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So the difference is just that the Real World is more complex?

On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Brad Webb wrote:

> andrew michael baron wrote:
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>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brad Webb wrote:
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>>> Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...
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>>> To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple
>>> segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as
>>> much
>>> more of a "container" than simply anything.
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>>> That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.
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> Real World has multiple segments, though, achieved thru editing,  
> etc. It
> contains, GENERALLY speaking, mutliple "plot" points, situations,
> individuals, and focuses (focusii?) Most videoblogs are "okay,  
> here's my
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread robert a/k/a r

Perhaps my read is too simplistic, I interpret the "personal" and 
"show" types as the same. It's identity. Public sphere invokes 
identity. Social intercourse is, well, social intercourse and that's 
all that matters. Fsck style. Fsck rank. Fsck enclosures. Just do it. 
Blog, vlog, sing and dance, stick you head out the window and yell, 
express yourself and let the conversation flourish. IMHO it's 
preferable to discount style when listening to arguments, strip it away 
and get to the meat of the matter. Perhaps someone could write a mental 
greasemonkey script so we can all hoover up information on our own 
terms, so we can see it how we best like.

r

On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:12 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:

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> On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
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>>  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard
>> to use.  they would just be videos.
>>
>
> I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".
> It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history
> of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can you
> not when using that word?
>
> Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that so
> many outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate
> all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word
> "videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out of
> it; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its
> based on technology (rss enclosure), not format.
>
> Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined by
> many factors, some technologically based, and others "format based".
>
> When a word is in flux based on "format", then what you have is a
> bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clear
> borders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined.
>
> Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussing
> these things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are
> informed or not.
>
> With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, but
> there is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Its
> shortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The
> real beauty has yet to show itself, as more and more people begin to
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Brad Webb

andrew michael baron wrote:

>On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brad Webb wrote:
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>>Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...
>>
>>To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple
>>segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as  
>>much
>>more of a "container" than simply anything.
>>
>>That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.
>>
>>
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Real World has multiple segments, though, achieved thru editing, etc. It 
contains, GENERALLY speaking, mutliple "plot" points, situations, 
individuals, and focuses (focusii?) Most videoblogs are "okay, here's my 
thing, I'll edit out any screwups" -- a segment. For the record that is 
in no way a slight against that, I certainly know 90% of what I produce 
as far as personal stuff is just a segment-per-post.

>What about a "reality show" like MTV Realworld.
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>What if the Magical Mystery Tour was blogged?
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screw it, lets just clal them "PODS" like CurrenTV;-) On 12/5/05, Brad Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple
segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as muchmore of a "container" than simply anything.That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.andrew michael baron wrote:
> I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word "show" in> context of a videoblog. What are your thoughts on this?>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>>> but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?>> thanks. On 12/5/05, *andrew michael baron* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: >  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard
>> > to use.  they would just be videos.>> > I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".>> It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the
>> history>> of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can you>> not when using that word? Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that so
>> many outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to>> separate>> all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word>> "videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out of
>> it; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its>> based on technology (rss enclosure), not format. Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined by
>> many factors, some technologically based, and others "format based". When a word is in flux based on "format", then what you have is a>> bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clear
>> borders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined. Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussing>> these things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are
>> informed or not. With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, but>> there is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Its>> shortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

I think the ideas of linking bleed into things like sharable playlists, which i have much interest in.rss, xspf, smil etcetera will be used more and more for sharing 'collections' of media and it's permalinks. people will make feeds/playlists that are not just derived from a blog... but like on-the-fly channels that they can manage and edit whenever however with whatever.
blogging is huge, right... but i still see an even larger group not blogging, but indeed consuming and wanting to distribute media... whether or not they make it. also, like you said about newbies needing directories until their is more massive linking etc... this is true.. and many of these newbies will never evolve out of that level of consumption. so, they will always rely on directories the same as they rely on TV Guides.
there are just so many types of people... and most wont give a damn about the bloggy part of what we enjoy as a blog community.sullOn 12/5/05,
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> making directories what else is their to say on that? anyone?shit, i started this crazy thread.but i learned something.in the beginning of the summer, Clint said that linking is the realcurrency to blogging.
how often do you link to videos you like?as Andreas and Peter have clearly pointed out, this is how textbloggers have created their world.Technorati has become a powerhouse by focusing on searching inside blogs.
until we start linking to each other so our videos are easy to findand spread out everywhere... directories will be important.New people will need a place to begin.maybe people will start tagging videos in the directories...we start
self-organizing.andreas also is correct in suggesting that you must add plenty ofdescriptive text to your blog post so your posts get picked up bysearch engines that cannot search video yet.there is also parallel movements happening:
--there is the idea of IPTV...where RSS feeds are just a way to pushvideo...where maybe there is no orginal post. maybe the video willonly be found in iTunes.--then there is the blogging way like mosty of us are doing. we are
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On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brad Webb wrote:

> Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...
>
> To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple
> segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as  
> much
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> That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.

What about a "reality show" like MTV Realworld.

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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Jay dedman

>   I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word "show" in context 
> of a videoblog. What
> are your thoughts on this?

yes, a videoblog can be anything.
a video in a blog.
could be a 5 hour epic or a 10 second clip.

what im discussing is the format, process, and intention in making
certain kinds of videoblogs.
no judgement being passed.
your process and my process are different...cant we discuss this?

rocketboom is not being pointed out as a bad example here...if
anything it will be the example of many children yet to come.

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again, I am not suggesting that.  my point is much more narrow than what you are interpreting.On 12/5/05, andrew michael baron <
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I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word "show" in context of a videoblog. What are your thoughts on this?On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
 but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?thanks.On 12/5/05, 
andrew michael baron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: >  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard> to use.  they would just be videos.>I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".
It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can younot when using that word?Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that so
many outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word"videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out of
it; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its based on technology (rss enclosure), not format.Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined bymany factors, some technologically based, and others "format based".
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Ok, I follow you now. This is pretty funny. I definitely misunderstood.I was reading along and when I came to this part:"a show is something that tries to be entertaining.a corporate business meeting... an accountant explaining numbers and codes training seminars all most likely to bore you to death. "And then I thought to myself: "But they are shows! A corporate meeting tries to be entertaining". I went on to consider the amazing possibilities of showing numbers and codes to other people, with pretty graphs and stuff, and while I suppose that kinda actually happens to other people every once in a while, I agree it was pretty far reaching on part to think the rest of the world acts like that with their intentions.On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: i see... you took the ending of my point and excluded the beginning.so, its out of context.  in talking specifically about the word 'show', i pointed out that it would be hard to call a corporate internal videoblog of boring meetings a 'show'.  might not be a practical example, but just making a point about the relationship of the words 'show' and 'entertainment'sullOn 12/5/05, Michael Sullivan  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically? thanks.On 12/5/05, andrew michael baron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: >  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard> to use.  they would just be videos.>I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog". It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can younot when using that word?Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that somany outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word"videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out ofit; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its based on technology (rss enclosure), not format.Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined bymany factors, some technologically based, and others "format based".When a word is in flux based on "format", then what you have is a bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clearborders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined.Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussingthese things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are informed or not.With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, butthere is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Itsshortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The real beauty has yet to show itself, as more and more people begin toconsider these same questions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~->  Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:  http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Typepad  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Brad Webb

Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...

To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple 
segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as much 
more of a "container" than simply anything.

That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.

andrew michael baron wrote:

> I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word "show" in 
> context of a videoblog. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
>> but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?
>> thanks.
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>> On 12/5/05, *andrew michael baron* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word "show" in context of a videoblog. What are your thoughts on this?On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?thanks.On 12/5/05, andrew michael baron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard> to use. they would just be videos.>I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can younot when using that word?Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that somany outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word"videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out ofit; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its based on technology (rss enclosure), not format.Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined bymany factors, some technologically based, and others "format based".When a word is in flux based on "format", then what you have is a bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clearborders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined.Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussingthese things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are informed or not.With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, butthere is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Itsshortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The real beauty has yet to show itself, as more and more people begin toconsider these same questions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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i see... you took the ending of my point and excluded the beginning.so, its out of context.  in talking specifically about the word 'show', i pointed out that it would be hard to call a corporate internal videoblog of boring meetings a 'show'.  
might not be a practical example, but just making a point about the relationship of the words 'show' and 'entertainment'sullOn 12/5/05, Michael Sullivan
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?
thanks.On 12/5/05, andrew michael baron <

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>  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard> to use.  they would just be videos.>I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".
It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories




but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?thanks.On 12/5/05, andrew michael baron <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard> to use.  they would just be videos.>I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history
of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can younot when using that word?Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that somany outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate
all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word"videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out ofit; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its
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bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clearborders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined.Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussingthese things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are
informed or not.With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, butthere is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Itsshortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Jay dedman

> making directories what else is their to say on that?  anyone?

shit, i started this crazy thread.
but i learned something.

in the beginning of the summer, Clint said that linking is the real
currency to blogging.
how often do you link to videos you like?
as Andreas and Peter have clearly pointed out, this is how text
bloggers have created their world.
Technorati has become a powerhouse by focusing on searching inside blogs.

until we start linking to each other so our videos are easy to find
and spread out everywhere... directories will be important.
New people will need a place to begin.
maybe people will start tagging videos in the directories...we start
self-organizing.

andreas also is correct in suggesting that you must add plenty of
descriptive text to your blog post so your posts get picked up by
search engines that cannot search video yet.

there is also parallel movements happening:
--there is the idea of IPTV...where RSS feeds are just a way to push
video...where maybe there is no orginal post. maybe the video will
only be found in iTunes.
--then there is the blogging way like mosty of us are doing. we are
creating a record can be
shared. it's making the web grow in the bloggy way.

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On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard  
> to use.  they would just be videos.
>

I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".  
It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the history  
of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can you  
not when using that word?

Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that so  
many outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to separate  
all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word  
"videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out of  
it; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its  
based on technology (rss enclosure), not format.

Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined by  
many factors, some technologically based, and others "format based".

When a word is in flux based on "format", then what you have is a  
bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clear  
borders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined.

Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussing  
these things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are  
informed or not.

With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, but  
there is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Its  
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

ahhh, the joy of language.many personal video journals may contain an individual 'putting on a show'. it may be them and it may be true to form, but you have to admit that once you are doing self-video, people will have tendencies to not be a total bore... hell, even socially anywhere, people will try to not be boring and maybe jazz themselves up. its natural.
so, isnt it all a show? politicians... a show.your co-workers a showyour boss a showthe pope...a showyour self... a showthere was a time when a show like "Jackass" was not considered a 'show'.
reality tv initially came about to be the anti-show. now its popular mainstream TV... all shows.but, my point may lead to this... a show is something that tries to be entertaining.a corporate business meeting... an accountant explaining numbers and codes training seminars all most likely to bore you to death. if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard to use. they would just be videos.
i am really reaching here... forgive. but might as well add to the confusion of this mixed-up thread.making directories what else is their to say on that? anyone?sull
On 12/5/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't help but think that someone who walks around pointing a> camera at them-self and then puts that up for the world to see is a> show.> I understand however the rejection of the word as it applies to this
> particular medium when people feel it may indicate something> contrived, or planned out, when in most cases it does. Even when> people capture something accidentally, they tend to make decisions
> from there about whether or not to "show it" or how to "edit it" to> show it, etc.> Even if there is no intention behind the videoblogger "to show",> isn't that what's happening?
I use the word "show" in the sense of "TV show".in the sense that it has a format, a expected host, and is trying toappeal to large audiences.it certainly has worked for TV...so why should people not use this
formula for videoblogging if these are the desired goals?when i say "personal videoblogs", i guess i mean more of a diary format.yes, i am often the "star" of my videos...and it can be like a "show"...
but i also have no format...its more like a scrap album that will onlyhave value in the future.That new rockNroll videoblog. what is it about?music. has a nice format. its cool. great to download the video iPod
for wacthing on the subway.this couple can now reach a huge audince with no permission from anyone.i liked that video they showed recently of the guy getting kicked inthe balls by the girls in bikinies.
My videoblog. what is it about?probably me. or not...i also post a lot of text.as a blogger, im not just using my blog to make an RSS feed ofvideos...i also use my blog to link to things i find on the web.
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Jay dedman

> I can't help but think that someone who walks around pointing a
> camera at them-self and then puts that up for the world to see is a
> show.
> I understand however the rejection of the word as it applies to this
> particular medium when people feel it may indicate something
> contrived, or planned out, when in most cases it does. Even when
> people capture something accidentally, they tend to make decisions
> from there about whether or not to "show it" or how to "edit it" to
> show it, etc.
> Even if there is no intention behind the videoblogger "to show",
> isn't that what's happening?

I use the word "show" in the sense of "TV show".
in the sense that it has a format, a expected host, and is trying to
appeal to large audiences.
it certainly has worked for TV...so why should people not use this
formula for videoblogging if these are the desired goals?

when i say "personal videoblogs", i guess i mean more of a diary format.
yes, i am often the "star" of my videos...and it can be like a "show"...
but i also have no format...its more like a scrap album that will only
have value in the future.

That new rockNroll videoblog. what is it about?
music. has a nice format. its cool. great to download the video iPod
for wacthing on the subway.
this couple can now reach a huge audince with no permission from anyone.
i liked that video they showed recently of the guy getting kicked in
the balls by the girls in bikinies.

My videoblog. what is it about?
probably me. or not...i also post a lot of text.
as a blogger, im not just using my blog to make an RSS feed of
videos...i also use my blog to link to things i find on the web.
video just allows me to expand what i can share with people.

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On Dec 5, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> Jay dedman wrote:
>> there is a difference between the personal videoblogs and the  
>> "show" videoblogs.
>> personal videoblgs cant really be categorized because they are about
>> anything the person wants (like blogging).
>> the show videolbogs are easy to categorize becasue they are like
>> mini-tv shows (a tech show, a skater show...)
>
> I'm starting to wonder if some of the personal videoblogs really  
> are (or
> could be) 'shows' in the way they feature a single person, and  
> whatever
> that person is/does/etc...

This is more in-line with my take on it. By making your video public,  
you are "showing" it.

Even fine artists have "shows". Musicians have "shows".

I can't help but think that someone who walks around pointing a  
camera at them-self and then puts that up for the world to see is a  
show.

I understand however the rejection of the word as it applies to this  
particular medium when people feel it may indicate something  
contrived, or planned out, when in most cases it does. Even when  
people capture something accidentally, they tend to make decisions  
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Even if there is no intention behind the videoblogger "to show",  
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Pete Prodoehl

Jay dedman wrote:
> there is a difference between the personal videoblogs and the "show" 
> videoblogs.
> personal videoblgs cant really be categorized because they are about
> anything the person wants (like blogging).
> the show videolbogs are easy to categorize becasue they are like
> mini-tv shows (a tech show, a skater show...)

I'm starting to wonder if some of the personal videoblogs really are (or 
could be) 'shows' in the way they feature a single person, and whatever 
that person is/does/etc...

Are the videoblogs (can we call them that?) of Kevin Smith or Zach Braff 
deal with them and what they do. These seem personal rather than 
'show-like' but I'm also thinking of podcasts like The Dawn & Drew Show, 
where, I suppose it's a show, but it's also just about whatever the hell 
they did that particular day.

Does a show have to have a theme, or a regular schedule, or a defined 
format, or...?

Where and how will crossovers happen?

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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-05 Thread Pete Prodoehl

Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:32:51 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
>>this is interesting.
>>its a list of known blogs circa 2000:
>>http://www.jjg.net/retired/portal/tpoowl.html
> 
> I'm not on it! I got my first Blogger blog in October 2000, and if I had  
> one a ton of other people had them. That list looks like the A-list. :o)

I am... Under 'ye olde skool' is 'rasterweb'

By 2000 some of us had been at it for more than 2 years. ;)

Of course, I'm not exactly an A-lister, just an early adopter.

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> but the fact that people can make content for TV/portables is not
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2005-12-04 Thread Jay dedman

> It's always dangerous to predict the future, but I can try anyway. I think
> video-only blogs will take directories to heart because people can't
> decide if they're blogging or making tv for iPod and PSP. Text blogs and
> mixed-media will continue like they always have because it's a better way
> to categorize blogs.

very true.
there is a difference between the personal videoblogs and the "show" videoblogs.
personal videoblgs cant really be categorized because they are about
anything the person wants (like blogging).
the show videolbogs are easy to categorize becasue they are like
mini-tv shows (a tech show, a skater show...)

this is a good point.
but the fact that people can make content for TV/portables is not
necessarily a bad thing.
this video is also being archived and remains linkable just like a
blog post does
this is true as long as creators use blogs to distribute their
work...and not just insert their work into the closed video services
popping up.
Also, the choice of streaming video services is not bloggy in my opinion.

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You guys are so closed if you think this.

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> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:27:42 +0100, Michael Sullivan
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

Andreas, some guy was asking a technical question about linking and  
you stepped in to destroy him by diverting the question into some  
irrational, diatribe about universals.

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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-04 Thread Joshua Kinberg

These threads really get off topic quickly.
I'm much more interested in what makes a good directory rather than
whether a video blog should be restricted to under 15 minutes.

Personally, I like to leave the content decisions up to the creators.
They make what they want, I view what I want. I don't like to watch
anything much longer than 3 minutes, but that's just my viewing
habits... unless its really really really good stuff.

But, enabling better ways of finding good stuff (or stuff that I think
is good for me, and stuff that other people think is good for them)
really interests me. Directories are a decent start, but I know there
must be ways to make them better

-josh

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>
> I can also say things like "feature films are 90 minutes long" and people
> will know what I mean without me having to include a list of exceptions to
> that general example.
>
> The real question is: Does all this help anyone get closer to why long
> videos don't fit into the blogging use pattern or is it just noise for the
> sake of "calling someone out"?
>
> - Andreas
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> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:05:50 +0100, andrew michael baron
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> alright, i see your point...
> enter vodcasts.
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> If I have what is agreed to be a videoblog, and for whatever reason my
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> Your going to tell me that I no longer have a videoblog and this was not  
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alright, i see your point...
enter vodcasts.
;-) 
On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You seem to be looking for trouble everywhere. When I wrote my first emailI wasn't aware that this had become an academic discussion list. If I knew
that my email would've been a lot longer and a lot more boring to 98% ofthe people on this list. You can be proud about "calling me" on beinggeneral of you want, but that was the intention all along anyway.
I can also say things like "feature films are 90 minutes long" and peoplewill know what I mean without me having to include a list of exceptions tothat general example.The real question is: Does all this help anyone get closer to why long
videos don't fit into the blogging use pattern or is it just noise for thesake of "calling someone out"?- AndreasOn Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:05:50 +0100, andrew michael baron<
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

You seem to be looking for trouble everywhere. When I wrote my first email  
I wasn't aware that this had become an academic discussion list. If I knew  
that my email would've been a lot longer and a lot more boring to 98% of  
the people on this list. You can be proud about "calling me" on being  
general of you want, but that was the intention all along anyway.

I can also say things like "feature films are 90 minutes long" and people  
will know what I mean without me having to include a list of exceptions to  
that general example.

The real question is: Does all this help anyone get closer to why long  
videos don't fit into the blogging use pattern or is it just noise for the  
sake of "calling someone out"?

- Andreas

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> You started off the converstation by saying:
>
> "If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. "
>
> Then you sent a few more e-mails elaborating on time and defending
> your claim.
>
> Now you are giving up and suggesting that its my fault for assuming
> you were not speaking generally (which is what I was calling you out
> on). Now you say:
>
> "It's academically dishonest to equate the general example with an
> absolute rule."
>
> If this were a puzzle, it would have been more fun.
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> On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
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>> If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry.
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-04 Thread Joshua Kinberg

Craigslist works well because people are putting stuff in distinct categories in order to be found in those distinct categories.But.. craigslist is also very temporal. Only the recent stuff is noticed. Its harder to find things that aren't the most recent.
-JoshOn 12/4/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

craigslist works pretty well
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by keeping up with weblogs.com.I think Aggregators help too... people subscribe to the blogs theyfind interesting, and then find more simply through word of mouth,
reputation filters, and search engines.
There is no one-stop-shop for blogs, though there are popularityindexes... stuff like Blogdex, Daypop, Technorati.I think directories are helpful, but there may be better ways to findsomething when the data set gets large other than by browsing
hierarchical categories in a traditional directory. The directorieswe're seeing these days are something different as they are organizedmore with tags and other social elements as opposed to hierarchicalcategories.
-JoshOn 12/3/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> this is interesting.
> its a list of known blogs circa 2000:>
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You started off the converstation by saying: "If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. "Then you sent a few more e-mails elaborating on time and defending your claim.Now you are giving up and suggesting that its my fault for assuming you were not speaking generally (which is what I was calling you out on). Now you say:"It's academically dishonest to equate the general example with an absolute rule."If this were a puzzle, it would have been more fun.On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry.  




  
  
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craigslist works pretty well
 
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There is no one-stop-shop for blogs, though there are popularityindexes... stuff like Blogdex, Daypop, Technorati.I think directories are helpful, but there may be better ways to findsomething when the data set gets large other than by browsing
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-JoshOn 12/3/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> this is interesting.> its a list of known blogs circa 2000:> 
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buffering happens with all platforms...  
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QT + SMIL really sux.I hate watching things load/buffer forever.-joshOn 12/4/05, Michael Sullivan <
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> On 12/4/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > silly answer.> >> > you might find this article by jon udell more enlightening
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> > (real, windows, etc)> >> >> >> > Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:> >> > >If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories




Time in the context of videoblogs, or more specifically the actual video,  can only be a preference of the creator and audience but cannot be a factor in qualifying it as a videoblog against any other label that one might conjure up.

 
If I have what is agreed to be a videoblog, and for whatever reason my latest post contains a long video... 20 minutes.  
Your going to tell me that I no longer have a videoblog and this was not a videoblog post?
sull 
On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:59:56 +0100, andrew michael baron<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:> On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:>>> If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv>> program in a blog.>> Fact check: False. Non sequitur. The hypothetical inference is
> unrelated to the conclusion.Fact check: I disagree.> Videoblog entries are not defined by the minute.They are defined by content (including length) and reading patterns. Sincereading patterns are heavily influenced by the length the result is the
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-04 Thread Joshua Kinberg

QT + SMIL really sux.
I hate watching things load/buffer forever.

-josh


On 12/4/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > this is one area where quicktime really sux compared to the others
> > (real, windows, etc)
>
>  QT+SMIL then.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/4/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > silly answer.
> >
> > you might find this article by jon udell more enlightening
> >
> >
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/01/07/primetime.html
> >
> > this is one area where quicktime really sux compared to the others
> > (real, windows, etc)
> >
> >
> >
> > Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> >
> > >If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv
> > >program in a blog.
> > >
> > >- Andreas
> > >
> > >On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:20:24 +0100, Michael Ridley
> > >< [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Sure but how do I link to the segmet 15 minutes in?
> > >>
> > >>-m
> > >>
> > >>On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Write a text description in your blog software when you post your
> video.
> > >>>No need to overcomplicate things.
> > >>>
> > >>>- Andreas
> > >>>
> > >>>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:29 +0100, Michael Ridley
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecoded
> > shownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track of
> > their content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
> > want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of the
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories





this is one area where quicktime really sux compared to the others(real, windows, etc)
 QT+SMIL then.
 
On 12/4/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
silly answer.you might find this article by jon udell more enlightening
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/01/07/primetime.htmlthis is one area where quicktime really sux compared to the others(real, windows, etc)Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv>program in a blog.>>- Andreas>>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:20:24 +0100, Michael Ridley><
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>Sure but how do I link to the segmet 15 minutes in?-mOn 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>>Write a text description in your blog software when you post your video.>>>No need to overcomplicate things.>>- Andreas
>>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:29 +0100, Michael Ridley>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecodedshownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track oftheir content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of thecontent on IT Conversations.  And apple has their chapter-ized AACpodcast format...
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

We were talking about a generalized example, no absolutes. It's  
academically dishonest to equate the general example with an absolute rule.

- Andreas

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:15:48 +0100, andrew michael baron  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Time" can "play" in as a sentiment for the definition, but it can
> not restrict the definition. You can say "typically or often", but
> you are a butcher for saying 15min is not allowed. You will need to
> come up with a cut-off point.
>
> Especially, and specifically to the point that you made about a "15"
> min mark, a claim that is %100 "unreasonable", even with sentiment.
> It's academically dishonest to impose an actual limit like this.
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:59:56 +0100, andrew michael baron
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>>>
 If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv
 program in a blog.
>>>
>>> Fact check: False. Non sequitur. The hypothetical inference is
>>> unrelated to the conclusion.
>>
>> Fact check: I disagree.
>>
>>> Videoblog entries are not defined by the minute.
>>
>> They are defined by content (including length) and reading
>> patterns. Since
>> reading patterns are heavily influenced by the length the result is
>> the
>> same in this case.
>>
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-04 Thread Markus Sandy

silly answer.

you might find this article by jon udell more enlightening

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/01/07/primetime.html

this is one area where quicktime really sux compared to the others 
(real, windows, etc)



Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

>If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv  
>program in a blog.
>
>- Andreas
>
>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:20:24 +0100, Michael Ridley  
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Sure but how do I link to the segmet 15 minutes in?
>>
>>-m
>>
>>On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Write a text description in your blog software when you post your video.
>>>No need to overcomplicate things.
>>>
>>>- Andreas
>>>
>>>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:29 +0100, Michael Ridley
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecoded
shownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track of
their content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of the
content on IT Conversations.  And apple has their chapter-ized AAC
podcast format...




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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

"Time" can "play" in as a sentiment for the definition, but it can  
not restrict the definition. You can say "typically or often", but  
you are a butcher for saying 15min is not allowed. You will need to  
come up with a cut-off point.

Especially, and specifically to the point that you made about a "15"  
min mark, a claim that is %100 "unreasonable", even with sentiment.  
It's academically dishonest to impose an actual limit like this.

On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:59:56 +0100, andrew michael baron
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>>
>>> If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv
>>> program in a blog.
>>
>> Fact check: False. Non sequitur. The hypothetical inference is
>> unrelated to the conclusion.
>
> Fact check: I disagree.
>
>> Videoblog entries are not defined by the minute.
>
> They are defined by content (including length) and reading  
> patterns. Since
> reading patterns are heavily influenced by the length the result is  
> the
> same in this case.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:59:56 +0100, andrew michael baron  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>
>> If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv
>> program in a blog.
>
> Fact check: False. Non sequitur. The hypothetical inference is
> unrelated to the conclusion.

Fact check: I disagree.

> Videoblog entries are not defined by the minute.

They are defined by content (including length) and reading patterns. Since  
reading patterns are heavily influenced by the length the result is the  
same in this case.

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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

> If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv
> program in a blog.

Fact check: False. Non sequitur. The hypothetical inference is  
unrelated to the conclusion.

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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

If you've got 15 minutes you don't have a blog entry. You have a tv  
program in a blog.

- Andreas

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:20:24 +0100, Michael Ridley  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sure but how do I link to the segmet 15 minutes in?
>
> -m
>
> On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Write a text description in your blog software when you post your video.
>> No need to overcomplicate things.
>>
>> - Andreas
>>
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:29 +0100, Michael Ridley
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecoded
>> > shownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track of
>> > their content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
>> > want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of the
>> > content on IT Conversations.  And apple has their chapter-ized AAC
>> > podcast format...
>> >
>> > -m
>> >
>> > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:32:51 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > this is interesting.
>> >> > its a list of known blogs circa 2000:
>> >> > http://www.jjg.net/retired/portal/tpoowl.html
>> >>
>> >> I'm not on it! I got my first Blogger blog in October 2000, and if I  
>> had
>> >> one a ton of other people had them. That list looks like the A-list.  
>> :o)
>> >>
>> >> > there's no really directory for text blogs that i know of...did  
>> they
>> >> > not think to do it?
>> >> > how will we be more successful?
>> >>
>> >> You're assuming that the lact of a directory is a problem.
>> >>
>> >> The total number of weblogs is an issue (22.3 million and counting
>> >> according to Technorati). Weblogs.com have been unsuable for anyone
>> >> except
>> >> robots for years because of this (it is however extremely valuable  
>> for
>> >> robots).
>> >>
>> >> The deal is that video-only blogs are seen as something that should  
>> be
>> >> categorized on a blog-by-blog basis. Weblogs (and mixed-media blogs)  
>> are
>> >> categorized on a post-by-post basis. A directory doesn't make sense,  
>> but
>> >> something that helps me find what I'm looking for is (ie. blog  
>> post(s)
>> >> about what I'm looking for). Video-only blogs haven't really adopted
>> >> blogging in this respect.
>> >>
>> >> It's always dangerous to predict the future, but I can try anyway. I
>> >> think
>> >> video-only blogs will take directories to heart because people can't
>> >> decide if they're blogging or making tv for iPod and PSP. Text blogs  
>> and
>> >> mixed-media will continue like they always have because it's a better
>> >> way
>> >> to categorize blogs.
>> >>
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-04 Thread Michael Ridley

Sure but how do I link to the segmet 15 minutes in?

-m

On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Write a text description in your blog software when you post your video.
> No need to overcomplicate things.
>
> - Andreas
>
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:29 +0100, Michael Ridley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecoded
> > shownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track of
> > their content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
> > want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of the
> > content on IT Conversations.  And apple has their chapter-ized AAC
> > podcast format...
> >
> > -m
> >
> > On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:32:51 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > this is interesting.
> >> > its a list of known blogs circa 2000:
> >> > http://www.jjg.net/retired/portal/tpoowl.html
> >>
> >> I'm not on it! I got my first Blogger blog in October 2000, and if I had
> >> one a ton of other people had them. That list looks like the A-list. :o)
> >>
> >> > there's no really directory for text blogs that i know of...did they
> >> > not think to do it?
> >> > how will we be more successful?
> >>
> >> You're assuming that the lact of a directory is a problem.
> >>
> >> The total number of weblogs is an issue (22.3 million and counting
> >> according to Technorati). Weblogs.com have been unsuable for anyone
> >> except
> >> robots for years because of this (it is however extremely valuable for
> >> robots).
> >>
> >> The deal is that video-only blogs are seen as something that should be
> >> categorized on a blog-by-blog basis. Weblogs (and mixed-media blogs) are
> >> categorized on a post-by-post basis. A directory doesn't make sense, but
> >> something that helps me find what I'm looking for is (ie. blog post(s)
> >> about what I'm looking for). Video-only blogs haven't really adopted
> >> blogging in this respect.
> >>
> >> It's always dangerous to predict the future, but I can try anyway. I
> >> think
> >> video-only blogs will take directories to heart because people can't
> >> decide if they're blogging or making tv for iPod and PSP. Text blogs and
> >> mixed-media will continue like they always have because it's a better
> >> way
> >> to categorize blogs.
> >>
> >> - Andreas
> >> --
> >> http://www.solitude.dk/>
> >> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

Write a text description in your blog software when you post your video.  
No need to overcomplicate things.

- Andreas

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:45:29 +0100, Michael Ridley  
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> It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecoded
> shownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track of
> their content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
> want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of the
> content on IT Conversations.  And apple has their chapter-ized AAC
> podcast format...
>
> -m
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> On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:32:51 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > this is interesting.
>> > its a list of known blogs circa 2000:
>> > http://www.jjg.net/retired/portal/tpoowl.html
>>
>> I'm not on it! I got my first Blogger blog in October 2000, and if I had
>> one a ton of other people had them. That list looks like the A-list. :o)
>>
>> > there's no really directory for text blogs that i know of...did they
>> > not think to do it?
>> > how will we be more successful?
>>
>> You're assuming that the lact of a directory is a problem.
>>
>> The total number of weblogs is an issue (22.3 million and counting
>> according to Technorati). Weblogs.com have been unsuable for anyone  
>> except
>> robots for years because of this (it is however extremely valuable for
>> robots).
>>
>> The deal is that video-only blogs are seen as something that should be
>> categorized on a blog-by-blog basis. Weblogs (and mixed-media blogs) are
>> categorized on a post-by-post basis. A directory doesn't make sense, but
>> something that helps me find what I'm looking for is (ie. blog post(s)
>> about what I'm looking for). Video-only blogs haven't really adopted
>> blogging in this respect.
>>
>> It's always dangerous to predict the future, but I can try anyway. I  
>> think
>> video-only blogs will take directories to heart because people can't
>> decide if they're blogging or making tv for iPod and PSP. Text blogs and
>> mixed-media will continue like they always have because it's a better  
>> way
>> to categorize blogs.
>>
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Re: [videoblogging] making directories

2005-12-04 Thread Michael Ridley

It would be cool if there were some metadata format to have timecoded
shownotes associated with vidcasts so that you could keep track of
their content on a "post by post" basis and just get the clips you
want.  I know Doug Kaye basically already does this with some of the
content on IT Conversations.  And apple has their chapter-ized AAC
podcast format...

-m

On 12/4/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:32:51 +0100, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > this is interesting.
> > its a list of known blogs circa 2000:
> > http://www.jjg.net/retired/portal/tpoowl.html
>
> I'm not on it! I got my first Blogger blog in October 2000, and if I had
> one a ton of other people had them. That list looks like the A-list. :o)
>
> > there's no really directory for text blogs that i know of...did they
> > not think to do it?
> > how will we be more successful?
>
> You're assuming that the lact of a directory is a problem.
>
> The total number of weblogs is an issue (22.3 million and counting
> according to Technorati). Weblogs.com have been unsuable for anyone except
> robots for years because of this (it is however extremely valuable for
> robots).
>
> The deal is that video-only blogs are seen as something that should be
> categorized on a blog-by-blog basis. Weblogs (and mixed-media blogs) are
> categorized on a post-by-post basis. A directory doesn't make sense, but
> something that helps me find what I'm looking for is (ie. blog post(s)
> about what I'm looking for). Video-only blogs haven't really adopted
> blogging in this respect.
>
> It's always dangerous to predict the future, but I can try anyway. I think
> video-only blogs will take directories to heart because people can't
> decide if they're blogging or making tv for iPod and PSP. Text blogs and
> mixed-media will continue like they always have because it's a better way
> to categorize blogs.
>
> - Andreas
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