Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Christopher Ivanyi]

Hey Michael:
 
There are no words to describe how much I respect, and admire what you have done, and what you are doing.  Thanks for your words and deeds.  I hope to meet you some day, and shake your hand.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Pete Prodoehl]

Verdi wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote:
> 
>>My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging
>>altogether.  If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order
>>achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the
>>validation of an audience -- then just stop making them.  This goes
>>for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers!
>>Just stop making vlogs.
> 
> 
> Look, in my life, I have created all kinds of art.  Some things I've  
> created have antagonized an audience and begged to be disliked - I  
> was once shouted off stage, I didn't leave, then someone unplugged my  
> equipment.  Some things I've created defied interpretation by using  
> language and images who's only significance is locked in my mind  
> alone - the audience was understandably indifferent to this kind of  
> work.  After 15 years of this, if I NEEDED an audience, you'd think  
> I'd have quit.  I haven't quit because even more than enjoying being  
> an artist, "artist" is something that compels me to be.  It's as  
> natural and necessary as breathing and eating.

Heh, this reminds me of the time I performed in an experimental band and 
we forced the audience to leave the building we were playing in before 
we would start. Remarkably, most of them returned. ;)

This also brings up the whole idea of "people who create things can't 
*NOT* create things" it's just what they do. There may not be a clear 
and simple answer to it, but that's just how it is.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Verdi]

On Oct 31, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote:

> My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging
> altogether.  If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order
> achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the
> validation of an audience -- then just stop making them.  This goes
> for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers!
> Just stop making vlogs.

Look, in my life, I have created all kinds of art.  Some things I've  
created have antagonized an audience and begged to be disliked - I  
was once shouted off stage, I didn't leave, then someone unplugged my  
equipment.  Some things I've created defied interpretation by using  
language and images who's only significance is locked in my mind  
alone - the audience was understandably indifferent to this kind of  
work.  After 15 years of this, if I NEEDED an audience, you'd think  
I'd have quit.  I haven't quit because even more than enjoying being  
an artist, "artist" is something that compels me to be.  It's as  
natural and necessary as breathing and eating.

>
> Or ask yourself this, what would happen if in the course of vlogging
> your audience stats diminished daily until not one person clicked onto
> one of your movies.  But you faithfully posted movies nonetheless.  At
> a certain point wouldn't you ask yourself, what's the point?

50 weeks ago I started a new blog and added video to it as an  
experiment because I'm always experimenting.  That's what I do.   
Here's my initial post:
http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2004/11/15/the-game/
My experiment hasn't turned out the way I thought it would.  Almost  
all of my goals set out in that first post are completely irrelevant  
to me now.  But it's been one of the most amazing years of my life so  
far.  And the most important lessons that I've learned have nothing  
to do with how many people are watching my videos and everything to  
do with what happens when you give of yourself fully, without  
reservations, solely for the pleasure of doing it.

George Bernard Shaw gives me goose bumps every time I read his quote:
This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized  
by yourself as a mighty one; the being a force of nature instead of a  
feverish, selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining  
that the world will not devote itself to making you happy.

I am of the opinion that my life belongs to the whole community, and  
as long as I live it is my privilege to do for it whatever I can.

I want to be thoroughly used up when I die, for the harder I work the  
more I live. I rejoice in life for its own sake. Life is no "brief  
candle" for me. It is a sort of splendid torch which I have got hold  
of for the moment, and I want to make it burn as brightly as possible  
before handing it on to future generations.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Pete Prodoehl]

Christopher Ivanyi wrote:
> I think alot of vloggers are absolutely fooling themselves! Every
> vlogger wants/needs an audience - that's the absolute truth.  But
> here's the trick.  When that someone gets their audience, there is
> this ineffable something that creeps into the pyche -- the desire to
> want more.  It just happens.  It's called human nature.  We want more,
> and more.

Wants an audience? Perhaps... Needs an audience? No...

I've dabbled in all sorts of art and creative endeavors since I was a 
young lad. Have you ever doodled in a notebook? Did you have some need 
to *show* it to others, or were you just happy to do it, and enjoy it 
yourself.


> Michael says:
> 
> "I believe that there are
> many things in this world that can be done just for the pleasure of
> having done them.  Creating things is like that for me."
> 
> That's very beautiful.  That's very altruistic.  Very Tao, Very Zen. 
> I admire that truly.
> 
> My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging
> altogether.  If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order
> achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the
> validation of an audience -- then just stop making them.  This goes
> for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers! 
> Just stop making vlogs.
> 
> Or ask yourself this, what would happen if in the course of vlogging
> your audience stats diminished daily until not one person clicked onto
> one of your movies.  But you faithfully posted movies nonetheless.  At
> a certain point wouldn't you ask yourself, what's the point?
> 
> I believe we can have a sanity about our creativity, so don't get me
> wrong.  All I'm saying is that whenever one creates, there is an
> inherent relationship built in, whether if be with your art and your
> personal approval of it, or your art and another person's approval of
> it.  And the important thing is to look at that relationship clearly.

The word 'approval' bothers me here. I am not looking for approval with 
what I do, I'm just doing it to see what happens. I'm not trying to 
'prove' myself as a creator of video, I'm just doing it because I want 
to right now. If in the future I don't want to, I'll stop.

I like the fact that (in theory) my kids will be able to watch the 
videos I created in 5, 10, 20 years, and get a piece of who I am/was 
from it. Maybe my audience doesn't exist yet. ;)

To me, the 'connection aspect' is a bonus, a nice side-effect of it all. 
I could just store all of my photos, video, and writing on servers 
somewhere privately (nice backup if my house burns down, my computers 
are all stolen, etc) but in sharing these thing, I take the chance that 
others can connect with me in some ways, that I can learn from them, and 
they can learn from me. I enjoy seeing the stuff my friends create, and 
if they enjoy what I create - we both win.

Do I even have to mention that many of these 'friendships' are the 
result of sharing bits of ourselves on the web? I don't like to think of 
my friends as my 'audience' I like to think of them as my friends.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Christopher Ivanyi]

I think alot of vloggers are absolutely fooling themselves! Every
vlogger wants/needs an audience - that's the absolute truth.  But
here's the trick.  When that someone gets their audience, there is
this ineffable something that creeps into the pyche -- the desire to
want more.  It just happens.  It's called human nature.  We want more,
and more.

Michael says:

"I believe that there are
many things in this world that can be done just for the pleasure of
having done them.  Creating things is like that for me."

That's very beautiful.  That's very altruistic.  Very Tao, Very Zen. 
I admire that truly.

My question to you -- my challenge to you would be, to stop vlogging
altogether.  If you don't need an audience, and you vlog in order
achieve the pleasure of having done them, and you don't need the
validation of an audience -- then just stop making them.  This goes
for all vloggers out there, especially the more popular vloggers! 
Just stop making vlogs.

Or ask yourself this, what would happen if in the course of vlogging
your audience stats diminished daily until not one person clicked onto
one of your movies.  But you faithfully posted movies nonetheless.  At
a certain point wouldn't you ask yourself, what's the point?

I believe we can have a sanity about our creativity, so don't get me
wrong.  All I'm saying is that whenever one creates, there is an
inherent relationship built in, whether if be with your art and your
personal approval of it, or your art and another person's approval of
it.  And the important thing is to look at that relationship clearly.

May Michael's altuism flourish.

And may we never stop vlogging.


chris
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:36:09 +0100, Richard Show <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> ... first of all start with sitcoms (which are most traditionally about  
> the
> everyday lives of white males, though now often about other ethnic/gender
> groups), but all about someone's life and they are interesting because
> people CAN relate to their lives
>
> ... there is also, of course, all the "reality" TV stuff
>
> ... there are tons of movies that are variations on lives, not around  
> some
> theme

All of these have one thing in common: They look at the unusual life, in  
one form or another. Sitcom characters don't have regular lives, reality  
tv participants definitely don't live usual lives. Ditto for movies  
(regular people don't just accidentally end up in bed with Julia Robert  
like in Notting Hill). It's a very big difference.

> ... in fact, when I think about it, most of the "theme" shows on TV are  
> sort
> of obscure and less popular, like stuff on the cooking or building stuff  
> or
> music (backpacking or grand rapids) or whatever

Trading Spaces? And the five million shows like it. Monster Garage,  
Jackass, Mythbusters. Just about any tv show that isn't pure fiction.

> ... now that I think about it, the most popular, are the most  
> entertaining
> and often (maybe usually) some variation on people's day to day lives ...

But they are not the lives of ordinary people. They are caricatures, often  
to an exstreme degree (think The Simpsons).

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[videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Ivanyi 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the beauty of
> videoblogging is that it doesnt HAVE to matter - Steve said
>  I agree that it doesn't HAVE to matter, but, speaking personally, 
I feel
> that great pangs when my qualitative audience diminishes, and 
exhiliration
> when it increases. I have in the past easily been able to ignore the
> numbers. But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew 
no one
> would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility? 

I don't see it as "futile", but I DO like the idea that some 
stranger, far away from me may find my little creations 
entertaining.  Though, I pretty much come from the stand-point that 
NO ONE is visiting my site, and I'm pleasantly surprised by the few 
comments I have received.

Speaking of "themes", I notice many vlogs incorporate the vlogger 
somehow,  whether talking to the camera or just part of the scene.  
I'm currently struggling with that idea -- since I tend to be a very 
private person -- but I've got things I want to say, and moments of 
my life that I would like documented in my own words.  When I look at 
other vlog entries that are personal in nature, I'm riveted.  I guess 
it's partly attributable to the fact that we ALL have a touch of 
voyeur in us... and specifically for me, because being that honest on 
camera is a totally foreign concept to me.  And I admire it.

I image that MY honesty can be gleemed through my videos and music -- 
but that personal interaction is missing.  One day, I'll push that 
rock over the hill...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Markus Sandy]

Frank Carver wrote:

  
And I truly
believe that almost everyone would want to have as large an audience as
possible, I know I would.

  
  
Honestly I don't want that.

What I want is an audience that is as interested and involved as
possible. I'd much rather connect with ten new friends through my
videos than 1 passive consumers. 

  

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Frank Carver]

Monday, October 31, 2005, 6:20:35 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote:

> But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew no one
> would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility?

I can understand how you would feel like that, but can you explain how
it could even be possible to "know no one would watch it" ? Who can
say what might become popular or desirable next month, next year, next
century ...

The only certain way of knowing that no one will watch your videos is
to keep them to yourself.

> And I truly
> believe that almost everyone would want to have as large an audience as
> possible, I know I would.

Honestly I don't want that.

What I want is an audience that is as interested and involved as
possible. I'd much rather connect with ten new friends through my
videos than 1 passive consumers. Large audiences would scare me.

Everybody is different, I guess. It's always a bit risky to make
sweeping generalizations.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Verdi]

On Oct 31, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote:

> But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew no one  
> would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility?

Interesting.  I don't feel that way though.  I believe that there are  
many things in this world that can be done just for the pleasure of  
having done them.  Creating things is like that for me.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Richard Show]

I just wanted to add one clarification ... un-themed "real life" content is often very "popular" in main stream media ... 

... first of all start with sitcoms (which are most traditionally about
the everyday lives of white males, though now often about other
ethnic/gender groups), but all about someone's life and they are
interesting because people CAN relate to their lives

... there is also, of course, all the "reality" TV stuff

... there are tons of movies that are variations on lives, not around some theme

... in fact, when I think about it, most of the "theme" shows on TV are
sort of obscure and less popular, like stuff on the cooking or building
stuff or music (backpacking or grand rapids) or whatever

... now that I think about it, the most popular, are the most
entertaining and often (maybe usually) some variation on people's day
to day lives ... 

... so, I'm not sure where this idea about "themed" content being so
related to popularity comes from (in fact, the whole long tale idea is
about themes that are not interesting to most people)

... of course, how any of this is relevant to the original discussion,
lord knows, but I've gone to the trouble to type all this, so I feel
obligated to push send, so what the hell

... the blabbering biased ramblings of Richard, star of the
RichardShow, "A Narcisistic Themeless Vlog About the Ordinary Life of a
White Male from the Midwest" (wow a new Theme! Branding! :) ... On 10/27/05, LeanBackVids.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I tell you> that if i had themed content specifically centered around Grand Rapids,> Backpacking, Geocaching, or folk music, I would not be appealing to the
> majority of the internet crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure Iwould> bring in all the people who live in GR , or those onlinebackpackers, but> the rest of the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking
> about T&A or iPods...First of all, the future of RSS-video consumers is not limited totech-savvy people, and quality production is a must.  The "shaky cam"is a tough one to watch.
Your vlog's feed had 248 readers yesterday, which makes you #9 on theFeedBurner list.  I'd bet there are more (potential) readers out therefor Grand Rapids, backpacking, geocaching, or folk music.There are over 200,000 people living in GR (not including surrounding
area), and the other topics you mention are not even limited to ageographic audience.The technology does need to catch up, but the topics you mentionedhave a better chance of appealing to the masses.
Hypothetically speaking- if you had 5,000 niche readers (let alone50,000), you could probably make a living with it.Given all that, I still agree w/ the other side of this.  Personalvideos are great.  The incentives are different for each subject.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

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I agree that it doesn't HAVE to matter, but, speaking personally, I feel that great pangs when my qualitative audience diminishes, and exhiliration when it increases.  I have in the past easily been able to ignore the numbers.  But honestly, I could never ever put up a video, if I knew no one would watch it -- that would be an excercise in futility?  And I truly believe that almost everyone would want to have as large an audience as possible, I know I would.  And yes, I've been thinking of different ways on how to achieve that, and trying to figure out the success of other folks out there -- the proverbial grass is always greener on the other side.  And for my two cents, it's not about:  To Be Themed, or Not To Be Themed, it's about having compelling characters, coupled with compelling stories, period.  






  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Adam Quirk]

On 10/27/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The final
example that we brought up is the KItkastum SEXwhat does the
internet revolve around? SEX. I tell you that if i had themed content
specifically centered around Grand Rapids, Backpacking, Geocaching, or
folk music, I would not be appealing to the majority of the internet
crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure I would bring in all the
people who live in GR , or those online backpackers, but the rest of
the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking about
T&A or iPods...I think you're underestimitizing your audience.  These themes may not garner you a big audience immediately, like say, a tech theme or sex theme, but eventually if you plug away, your audience will find you.  There aren't TV channels dedicated to any of those things, as far as I know.  
I agree, if you started making all your videos about geocaching, you'd probably lose some eyeballs.  But that's in the short term.  Eventually, the geocachers of the world would find you.  I'm willing to be that there are more people out there that want to see you talk about geocaching than there are that want to hear you talk about buttering your toast and going to work (I haven't seen a video about that...just an example, please don't yell at me toast-buttering employed vlogger whoever you are).
It all comes down to what you want to do with videoblogging, right?If you're doing it as a creative outlet, then just do whatever the fuck you want.  Some people may watch, but why should you care?If you're doing it to communicate with friends, then you shouldn't really care about a bigger audience either.
If you do want a bigger audience, just follow this guys advice:http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000876.html >
--AQbullemhead.com 

Themed content is easy to understand but it still comes down to
producing quality content. A personal vlog that is made in such a way
that it is entertaining, well produced, and compelling has a better
chance at gaining a large audience than a well-produced vlog about a
niche market. 

so in conclusion

-The internet is dominated of sex-crazed, tech-savy males
-content that apeals to these characteristics has a better chance than other more minute niche topics
-content that is well-made, and compelling is more important than theme
-if your aim is large viewership, focus on what you think is interesting, and make it good
-in the end, I like cat videos a lot vlogcats.blogspot.com


i am sure there is something someone can get pissed off about in what i
just wrote...but seriously, let's not get too bent out of shape
here...i love it all and this isn't life...that is what we should be
filming
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> > generally be reserved for friends/family.>> It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's> somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while
> personal vlog will be "reserved."  I think the whole point about> videoblogging is that none of that matters.  It's totally besides the> point.>> --> Verdi> http://michaelverdi.com/ >> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Verdi]

Good point Steve!

On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Steve Watkins wrote:

> the beauty of
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

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> As you can tell, this is something I get fired
> up about. It is my
> opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive
> while personal vlogs will
> generally be reserved for friends/family.

My though on Themed Content Vlogs -VS- Personal
Content Vlogs is that both will "Thrive" depending on
which side of the "Thriving" coin you look at.

Rocketboom is a good example of a VLOG with a theme
that has a thriving subscription base.

However a quick look at vlogmap shows me at least how
much the personal vlogs are thriving.

I think we are seeing a HUGE proliferation of vlogs,
the fast majority of which may be personal vlogs,
although there will be a thriving community of
personal vlogers few will have a personality that
generates a large subscription base for their vlogs.

The few who are able to develop a theme and a show
like approach will have a better chance at developing
a thriving subscription base but as with anything
there will be exceptions.

That is the excitement!!

Those with popular, innovative, entertaining ideas,
and those who can truly educate, but are limited by
"Cash" or "The Man" can overcome those limitations
through vlogging and can reach the audience they so
richly deserve be it 50,000 daily who love Rocketboom,
or 75 people who want Yamadori Tips.

And those who are less focused topic wise aren't
penalized for it, those with the personality can
generate a following of fans, and those who's only
interest is ensuring that grandma, and a few cousins
who scattered the globe have the latest video of the
kittens in the barn or the kids learning to ride a 2
wheeler can do so, and be on equal footing with their
distribution capabilities as CBS News regardless of
how many viewers they have.

Welcome to the future.

Television has Evolved.
The visual medium is now for everyone.

Soon everyone will have a voice.

Not every voice will be popular, but all will have an
opportunity to be heard.

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[videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

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> I tell you
> that if i had themed content specifically centered around Grand Rapids,
> Backpacking, Geocaching, or folk music, I would not be appealing to the
> majority of the internet crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure I
would
> bring in all the people who live in GR , or those online
backpackers, but
> the rest of the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking
> about T&A or iPods...

First of all, the future of RSS-video consumers is not limited to
tech-savvy people, and quality production is a must.  The "shaky cam"
is a tough one to watch.

Your vlog's feed had 248 readers yesterday, which makes you #9 on the
FeedBurner list.  I'd bet there are more (potential) readers out there
for Grand Rapids, backpacking, geocaching, or folk music.

There are over 200,000 people living in GR (not including surrounding
area), and the other topics you mention are not even limited to a
geographic audience.

The technology does need to catch up, but the topics you mentioned
have a better chance of appealing to the masses.

Hypothetically speaking- if you had 5,000 niche readers (let alone
50,000), you could probably make a living with it.

Given all that, I still agree w/ the other side of this.  Personal
videos are great.  The incentives are different for each subject.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Josh Leo]

Oh the longtail.The way I see it, it is not particularly the themed
content that will bring in the masses but the fact that this so called
"popular" themed content is centered around a very specific audience:
internet geeks out there. Ok lets see here...Rocketboom has a wide
variety of topics but it is reaching a crowd of people on the internet
that is already familiar with tech, internet oddities, and
boing-boingable things...Then you have Tikibar tv...very well produced,
but includes the eye-candy for males, and the alcohol for many
tech-savy young men who make up the majority of the internet. The final
example that we brought up is the KItkastum SEXwhat does the
internet revolve around? SEX. I tell you that if i had themed content
specifically centered around Grand Rapids, Backpacking, Geocaching, or
folk music, I would not be appealing to the majority of the internet
crowd that makes up our viewership. Sure I would bring in all the
people who live in GR , or those online backpackers, but the rest of
the tech-savy people would be bored because I am not talking about
T&A or iPods...

Themed content is easy to understand but it still comes down to
producing quality content. A personal vlog that is made in such a way
that it is entertaining, well produced, and compelling has a better
chance at gaining a large audience than a well-produced vlog about a
niche market. 

so in conclusion

-The internet is dominated of sex-crazed, tech-savy males
-content that apeals to these characteristics has a better chance than other more minute niche topics
-content that is well-made, and compelling is more important than theme
-if your aim is large viewership, focus on what you think is interesting, and make it good
-in the end, I like cat videos a lot vlogcats.blogspot.com


i am sure there is something someone can get pissed off about in what i
just wrote...but seriously, let's not get too bent out of shape
here...i love it all and this isn't life...that is what we should be
filming
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> > generally be reserved for friends/family.>> It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's> somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while
> personal vlog will be "reserved."  I think the whole point about> videoblogging is that none of that matters.  It's totally besides the> point.>> --> Verdi> http://michaelverdi.com/ >> http://freevlog.org/ >> http://node101.org/ >

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

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Dave,Your font is incredibly difficult to read in your post. I would suggest changing your default font. LynnLynn LaneCoal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazinewebsite: www.CoalRiverPictures.comemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.comfeed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmakerComing Soon:www.Vlogumentarian.comwww.VlogReporter.comAIVF/IDARing 8 MemberNYC On Oct 27, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Dave McClure wrote:   hi, newbie to the site (and to videoblogging) but this caught my eye:   > What type of site is most likely to gain more readers  > In my opinion, that would be themed content  >> more difficult to produce than stuff about their own life.   >> Themed content has  to be gathered, written, produced, etc.   >> That takes time and/or money.  That's a higher barrier to entry.   wonder of it isn't just "themed content i have a reference point for" ?   i think people tend to have an innate sense of the story / content around familiar subjects they like or care about... i love playing ultimate frisbee, and altho i know diddly about video right now, i think i'd have a bunch of ideas on that subject to try out.   anyway, i hope my intuition is correct -- my startup is running a  contest next month on our www.simplyfired.com site to collect a bunch of alternative & fun videos about getting fired in the workplace,  kind of an "office space" or "dilbert" theme.  not sure how much  interest we'll get, but we wanted to choose a subject where the  average person would feel some connection. most everyone has at one time or other had some fear of getting fired    (and in my case, perhaps more than a couple times ;)    -- Dave McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED]  www.simplyhired.com  www.simplyFIRED.com  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com on behalf of VerdiSent: Thu 10/27/2005 8:48 AMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:33 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:> What type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more> "popular")?  In my opinion, that would be themed content because a a> particular subject will relate to more people than an individual.I think you're right about that.  That's why TV uses themed content -  they have to appeal to more than the individual.  It's way to  expensive not to.The other thing about themed content is that for most people (I'm  guessing here) it's more difficult to produce than stuff about their  own life.  I know my own life really well - I'm the expert on it and  I'm on the scene while it's happening everyday.  Themed content has  to be gathered, written, produced, etc.  That takes time and/or  money.  That's a higher barrier to entry.  I think that's why you're  having trouble finding it.-- Verdihttp://michaelverdi.com/ >http://freevlog.org/ >http://node101.org/ >   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the   web.     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email   to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Steve Watkins]

Id agree but modify that sentiment slightly. Rather than saying that
none of it matters and is besides the point, the beauty of
videoblogging is that it doesnt HAVE to matter. Having not so many
viewers is no longer a barrier to publishing stuff, the economies of
scale dont break and are somewhat reversed compared to TV. But for
some people it still matters, and theres nothing illegitimate or wrong
about that, videoblogging caters for both.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:54 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:
> 
> > As you can tell, this is something I get fired up about.  It is my
> > opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive while personal vlogs will
> > generally be reserved for friends/family.
> 
> It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's  
> somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while  
> personal vlog will be "reserved."  I think the whole point about  
> videoblogging is that none of that matters.  It's totally besides the  
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> 
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RE: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[Dave McClure]

hi, newbie to the 
site (and to videoblogging) but this caught my eye:
 
> What type of site is most 
likely to gain more readers 
> In my opinion, that would be 
themed content 
>> more difficult to produce 
than stuff about their own life.  
>> Themed content has  
to be gathered, written, produced, etc.  
>> That takes time 
and/or money.  That's a higher barrier to entry.  

wonder of it isn't just 
"themed content i have a reference point for" ?
 
i think people tend to have an 
innate sense of the story / content
around familiar subjects they like 
or care about... i love playing
ultimate frisbee, and altho i know 
diddly about video right now, i
think i'd have a bunch of ideas on 
that subject to try out.
 
anyway, i hope my intuition is 
correct -- my startup is running a 

contest next month on our www.simplyfired.com site to collect a
bunch of alternative & 
fun videos about getting fired in the 
workplace, 
kind of an "office space" or "dilbert" theme.  not sure how 
much 
interest we'll get, but we wanted to choose a subject where the 

average person would feel some connection. most 
everyone has at
one time or other had some fear of 
getting fired 
 
(and in my case, perhaps 
more than a couple times ;)
 

--
Dave McClure
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type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more> 
"popular")?  In my opinion, that would be themed content because a 
a> particular subject will relate to more people than an 
individual.I think you're right about that.  That's why TV uses 
themed content -  they have to appeal to more than the 
individual.  It's way to  expensive not to.The other thing 
about themed content is that for most people (I'm  guessing here) it's 
more difficult to produce than stuff about their  own life.  I 
know my own life really well - I'm the expert on it and  I'm on the 
scene while it's happening everyday.  Themed content has  to be 
gathered, written, produced, etc.  That takes time and/or  
money.  That's a higher barrier to entry.  I think that's why 
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On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:33 AM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:

> What type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more
> "popular")?  In my opinion, that would be themed content because a a
> particular subject will relate to more people than an individual.

I think you're right about that.  That's why TV uses themed content -  
they have to appeal to more than the individual.  It's way to  
expensive not to.

The other thing about themed content is that for most people (I'm  
guessing here) it's more difficult to produce than stuff about their  
own life.  I know my own life really well - I'm the expert on it and  
I'm on the scene while it's happening everyday.  Themed content has  
to be gathered, written, produced, etc.  That takes time and/or  
money.  That's a higher barrier to entry.  I think that's why you're  
having trouble finding it.

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> It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's  
> somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while  
> personal vlog will be "reserved."  I think the whole point about  
> videoblogging is that none of that matters.  It's totally besides the  
> point.

You are very correct in saying this is all besides the point.

Note, I did not start the topic.  I did however decide to share my
PERSONAL OPINION (sorry, can't underline) as to why a theme-based vlog
rose to the top of the VlogMap-FeedBurner stats in their first week of
being listed.

Which type of site is better? I don't care- it is obviously up to each
viewer to decide.

What do I prefer to watch?  Content that I can relate to, content that
educates me and/or content that shows me something different than that
in my life.

What type of site is most likely to gain more readers (aka be more
"popular")?  In my opinion, that would be themed content because a a
particular subject will relate to more people than an individual.

Don't get me wrong, I see the value in personal videos and truly
believe in the historical documentation and enjoyment it will provide
to our offspring.  I wish there were videos of my grandparents when
they were young, but would others care to watch my grandparents? 
Probably not - they'd want to see their own.

Sorry if this is harsh, but I already subscribe to too many vlogs
whose subject is the life of an American white male.  I just do not
have the time to keep up with each person's life anymore, and there
are 3-10 vloggers added to VlogMap each day.

My point is that I began looking for vlogs that were based on subjects
that I enjoy and found very few (if any).  That makes me frustrated.

Oh well, I guess it is back to my TV if I want themed content.

Again, just my opinion.  Flame on...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

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On Oct 26, 2005, at 12:54 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:

> As you can tell, this is something I get fired up about.  It is my
> opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive while personal vlogs will
> generally be reserved for friends/family.

It's seems to me what your not saying in this statement is that it's  
somehow better to have a theme-based vlog, ie they "thrive" while  
personal vlog will be "reserved."  I think the whole point about  
videoblogging is that none of that matters.  It's totally besides the  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs

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I guess all I'm trying to say is that this community won't be nichefor long, and I welcome it.  I want to see more videos about
skateboarding, snowboarding, taking care of a northwest lawn (akafighting moss), etc.
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I agree... We can already communicate our messages via phone and email
quite well and adding video to those is an logical next step.  It will
indeed be a milestone for basic communication, but my original rant
was more about the number of readers (aka "popularity").

Most people have no interest in reading random emails or listening to
random phone messages.  Why is it any different if video is added? 
Every person does something every day.  There are just too many people
to watch.

All I'm saying is that the subject X is usually more mass appealing
that person Y.  (Unless of course you're a sexy female who will
naturally appeal to the masses of horny males online... but doesn't
that come down the subject of sex more than the person?)

Pick a topic that you're passionate about (other than vlogging) and
imagine a vlog centered around that.  Wouldn't you subscribe and want
to see each new post?

For example, I grew up skateboarding and have always loved to watch
it.  As of right now, I know of only one person who is doing a vlog
with skating in it, let alone centered around the topic.

http://www.64mm.com/vlog/

I anxiously await his new posts, yet I know very little about the
creator.  I realize that there is a talented individual behind this
project, and I've exchanged emails with him, but the point is that I
would still be a loyal subscriber even if I had not.  It is the
subject that I'm interested in, not the producer.  

People generally meet and interact based on a common interest.  We
have here in this group... the common interest has been the subject of
video blogging.  The reason personal vlogs have been popular is
because we are a tight knit group.  Those who started earlier and
helped others start have more viewers than those who are just
launching.  Let's face it, right now most vlog watchers are fellow
vloggers.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that this community won't be niche
for long, and I welcome it.  I want to see more videos about
skateboarding, snowboarding, taking care of a northwest lawn (aka
fighting moss), etc.

-Matt


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> now that my wife has an iPod (or PocketPC - hi greg), i can see that 
> feeds intended for just a few people (often just one) will far out 
> number and be far more popular than all of the "shows" ever produced
for 
> any sort of public consumption.  it's simple combinatorics
> 
> besides, who the heck else is going to want to hear or watch every time 
> i want to tell her I love her or show her something funny that the new 
> puppy just did?  I mean, like for the third time?  She might enjoy
it on 
> a biz trip, but the rest of the world would get tired of it pretty
quick 
> (and then those comments start coming)
> 
> so 1 is good enough for me, depending on who the 1 is, i guess...
> 
> let's see there's the 1's I love
> and the 1's that pay me
> and the 1's that help me
> and the 1's that share a common interest
> and the 1's that are my friends
> the list goes on...
> there's a lot of 1's out there
> 
> but then we'll be getting content from people that was made just for us 
> (or just for our small group) and we won't have time for stuff made for 
> larger audiences (there are just so many hours in the day after all)
> 
> that is MSM's greatest threat: there is only so much time to consume 
> media and now I'm getting more of it than ever and from alternative 
> sources.  What do you think I'm going to watch first:  An episode of
CSI 
> or a personal video from Raymond or Doug?  They can run about the same 
> length you know ;)
> 
> markus







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[videoblogging] Re: top feedburner vlogs.. steve garfield gets bumped by the boob

[LeanBackVids.com]

Well I can't stress enough that 400 readers is not that many.

There are more than 400 people out there who want sex news.  In
addition, there is probably that many people interested in any given
topic, however, there may not be that many people who want to watch a
video about a single individual's life.

That being said, Rocketboom, Systm and Command-N are all listed on
VlogMap.  None of them are sharing their FeedBurner stats and Systm is
using a non-FB feed.  If any of these three decide to publized their
FB numbers, it would jack up the stats.  A good example is
Diggnation.com, which is not listed on VlogMap, has 35,356 readers.

Themes are be more popular than people.  This will most likely remain
constant.  I hate to use the TV comparison, but look at the ratio
between subject-based and personality-based content.  This is due to
human interest, not the format.

As you can tell, this is something I get fired up about.  It is my
opinion that theme-based vlogs will thrive while personal vlogs will
generally be reserved for friends/family.

-Matt

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http://www.vlogmap.org/


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/26/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > regarding mskitka.com , overall, i think she is
> > putting together a great project.
> > she's unique.
> 
> 
> Yeah, it was just a matter of time I guess. It's not bad, although
the bad
> audio levels makes her sound a little like Stan's sister from South
Park.
> 
> She was on Fleshbot recently, which explains her spike in popularity.
> 
> I dig the retro news show design. And the tassles.
> 
> --
> AQ
> bullemhead.com 
>







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