[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Thanks Mike, I appreciate the advice from the source! andy --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy, I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account per show. Yours, Mike Blip.tv -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andydragt Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:30 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Can I just ask a clarifying question... It's seems like conventional wisdom has recommended against using a seperate blip account for each vlog. However, with the new show player, it makes sense to have your content in seperate accounts. Otherwise it's pretty much useless. Heres the question: Is this two weeks comment about a solution to this problem or should I begin to seperate my content into different accounts so I have the option of using the player on one of my sites? Am I right in understanding the best practice has been to have only one account and cross-post to different blogs? thanks all, Andy Dragt www.developinggr.com - a vlog about development in GR, MI www.developinggr.com/house - a vlog about my home renovation... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Again, THANKS for the heads up! You folks rock! Keep up the great work :) Cheers, Andy developinggr.com developinggr.com/house --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jen, We're definitely moving in this direction, it's just going to take us a little while. Because of the way the blip software was originally developed it's a big difficult for us. But we do want things to work this way in the future, no doubt. In the meantime, it's in our roadmap to relax the e-mail requirements really soon. The one email/show/user requirement was designed to prevent spam. We're going to move to requiring a CAPTCHA for signup in an upcoming release (hopefully this one coming up in two weeks, maybe the one after that) and remove the unique e-mail requirement. From there we'll definitely be looking at ways to become more Blogger-like in the way we handle accounts and shows. It'll probably take us a little while, though :( Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen Simmons Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:05 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player In blogger, it's easy to have multiple blogs in one account. Sign in under one name, pick the blog to work on, and go there. In blip, blip assumes one person = one account = one 'show'. I've got multiple blip accounts going, and have to sign in and sign out to get to each one. Plus, in order to get those multiple accounts, I had to use unique email addresses for each one, and have run out of real email address. So now to create new accounts, I have to go make an email account, and then use that for blip. Hm. Can blip be retooled at some point to make it more like blogger? One sign-in. AND -- have the ability to add other people to the people allowed to work on that account. So I can setup accounts for clients using my log -in, and then invite them to join in... yet still be able to get in myself, and have those log-ins be separate. (Allowing me the ability to uninvite, and for each of us to have different passwords / not get into multiple people knowing passwords) -- just like how blogger works. Jen On Apr 21, 2007, at 8:53 am, Mike Hudack wrote: Andy, I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account per show. Yours, Mike Blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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Here. Here. Just beginning to work with the new Show Player now. Grinding through the wee 3gp files. Wonder what it'll do with the audio only? Feels like Geek Christmas morning. Jan On 4/23/07, bestdamntechshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had similar experiences with blip. They're awesome and always available to help in any way they can. We're lucky folks to have them around. _drew --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think, by and large, that blip.tv has done well in the first rollout of their ShowPlayer. gardenfork has become less and less a blog and more of what i call an internet video show. gardenfork's audience is mainly people who watch DIY-gardening-cooking shows on cable, and for some reason have run across gardenfork.tv . they don't get the blog format ( meaning they have to scroll down to watch older episodes) , nor do they know what an RSS feed is. blip.tv's ShowPlayer works well for gardenfork. previously we ran the brightcove player, but the company behind it was not nearly as pro- active as blip is in our world here. i emailed blip 3 times today, and heard back within an hour each time. this from a company comprised of about 8 people. the initial rollout of any software has some bumps in the road. thx, eric. http://gardenfork.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yeah, someone really needs to invent THE killer ap -- imagine it, and it exists. Funny how there's always a gap between those two... spam :( blip perfect as it is now :) blip perfect as it will be :) j On Apr 22, 2007, at 4:32 pm, Mike Hudack wrote: Jen, We're definitely moving in this direction, it's just going to take us a little while. Because of the way the blip software was originally developed it's a big difficult for us. But we do want things to work this way in the future, no doubt. In the meantime, it's in our roadmap to relax the e-mail requirements really soon. The one email/show/user requirement was designed to prevent spam. We're going to move to requiring a CAPTCHA for signup in an upcoming release (hopefully this one coming up in two weeks, maybe the one after that) and remove the unique e-mail requirement. From there we'll definitely be looking at ways to become more Blogger-like in the way we handle accounts and shows. It'll probably take us a little while, though :( Yours, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
I've had similar experiences with blip. They're awesome and always available to help in any way they can. We're lucky folks to have them around. _drew --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think, by and large, that blip.tv has done well in the first rollout of their ShowPlayer. gardenfork has become less and less a blog and more of what i call an internet video show. gardenfork's audience is mainly people who watch DIY-gardening-cooking shows on cable, and for some reason have run across gardenfork.tv . they don't get the blog format ( meaning they have to scroll down to watch older episodes) , nor do they know what an RSS feed is. blip.tv's ShowPlayer works well for gardenfork. previously we ran the brightcove player, but the company behind it was not nearly as pro- active as blip is in our world here. i emailed blip 3 times today, and heard back within an hour each time. this from a company comprised of about 8 people. the initial rollout of any software has some bumps in the road. thx, eric. http://gardenfork.tv
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In blogger, it's easy to have multiple blogs in one account. Sign in under one name, pick the blog to work on, and go there. In blip, blip assumes one person = one account = one 'show'. I've got multiple blip accounts going, and have to sign in and sign out to get to each one. Plus, in order to get those multiple accounts, I had to use unique email addresses for each one, and have run out of real email address. So now to create new accounts, I have to go make an email account, and then use that for blip. Hm. Can blip be retooled at some point to make it more like blogger? One sign-in. AND -- have the ability to add other people to the people allowed to work on that account. So I can setup accounts for clients using my log -in, and then invite them to join in... yet still be able to get in myself, and have those log-ins be separate. (Allowing me the ability to uninvite, and for each of us to have different passwords / not get into multiple people knowing passwords) -- just like how blogger works. Jen On Apr 21, 2007, at 8:53 am, Mike Hudack wrote: Andy, I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account per show. Yours, Mike Blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Andy, I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account per show. Yours, Mike Blip.tv -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andydragt Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:30 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Can I just ask a clarifying question... It's seems like conventional wisdom has recommended against using a seperate blip account for each vlog. However, with the new show player, it makes sense to have your content in seperate accounts. Otherwise it's pretty much useless. Heres the question: Is this two weeks comment about a solution to this problem or should I begin to seperate my content into different accounts so I have the option of using the player on one of my sites? Am I right in understanding the best practice has been to have only one account and cross-post to different blogs? thanks all, Andy Dragt www.developinggr.com - a vlog about development in GR, MI www.developinggr.com/house - a vlog about my home renovation... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Can I just ask a clarifying question... It's seems like conventional wisdom has recommended against using a seperate blip account for each vlog. However, with the new show player, it makes sense to have your content in seperate accounts. Otherwise it's pretty much useless. Heres the question: Is this two weeks comment about a solution to this problem or should I begin to seperate my content into different accounts so I have the option of using the player on one of my sites? Am I right in understanding the best practice has been to have only one account and cross-post to different blogs? thanks all, Andy Dragt www.developinggr.com - a vlog about development in GR, MI www.developinggr.com/house - a vlog about my home renovation... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Ah, yes, multiple playlists. They're on the list. The Show Player is already capable of accommodating up to half a dozen playlists, we just have to build the interface to allow people to configure them. They're coming :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackson West Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:12 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Rad. I agree with Sull -- been waitin' for multiple playlists. :) JW On 4/19/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andydragt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I just ask a clarifying question... It's seems like conventional wisdom has recommended against using a seperate blip account for each vlog. However, with the new show player, it makes sense to have your content in seperate accounts. Otherwise it's pretty much useless. Do you have a link to this conventional wisdom? I have four blip shows because they have nothing to do with each other. To post everything to one show would be completely disruptive. With the new blip player, I have all four shows on one page... each show having its own episode guide. If someone wants to see something larger, they click fullscreen in any of the players. Heres the question: Is this two weeks comment about a solution to this problem or should I begin to seperate my content into different accounts so I have the option of using the player on one of my sites? Am I right in understanding the best practice has been to have only one account and cross-post to different blogs? thanks all, Andy Dragt www.developinggr.com - a vlog about development in GR, MI www.developinggr.com/house - a vlog about my home renovation... Unless all of your videoblogs are about the same topic, the way blip has been in the past, I think it's better to have one show for each of your topics. If people tune in to your show about development, they won't necessarily be interested in videos now and then about home renovation. OTOH, it depends how you're using blip as a host. If you never direct people to your blip pages, then it makes sense to only have one blip account and let your blog handle separating them into categories and feeds. I'd be interested to hear why someone thinks it's better to have one blip account with four unrelated topics in it than to have four focused blip accounts. -- Bill C. http://BillCammack.com (all four players) http://reelsolid.blip.tv http://ems.blip.tv http://thelab.blip.tv http://masamibillshow.blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I
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Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think
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Rad. I agree with Sull -- been waitin' for multiple playlists. :) JW On 4/19/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player
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sounds great--thinking about changing up my homepage once that feature comes out. thanks;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two weeks. :) Yours, Mike -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through
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I'm really digging the new player. However, right now my latest posted video is breaking the player. It completed the Flash conversion, but perhaps there is a secondary conversion happening in the background just for the new player? I'm going to try using the new player for my most recent video (i.e. the MN Stories home page). When that video becomes yesterday's video, I'll switch to the old embed method so the correct video plays in the permalink. Yes, it would be nice to specify which video plays first for permalink purposes. Also, there are some videos I don't want popping up in the player - like the Justin.tv sex video. So I just labeled that video as explicit content and it smartly is not included in the player videos. All in all, GREAT job Blip.tv! -chuck http://mnstories.com
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The blip player is an addition, not a replacement, for the reasons stated below. It's good to have permalinks and commenting for people that are going to utilize permalinks and comments. You don't want to twitter someone to a page with your blip player if you're trying to point them to a single video because the player auto-updates. As soon as you add another video to that show, the link is useless. OTOH, for people that DON'T use permalinks, the blip player's great. I just changed my front page to house four blip players, representing each one of my current shows. Each show has its own episode guide and navigation controls, AND any one of them can be played full-screen. :) This means I can send people that don't know anything about permalinks to one page, and they can browse all of my episodes right from there. The other thing that's useful about it is the auto-play, because people don't tend to surf my site. They look at the page they landed on, then they exit. With episode guides and descriptions available, as well as the video continuing to the next one when the current one finishes, I think that will increase the likelihood that more people will see multiple videos of mine instead of just one. Simply by having four players on the same screen, there's the possibility that they'll explore a show that they've never heard of or didn't come to the site to check out. The player's also good if you want to embed a dynamic version of your show in general instead of your page in particular. Instead of having to announce updates, the player gets the update as soon as it posts to blip and gets encoded to flash. -- Bill C. http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning. http://www.stevegarfield.com/ I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html In the blog post I say, vlogs are dead. ;-) It's a joke, but also ironic since the reason for initially using blogs to post video in the first place was a technical one. There wasn't any easy way to post video to the web. Once I figured out that I could put video in a blog post, I got a very easy way to publish videos, along with the added benefits of that video being included in a blog post. But that method, over time, introduced the problems of old videos getting lost in archives, and not having an easy way to browse through videos. There are a lot of companies now bringing to the market ways to make it easy to surf videos and I'm glad that blip.tv has given me a way to allow people to browse my archives that are hosted with blip.tv. --Steve On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield steve@ wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning. http://www.stevegarfield.com/ I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html In the blog post I say, vlogs are dead. ;-) It's a joke, but also ironic since the reason for initially using blogs to post video in the first place was a technical one. There wasn't any easy way to post video to the web. Once I figured out that I could put video in a blog post, I got a very easy way to publish videos, along with the added benefits of that video being included in a blog post. But that method, over time, introduced the problems of old videos getting lost in archives, and not having an easy way to browse through videos. There are a lot of companies now bringing to the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield steve@ wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning. http://www.stevegarfield.com/ I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html In the blog post I say, vlogs are dead. ;-) It's a joke, but also ironic since the reason for initially using blogs to post video in the first place was a technical one.
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Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield steve@ wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
As far as I can tell, there are no parameters for order of videos, and there's no parameter for which video to start with. It seems like the function is an up-to-date player of your latest video, with the opportunity to use the FF and Rewind buttons to scroll through the videos one by one OR the option to use the guide and select an episode from the rest of the list. You can ask them in the blip user group: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/blip-users/ -- Bill C. BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mattfeldman78 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering? -Matt http://neovids.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on
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for video festivals is also great, for new submissions show up automatically. thanks! On 4/16/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for things like user profiles on various social networks. - Verdi On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED]BillCammack%40alum.mit.edu wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows, basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages. This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing that seems to update with the individual video is if you click guide and then read more about this on blip.tv, which takes you to the individual video's page on blip. -- Bill C. BillCammack.com Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi
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Grace at http://www.fearlesscooking.tv used it in her new post. I like the built in episode guide. The text for the episode description is a bit small (in terms of my parents being able to read it!). It'd be nice if there was a clearer Commenting Link. I may have missed it but I think now you have to click on Read More About This Post on Blip. Maybe we'll see a shift from blog structured websites to more emphasis on custom site design around a single embedded player. Variety would be nice, the blog structure isn't really ideal for all. Neato. AV http://www.aaronvaldez.com --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows
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Verdilicious - Points well taken. I think the blog format isn't for everyone. I've switched one of my three videoblogs back over to standard site because I found I didn't need things like commenting, permalinks, or categories. I use my blip acct to update RSS subscribers on this site. My other two sites that include a big chunk of text and photos along with video in their posts are meant for a blog format. Like anything I think people should evaluate what they are doing, what they want to do and find the best suitable format. (It would be nice to have a customizable player sort of like wordpress widgets where you can pick and choose what elements are included on your player.) AV --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning. http://www.stevegarfield.com/ I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html In the blog post I say, vlogs are dead. ;-) It's a joke, but also ironic since the reason for initially using blogs to post video in the first place was a technical one. There wasn't any easy way to post video to the web. Once I figured out that I could put video in a blog post, I got a very easy way to publish videos, along with the added benefits of that video being included in a blog post. But that method, over time, introduced the problems of old videos getting lost in archives, and not having an easy way to browse through videos. There are a lot of companies now bringing to the market ways to make it easy to surf videos and I'm glad that blip.tv has given me a way to allow people to browse my archives that are hosted with blip.tv. --Steve On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like experience to be completely available from within a flash player. Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on another site or used as a widget. I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice. Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab. I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide players with separate episode bars to one side of the video. Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player. I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting, copy paste and everything else we've built to support the blog format aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're going to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't right for everyone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player Aaron Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for people are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but the price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks, comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is really built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only shows and links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go on the blip blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to leave a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing pulls in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of course you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show player at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about dropping it. - Verdi On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning. http://www.stevegarfield.com/ I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html In the blog post I say, vlogs are dead. ;-) It's a joke, but also ironic since the reason for initially using blogs to post video in the first place was a technical one. There wasn't any easy way to post video to the web. Once I figured out that I could put video in a blog post, I got a very easy way to publish videos, along with the added benefits of that video being included in a blog post. But that method, over time, introduced the problems of old videos getting lost in archives, and not having an easy way to browse through videos. There are a lot of companies now bringing to the market ways to make it easy to surf videos and I'm glad that blip.tv has given me a way to allow people to browse my archives that are hosted with blip.tv. --Steve On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where video is headed: the containment of all information in the video container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature shows this capability. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com
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The customizable branding is terrific! John
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Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) On 4/15/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where video is headed: the containment of all information in the video container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature shows this capability. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
There are a lot of these players coming out now. If it were possible to create permalinks so that a link would take you to the site AND make the player play a certain episode, that'd be perfect. Crowdabout.us have recently released a similar large Show player - 2 weeks ago - and allowed anonymous commenting without logging into their site (which you had to do before). So you and your viewers can use their commenting and posting system, putting information and conversations at specific points along the timeline of your videos (with great RSS). I strongly advise you to check it out. It runs straight off your Blip RSS - they just pull in your flv files from Blip and then allow their commenting. At the moment, though, I want people to be able to link to specific episodes, not just watch the latest by default. I wrote to Crowdabout.us and asked them if they could produce another player, which allowed specific episodes to be played within individual permalinked blog posts. I hope they're going to do it. If they do, I will switch straightaway to using their players. The show player on the Home page and the individual players within the individual post pages. This kind of functionality is moving towards what Steve Elbows has talked about here for a long time and which I am always very excited about the possibility of - everything contained within one player - a multipurpose blog tool. The idea of making the videos themselves richer with easy custom hyperlinks and hotspots is also something I salivate over. I think people will start to build all this stuff in as the more advanced players get more popular. Wish it would all happen right now, though. Technologically, I can't see any reason why it shouldn't. Surely just a question of incentive, energy and inspiration. Maybe Elbows will come up with some blueprints - now he's overcome his Flashphobia ;) If I can help at all, even just as a sounding board, let me know. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 15 Apr 2007, at 19:45, joshpaul wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) On 4/15/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where video is headed: the containment of all information in the video container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature shows this capability. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
May be worth bringing up at the Microformats for Media Web 2.0 Expo Open session lead by Mary Hodder (Tue 2 pm.) I'll mention it. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, joshpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) On 4/15/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where video is headed: the containment of all information in the video container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature shows this capability. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
I reckon part of the cause of that is that many implementations of embedded metadata were done many years before video took off on the net. So there are cobwebs all over the place, no buzz, no hoards of would-be web 2 billionaries creating new versions of the tools, and largely no recognition by the original implementers (eg Apple with quicktime) that they could dig up these slumbering efforts and merge them with the new generation of net video syndication smil and whatever. It wouldnt be easy, theres a bit too much overlap, and things arent joined up enough. Its a pain for the user to enter the metadata into the media with the poor GUI things like quicktime give to do it. Then no site/software bothers reading this embedded information, or your video gets transcoded into another format and its lost. SMIL could be used and could be embedded in a mov, but then pure mp4 is mor compatible with a range of devices. And quicktime supports SMIL 1 and real player on my phone supports SMIL 2. Mess, mess, mess. So I gave up on that sort of thing, and look to flash to provide a glossy wrapper that delivers the results that would ideally be possible using 1 technology embedded metadata, but in reality are coming from all sorts of different sources and are mashed together nicely. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, joshpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) On 4/15/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where video is headed: the containment of all information in the video container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature shows this capability. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Im glad crowdabout have implemented a fully embeddable version of their exciting features. I considered using them for my videoblogweek stuff, but I rushed the hosting/formats side of things, and personally I feel like crowdabouts sucess might be hampered by their choice of layout of their features visually. Id like a smaller version of thee player where the stuff that currently opens in windows at the side, is overlayed on top of the video. And a smaller timeline thats still just as functional because it can be zoomed in or out when theres a lot of conversation markers on a clip. But thats would take quite a bit of work to achieve all that Im sure. I am a huge fan of the concept, thats for sure, just not the GUI. Dont give me too much credit for talking about 'whole blog in a player' stuff for ages, its only been a month or so I guess. Anyway it does seem to be happening, but its unclear how much of the blog will make it into mainstream implementations of this sort of thing, so it would be nice if some vloggers who care about the blog part could help add momentum for this stuff. Im up for it, I enjoyed vlogging the other week and Im tired of listening to myself waffle and never do anything, . But right now when I go to get Flash I seem to be stuck ina bad moment before the new version of flash is released. Doh, can I get a trial of the previous version? Meanwhile on the radar of whats out there in terms of code people can download and install themselves, some fine efforts such as vPiP seem rather more closed when it comes to the flash player, which is fair enough, thats up to them. So Ive een seeign what else is out ther, this looks promising: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Flash_Video_Player This wordpress plugin version of that is currently floating my boat, off to have a look at it in more detail: http://alexrabe.boelinger.com/?page_id=20 Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of these players coming out now. If it were possible to create permalinks so that a link would take you to the site AND make the player play a certain episode, that'd be perfect. Crowdabout.us have recently released a similar large Show player - 2 weeks ago - and allowed anonymous commenting without logging into their site (which you had to do before). So you and your viewers can use their commenting and posting system, putting information and conversations at specific points along the timeline of your videos (with great RSS). I strongly advise you to check it out. It runs straight off your Blip RSS - they just pull in your flv files from Blip and then allow their commenting. At the moment, though, I want people to be able to link to specific episodes, not just watch the latest by default. I wrote to Crowdabout.us and asked them if they could produce another player, which allowed specific episodes to be played within individual permalinked blog posts. I hope they're going to do it. If they do, I will switch straightaway to using their players. The show player on the Home page and the individual players within the individual post pages. This kind of functionality is moving towards what Steve Elbows has talked about here for a long time and which I am always very excited about the possibility of - everything contained within one player - a multipurpose blog tool. The idea of making the videos themselves richer with easy custom hyperlinks and hotspots is also something I salivate over. I think people will start to build all this stuff in as the more advanced players get more popular. Wish it would all happen right now, though. Technologically, I can't see any reason why it shouldn't. Surely just a question of incentive, energy and inspiration. Maybe Elbows will come up with some blueprints - now he's overcome his Flashphobia ;) If I can help at all, even just as a sounding board, let me know. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 15 Apr 2007, at 19:45, joshpaul wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) On 4/15/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet? Some details here: http://blog.blip.tv/blog/ Cheers Steve Elbows I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where video is headed: the containment of all information
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im glad crowdabout have implemented a fully embeddable version of their exciting features. I considered using them for my videoblogweek stuff, but I rushed the hosting/formats side of things, and personally I feel like crowdabouts sucess might be hampered by their choice of layout of their features visually. Id like a smaller version of thee player where the stuff that currently opens in windows at the side, is overlayed on top of the video. And a smaller timeline thats still just as functional because it can be zoomed in or out when theres a lot of conversation markers on a clip. But thats would take quite a bit of work to achieve all that Im sure. I am a huge fan of the concept, thats for sure, just not the GUI. Dont give me too much credit for talking about 'whole blog in a player' stuff for ages, its only been a month or so I guess. Anyway it does seem to be happening, but its unclear how much of the blog will make it into mainstream implementations of this sort of thing, so it would be nice if some vloggers who care about the blog part could help add momentum for this stuff. Im up for it, I enjoyed vlogging the other week and Im tired of listening to myself waffle and never do anything, . But right now when I go to get Flash I seem to be stuck ina bad moment before the new version of flash is released. Doh, can I get a trial of the previous version? Meanwhile on the radar of whats out there in terms of code people can download and install themselves, some fine efforts such as vPiP seem rather more closed when it comes to the flash player, which is fair enough, thats up to them. I plan to release an open version of the included flash flv player in vPIP. Right now it's under development for features I'm writing for the cinegage site (not ready yet.) Once I can package the flash flv player so it has some commenting, cleaned up code and useable, I'll release that version under an open license. BTW, You can use any flash flv player in vPIP including the one by jeroenwijering. See http://vpip.org/home/playing-flash/ -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com So Ive een seeign what else is out ther, this looks promising: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Flash_Video_Player This wordpress plugin version of that is currently floating my boat, off to have a look at it in more detail: http://alexrabe.boelinger.com/?page_id=20 Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: There are a lot of these players coming out now. If it were possible to create permalinks so that a link would take you to the site AND make the player play a certain episode, that'd be perfect. Crowdabout.us have recently released a similar large Show player - 2 weeks ago - and allowed anonymous commenting without logging into their site (which you had to do before). So you and your viewers can use their commenting and posting system, putting information and conversations at specific points along the timeline of your videos (with great RSS). I strongly advise you to check it out. It runs straight off your Blip RSS - they just pull in your flv files from Blip and then allow their commenting. At the moment, though, I want people to be able to link to specific episodes, not just watch the latest by default. I wrote to Crowdabout.us and asked them if they could produce another player, which allowed specific episodes to be played within individual permalinked blog posts. I hope they're going to do it. If they do, I will switch straightaway to using their players. The show player on the Home page and the individual players within the individual post pages. This kind of functionality is moving towards what Steve Elbows has talked about here for a long time and which I am always very excited about the possibility of - everything contained within one player - a multipurpose blog tool. The idea of making the videos themselves richer with easy custom hyperlinks and hotspots is also something I salivate over. I think people will start to build all this stuff in as the more advanced players get more popular. Wish it would all happen right now, though. Technologically, I can't see any reason why it shouldn't. Surely just a question of incentive, energy and inspiration. Maybe Elbows will come up with some blueprints - now he's overcome his Flashphobia ;) If I can help at all, even just as a sounding board, let me know. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 15 Apr 2007, at 19:45, joshpaul wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words,
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Thats brilliant news, cheers. vPIP is wonderful stuff, the flash player being closed isnt exactly a big issue, I just got curious about how everyone makes these things, and what efforts are out there that are happy for others to build on top of them. I wouldnt want to do anything that went against the spirit of what the creator intended when releasing their stuff. Could you explain if/what sort of use of SMIL your vPIP can do? Is it passing SMIL along to play in quicktime or something else? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan to release an open version of the included flash flv player in vPIP. Right now it's under development for features I'm writing for the cinegage site (not ready yet.) Once I can package the flash flv player so it has some commenting, cleaned up code and useable, I'll release that version under an open license. BTW, You can use any flash flv player in vPIP including the one by jeroenwijering. See http://vpip.org/home/playing-flash/ -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats brilliant news, cheers. vPIP is wonderful stuff, the flash player being closed isnt exactly a big issue, I just got curious about how everyone makes these things, and what efforts are out there that are happy for others to build on top of them. I wouldnt want to do anything that went against the spirit of what the creator intended when releasing their stuff. Could you explain if/what sort of use of SMIL your vPIP can do? Is it passing SMIL along to play in quicktime or something else? Yes, there's basic support for SMIL in quicktime (passing SMIL along should be the accurate description.) I haven't done work in SMIL myself, but setup support for SMIL in vPIP during debugging with Michael Sullivan having vPIP with SMIL on vlogdir.com. In the vPIP package the file, InitSMIL.mov, gives SMIL activation support. -- Enric Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: I plan to release an open version of the included flash flv player in vPIP. Right now it's under development for features I'm writing for the cinegage site (not ready yet.) Once I can package the flash flv player so it has some commenting, cleaned up code and useable, I'll release that version under an open license. BTW, You can use any flash flv player in vPIP including the one by jeroenwijering. See http://vpip.org/home/playing-flash/ -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com
[videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Hey Steve, Thanks so much for giving us your perspective on what we're trying to do. I know we are on the same page in terms of where we are headed, but it's always helpful to get more input from users. And those considering using. Im glad crowdabout have implemented a fully embeddable version of their exciting features. I considered using them for my videoblogweek stuff, but I rushed the hosting/formats side of things, and personally I feel like crowdabouts sucess might be hampered by their choice of layout of their features visually. Id like a smaller version of thee player where the stuff that currently opens in windows at the side, is overlayed on top of the video. And a smaller timeline thats still just as functional because it can be zoomed in or out when theres a lot of conversation markers on a clip. But thats would take quite a bit of work to achieve all that Im sure. I am a huge fan of the concept, thats for sure, just not the GUI. This is an area where it's hard to get it right for everyone's use. I've been thinking about doing a contest, and letting everyone tell us what they want the player to look like/operate from an interface perspective. What do you think? Carter Harkins http://crowdabout.us
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Josh- Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) Can you ellaborate here? Because it sounds similar to some of my efforts. Thnx, sull On 4/15/07, joshpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
Right, and it was actually experimented with on vlogwall.com. In another recent thread I made mention of that too. The idea of the vPiP approach and SMIL/RSS usage seemed perfect, at least conceptually. This was last Summer mind you. So I made a gridwall of vPiP embeds of Video RSS Feeds (I just call them vodcasts). RSS feeds were transformed to SMIL. I had added pre and post clips to demonstrate what could be ads, cc licenses, branding bumps etc. So an entire video feed could technically be played back right within the embedded player and you could easily switch around to different feeds by clicking the other vPiP images/embeds. But, as mentioned before, Quicktime SMIL does tend to get overwhelmed and can suffer buffering delays or hangups. It worls better when every video is optimized small clips and the user doesnt jump around the playlist to much. So all in all, not ideal for the mass audience of net video, unfortunately. It's all about Flash when it comes to web based playback and playlisting of video. It just works more smoothly than anything else and now that Flash Video quality has improved so much in the past 12-18 months there is no reason to take full advantage of the platform right now. I also mentioned Jeroen's Playerhttp://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Flash_Media_Player His is probably the basis several video services. YouTube started off using it and I have been using it since he released the first version long ago. It's good stuff and he has been actively developing and fixing it over the years. I recently talked to Jeroen again about supporting SMIL extensively. It's not a simple undertaking, but I think a SMIL smart Flash Wrapper is a big deal and I am pushing for him to consider expending the time on development of that (as well as myself and others). Of course, you can do alot by way of custom namespaces in RSS or XSPF to achieve all kinds of cool functionality. But the idea of utilising a standards compliant format and what I think is just an extremely cool XML spec... SMIL could make a comeback in the web. Its been around a long long time and nobody really ever talks about it. It is commonly used for mobile phone networks however. I just think it can be brought into the limelight and be used creatively again and now with Flash as the wrapper instead of Quicktime or Real. Sull On 4/15/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats brilliant news, cheers. vPIP is wonderful stuff, the flash player being closed isnt exactly a big issue, I just got curious about how everyone makes these things, and what efforts are out there that are happy for others to build on top of them. I wouldnt want to do anything that went against the spirit of what the creator intended when releasing their stuff. Could you explain if/what sort of use of SMIL your vPIP can do? Is it passing SMIL along to play in quicktime or something else? Yes, there's basic support for SMIL in quicktime (passing SMIL along should be the accurate description.) I haven't done work in SMIL myself, but setup support for SMIL in vPIP during debugging with Michael Sullivan having vPIP with SMIL on vlogdir.com. In the vPIP package the file, InitSMIL.mov, gives SMIL activation support. -- Enric Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: I plan to release an open version of the included flash flv player in vPIP. Right now it's under development for features I'm writing for the cinegage site (not ready yet.) Once I can package the flash flv player so it has some commenting, cleaned up code and useable, I'll release that version under an open license. BTW, You can use any flash flv player in vPIP including the one by jeroenwijering. See http://vpip.org/home/playing-flash/ -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
I'm not that familiar with your efforts. Is there somewhere online I can view them? I'm essentially thinking using key/value pairs within metadata hooks provided by QT, Flash, et al. Basically, come up with some type of schema we can expect to extract, such as licensing restrictions, copyright owner, originating host (i.e. blip.tv, youtube.com, ...) etc. I think part of the problem is that the hooks are there, but nobody is embedding the information. So, nobody's looking for it. On 4/15/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh- Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) Can you ellaborate here? Because it sounds similar to some of my efforts. Thnx, sull On 4/15/07, joshpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED]lists%2Byahoo%40joshpaul.com wrote: Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with the file itself. Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? ( i.e. key/value pairs) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- joshpaul o: 818-237-5200 c: 818-667-0900 w: joshpaul.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
