RE: a media live reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

This app does not recognize and read text that appears in an existing video 
which is how I understand your question.
It does instant OCR and reads what it sees with the camera in video mode and 
also has a still camera mode where it basically does the same as KNFB Reader 
except I would be surprised if it did it as well.
Basically it does what Talking Goggles does which costs $0.99. There was also 
an update for Talking Goggles today which mentioned "- Resolved iOS 10 issues" 
and "Performance improvements" in the What's New section.

Here is what it says on the app store about A Media Live Reader and the link to 
the app in the app store since there is a lot more information about it there:

Features:
* Scans a live image captured by a camera and reads the texts in it in 
real-time.
* Designed for visually impaired users.
* Supported language: English, Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Traditional), 
Czech, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Indonesian, 
Italian, Japanese, Korean, Malay, Norwegian (Bokmål), Polish, Portuguese, 
Romanian, Slovak, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish.
* Employs an excellent OCR technology powered by ABBYY.

How to Use:
1. Open the App with VoiceOver turned on.
2. Tap the "Active" button to focus. The App starts beeping.
3. Direct the camera to letters. The App detects and read them in real-time.
4. Hold the device flat (with the camera facing down) to take a still picture. 
This is useful when you're reading paper sheets on a desk.
5. The previously read texts can be reached by left swiping.
6. Copy the texts to the Clipboard in the Settings screen.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amedia-live-reader/id1040357170?mt=8

Regards,
Sieghard

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Todd Patkus
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: a media live reader

Gordon,

Do you mean the Media Live Reader may be able to read text from a live video 
the same way sighted folks see the text there in the video?

Todd

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Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: a media live reader

It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real time.


On 11/8/2016 6:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
> So, what does this app do?
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:29 PM
> Subject: a media live reader
>
>
>> So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering 
>> if anyone out here has it and how well it works? Also is there a 
>> podcast of audio description of this app in use?
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RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That would make sense then and it explains why I am restricted to bluetooth 
range. I just called Telus and apparently WiFi calling is supposed to be 
available in the next "months". This is "months" plural and unfortunately not 
"month" as in by the end of November or beginning of December. Apparently Telus 
is the last of the 3 carriers to have this, both Bell and Rogers have been 
offering WiFi calling for some time. Anyhow, I hope it will come by the end of 
the year or at least in January or February so I can take advantage of this as 
well.

Regards,
Sieghard.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

Hi Sieghard,

I think Wi-Fi calling has to be available and turned on for you to be able to 
get calls on the watch without it having a bluetooth connection to your phone.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hi Anna,

That's amazing, I really don't undersand why there isn't a DialPad, definitely 
something I will have to submit as feedback/a feature request.
I did check under Settings > Phone and for "Calls on other devices" it says 
"When Nearby". If I double tap on that it says that it is turned on and that is 
the only setting I see.
Unfortunately Telus, one of the 3 big carriers in Canada, for some reason does 
not yet offer Wi-Fi calling, hopefully this will change soon.

I wonder why my Watch didn't ring then yesterday since my phone was connected 
to my store's WiFi network and according to what you said this means my watch 
should also be connected.

Another oddity I noticed is that when I open the Messages app I saw all my 
messages, but a few of the iMessage threads I had deleted on my phone, but they 
still showed up on the watch. Shouldn't they go away on the watch if they are 
deleted on the phone.

Thanks,
Sieghard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:31 AM
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Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

Hi Sieghard,

No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi settings 
either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join any network 
that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages and 
notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and watch 
are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your watch if you 
have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks allow Wi-Fi 
calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and Calls on 
Other Devices should both be turned on.

I hope that's of some help.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),

I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will fix 
this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to anywhere 
you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a certain 
department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and medium sized 
companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many businesses 
nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some numbers. It’s 
not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for entering your 
passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the phone app without 
the Asterisk and Number keys.

Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was too 
late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.

Regards,
Sieghard


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RE: a media live reader

[Todd Patkus]

Gordon,

Just wanted to understand you correctly.  That is all.  Thanks.

Todd

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Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:55 PM
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Subject: Re: a media live reader

 From the description, that's how it appears. I just didn't want to drop 
$30 on it without asking to see if anyone else had tried it.


On 11/8/2016 6:53 PM, Todd Patkus wrote:
> Gordon,
>
> Do you mean the Media Live Reader may be able to read text from a live video 
> the same way sighted folks see the text there in the video?
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: a media live reader
>
> It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real time.
>
>
> On 11/8/2016 6:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>> So, what does this app do?
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:29 PM
>> Subject: a media live reader
>>
>>
>>> So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering
>>> if anyone out here has it and how well it works? Also is there a
>>> podcast of audio description of this app in use?
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Re: a media live reader

[Gordon]

From the description, that's how it appears. I just didn't want to drop 
$30 on it without asking to see if anyone else had tried it.



On 11/8/2016 6:53 PM, Todd Patkus wrote:

Gordon,

Do you mean the Media Live Reader may be able to read text from a live video 
the same way sighted folks see the text there in the video?

Todd

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Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: a media live reader

It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real time.


On 11/8/2016 6:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

So, what does this app do?

- Original Message - From: "Gordon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:29 PM
Subject: a media live reader



So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering
if anyone out here has it and how well it works? Also is there a
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RE: a media live reader

[Todd Patkus]

Gordon,

Do you mean the Media Live Reader may be able to read text from a live video 
the same way sighted folks see the text there in the video?

Todd

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Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: a media live reader

It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real time.


On 11/8/2016 6:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
> So, what does this app do?
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:29 PM
> Subject: a media live reader
>
>
>> So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering 
>> if anyone out here has it and how well it works? Also is there a 
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Re: dial pad on Apple Watch

[Shai]

Hello Sieghard,
Please keep us up to date after you have downloaded this app and had a
chance to try it out.


On 11/8/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Exactly my experience, still baffles me. I'll definitely try out Shai's
> suggestion about this app. I hope this is the same for users who don't use
> Voiceover. Anna, when your sighted husband had a look was Voiceover running?
> Wouldn't it be incredible if there were a DialPad without Voiceover and not
> one with Voiceover running? Of course the existance of the app Shai
> mentioned would indicate that Apple simply decided people didn't need to
> press any numbers on their Apple Watch or may want to dial a phone number
> manually. I guess you could use SIRI for this, but that still doesn't solve
> the problem of having to dial numbers during a call.
>
> Regards,
> SieghardBy that I mean
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:00 PM
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> Subject: dial pad on Apple Watch
>
> Hello,
>
> I just had my sighted husband call me and answered the call on the Apple
> Watch. Neither of us could find either a dial pad or a way to activate a
> dial pad. After we hung up, I asked Siri to open the Phone app on the watch.
> There were options for Favorites, Recents, Contacts, and VoiceMail, but no
> keyboard. If anyone has accessed a dial pad on their Apple Watch before or
> during a phone call, please let us all know how you did it.
>
> Cheers,
> Anna
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Re: a media live reader

[Gordon]

It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real 
time.



On 11/8/2016 6:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

So, what does this app do?

- Original Message - From: "Gordon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:29 PM
Subject: a media live reader


So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering 
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Re: a media live reader

[Brent Harding]

So, what does this app do?

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon" 

To: 
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Subject: a media live reader


So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering if 
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RE: dial pad on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly my experience, still baffles me. I'll definitely try out Shai's 
suggestion about this app. I hope this is the same for users who don't use 
Voiceover. Anna, when your sighted husband had a look was Voiceover running? 
Wouldn't it be incredible if there were a DialPad without Voiceover and not one 
with Voiceover running? Of course the existance of the app Shai mentioned would 
indicate that Apple simply decided people didn't need to press any numbers on 
their Apple Watch or may want to dial a phone number manually. I guess you 
could use SIRI for this, but that still doesn't solve the problem of having to 
dial numbers during a call.

Regards,
SieghardBy that I mean 

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:00 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: dial pad on Apple Watch

Hello,

I just had my sighted husband call me and answered the call on the Apple Watch. 
Neither of us could find either a dial pad or a way to activate a dial pad. 
After we hung up, I asked Siri to open the Phone app on the watch. There were 
options for Favorites, Recents, Contacts, and VoiceMail, but no keyboard. If 
anyone has accessed a dial pad on their Apple Watch before or during a phone 
call, please let us all know how you did it.

Cheers,
Anna

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RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

It is you who said it, but it is not my opinion.  All I was doing is making a 
clear statement that public beta is simply useless.  I have no use for them, so 
I simply leave them out and press onward.

Not my opinion but simply a simple fact that beta is almost always a waste.  No 
thanks to these useless beta stuff!

Thanks.

Todd

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Hi Todd,

It's of course your choice and everybody's choice if they participate in public 
betas or apply to participate in private betas. I do strongly believe, however, 
that beta releases in general are a great opportunity not only to report bugs, 
but also to provide feedback on new features a developer has added or is 
looking to improve even if said features work just fine without bugs. Sonos is 
a good example. For those who don't know Sonos, they make a number of wireless 
music players you can deploy around your home to bring music (or other audio) 
to various rooms. The equipment is controlled with the Sonos app and Sonos has 
a very active private beta community and they release new versions of the app 
which include new features which need to be tested and many Sonos enthusiasts 
love doing this and giving them feedback on how well things work or what needs 
to be improved and also what other features should be added later. There are a 
lot of very capable people out there who as a group can greatly help developers 
because especially when it comes to Android devices, no developer can have all 
the devices that exist in order to test their app on said devices under certain 
conditions. Everybody else does benefit from the final release even if the 
final release still contains bugs and you may think betas are useless and a 
waste of time. Of course it is not for everybody to beta test and that's 
perfectly OK, but I have personally approached developers where I wanted to use 
and app and found it lacked accessibility and in many cases the developers were 
very willing to make improvements which I then beta tested and provided 
feedback.When the app was later released with much better accessibility it of 
course benefited me, but it also benefited all others who then enjoyed the app 
which I helped to make accessible and there are many on this list who have done 
the same with apps they found interesting and useful. The Netatmo Weather 
Station is one example, it was basically useless until I contacted the 
developer after I bought a weather station and found I could not use it. It 
could still use some improvements and after the initial work they did the 
developer has been less enthusiastic to continue, but it is very useable as it 
is now and many others on this list have bought a Netatmo Weather Station and 
are enjoying the fact they can have access to indoor and outdoor temperature, 
indoor CO2 levels and rainfall amounts and wind speed. Sonos again is another 
example, accessibility was sorely lacking and here several others as well as 
myself relentlessly went after Sonos and bugged them until they realized that 
the Sonos system was of great interest to the blind and in around 2011 or 2012 
there was a turning point when the company made acccessibility a priority and 
ever since each release has been accessible and even some features which 
initially were not accessible like TruePlay tuning eventually were made 
accessible.
OK, enough said, hopefully I was able to explain that beta testing, both 
private and public, is of value and that everybody benefit from the many hours 
beta testers spend testing and reporting issues and providing feedback on new 
features. Beyond that everybody is entitled to their opinion and what I wrote 
above explains mine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Todd Patkus
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Chris et al,

I have absolutely no interest or absolutely no need for these stuff.

Apple is not the only one.  Freedom Scientific is one of them.  They like to 
release public Beta annually, but I do not care about them.  These 
stuff--Apple's Beta and FS' Beta--are simply nothing but simply a big waste!  
Beta does not do any good.

Look at bugs still appearing in newer versions.  They do not do enough to first 
check their versions more thoroughly first to ensure the software work 
correctly before releasing them.  Instead, they just enhance new features and 
then, without adequate investigation, send out new versions filled with more 
unwanted bugs to make customers complain!

That is it.

Todd

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RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

I assume you refer to having a DialPad on your iPhone and that I do have as 
well.
The thread Anna and Shai were replying to was about the Phone app on the Apple 
Watch.
Subject indicated this: "Phone app on Apple Watch"


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

Sieghard,

Have your sighted friend see what is on your screen.  I see a dial pad on mine. 
 Does not make sense when one says no dial pad!

Todd

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

Hi Anna,

That's amazing, I really don't undersand why there isn't a DialPad, definitely 
something I will have to submit as feedback/a feature request.
I did check under Settings > Phone and for "Calls on other devices" it says 
"When Nearby". If I double tap on that it says that it is turned on and that is 
the only setting I see.
Unfortunately Telus, one of the 3 big carriers in Canada, for some reason does 
not yet offer Wi-Fi calling, hopefully this will change soon.

I wonder why my Watch didn't ring then yesterday since my phone was connected 
to my store's WiFi network and according to what you said this means my watch 
should also be connected.

Another oddity I noticed is that when I open the Messages app I saw all my 
messages, but a few of the iMessage threads I had deleted on my phone, but they 
still showed up on the watch. Shouldn't they go away on the watch if they are 
deleted on the phone.

Thanks,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:31 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>
Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

Hi Sieghard,

No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi settings 
either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join any network 
that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages and 
notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and watch 
are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your watch if you 
have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks allow Wi-Fi 
calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and Calls on 
Other Devices should both be turned on.

I hope that's of some help.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),

I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will fix 
this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to anywhere 
you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a certain 
department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and medium sized 
companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many businesses 
nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some numbers. It’s 
not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for entering your 
passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the phone app without 
the Asterisk and Number keys.

Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was too 
late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.

Regards,
Sieghard


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RE: dial pad on Apple Watch

[Todd Patkus]

Anna,

If this continues to be so, the folks here and you should really contact 
Accessibility to report this.  If I were you, I would have definitely reported 
it to them!

Up to y'all to decide.

Todd

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:00 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: dial pad on Apple Watch

Hello,

I just had my sighted husband call me and answered the call on the Apple Watch. 
Neither of us could find either a dial pad or a way to activate a dial pad. 
After we hung up, I asked Siri to open the Phone app on the watch. There were 
options for Favorites, Recents, Contacts, and VoiceMail, but no keyboard. If 
anyone has accessed a dial pad on their Apple Watch before or during a phone 
call, please let us all know how you did it.

Cheers,
Anna

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dial pad on Apple Watch

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello,

I just had my sighted husband call me and answered the call on the Apple Watch. 
Neither of us could find either a dial pad or a way to activate a dial pad. 
After we hung up, I asked Siri to open the Phone app on the watch. There were 
options for Favorites, Recents, Contacts, and VoiceMail, but no keyboard. If 
anyone has accessed a dial pad on their Apple Watch before or during a phone 
call, please let us all know how you did it.

Cheers,
Anna

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Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Shai]

Hello Sieghard,
There is an app in the app store called watch keypad which mimics a
dial pad on the Apple Watch. I am not sure how accessible it is, but
if you are interested in a keypad on the watch, then you may want to
try this out in the short term until one is implemented.
As for WiFi capability on the watch, there is no WiFi setting it
connects to the same access point that your phone is connected to when
they are paired to each other. I think that at this point, the watch
can connect to a 2 gigahertz network only and not the 5 gigahertz.
This was true of the series 1 and I am not sure whether this was
changed for the series2. As Anna mentioned, calls on other devices and
Wifi calling have to be turned on for you to receive or be able to
make calls when you are far away from your phone.


On 11/8/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),
>
> I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no
> DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will
> fix this because this means you can't use it at all to make phone calls to
> anywhere you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a
> certain department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and
> medium sized companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many
> businesses nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some
> numbers. It's not as if it couldn't be done, after all there is a keypad for
> entering your passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the
> phone app without the Asterisk and Number keys.
>
> Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don't see a WiFi setting
> anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my
> retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from
> the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn't
> ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was
> too late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: which phones have offline dictation

[Todd Patkus]

Anna,

You better have sighted friends sit down with you and have them tell you what 
they see.  Something to consider.

Todd

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:06 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: which phones have offline dictation

Hello,

I'm working on the next edition of getting started with the iPhone, and I could 
use a bit of help. I believe I'm right that the 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and the 7 
phones all have the following features that other phones don't: Raise to Wake, 
Hey Siri works when the phone is on battery, and offline dictation. Is that 
right?

Thanks a lot,
Anna

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RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Have your sighted friend see what is on your screen.  I see a dial pad on mine. 
 Does not make sense when one says no dial pad!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

 

Hi Anna,

 

That's amazing, I really don't undersand why there isn't a DialPad, definitely 
something I will have to submit as feedback/a feature request. 

I did check under Settings > Phone and for "Calls on other devices" it says 
"When Nearby". If I double tap on that it says that it is turned on and that is 
the only setting I see.

Unfortunately Telus, one of the 3 big carriers in Canada, for some reason does 
not yet offer Wi-Fi calling, hopefully this will change soon.

 

I wonder why my Watch didn't ring then yesterday since my phone was connected 
to my store's WiFi network and according to what you said this means my watch 
should also be connected.

 

Another oddity I noticed is that when I open the Messages app I saw all my 
messages, but a few of the iMessage threads I had deleted on my phone, but they 
still showed up on the watch. Shouldn't they go away on the watch if they are 
deleted on the phone.

 

Thanks,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:31 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List  >
Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi settings 
either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join any network 
that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages and 
notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and watch 
are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your watch if you 
have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks allow Wi-Fi 
calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and Calls on 
Other Devices should both be turned on.

 

I hope that's of some help.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 

On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:

 

Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),

 

I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will fix 
this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to anywhere 
you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a certain 
department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and medium sized 
companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many businesses 
nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some numbers. It’s 
not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for entering your 
passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the phone app without 
the Asterisk and Number keys.

 

Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was too 
late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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Re: which phones have offline dictation

[Robin]

TheSE Does
that is the iPhoneSE
At 02:06 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote:

Hello,

I'm working on the next edition of getting started with the iPhone, 
and I could use a bit of help. I believe I'm right that the 6s, 6s 
Plus, SE, and the 7 phones all have the following features that 
other phones don't: Raise to Wake, Hey Siri works when the phone is 
on battery, and offline dictation. Is that right?


Thanks a lot,
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Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Sieghard,

I think Wi-Fi calling has to be available and turned on for you to be able to 
get calls on the watch without it having a bluetooth connection to your phone.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
>  
> That's amazing, I really don't undersand why there isn't a DialPad, 
> definitely something I will have to submit as feedback/a feature request.
> I did check under Settings > Phone and for "Calls on other devices" it says 
> "When Nearby". If I double tap on that it says that it is turned on and that 
> is the only setting I see.
> Unfortunately Telus, one of the 3 big carriers in Canada, for some reason 
> does not yet offer Wi-Fi calling, hopefully this will change soon.
>  
> I wonder why my Watch didn't ring then yesterday since my phone was connected 
> to my store's WiFi network and according to what you said this means my watch 
> should also be connected.
>  
> Another oddity I noticed is that when I open the Messages app I saw all my 
> messages, but a few of the iMessage threads I had deleted on my phone, but 
> they still showed up on the watch. Shouldn't they go away on the watch if 
> they are deleted on the phone.
>  
> Thanks,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:31 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List  >
> Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
>  
> No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi 
> settings either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join 
> any network that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages 
> and notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and 
> watch are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your 
> watch if you have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks 
> allow Wi-Fi calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and 
> Calls on Other Devices should both be turned on.
>  
> I hope that's of some help.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),
>  
> I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
> DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will 
> fix this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to 
> anywhere you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a 
> certain department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and 
> medium sized companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many 
> businesses nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some 
> numbers. It’s not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for 
> entering your passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the 
> phone app without the Asterisk and Number keys.
>  
> Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
> anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
> retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
> the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
> ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was 
> too late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: Notifications Missing on New iPhone 7 was RE: A Couple of Problems

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, Alan,

That seems to be the problem with me as well, not getting the spoken messages 
or notifications on the locked screen.  Hope the Accessibility people can 
remedy this issue.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi Esther,
> 
> I'm getting my text and notification alert sounds when my iPhone 7 is locked 
> but Voiceover isn't reading anything. I know with my iPhone 6 running the 
> same iOS that Voiceover did read incoming messages and notifications received 
> while my phone was locked. I'm thinking this must be an iPhone 7 issue since 
> both of my phones were running the same iOS and all the same settings. I've 
> written Apple Accessibility about this issue.
> 
> Alan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Notifications Missing on New iPhone 7 was RE: A Couple of 
> Problems
> 
> Hi, Alan!
> 
> I'm so glad that you finally are receiving all of your notifications.  I had 
> also tried turning off all my apps in Notifications but it didn't work for 
> me.  Glad it did for you!  Are you getting them on the locked screen.  I 
> still am not.
> 
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard, 
>> 
>> After googling around, it seems to me that getting all app notifications 
>> across multiple devices might not be attainable. At least some of the 
>> threads I came across seemed to indicate that. 
>> 
>> Since I'm pretty much a one I device kind of guy, I just went into my old 
>> iPhone 6 and turned off all app notifications. Now they are all coming to my 
>> new iPhone. 
>> 
>> I am experiencing the same issue that Esther originally posted about that 
>> notifications received while my iPhone 7 is locked aren't being read by 
>> VoiceOver. Perhaps I'll contact Apple Accessibility about that. 
>> 
>> Thanks to all who replied on this thread. 
>> 
>> Alan Lemly 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> Why don't you try to call Apple Accessibility and see if they can help or, 
>>> if you have an Apple Store nearby, stop in and talk to them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Alan Lemly
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Notifications Missing on New iPhone 7 was RE: A Couple of 
>>> Problems
>>> 
>>> Well, I have two iphones currently with the same name and Apple I'd. I went 
>>> in on my new iPhone 7 as you suggested and turned notifications off and 
>>> back on for every app on my phone. However, app notifications are only 
>>> coming in on my old iPhone 6 and not at all on my new iPhone 7. Maybe you 
>>> can't have two devices with the sane name on the sane Apple I'd and get 
>>> notifications on both of them. If you can, I'd love to know how to do it. 
>>> 
>>> After I get all my downloaded bard book info loaded on my new phone, I'll 
>>> reset the old phone to clear it and I expect this will no longer be an 
>>> issue. 
>>> 
>>> Alan 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 6, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Esther Levegnale  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Alan,
 
 I had to go into the apps to reset the notifications again and now I'm 
 getting all of them back.  However, I don't get them on the locked screen. 
  Perhaps you have to go into some of the apps and set them up in order to 
 receive notifications again.  I hope this will be successful for you.  
 Good luck.
 
 Esther L.
 
 Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
 
> On Nov 6, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Esther and All,
> 
> I'm getting the same issue you experienced with your iPhone 7 Plus, that 
> is, I'm getting all my notifications on my old iPhone 6 but nothing on my 
> new iPhone 7 which was restored from an iTunes encrypted backup. I went 
> under Settings, Notifications, and drilled down into each app on the new 
> phone and turned notifications off and back on again but I'm still not 
> getting anything. I didn't have your problem with my music as it all came 
> over when I synced with iTunes.
> 
> Can anyone offer any suggestions how I can get the notifications on my 
> new iPhone 7? Do I need to turn them off on my iPhone 6? I will be 
> resetting and clearing the iPhone 6 in order to sell it but that won't be 
> for a few days until I get all my BARD Mobile books identified and my 
> reading position noted.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

RE: What to do about Decreased Speaker Volume

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Dani,

As the speaker dries it may recover. I just wonder what this makes your iPod 
now, a lemon? Luckily you made lemon bars and not lemon tarts or else your iPod 
may have  become a tart.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 12:29 PM
To: iPhone for visually impaired 
Subject: What to do about Decreased Speaker Volume

Hi, Everyone.
I was baking lemon bars yesterday morning and inadvertently got some
filling on the back of my iPodTouch--it looked like just a little on
the middle of the right hand side. I cleaned it off as best I could
with a damp paper towel that had general cleaning stuff on it.

My speaker volume is significantly decreased. Next time I'll be sure
to cover my iPod with a Ziploc bag BEFORE starting to bake.

I checked the volume settings and everything looks normal. Is there
anything else I can do?

Thanks,
Dani, a little sadder, but wiser

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RE: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Craig,

You can empty the trash/deleted items folder in the iOS mail app all at once, 
too. I also never understood why somebody would want to delete all items in the 
inbox. OK, I guess if maybe you have a specific address for a mailing list and 
you just don't have time to read the messages this wold be a legit reason, but 
I can't ever see myself wanting to delete all emails in my main personal email 
account or my business account, there will always be emails in there I keep for 
some reason or the other or emails I still need to deal with.
Lastly, the native mail app now pretty much offers the same data sharing 
capability. You can use the "Attach File" option which is part of the edit menu 
in the rotor and this will let you enable iCloud Drive, Dropbox and OneDrive so 
you can very easily and quickly start composing an email and attach one or 
multiple files to it.
With the exception of that issue where Voiceover may stop for a moment or 
longer in some cases when replying to a large thread the native mail app really 
is very well done, efficient and nice to work with.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

Hello, Carol.

The Gmail app works specifically with Google accounts, and I can't see a way to 
force it out of its comfort zone.  As to why someone would want to use it, one 
might not need the power and data sharing capabilities of Outlook.  One might 
want to keep Gmail activity very separate from the activity on there accounts.  
If for some reason a user had to delete the Apple iOS mail account and had to 
start over, and if one of the accounts under the app was a POP3, all messages 
might be lost, including those on the Gmail account.  Perhaps the interface is 
just pleasant to some.  There are some handy elements, such as the "Empty 
Trash" button.  The text explaining the new features of V. 5.0.13 claims that 
with one swipe, the entire Inbox of a Gmail account can be cleaned out.  I 
haven't tested this feature with VoiceOver.

Craig

On 11/8/16, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Is it specifically only to work with Gmail, please?
>
> Carol P - UK
>
>
>
> On 08/11/2016 09:17, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Awesome, I'll have to try it out.
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 11:44 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> New iOS Gmail accessibility is absolutely amazing!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:55 AM Craig Werner >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> It might be of interest to a number of you that the latest 
>>> release of
>>> the Gmail app for iOS devices operates somewhat differently with
>>> VoiceOver than did previous versions, and based on the testing I 
>>> have
>>> done, the app has improved for VoiceOver users.  In earlier 
>>> versions,
>>> if one wanted to delete a message from the message index, one would
>>> have to check a checkbox next to its header information and then 
>>> press
>>> a "Delete" button.  Now, double-tap and holding the button
>>> corresponding to the unwanted message places the app in a "Select"
>>> mode.  The user can then move down the list of messages and simply
>>> double-tap the unwanted ones; the "hold" gesture needs to be 
>>> used only
>>> on the first undesired  message.  Then, once the "delete" list has
>>> been compiled, the "Delete" button can be activated.  There are 
>>> other
>>> ways to get rid of messages, but I don't want to make this message
>>> overly long.  There is also an "Undo" button which evidently allows
>>> the user to take back a number of actions.  I have not tested this
>>> function yet.  Most gratifying is the possibility that the bug which
>>> prevented text editing of the body of a message may have been
>>> squashed, at least if the user is typing on the on-screen 
>>> keyboard.  I
>>> haven't tested it with a Bluetooth keyboard yet.
>>>
>>> Craig
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RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Anna,

That's amazing, I really don't undersand why there isn't a DialPad, definitely 
something I will have to submit as feedback/a feature request.
I did check under Settings > Phone and for "Calls on other devices" it says 
"When Nearby". If I double tap on that it says that it is turned on and that is 
the only setting I see.
Unfortunately Telus, one of the 3 big carriers in Canada, for some reason does 
not yet offer Wi-Fi calling, hopefully this will change soon.

I wonder why my Watch didn't ring then yesterday since my phone was connected 
to my store's WiFi network and according to what you said this means my watch 
should also be connected.

Another oddity I noticed is that when I open the Messages app I saw all my 
messages, but a few of the iMessage threads I had deleted on my phone, but they 
still showed up on the watch. Shouldn't they go away on the watch if they are 
deleted on the phone.

Thanks,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:31 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

Hi Sieghard,

No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi settings 
either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join any network 
that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages and 
notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and watch 
are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your watch if you 
have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks allow Wi-Fi 
calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and Calls on 
Other Devices should both be turned on.

I hope that's of some help.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),

I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will fix 
this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to anywhere 
you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a certain 
department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and medium sized 
companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many businesses 
nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some numbers. It’s 
not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for entering your 
passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the phone app without 
the Asterisk and Number keys.

Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was too 
late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.

Regards,
Sieghard


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which phones have offline dictation

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello,

I'm working on the next edition of getting started with the iPhone, and I could 
use a bit of help. I believe I'm right that the 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and the 7 
phones all have the following features that other phones don't: Raise to Wake, 
Hey Siri works when the phone is on battery, and offline dictation. Is that 
right?

Thanks a lot,
Anna

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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Richard,

You can start a Speak Screen in the Kindle app by asking Siri to speak the 
screen. Since the app doesn't automatically scroll to the next page when the 
screen is locked, however, it's not all that useful.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 8, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Garry and All,
> When Kindle changed their app so the status bar no longer shows while you are 
> in the app, Speak Screen went away.
> It only works in apps where the status bar shows.
> Perhaps eMailing the developer would be a good idea.
> Personally, I now convert Kindle books to ePub and read them in Voice Dream 
> Reader.
> Codex is a nice free piece of software for doing this.
> I have a link to it on my web site: www.turner42.com 
> 
> 
> Hth,
> Richard
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Here is the link to Kindle in the app store. It works on all iPhones.
>> Kindle – Read eBooks, Magazines & Textbooks by AMZN Mobile LLC
>> https://appsto.re/us/Lmrcs.i 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Connie Mohney > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Harry,
>>> If you don't mind my asking, does  kindle only come with 7 plus phones?  
>>> I'm asking because I just went into the  app store and hit searchtyped in 
>>> kindle and   it didn't bring up Kindle.  Thank you for answering my 
>>> question.
>>> Connie
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:21 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?
>>> 
>>> no.
>>> 
>>> On 11/8/2016 7:04 PM, Harry Bell wrote:
 I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I 
 open a Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to 
 speak screen, all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the 
 power button: after this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end 
 of the current page and then stops dead. Have I misunderstood something? 
 Harry
 
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Re: Voiceover draining battery since 10.1 update

[Sherrie]

I have had some occasional battery issues with my 6S in the last month or so 
but have not gone to 10.1.1 yet.

I would wake up with a 100% charge and then get the low battery before noon 
even when I was not using the phone at all. Then I would use the battery case 
to recharge and that got used up and I had to actually plug the phone in. It 
did this for two days this weekend before I thought to reboot. Fixed the 
problem for now. I imagine that is what probably fixed it a month ago but I 
wasn’t paying attention to why it started working normally.
I really need to remember that rebooting can fix many problems!
Sherrie Gosling


From: Chip Orange 
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

It sounded like a battery issue to me (their performance is degraded at colder 
temperatures, but it sounds like you had a defective one).

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

 

There will always be crashes, I recently went to the Apple Store in Calgary 
because my iPhone 6S Plus shut down several times when I was out and about and 
when it was a bit colder outside. I keep the iPhone against my body so even 
when it’s cold and I pull it out the phone is warm and while I could see it 
shutting off when it’s -30 outside and I keep it out for a longer period of 
time, it was not even 0 (or 32 as you americans would say). It was a few 
degrees above 0, so around the mid to high 30’s) and whenever I restarted the 
phone I would barely put in my PIN when it shut down again. Anyhow, I had 
iPhones since the 4S in 2010 and none of them has ever done this so I assumed 
it was maybe a faulty sensor inside the phone. The girl at the Apple Store ran 
the full diagnostic and said she could see multiple crashes and suggested that 
it is a good idea to reboot iPhones in general maybe once a week as this helps 
to avoid certain issues which may arise when a phone has not been rebooted for 
a very long time. Anyhow, I then upgraded to iOS 10.1.1 and the problem of my 
phone shutting down persisted so I went back to the Apple Store, explained the 
issue to a different Apple Genious and he agreed that this sounded strange and 
since I have Apple Care Plus he replaced my phone. Since this was a warranty 
replacement and not an accidental damage replacement this didn’t cost me a dime 
except of course the time it took to get my new phone going again. Since it’s 
been some time when I set up as a new phone I decided to do this. Calgary is 
not home so I had brought my laptop and did it at the Apple Store, a very nice 
guy at the “setup table” helped me throughout the process since I had all my 
apps on my laptop with the latest updates and thought it would be faster to 
sync them than to redownload them one by one. Since of course this is not 
currently possible with Windows, Jaws and iTunes, the Apple guy checked off all 
the apps I wanted and then got the sync going.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

 

Hello Chip,

 

I already did the update and it caused the same problem again. I sent the crash 
log to Apple.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

  On 3 Nov 2016, at 18:09, Chip Orange  wrote:

   

  Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1

   

  Chip

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

   

  There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to 
see if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

   

  Chip

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
  Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

   

  I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.

  The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

   

  Cheers,

   

  Anne

   

   

   

On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy  
wrote:

 

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This 
type of behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how 
about if 

Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Richard Turner]

Hi Garry and All,
When Kindle changed their app so the status bar no longer shows while you are 
in the app, Speak Screen went away.
It only works in apps where the status bar shows.
Perhaps eMailing the developer would be a good idea.
Personally, I now convert Kindle books to ePub and read them in Voice Dream 
Reader.
Codex is a nice free piece of software for doing this.
I have a link to it on my web site: www.turner42.com

Hth,
Richard

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:


Here is the link to Kindle in the app store. It works on all iPhones.
Kindle - Read eBooks, Magazines & Textbooks by AMZN Mobile LLC
https://appsto.re/us/Lmrcs.i


(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Connie Mohney 
> wrote:

Harry,
If you don't mind my asking, does  kindle only come with 7 plus phones?  I'm 
asking because I just went into the  app store and hit searchtyped in kindle 
and   it didn't bring up Kindle.  Thank you for answering my question.
Connie

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no.

On 11/8/2016 7:04 PM, Harry Bell wrote:
I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I open a 
Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to speak screen, 
all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the power button: after 
this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of the current page and 
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Re: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Carol.

The Gmail app works specifically with Google accounts, and I can't see
a way to force it out of its comfort zone.  As to why someone would
want to use it, one might not need the power and data sharing
capabilities of Outlook.  One might want to keep Gmail activity very
separate from the activity on there accounts.  If for some reason a
user had to delete the Apple iOS mail account and had to start over,
and if one of the accounts under the app was a POP3, all messages
might be lost, including those on the Gmail account.  Perhaps the
interface is just pleasant to some.  There are some handy elements,
such as the "Empty Trash" button.  The text explaining the new
features of V. 5.0.13 claims that with one swipe, the entire Inbox of
a Gmail account can be cleaned out.  I haven't tested this feature
with VoiceOver.

Craig

On 11/8/16, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Is it specifically only to work with Gmail, please?
>
> Carol P - UK
>
>
>
> On 08/11/2016 09:17, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Awesome, I'll have to try it out.
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 11:44 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> New iOS Gmail accessibility is absolutely amazing!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:55 AM Craig Werner >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> It might be of interest to a number of you that the latest
>>> release of
>>> the Gmail app for iOS devices operates somewhat differently with
>>> VoiceOver than did previous versions, and based on the testing I
>>> have
>>> done, the app has improved for VoiceOver users.  In earlier
>>> versions,
>>> if one wanted to delete a message from the message index, one would
>>> have to check a checkbox next to its header information and then
>>> press
>>> a "Delete" button.  Now, double-tap and holding the button
>>> corresponding to the unwanted message places the app in a "Select"
>>> mode.  The user can then move down the list of messages and simply
>>> double-tap the unwanted ones; the "hold" gesture needs to be used
>>> only
>>> on the first undesired  message.  Then, once the "delete" list has
>>> been compiled, the "Delete" button can be activated.  There are
>>> other
>>> ways to get rid of messages, but I don't want to make this message
>>> overly long.  There is also an "Undo" button which evidently allows
>>> the user to take back a number of actions.  I have not tested this
>>> function yet.  Most gratifying is the possibility that the bug which
>>> prevented text editing of the body of a message may have been
>>> squashed, at least if the user is typing on the on-screen
>>> keyboard.  I
>>> haven't tested it with a Bluetooth keyboard yet.
>>>
>>> Craig
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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Richard Turner]

Here is the link to Kindle in the app store. It works on all iPhones.
Kindle - Read eBooks, Magazines & Textbooks by AMZN Mobile LLC
https://appsto.re/us/Lmrcs.i


(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

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> wrote:

Harry,
If you don't mind my asking, does  kindle only come with 7 plus phones?  I'm 
asking because I just went into the  app store and hit searchtyped in kindle 
and   it didn't bring up Kindle.  Thank you for answering my question.
Connie

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no.

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I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I open a 
Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to speak screen, 
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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Harry Bell]

Thanks for all that research, Anna! I also hope a solution can be found. Harry

> On 8 Nov 2016, at 20:18, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Harry and all,
> 
> I can't find any way to make the screen scrol while Speak Screen is active in 
> Kindle books if the screen is locked. This is too bad because it used to be a 
> nice way to read Kindle books.
> 
> The screen will scroll while reading iBooks with Speak Screen and the screen 
> locked. However, When I tried it, VoiceOver would come on and say something 
> when the page scrolled. So I guess I would have to mute speech when using 
> this feature. I also noticed that when using Speak screen, there are no 
> playback controls on the lock screen, as I'm pretty sure there used to be. 
> The Magic Tap works, so at least it's easy to stop the speaking.
> 
> At one point, though, I got into a situation where doing the magic tap would 
> alternate between reading my book and playing my previous podcast. The only 
> way I could stop this was to ask Siri to stop speaking the screen.
> 
> In short, Speak Screen doesn't seem to be as useful as it was in the past. If 
> anyone is finding it useful, please let us know how you're using it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I 
>> open a Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to 
>> speak screen, all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the 
>> power button: after this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of 
>> the current page and then stops dead. Have I misunderstood something? Harry
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a media live reader

[Gordon]

So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering if 
anyone out here has it and how well it works? Also is there a podcast of 
audio description of this app in use?


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What to do about Decreased Speaker Volume

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
I was baking lemon bars yesterday morning and inadvertently got some
filling on the back of my iPodTouch--it looked like just a little on
the middle of the right hand side. I cleaned it off as best I could
with a damp paper towel that had general cleaning stuff on it.

My speaker volume is significantly decreased. Next time I'll be sure
to cover my iPod with a Ziploc bag BEFORE starting to bake.

I checked the volume settings and everything looks normal. Is there
anything else I can do?

Thanks,
Dani, a little sadder, but wiser

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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Harry and all,

I can't find any way to make the screen scrol while Speak Screen is active in 
Kindle books if the screen is locked. This is too bad because it used to be a 
nice way to read Kindle books.

The screen will scroll while reading iBooks with Speak Screen and the screen 
locked. However, When I tried it, VoiceOver would come on and say something 
when the page scrolled. So I guess I would have to mute speech when using this 
feature. I also noticed that when using Speak screen, there are no playback 
controls on the lock screen, as I'm pretty sure there used to be. The Magic Tap 
works, so at least it's easy to stop the speaking.

At one point, though, I got into a situation where doing the magic tap would 
alternate between reading my book and playing my previous podcast. The only way 
I could stop this was to ask Siri to stop speaking the screen.

In short, Speak Screen doesn't seem to be as useful as it was in the past. If 
anyone is finding it useful, please let us know how you're using it.

Cheers,
Anna



> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
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> I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I open 
> a Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to speak 
> screen, all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the power 
> button: after this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of the 
> current page and then stops dead. Have I misunderstood something? Harry
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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Harry and all,

I just tried this and had the same experience; the phone didn't turn the page 
when I got to the end. I know it used to do this. I'll try going through the 
Kindle settings to see if I can find anything that might help.

Best,
Anna



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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Harry Bell]

I've had the kindle app for years on my iPhone 5s before my new phone, though I 
hadn't tried speak screen. Harry

> On 8 Nov 2016, at 19:36, Connie Mohney  wrote:
> 
> Harry,
> If you don't mind my asking, does  kindle only come with 7 plus phones?  I'm 
> asking because I just went into the  app store and hit searchtyped in kindle 
> and   it didn't bring up Kindle.  Thank you for answering my question.
> Connie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shaf Patel
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?
> 
> no.
> 
>> On 11/8/2016 7:04 PM, Harry Bell wrote:
>> I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I 
>> open a Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to 
>> speak screen, all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the 
>> power button: after this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of 
>> the current page and then stops dead. Have I misunderstood something? Harry
>> 
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RE: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Connie Mohney]

Harry,
If you don't mind my asking, does  kindle only come with 7 plus phones?  I'm 
asking because I just went into the  app store and hit searchtyped in kindle 
and   it didn't bring up Kindle.  Thank you for answering my question.
Connie

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Subject: Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

no.

On 11/8/2016 7:04 PM, Harry Bell wrote:
> I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I open 
> a Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to speak 
> screen, all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the power 
> button: after this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of the 
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Re: Bad iOS 10 X download how can I fix it?

[christopher hallsworth]

Awesome! Smile. At least that potentially critical operation is not broken in 
terms of accessibility on Windows.
> On 7 Nov 2016, at 19:50, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> 
> As Christopher said, doing this via iTunes is the best way. I would do an 
> encrypted backup and then select the Restore button, this will download the 
> latest version of iOS to your computer and then restore your iPhone, when 
> it's done you'll be asked if you want to set up as a new phone or restore 
> either from an iCloud or iTunes backup.
> While there are definite accessibility issues with Jaws and iTunes, there is 
> no issue whatsoever when it comes to doing an encrypted backup or upgrading 
> or restoring via iTunes. When your phone is connected, just find the "iPhone" 
> button, then tab until you find the appropriate buttons like Update, Restore, 
> Backup etc., in order to do an encrypted backup you will have to check the 
> little checkbox and then enter and re-enter a password. Make sure you use one 
> you'll remember, this is not anywhere in the cloud so I don't usually pick a 
> very long and complicated password, you could even do a 4-number PinN. 
> If you don't want to do a restore and haven't installed the latest update, 
> 10.1.1, you could simply try to upgrade via iTunes, in fact, you might want 
> to try it first and see if this fixes your issues, you can always do a 
> restore later and if you have already downloaded iOS 10.1.1 to do the update 
> this should be on your computer for a restore also.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 10:21 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Bad iOS 10 X download how can I fix it?
> 
> If it's a bad install, do it through iTunes. I do not remember the process 
> until I come to it myself, and since I am a full time mac user I'm not sure 
> on the latest Windows and iTunes accessibility other than it's *bad*.
>> On 7 Nov 2016, at 18:15, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
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>> 
>> hi to everyone,
>> I have iOS 10.01 on my iPhone 6 but it is a bad download. lots of things are 
>> going wrong and Daniel is stuck on the compressed voice. Reading mail is a 
>> nightmare et cetera. obviously, I need to re-install the latest iOS. can 
>> anyone advise me as to the best method to do this?
>> 
>> thanks in advance, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Todd Patkus]

Shawn,

You stat3ed that it is my opinion of the beta.  Not so.  It is simple fact.  
Beta is simply nothing.  I never bother them knowing new versions will always 
have bugs.  If you, Shawn, think more, you will understand why I said so.  I am 
not alone.  Rich is one of them!

Shawn, please relax.  You sound as if you were blunting at me saying it is my 
opinion.  I was simply explaining to the folks here.

Just simmer down.

Thanks.

Todd

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:02 AM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Hi. Best to let the moderators deal with the offenders of the NDA because 
they're also offending the rules of this list. So let Mark or Cara handle it. 
Todd, that's your opinion about the betas, but I have hope that Apple will 
address some of our issues. Not right away but when they can. As for using a 
beta on a primary or secondary device, I only have an iPhone so I use beta 
software on it. Same with my Mac and Sierra. If I had the money, maybe I'd use 
a secondary device, but for now I don't mind the bugs to not use beta software 
on my primary devices.

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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:58 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad Air
> Hi, if you read my message carefully enough, though, I did write, best to say 
> nothing. But should you unintentionally say something, they won't personally 
> hunt you down for 1 accident, and charge you. 
>> On 8 Nov 2016, at 12:52 pm, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be right, but if you read the NDA, you see that you can discuss any 
>> information Apple has already made public ally available. Also, just because 
>> someone else violates their NDA doesn't make it OK for someone else too. 
>> Again, each person needs to decide for themselves what they're comfortable 
>> with after looking at the NDA and agreeing to it. Even if I knew Apple 
>> wasn't going to take any action if I violated the NDA, I'd still be cautious 
>> about going against something I agreed to.
>> 
>>> On 08/11/16 01:31, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Best to say nothing, but considering youtube has a what's new in 
>>> 10.2 video, I can't see much would happen.
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 22:41:49 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>>> 
>>> I don't know if the NDA is a big deal as far as Apple is concerned 
>>> or how much trouble you could get into from Apple, but I do know 
>>> Apple says the following at 
>>> https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal
>>> 
>>> 5. Definition of Confidential Information.  You agree that the
>>> Pre-Release Software and any information concerning the Pre-Release 
>>> Software (including its nature and existence, features, 
>>> functionality, and screen shots), the Seeding Tools, and any other 
>>> information disclosed by Apple to you in connection with the Beta 
>>> Program will be considered and referred to in this Agreement as 
>>> "Confidential Information."
>>> 
>>> 6. Nonuse and Nondisclosure of Confidential Information.  Except as
>>> expressly permitted in this Section 6, you agree that you will not 
>>> disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential 
>>> Information to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the 
>>> same individual seed as you, or as otherwise expressly permitted or 
>>> agreed to in writing by Apple.  You further agree to take reasonable 
>>> precautions to prevent any unauthorized use, disclosure, 
>>> publication, or dissemination of Confidential Information, including 
>>> preventing access to or display of
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Re: Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Shaf Patel]

no.

On 11/8/2016 7:04 PM, Harry Bell wrote:
> I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I open 
> a Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to speak 
> screen, all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the power 
> button: after this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of the 
> current page and then stops dead. Have I misunderstood something? Harry
> 

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Speak screen in Kindle app?

[Harry Bell]

I'm trying to use Speak Screen on my iPhone 7 Plus with latest iOS. If I open a 
Kindle book and then swipe down with two fingers or tell Siri to speak screen, 
all goes well until I turn off the screen with a tap on the power button: after 
this the iPhone carries on reading only until the end of the current page and 
then stops dead. Have I misunderstood something? Harry

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Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

Personally, if I feel the beta is "stable enough" on my secondary devices, I 
will put it on my primary. But until then, I keep the primary device on the 
working version. For example, in the iOS 10 beta cycle, I put it on my primary 
device when it was beta 3 or 4.
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 04:27, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I'm not beta testing IOS at the moment, but when I was running IOS 9, I ended 
> up beta testing IOS 9 because I ran into a few serious issues, such as 
> needing to restart the phone every time I made a phone call or restarting IOS 
> every time I replied to an email message. I didn't figure the beta could make 
> things any worse, and I figured I'd get my hands on some fixes sooner running 
> the beta.
> 
> My own advice would be to avoid running a beta on your primary device, but 
> that's something only each person can decide for themselves. This will depend 
> a lot on how each person uses their phone and how much they could put up with 
> potentially show stopping issues found in the beta or it's accessibility.
> 
> On 07/11/16 21:21, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Hi Robin,
>> 
>> I guess whatever floats your boat is fine, I personally don't agree with 
>> Kevin's thoughts since especially if you are beta testing a completely new 
>> version of iOS and you jump on the band wagon with public beta 1 using your 
>> main device could mean you are experiencing a major disruption of service. I 
>> have one iPhone as I personally don't see the need to have a second one or 
>> to have an iPad or iPod Touch so if something happened again as when iOS 9 
>> was released where it was basically impossible to answer phone calls in many 
>> situations that would be a real deal breaker for me with one device which I 
>> rely on for personal and business use. It is up to you to decide what you 
>> are willing to put up with.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Robin Frost
>> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 6:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I wasn't as worried about Apple as I was violating list policies about such 
>> things which is why I was careful to clarify the scope of my question from 
>> the outset (smile).
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Shaf Patel
>> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:08 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>> 
>> Firstly, the NDA isn't a big deal - you won't get in trouble by Apple for 
>> discussing the beta publicly. Secondly, I use it on my main device because I 
>> don't depend on my phone enough to worry about many bugs.
>> 
>> On 11/8/2016 12:12 AM, Robin Frost wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> No worries I’m not asking anything that’d cause anyone to violate a
>>> non-disclosure agreement at all. I’m merely wondering for those who
>>> participate in Apple’s beta testing of iOS how many do so on their
>>> main iDevice versus doing so on a secondary device. Right now I’ve
>>> obtained a secondary device for beta testing purposes but still weigh
>>> sending it back and merely testing on my main device. thus I was
>>> curious what others chose and why.
>>> See nothing harmful or controversial there. Thanks for indulging my
>>> curiosity.
>>> Robin
>>> 
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Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Shaf Patel]

Proof that the "NDA" doesn't need to be followed and means nothing:
MacRumors covers beta releases, and they are a part of the press invited
to Apple keynote events. Feel free to discuss betas.

What’s New in iOS 10.2 Beta 2: SOS Feature, Music Changes and New ‘TV’
App http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/07/whats-new-in-ios-10-2-beta-2/

iOS 10.2 Beta 2 Includes New ‘TV’ App for Discovering Content
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/07/ios-10-2-includes-new-tv-app/

Apple Seeds Second Beta of tvOS 10.1 to Developers With Single Sign-On
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/07/apple-seeds-tvos-10-1-beta-2-to-developers/

Apple Seeds Second Beta of watchOS 3.1.1 to Developers
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/07/apple-seeds-watchos-3-1-1-beta-2-to-developers/
Apple Seeds Second Beta of iOS 10.2 to Developers
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/07/apple-seeds-ios-10-2-beta-2-to-developers/


On 11/8/2016 4:41 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I don't know if the NDA is a big deal as far as Apple is concerned or
> how much trouble you could get into from Apple, but I do know Apple says
> the following at https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal
> 
> 5. Definition of Confidential Information.  You agree that the
> Pre-Release Software and any information concerning the Pre-Release
> Software (including its nature and existence, features, functionality,
> and screen shots), the Seeding Tools, and any other information
> disclosed by Apple to you in connection with the Beta Program will be
> considered and referred to in this Agreement as “Confidential Information.”
> 
> 6. Nonuse and Nondisclosure of Confidential Information.  Except as
> expressly permitted in this Section 6, you agree that you will not
> disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential Information
> to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the same individual
> seed as you, or as otherwise expressly permitted or agreed to in writing
> by Apple.  You further agree to take reasonable precautions to prevent
> any unauthorized use, disclosure, publication, or dissemination of
> Confidential Information, including preventing access to or display of
> the Apple Software to third parties.  You agree to use the Confidential
> Information solely for the permitted uses as set forth in this
> Agreement.  You agree not to use Confidential Information otherwise for
> your own or any third party’s benefit without the prior written approval
> of an authorized representative of Apple in each instance.  You hereby
> acknowledge that unauthorized disclosure or use of Confidential
> Information could cause irreparable harm and significant injury to Apple
> that may be difficult to ascertain.  Accordingly, you agree that Apple
> will have the right to seek immediate injunctive relief to enforce
> obligations under this Agreement in addition to any other rights and
> remedies it may have.
> 
> I'm not here to tell anyone what to do or not do with the beta and the
> NDA, but I would definitely encourage anyone to read the NDA before they
> agree to it and join the beta and make up your own mind as to what Apple
> wants you to do and not do. I definitely would not just take the word of
> Shaf Patel on this list.
> 
> On 07/11/16 20:55, Robin Frost wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I wasn't as worried about Apple as I was violating list policies about
>> such things which is why I was careful to clarify the scope of my
>> question from the outset (smile).
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Shaf Patel
>> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:08 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>>
>> Firstly, the NDA isn't a big deal - you won't get in trouble by Apple
>> for discussing the beta publicly. Secondly, I use it on my main device
>> because I don't depend on my phone enough to worry about many bugs.
>>
>> On 11/8/2016 12:12 AM, Robin Frost wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> No worries I’m not asking anything that’d cause anyone to violate a
>>> non-disclosure agreement at all. I’m merely wondering for those who
>>> participate in Apple’s beta testing of iOS how many do so on their main
>>> iDevice versus doing so on a secondary device. Right now I’ve obtained a
>>> secondary device for beta testing purposes but still weigh sending it
>>> back and merely testing on my main device. thus I was curious what
>>> others chose and why.
>>> See nothing harmful or controversial there. Thanks for indulging my
>>> curiosity.
>>> Robin
>>>
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Re: How many apps/folders on a screen - am I becoming senile?

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Anna,

Thank you oh so much! I thought there was room for one more row, but didn't 
have anything there. Yes there are 6 rows on my iPhone 7. 

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi

> On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenny and Sieghard,
> 
> I have 6 rows on my iPhone 7. However, if I were to set the display to 
> Zoomed, everything would be slightly larger, and there would only be room for 
> five rows. To set this, go to Settings/Display & Brightness/Display Zoom. You 
> can choose Standard or Zoomed view.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Siegard,
>> 
>> I only have 5 rows plus the row in the dock. Not sure if it is different on 
>> the pluses. I don't remember to be honest. I have the 7 now. 
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>>  
>>> My iPhone 6S Plus was recently replaced on under Apple Care Plus warranty. 
>>> I decided to set up the replacement phone as a new phone instead of 
>>> restoring the backup of my old 6S Plus just because it’s been some time 
>>> since I had done this and I thought it might boost the performance a bit. 
>>> Anyhow, as we probably all experience, we sometimes download apps to try 
>>> and then find they end up in a folder somewhere or on the last home screen 
>>> where they rarely get used so I only put back the apps I know I am using 
>>> frequently thinking I can redownload other apps as needed. Most users of 
>>> course will put the top apps on the first home screen for quick and easy 
>>> access so I put 5 rows of 4 apps on my first home screen and of course I 
>>> have my 4 apps in the dock. Then I installed a couple of apps yesterday and 
>>> while they all ended up on the second home screen (page 3 as Apple counts 
>>> since page 1 now is the Today screen) I suddenly realized I had the 
>>> Facetime app on my first home page in row 6. I rarely use the Facetime app 
>>> since most of my Facetime calls are made to people in my contact list so I 
>>> don’t have to manually enter somebody’s phone number or email but in any 
>>> case, I either must be getting senile or I just forgot that one can have 6 
>>> rows of 4 apps + the dock. I am trying to remember how many rows I had on 
>>> my previous phone and thought it was only 5 as well. Can somebody enlighten 
>>> me on this? Has Apple somehow added a sixth row with iOS 10.1 or did I just 
>>> forget that I always had 6 rows of apps on my first home screen?
>>> I just did a Google search and found a nice article on Lifewire.com which 
>>> lists an overview table of how many screens and folders (apps) one can have 
>>> on the various size iPhone models and also how many apps can be in a folder 
>>> etc. According to this I am becoming senile as it mentions 24 folders (same 
>>> for apps of course) + 4 folders/apps for the dock for both the 5.5 inch and 
>>> 4.7 inch iPhones. Here is the article:
>>>  
>>> https://www.lifewire.com/how-many-apps-allowed-iphone-2000752
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>  
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Re: How many apps/folders on a screen - am I becoming senile?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Jenny and Sieghard,

I have 6 rows on my iPhone 7. However, if I were to set the display to Zoomed, 
everything would be slightly larger, and there would only be room for five 
rows. To set this, go to Settings/Display & Brightness/Display Zoom. You can 
choose Standard or Zoomed view.

HTH,
Anna


> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Siegard,
> 
> I only have 5 rows plus the row in the dock. Not sure if it is different on 
> the pluses. I don't remember to be honest. I have the 7 now. 
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> My iPhone 6S Plus was recently replaced on under Apple Care Plus warranty. I 
>> decided to set up the replacement phone as a new phone instead of restoring 
>> the backup of my old 6S Plus just because it’s been some time since I had 
>> done this and I thought it might boost the performance a bit. Anyhow, as we 
>> probably all experience, we sometimes download apps to try and then find 
>> they end up in a folder somewhere or on the last home screen where they 
>> rarely get used so I only put back the apps I know I am using frequently 
>> thinking I can redownload other apps as needed. Most users of course will 
>> put the top apps on the first home screen for quick and easy access so I put 
>> 5 rows of 4 apps on my first home screen and of course I have my 4 apps in 
>> the dock. Then I installed a couple of apps yesterday and while they all 
>> ended up on the second home screen (page 3 as Apple counts since page 1 now 
>> is the Today screen) I suddenly realized I had the Facetime app on my first 
>> home page in row 6. I rarely use the Facetime app since most of my Facetime 
>> calls are made to people in my contact list so I don’t have to manually 
>> enter somebody’s phone number or email but in any case, I either must be 
>> getting senile or I just forgot that one can have 6 rows of 4 apps + the 
>> dock. I am trying to remember how many rows I had on my previous phone and 
>> thought it was only 5 as well. Can somebody enlighten me on this? Has Apple 
>> somehow added a sixth row with iOS 10.1 or did I just forget that I always 
>> had 6 rows of apps on my first home screen?
>> I just did a Google search and found a nice article on Lifewire.com 
>>  which lists an overview table of how many screens and 
>> folders (apps) one can have on the various size iPhone models and also how 
>> many apps can be in a folder etc. According to this I am becoming senile as 
>> it mentions 24 folders (same for apps of course) + 4 folders/apps for the 
>> dock for both the 5.5 inch and 4.7 inch iPhones. Here is the article:
>>  
>> https://www.lifewire.com/how-many-apps-allowed-iphone-2000752 
>> 
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
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RE: after-shocks headphones cord and recents in phone app

[Rizzino, Bonnie]

The aftershokz do use a standard micro-usb cable.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:siegh...@live.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: after-shocks headphones cord and recents in phone app

Hi Reggie,

No, if an entry in the Recent calls area has been deleted it is gone. As for 
the cord, do you mean a charging cord? If so check with Aftershokz, but many 
companies use a standard micro USB cable for charging and you can pick those up 
anywhere at Best Buy, Walmart, in the electronics section of most drug stores, 
Staples and many more.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: after-shocks headphones cord and recents in phone app

Have 2 questions.

1. Is there any way to restore recents in the phone app if accidentally deleted?
2. Can I get a replacement cord for the after-shocks headphones and what am I 
looking for. The Apple cord does not work.

Thanks for your help.



Reggie and Lex

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Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Sieghard,

No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi settings 
either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join any network 
that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages and 
notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and watch 
are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your watch if you 
have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks allow Wi-Fi 
calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and Calls on 
Other Devices should both be turned on.

I hope that's of some help.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),
>  
> I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
> DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will 
> fix this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to 
> anywhere you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a 
> certain department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and 
> medium sized companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many 
> businesses nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some 
> numbers. It’s not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for 
> entering your passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the 
> phone app without the Asterisk and Number keys.
>  
> Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
> anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
> retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
> the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
> ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was 
> too late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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Re: How many apps/folders on a screen - am I becoming senile?

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Siegard,

I only have 5 rows plus the row in the dock. Not sure if it is different on the 
pluses. I don't remember to be honest. I have the 7 now. 

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> My iPhone 6S Plus was recently replaced on under Apple Care Plus warranty. I 
> decided to set up the replacement phone as a new phone instead of restoring 
> the backup of my old 6S Plus just because it’s been some time since I had 
> done this and I thought it might boost the performance a bit. Anyhow, as we 
> probably all experience, we sometimes download apps to try and then find they 
> end up in a folder somewhere or on the last home screen where they rarely get 
> used so I only put back the apps I know I am using frequently thinking I can 
> redownload other apps as needed. Most users of course will put the top apps 
> on the first home screen for quick and easy access so I put 5 rows of 4 apps 
> on my first home screen and of course I have my 4 apps in the dock. Then I 
> installed a couple of apps yesterday and while they all ended up on the 
> second home screen (page 3 as Apple counts since page 1 now is the Today 
> screen) I suddenly realized I had the Facetime app on my first home page in 
> row 6. I rarely use the Facetime app since most of my Facetime calls are made 
> to people in my contact list so I don’t have to manually enter somebody’s 
> phone number or email but in any case, I either must be getting senile or I 
> just forgot that one can have 6 rows of 4 apps + the dock. I am trying to 
> remember how many rows I had on my previous phone and thought it was only 5 
> as well. Can somebody enlighten me on this? Has Apple somehow added a sixth 
> row with iOS 10.1 or did I just forget that I always had 6 rows of apps on my 
> first home screen?
> I just did a Google search and found a nice article on Lifewire.com which 
> lists an overview table of how many screens and folders (apps) one can have 
> on the various size iPhone models and also how many apps can be in a folder 
> etc. According to this I am becoming senile as it mentions 24 folders (same 
> for apps of course) + 4 folders/apps for the dock for both the 5.5 inch and 
> 4.7 inch iPhones. Here is the article:
>  
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>  
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GPS coordinates on a clock phase

[Fanus]

Hello list
Is it possible to get GPS coordinates as an item on a apple watch clock phase?
Regards
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Phone app on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),

I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will fix 
this because this means you can't use it at all to make phone calls to anywhere 
you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a certain 
department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and medium sized 
companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many businesses 
nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some numbers. It's 
not as if it couldn't be done, after all there is a keypad for entering your 
passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the phone app without 
the Asterisk and Number keys.

Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don't see a WiFi setting 
anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn't 
ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was too 
late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.

Regards,
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Re: Bad iOS 10 X download how can I fix it?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,
This is precisely what I did and it appears to have worked!
Thanks, Sandy Y

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 18:27, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Tried installing 1.01 first, to see what happens? Whether the issues are 
> fixed?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 7, 2016 6:15 pm
> Subject: Bad iOS 10 X download how can I fix it?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> hi to everyone,
>> I have iOS 10.01 on my iPhone 6 but it is a bad download. lots of things are 
>> going wrong and Daniel is stuck on the compressed voice. Reading mail is a 
>> nightmare et cetera. obviously, I need to re-install the latest iOS. can 
>> anyone advise me as to the best method to do this?
>> 
>> thanks in advance, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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RE: after-shocks headphones cord and recents in phone app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Reggie,

No, if an entry in the Recent calls area has been deleted it is gone. As for 
the cord, do you mean a charging cord? If so check with Aftershokz, but many 
companies use a standard micro USB cable for charging and you can pick those up 
anywhere at Best Buy, Walmart, in the electronics section of most drug stores, 
Staples and many more.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: after-shocks headphones cord and recents in phone app

Have 2 questions.

1. Is there any way to restore recents in the phone app if accidentally 
deleted? 
2. Can I get a replacement cord for the after-shocks headphones and what am I 
looking for. The Apple cord does not work.

Thanks for your help.



Reggie and Lex

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RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

It's of course your choice and everybody's choice if they participate in public 
betas or apply to participate in private betas. I do strongly believe, however, 
that beta releases in general are a great opportunity not only to report bugs, 
but also to provide feedback on new features a developer has added or is 
looking to improve even if said features work just fine without bugs. Sonos is 
a good example. For those who don't know Sonos, they make a number of wireless 
music players you can deploy around your home to bring music (or other audio) 
to various rooms. The equipment is controlled with the Sonos app and Sonos has 
a very active private beta community and they release new versions of the app 
which include new features which need to be tested and many Sonos enthusiasts 
love doing this and giving them feedback on how well things work or what needs 
to be improved and also what other features should be added later. There are a 
lot of very capable people out there who as a group can greatly help developers 
because especially when it comes to Android devices, no developer can have all 
the devices that exist in order to test their app on said devices under certain 
conditions. Everybody else does benefit from the final release even if the 
final release still contains bugs and you may think betas are useless and a 
waste of time. Of course it is not for everybody to beta test and that's 
perfectly OK, but I have personally approached developers where I wanted to use 
and app and found it lacked accessibility and in many cases the developers were 
very willing to make improvements which I then beta tested and provided 
feedback.When the app was later released with much better accessibility it of 
course benefited me, but it also benefited all others who then enjoyed the app 
which I helped to make accessible and there are many on this list who have done 
the same with apps they found interesting and useful. The Netatmo Weather 
Station is one example, it was basically useless until I contacted the 
developer after I bought a weather station and found I could not use it. It 
could still use some improvements and after the initial work they did the 
developer has been less enthusiastic to continue, but it is very useable as it 
is now and many others on this list have bought a Netatmo Weather Station and 
are enjoying the fact they can have access to indoor and outdoor temperature, 
indoor CO2 levels and rainfall amounts and wind speed. Sonos again is another 
example, accessibility was sorely lacking and here several others as well as 
myself relentlessly went after Sonos and bugged them until they realized that 
the Sonos system was of great interest to the blind and in around 2011 or 2012 
there was a turning point when the company made acccessibility a priority and 
ever since each release has been accessible and even some features which 
initially were not accessible like TruePlay tuning eventually were made 
accessible.
OK, enough said, hopefully I was able to explain that beta testing, both 
private and public, is of value and that everybody benefit from the many hours 
beta testers spend testing and reporting issues and providing feedback on new 
features. Beyond that everybody is entitled to their opinion and what I wrote 
above explains mine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Chris et al,

I have absolutely no interest or absolutely no need for these stuff.

Apple is not the only one.  Freedom Scientific is one of them.  They like to 
release public Beta annually, but I do not care about them.  These 
stuff--Apple's Beta and FS' Beta--are simply nothing but simply a big waste!  
Beta does not do any good.

Look at bugs still appearing in newer versions.  They do not do enough to first 
check their versions more thoroughly first to ensure the software work 
correctly before releasing them.  Instead, they just enhance new features and 
then, without adequate investigation, send out new versions filled with more 
unwanted bugs to make customers complain!

That is it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 10:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Interestingly enough, here's what Apple says at 
https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal

Please keep in mind that you should not install beta software on production or 
business-critical systems. We strongly recommend installing beta software on a 
secondary system or device, or on a secondary partition on your Mac.

On 07/11/16 18:15, Merv Keck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I chose to beta test on a secondary device. I have an iPad Mini 4 
> 

after-shocks headphones cord and recents in phone app

[regina alvarado]

Have 2 questions.

1. Is there any way to restore recents in the phone app if accidentally 
deleted? 
2. Can I get a replacement cord for the after-shocks headphones and what am I 
looking for. The Apple cord does not work.

Thanks for your help.



Reggie and Lex

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Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. Best to let the moderators deal with the offenders of the NDA because 
they're also offending the rules of this list. So let Mark or Cara handle it. 
Todd, that's your opinion about the betas, but I have hope that Apple will 
address some of our issues. Not right away but when they can. As for using a 
beta on a primary or secondary device, I only have an iPhone so I use beta 
software on it. Same with my Mac and Sierra. If I had the money, maybe I'd use 
a secondary device, but for now I don't mind the bugs to not use beta software 
on my primary devices.

Shawn
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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:58 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad Air
> Hi, if you read my message carefully enough, though, I did write, best to say 
> nothing. But should you unintentionally say something, they won't personally 
> hunt you down for 1 accident, and charge you. 
>> On 8 Nov 2016, at 12:52 pm, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be right, but if you read the NDA, you see that you can discuss any 
>> information Apple has already made public ally available. Also, just because 
>> someone else violates their NDA doesn't make it OK for someone else too. 
>> Again, each person needs to decide for themselves what they're comfortable 
>> with after looking at the NDA and agreeing to it. Even if I knew Apple 
>> wasn't going to take any action if I violated the NDA, I'd still be cautious 
>> about going against something I agreed to.
>> 
>>> On 08/11/16 01:31, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Best to say nothing, but considering youtube has a what's new in 10.2
>>> video, I can't see much would happen.
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 22:41:49 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>>> 
>>> I don't know if the NDA is a big deal as far as Apple is concerned or
>>> how much trouble you could get into from Apple, but I do know Apple says
>>> the following at https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal
>>> 
>>> 5. Definition of Confidential Information.  You agree that the
>>> Pre-Release Software and any information concerning the Pre-Release
>>> Software (including its nature and existence, features, functionality,
>>> and screen shots), the Seeding Tools, and any other information
>>> disclosed by Apple to you in connection with the Beta Program will be
>>> considered and referred to in this Agreement as "Confidential Information."
>>> 
>>> 6. Nonuse and Nondisclosure of Confidential Information.  Except as
>>> expressly permitted in this Section 6, you agree that you will not
>>> disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential Information
>>> to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the same individual
>>> seed as you, or as otherwise expressly permitted or agreed to in writing
>>> by Apple.  You further agree to take reasonable precautions to prevent
>>> any unauthorized use, disclosure, publication, or dissemination of
>>> Confidential Information, including preventing access to or display of
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How many apps/folders on a screen - am I becoming senile?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi List,

My iPhone 6S Plus was recently replaced on under Apple Care Plus warranty. I 
decided to set up the replacement phone as a new phone instead of restoring the 
backup of my old 6S Plus just because it's been some time since I had done this 
and I thought it might boost the performance a bit. Anyhow, as we probably all 
experience, we sometimes download apps to try and then find they end up in a 
folder somewhere or on the last home screen where they rarely get used so I 
only put back the apps I know I am using frequently thinking I can redownload 
other apps as needed. Most users of course will put the top apps on the first 
home screen for quick and easy access so I put 5 rows of 4 apps on my first 
home screen and of course I have my 4 apps in the dock. Then I installed a 
couple of apps yesterday and while they all ended up on the second home screen 
(page 3 as Apple counts since page 1 now is the Today screen) I suddenly 
realized I had the Facetime app on my first home page in row 6. I rarely use 
the Facetime app since most of my Facetime calls are made to people in my 
contact list so I don't have to manually enter somebody's phone number or email 
but in any case, I either must be getting senile or I just forgot that one can 
have 6 rows of 4 apps + the dock. I am trying to remember how many rows I had 
on my previous phone and thought it was only 5 as well. Can somebody enlighten 
me on this? Has Apple somehow added a sixth row with iOS 10.1 or did I just 
forget that I always had 6 rows of apps on my first home screen?
I just did a Google search and found a nice article on Lifewire.com which lists 
an overview table of how many screens and folders (apps) one can have on the 
various size iPhone models and also how many apps can be in a folder etc. 
According to this I am becoming senile as it mentions 24 folders (same for apps 
of course) + 4 folders/apps for the dock for both the 5.5 inch and 4.7 inch 
iPhones. Here is the article:

https://www.lifewire.com/how-many-apps-allowed-iphone-2000752

Regards,
Sieghard

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Audioboom, latest update.

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Just managed to improve things with my iPhone 6 after a bae/faulty update. 
Now, not sure if this is just a coincidence or a lingering problem. I updated 
my Audioboom app the other day and, now, I find it will open, but not respond 
to VO flicks. The screen seems to be blank, don't know if it is really, or if 
it is just VO. Is anyone else experiencing this? 

Thanks, Sandy. 

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Re: I NEED AN APP QUITE URGENTLY, PLEASE!

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Esther, for your clarification.


I may well give it a go some time but have decided for now not to use 
the music someone else has planned because it's really too high and 
difficult for the younger children.



Thanks anyway.


Carol P



On 07/11/2016 01:18, Esther wrote:

Carol and Others,

I think Brett is referring to the Amazing Slow Downer app, which shows up on your 
iPhone/iPad as "Amazing":
• Amazing Slow Downer by Roni Music ($14.99)
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazing-slow-downer/id308998718?mt=8

There's a free, lite trial version that only lets you play one fourth of each 
track:
• Amazing Slow Downer Lite by Roni Music (free)
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazing-slow-downer-lite/id310204778?mt=8

To change the key, use the pitch slider (e.g., switch C to D by moving up two 
semi-tones)

App description follows.
If you're a musician who likes to learn new songs and techniques by listening
to the same piece of music over and over but wish that the music could be
played a little slower, then you'll enjoy Amazing Slow Downer.

You can repeat any section of the music at full speed, slow it down or even
speed it up by changing the speed between 25% (1/4 of original speed) and 200%
(double speed) without changing the pitch!

Change the tuning or musical key? No problem, Amazing Slow Downer handles that
as well.

Setup seamless loops by touching the "Set" buttons during playback.

Amazing Slow Downer is the ideal tool for any musician, transcriber or dancer
wanting to improve their skills.

Important notes:
Cannot play DRM protected files from the iTunes store (m4p and audio book
files).

Cheers,

Esther



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Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[rajmund]

Sent from an iPad Air
Hi, if you read my message carefully enough, though, I did write, best to say 
nothing. But should you unintentionally say something, they won't personally 
hunt you down for 1 accident, and charge you. 
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 12:52 pm, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> You may be right, but if you read the NDA, you see that you can discuss any 
> information Apple has already made public ally available. Also, just because 
> someone else violates their NDA doesn't make it OK for someone else too. 
> Again, each person needs to decide for themselves what they're comfortable 
> with after looking at the NDA and agreeing to it. Even if I knew Apple wasn't 
> going to take any action if I violated the NDA, I'd still be cautious about 
> going against something I agreed to.
> 
>> On 08/11/16 01:31, rajmund wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Best to say nothing, but considering youtube has a what's new in 10.2
>> video, I can't see much would happen.
>> 
>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Christopher Chaltain > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 22:41:49 -0600
>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>> 
>> I don't know if the NDA is a big deal as far as Apple is concerned or
>> how much trouble you could get into from Apple, but I do know Apple says
>> the following at https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal
>> 
>> 5. Definition of Confidential Information.  You agree that the
>> Pre-Release Software and any information concerning the Pre-Release
>> Software (including its nature and existence, features, functionality,
>> and screen shots), the Seeding Tools, and any other information
>> disclosed by Apple to you in connection with the Beta Program will be
>> considered and referred to in this Agreement as "Confidential Information."
>> 
>> 6. Nonuse and Nondisclosure of Confidential Information.  Except as
>> expressly permitted in this Section 6, you agree that you will not
>> disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential Information
>> to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the same individual
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Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Christopher Chaltain]

You may be right, but if you read the NDA, you see that you can discuss 
any information Apple has already made public ally available. Also, just 
because someone else violates their NDA doesn't make it OK for someone 
else too. Again, each person needs to decide for themselves what they're 
comfortable with after looking at the NDA and agreeing to it. Even if I 
knew Apple wasn't going to take any action if I violated the NDA, I'd 
still be cautious about going against something I agreed to.


On 08/11/16 01:31, rajmund wrote:

Hi,
Best to say nothing, but considering youtube has a what's new in 10.2
video, I can't see much would happen.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain 

RE: Notifications Missing on New iPhone 7 was RE: A Couple of Problems

[Ann Byrne]

On our SE's, we get messages if the phone is not enclosed, as in a 
pocket or pouch.  when it's lying on the desk, messages are spoken.

At 12:31 AM 11/8/2016, you wrote:

Hi Esther,

I'm getting my text and notification alert sounds when my iPhone 7 
is locked but Voiceover isn't reading anything. I know with my 
iPhone 6 running the same iOS that Voiceover did read incoming 
messages and notifications received while my phone was locked. I'm 
thinking this must be an iPhone 7 issue since both of my phones were 
running the same iOS and all the same settings. I've written Apple 
Accessibility about this issue.


Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notifications Missing on New iPhone 7 was RE: A Couple 
of Problems


Hi, Alan!

I'm so glad that you finally are receiving all of your 
notifications.  I had also tried turning off all my apps in 
Notifications but it didn't work for me.  Glad it did for you!  Are 
you getting them on the locked screen.  I still am not.


Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> After googling around, it seems to me that getting all app 
notifications across multiple devices might not be attainable. At 
least some of the threads I came across seemed to indicate that.

>
> Since I'm pretty much a one I device kind of guy, I just went 
into my old iPhone 6 and turned off all app notifications. Now they 
are all coming to my new iPhone.

>
> I am experiencing the same issue that Esther originally posted 
about that notifications received while my iPhone 7 is locked 
aren't being read by VoiceOver. Perhaps I'll contact Apple 
Accessibility about that.

>
> Thanks to all who replied on this thread.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Why don't you try to call Apple Accessibility and see if they 
can help or, if you have an Apple Store nearby, stop in and talk to them.

>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alan Lemly

>> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Notifications Missing on New iPhone 7 was RE: A 
Couple of Problems

>>
>> Well, I have two iphones currently with the same name and Apple 
I'd. I went in on my new iPhone 7 as you suggested and turned 
notifications off and back on for every app on my phone. However, 
app notifications are only coming in on my old iPhone 6 and not at 
all on my new iPhone 7. Maybe you can't have two devices with the 
sane name on the sane Apple I'd and get notifications on both of 
them. If you can, I'd love to know how to do it.

>>
>> After I get all my downloaded bard book info loaded on my new 
phone, I'll reset the old phone to clear it and I expect this will 
no longer be an issue.

>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Esther Levegnale 
 wrote:

>>>
>>> Hi, Alan,
>>>
>>> I had to go into the apps to reset the notifications again and 
now I'm getting all of them back.  However, I don't get them on the 
locked screen.  Perhaps you have to go into some of the apps and 
set them up in order to receive notifications again.  I hope this 
will be successful for you.  Good luck.

>>>
>>> Esther L.
>>>
>>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>>
 On Nov 6, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

 Esther and All,

 I'm getting the same issue you experienced with your iPhone 7 
Plus, that is, I'm getting all my notifications on my old iPhone 6 
but nothing on my new iPhone 7 which was restored from an iTunes 
encrypted backup. I went under Settings, Notifications, and drilled 
down into each app on the new phone and turned notifications off 
and back on again but I'm still not getting anything. I didn't have 
your problem with my music as it all came over when I synced with iTunes.


 Can anyone offer any suggestions how I can get the 
notifications on my new iPhone 7? Do I need to turn them off on my 
iPhone 6? I will be resetting and clearing the iPhone 6 in order to 
sell it but that won't be for a few days until I get all my BARD 
Mobile books identified and my reading position noted.


 Thanks in advance.

 Alan Lemly

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

 Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 2:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A Couple of Problems

 Hi, Sieghard!

 Thanks for your response.  I actually am not getting 
notifications at all, and yes, the speak 

Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
and that's exactly why as I said I clarified that my question wasn't of a 
nature asking anyone to reveal anything that fell under its auspices as I am 
aware that speaking of such is against list policy.
I don't always take the time to read the small print of such agreements but 
I'm proud to be able to say I did read this one (smiles).

Take good care.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

I don't know if the NDA is a big deal as far as Apple is concerned or
how much trouble you could get into from Apple, but I do know Apple says
the following at https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal

5. Definition of Confidential Information.  You agree that the
Pre-Release Software and any information concerning the Pre-Release
Software (including its nature and existence, features, functionality,
and screen shots), the Seeding Tools, and any other information
disclosed by Apple to you in connection with the Beta Program will be
considered and referred to in this Agreement as “Confidential Information.”

6. Nonuse and Nondisclosure of Confidential Information.  Except as
expressly permitted in this Section 6, you agree that you will not
disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential Information
to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the same individual
seed as you, or as otherwise expressly permitted or agreed to in writing
by Apple.  You further agree to take reasonable precautions to prevent
any unauthorized use, disclosure, publication, or dissemination of
Confidential Information, including preventing access to or display of
the Apple Software to third parties.  You agree to use the Confidential
Information solely for the permitted uses as set forth in this
Agreement.  You agree not to use Confidential Information otherwise for
your own or any third party’s benefit without the prior written approval
of an authorized representative of Apple in each instance.  You hereby
acknowledge that unauthorized disclosure or use of Confidential
Information could cause irreparable harm and significant injury to Apple
that may be difficult to ascertain.  Accordingly, you agree that Apple
will have the right to seek immediate injunctive relief to enforce
obligations under this Agreement in addition to any other rights and
remedies it may have.

I'm not here to tell anyone what to do or not do with the beta and the
NDA, but I would definitely encourage anyone to read the NDA before they
agree to it and join the beta and make up your own mind as to what Apple
wants you to do and not do. I definitely would not just take the word of
Shaf Patel on this list.

On 07/11/16 20:55, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi,
I wasn't as worried about Apple as I was violating list policies about
such things which is why I was careful to clarify the scope of my
question from the outset (smile).
Robin


-Original Message- From: Shaf Patel
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Firstly, the NDA isn't a big deal - you won't get in trouble by Apple
for discussing the beta publicly. Secondly, I use it on my main device
because I don't depend on my phone enough to worry about many bugs.

On 11/8/2016 12:12 AM, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi,
No worries I’m not asking anything that’d cause anyone to violate a
non-disclosure agreement at all. I’m merely wondering for those who
participate in Apple’s beta testing of iOS how many do so on their main
iDevice versus doing so on a secondary device. Right now I’ve obtained a
secondary device for beta testing purposes but still weigh sending it
back and merely testing on my main device. thus I was curious what
others chose and why.
See nothing harmful or controversial there. Thanks for indulging my
curiosity.
Robin


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Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Yes I had read that which is what inspired the question.  It is quote 
logical that Apple would say that as obviously they aren't providing support 
one wouldn't think should a major calamity happen. Though as evidenced on 
this list by the responses there are some who choose to throw caution to the 
wind and install it on a main device they use for daily productivity and I 
respect that; but I think I'll fall and remain in the camp of those who have 
the means to run it on a secondary device for sanity's sake or what's left 
of it that is (laughs).

Thanks as always to the list for such great responses it's much appreciated.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Interestingly enough, here's what Apple says at
https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal

Please keep in mind that you should not install beta software on
production or business-critical systems. We strongly recommend
installing beta software on a secondary system or device, or on a
secondary partition on your Mac.

On 07/11/16 18:15, Merv Keck wrote:

Hi,

I chose to beta test on a secondary device. I have an iPad Mini 4 which
I beta test with but not my iPhone or my watch or Apple TV for that
matter. Just in case something comes up with the beta that causes
voiceover to do something unexpected I can’t get caught without my
phone. I do not have a land line.



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Robin Frost
*Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2016 7:12 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers



Hi,

No worries I’m not asking anything that’d cause anyone to violate a
non-disclosure agreement at all. I’m merely wondering for those who
participate in Apple’s beta testing of iOS how many do so on their main
iDevice versus doing so on a secondary device. Right now I’ve obtained a
secondary device for beta testing purposes but still weigh sending it
back and merely testing on my main device. thus I was curious what
others chose and why.

See nothing harmful or controversial there. Thanks for indulging my
curiosity.

Robin



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Re: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Is it specifically only to work with Gmail, please?

Carol P - UK



On 08/11/2016 09:17, Devin Prater wrote:

Awesome, I'll have to try it out.


On 11/7/2016 11:44 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

New iOS Gmail accessibility is absolutely amazing!

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:55 AM Craig Werner > wrote:


Hello, everyone.

It might be of interest to a number of you that the latest 
release of

the Gmail app for iOS devices operates somewhat differently with
VoiceOver than did previous versions, and based on the testing I 
have
done, the app has improved for VoiceOver users.  In earlier 
versions,

if one wanted to delete a message from the message index, one would
have to check a checkbox next to its header information and then 
press

a "Delete" button.  Now, double-tap and holding the button
corresponding to the unwanted message places the app in a "Select"
mode.  The user can then move down the list of messages and simply
double-tap the unwanted ones; the "hold" gesture needs to be used 
only

on the first undesired  message.  Then, once the "delete" list has
been compiled, the "Delete" button can be activated.  There are 
other

ways to get rid of messages, but I don't want to make this message
overly long.  There is also an "Undo" button which evidently allows
the user to take back a number of actions.  I have not tested this
function yet.  Most gratifying is the possibility that the bug which
prevented text editing of the body of a message may have been
squashed, at least if the user is typing on the on-screen 
keyboard.  I

haven't tested it with a Bluetooth keyboard yet.

Craig

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Re: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

[Devin Prater]

Awesome, I'll have to try it out.


On 11/7/2016 11:44 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

New iOS Gmail accessibility is absolutely amazing!

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:55 AM Craig Werner > wrote:


Hello, everyone.

It might be of interest to a number of you that the latest release of
the Gmail app for iOS devices operates somewhat differently with
VoiceOver than did previous versions, and based on the testing I have
done, the app has improved for VoiceOver users.  In earlier versions,
if one wanted to delete a message from the message index, one would
have to check a checkbox next to its header information and then press
a "Delete" button.  Now, double-tap and holding the button
corresponding to the unwanted message places the app in a "Select"
mode.  The user can then move down the list of messages and simply
double-tap the unwanted ones; the "hold" gesture needs to be used only
on the first undesired  message.  Then, once the "delete" list has
been compiled, the "Delete" button can be activated.  There are other
ways to get rid of messages, but I don't want to make this message
overly long.  There is also an "Undo" button which evidently allows
the user to take back a number of actions.  I have not tested this
function yet.  Most gratifying is the possibility that the bug which
prevented text editing of the body of a message may have been
squashed, at least if the user is typing on the on-screen keyboard.  I
haven't tested it with a Bluetooth keyboard yet.

Craig

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