apache.org/travel/ We need to use the ApacheCon CFP to submit talks. Please ensure that you put Tomcat in the target audience. http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp We will have a dedicated registration page for TomcatCon. ApacheCon attendees will also be able to opt for TomcatCon as an optional extra. Registration for TomcatCon will get you access to ApacheCon and vice-versa. We'll get the list of submitted talks ~14 Feb and we'll have a couple of weeks to get the completed schedule back to the organisers. I have an action to write some text to improve on this place-holder: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/extend-the-experience/co-located-events More updates as a get them, but please start submitting those talks and updating the wiki. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Maybe in the "thought-provoking" category : Compare and discuss : https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2016/12/21/december-2016-web-server-survey.html https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all https://plumbr.eu/uncategorized/most-popular-java-ee-servers-2016-edition or (being facetious) : why are you guys developing in/for tomcat/java ? should you not be developing in/for nginx/php ? On 19.01.2017 23:45, Mark Thomas wrote: On 17/01/2017 22:04, Mark Thomas wrote: On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all together here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. Good news. I have received the following reply: I think this sounds great (it's wonderful to see all the ideas on the content side flowing on the list) and in short, yes we can do this. Some specifics: -We can do an element of separate branding on signage/promotion/badges -A dedicated track branded as the Tomcat Conference is great. -100% on board with community selecting the content The questions/points I'd want to confirm would be: 1. Could the sessions/track live on the ApacheCon schedule as the Tomcat Conference 'track? or do you need a fully separate schedule? 2. Would you need a Tomcat Conference only registration or could we use the ApacheCon registration form with an add-on 'Check here to sign up for the Tomcat Conference'? I think that is what you meant, but just confirming. Thanks, Angela For those of you who don't know her, Angela is our ApacheCon contact at the Linux Foundation who produce ApacheCon for the ASF. My response to the questions was: 1. Shared schedule is fine. 2. A separate registration page is preferred. I've also asked if we should go ahead and use the ApacheCon CFP. More updates as I get them. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 17/01/2017 22:04, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > >> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > > Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all > together here: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > > I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this would > work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. Good news. I have received the following reply: I think this sounds great (it's wonderful to see all the ideas on the content side flowing on the list) and in short, yes we can do this. Some specifics: -We can do an element of separate branding on signage/promotion/badges -A dedicated track branded as the Tomcat Conference is great. -100% on board with community selecting the content The questions/points I'd want to confirm would be: 1. Could the sessions/track live on the ApacheCon schedule as the Tomcat Conference 'track? or do you need a fully separate schedule? 2. Would you need a Tomcat Conference only registration or could we use the ApacheCon registration form with an add-on 'Check here to sign up for the Tomcat Conference'? I think that is what you meant, but just confirming. Thanks, Angela For those of you who don't know her, Angela is our ApacheCon contact at the Linux Foundation who produce ApacheCon for the ASF. My response to the questions was: 1. Shared schedule is fine. 2. A separate registration page is preferred. I've also asked if we should go ahead and use the ApacheCon CFP. More updates as I get them. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 19/01/2017 17:35, Christopher Schultz wrote: > All, > > On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > >> > >>> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > >> Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all >> together here: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > >> I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this >> would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. > > I've annotated that page with notations of which presentations I've > personally made proposals for ApacheCon 2017. I'd encourage anyone who > might consider giving a presentation to volunteer to do so. > > If you'd like to give a presentation, please submit a Speaking > Proposal on ApacheCon's Call For Papers[1] page for this event. You > don't have to have the presentation ready. You don't even have to know > exactly what you are going to present to submit a proposal. Just a few > sentences about what you'd like to do. > > If anyone is thinking that they'd like to do *something* but aren't > sure what, please have a look at the ideas listed on the page above. > If you think you know a lot about a particular subject, please > volunteer! Many members of the community (myself included) would be > happy to help you put together a presentation for ApacheCon. > Presentations are usually 50 minutes, so I try to write it for about > 35-45 minutes plus some time for questions at the end. > > If you think you know about something *else* (that isn't currently on > the page), feel free to propose *that* idea and add it to the wiki > page with your name. The more the merrier! And at this stage is doesn't matter if we have several folks who could do one of the presentations. In fact that probably helps as it gives us more flexibility when scheduling - we don't anyone having to speak for 5 or 6 sessions in a row. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Coty, On 1/19/17 1:32 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: >> That's a reasonable position to take IMO, it's just not the >> position that the Tomcat team took. > > I think so ;) > >> The result was Tomcat 8.5 which is essentially the best of both >> worlds. One could argue that Tomcat 9 should have become Tomcat >> 10 and Tomcat 8.5 should have instead been Tomcat 9.0, but our >> versioning-scheme has generally followed the Servlet-spec >> version, so that Tomcat X+1 supports the spec version following >> the one that Tomcat X supported. > > When you explain it that way it makes total sense, but users > outside of the tomcat development circles (read > maintainers/consumers of that distro's package, like freeipa) > didn't know that so they assumed that it was just a regular 8.x > release (and were probably confused where the 5 came from). I've > been explaining that it's a fork of 9, etc but that isn't always > well received which is understandable IMO. Tomcat 8.5 introduces support for HTTP/2, JASPIC, and TLS virtual hosting, adds a JSSE provider which uses OpenSSL for crypto with NIO/NIO2, and drops support for the BIO connector. Those are all pretty big changes, but Tomcat 9 can't be truly released until the next spec version is finalized. There is actually historical precedent for this with Tomcat 5.5. Tomcat 5.0 supported the Servlet Spec 2.4, and the forthcoming Tomcat 6 would support Spec 2.5. Before Tomcat 6 was ready, major improvements were made, such as being able to run Tomcat with only a JRE and not a full JDK. These improvements required significant changes which were deemed too major to put into Tomcat 5.0, and so Tomcat 5.5 was released essentially as a replacement. Tomcat 5.0 immediately went into maintenance mode, only to receive security fixes. The situation with Tomcat 8.0 is a little better: it is still fully-supported, and probably will be at least until Tomcat 9 is stable. I'm not entirely sure which version of Tomcat we'll give up on first: 7.0 or 8.0. One could make a good argument for either course of action. But we the maintainers generally think that supporting 3 versions at a time is quite enough, thank you very much. We are currently supporting 4 versions, if you count Tomcat 9. Some people are using Tomcat 9, though I would hope for only very experimental uses at this point. >> It's important that the Tomcat team understands these outside >> perspectives. We may have made a different decision given that >> kind of input. I'm glad that more maintainers, etc. are becoming >> a part of this community. I think it's going to improve things >> for everyone. > > I agree, which is why I'm here being vocal about it. Hopefully > sharing my viewpoint will help us prevent future issues like this, > or at least minimize them. > >> I'm looking forward to meeting you in Miami! > > Likewise! And thanks for the great explanation, it'll help my > arguments with consumers of the tomcat package later :) As both a maintainer of Tomcat itself and a user of Debian Linux, I can say that I have never liked the package-managed versions for a few reasons (for example, little variety in versions available, plus only very old versions being available). Perhaps I can be convinced to switch to a package-managed version of Tomcat under certain conditions, and that the version "problem" form my perspective can be solved by some mutual collaboration. We can certainly get into that in Miami. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYgRiPAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRY0MYQALrvNTin7HUb7Cw2GrX9tR/t PtZqYdhF2wW2T9IhFjgJMoHUsfsPSecAlrPowT7LRqxYnIOfkDryhyEEDygY8UD+ OxWP0b5hjU5fBtg1Nj2B0GpMIcH23ivrneBn4I9FYfcaF9+YJkzzXvCfwvPPTHAS ICe5S6mygBAFC5zKg+OguTAo5edaMd4y4YpV/Etm/+78AGNYG6RlpiwPfTbcz28O 8y2G7vstStj1LIwl+QgqLKz8tKeyXrz259KVzFZ8Ob2xb0MMED5JWPr0paeiN1OX wF+R9UfB5sb0etNBDwIh2TY6W52zLusOcCfo0L/HXf0HimkPKXXr2eOpGG+DW/9/ e3FkGbitwxuNBwH0N+ijbZoAXnwEMgqpuYn+9s3LAPo+xDkCJKgETqO2WWkIPkNR E/yz9aZDdQJFdlKagADJy3+ZXTnr47kR5Zm56TrF23/Cl/xy7bpceaF/eCLu59Uh hcyX/+POCLboOdn3qWxJ3uyBr3VDSwrheVHJO2DBcvJfPHQjBfGaVQOl/DrgwV6x zY9GMAYayoqyR9ibRzh57Gzq0bNNEfUEzVaNgClWKaIJD5sk41qbI5rB7LvfS8RH BrOkIr3YJncZvBbHEEgaLmmo7VjGfnA67OgBLEpoeUQHOnpuujl09pUX6H8spQE6 Si3G9fUQZGHq0+VodlMP =Mhyj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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> That's a reasonable position to take IMO, it's just not the position > that the Tomcat team took. I think so ;) > The result was Tomcat 8.5 which is essentially the best of both > worlds. One could argue that Tomcat 9 should have become Tomcat 10 and > Tomcat 8.5 should have instead been Tomcat 9.0, but our > versioning-scheme has generally followed the Servlet-spec version, so > that Tomcat X+1 supports the spec version following the one that > Tomcat X supported. When you explain it that way it makes total sense, but users outside of the tomcat development circles (read maintainers/consumers of that distro's package, like freeipa) didn't know that so they assumed that it was just a regular 8.x release (and were probably confused where the 5 came from). I've been explaining that it's a fork of 9, etc but that isn't always well received which is understandable IMO. > It's important that the Tomcat team understands these outside > perspectives. We may have made a different decision given that kind of > input. I'm glad that more maintainers, etc. are becoming a part of > this community. I think it's going to improve things for everyone. I agree, which is why I'm here being vocal about it. Hopefully sharing my viewpoint will help us prevent future issues like this, or at least minimize them. > I'm looking forward to meeting you in Miami! Likewise! And thanks for the great explanation, it'll help my arguments with consumers of the tomcat package later :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Coty, On 1/19/17 12:57 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: >> How about this: submit a topic to the Call for Papers[1] and >> choose "Panel Discussion" for the "Submission Type". If you can >> get some other maintainers coordinated, you can choose to prepare >> some slides (maybe 5 mins each) and/or come with some >> conversation questions to get things started with a panel. Open >> up to the audience as well. I suspect you'll get a good >> conversation going. I'll certainly be there unless I must be >> elsewhere. > > That sounds good to me. I'll put something together and submit as > soon as I can after checking with other maintainers to see if > they're interested. > >> I know that some of the APR and httpd folks are absolutely rabid >> about not breaking backwards-compatibility. Perhaps we could >> bring them into the discussion to hear some of the things that >> they look for when maintaining compatibility. > > That would be interesting. I'll try and chase up some of the > complaints that I've heard recently to see if I can bring them to > the list and sort them out. > >> That's a new major release of Tomcat, though. We ought to be able >> to break whatever we want, there. I think complaints about lack >> of backward-compatibility are unwarranted in this particular >> case. > > I'm not sure I agree with that (and I'm positive that other groups > don't because I've heard complaints). It's the same major version > (8), just a minor version update so the general expectation is that > there aren't any breaking changes. If we were talking about the > difference between 8 and 9, then sure we can do whatever is > necessary as long as things were properly deprecated, etc. That's a reasonable position to take IMO, it's just not the position that the Tomcat team took. Tomcat 8.5.x is essentially like the Debian back-ports system for a particular release. We were doing some great new things in Tomcat 9, some that would require e.g. newer Java versions, but Tomcat 8.0 had a documented Java-version requirement that we couldn't change. Tomcat 9, by definition, exists to support an as-yet-unreleased version of the Java Servlet Specification. So we can't release it, yet. But there is a LOT of good stuff in there that we weren't comfortable back-porting to Tomcat 8.0 for the reasons above. The result was Tomcat 8.5 which is essentially the best of both worlds. One could argue that Tomcat 9 should have become Tomcat 10 and Tomcat 8.5 should have instead been Tomcat 9.0, but our versioning-scheme has generally followed the Servlet-spec version, so that Tomcat X+1 supports the spec version following the one that Tomcat X supported. It's important that the Tomcat team understands these outside perspectives. We may have made a different decision given that kind of input. I'm glad that more maintainers, etc. are becoming a part of this community. I think it's going to improve things for everyone. I'm looking forward to meeting you in Miami! Thanks, - -chris > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Christopher Schultz > wrote: Coty, > > On 1/11/17 12:24 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: > +1 I'm glad someone is interested :) > Perhaps we could have some representatives from the > various distributions give a joint presentation. That would be great. I'd love to meet the other distro maintainers. > > [snip] > > I think it would be a good idea to use some of that time > to solicit feedback from the audience about what the > distros could do to make things easier... +1, definitely. I will to do anything that we can to drive adoption of tomcat up (distro-specific versions or ASF). > > How about this: submit a topic to the Call for Papers[1] and > choose "Panel Discussion" for the "Submission Type". If you can get > some other maintainers coordinated, you can choose to prepare some > slides (maybe 5 mins each) and/or come with some conversation > questions to get things started with a panel. Open up to the > audience as well. I suspect you'll get a good conversation going. > I'll certainly be there unless I must be elsewhere. > The biggest concern that I've heard from various of the involved people (and may be a reason why other distros don't consume updates as frequently) is that tomcat is not that great at maintaining backwards compatibility; > > Understood. > I hear this complaint a lot and I get push back from packages that have dependencies on tomcat when I do push our new revision updates. > > I know that some of the APR and httpd folks are absolutely rabid > about not breaking backwards-compatibility. Perhaps we could bring > them into the discussion to hear some of the things that they look > for when maintaining compatibility. In the Java world, there is no > binary-compatibility, for instanc
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
> How about this: submit a topic to the Call for Papers[1] and choose > "Panel Discussion" for the "Submission Type". If you can get some > other maintainers coordinated, you can choose to prepare some slides > (maybe 5 mins each) and/or come with some conversation questions to > get things started with a panel. Open up to the audience as well. I > suspect you'll get a good conversation going. I'll certainly be there > unless I must be elsewhere. That sounds good to me. I'll put something together and submit as soon as I can after checking with other maintainers to see if they're interested. > I know that some of the APR and httpd folks are absolutely rabid about > not breaking backwards-compatibility. Perhaps we could bring them into > the discussion to hear some of the things that they look for when > maintaining compatibility. That would be interesting. I'll try and chase up some of the complaints that I've heard recently to see if I can bring them to the list and sort them out. > That's a new major release of Tomcat, though. We ought to be able to > break whatever we want, there. I think complaints about lack of > backward-compatibility are unwarranted in this particular case. I'm not sure I agree with that (and I'm positive that other groups don't because I've heard complaints). It's the same major version (8), just a minor version update so the general expectation is that there aren't any breaking changes. If we were talking about the difference between 8 and 9, then sure we can do whatever is necessary as long as things were properly deprecated, etc. On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Coty, > > On 1/11/17 12:24 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Christopher Schultz >> wrote: >>> +1 >> >> I'm glad someone is interested :) >> >>> Perhaps we could have some representatives from the various >>> distributions give a joint presentation. >> >> That would be great. I'd love to meet the other distro >> maintainers. > > [snip] > >>> I think it would be a good idea to use some of that time to >>> solicit feedback from the audience about what the distros could >>> do to make things easier... >> >> +1, definitely. I will to do anything that we can to drive adoption >> of tomcat up (distro-specific versions or ASF). > > How about this: submit a topic to the Call for Papers[1] and choose > "Panel Discussion" for the "Submission Type". If you can get some > other maintainers coordinated, you can choose to prepare some slides > (maybe 5 mins each) and/or come with some conversation questions to > get things started with a panel. Open up to the audience as well. I > suspect you'll get a good conversation going. I'll certainly be there > unless I must be elsewhere. > >> The biggest concern that I've heard from various of the involved >> people (and may be a reason why other distros don't consume >> updates as frequently) is that tomcat is not that great at >> maintaining backwards compatibility; > > Understood. > >> I hear this complaint a lot and I get push back from packages that >> have dependencies on tomcat when I do push our new revision >> updates. > > I know that some of the APR and httpd folks are absolutely rabid about > not breaking backwards-compatibility. Perhaps we could bring them into > the discussion to hear some of the things that they look for when > maintaining compatibility. In the Java world, there is no > binary-compatibility, for instance, but API compatibility is of course > essential. > >> I don't have any specific examples that I can think of right now >> other than the update from 8.0 to 8.5 removing BIO. > > That's a new major release of Tomcat, though. We ought to be able to > break whatever we want, there. I think complaints about lack of > backward-compatibility are unwarranted in this particular case. > > For the most part, Tomcat devs tend to feel free to modify > completely-internal APIs as necessary, but will make an effort to > maintain backward-compatibility for semi-internal APIs. It might be a > good exercise to identify which parts of Tomcat should be considered > (publicly) stable and which parts are okay to modify. > Backward-compatibility is relatively easy in Java for certain things. > Major refactorings usually don't happen in a point-release. > > - -chris > > [1] > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program > /cfp > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYd+dpAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRY33kP/AhgdrtshBuHzdBSqryIJXho > 1FmWOO26LzO8TivH/hrcioo6hgMCXP5I/YWYJ+PH9BYwVAbzMZehW+8+9bfq07Ug > RZGzJo7Xv/J9xmEsZsIki5wnOLYVG+M80ZCLCGo80YEduQyhbnITvfH32D6jlLZc > k8A8NGA+Gldyq+Rc+H2ZYnn7nbdgu2Tmk/5JrEUV34e3DD0fhKxr8DAJf6BbmcZ6 > BhZ2CqtK1ePa5RfKxLXaf9CVqkTan/9tGTA3mMRzTe6nMsDGr3SascYX4T9kf7OH > X38c4LpddImdxL3i4gC11V/NGpNFJ8nkD6CRodW
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 All, On 1/17/17 5:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > >> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > > Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all > together here: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 > > I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this > would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. I've annotated that page with notations of which presentations I've personally made proposals for ApacheCon 2017. I'd encourage anyone who might consider giving a presentation to volunteer to do so. If you'd like to give a presentation, please submit a Speaking Proposal on ApacheCon's Call For Papers[1] page for this event. You don't have to have the presentation ready. You don't even have to know exactly what you are going to present to submit a proposal. Just a few sentences about what you'd like to do. If anyone is thinking that they'd like to do *something* but aren't sure what, please have a look at the ideas listed on the page above. If you think you know a lot about a particular subject, please volunteer! Many members of the community (myself included) would be happy to help you put together a presentation for ApacheCon. Presentations are usually 50 minutes, so I try to write it for about 35-45 minutes plus some time for questions at the end. If you think you know about something *else* (that isn't currently on the page), feel free to propose *that* idea and add it to the wiki page with your name. The more the merrier! Thanks, - -chris [1] http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program /cfp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYgPj8AAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYfXIQAJTgfOsnQVqVALEyw+CKG0V/ CoqCqODsPFXMZewUkkTWJirgVFNFwOymfhQZzvjKELwe1S6peJa8EfWD4KlU1CEg 7cQ+O85kikbQXg76A3/8UYZqEq6umk5GKsuIgabghipn13mqIw4us9FOopcqOz+a B7Q0p3W4iqM0Q4Yt2PwYyOP+dYuj2SEUGJzeC7I6iHf6YO8cV0LYdTCgoubfoxOg ZsZ4ZGOMCB/HiWKzgg6Ef9Xokrj+YkbyGkyPtuU2DanAcpwX7mPCYUWXrjSxbq8g w005MD7d21Ceut9BuJLjPCiUyYZaJsfpexCla1EaeLPS/IURsHW+P0lnn4h5Tdyi 0bmuOXZaQ1PJe2tYmK7ZbxfoMkGA6nLufXacEilO0NcU9q+Rg4c0SZ32nEAqVJbw xK6BksRtZgllz0l3RdIwl93bmNZNm7FhCIy8MhUIdkL0GsFgfSUvO+IUFgS3/yFv ts3i4aLyCUztAIedAUfN4NUeaRG6YFX46w+JYxRp5GZy5LtFMor2NzYs9BaiuOaK HaFZzJAdgbipmQFRd4ozqsBf/ai0KWM3MomQV5XLIs/2XFaTzE23rUoQ1x+iiLlU Uec5UxIgQLxKbteXBDxSBHj6bjJz80SiZHOJBNCNu5TN07HwL+JjhiM2QIx51oRs tfIjZyncvlchyKkRHmOr =7DgN -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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On 1/17/2017 4:04 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all together here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. Mark Nice. Thank you. -Terence Bandoian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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On 09/01/2017 11:57, Mark Thomas wrote: > I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. Thanks for all the great ideas so far. I've tried to pull them all together here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/TomcatCon+NA+2017 I'm waiting to hear back from the ApacheCon folks as to how this would work. I'll update this thread with info as I get it. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 1/9/17 6:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > All, > > There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a > community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon > NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. > > The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to > get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference > organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a > plan. > > Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've > been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify > the right content if as many folks as possible on this list answer > the following question: > > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it > as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to > attend?" > > We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if > you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We > typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon > so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too > tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you > think others would find useful, speak up. > > Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your > are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are > would also be helpful. > > Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to > someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, > hackathons are all possible. > > Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > > Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat Reverse > Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat > Clustering with Apache Tomcat Tomcat Clinic (like the users list > but with everyone in the same room) > > I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. This isn't really Tomcat-specific, but it might require a bit of configuration change from the default. I don't know a thing about Websocket other than vaguely how it works from an HTTP-upgrade-to-wide-open-byte-transfer-channel point of view. I know some of the use-cases it covers, but I'm not sure how I would get started. I'd love for someone to give a tour of some simple application to dissect it and describe what's going on. It could even be a "tour of the snake example" for all I care. I think some people think that presentations at e.g. ApacheCon need to be highly technical or complex, or presented by people whose names they recognize. I disagree. If someone will come and give a presentation on Websocket, I'll waive their registration fee[1]. - -chris [1] Note that all speakers get their registration fees waived. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYfnDvAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYBjsP+wRlTQxG9ThwIkhIX9d8IhDl MBGbgOUDaZltywpppaZJA/rl6Ecbo59Opq1WlANaf3Mro18NyXRyXy9ghpKcls5Z y2ei72EAA/sfGqJxjoNixIwGE4SKV8WH7a3Uf4Hjn1TMRqiNloh5Aq8CVaWwHBxN C7evrN9w12ySL3UAGxAfisjudWY4SwuRL17AcWQb9USJ/kGL36OjVCnkyY1SAcjl FMZ0sgGFXZUqf6S41AGFRUqd0Ji397GJhEQH7XGgh+EGBXDlTTV/vdddbh34UaDZ Meti6p7eKSHynod3em2yrXBSXgRPjkeYL8w4s58+nby04XH91Nhgp8WIGXHms7dk LjmXUKB/GXV2vRVi+kTPW6+gumTT8aQkqY0SPkm8RpOFNfAGiY25oGwnP4O3bnkK wBVyv9pFmm66G/igVg3L9mF9fUPBXeNldEt/2R9zVd7IyBIVNL+bD3siAZm17kxK j9kG6JF9APndbPsH4qxzOPsQ1E/l7ifYMOUsatylBA84ofjuuyRJKKaqvP6hvnm8 0Awm23Kje4v5olYFaFZ/wDq1Ewrv4YoY2Hoi/KomOxLI/BQ3VzHPQyDzlgin+2em jnlIKpc8A13MMCuIbdoRTlQ4XI7sfU8bLTmATUwLQBSgGxDQ8Ys6Y/KEwOR5LTn8 07NmHnZuG1AfasveRvtR =Mjfz -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 André, On 1/17/17 6:29 AM, André Warnier (tomcat) wrote: > "How to get the most performance / lowest resource usage out of > your Tomcat" > > Admittedly, this is a vast and tortuous subject. But it seems to me > that considering - java's reputation in general for being a > computing resource hog - the multitude of parameters available in > terms of settings for the Connectors, Executors, database > connections pools, GC etc. What about Jean-Frereric's and my previous presentations on connector performance? It doesn't cover GC and DB, of course. > To provide some kind of (admittedly narrow) real-world link to the > above, see the current thread on the user's list, entitled > originally "tomcat 8080 thread not reduced". Clearly it shows that, > for example, the way in which Tomcat allocates/deallocates > request-processing threads is not very clear from the available > documentation, nor whether it has really an impact on tomcat's > resource usage or performance. The confusion is about the default default defaults. I believe that (a) documentation update is in order and (b) an implementation change might be in order as well. There is no reason why a with e.g. minSpareThreads should not create an that behaves as if it had been configured with separate /s. > To provide a wider context : most of the experts who are answering > questions on this tomcat user's list are tomcat code committers, > for whom java in general, and the tomcat code in particular, hold > no mysteries. For such people, some highly technical presentation > subject would probably seem most appealing. But the purpose of > Mark's appeal seems to be to gather a wider potential audience, so > it may be sensible to choose some subjects with could potentially > appeal to people who would not normally go to such highly-focused > presentations. +1 I just got off the phone with a customer who was struggling to understand why his TLS certificate wouldn't load. He replaced the old cert with the one one and restarted the service. TLS wouldn't come up. Anyone with experience would know that the key and cert need to match, but he didn't understand that: he was just following the "SSL guide" from his CA -- which was awful, by the way. I kind of scoffed at markt's suggestion that we have a "Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat" workshop, but I think that 90% of the attendees to an ApacheCon could use a tutorial on what TLS is, what a certificate is, and why there are so many moving parts. > In any case, if you want to convince your boss to send you there, > there has to be a presentation title which your boss can understand > and relate to. Without of course making it so appealing that he > will decide to attend himself. So what is your boss interested in? I think I still owe you a few beers. . - -chris > On 16.01.2017 15:10, Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: >> Mark >> >>> "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to >>> make it as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you >>> to attend?" >> >> OK, you asked for it. :-) >> >> - The best and worst moments in Tomcat history. Specific >> examples. Memorable events. Could be just for the year so the >> same topic with different content could be presented next year, >> like an episode. >> >> - Tomcat vision roadmap. History and plans for the future. >> Respond to RFC and bug reports. Other things? >> >> - A day in the life of a Tomcat developer/contributor. Typical vs >> ideal vs worst. Humor. Specific examples. Multiple >> presenters. >> >> -- Cris Berneburg CACI Lead Software Engineer >> >> -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas >> [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 6:58 AM >> To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon >> >> All, >> >> There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a >> community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside >> ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. >> >> The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to >> get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference >> organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a >> plan. >> >> Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. >> I've been thinking about this for a while and I think we can >> identify the right content if as many folks as possible on this >> list answer the following question: >> >> >> We have up to three days and potentiall
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Hi. Sorry for top-posting, but it seems to be the practice so far in this thread. Although I will be unable to attend anyway, I have a suggestion for a topic : "How to get the most performance / lowest resource usage out of your Tomcat" Admittedly, this is a vast and tortuous subject. But it seems to me that considering - java's reputation in general for being a computing resource hog - the multitude of parameters available in terms of settings for the Connectors, Executors, database connections pools, GC etc. *and* the fact that many (a majority of ?) "tomcat users" (in the sense of this list) are not fundamentally java web applications developers, but rather sysadmins tasked with setting up and running tomcat systems, some kind of "top-down" presentation, starting with some basic principles, and providing some guidelines as what to do in some real-world scenarios, should be susceptible of interesting a vaster potential public. And the fact that the potential benefit of attending, may help some in reducing the overall computing resources that have to be dedicated to run their applications (or conversely increase the bandwidth of their existing infrastructure investment), may also provide an argument for one's boss to send one there. To provide some kind of (admittedly narrow) real-world link to the above, see the current thread on the user's list, entitled originally "tomcat 8080 thread not reduced". Clearly it shows that, for example, the way in which Tomcat allocates/deallocates request-processing threads is not very clear from the available documentation, nor whether it has really an impact on tomcat's resource usage or performance. To provide a wider context : most of the experts who are answering questions on this tomcat user's list are tomcat code committers, for whom java in general, and the tomcat code in particular, hold no mysteries. For such people, some highly technical presentation subject would probably seem most appealing. But the purpose of Mark's appeal seems to be to gather a wider potential audience, so it may be sensible to choose some subjects with could potentially appeal to people who would not normally go to such highly-focused presentations. I am not really advocating a "tomcat for dummies" presentation, but maybe something more akin to a tomcat marketing approach would be nice. In any case, if you want to convince your boss to send you there, there has to be a presentation title which your boss can understand and relate to. Without of course making it so appealing that he will decide to attend himself. On 16.01.2017 15:10, Berneburg, Cris J. - US wrote: Mark "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" OK, you asked for it. :-) - The best and worst moments in Tomcat history. Specific examples. Memorable events. Could be just for the year so the same topic with different content could be presented next year, like an episode. - Tomcat vision roadmap. History and plans for the future. Respond to RFC and bug reports. Other things? - A day in the life of a Tomcat developer/contributor. Typical vs ideal vs worst. Humor. Specific examples. Multiple presenters. -- Cris Berneburg CACI Lead Software Engineer -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 6:58 AM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon All, There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following question: We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, speak up. Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would also be helpful. Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all possible. Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache T
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Hi, 2017-01-09 13:57 GMT+02:00 Mark Thomas : > > All, > > There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to > run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates > are May 16 to 18. > > The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get > organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) > there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. > > Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been > thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right > content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following > question: > > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as > easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" > > We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you > think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a > number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to > cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a > topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, > speak up. > > Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are > interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would > also be helpful. > > Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone > present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all > possible. > > Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > > Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat > Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat > Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat > Clustering with Apache Tomcat > Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) > > I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. What do you think about following topic: Reactive Streams with Apache Tomcat? Regards, Violeta > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >
RE: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Mark > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it > as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" OK, you asked for it. :-) - The best and worst moments in Tomcat history. Specific examples. Memorable events. Could be just for the year so the same topic with different content could be presented next year, like an episode. - Tomcat vision roadmap. History and plans for the future. Respond to RFC and bug reports. Other things? - A day in the life of a Tomcat developer/contributor. Typical vs ideal vs worst. Humor. Specific examples. Multiple presenters. -- Cris Berneburg CACI Lead Software Engineer -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 6:58 AM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon All, There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following question: We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, speak up. Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would also be helpful. Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all possible. Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat Clustering with Apache Tomcat Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) Mark
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Rich, On 1/12/17 4:49 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Speaking as the guy who gets to help advertise the event, I would > personally like to see some third-party stuff at ApacheCon. > Particularly popular apps that people run on top of Apache Foo. > > I must admit my ignorance, I don't know what that is with Tomcat. > But if there's some very popular application that folks tend to run > on top of Tomcat, having the expert from that community join us for > this event gives us an opportunity to cross-pollinate with other > communities. How about JIRA? Is Apache Roller still a thing that people use? I'm sure Leon would love to talk about MosKito... that's more widely-applicable than some user's company's proprietary web application... but they may use MosKito in conjunction with their own applications. I run JasperReports Server on Tomcat, but their "open source" "community" seems to be not much of either, unfortunately. And of course, we run our own custom applications -- which may be of little interest to attendees. > Admittedly, we've had very little success with this, with *other* > Apache projects, but it seems worth asking. :-) Well, I think that most users of e.g. Hadoop are probably running their own proprietary stuff, or something that is only really interesting to a small group of users. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYeAU6AAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYU+AQALBia/w9wlerisgmG3vsSTMA A3OMs0bJczPq+KJK6MYHD/PQP3EZaxqzywM9ISXS8iBjl70OC8A6R19WcBt1nSu+ yrSpq4VAvA+LvgA9ZP5dloq081v8bJCjf2QcHpVFYFMhq1BSfjiJtvvU6qASCUQG 9foWD1J/XOZ9N82DYZAD2ksJw7VXOJsEALejkk34A2PrSMa5jjWNlP5dMLHdLwrB HZ2WKYaU8fEhnRQKAoc+XImCabBuhg1YHRbGLG49N/JzoxH2/pC+sSmFzIA0Vhms Us3rj5UITJuH2PqSnt2q8/YGnwqeKISxggq4fXaYb4ic0cRY9Xboibx9n8BHZPf8 hCVOuXJPkSQVlTTGhfSeEqdJ0K9mmYQm281HU+krlREtTZnD7l1nrc/Rlhr+p7GE 9xAH+TnFIkHyi5y06VxluM+014jISGhKXVBMfIWB150B3/hpFUVyoCHEdvDahwO2 3AUbz/0Y5jQVRleWg4cuqQiF8YvBCaYGLCZLLDjmdfnlevwCFsna3ioLIQfGn6Zn 3M5LeNE9dPiYfJ9qA7ZCIn9bqI++1IEoW4m6QJsoj7TZw7kxBTp+m87T2D5xOP67 iBYXZzZsU5cTDowIWQ+8csQmdBdf+oUikigrSCd02a8hOJlqGHn7++yt2IxwXJmk oq+NFxrlRyROLSi8El9Q =koSy -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 2017-01-09 06:57 (-0500), Mark Thomas wrote: > All, > > There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to > run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates > are May 16 to 18. > > The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get > organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) > there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. > > Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been > thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right > content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following > question: > > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as > easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" > > We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you > think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a > number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to > cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a > topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, > speak up. > > Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are > interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would > also be helpful. > > Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone > present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all > possible. > > Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > > Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat > Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat > Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat > Clustering with Apache Tomcat > Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) > > I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. Speaking as the guy who gets to help advertise the event, I would personally like to see some third-party stuff at ApacheCon. Particularly popular apps that people run on top of Apache Foo. I must admit my ignorance, I don't know what that is with Tomcat. But if there's some very popular application that folks tend to run on top of Tomcat, having the expert from that community join us for this event gives us an opportunity to cross-pollinate with other communities. Admittedly, we've had very little success with this, with *other* Apache projects, but it seems worth asking. :-) --Rich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 12/01/2017 20:30, Christopher Schultz wrote: > Coty, > > On 1/11/17 12:24 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Christopher Schultz >> wrote: >>> +1 > >> I'm glad someone is interested :) > >>> Perhaps we could have some representatives from the various >>> distributions give a joint presentation. > >> That would be great. I'd love to meet the other distro >> maintainers. > > [snip] > >>> I think it would be a good idea to use some of that time to >>> solicit feedback from the audience about what the distros could >>> do to make things easier... > >> +1, definitely. I will to do anything that we can to drive adoption >> of tomcat up (distro-specific versions or ASF). > > How about this: submit a topic to the Call for Papers[1] and choose > "Panel Discussion" for the "Submission Type". If you can get some > other maintainers coordinated, you can choose to prepare some slides > (maybe 5 mins each) and/or come with some conversation questions to > get things started with a panel. Open up to the audience as well. I > suspect you'll get a good conversation going. I'll certainly be there > unless I must be elsewhere. > >> The biggest concern that I've heard from various of the involved >> people (and may be a reason why other distros don't consume >> updates as frequently) is that tomcat is not that great at >> maintaining backwards compatibility; > > Understood. > >> I hear this complaint a lot and I get push back from packages that >> have dependencies on tomcat when I do push our new revision >> updates. > > I know that some of the APR and httpd folks are absolutely rabid about > not breaking backwards-compatibility. Perhaps we could bring them into > the discussion to hear some of the things that they look for when > maintaining compatibility. In the Java world, there is no > binary-compatibility, for instance, but API compatibility is of course > essential. > >> I don't have any specific examples that I can think of right now >> other than the update from 8.0 to 8.5 removing BIO. > > That's a new major release of Tomcat, though. We ought to be able to > break whatever we want, there. I think complaints about lack of > backward-compatibility are unwarranted in this particular case. > > For the most part, Tomcat devs tend to feel free to modify > completely-internal APIs as necessary, but will make an effort to > maintain backward-compatibility for semi-internal APIs. It might be a > good exercise to identify which parts of Tomcat should be considered > (publicly) stable and which parts are okay to modify. You mean like we do in the RELEASE-NOTES in the root of the repo? Mark > Backward-compatibility is relatively easy in Java for certain things. > Major refactorings usually don't happen in a point-release. > > -chris > > [1] > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program > /cfp > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Coty, On 1/11/17 12:24 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Christopher Schultz > wrote: >> +1 > > I'm glad someone is interested :) > >> Perhaps we could have some representatives from the various >> distributions give a joint presentation. > > That would be great. I'd love to meet the other distro > maintainers. [snip] >> I think it would be a good idea to use some of that time to >> solicit feedback from the audience about what the distros could >> do to make things easier... > > +1, definitely. I will to do anything that we can to drive adoption > of tomcat up (distro-specific versions or ASF). How about this: submit a topic to the Call for Papers[1] and choose "Panel Discussion" for the "Submission Type". If you can get some other maintainers coordinated, you can choose to prepare some slides (maybe 5 mins each) and/or come with some conversation questions to get things started with a panel. Open up to the audience as well. I suspect you'll get a good conversation going. I'll certainly be there unless I must be elsewhere. > The biggest concern that I've heard from various of the involved > people (and may be a reason why other distros don't consume > updates as frequently) is that tomcat is not that great at > maintaining backwards compatibility; Understood. > I hear this complaint a lot and I get push back from packages that > have dependencies on tomcat when I do push our new revision > updates. I know that some of the APR and httpd folks are absolutely rabid about not breaking backwards-compatibility. Perhaps we could bring them into the discussion to hear some of the things that they look for when maintaining compatibility. In the Java world, there is no binary-compatibility, for instance, but API compatibility is of course essential. > I don't have any specific examples that I can think of right now > other than the update from 8.0 to 8.5 removing BIO. That's a new major release of Tomcat, though. We ought to be able to break whatever we want, there. I think complaints about lack of backward-compatibility are unwarranted in this particular case. For the most part, Tomcat devs tend to feel free to modify completely-internal APIs as necessary, but will make an effort to maintain backward-compatibility for semi-internal APIs. It might be a good exercise to identify which parts of Tomcat should be considered (publicly) stable and which parts are okay to modify. Backward-compatibility is relatively easy in Java for certain things. Major refactorings usually don't happen in a point-release. - -chris [1] http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program /cfp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYd+dpAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRY33kP/AhgdrtshBuHzdBSqryIJXho 1FmWOO26LzO8TivH/hrcioo6hgMCXP5I/YWYJ+PH9BYwVAbzMZehW+8+9bfq07Ug RZGzJo7Xv/J9xmEsZsIki5wnOLYVG+M80ZCLCGo80YEduQyhbnITvfH32D6jlLZc k8A8NGA+Gldyq+Rc+H2ZYnn7nbdgu2Tmk/5JrEUV34e3DD0fhKxr8DAJf6BbmcZ6 BhZ2CqtK1ePa5RfKxLXaf9CVqkTan/9tGTA3mMRzTe6nMsDGr3SascYX4T9kf7OH X38c4LpddImdxL3i4gC11V/NGpNFJ8nkD6CRodWDUcqPRkjnxNQ/w9vEA2NL3feu MjV83pHy6Ow8S9MtRge3VBDEynwHQ/y9UaCw5gbjnSSCkSbCxrgtVvLgod/hHKTs Ru5vf/SVYS7spyawscQCadR/ehp6WBWx1SnfjMZsgFdmpWPl3Xy8puwonDkJSfd9 52PRV+9XiBWnHTPgwPGuktfMWhMKW9CON8I4WYEQANNyM447tRWnwEzpva+oysam s/rgXafxD9FVJuvIL41+VzUv42XcTs6sT548TaXmUapDYo29vMZB0AHevPvNHfm6 52Nhc9YRrgS9CqU/tdQIQBTqttr2h/lwzw+cS7XxRakXPOKPFzF/rbgAyQaRkZyW vhHRawolld3jjohm+OEr =w1b6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 01/10/2017 09:05 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: > Mark, > > On 1/9/17 6:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a >> community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon >> NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. > > Interesting. > >> The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to >> get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference >> organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a >> plan. > >> Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've >> been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify >> the right content > > I have a single presentation submitted already for consideration. The > topic is "Let's Encrypt Apache Tomcat" ;) OK I can do a H2 presentation / new SSL config in Tomcat before ;-) > > I was also planning on reprising one of my previous presentations, > either the "Monitoring" or "Load-balancing" one, or possibly the > credential-handlers one. They have all been fairly well-attended in > the past. > > If you wanted to really get a LOT of sessions going, I'd be willing to > do all of them, though it *is* a lot of talking. > >> "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it >> as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to >> attend?" > >> We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if >> you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We >> typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon >> so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too >> tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you >> think others would find useful, speak up. > >> Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your >> are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are >> would also be helpful. > >> Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to >> someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, >> hackathons are all possible. > >> Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > >> Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat > > +0 > >> Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache >> Tomcat Clustering with Apache Tomcat > > +1 to all 3 > >> Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same >> room) > > Evidently, Daniel Rugguri tried this a few years ago with a "Let's > solve your mox_proxy problem" workshop, and literally nobody showed > up. I'm skeptical about a workshop for a few reasons: > > 1. Attendees might not have a "problem to solve" and therefore see a > workshop as a waste of their time. > > 2. Anyone with a problem to solve isn't going to wait-around for the > conference to get it solved. > > Maybe we could instead have more like a live-demo of setting things up > from scratch. So it's not an AMA (AUA?) with a topic of e.g. > "custering" but instead have a session titled something like > "Clustering A - Z" where we build a live cluster while the audience > watches and asks questions in real time. > > Jean-Frederic and I were musing in Austin (?) about getting a small > number of Raspberry Pi-type devices on the stage with activity/state > lights on them, build a cluster, and then start unplugging things to > show what actually happens when disaster strikes in your environment, > and how the cluster reacts. I already have 3 Raspberry ready for this kind of thing, probably needs a few more to make a bigger cluster. > > I'm not sure that could be done in 1 hour, especially with all of the > questions we are likely to get or scenarios we might like to demonstrate > . Nope that is ~2 hours workshop Cheers Jean-Frederic > > -chris > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote: > +1 I'm glad someone is interested :) > Perhaps we could have some representatives from the various > distributions give a joint presentation. That would be great. I'd love to meet the other distro maintainers. > Coty, are you in any way > involved with the RHEL package-management of Tomcat? Emmanuel Bourg > appears to be involved with the Debian package-managed distributions > of Tomcat. Yep. I maintain tomcat for RHEL and am a co-maintainer of tomcat for Fedora/Fedora EPEL. I've seen quite a few of Emmanuel's posts to the list. > The speakers might want to come prepared to be hit with a few > tomatoes, since distro-specific weirdness is something of a popular > topic. Often "install the official ASF distribution" seems to fix many > issues posted here. Yeah...I get that all the time :( I've only been the maintainer for about a year and can't make any functional changes (just maintenance updates mostly), but I have been working with BZ owners and folks on freenode to try and remedy the concerns that they voice. I honestly think it's quite a mess at the moment too, so I'm all for cleaning things up. The biggest problem is probably users not understanding how the distro chops up the tomcat distribution to make it modular. When you install tomcat, you get the tomcat core code, the API implementations, and that's it. If you want to use the ROOT webapp or admin webapps, you have to install them, etc. This allows for the minimum required packages to be installed and for users to add whatever else they need. It also allows for you to install individual things (like the servlet API, for example) without installing the whole tomcat distribution. There is a lot of outdated reasons for things being the way that they are (which I keep stumbling onto, so I should probably start a document somewhere and explain the structure as I see it. > I think it would be a good idea to use some of that time to solicit > feedback from the audience about what the distros could do to make > things easier... +1, definitely. I will to do anything that we can to drive adoption of tomcat up (distro-specific versions or ASF). > and perhaps what Tomcat could to to make things > easier for the distros. Package-managed versions of Tomcat always seem > to be hideously out-of-date, for example. Perhaps that's due to our > distribution style (new version) which is quite different from httpd's > style (patches + occasional new versions). You're right. We had the same problem in Fedora until I started pushing for updates when new releases and CVE fixes were released to get them incorporated into Fedora as quickly as possible, so I don't think that this problem exists there. I've also been helping with updates for tomcat-native. The biggest concern that I've heard from various of the involved people (and may be a reason why other distros don't consume updates as frequently) is that tomcat is not that great at maintaining backwards compatibility; I hear this complaint a lot and I get push back from packages that have dependencies on tomcat when I do push our new revision updates. I don't have any specific examples that I can think of right now other than the update from 8.0 to 8.5 removing BIO. That has presented a huge issue for the FreeIPA folks because Debian updated to 8.5 (I haven't updated Fedora yet because of this and a couple of stability concerns) and the removal of BIO makes it incompatible with dogtag via tomcatjss (a tomcat interface to NSS for crypto instead of OpenSSL). Granted they've known for a while that they needed to update, we removed a feature from tomcat in the same major release. This same group is asking for documentation regarding a policy on backwards compatibility; do we have that somewhere? Thanks!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Coty, On 1/9/17 2:48 PM, Coty Sutherland wrote: > Would anyone be interested (and is it within the guidelines) to > talk about the differences in some tomcat distributions? Like the > difference in the Red Hat linux and Debian tomcat distributions, > for example. I know it isn't 100% ASF Tomcat, but I get a lot of > inquiries about where to find stuff on freenode so it might be a > helpful conversation for the community to have. On the other hand I > don't want to blur the lines between where responsibilities lie, > where people should ask questions, etc... +1 Perhaps we could have some representatives from the various distributions give a joint presentation. Coty, are you in any way involved with the RHEL package-management of Tomcat? Emmanuel Bourg appears to be involved with the Debian package-managed distributions of Tomcat. The speakers might want to come prepared to be hit with a few tomatoes, since distro-specific weirdness is something of a popular topic. Often "install the official ASF distribution" seems to fix many issues posted here. I think it would be a good idea to use some of that time to solicit feedback from the audience about what the distros could do to make things easier... and perhaps what Tomcat could to to make things easier for the distros. Package-managed versions of Tomcat always seem to be hideously out-of-date, for example. Perhaps that's due to our distribution style (new version) which is quite different from httpd's style (patches + occasional new versions). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYdUCIAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYXDoP/01Pcii1MxSNh8+9SjNt39b2 1IT0L1oy/JThdnuidyxwSrgNfhb5hZCpWWbEaoXHBS2tS6UUTPeTcuCoPQUQ0klw 2+Ij9PsQ94PB1zAKmWFBc7kxlv1zePEJEJSquqMsz2MBt3XYSHRuATJSzmFucqDs 2DiSuTXV7TC9uQuOWVKDPj4052vQbAdsqHH32RqAPdqcQP67U9+YJqZkouigj5ng tTEI8ph6UfZDv/k0u5i/CUEbRN4T4U5LORSJBrWI7ubNjLWx+/lLQKdAXcLxFHDh uthvVYTawJwKxHY/U+542QbZ7uR2WKr6NQjbE5/t0Scun+vws1BCnIJ04VENePF4 i0jK9KrNeRnsWQLj2RAc7xOgEC26Rv8LXokRgUFR5QRSvaIOL/jTbP8VLO0O9ugh JeYTg7ERAaCvy2OGGaidxVrhcVFBRz1jAk/kyhe5EYJNutnYcN4m8xuLkIkndv2/ RT9czqsiuflNeI3W1zxihFsjoc9Dnh2Pzwi2ZMolQqgmz+YBdT6+4moFyooB9M5b XMumkAzPkc9pidABw7AJWzDRipxoCvf3v86EeXuXL5+vDAME1fzGMHDSp61PPvy9 MNu45qKyV2XPr7K0kAM6YnIpqGucWVVsm0qKTyUCtpvWWrmv9fYbpVHAnRNvlgiu HkFYQ5kfrULRSrJhYr/A =q9P5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jean-Frederic, On 1/9/17 9:00 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote: > On 01/09/2017 12:57 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> All, >> >> There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a >> community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside >> ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. >> >> The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to >> get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference >> organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a >> plan. >> >> Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. >> I've been thinking about this for a while and I think we can >> identify the right content if as many folks as possible on this >> list answer the following question: >> >> "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make >> it as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to >> attend?" >> >> We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even >> if you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We >> typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at >> ApacheCon so finding someone to cover a particular topic >> shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could >> present on that you think others would find useful, speak up. >> >> Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your >> are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics >> are would also be helpful. >> >> Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to >> someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, >> hackathons are all possible. >> >> Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. >> >> Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat Reverse >> Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat >> Clustering with Apache Tomcat Tomcat Clinic (like the users list >> but with everyone in the same room) >> >> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > > The classical tomcat-next (presenting 8.5 and 9 + migration + > openssl) easily fill a room and an afternoon of workshop. Proxy and > Load-balancing are also often asked... > > What about tomcat in cloud? +1 even though this sounds silly. I for one would like to have a practical introduction to using Tomcat on auto-scaling clusters in e.g. Amazon EC2. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYdT8HAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYvOMP/RJBTONuB75djeRyy0yYW6qi +OBkwRTl8Id3KG3t3bqKMg6gmW9UMGQRLUBkVhDNqp2Dguk5/s1Lgjocrk1caU/5 KZkH/7zYvD9b53LDe1mtf3lymDaihdyQVBsh9G5UmDztkl/SLIrk0C3+j9cTnQrS c/G55V6B3h6XnJQQY70atg2S1e8hxVoNT0mvo5AKQZJiDcgGia50qdVyxpVImmQ/ g5E0KVGrCbP3W+TBcyGZ05UWY/ZhsCS5L3rHXENCswsroZdabgXEdk0h+BbXiFFI M9vV0itGnTp51tA8jOXiw5ft1M86BgREgJgjtm6gSzoWGFr4zMeoen/jd2S/zmwu oBZ8+s450ozugi9G9TGhuPgYjBQuayI11ucv4a8jtDnM5eZuKJzB3JJlEKHmRLlE JaVVxqfiss2h2NjAimId2zI+jPcHP6ji8Zm6IQWEuOBtsS8hwMAuHQVgddettcBr MWwfeqwxB2Z3kmrIXzfxqPuICFlB2dsv8PhqTwqmtgworjiU8hydod7eaQ5DpaX5 i3ix6v8F2hEql7lJst/b2G8VldW8epTR/GQg6SXiN23qNQFYmpG+xjZw7pKGsyI5 dhK9Ydyly92zTgzcUjS6+UaHiUvYyWCP899+aCcjw/vIM2dKrrHJmCS02iYkrGZ+ 7aKKYWbEKjASHeVKfG7t =VdRJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 1/9/17 6:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a > community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon > NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. Interesting. > The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to > get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference > organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a > plan. > > Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've > been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify > the right content I have a single presentation submitted already for consideration. The topic is "Let's Encrypt Apache Tomcat" ;) I was also planning on reprising one of my previous presentations, either the "Monitoring" or "Load-balancing" one, or possibly the credential-handlers one. They have all been fairly well-attended in the past. If you wanted to really get a LOT of sessions going, I'd be willing to do all of them, though it *is* a lot of talking. > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it > as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to > attend?" > > We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if > you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We > typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon > so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too > tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you > think others would find useful, speak up. > > Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your > are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are > would also be helpful. > > Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to > someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, > hackathons are all possible. > > Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > > Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat +0 > Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache > Tomcat Clustering with Apache Tomcat +1 to all 3 > Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same > room) Evidently, Daniel Rugguri tried this a few years ago with a "Let's solve your mox_proxy problem" workshop, and literally nobody showed up. I'm skeptical about a workshop for a few reasons: 1. Attendees might not have a "problem to solve" and therefore see a workshop as a waste of their time. 2. Anyone with a problem to solve isn't going to wait-around for the conference to get it solved. Maybe we could instead have more like a live-demo of setting things up from scratch. So it's not an AMA (AUA?) with a topic of e.g. "custering" but instead have a session titled something like "Clustering A - Z" where we build a live cluster while the audience watches and asks questions in real time. Jean-Frederic and I were musing in Austin (?) about getting a small number of Raspberry Pi-type devices on the stage with activity/state lights on them, build a cluster, and then start unplugging things to show what actually happens when disaster strikes in your environment, and how the cluster reacts. I'm not sure that could be done in 1 hour, especially with all of the questions we are likely to get or scenarios we might like to demonstrate . - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYdT6gAAoJEBzwKT+lPKRYpEYP/3/MmieTpAEdhTO6GNm4yj5P fPTQcCE3v2QeY+mGCNUIfoVs5iD+azrh62OHT9cIO3SFTbd+iMt3ZI2LRB4Pmsxy vrhlgfaiBvg/y8OCCQrh0fR0kgSqG2WLCvXg4b4zzTUYbyHAc7XlT5EPQMiuHz8W 9MXVCdHBn19/kOf0zJ8Kh5xGCmm1ONuir/idVgg9OSWMTFzVQf6rNHAmXvOTIy5E iUIeggk0F6Nu9yiI+x4U2hRVgsk7p+OYefAlo2btSjcQXBKvXFiKFi3mDWT6q3BM CCYWUO2+kbO6kQJVoNWuOBqYQFHZbLlwQDt8xMxCpmpZytldTJDUzZ2wgketLlPc FfcDnvHg779PLwG8M8GKskjOerPgf2BDtGkfB7wOcfC1NT+BT99eW7E8vXef3rWg +cmYQRUmi5o2PM/UdHQSSfZP/RklioD9cq+FTREL5iUVQlJ2ASR3CoiU7lBGtPLm SNKyPxjVQablIOlXKWCCMqFZSGjpxEqr6Mydbj2JKjAChQiO9CU5KwTAjjYbMaO0 PI77MgSZufSicbG3oFpKYKHN5cQBEI3sD+hPYG5C2BiDpYVrlDasXz5llLuw15IS kRjYWlTV5LC491zbwj1P6fz/LrKwQqoHz6GvrBn56YLRiLIO1YhQH07W0gvXATK9 q3qPhL22wc6PPv0THBh3 =vvsN -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
> > Embedded Tomcat and microservices? With and as an alternative to Spring > Boot? > > -Terence Bandoian > http://www.tmbsw.com/ > > +1. Something to do with using Tomcat within a microservices architecture, possibly with Docker and Kubernetes.
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Terence M. Bandoian wrote: > On 1/9/2017 8:00 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote: >> >> On 01/09/2017 12:57 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to >>> run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates >>> are May 16 to 18. >>> >>> The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get >>> organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) >>> there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. >>> >>> Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been >>> thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right >>> content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following >>> question: >>> >>> "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as >>> easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" >>> >>> We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you >>> think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a >>> number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to >>> cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a >>> topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, >>> speak up. >>> >>> Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are >>> interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would >>> also be helpful. >>> >>> Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone >>> present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all >>> possible. >>> >>> Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. >>> >>> Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat >>> Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat >>> Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat >>> Clustering with Apache Tomcat >>> Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) >>> >>> I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. >> >> The classical tomcat-next (presenting 8.5 and 9 + migration + openssl) >> easily fill a room and an afternoon of workshop. >> Proxy and Load-balancing are also often asked... >> >> What about tomcat in cloud? >> >> Cheers >> >> Jean-Frederic >> >>> Mark >>> > > > Embedded Tomcat and microservices? With and as an alternative to Spring > Boot? +1 I happened to implement a custom TomcatEmbeddedServletContainerFactory to support multiple wars deployment with spring-boot for some reasons (e.g, some requires multiple wars together anyway even in micro service env) before. It would be nice if we can discuss/share alternatives to create cloud-friendly single executable artifacts. Woonsan > > -Terence Bandoian > http://www.tmbsw.com/ > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 1/9/2017 8:00 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote: On 01/09/2017 12:57 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: All, There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following question: "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, speak up. Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would also be helpful. Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all possible. Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat Clustering with Apache Tomcat Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. The classical tomcat-next (presenting 8.5 and 9 + migration + openssl) easily fill a room and an afternoon of workshop. Proxy and Load-balancing are also often asked... What about tomcat in cloud? Cheers Jean-Frederic Mark Embedded Tomcat and microservices? With and as an alternative to Spring Boot? -Terence Bandoian http://www.tmbsw.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
Would anyone be interested (and is it within the guidelines) to talk about the differences in some tomcat distributions? Like the difference in the Red Hat linux and Debian tomcat distributions, for example. I know it isn't 100% ASF Tomcat, but I get a lot of inquiries about where to find stuff on freenode so it might be a helpful conversation for the community to have. On the other hand I don't want to blur the lines between where responsibilities lie, where people should ask questions, etc... On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: > On 1/9/2017 3:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> >> "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as >> easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" > > > load balancing > performance > security > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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On 1/9/2017 3:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" load balancing performance security - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
On 01/09/2017 12:57 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > All, > > There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to > run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates > are May 16 to 18. > > The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get > organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) > there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. > > Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been > thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right > content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following > question: > > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as > easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" > > We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you > think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a > number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to > cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a > topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, > speak up. > > Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are > interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would > also be helpful. > > Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone > present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all > possible. > > Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > > Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat > Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat > Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat > Clustering with Apache Tomcat > Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) > > I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. The classical tomcat-next (presenting 8.5 and 9 + migration + openssl) easily fill a room and an afternoon of workshop. Proxy and Load-balancing are also often asked... What about tomcat in cloud? Cheers Jean-Frederic > > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
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I would like to understand garbage collections better. Such as what instances or situations experienced someone would make a change to a setting. Thank you, Joleen On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > All, > > There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to > run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates > are May 16 to 18. > > The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get > organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) > there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. > > Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been > thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right > content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following > question: > > "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as > easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" > > We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you > think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a > number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to > cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a > topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, > speak up. > > Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are > interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would > also be helpful. > > Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone > present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all > possible. > > Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. > > Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat > Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat > Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat > Clustering with Apache Tomcat > Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) > > I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. > > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >
TomcatCon @ ApacheCon
All, There is the opportunity (if we can pull it together as a community) to run a dedicated Tomcat conference alongside ApacheCon NA 2017. The dates are May 16 to 18. The call for papers closes on Feb 11 so we have around a month to get organised. We'll also need to convince the conference organisers that a) there is a demand for this and b) we have a plan. Getting the right content is going to be critical to success. I've been thinking about this for a while and I think we can identify the right content if as many folks as possible on this list answer the following question: "What topic(s) need to be covered in a Tomcat conference to make it as easy as possible to get your employer to pay for you to attend?" We have up to three days and potentially multiple tracks so even if you think you have a niche requirement, please speak up. We typically have a number of Tomcat committers speaking at ApacheCon so finding someone to cover a particular topic shouldn't be too tricky. Equally, if you have a topic you could present on that you think others would find useful, speak up. Do feel free to add your +1 if someone else mentions a topic your are interested first. Having an idea of how popular the topics are would also be helpful. Also, we don't have to stick to the standard "Sit and listen to someone present for 40 mins" format. Discussions, workshops, hackathons are all possible. Some topic ideas to get the ball rolling. Hands-on workshop: Configuring TLS with Apache Tomcat Reverse Proxying to Apache Tomcat Load-balancing with Apache Tomcat Clustering with Apache Tomcat Tomcat Clinic (like the users list but with everyone in the same room) I look forward to hearing your topic ideas. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
