Re: [videoblogging] DIY video ads

[Doug Sapp]

count me in.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Josh Paul  wrote:

>   Hi all,
>
> My company just put out a DIY video ad creation tool. In a nutshell
> you sign up, put one line of javascript on your site, and enable
> visitors to create video ads directly on your site with money coming
> directly to you. You have complete control over the ad packages
> offered (i.e. $100 per week, $20 CPM, $0.50 CPC) and the "look" of the
> tool (via css).
>
> If you'd like to give it a shot on your site, ping me and I'll give
> you the URL to signup.
>
> Josh
>
> (Yes, it's been a while since I've posted/responded. And, well, some
> of you may view this as spamish. But, I sincerely hope some of you
> find this of use.)
> 
>



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[videoblogging] Re: Youtube adds search to embedded videos

[Rick Rey]

It's also interesting to see all the negative feedback posted on the YouTube 
blog in 
response to the search box:

http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=zLSoxZyhau8

Curiously, the search box itself doesn't drive traffic to YouTube.com or 
promote featured 
videos - so from a business standpoint I don't really get it, either.

The purpose of an embedded player is to facilitate offsite viewing of a 
*specific* video  - 
not to serve as a portal to your entire catalog of videos.

Rick



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman"  wrote:
>
> Rick rey has an interesting take on youtube adding search box to embedded
> videos.
> http://blog.rickrey.com/post/63100432/regarding-the-new-youtube-search-box-in-
embedded-videos
> 
> > I don't like it. It's further proof that YouTube is a technology company,
> > not an entertainment company. They are sacrificing the quality of the user's
> > experience for a small bump in usability. Not to mention, it's kind of a
> > slap in the face to content creators who work hard to keep viewers engaged.
> > It's just one more distraction on top of the umpteen others we're up against
> > to keep your attention.
> >
> This is another data point when choosing what video service you really like.
> are they supporting you as a creator, or are you supporting them as a
> network?
> 
> Jay
> 
> -- 
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
> 
> 
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>

[videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[RatbagMedia]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath"  wrote:


> So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of 
> the problem?  Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming 
> passive?  That we no longer care about the communication or the 
> connections that can develop?

I think it has to be horses for courses and you have to package
content a number of ways to cater to individual preferences. People
approach the web differently and no one size fits all.

As for connections and the community feel you have to go with the
flow...You cannot demand that people hang out the way you'd prefer
them to as, I guess, that's has as much to do with your own
personality and video-ing attitude as anything else.

The hardware -- the feed, the site -- are surely secondary to that.

I think discussion lists can make -- potentially at least -- great
communities -- but not all discussion lists are going to foster
ongoing interactions in the sense of identification and 'loyalty'.

I'm on 'x' number of elists and monitor 'y' number of blogs but I
choose to interact actively in very few of them. It's like there's
this Holy Grail on the web that presumes that if you do 'a' and 'b'
you get yourself a bona fide web neighborhood. I don't think it works
lineally like that.People do not have that capacity unless they are
obsessive.

However, the very nature of videoblogging -- because it can often be
so intimate and exposing -- tends to push the engagement onto the
visitor in a way that other media may not.

This is why, in part I believe, video deployment on the web has
exploded in the way that audio has not.Its' very: me.

So in one sense there's all these TV channels being created whose
precept is that they are not  like console television but something
else that is still as yet an unknown.

An contrary example I think is the Miro/Democracy Player which tries
to foster a counter media network driven by RSS feeds. Surely that's
one community model that relies on an aggregation broader than
individual stall holders.

Then there is YouTube which is -- to be frank -- a video jungle.

But you are going to get many layers and variations and it would be
presumptuous to think that one broadcast model will rule them all.
This is the web afterall which is premised on anarchy and a good  deal
of chaos. This is partly why its so hard to make money off the web I
guess because in a universe of that size and of such creativity (an
extraordinary explosion of creativity the likes of which we humans
have never seen before)  it's so very easy to be fickle.

MySpace one year/Facebook the next. 

So when you create your own share of it -- "your" "site" --you are
creating a decorated portal or cabinet where you display your personal
wares -- customized just so to reflect on its owner. 

If that's not your preference then you may as well simply stick with
the feed option and forget all about the branding thing with its
little decorative nuances and written up additions.

Therss' nothing wrong with that.

dave riley

Re: [videoblogging] Video Metrics

[Beth Kanter]

Kevin:

Thanks for that.  I did little searching and came up with these:

Video Metrics packages - probably not free
There's http://www.streametrics.tv/en/
There are some other third party video metrics/tracking/analytics company -
mentioned in this post
http://judah.webanalyticsdemystified.com/category/video-analytics.

I've also heard that you can add some tracking codes to multi-media content
and track in google analytics - anyone do this?

Some points about metrics on video

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2008/02/29/internet_video_metrics_when_a.htm
http://www.webanalyticsworld.net/2008/03/next-generation-of-metrics-for-online.html

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Kevin Lim  wrote:

>   Hello Beth,
> That's a great question on viewership metrics. I wish to know as well. :)
>
> I'm not as experienced as the folks here, but as a budding
> videoblogger (51 episodes), I use the no. of views from each video
> service (Youtube, Vimeo, Blip.tv) as well as Feedburner counts as my
> metric. Trackbacks and embeds would be indicators of true interest in
> my videos.
>
> My main channel is http://theorycast.blip.tv
>
> Lately there are syndication services which I've started to use which
> compile viewership across video services more conveniently, in
> particular TubeMongul.com. Only problem is that tubemongul isn't easy
> to upload content; I keep running into errors.
>
> Incidentally, they just introduced a new feature which provides even
> more stats easily. Here's their email announcement:
>
> -
> INTRODUCING TUBEMOGUL INPLAY: RICH STATS FROM YOUR VIDEO PLAYER
>
> We are proud to announce the launch of TubeMogul InPlay, a suite of
> patent-pending video tracking tools that can be set up in any Flash
> player (including platform players like Brightcove) within minutes.
> TubeMogul InPlay is part of our Premium service and is made possible
> by our recent acquisition of in-depth video analytics startup
> Illumenix.
>
> Now, anyone hosting their own Flash video or using a platform player
> like Brightcove can track metrics like:
> - Viewed-Minutes
> - Embedded Views
> - Geographics
> - Per-Stream Quality
> - More...
>
> See http://www.tubemogul.com/about/inplay.php
> -
>
> I know I'm just scratching the surface with how videobloggers track
> viewership, so I'd love to hear what others use as well. :)
>
> Kevin Lim
> Cyberculturalist
> http://theory.isthereason.com
> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private
> email locator: ¥¨¥ ¸¨ ¡«µ¡¡«¨ « » » ®
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Beth Kanter 
> >
> wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > I'm doing some research for a workshop on social media ROI/metrics and
> > wanted to include an overview of what's best practices and tools for
> video.
> >
> > Would appreciate answers to the following:
> >
> > * What metrics are typically tracked for social media video - either
> video
> > blogging or user-generated video to help you improve your work or
> > demonstrate impact?
> > * What are the 3-5 best blog posts about the use of video metrics?
> > * Is there a list of video metrics analytics tools or some comparison of
> > what video metrics are available at the different hosting sites?
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > --
> >
> > Beth's Blog: http://beth.typepad.com
> > Nonprofits and Social Media
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>  
>



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[videoblogging] DIY video ads

[Josh Paul]

Hi all,

My company just put out a DIY video ad creation tool. In a nutshell  
you sign up, put one line of javascript on your site, and enable  
visitors to create video ads directly on your site with money coming  
directly to you. You have complete control over the ad packages  
offered (i.e. $100 per week, $20 CPM, $0.50 CPC) and the "look" of the  
tool (via css).

If you'd like to give it a shot on your site, ping me and I'll give  
you the URL to signup.

Josh

(Yes, it's been a while since I've posted/responded. And, well, some  
of you may view this as spamish. But, I sincerely hope some of you  
find this of use.)

Re: [videoblogging] Video Metrics

[Kevin Lim]

Hello Beth,
   That's a great question on viewership metrics. I wish to know as well. :)

I'm not as experienced as the folks here, but as a budding
videoblogger (51 episodes), I use the no. of  views from each video
service (Youtube, Vimeo, Blip.tv) as well as Feedburner counts as my
metric. Trackbacks and embeds would be indicators of true interest in
my videos.

My main channel is http://theorycast.blip.tv

Lately there are syndication services which I've started to use which
compile viewership across video services more conveniently, in
particular TubeMongul.com. Only problem is that tubemongul isn't easy
to upload content; I keep running into errors.

Incidentally, they just introduced a new feature which provides even
more stats easily. Here's their email announcement:

-
INTRODUCING TUBEMOGUL INPLAY: RICH STATS FROM YOUR VIDEO PLAYER

We are proud to announce the launch of TubeMogul InPlay, a suite of
patent-pending video tracking tools that can be set up in any Flash
player (including platform players like Brightcove) within minutes.
TubeMogul InPlay is part of our Premium service and is made possible
by our recent acquisition of in-depth video analytics startup
Illumenix.

Now, anyone hosting their own Flash video or using a platform player
like Brightcove can track metrics like:
- Viewed-Minutes
- Embedded Views
- Geographics
- Per-Stream Quality
- More...

See http://www.tubemogul.com/about/inplay.php
-

I know I'm just scratching the surface with how videobloggers track
viewership, so I'd love to hear what others use as well. :)


Kevin Lim
Cyberculturalist
http://theory.isthereason.com
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Beth Kanter  wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> I'm doing some research for a workshop on social media ROI/metrics and
> wanted to include an overview of what's best practices and tools for video.
>
> Would appreciate answers to the following:
>
> * What metrics are typically tracked for social media video - either video
> blogging or user-generated video to help you improve your work or
> demonstrate impact?
> * What are the 3-5 best blog posts about the use of video metrics?
> * Is there a list of video metrics analytics tools or some comparison of
> what video metrics are available at the different hosting sites?
>
> Beth
>
> --
>
> Beth's Blog: http://beth.typepad.com
> Nonprofits and Social Media
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 

[videoblogging] Re: No blogging: different visual creations

[Steve Watkins]

Interesting stuff. I hadnt read this thread before posting on the other thread 
about 
alternatives to the blog style.

At this rate I may go back to a plan of several years ago to actually buy flash 
so I can try to 
add functionality to the existing flash players out there. There is sooo much 
potential, far 
more than I can hope to achieve, but its nice to think about this stuff anyway.

I quite like the tv-like automatic way of watching content. Im sure there is 
some room to 
mix this with the webring type ideas that have been mentioned and end up with 
an 
interesting experience.Manage to cohesively add a layer of communication and 
interactivity into the mix, and we could really be on to something. 

Cheers

Steve Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi"  wrote:
>
> I set this up 
> It's the JW flash player running a playlist of my favorite videos.
> 
> - Verdi
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jay dedman  wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert  wrote:
> >> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend, and
> >> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
> >> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
> >> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
> >> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
> >> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
> >> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your drag
> >> & drop desktop idea, Jay.
> >
> > im looking forward t what people come up with.
> > http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks interesting.
> > (though i hate the autoload video).
> > the whole background image is part of the actual function of the page.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://jaydedman.com
> > 917 371 6790
> >
> > 
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://michaelverdi.com
>

[videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Steve Watkins]

Great discussion. 

It takes me back to several different topics I used to rant on about here. 
Several projects I 
always wanted to do but, as usual, never really got started on.

I like to think about a CMS that can show its content through a variety of 
flash front ends. 
The useful bits of blogging, social networking, community, communication, and 
decent 
presentation of videos and other content, but with a much smoother interface 
and experience 
than we are typically used to. And no walled garden approach. And no need to be 
a techie.

Easy for me to say, obviously much harder to achieve. Im still up for trying, 
the fuel I need is 
people being continually passionate and talkative about such things, so that I 
keep faith that 
there is reason to bother trying.

Anyway I will avoid going into further detail so this doesnt turn into one of 
my bloated posts 
of yesteryear, I'm sure I'll add further thoughts later.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Lisa Rein]

Aha. Thanks for this!.

Big Difference if he's making "that kind of money" from implementing
several revenue models at once, rather than somehow making $17,000 a month
from youtube ads.

Also that's got to be on a good month. Seriously :)

again - i'm not trying to be a rally killer here. I just want people to be
realistic in their expectations, and hate it when the numbers don't make
sense, and we're just being bad sports for asking about them.

thanks,

lisa


> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:58 PM, schlomo rabinowitz 
> wrote:
>> The list has always been like that, though I don't agree with it.
>> I think its partially because this list was around before youtube and
>> rebelled against youtube as a walled garden.
>
> Nalts has a good posts on the NYTimes article:
> http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/12/11/what-the-bucks-200k-a-year-making-videos/
>
> And how to become a Youtube partner like him:
> http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/12/10/how-to-become-a-youtube-partner-2-steps/
>
> Jay
>
>
> --
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
>


Lisa Rein

http://onlisareinsradar.com
http://www.lisarein.com

[videoblogging] Video Metrics

[Beth Kanter]

Hey folks,

I'm doing some research for a workshop on social media ROI/metrics and
wanted to include an overview of what's best practices and tools for video.

Would appreciate answers to the following:

*  What metrics are typically tracked for social media video - either video
blogging or user-generated video to help you improve your work or
demonstrate impact?
*  What are the 3-5 best blog posts about the use of video metrics?
*  Is there a list of video metrics analytics tools or some comparison of
what video metrics are available at the different hosting sites?

Beth

-- 

Beth's Blog: http://beth.typepad.com
Nonprofits and Social Media


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Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Lisa Rein]

I think saying we don't need to talk about the money is a little like VC's
telling start up founders not to worry about the stock.

Why are we suddenly money grubbing bad individuals to even bring it up?

YouTube has structured things so they can be the only game in town, so
other companies can't compete, just yet.

That's good business for them, but it seems like the same old bad business
for the rest of the community/little guy.

I'm curious (again, trying to get out of re-reading the *current* youtube
TOS, which seems to be ever changing:) -- but does it still say they can
do anything they want with your content, once you upload it? (Like put it
on TV)

Members of this list have commented in the past about how insulting it is
to see the words "YouTube Video" on television, when one makes it on the
air. I believe it is the youtube TOS that allows them to do this legally
-- although I am unclear whether it trumps the required "attribution" of
CC licenses for CC licensed works uploaded to youtube. It seems to me that
this is more of a "respect for the creator" issue.


> The list has always been like that, though I don't agree with it.
> I think its partially because this list was around before youtube and
> rebelled against youtube as a walled garden.
>
> Personally, I'm happy if anyone can make a living on what they love.  It
> really doesn't matter to me.
>
>
> Schlomo Rabinowitz
> http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> AIM:schlomochat
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Jill H  wrote:
>
>>   I am a youtube partner http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx
>> we can not discuss our money in public, and yes there are different
>> tiers
>> of
>> partners.
>>
>> I wonder why people are so fixated on the money. I think everyone should
>> be
>> a little more supportive. We put a lot of effort into making videos and
>> being involved in the social communities to promote it.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Lisa Rein
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I just wish the actual money wasn't all hush hush.
>> >
>> > it is my understanding the youtube partners sign an nda and can't talk
>> > about what they make.
>> >
>> > is that still the case for ALL youtube partners? (hoping some on this
>> list
>> > might speak up)
>> >
>> > it is also my understanding that, because no one can talk about what
>> they
>> > make, youtube is able to make different deals with each of it's
>> partners
>> > -- giving some people more than others etc.
>> >
>> > My information is over a year old at this point (it was at that time
>> that
>> > I interviewed several youtube partners, several anonymously - for an
>> > article I never published) - so I'd love to know, quickly, like always
>> :),
>> > if any of this has changed.
>> >
>> > I'll take a COMPLETE silence as a "yes" btw - since the youtube
>> partners
>> > will be under contract not to talk, if I understand correctly. (all
>> > patriot act style :)
>> >
>> > best,
>> >
>> > lisa
>> >
>> > > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you
>> anything
>> > > you
>> > > dont already know:
>> > > <
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > I've met both of the subjects and they are really passionate about
>> their
>> > > vids as well as very serious about doing them as a job... and its
>> working
>> > > out for them.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Schlomo Rabinowitz
>> > > http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
>> > > http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
>> > > AIM:schlomochat
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Lisa Rein
>> >
>> > http://onlisareinsradar.com
>> > http://www.lisarein.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx
>> http:/www.twitter.com/jillhanner
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


Lisa Rein

http://onlisareinsradar.com
http://www.lisarein.com

Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Jay dedman]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:58 PM, schlomo rabinowitz  wrote:
> The list has always been like that, though I don't agree with it.
> I think its partially because this list was around before youtube and
> rebelled against youtube as a walled garden.

Nalts has a good posts on the NYTimes article:
http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/12/11/what-the-bucks-200k-a-year-making-videos/

And how to become a Youtube partner like him:
http://willvideoforfood.com/2008/12/10/how-to-become-a-youtube-partner-2-steps/

Jay


-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[schlomo rabinowitz]

The list has always been like that, though I don't agree with it.
I think its partially because this list was around before youtube and
rebelled against youtube as a walled garden.

Personally, I'm happy if anyone can make a living on what they love.  It
really doesn't matter to me.


Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Jill H  wrote:

>   I am a youtube partner http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx
> we can not discuss our money in public, and yes there are different tiers
> of
> partners.
>
> I wonder why people are so fixated on the money. I think everyone should be
> a little more supportive. We put a lot of effort into making videos and
> being involved in the social communities to promote it.
>
> Jill
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Lisa Rein 
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I just wish the actual money wasn't all hush hush.
> >
> > it is my understanding the youtube partners sign an nda and can't talk
> > about what they make.
> >
> > is that still the case for ALL youtube partners? (hoping some on this
> list
> > might speak up)
> >
> > it is also my understanding that, because no one can talk about what they
> > make, youtube is able to make different deals with each of it's partners
> > -- giving some people more than others etc.
> >
> > My information is over a year old at this point (it was at that time that
> > I interviewed several youtube partners, several anonymously - for an
> > article I never published) - so I'd love to know, quickly, like always
> :),
> > if any of this has changed.
> >
> > I'll take a COMPLETE silence as a "yes" btw - since the youtube partners
> > will be under contract not to talk, if I understand correctly. (all
> > patriot act style :)
> >
> > best,
> >
> > lisa
> >
> > > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything
> > > you
> > > dont already know:
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
> > >>
> > >
> > > I've met both of the subjects and they are really passionate about
> their
> > > vids as well as very serious about doing them as a job... and its
> working
> > > out for them.
> > >
> > >
> > > Schlomo Rabinowitz
> > > http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> > > http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> > > AIM:schlomochat
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Lisa Rein
> >
> > http://onlisareinsradar.com
> > http://www.lisarein.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx
> http:/www.twitter.com/jillhanner
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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[videoblogging] Webshow Awards: Now Accepting Entries

[Schlomo Rabinowitz]

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Webshow Awards: Now Accepting Entries




We are proud to be co-sponsoring the all-new “Webshow Awards,” an  
online film festival of short-form, episodic content. Other sponsors  
include NewTeeVee, Blip and our friends at Tilzy.tv. From Tilzy’s  
description:


Episodic internet video grew up in 2008. It is a distinctive,  
respectable entertainment medium, and it’s time it got its own awards.


Webshow Awards is a joint project of key players in the growing  
industry that seeks to recognize outstanding contributions to the new  
medium.


Submissions will be accepted until December 21st, 2008 and judging  
will begin on January 5th, 2009.






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Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Jill H]

I am a youtube partner http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx
we can not discuss our money in public, and yes there are different tiers of
partners.

I wonder why people are so fixated on the money.  I think everyone should be
a little more supportive.  We put a lot of effort into making videos and
being involved in the social communities to promote it.

Jill

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Lisa Rein  wrote:

>   I just wish the actual money wasn't all hush hush.
>
> it is my understanding the youtube partners sign an nda and can't talk
> about what they make.
>
> is that still the case for ALL youtube partners? (hoping some on this list
> might speak up)
>
> it is also my understanding that, because no one can talk about what they
> make, youtube is able to make different deals with each of it's partners
> -- giving some people more than others etc.
>
> My information is over a year old at this point (it was at that time that
> I interviewed several youtube partners, several anonymously - for an
> article I never published) - so I'd love to know, quickly, like always :),
> if any of this has changed.
>
> I'll take a COMPLETE silence as a "yes" btw - since the youtube partners
> will be under contract not to talk, if I understand correctly. (all
> patriot act style :)
>
> best,
>
> lisa
>
> > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything
> > you
> > dont already know:
> > <
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
> >>
> >
> > I've met both of the subjects and they are really passionate about their
> > vids as well as very serious about doing them as a job... and its working
> > out for them.
> >
> >
> > Schlomo Rabinowitz
> > http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> > http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> > AIM:schlomochat
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Lisa Rein
>
> http://onlisareinsradar.com
> http://www.lisarein.com
>
>  
>



-- 
http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx
http:/www.twitter.com/jillhanner


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[videoblogging] Fwd: Code help to embed Blip in Joomla via popular plugin

[Ron Watson]

Hi all,
I've tried to send this to several different emails in blip, but they  
bounced back, so I sent it minus the attached file via the contact us  
page in the blip dashboard.

Can anyone help me out here?

peace,

Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ron Watson 
> Date: December 11, 2008 4:20:22 PM GMT-05:00
> To: "Blip.tv Support" 
> Subject: Code help to embed Blip in Joomla via popular plugin
>
> Hi,
>
> I need some help writing the correct code to embed blip into joomla  
> through one of the major Joomla extensions.
>
> I can't figure it out - not a programmer. I just stumble around and  
> am persistent.
>
> I've hacked several applications and added blip stuff, but I can't  
> figure this out.
>
> I'll be happy to add the code to the developer's forum and it  
> should get included in the next release of the software.
>
> I really need this to work on my site, as I use blip exclusively  
> and many of my users do.
>
> Please assist.
>
> I've attached the whole .php file that does the link conversion,  
> and am going to quote a bit of the code here:
>
> /*  3rd party video providers  
>  */
> // YouTube
> "youtube" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/ 
> {AVSOURCE}&hl=en&fs=1\">
>value=\"http://www.youtube.com/v/{AVSOURCE} 
> &hl=en&fs=1\" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ",
>
> // Google Video
> "(google|google.co.uk|google.com.au|google.de|google.es|google.fr| 
> google.it|google.nl|google.pl)" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://video.google.com/ 
> googleplayer.swf?docid={AVSOURCE}&hl=en&fs=true\">
>   http://video.google.com/ 
> googleplayer.swf?docid={AVSOURCE}&hl=en&fs=true\" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ",
>
> // 123video.nl - http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=248020
> "123video" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://www.123video.nl/ 
> 123video_share.swf?mediaSrc={AVSOURCE}\">
>   http://www.123video.nl/ 
> 123video_share.swf?mediaSrc={AVSOURCE}\" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ",
>
> // aniboom.com - http://www.aniboom.com/video/28604/Kashe-Li-Its-Hard/
> "aniboom" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://api.aniboom.com/ 
> embedded.swf?videoar={AVSOURCE}\">
>value=\"http://api.aniboom.com/embedded.swf? 
> videoar={AVSOURCE}\" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ",
>
> // blip
> "blip" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://blip.tv/file/ 
> {AVSOURCE}\">
>value=\"http://www.blip.tv/file/{AVSOURCE} 
> \" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ",
> // badjojo.com [adult] - http://www.badjojo.com/ 
> video_play_front.php?Id=6718
> "badjojo" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://www.badjojo.com/ 
> flvplayer.swf\">
>value=\"http://www.badjojo.com/flvplayer.swf 
> \" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>value=\"config=http://www.badjojo.com/ 
> videoConfigXmlIndraCode.php?vId={AVSOURCE}\" />
>   
> 
> ",
>
> // brightcove.tv - http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp? 
> title=1656387563&channel=151854679
> "brightcove" => "
>  \"allvideos_player\" title=\"JoomlaWorks AllVideos Player\">
>{VWIDTH}px;height:{VHEIGHT}px;\" data=\"http://www.brightcove.tv/ 
> playerswf\">
>value=\"http://www.brightcove.tv/playerswf 
> \" />
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>\"allowFullScreen=true&initVideoId={AVSOURCE}&servicesURL=http:// 
> www.brightcove.tv&viewerSecureGatewayURL=https:// 
> www.brightcove.tv&cdnURL=http://admin.brightcove.com&autoStart= 
> {AUTOPLAY}\" />
>   http://admin.brightcove.com\"; />
>   
>   
>   
> 
> ",
>
> Ron Watson
> http://k9disc.blip.tv
> http://k9disc.com
> http://discdogradio.com
> http://pawsitivevybe.com
>
>
>



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Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Lisa Rein]

I just wish the actual money wasn't all hush hush.

it is my understanding the youtube partners sign an nda and can't talk
about what they make.

is that still the case for ALL youtube partners? (hoping some on this list
might speak up)

it is also my understanding that, because no one can talk about what they
make, youtube is able to make different deals with each of it's partners
-- giving some people more than others etc.

My information is over a year old at this point (it was at that time that
I interviewed several youtube partners, several anonymously - for an
article I never published) - so I'd love to know, quickly, like always :),
if any of this has changed.

I'll take a COMPLETE silence as a "yes" btw - since the youtube partners
will be under contract not to talk, if I understand correctly. (all
patriot act style :)

best,

lisa

> Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything
> you
> dont already know:
> <
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
>>
>
> I've met both of the subjects and they are really passionate about their
> vids as well as very serious about doing them as a job... and its working
> out for them.
>
>
> Schlomo Rabinowitz
> http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> AIM:schlomochat
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


Lisa Rein

http://onlisareinsradar.com
http://www.lisarein.com

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Ron Watson]

> g through their reader, than why have a site at all then?
>
> As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for me,
> that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes
> back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is
> neither here nor there...

Nobody but you guys are viewing through your reader.

Nobody is going to mefeedia.

The feed services like feedburner and mefeedia are awesome for giving  
a large footprint, but for the masses they are not destinations.

The only people who go there and use feed readers are geeks. Regular  
people don't know what an RSS feed is let alone how to use and manage  
one. If FF did not automagically parse them they'd think it was a  
broken link.

I use RSS feeds to push my vids out there and to get them exposure so  
I can get hits on search engines. Mefeedia and Feedburner are great  
for creating a large footprint. They are for the people on this list.

But there are very few people who view stuff on RSS feeds. Just the  
busy geeks like yourselves.

I exempt myself from this statement, as I don't use feeds, although I  
probably would if I had the bandwidth available to watch videos.

I gobble up my 5 GB shuffling files around the sites that I am  
developing.

> So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of
> the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
> passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
> connections that can develop?

Yes, they are part of the problem. The people on this list are busy,  
busy, and we live in our own little world.

If I don't follow a link from a post here, I don't see it.

There needs to be a gathering place with an application that can make  
the people on this list happy AND reach the public.

Hasn't happened yet.

We need to start trying to put things together as a group if we're  
going to  get any kind of serious visibility.

Hasn't happened yet.

peace,
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Heath wrote:

> So it seems that by having an RSS feed we are actually taking away
> from the communial side of blogging/vlogging?
>
> I mean if there is no reason to ever go to a site because everyone is
> reading through their reader, than why have a site at all then?
>
> As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for me,
> that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes
> back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is
> neither here nor there...
>
> So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of
> the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
> passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
> connections that can develop?
>
> Heath
> http://heathparks.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "michaelaivaliotis"
>  wrote:
> >
> > If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, Vimeo
> or
> > even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing
> experience -
> > Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling reason? I
> > think this is the main question that needs to be answered and
> thought
> > about before you start redesigning your site.
> >
> > If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be more of
> an
> > "About Me" page with links to your stuff.
> >
> > On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos and
> > you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need to do
> > some serious work on your site.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put some
> > time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You have
> to
> > give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept of RSS
> > feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I watch
> all
> > your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to
> your
> > site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually
> never
> > read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via email:
> > like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).
> >
> > For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin here:
> > http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
> > It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show related
> > posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to show
> > thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
> > manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
> > thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
> > plugin). Still some work there. I'm trying to figure out how to get
> it
> > to find thumbnails automatically, like it is done in the BlipIt
> plugin:
> > http://www.bravenewcode.com/blipit/
> >
> > Anyway... more work ahead.
> > Michael Aivaliotis
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree about

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Jay dedman]

> So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of
> the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
> passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
> connections that can develop?

I stopped using RSS for a long time.
no more feedreaders.
too much deluge.

I mainly bookmark sites I like.
I recently started using LiveBookmarks in Forefox which is
cool...though this still take me to the webpage to view content.

I now mainly follow links I see people post on twitter or email me.
except for the spots I always visit, it's about all I can handle.

So RSS is not the problem.
Make your site the way YOU want it to be.
and then just keep being a nice guy with interesting things to show.

Jay


-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

Re: [videoblogging] Anyone know of a source to post to many videos sites at once

[Ben Halverson]

Vidmetrics.com does what you are looking for.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 11, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Ed  wrote:

> Hi, does anyone know of a source that will take a video and post it to
> many different sources such as youtube, etc, so that we avoid having
> to visit multiple sites to post the video?  Thanks, Ed.
>
>
> 
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[videoblogging] Re: Anyone know of a source to post to many videos sites at once

[myfirstmemorydotorg]

http://heyspread.com/
Haven't used it, just heard of it.

Cheers,
MFM

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Ed"  wrote:
>
> Hi, does anyone know of a source that will take a video and post it to
> many different sources such as youtube, etc, so that we avoid having
> to visit multiple sites to post the video?  Thanks, Ed.
>

Re: [videoblogging] Anyone know of a source to post to many videos sites at once

[schlomo rabinowitz]

Tubemogul.com will rock yer world.

And they are really good people, which is always a nice plus.


On 12/11/08, Ed  wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know of a source that will take a video and post it to
> many different sources such as youtube, etc, so that we avoid having
> to visit multiple sites to post the video?  Thanks, Ed.
>
>


-- 
Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat

[videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Heath]

So it seems that by having an RSS feed we are actually taking away 
from the communial side of blogging/vlogging?  

I mean if there is no reason to ever go to a site because everyone is 
reading through their reader, than why have a site at all then?

As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for me, 
that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes 
back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is 
neither here nor there...

So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of 
the problem?  Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming 
passive?  That we no longer care about the communication or the 
connections that can develop?

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "michaelaivaliotis" 
 wrote:
>
> If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, Vimeo 
or
> even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing 
experience -
> Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling reason? I
> think this is the main question that needs to be answered and 
thought
> about before you start redesigning your site.
> 
> If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be more of 
an
> "About Me" page with links to your stuff.
> 
> On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos and
> you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need to do
> some serious work on your site.
> 
> Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put some
> time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You have 
to
> give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept of RSS
> feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I watch 
all
> your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to 
your
> site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually 
never
> read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via email:
> like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).
> 
> For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin here:
> http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
> It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show related
> posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to show
> thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
> manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
> thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
> plugin). Still some work there. I'm trying to figure out how to get 
it
> to find thumbnails automatically, like it is done in the BlipIt 
plugin:
> http://www.bravenewcode.com/blipit/
> 
> Anyway... more work ahead.
> Michael Aivaliotis
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath"  wrote:
> >
> > I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make 
things 
> > very easy, but when people do come to my site, after maybe seeing 
a 
> > video for the first timeI want it to look as visually 
appealing 
> > as possible and to be able to showcase some of my best stuff and 
> > other things/vlogs I like, etcfor me it's more about 
the "look" 
> > of the site.
> > 
> > I do think you are also right in that it's best to showcase 
video's 
> > on a standalone sight, but then again, how do you get people over 
> > there?  Just a header link, an "ad" on your site, etc...
> > 
> > We spent so much time talking about content, how to make video, 
how 
> > to set up RSS feeds, how to promote your site, etc...but the 
layout 
> > and design we just have pretty much accepted what is out there 
and 
> > made due.let's change that!
> > 
> > Heath
> > http://heathparks.com
>

[videoblogging] Homeless Nation needs your help!

[Brett Gaylor]

Hello, group!  Many of you many remember our project
www.homelessnation.org from our presentation at Vloggercon 2006.
We've been very happy with the results of the project - over 3700
homeless people have learned to use the Internet, blogs, videoblogs
and podcasts through the site.  We even won the Canadian New Media
Award and the Society For New Communications Research Award for
Excellence in Social Media this year.  But despite the successes, the
project is nearing the end of its funding.  So this holiday season we
have decided to try and crowdsource enough funding to last until we
hear back from our latest fundraising efforts.  We really hoping it
will keep our outreach workers on the street and our servers online.
Please give what you can!  We're offering gifts for donations over
$50.  Below is our appeal for donations...thank you! - Brett Gaylor

---Homeless Nation 2008 Fundraising Drive---
We founded this website 5 years ago with funding from the Canadian
government, but sadly our pilot program has run out and we are
starting a drive to become self-sustainable. That means we need
donations to survive! Donations can be made here:
http://www.givemeaning.com/project/homelessnation

You can see in detail what your donations will provide at the link
above, but in general:

What HomelessNation.org provides:
-training and access to the Internet in shelters and drop-ins.
Increasingly, Internet access has become necessary for access to jobs,
healthcare, basic information... things you need getting off the
street. Few places provide this service for free. We want to help
provide access to help break the cycle of poverty.
-a forum to share information, stories and advice about survival and
growth. We have thousands of hours of user-generated video of stories
from the street on the site. Unique testimonials and experiences.
-training in web and computer literacy skills, as well as video and
editing skills.

We now have over 3700 members, and would like to continue growing and
providing this service. We are trying to raise $5000 dollars this
holiday season to keep alive.

YOUR DONATION WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Any donation is helpful.

All the money raised goes to this website and services. Most of
HomelessNation.org's staff are people from the street community.
Office space is donated. Administration is volunteered. We are a
not-for-profit. We make do on a very small budget.

Here's what you get for your donation:

All donations:
If you would like to give this as a gift donation, please specify and
we will send you a gift card certificate in the person's name.

Documentary film company EyeSteelFilm currently donates office space
and time to HomelessNation.org. For this funding drive, we are also
giving away T-SHIRTS and award-winning DVDs to donors:

Donations over $50:
A choice of any hand-made Silk-Screened T-Shirt (please specify Men's
or Women's, S/M/L/XL)
Available Shirts:
-HomelessNation.org
-EyeSteelFilm
-Up the Yangtze
-Mouse Liberation Front
-Rip: A Remix Manifesto

Donations over $100:
Any available DVD by EyeSteelFilm (NTSC) - SIGNED by the director.
Please specify:
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SPIT: Squeegee Punks in Traffic
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PLEASE SHARE THIS EMAIL. Thank you very much for anything you can
donate. And please check out the website homelessnation.org and browse
the testimonials.

-
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Filmmaker, Head of New Media, EyeSteelFIlm
br...@eyesteelfilm.com - www.eyesteelfilm.com
office: 514-937-4893 mobile: 514-662-5711

RiP: A Remix Manifesto- winner of IDFA Audience Choice Award,
Whistler Film Festival Audience Choice Award,
Festival Nouveau Cinema, Special Jury Award
Next stop - Les Rendez Vous du Cinéma Quebecois 18 Fevrier

Homeless Nation.org, winner of Canadian New Media Award
for Excellence in Social Medi

[videoblogging] Anyone know of a source to post to many videos sites at once

[Ed]

Hi, does anyone know of a source that will take a video and post it to
many different sources such as youtube, etc, so that we avoid having
to visit multiple sites to post the video?  Thanks, Ed. 

Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Rupert]

That should get another few hundred people putting videos on YouTube,  
thinking it's going to make them rich and famous.

On 11-Dec-08, at 10:53 AM, Jay dedman wrote:

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, schlomo rabinowitz  
 wrote:
 > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you  
anything you
 > dont already know:
 > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html? 
_r=2&ref=todayspaper

One creator profiled in this article says:
"Mr. Williams, who counts about 180,000 subscribers to his videos,
said he was earning $17,000 to $20,000 a month via YouTube. "

Could that possibly be true?
that's over 200k a year.

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790





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[videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[michaelaivaliotis]

If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, Vimeo or
even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing experience -
Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling reason? I
think this is the main question that needs to be answered and thought
about before you start redesigning your site.

If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be more of an
"About Me" page with links to your stuff.

On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos and
you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need to do
some serious work on your site.

Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put some
time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You have to
give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept of RSS
feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I watch all
your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to your
site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually never
read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via email:
like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).

For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin here:
http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show related
posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to show
thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
plugin). Still some work there. I'm trying to figure out how to get it
to find thumbnails automatically, like it is done in the BlipIt plugin:
http://www.bravenewcode.com/blipit/

Anyway... more work ahead.
Michael Aivaliotis

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath"  wrote:
>
> I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make things 
> very easy, but when people do come to my site, after maybe seeing a 
> video for the first timeI want it to look as visually appealing 
> as possible and to be able to showcase some of my best stuff and 
> other things/vlogs I like, etcfor me it's more about the "look" 
> of the site.
> 
> I do think you are also right in that it's best to showcase video's 
> on a standalone sight, but then again, how do you get people over 
> there?  Just a header link, an "ad" on your site, etc...
> 
> We spent so much time talking about content, how to make video, how 
> to set up RSS feeds, how to promote your site, etc...but the layout 
> and design we just have pretty much accepted what is out there and 
> made due.let's change that!
> 
> Heath
> http://heathparks.com

Re: [videoblogging] Re: NYT article about what we know

[schlomo rabinowitz]

No, Heath, you don't inflate your numbers when talking to People, only when
talking to the MSM!

Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Heath  wrote:

>   Oh, you are supposed to inflate your numbers?!?!?.well in that
> case hundreds of people subsribe to me and I make nickels every
> yearFTW!!!
>
> Heath
> http://heathparks.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "schlomo rabinowitz"
>  wrote:
> >
> > smpfilms/Williams was one of the first breakout stars as well as a
> > galvanizing force to bring other YouTubers together in real life.
> He
> > helped throw the first couple meatspace meetups.
> > He also takes promotional consideration every chance he gets. Even
> his
> > youtube channel of his cat is HUGE and keeps climbing the Youtube
> charts.
> >
> > He may be inflating numbers (who doesnt?), but I dont think
> he's "that" far
> > off the mark.
> >
> > Schlomo Rabinowitz
> > http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> > http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> > AIM:schlomochat
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jay dedman  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, schlomo rabinowitz
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you
> anything
> > > you
> > > > dont already know:
> > > >
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?
> _r=2&ref=todayspaper
> > >
> > > One creator profiled in this article says:
> > > "Mr. Williams, who counts about 180,000 subscribers to his videos,
> > > said he was earning $17,000 to $20,000 a month via YouTube. "
> > >
> > > Could that possibly be true?
> > > that's over 200k a year.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://jaydedman.com
> > > 917 371 6790
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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[videoblogging] Re: NYT article about what we know

[Heath]

Oh, you are supposed to inflate your numbers?!?!?.well in that 
case hundreds of people subsribe to me and I make nickels every 
yearFTW!!!

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz" 
 wrote:
>
> smpfilms/Williams was one of the first breakout stars as well as a
> galvanizing force to bring other YouTubers together  in real life.  
He
> helped throw the first couple meatspace meetups.
> He also takes promotional consideration every chance he gets.  Even 
his
> youtube channel of his cat is HUGE and keeps climbing the Youtube 
charts.
> 
> He may be inflating numbers (who doesnt?), but I dont think 
he's "that" far
> off the mark.
> 
> Schlomo Rabinowitz
> http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> AIM:schlomochat
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jay dedman  wrote:
> 
> >   On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, schlomo rabinowitz 
>
> > wrote:
> > > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you 
anything
> > you
> > > dont already know:
> > >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?
_r=2&ref=todayspaper
> >
> > One creator profiled in this article says:
> > "Mr. Williams, who counts about 180,000 subscribers to his videos,
> > said he was earning $17,000 to $20,000 a month via YouTube. "
> >
> > Could that possibly be true?
> > that's over 200k a year.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --
> > http://jaydedman.com
> > 917 371 6790
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[schlomo rabinowitz]

smpfilms/Williams was one of the first breakout stars as well as a
galvanizing force to bring other YouTubers together  in real life.  He
helped throw the first couple meatspace meetups.
He also takes promotional consideration every chance he gets.  Even his
youtube channel of his cat is HUGE and keeps climbing the Youtube charts.

He may be inflating numbers (who doesnt?), but I dont think he's "that" far
off the mark.

Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jay dedman  wrote:

>   On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, schlomo rabinowitz 
> >
> wrote:
> > Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything
> you
> > dont already know:
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
>
> One creator profiled in this article says:
> "Mr. Williams, who counts about 180,000 subscribers to his videos,
> said he was earning $17,000 to $20,000 a month via YouTube. "
>
> Could that possibly be true?
> that's over 200k a year.
>
> Jay
>
> --
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
>
>  
>


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Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Jay dedman]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, schlomo rabinowitz  wrote:
> Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything you
> dont already know:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

One creator profiled in this article says:
"Mr. Williams, who counts about 180,000 subscribers to his videos,
said he was earning $17,000 to $20,000 a month via YouTube. "

Could that possibly be true?
that's over 200k a year.

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[Rupert]

I love the vlogwall.  And not just because it's a wall of me.

On 11-Dec-08, at 9:56 AM, @sull wrote:

back when i was playing with the showinabox people, one of my
propositions was to utilize your wordpress rss feed (or other xml
flavor) using the simplepie wordpress plugin (parser) and then build
templates however you want and inject whatever data from the feed that
you want. this was an alternative to staying within the confines of
the wordpress theming engine.

an example of this is located here: http://videobloggers.org/vlogwall/
although this is not using the wordpress feed, instead using a  
mefeedia feed.

the nice thing about it is that you can leave your blog as is and have
an alternative presentation of your content made available to
visitors.

i also like just uisng the flash player + playlisting approach with
some javascript api usage to handle contextual content and comments
etc.

sull

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM, J. N. P.  wrote:
 > Hi!
 >
 > I had a project last year that actually didn't went forward enough to
 > go public, but i had started building the concept and tried the geeky
 > details of it.
 >
 > What i ended up doing was:
 >
 > 1) The wordpress was used to create the content with the categories
 > and tags and from that i extracted various things:
 > 1.1) (video) RSS per categorie;
 > 1.2) archives with the videos on it just as wordpress show content
 > by categories;
 > 1.3) the wordpress view of things is the second way of watch/search
 > the content (very blog like always)
 >
 > 2) But i took the various RSS and with those i created a first page
 > that is actually the Jeroen FLV player (
 > http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Media_Player
 > ), because that playes is very flexible and is capable of being feed
 > with our RSS wordpress... I think you can build a nice TV like that.
 >
 > In alternative you could just use the play lists from blip and use  
the
 > blip player, but doing it the other way you can integrate the flash
 > player in such a way that when you are playing a particular video you
 > end up with that wordpress post/article also showing up somewhere  
in a
 > frame, so that you can still have comments and such.
 >
 > This concept is nothing new and unfortunately i never build it up
 > completely to test it further but i hope some day i will have a new
 > project to build and test it further and hopefully add more to this
 > conversation theme.
 >
 > thats my 2 cents of Euro. ;)
 >
 > Rgds,
 > ZN
 >
 > On Dec 11, 2008, at 17:20 , Jay dedman wrote:
 >
 >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert 
 >> wrote:
 >>> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend,  
and
 >>> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
 >>> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
 >>> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
 >>> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
 >>> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
 >>> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your drag
 >>> & drop desktop idea, Jay.
 >>
 >> im looking forward t what people come up with.
 >> http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks
 >> interesting.
 >> (though i hate the autoload video).
 >> the whole background image is part of the actual function of the  
page.
 >>
 >> Jay
 >>
 >>
 >> --
 >> http://jaydedman.com
 >> 917 371 6790
 >
 >





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Re: [videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[Jay dedman]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM, schlomo rabinowitz 
wrote:
> Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything
you
> dont already know:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

funny, what jumped out at me had nothing to do with videoblogging:

Mr. Buckley, who majored in psychology in college and lives with his husband
> and four dogs in Connecticut, films his show from home.
>

You dont see that often the media where they casually refer to a man's
husband.

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


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Re: [videoblogging] Disposable Film Festival

[schlomo rabinowitz]

It's wy too early on a workday to get stoned, Rupert. Even though I live
in San Francisco, I'll still get in trouble:)
Personally, I don't keep up with festivals much anymore because I don't
care.  Videoblogging early on was a scream AGAINST the festival system,
where you spend a lot of money/make a film/have it die in the festival
circuit. Since then, for the most part, I've walked away from them.

Though I havent totally left them completely, they definitely have gotten a
lower slot on my list of priorities.  Instead, I get the word out on my work
by creating programs and interacting with various communities.  Seems to
make me feel good enough in a like-minded way.

In fact, here in SF, I am helping to tie online video works into a category
in one of our major international flim fests.


Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Rupert  wrote:

>   Well, I'm afraid we must now stone you to death. Sorry.
>
> The thing is, I think we're all so used to getting our stuff
> distributed, watched & commented on, that we don't give the same
> amount of thought to festivals, etc that other filmmakers do. (If
> they didn't get their stuff shown at festivals, it wouldn't get seen
> at all)
>
> So it never occurs to any of us to share this info here. When I used
> to make short fiction films, I used to have a huge list of festivals
> and all their submission dates in my diary. I know it's a different
> deal - but as DFF shows, there are clearly opportunities for our
> clips to enjoy international fun & frolics.
>
> Rupert
> http://twittervlog.tv
>
>
> On 11-Dec-08, at 9:36 AM, schlomo rabinowitz wrote:
>
> I guess this one is my fault, Rupert, as I know these folks and have
> helped
> them in the past.
> I think I share a fair amount here, but some of it slips through the
> cracks!
>
> One of the organizers shoots and edits all the video at chow.com He's
> one of
> us!
>
> Schlomo Rabinowitz
> http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
> http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
> AIM:schlomochat
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Rupert 
> >
>
> wrote:
>
> > Submissions already closed.
> >
> > We're weirdly disorganised about these things in our community. Most
> > filmmaking communities are sharing information about festivals and
> > competitions all the time - and all other opportunities for getting
> > your films seen by a wider audience and getting useful awards/prizes.
> >
> > So many of the people here are making stuff that would take this kind
> > of festival by storm. If I'd known about the DFF, I would have
> > submitted my films and I hope I'd get something in - but it doesn't
> > occur to me to look.
> >
> > Can other people reply with other similar festivals/comps that they
> > know about, and we'll make a wiki page with submission dates?
> >
> > Rupert
> > http://twittervlog.tv
> >
> >
> > On 11-Dec-08, at 7:55 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I like the word "Disposable", but interesting all the same.
> > http://disposablefilmfest.com/about/
> >
> > The Disposable Film Festival was created in 2007 to celebrate the
> > artistic
> > > potential of disposable video: short films made on non-
> > professional devices
> > > such as one-time use video cameras, cell phones, point and shoot
> > cameras,
> > > webcams, computer screen capture software, and other readily
> > available video
> > > capture devices. With people everywhere posting videos online, we
> > felt the
> > > time was right to draw attention to the creative potential of this
> > new mode
> > > of filmmaking. Far beyond its initial roles for video blogging and
> > > documentation, the DFF offers a forum to display how disposable
> > media can be
> > > used for creative purposes. The DFF hosts screenings,
> > competitions, and
> > > other events to showcase the best work within the disposable genre.
> > >
> > > We want your Disposable Films. So, shoot 'em, cut 'em, and send
> > them in.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > http://jaydedman.com
> > 917 371 6790
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[Ron Watson]

That rocks, Sull.

Really nice presentation.

How'd you do it?

I'm going to take a look at it via firebug, but most of the time I  
haven't a clue what I'm looking at.

What video display app is it based on? What's running it?

I'll take the answer privately if you think that's better.

peace,
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Dec 11, 2008, at 12:56 PM, @sull wrote:

> back when i was playing with the showinabox people, one of my
> propositions was to utilize your wordpress rss feed (or other xml
> flavor) using the simplepie wordpress plugin (parser) and then build
> templates however you want and inject whatever data from the feed that
> you want. this was an alternative to staying within the confines of
> the wordpress theming engine.
>
> an example of this is located here: http://videobloggers.org/vlogwall/
> although this is not using the wordpress feed, instead using a  
> mefeedia feed.
>
> the nice thing about it is that you can leave your blog as is and have
> an alternative presentation of your content made available to
> visitors.
>
> i also like just uisng the flash player + playlisting approach with
> some javascript api usage to handle contextual content and comments
> etc.
>
> sull
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM, J. N. P.  wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I had a project last year that actually didn't went forward  
> enough to
> > go public, but i had started building the concept and tried the  
> geeky
> > details of it.
> >
> > What i ended up doing was:
> >
> > 1) The wordpress was used to create the content with the categories
> > and tags and from that i extracted various things:
> > 1.1) (video) RSS per categorie;
> > 1.2) archives with the videos on it just as wordpress show content
> > by categories;
> > 1.3) the wordpress view of things is the second way of watch/search
> > the content (very blog like always)
> >
> > 2) But i took the various RSS and with those i created a first page
> > that is actually the Jeroen FLV player (
> > http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Media_Player
> > ), because that playes is very flexible and is capable of being feed
> > with our RSS wordpress... I think you can build a nice TV like that.
> >
> > In alternative you could just use the play lists from blip and  
> use the
> > blip player, but doing it the other way you can integrate the flash
> > player in such a way that when you are playing a particular video  
> you
> > end up with that wordpress post/article also showing up somewhere  
> in a
> > frame, so that you can still have comments and such.
> >
> > This concept is nothing new and unfortunately i never build it up
> > completely to test it further but i hope some day i will have a new
> > project to build and test it further and hopefully add more to this
> > conversation theme.
> >
> > thats my 2 cents of Euro. ;)
> >
> > Rgds,
> > ZN
> >
> > On Dec 11, 2008, at 17:20 , Jay dedman wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert 
> >> wrote:
> >>> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP  
> backend, and
> >>> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
> >>> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
> >>> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
> >>> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
> >>> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
> >>> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your  
> drag
> >>> & drop desktop idea, Jay.
> >>
> >> im looking forward t what people come up with.
> >> http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks
> >> interesting.
> >> (though i hate the autoload video).
> >> the whole background image is part of the actual function of the  
> page.
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://jaydedman.com
> >> 917 371 6790
> >
> >
>
> 



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[videoblogging] Re: No blogging: different visual creations

[Heath]

That gets me to thinking, I think what could be cool is if you could 
have rotating themes like you have rotating headers for some 
sitesor maybe you could specify a theme based on the tags for 
your postthat would be cool wouldn't it!?!?

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman"  
wrote:
>
> this one is aimed at Heath:
> http://www.redbucketfilms.com/
> 
> if you want to go back to coding html, people are still having fun 
building
> visual websites.
> probably not as helpful if you post often, but why not?
> 
> I remember when ZeFrank started, he was just building is site by 
hand.
> http://www.zefrank.com/
> I cant be sure, but it looks like he moved to a CMS...but still 
looks
> different.
> 
> jay
> 
> -- 
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[@sull]

back when i was playing with the showinabox people, one of my
propositions was to utilize your wordpress rss feed (or other xml
flavor) using the simplepie wordpress plugin (parser) and then build
templates however you want and inject whatever data from the feed that
you want.  this was an alternative to staying within the confines of
the wordpress theming engine.

an example of this is located here:  http://videobloggers.org/vlogwall/
although this is not using the wordpress feed, instead using a mefeedia feed.

the nice thing about it is that you can leave your blog as is and have
an alternative presentation of your content made available to
visitors.

i also like just uisng the flash player + playlisting approach with
some javascript api usage to handle contextual content and comments
etc.

sull

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM, J. N. P.  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I had a project last year that actually didn't went forward enough to
> go public, but i had started building the concept and tried the geeky
> details of it.
>
> What i ended up doing was:
>
> 1) The wordpress was used to create the content with the categories
> and tags and from that i extracted various things:
> 1.1) (video) RSS per categorie;
> 1.2) archives with the videos on it just as wordpress show content
> by categories;
> 1.3) the wordpress view of things is the second way of watch/search
> the content (very blog like always)
>
> 2) But i took the various RSS and with those i created a first page
> that is actually the Jeroen FLV player (
> http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Media_Player
> ), because that playes is very flexible and is capable of being feed
> with our RSS wordpress... I think you can build a nice TV like that.
>
> In alternative you could just use the play lists from blip and use the
> blip player, but doing it the other way you can integrate the flash
> player in such a way that when you are playing a particular video you
> end up with that wordpress post/article also showing up somewhere in a
> frame, so that you can still have comments and such.
>
> This concept is nothing new and unfortunately i never build it up
> completely to test it further but i hope some day i will have a new
> project to build and test it further and hopefully add more to this
> conversation theme.
>
> thats my 2 cents of Euro. ;)
>
> Rgds,
> ZN
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 17:20 , Jay dedman wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert 
>> wrote:
>>> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend, and
>>> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
>>> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
>>> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
>>> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
>>> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
>>> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your drag
>>> & drop desktop idea, Jay.
>>
>> im looking forward t what people come up with.
>> http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks
>> interesting.
>> (though i hate the autoload video).
>> the whole background image is part of the actual function of the page.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://jaydedman.com
>> 917 371 6790
>
> 

Re: [videoblogging] Disposable Film Festival

[Rupert]

Well, I'm afraid we must now stone you to death.  Sorry.

The thing is, I think we're all so used to getting our stuff  
distributed, watched & commented on, that we don't give the same  
amount of thought to festivals, etc that other filmmakers do.  (If  
they didn't get their stuff shown at festivals, it wouldn't get seen  
at all)

So it never occurs to any of us to share this info here.  When I used  
to make short fiction films, I used to have a huge list of festivals  
and all their submission dates in my diary.   I know it's a different  
deal - but as DFF shows, there are clearly opportunities for our  
clips to enjoy international fun & frolics.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 11-Dec-08, at 9:36 AM, schlomo rabinowitz wrote:

I guess this one is my fault, Rupert, as I know these folks and have  
helped
them in the past.
I think I share a fair amount here, but some of it slips through the  
cracks!

One of the organizers shoots and edits all the video at chow.com He's  
one of
us!

Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Rupert   
wrote:

 > Submissions already closed.
 >
 > We're weirdly disorganised about these things in our community. Most
 > filmmaking communities are sharing information about festivals and
 > competitions all the time - and all other opportunities for getting
 > your films seen by a wider audience and getting useful awards/prizes.
 >
 > So many of the people here are making stuff that would take this kind
 > of festival by storm. If I'd known about the DFF, I would have
 > submitted my films and I hope I'd get something in - but it doesn't
 > occur to me to look.
 >
 > Can other people reply with other similar festivals/comps that they
 > know about, and we'll make a wiki page with submission dates?
 >
 > Rupert
 > http://twittervlog.tv
 >
 >
 > On 11-Dec-08, at 7:55 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
 >
 > Not sure I like the word "Disposable", but interesting all the same.
 > http://disposablefilmfest.com/about/
 >
 > The Disposable Film Festival was created in 2007 to celebrate the
 > artistic
 > > potential of disposable video: short films made on non-
 > professional devices
 > > such as one-time use video cameras, cell phones, point and shoot
 > cameras,
 > > webcams, computer screen capture software, and other readily
 > available video
 > > capture devices. With people everywhere posting videos online, we
 > felt the
 > > time was right to draw attention to the creative potential of this
 > new mode
 > > of filmmaking. Far beyond its initial roles for video blogging and
 > > documentation, the DFF offers a forum to display how disposable
 > media can be
 > > used for creative purposes. The DFF hosts screenings,
 > competitions, and
 > > other events to showcase the best work within the disposable genre.
 > >
 > > We want your Disposable Films. So, shoot 'em, cut 'em, and send
 > them in.
 > >
 >
 > --
 > http://jaydedman.com
 > 917 371 6790
 >
 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 >
 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 >
 >
 >

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[videoblogging] NYT article about what we know

[schlomo rabinowitz]

Here's an article in today's NYT that probably doesnt tell you anything you
dont already know:
<
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/business/media/11youtube.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
>

I've met both of the subjects and they are really passionate about their
vids as well as very serious about doing them as a job... and its working
out for them.


Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat


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Re: [videoblogging] Disposable Film Festival

[schlomo rabinowitz]

I guess this one is my fault, Rupert, as I know these folks and have helped
them in the past.
I think I share a fair amount here, but some of it slips through the cracks!

One of the organizers shoots and edits all the video at chow.com He's one of
us!


Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress
http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking
AIM:schlomochat


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Rupert  wrote:

>   Submissions already closed.
>
> We're weirdly disorganised about these things in our community. Most
> filmmaking communities are sharing information about festivals and
> competitions all the time - and all other opportunities for getting
> your films seen by a wider audience and getting useful awards/prizes.
>
> So many of the people here are making stuff that would take this kind
> of festival by storm. If I'd known about the DFF, I would have
> submitted my films and I hope I'd get something in - but it doesn't
> occur to me to look.
>
> Can other people reply with other similar festivals/comps that they
> know about, and we'll make a wiki page with submission dates?
>
> Rupert
> http://twittervlog.tv
>
>
> On 11-Dec-08, at 7:55 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
>
> Not sure I like the word "Disposable", but interesting all the same.
> http://disposablefilmfest.com/about/
>
> The Disposable Film Festival was created in 2007 to celebrate the
> artistic
> > potential of disposable video: short films made on non-
> professional devices
> > such as one-time use video cameras, cell phones, point and shoot
> cameras,
> > webcams, computer screen capture software, and other readily
> available video
> > capture devices. With people everywhere posting videos online, we
> felt the
> > time was right to draw attention to the creative potential of this
> new mode
> > of filmmaking. Far beyond its initial roles for video blogging and
> > documentation, the DFF offers a forum to display how disposable
> media can be
> > used for creative purposes. The DFF hosts screenings,
> competitions, and
> > other events to showcase the best work within the disposable genre.
> >
> > We want your Disposable Films. So, shoot 'em, cut 'em, and send
> them in.
> >
>
> --
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube adds search to embedded videos

[Michael Verdi]

Actually, since Google bought them I think Search has been added to
the top of that list, pushing creators down to number 4.

- Verdi

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Rupert  wrote:
> YouTube's focus has always been firstly on building themselves as a
> network, then on the user, with creators coming in a poor third.  You
> can see this in everything - from their codec & video quality to site
> structure to the way their player embeds and the watermark.
>
> On 11-Dec-08, at 8:04 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
>
> Rick rey has an interesting take on youtube adding search box to
> embedded
> videos.
> http://blog.rickrey.com/post/63100432/regarding-the-new-youtube-
> search-box-in-embedded-videos
>


-- 
http://michaelverdi.com

Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[Michael Verdi]

I set this up 
It's the JW flash player running a playlist of my favorite videos.

- Verdi

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jay dedman  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert  wrote:
>> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend, and
>> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
>> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
>> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
>> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
>> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
>> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your drag
>> & drop desktop idea, Jay.
>
> im looking forward t what people come up with.
> http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks interesting.
> (though i hate the autoload video).
> the whole background image is part of the actual function of the page.
>
> Jay
>
>
> --
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
>
> 
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



-- 
http://michaelverdi.com

Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[J. N. P.]

Hi!


I had a project last year that actually didn't went forward enough to  
go public, but i had started building the concept and tried the geeky  
details of it.

What i ended up doing was:

1) The wordpress was used to create the content with the categories  
and tags and from that i extracted various things:
  1.1) (video) RSS per categorie;
  1.2) archives with the videos on it just as wordpress show content  
by categories;
  1.3) the wordpress view of things is the second way of watch/search  
the content (very blog like always)

2) But i took the various RSS and with those i created a first page  
that is actually the Jeroen FLV player ( 
http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Media_Player 
  ), because that playes is very flexible and is capable of being feed  
with our RSS wordpress... I think you can build a nice TV like that.

In alternative you could just use the play lists from blip and use the  
blip player, but doing it the other way you can integrate the flash  
player in such a way that when you are playing a particular video you  
end up with that wordpress post/article also showing up somewhere in a  
frame, so that you can still have comments and such.

This concept is nothing new and unfortunately i never build it up  
completely to test it further but i hope some day i will have a new  
project to build and test it further and hopefully add more to this  
conversation theme.

thats my 2 cents of Euro. ;)

Rgds,
ZN


On Dec 11, 2008, at 17:20 , Jay dedman wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend, and
>> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
>> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
>> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
>> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
>> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
>> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your drag
>> & drop desktop idea, Jay.
>
> im looking forward t what people come up with.
> http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks  
> interesting.
> (though i hate the autoload video).
> the whole background image is part of the actual function of the page.
>
> Jay
>
>
> -- 
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Ron Watson]

I've been part of many list based 'communities', and I really don't  
see them as being communities.

This list is one of the best I've seen as far as avoiding flame wars  
and such, but when people are afraid to post links because they don't  
want to 'spam' the list, is that really a community?

peace,
Ron


On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Kath O'Donnell wrote:

> re Ron's link to
> >Community is the new capitalism:
> >> Community is More than Dollars and Cents
>
> I thought we already were a community - this mail list. when people
> post links in their sigs others can check them out & comment/continue
> conversations there or reply to email privately. the vlomo type
> projects seem good too for bursts of sub-communities too though it's
> hard to maintain focus / be able to post regularly at times. other
> online communities I've been involved with for years have been via
> mail lists or forums/msg boards. some post links/videos etc. I don't
> think the platform / medium really matters though - it's more about
> the involvement of the people & the discussions & interactions that
> keep people coming back. I don't know - maybe people should include
> their 'featured posts/videos' links in an email sig or do an
> announcement every now & then if they have something special. perhaps
> some don't like doing 'shameless self promotion' or there's risks of
> too much spam.
>
> for a website with content, personally I find a CMS eg drupal site a
> better format than a blog-only one as there's multiple ways people can
> come across posts & be presented / organised. but mostly because
> that's what I've used most often too. and their themes are even better
> these days for people who want more flexibility (though I haven't
> updated my sites' themes yet - still using default ones)
>
> kath
>
> 



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Re: [videoblogging] Disposable Film Festival

[Rupert]

Submissions already closed.

We're weirdly disorganised about these things in our community.  Most  
filmmaking communities are sharing information about festivals and  
competitions all the time - and all other opportunities for getting  
your films seen by a wider audience and getting useful awards/prizes.

So many of the people here are making stuff that would take this kind  
of festival by storm.  If I'd known about the DFF, I would have  
submitted my films and I hope I'd get something in - but it doesn't  
occur to me to look.

Can other people reply with other similar festivals/comps that they  
know about, and we'll make a wiki page with submission dates?

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 11-Dec-08, at 7:55 AM, Jay dedman wrote:

Not sure I like the word "Disposable", but interesting all the same.
http://disposablefilmfest.com/about/

The Disposable Film Festival was created in 2007 to celebrate the  
artistic
 > potential of disposable video: short films made on non- 
professional devices
 > such as one-time use video cameras, cell phones, point and shoot  
cameras,
 > webcams, computer screen capture software, and other readily  
available video
 > capture devices. With people everywhere posting videos online, we  
felt the
 > time was right to draw attention to the creative potential of this  
new mode
 > of filmmaking. Far beyond its initial roles for video blogging and
 > documentation, the DFF offers a forum to display how disposable  
media can be
 > used for creative purposes. The DFF hosts screenings,  
competitions, and
 > other events to showcase the best work within the disposable genre.
 >
 > We want your Disposable Films. So, shoot 'em, cut 'em, and send  
them in.
 >

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

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Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[Jay dedman]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend, and
> having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots
> leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture
> that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage
> I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.
> I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http://
> www.sydneyraewhite.com - it'd be like a manual version of your drag
> & drop desktop idea, Jay.

im looking forward t what people come up with.
http://www.vbs.tv/ is another example of making the page looks interesting.
(though i hate the autoload video).
the whole background image is part of the actual function of the page.

Jay


-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

Re: [videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[Rupert]

One of the options I'm considering is still using my WP backend, and  
having a front page which was big image map with various hotspots  
leading to different videos, categories & pages - either a picture  
that I could either draw & scan & make amendments to, or a collage  
I'd make in Illustrator/Photoshop.

I've made some sites for clients like this - eg http:// 
www.sydneyraewhite.com -  it'd be like a manual version of your drag  
& drop desktop idea, Jay.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 11-Dec-08, at 8:00 AM, Jay dedman wrote:

this one is aimed at Heath:
http://www.redbucketfilms.com/

if you want to go back to coding html, people are still having fun  
building
visual websites.
probably not as helpful if you post often, but why not?

I remember when ZeFrank started, he was just building is site by hand.
http://www.zefrank.com/
I cant be sure, but it looks like he moved to a CMS...but still looks
different.

jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

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Re: [videoblogging] Youtube adds search to embedded videos

[Rupert]

YouTube's focus has always been firstly on building themselves as a  
network, then on the user, with creators coming in a poor third.  You  
can see this in everything - from their codec & video quality to site  
structure to the way their player embeds and the watermark.

On 11-Dec-08, at 8:04 AM, Jay dedman wrote:

Rick rey has an interesting take on youtube adding search box to  
embedded
videos.
http://blog.rickrey.com/post/63100432/regarding-the-new-youtube- 
search-box-in-embedded-videos

 > I don't like it. It's further proof that YouTube is a technology  
company,
 > not an entertainment company. They are sacrificing the quality of  
the user's
 > experience for a small bump in usability. Not to mention, it's  
kind of a
 > slap in the face to content creators who work hard to keep viewers  
engaged.
 > It's just one more distraction on top of the umpteen others we're  
up against
 > to keep your attention.
 >
This is another data point when choosing what video service you  
really like.
are they supporting you as a creator, or are you supporting them as a
network?

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790

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[videoblogging] Youtube adds search to embedded videos

[Jay dedman]

Rick rey has an interesting take on youtube adding search box to embedded
videos.
http://blog.rickrey.com/post/63100432/regarding-the-new-youtube-search-box-in-embedded-videos

> I don't like it. It's further proof that YouTube is a technology company,
> not an entertainment company. They are sacrificing the quality of the user's
> experience for a small bump in usability. Not to mention, it's kind of a
> slap in the face to content creators who work hard to keep viewers engaged.
> It's just one more distraction on top of the umpteen others we're up against
> to keep your attention.
>
This is another data point when choosing what video service you really like.
are they supporting you as a creator, or are you supporting them as a
network?

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


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[videoblogging] No blogging: different visual creations

[Jay dedman]

this one is aimed at Heath:
http://www.redbucketfilms.com/

if you want to go back to coding html, people are still having fun building
visual websites.
probably not as helpful if you post often, but why not?

I remember when ZeFrank started, he was just building is site by hand.
http://www.zefrank.com/
I cant be sure, but it looks like he moved to a CMS...but still looks
different.

jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


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[videoblogging] Disposable Film Festival

[Jay dedman]

Not sure I like the word "Disposable", but interesting all the same.
http://disposablefilmfest.com/about/

The Disposable Film Festival was created in 2007 to celebrate the artistic
> potential of disposable video: short films made on non-professional devices
> such as one-time use video cameras, cell phones, point and shoot cameras,
> webcams, computer screen capture software, and other readily available video
> capture devices. With people everywhere posting videos online, we felt the
> time was right to draw attention to the creative potential of this new mode
> of filmmaking. Far beyond its initial roles for video blogging and
> documentation, the DFF offers a forum to display how disposable media can be
> used for creative purposes. The DFF hosts screenings, competitions, and
> other events to showcase the best work within the disposable genre.
>
> We want your Disposable Films. So, shoot 'em, cut 'em, and send them in.
>

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


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[videoblogging] Want someone to listen to you?

[Jay dedman]

Video Vortex is looking for speakers for their event next year.
Win a trip to Croatia!
http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/videovortex/archives/108

I know there are some folks here who have a good take on these issues:

*Telepresence and Web Aesthetics*
> Video meets Web aesthetics: how is the phenomenon of 'telepresence'
> incorporated in various art forms, such as music, theater, visual arts,
> literature and cinema? What are underlying aesthetics and what are the
> specific interface contexts?
>
> *Social Cinema*
> Has cinema found its way onto the Web? Did it change the essential features
> of cinema? What are the new possibilities of collaborative production? Does
> the future of film museums and cinematheques lie in online cinematic
> databases?
> *
> Architecture and Moving Image*
> Online video offers an immense database of moving images, which could be
> displayed in urban public space. What are the existing cinematographic
> visions of the future of the moving image in public space? (In films such as
> Blade Runner, Minority Report, Children of Men, etc.) Which visions can be
> directly implemented, and which will remain film scenography?
>
> *Video Sharing*
> What are the standards and alternatives for sharing, licensing and hosting
> moving images on the Web? This theme explores issues around the
> distribution, licensing, collaborative production, and video hosting.
>
> *Technology and politics of the moving image*
> What is the future of visual browsers? How does moving image production
> relate to cultural, technological and political dominance? Open standards
> and codex politics. Surveillance issues.
>
> *Literature and video online narrative*
> Narrative strategies on the Web. From screenplay writing with hypertext,
> the broadcasted self and narrative avatars to collective narrative processes
> leading to Web literature, tag based video narrativity, public journalism
> and performative real-time literature
>

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


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[videoblogging] Re: NEW: WordPress 2.7 “Coltrane”

[Heath]

I like the idea of never having to manually update again...thank 
godI was a nervous wreck each time I upgraded.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://wordpress.org/development/2008/12/coltrane/
> 
> This is pertaining to the admin page, but i like the talk of drag 
and drop:
> 
> "Digging in further you might notice that every screen is 
customizable.
> > Let's say you never care about author on your post listings — 
just click
> > "Screen Options" and uncheck it and it's instantly gone from the 
page. The
> > same for any module on the dashboard or write screen. If your 
screen is
> > narrow and the menu is taking up too much horizontal room, click 
the arrow
> > to minimize it to be icon-only, and then go to the write page and 
drag and
> > drop everything from the right column into the main one, so your 
posting
> > area is full-screen."
> >
> 
> -- 
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Kath O'Donnell]

re Ron's link to
>Community is the new capitalism:
>> Community is More than Dollars and Cents

I thought we already were a community - this mail list. when people
post links in their sigs others can check them out & comment/continue
conversations there or reply to email privately. the vlomo type
projects seem good too for bursts of sub-communities too though it's
hard to maintain focus / be able to post regularly at times. other
online communities I've been involved with for years have been via
mail lists or forums/msg boards. some post links/videos etc. I don't
think the platform / medium really matters though - it's more about
the involvement of the people & the discussions & interactions that
keep people coming back. I don't know - maybe people should include
their 'featured posts/videos' links in an email sig or do an
announcement every now & then if they have something special. perhaps
some don't like doing 'shameless self promotion' or there's risks of
too much spam.

for a website with content, personally I find a CMS eg drupal site a
better format than a blog-only one as there's multiple ways people can
come across posts & be presented / organised. but mostly because
that's what I've used most often too. and their themes are even better
these days for people who want more flexibility (though I haven't
updated my sites' themes yet - still using default ones)

kath

[videoblogging] NEW: WordPress 2.7 “Coltrane”

[Jay dedman]

http://wordpress.org/development/2008/12/coltrane/

This is pertaining to the admin page, but i like the talk of drag and drop:

"Digging in further you might notice that every screen is customizable.
> Let's say you never care about author on your post listings — just click
> "Screen Options" and uncheck it and it's instantly gone from the page. The
> same for any module on the dashboard or write screen. If your screen is
> narrow and the menu is taking up too much horizontal room, click the arrow
> to minimize it to be icon-only, and then go to the write page and drag and
> drop everything from the right column into the main one, so your posting
> area is full-screen."
>

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


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[videoblogging] Re: Does the "Blog" format work for Vlogging anymore?

[Heath]

I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make things 
very easy, but when people do come to my site, after maybe seeing a 
video for the first timeI want it to look as visually appealing 
as possible and to be able to showcase some of my best stuff and 
other things/vlogs I like, etcfor me it's more about the "look" 
of the site.

I do think you are also right in that it's best to showcase video's 
on a standalone sight, but then again, how do you get people over 
there?  Just a header link, an "ad" on your site, etc...

We spent so much time talking about content, how to make video, how 
to set up RSS feeds, how to promote your site, etc...but the layout 
and design we just have pretty much accepted what is out there and 
made due.let's change that!

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "RatbagMedia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The core complication isn't so much video per se but the whole Web 
2.0
> multimedia explosion. Text is easy to format and showcase -- we've
> been laying it out for centuries -- but digital media is a major
> complication. 
> 
> I come from audio blogging/podcasting and the rot sets in when you 
try
> to combine media elements -- in my case: text + audio + digital
> presentations ('powerpoints') + slide shows + videos. While this
> discussion list no doubt has some QuickTime preferences the unifying
> (and contradictory) element on the web is flash media.
> 
> That changes the dialogue a lot.
> 
> In mindset I'm a total bloggerfile as I know nuthin'  else to speak
> about so I tend to pursue the glorious  quest of trying to get as 
much
> return as I can from the one blog platform -- in my case , Blogger.
> Thats' all I know.
> 
> Nonetheless I think the Blip TV channel player is the best media
> showcase hardware I've come across on the web. So that guests on my
> videoblog too.
> 
> Elsewhere I am very eclectic and in other blogs I work on I like to
> use Vodpod widgets and the new Vodspot platform.
> 
> http://blog.vodpod.com/2008/12/09/announcing-vodspot/
> 
> and I cross post like mad --albeit selectively.
> 
> While I will subscribe keenly to an audio feed and automatically
> download the Mp3 files I won't do that for video, preferring instead
> to monitor videoblogging sites by subscribing to their feeds in 
Google
> reader. I then quickly review their content before deciding to
> continue watching. ( I don't however sample audio like that.)
> 
> So what the site looks like is neither here nor there as RSS rules.
> 
> Nonetheless with site showcasing -- and I do this with audio -- it 
is
> often useful to divide up your offerings into themes. I currently
> offer standalone players for "Best of" my videos, " Videos from
> elsewhere" and my own all-in channel in the same way that I always
> divide up my audio wares and offer them in pop up players.
> 
> But the reality is, I fear, that no one knows how to design the best
> of all possible web or video sites so there are all these people
> working away at the coal face, tweaking as they go -- designing a 
> better mousetrap
> 
> Nonethless,some of the best video feeds I subscribe can emanate from
> the most sterile of CSS sites. So let's not get too caught up 
in 
> form over content.
> 
> dave riley
> http://ratbaggy.blogspot.com/
>